Discussion Thread for July 25 – July 31, 2011

Published: July 25th, 2011 at 1:30 am ET


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Published: July 25th, 2011 at 1:30 am ET


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287 comments to Discussion Thread for July 25 – July 31, 2011

  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    Cut nuclear power subsidies instead of making old people live on catfood:

    damn right.

  • Jebus Jebus

    I wish to thank you for cleaning up the spurious URL’s that I was seeing in my logs…Again THANK YOU for ENENEWS!

  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    People’s map of radiation:

    I wonder about the level of readings in the “space” between Nasushiobara and Tokyo, and also along the coastline (Hitachi etc.). In those regions there has been lots of wind and rain recently, but those areas on the map remain untested / unpublished. Does anybody know a source of info for that?

  • Sickputer


    Henry, a musician, blasts Prime Minister Kan as being “tired” all the time, not a strong leader and has slovenly appearance in public (“no tie”). He says Japanese city governments are not doing enough to save electricity…turn on street lights at 3 PM.

  • Sickputer

    Some stats I have been mulling over…Honshu island (Japan’s largest and where Tokyo and Fukushima are located) is about 88,000 square miles (810 miles long). All of the islands of Japan total about 146, 000 square miles or about the size of California.

    The Chernobyl zone or red evacuation zone on Honshu I would now estimate conservatively at about 20 by 30 square miles or about 600 square miles. That’s about the size of the Houston, Texas metroplex.

    That doesn’t sould too terribly significant if you figure that as a percentage that represents about .0068 of the land mass on Honshu island. Less than 1 percent.

    But the same evacuation percentage in the continental United States would mean about 21,000 square square miles or about the size of the entire state of West Virginia.

    That red zone in Japan (which is growing daily) is going to be off limits for longer than the 25 years we have seen so far in Russia at Chernobyl. It will take hundreds of years for the soil to recover and even then there will be hotspots of longer-lived isotopes like plutonium. The Japanese will be unable to clean this soil, water, and air in our lifetime or your children or your grandchildren’s lifetime.

    Financially distressed refugees will go and live there as they may feel they have no other options, but people with any financial means will never venture into that area for habitation again for centuries.

    As the red zone grows the distress will become unbearable for the intelligentia in Japan. The suicide rate which is already skyhigh in Japan will soar. People with financial means will try to relocate to safer regions or leave Japan altogether.

    The next 60 days will be a very trying time for Japan as the radiation particles lofted across the island may get worse and worse and the effects of the radiation accumulate to a critical point. The reactor cores do not have to explode for this to occur…just their hourly emissions will be enough to skew the balance into a deadly game of life or death for tens of millions of Japanese.

    Reporters like myself have been called fearmongerers…but we have yet to be proven false in our forecasts of radiation contamination.

    The proof is as simple as looking at the Live Cam of the nuclear plant:


    My words can not describe it as well as what your own eyes tell you.

    • arclight arclight

      nice post
      “Reporters like myself have been called fearmongerers…but we have yet to be proven false in our forecasts of radiation contamination.”

      never a truer word spoken! keep up the good work! an honest reporter with integrity is much needed in these times!

  • theypoisonus

    Time is short, very sick old dog, no vet available on week-end in this little town , and we are on day 3 of both ends not working well at all , hard on us both ! 🙁

    I ran across this yesterday morning:, but when you go to the Kyoto site, you have to subscibe to see the article 🙁 hope the Kyoto news link shows right here.

    “official count so far has risen to seven power companies that NISA colluded with to fake public support for dangerous MOX plutonium fuel programs. This collusion used these power company’s employees as shills, posing as regular citizens expressing support for approval of the otherwise unpopular MOX programs. This practice becomes even more criminal considering that Fukushima Daiichi Unit 3 at is proving to be a significantly greater threat to public safety due to the MOX fuel installed in it.”

    Kyodo News story on the issue.
    I see it does not show up, but here it is:
    They have since taken the above paragraph down and only have what you see today.

    This is the website for the above paragraph:
    I like this website as they do a weekly review.

    Then, on dog break, I just checked NHK and this is there, probably posted here already.

    “Kan critizies nuke watchdog for manipulation”

    Bottom line, as I am reading quickly, is that now it appears that at least a number of these cos. have had (true) shills in the audiences to ask certain questions so that nuclear would appear safer?? If I didn’t get that right, sorry, but I was reading very fast.

    Hope all are fine.
    and I believe that they do and have for years, poisoned us, whether it is pharma, floride, pesticides, herbacides, fungacides, etc etc etc.hence my name here.
    Take care

    • Sickputer

      Good post…the more information about MOX the better.

      Offtopic…if you are Fukushima-singleminded stop here…

      I had to have one of my dogs euthanized last Monday. Sassy was a sweet old Pekingese that an old friend asked me to keep when she had to go to the nursing home 18 months ago. Sassy lived with my two Aussie miniatures since that time and my friend died 4 months into her nursing home stay. Sassy was nearly blind, deaf, and toothless so her quality of life went downhill and she went to sleep peacefully with the assistance of the vet.

      I empathize with your pen name and your attitudes against modern toxins. I am a coal mine canary for the human race myself as I discovered 45 years ago I was highly allergic to common plastics and styrene foam (coffee cups).

      If I am exposed to leeching plastic from styrene or oral contact with certain plastics my immune system creates massive fever blisters on my lips within minutes. I haven’t drank from a straw in 45 years (sure miss those old paper straws…impossible to get now). Hot coffee from a foam cup is also verboten for me. I order my green paper coffee cups from California by the thousand lot.

      One thing I like to amuse people with is I ask them if they drink Starbucks coffee and they usually say yes. I respond: “Did you know you are drinking gasoline also?” *;-) Not really, but the lining in most paper coffee cups (including Starbucks) is sealed with a petroleum substance to prevent leaking from the seam. My California cups are lined with a corn oil surfactant.

      So if you haave any relatives that have unexplained lip blisters all the time…tell them to reduce their plastic and foam exposure. They might be surprised how quickly they eliminate the problem. I went from having 1 fever blister every month to now maybe one every 3 years. Big difference. I also take certain vitamins and supplements that also help me prevent the herpes simplex in my system from reacting to plastic exposure. Mainly lysine and bioflavonoids and a couple more.

      There was a major study recently that reported on the toxicity of foam dinnerware. I knew the dangers for the past 45 years.

      Great webpage here below…I was thinking about the old Dustin Hoffman movie The Graduate and the career advice he got from the old man: “In one word- plastics!”

      And this person thought that was cute to include in their well-written page about all the latest thoughts on plastic toxins.

      For the past several years I have not drank a soda that has the dangerous plastic lining inside the can…I stick to glass bottles of Mexican Coca Cola!



    • I am sorry your best freinds are not well !

      : |

  • StillJill StillJill

    Theypoisenus, both of my dogs were in and out of the hosp. all April and May,…with the same thing,…both ends,..and it freaks one out to watch!

    I have my dogs on zeolite, and bentonite, apple pectin, lugol’s iodine and essiac tea. They are 11 and 5,..now they act 3 and 4! Took about two weeks. They love ‘medicine time’ now finally. I use a syringe and they wait patiently for their turn. Yucky as it is,….then they get a kick out watching me finish what’s left. I make a real ‘yucky’ face and noise,…and they prance in circles laughing at me!

    • alasanon

      StillJill, I’ve found that dogs love Chlorella tabs and only need one or two for a dosage, if they are small! Our dog LOVES them like a special training treat! 😉 They’re great for natural chelation process…

    • Remeber folks, the dogs will sniff the ground were the nukes fall, strait up the nose !

      : |

      • alasanon

        I saw an article where a young dog in Toronto had rolled in a puddle just outside its home, where rainwater collected near a storm drain on the street…then suddenly died! His skin had burning sores and his kidneys failed… The owner reported that the dog had no prior symptoms or medical conditions… That was back in April. The owner was very sad and shocked.

        Our dog is not on the front lines, but we’re careful not to let him drink outdoors or play in puddles! In fact, he won’t go out from under roof awnings in the rain… Poor little pooch! Ignorance is bliss for him though!

        • alasanon
          We saw the warning High Contamination readings on video here in the rains in Canada !

          • alasanon

            Between the fiscal/economic crisis and nuke crises… poor pets! I also feel bad for ZOO animals!! Those species are SO endangered and the best breeding Zoo in the nation is outdoors in San Diego!! I hope the fallout won’t damage the zoo animals’ DNA, reproduction, or very survival!! That’s so grave. :/

            p.s. I can’t even look at the FOSL site lately…too much of a downer.

    • theypoisonus

      Thanks, she is going on 13(sept.) and we went through front leg removal this last winter, osceosarcoma. I fear it is the cancer again. 🙁
      Even adult diarrhia meds are not stopping it.

      I have resolved I will not have her suffer, I feel the same way about people. Was/am a huge fan of Jack Kavorkian.

      Here in N. Fl. it can’t be the rads, as we have only had some iodine early this spring.

      Appreciate the empathy from all.

      • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

        while you’re here, I wanted to say sorry again for the crazy comments you got the other day for posting those articles for discussion. It made me feel bad. just wanted to let you know.

  • SOEK dosimeter readings today:

    Pleasant Hill, OR, 425 elev.
    House, one-meter height .12 McSv
    Yard, ground level .19
    Shredded vegetation (Japanese knotweed!) .19
    Creek bed (seasonal, drying out) .25

  • StillJill StillJill

    Thanks alasanon,…I just happen to have those–I take them. Way cool–will see if my dogs go for it! The older one has nearly no teeth,…so I may crush hers!

    Thanks,….I’m open to all suggestions! 🙂


    • alasanon

      I can’t believe how much my dog loves them! So funny! He gets excited just to see them! He likes them better than commercial dog treats. I think he’s a happy health-nut pooch! 😉 (he hasn’t shown any symptoms, but I do worry b/c he’s close to the ground, small body mass, etc.) It’s a shame about the nice dogs in Japan!! 🙁 (along w/ everything else!)

      • alasanon

        I have to admit when I saw a video with footage of such nice dogs left behind in the Daiichi evacuation zone, it really got to me! 🙁 Take care!

  • Jebus Jebus

    And another day of warnings from above…


    Hang on people, we all have E.T.ickets for the ride of our lives…

  • Jebus Jebus

    El Hierro Earthquake Swarm Enters Third Week
    By Mark Dunphy – Sun Jul 31, 11:48 pm


    The intensity of earthquakes recorded on the smallest of the Canary Islands, El Hierro, has increased slightly during the last 24 hours. However, the total number of earthquakes recorded daily has lessened since the earthquake swarm initially began on 17 July.

    The total number of tremors recorded during the past two weeks has now exceeded 1,050, according to the Instituto Geografico Nacional (IGN).

    The majority of the earth tremors ranged between 1-2 magnitude, but during the past 24 hours there have been least five tremors measuring in excess of 2.0 magnitude on the Richter Scale. A 2.4 magnitude earthquake was recorded at 4:56 p.m. local time on Sunday (31 July 2011).

    Approximately 50 earth tremors were recorded on Sunday, according to local earthquake monitoring agency Actualidad Volcánica de Canarias (AVCAN). The number is slightly down on the number of tremors recorded on Saturday and significantly less than the 195 earthquakes recorded on 22 July.


    Isn’t this where the volcanic cliff face could shear off causing a tsunami that will reach the east coast of USA?


    Mega-tsunami: Wave of Destruction
    BBC Two 9.30pm 12 October 2000


    Scattered across the world’s oceans are a handful of rare geological time-bombs. Once unleashed they create an extraordinary phenomenon, a gigantic tidal wave, far bigger than any normal tsunami, able to cross oceans and ravage countries on the other side of the world. Only recently have scientists realised the next episode is likely to begin at the Canary Islands, off North Africa, where a wall of water will one day be created which will race across the entire Atlantic ocean at the speed of a jet airliner to devastate the east coast of the United States. America will have been struck by a mega-tsunami.

  • Sickputer

    Possible news of the corium at Unit:


    Samoan website has information (unsubtantiated, but interesting). They talk about the “enigma” in Unit 1 referring to why temperature readings are suddenly very strange at reactor 1!

    Also new pictures of the Unit 4 building support beams.

  • Anthony Anthony

    Japan experiences Black Rain: Fukushima’s radiation contamination spreads globally

    Date: 31 July 2011
    Posted By : Special to The Canadian


    • arclight arclight

      nice qoute fom the gundesman
      “This proves that the American Nuclear Regulatory Commission was correct when it told Americans to evacuate beyond 50 miles and that the Japanese should have done the same.

      An Ex-Secretariat of Japan’s Nuclear Safety Commission blames this contamination on “Black Rain”. Rather than minimize the information the Japanese people receive, Gundersen suggests minimizing their radiation exposure.”

  • Anthony Anthony

    Fukushima: Dr. Leuren Moret accuse Stephen Harper and Barack Obama of genocide

    Date: 31 July 2011
    Posted By : by Veda


  • Anthony Anthony

    Charlotte man works on increasing ease of radiation detection with mobile App

    By: McKinsey Harris

  • TEPCO installs new decontamination unit

    Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, installed new decontamination equipment at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant on Sunday.
    The new equipment, called SARRY, is made by Japanese manufacturers. It consists of 14 cylindrical tanks. Each tank is about 3.5 meters high and 1.4 meter in diameter.
    The equipment is designed to reduce radioactive substances in water, such as …

  • Kan criticizes nuke watchdog for manipulation

    Prime Minister Naoto Kan has criticized Japan’s nuclear regulator for trying to manipulate public opinion on nuclear power.
    Kan attended an energy policy forum on Sunday in Chino, north of Tokyo. He referred to the alleged manipulation of opinion on nuclear energy by the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency.
    The agency allegedly told Chubu Electric Power Company to ensure that…

    • arclight arclight

      hi xdr nice links, liked this
      “The agency allegedly told Chubu Electric Power Company to ensure that some participants at a symposium asked prearranged questions in favor of nuclear power. The event was held 4 years ago in Shizuoka Prefecture, which hosts a nuclear plant.

      Kan said if the allegation is true, it means that the agency sided with the utility to promote nuclear power, although the agency should ensure the safety of nuclear plants for the public.

      Kan likened the agency’s allegation to the scandal of tainted blood products, which he tackled when he was health minister in the mid-1990s.

      In the 1980s, many people, mostly patients with hemophilia, contracted HIV through tainted products because the health ministry allowed drugmakers to sell them even after safer products were developed.

      Kan said the current nuclear administration and system totally lack the ability of responding to nuclear accidents. He put the blame on the realignment of government offices about a decade ago under Prime Minister Ryutaro Hashimoto that created various committees in the Cabinet Office.
      Kan expressed his resolve to address the fundamental reorganization of institutions related to energy policy, and not just the separation of the agency from the economy ministry. He said he will pursue a fundamental reconstruction of the nuclear and energy administration from a position free from any vested interests.

      Sunday, July 31, 2011 22:41 +0900 (JST)”

      • Yes I remember this , “hemophilia, contracted HIV through tainted products” and effort led then !

        “nuclear administration and system totally lack the ability of responding to nuclear accidents.”

        Inept as usual ! I remeber the first news conference after the Melt down there, totally Inept !

        No plan, no safty for the people health and we are still there ! Inept !

      • You know when people want to build or start a business the rules and hoops to jump through and safety, license’s and so much more to do, inspections to make sure all rules are followed to make sure everything and everyone is safe but with the nuke industry …..

  • Cesium leveling out at the Fukushima reactor No.3

    The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant said on Sunday that the level of radioactive cesium in seawater around the Number 3 reactor has shown no signs of increasing since Saturday.
    Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, has been constantly checking the level of radioactive substances at water intakes in …

  • Anti-nuclear groups begin annual campaign in Fukushima
    Aug. 01, 2011
    An estimated 1,700 people rallied in the capital of Fukushima Prefecture, home to a crippled atomic power plant, on Sunday, calling for an end to nuclear energy, local …

  • Sushi industry hurting from radiation scare
    Aug. 01, 2011
    TOKYO — Not long after the March 11 earthquake in Japan, I heard about sushi panic. But not in Japan.
    It seemed that restaurant goers in places like New York, San Francisco, and Los Angeles were rushing out to eat loads of raw fish before it was too late. Many of those sushi lovers speculated that radiation from the Fukushima nuclear plant would contaminate the sea, the fish and then people.
    That’s not an impossible scenario. But …

  • Jordan’s anti-nuclear movement gains steam

    MAFRAQ – Sheikh Ahmed Mashagbeh has nuclear on the mind.
    For the last six months, the 70-year-old tribal leader has broken from his traditional role of brokering engagements and land disputes to reading up on atomic energy and nuclear waste disposal.
    Now a self-proclaimed nuclear expert, Mashagbeh has one simple message for decision makers.
    “If they think they will build a nuclear reactor here, the Bani Hassan tribe will go nuclear,” Mashagbeh said.
    As weeks and months have passed since the announcement of the leading site for the country’s first nuclear reactor in Balaama near Mafraq, some 40 kilometres northeast of the capital, the prevailing sense of …

    • Sickputer

      As tragic as it may be…the worse it gets in Japan over the next few months will make the public relations job easier for nuclear plant opponents world wide. Nobody is wishing that of course, but the Japanese took two atomic bullets in 1945 that eventually helped lead to nuclear non-proliferation and test ban treaties.

      Now Japan is taking a massive number of atomic grenades in 2011. The publicity when the main stream media finally acknowledges the horror will be devastating to the nuclear industry in any nation with literate citizens.

      Small consolation to the victims in Japan, but hopefully the world will lend a helping hand if things descend into a situation that seems hopeless for survival.

      If Japan becomes uninhabitable in a worst case scenario then the safer zone countries of the world should take in the fleeing survivors. Nobody ever thought such a scenario would have been possible 5 months ago. But now that scenario is uttered by a few and thought about by many.

      • Steven Steven

        “when the main stream media finally acknowledges the horror”

        And this will happen why?

        I received the latest Aussie Greenpeace magazine today, page 6&7 headline “No more dirty coal” with a negative story on a new coal fired power station.

        Pages 8&9 follow with the headline “Barbie wrapped in scandal”, something about the Barbie dolls packaging coming from rain forests.

        Pages 10&11 “GM wheat scandal” fair enough, secret GM crop testing suggesting Aussies will be guinea pigs for this new untested technology.

        Pages 12&13 headlines “Behind the headlines” shows a photo of some guy in a boat dressed in protective gear with a dosimeter. The story opens with a lengthy quote from The Daily Telegraph claiming that Fukushima proves the safety of nuclear power.

        The main article denounces this opinion, but you have to read past what looks like an introduction to get that perspective. Furthermore they only mention one meltdown, in R1, and frankly seem to be downplaying events.

        This is either very poor journalism or a deliberate conjurers trick, someone probably realised that most readers ‘skim’ and would gain their main perspective from reading the quote. I’m quite disgusted by the whole business and am considering withdrawing my monthly donation, although it should be said that the guys on the ground have done some good work both in Japan and out on the ocean.

        Don’t underestimate the colossal weight of wealth, power and vested interest in this affair. As for the MSM well, that’s a business not a public watchdog.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    OT: xdrfox posted this on FOSL…and I’m posting it everywhere.. all day..all week.
    Yesterday..I was wondering ..why bother…
    humans are so ungrateful……
    Then an article like this comes along….
    What about the other creatures on this planet?
    We have to seek mercy for their sake as well.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I’ll tell you what..it’s damn hard to type with tears flowing.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    WHAT is it going to take..for the people to fight?

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Yes…somewhat more.