Discussion Thread for June 17 – June 23, 2011

Published: June 17th, 2011 at 7:23 pm ET


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  • 693

    Not sure for today, at the moment, there’s a quite big release of (steam/smoke?) in the backround (in front of the pylone number two and maybe 3 or 4). Quite unusual during day light.
    Btw It’s much harder to see it…

  • matina matina


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  • matina matina

    weird tepco cam went just from colour to black and white

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      I was watching earlier. I think the colors were from the sunset.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Also on the TBS/JNN feed there seemed to be a lot of vapor from the ground between #2 and #3 during the sunset. I couldn’t figure it out. Maybe it was some kind of reflection off the ocean.

        • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

          anne, unit 2 might become interesting tonight, as Tepco announced to open the doors starting around 8PM until fully open around 4AM. Releasing humidity and steam from inside the building.

  • matina matina

    there was a clear switch from colour feed to black and white, see link below


    19.06.2011 at 19:38”40

  • Anthony Anthony

    Is the increase in baby deaths in the northwest U.S. due to Fukushima fallout? How can we find out?
    June 9, 2011
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    Janette D. Sherman, MD, Joseph Mangano, MPH, MBA


    • Some random questions that we might be able to follow up on later:

      Did any of the mothers go in the ocean any time just prior to delivery? (I think ocean readings should be high around now, and increasing? – even on the West Coast of N America).

      Were statistics higher in areas that received the most radiation?

      Have there been similar spikes in Japan, or Tokyo?

    • Hot particles and babies

      If the West Coast received on average 10 hot particles per person per day in April, 2011 then I imagine this would have an effect on newborns, especially the weaker ones.

      We might have been getting something like 20 hot particles a day in March, who knows.

      Berkeley Univ (Nuclear Engineering Dept) talks of 5 hot particles a day as an “extremely big” risk for cancer and other problems.

      Seems to indicate that inhaling 5 or more “hot particles” (as defined below, and including Plutonium, for example) is a huge amount compared to the maximum recommended dose based on research at the time. Cancer risk is extremely hig.


      [“we recommend that the MPLPB for members of the public be 0.2 hot particles, and the average lung burden for members of the public be 0.07 hot particles, a factor of 3 less than the maximum.” (p. 45)]

      This report is also useful:



  • M Curie M Curie

    The doors are opening at #2


  • AustralianCannonball

    My latest video:

    Fukushima(Crime against humanity)


  • Prof. Neutron

    The IAEA has released the report of their mission to Fukushima in early June:


    I am appalled. Thre is no mention of any of the following. that I can find:

    – That there was significant loss of water in Unit 4 spent fuel pool, exposing and damaging the fuel rods stored there.

    – That there had been fission isotopes at significant concentrations in the water in Unit 4’s spent fuel pool, and reported by the IAEA itself!

    – That the RPVs of Units were melted through; there is even a statement that “it appears that they have been able to halt the severe accident progression, preventing containment liner melt through and energetic failure of primary containment.”

    – That there is MOX fuel in reactor 3 and plutonium has been detected outside the reactor units.

    And on and on. What a whitewash job. I am extremely disappointed, but I guess this was to be expected. The IAEA has lost any credibility as a global watchdog organization it ever had.

    • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

      The IAEA has never been a global watchdog…more of an industry lobby group that has very special powerful arrangements with the World Health Organization that prevents WHO from any ill words towards the industry. “The WHO/IAEA Agreement stipulates that
      “Whenever either organization proposes to initiate a programme or activity on a subject in which the other
      organization has or may have a substantial interest, the first party shall consult the other with a view to
      adjusting the matter by mutual agreement”. The Agreement also provides (Article III) for the application of
      “certain limitations for the safeguarding of confidential information””
      from very interesting report at http://www.ippnw-europe.org/commonFiles/pdfs/Atomenergie/appeal_healthprofessionals.pdf
      FYI..the WHO had same agreement with the Tobacco industry..

    • risabee risabee

      Ready to pick up that pitchfork yet, Professor? WE won’t diss you for it …

  • Elenin Velikovsky Elenin Velikovsky

    Thank You, All you wonderful brainy type-writin’ folks.
    I’m going to go to a Deck-chairs-on-the-Titanic type
    of exercise now this afternoon, as an act of Defiance,
    like the classic poster of the angry mouse flipping off the Owl
    about to strike.
    I’m going to go take my Certification exam for the
    NABCEP Intro to Solar Photovoltaics. The class was great
    because we had Trades guys in there with lots of know-how,
    electricians, plumbers, and HVAC guys.
    We built a scrounged-materials solar air heater out of
    thrown-away fluorescent ceiling fixtures,
    gutted out, drilled and sealed with rows of holed-out,
    glued-together, beer-cans sprayed black.
    the original translucent cover material from
    the light fixtures was replaced with clear plexi,
    formed into the original hinged-frames.
    insulated inside all around with stiff foil-backed
    board and taped with relective shiny tape.
    sealed as well as we could to retain heat and pressure,
    we experimented using computer fans (too hot for them)
    then blow-dryer fans, and a bathroom fart-fan, as well
    as no fan at all.
    we got 200 degrees out of this critter, of course on
    90 degree NM day. But many of us are going to build
    our own, and blow solar heat into our domicile.
    Propane is ridiculously priced, and folks are rebelling!
    Wish me luck on my Photovoltaic test! Rah!

  • Granny M

    Tornado watch and warning are again posted for a big chunk of Nebraska until 10 pm CDT.

  • gonefission gonefission

    warning sirens going off in Omaha 70+mph winds.
    radar showing a wall dark pink \red cells approaching soon

    • alexa

      Russian agency says plant in Nebraska another Japan disaster, suffered “catastrophic meltdown http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=10095

      • milk and cheese milk and cheese

        Alexa, better read the article. It is an American site that debunks the Russian report and says that the story of a meltdown is totally untrue.

        • alexa

          I know. The news is that the Russian agency said this, not what the American site said. Actually if I was a news reporter in news blackout I would follow exactly this approach to tell people the news (and the newspaper cannot be sued, because they were just debunking..)

    • gonefission gonefission

      ocifferdave…are u a officer, or just a ociffer? hehe if you can give us some breakdown of some of the ‘code’ would be helpful 🙂

  • StillJill StillJill

    Here’s a deep think: Can you imagine how hard of a time ANY incumbant is going to have getting re-elected in 2012? How can they EVER explain their not warning their people? Can you imagine the babies, and deaths, by election time 2012? There is NOT one bloody thing ANY of them can do to stop the Rocky Horror picture show we are ALL going to start seeing soon!!!

    • milk and cheese milk and cheese

      Of course incumbents will be reelected. They usually are. The electorate does not know what is going on and most of them are not capable of understanding ’cause’ and ‘effect’. They will be in favor of more nuclear plants, too, if they are told it will ‘lower their taxes’.

  • Anthony Anthony

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  • Anthony Anthony

    Great comment found at cnn:
    Between accidental oil spills and deliberate polluting by
    other corporate entities, marine life doesn’t have a chance! After
    researching gray whale migrations following the recent wave of apparent
    starvation deaths, it became clear to this whale watcher what is
    probably happening. Since the beginning of time these massive creatures
    migrated along our coast feeding in and out of estuaries on mud and ghost
    shrimp. Today however, a powerful and greedy Pacific Coast Shellfish
    Growers Association somehow acquired a free pass (permits) since 1964 to chemically
    eradicate shrimp in Willapa Bay and Grays harbor, Wa. The shrimp
    populations have been decimated to near extinction! (ask NOAA) Take two large
    estuaries out of the equation and, well, your getting the pictures!( DEAD
    WHALES) Here’s the kicker; The Wa state Department of Ecology is still
    giving out permits to aerial spray carbaryl and the permitting of other chemicals for more shrimp control! This makes no sense what so ever!
    Its no wonder our oceans are dying! 🙁 **

  • M Curie M Curie

    Yes, we have really ruined the marine enviornment, even before Fukushima! But this made me think about Nagasaki, and the beautiful koi I have from the breeders there.

    I’m in the greater Sac CA area, and so far we have experienced no unusual problems with pond or fish. Flukes got two fish before we treated pond in spring. My fault due to unusually heavy rainfall = neglect.

    I’ll post if we see anything unusual since the pond took heavy rainfall this spring and we use local water for frequent back-washes. Total capacity is 1100 gallons.

  • ocifferdave

    Here Sceintific American doesn’t have all the facts about the baby deaths that Jonivian pointed out days ago.


  • Anthony Anthony

    O/T Hong Kong child dies of mutated strain of scarlet fever; 2 recent deaths HK’s first in decade

    By The Associated Press | The Canadian Press – 28 minutes ago

    HONG KONG – A mutated strain of scarlet fever more resistant to antibiotics has killed a second child in Hong Kong, the first deaths from the illness in the southern Chinese city in at least a decade, authorities said Wednesday.
    Certain characteristics of the new strain likely make it more contagious, and it may be responsible for an outbreak sweeping Hong Kong, said Professor Kwok-yung Yuen, head of Hong Kong University’s microbiology department.
    The new strain strain has about 60 per cent resistance to antibiotics used to treat it, compared with 10 to 30 per cent in previous strains, he said.


  • SamsuLevin

    As we´re all living on this radiated planet – plants, animals, human beings … – what do you think about possibility of mutations of bacterical and viral life due to this large fallout?!?

  • mungo mungo

    sorry if this has been posted before, it is about radiation in europe
    i am in the uk, it is difficult to find radiation levels for the uk, but i am sure we have all been hit with a dose..
    also, has anyone checked out this site..http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php, the e. coli epidemic is still going on, not newsworthy anymore to msm, but it is classed as top level alert

  • SteveMT

    FYI: Enenews crossed the 1,000 Facebook friends marked today. Nice. The battle continues, but with increased numbers.

  • SteveMT

    FYI: Enenews crossed the 1,000 Facebook friends mark today. Nice. The battle continues, but with increased numbers.

  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    I’d like to know if you guys from the US could give us an update concerning the situation of dams and levees in Nebraska. I’m worried, as I see only rising levels again.
    Here in Germany, MSM is finally sporadically starting to report the story.

    • Elenin Velikovsky Elenin Velikovsky

      check it out…this is the North Dakota news running live
      shots and giving the official water-gauge expected
      levels for Minot, rising to a crest over the next week.
      They are saying they will be 7 feet deeper than now,
      already 2 feet over “flood stage”.

    • Granny M

      Weather Underground
      http://www.wunderground.com is excellent site for EVERYTHING weather related. Only problem is there is so much fascinating stuff, I can fritter away too time learning tasty weather tidbits. Click severe weather – also great for monitoring hurricane/typhoon status – new tropical storm will not hit Japan, but will dump more rain there around Sunday.

  • DarylAnn

    hard to say here because the news channels only report on the “important news” such as political sex scandals, who the front-runners will be for the republicans in 2012, the Casey Anthony child murder case and such topics……. we aren’t allowed to know what’s going on anymore…

    this is the new Amerika!

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    The brainiacs at Dimona..really ought to help in Japan..being experts and all…

  • mungo mungo

    look at webcams now, one shows a crane near No.1 reactor, but no crane on the webcam nearer to the plant… i feel like alice in wonderland..

  • Just an idea to get all YouTube users to now switch their home pages to a Fukushima video [alert].

    For example, one could do a tribute to the bravery and courage of the people of Japan during an extremely difficult time.

    Each user can do his/her own take on what is happening. Play a flute, bang a drum, play with the cat—anything to get more visibility to the real dangers that exist. People are already doing it, but we may need to ramp it up.

    Whatever we can do to get the ball rolling.


    Tribute to Japan (Fukushima Disaster)

    • gonefission gonefission

      I posted a few times in the craigslist free section(seems everyone is broke)
      Posted a brief summary and link to here and set up a hit counter on the listing and the 3 times i did it pulled 100+ hits in less then 10 mins.. less then 15 I get flagged .. go figure

      elsewhere might have better luck, also wording is key factor as well im sure:-)

    • Also, put a thick black border around every video.

      Symbol of Fukushima.

  • Anthony Anthony

    German government faces compensation claims over ending nuclear power

    Plans by the German government to axe all the country’s nuclear power stations by 2022 are under threat from legal action by aggrieved energy companies that claim Berlin’s plans are unconstitutional.


  • AustralianCannonball



    OK first video is amazing. Second video backs up the plume.

  • WorseThanChernobyl

    I thought this was interesting…

    Port Orchard, Bainbridge police outfitted to detect nukes on the water

    Read more: http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2011/jun/21/port-orchard-bainbridge-police-outfitted-to-on/#ixzz1Q4T6uRYe

  • Tenor

    Very good photo essay on Japan three months on from 11/3/11 in the Boston Globe: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/06/japan_three_months_after_the_q.html

  • Anthony Anthony

    Doctor says radiation test on cars ‘scientifically negligent’
    24 Jun, 2011 04:00 AM
    A leading anti-nuclear figure has cast doubts over the integrity of radiation screening in Port Kembla, saying the tests were grossly inadequate.

    Dr Helen Caldicott made the comments after tests on a ship full of cars from Japan returned negative readings.

    Two Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency (ARPANSA) inspectors boarded the Trans Future 7 yesterday morning to test 102 of the ship’s 800 new and used vehicles.


  • Anthony Anthony

    Tennessee Valley Authority Looks To Build Six Small, Modular Nuclear Reactors
    The first of their kind used for commercial energy generation
    By Clay Dillow Posted 06.22.2011 at 4:00 pm


  • Mark

    My sister and her husband crossed the border from Canada into Washington State last weekend on maiden voyage of their new house trailer. Border crossing was a nightmare they were treated like criminals, their two dogs put in a sequestered cage, held back in office made to sit on wooden bench for over an hour treated rudely. Complete body search and vehicle search, why? They are an exemplary example of a professional middle age couple. Sad direction USA is going and I don’t buy the excuse of terrorism. Why isn’t Uncle Arnie commenting like he was? Everyone here can see the change. Obviously some sort of behind the scenes threat. Welcome to the New America! So sad to see your freedoms being taken away without a fight. Looks like they want more radiation and few people really care the perfect crime when you get stomach cancer the official line is we don’t know what causes cancer sorry.