Do new revelations prove Fukushima Reactors No. 5 and 6 had meltdowns, or even worse?

Published: November 13th, 2011 at 2:30 pm ET
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Reactor 5 and 6 had criticality as well, Fukushima Diary by Mochizuki, November 12, 2011:

Mochizuki goes over three points which lead to his conclusion that the data “proves nuclear fuel had meltdown and melt outed to get out of the container vessels” at Fukushima Daiichi Reactors No. 5 and 6:

Iodine at end of April

On Tepco’s press release data of 4/25/2011, Iodine-133 [EDIT: likely iodine-131, as stated in chart below] was measured at intake of reactor 5 and 6.

  • 0.15 Bq/cm3 8:50 on 4/24/2011 (150 Bq/liter)
  • 0.23 Bq/cm3 14:30 on 4/24/2011 (230 Bq/liter)

English Translation via Google

Reactor Temperature in June

Also, according to press release data of 6/13/2011, the temperature of reactor 5 and 6 were hotter than 200ºC, and data of 3/11~3/15 are concealed. Even on 3/19/2011, they were still 183°C and 167°C.

Water Under Containment Vessels

SOURCE: Fukushima Diary

5/16/2011, Tepco released data of how much contaminated water is sticked [sic] under the container vessels [...]

  • 300 cubic meters under reactor 5
  • 13,500 cubic meters under reactor 6

It proves nuclear fuel had meltdown and melt outed to get out of the container vessels.

UPDATE: Reactors No. 5 and 6 were NOT in cold shutdown after quake, implies report by US nuclear industry -- Cooling at Spent Fuel Pool No. 5 stopped until cables installed -- Fresh fuel had been loaded into both reactors

Published: November 13th, 2011 at 2:30 pm ET
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31 comments to Do new revelations prove Fukushima Reactors No. 5 and 6 had meltdowns, or even worse?

  • Grampybone Grampybone

    6 Reactors are now reported in full fission meltdown yet the IAEA is in full denial mode. Now for the game of “FIND THAT CORE”. I hope gasses are not building up in 5&6 because if there was another ignition it could be really ugly very soon. If the plant has another 2 explosive events it could run out of control in an explosive manner far more powerful than the initial events of 3/11/11. This has been a PSA for all Terrans living in the “J” sector.

    • Anthony Anthony

      If this is remotely true, it is way beyond being in control.

      5 or 6 meltdowns?

      I can’t help feeling a little nervous & concerned now.

  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    Err…honestly, I don’t see the evidence in that data (yet). Can someone explain to me, pleeease?

    *Bread, tired

    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Dear Bread: I’d like to see data confirming this, as well. We may have an outrageous time trying to get it, however. On the other hand there may be quite a number of other examples of total news blackouts, which we can “reverse engineer” (analyze to sift for specks of confirming informatin, or better) on probable or possible meltdowns at other locations, such as at Kashiwazaki Kariwa (from a 6.8 temblor of 07/16/2007). The other plants that were probably severely affected in Japan from the March Tohoku quake include, but are not necessarily limited to: Hamaoka, Kashiwazaki Kariwa, Onagawa, Tonsai, Tsuruga (May 2, anyone remember a certain particularly stupid U.S. media false flag on that day involving the murder of someone already long dead?)…the total number of other sites added up to 10. I can’t remember them all off the top of my head. I think a total news black-out is much more likely when the reactor unit involved does not have an explosion and steam has not been widely enough observed-confirmed because of the success, for the nuke operators of whatever methods of hiding steam or other types of radionuclide releases they have. This is not an unbalanced notion as you indicated with one of your recent posts. It seems, in fact, to be the norm at all 1000 nuclear power plants around the planet–news blackouts on releases of enormous quantities ionizing radiation, even on a routine basis. I never considered anything along the lines of what you said earlier about the release of gigabequerels of radionuclides or radiation each time an active reactor is changed out or unsealed for maintenance, even being on this blog for the entire 8 months since 311. But, it does make logical sense and surely there must be some sort of whistle blower type(s) or documentation after all these decades who could confirm our suspicions or analyses.

    • arclight arclight

      i believe bq/cm3 is the same as bq/l .. if that is so then it is a very low reading that would be measured at a steady rate year round…

      see the criirad beacons for clarification of constant low releases
      thats my take.. criirads warning level is 10 bq/l (nearly recently reached at avignon water, awaiting update to spectrograph)

      the water? from the tsunami?

      temperature may be interesting..dont know enough to comment.. small partial meltdown?? covered by the others?? contaminating the flood water! any other isotopes??

    • stock@hawaii.rr.com stock@hawaii.rr.com

      Scroll down a bit, past the pictures of the uranium pellets lying in the rubble, to the pictures of the zapped paint on 5 and 6.

      http://oahutrading.blogspot.com/p/japan-nuclear-information.html

  • I heard a rumor that IAEA says that the ‘meltdown’ is actually a term only used with ice cream, not for nuclear reactors. The rumor continues as follows….

    The proper term for what is being called a meltdown, is partial liquifactory expression or PLE.

    Since PLE is not harmful when applied to ice cream, it does not matter that SIX or SIX HUNDRED reactors are experiencing this… there is no ‘unsafe’ radiation being released. Everyone knows ice cream is not dangerous, even if it melts. This is a scientific FACT, no one can deny. Since there are no measurements of radioactivity, since all detectors are out of order, there is no danger.

    In any case, Ann Coltier of Faux News says the more radiation, the better your health will be, so even if there is excess radiation, it will only improve the health of all Japanese citizens.

    Government plans are to add radioactive cesium and iodine to the drinking water in the near future, per Ann Coltiers suggestions, in order to prevent goiter and problems with muscle strength or heartbeat.

    Also, all radiation levels in food are now considered ‘safe’, no matter how high, since the more radiation you get the better your health. No further testing will be done for food or water.

    A nutrient classification for radiation will be established shortly, promoting the health benefits of higher levels of radiation in food and water.

    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      I wonder if Mann Coulter has children? We could force her to live there, if she does not have children. She could eat a straight coastal Tohoku raw diet. Nothing could be more fashionable or healthier!

    • Nigwil

      Flouridation of public water supplies was started to ‘hide in plain sight’ a toxic waste of the nuclear industry. So they are now trying the same thing with Plutonium!!!!???!!!

    • anne anne

      Ann Coulter’s cutesy smirk doesn’t look like a truth teller to me. Physicists are NOT medical doctors or biologists. Neither they nor Ann Coulter are to be believed. Worse, giving out these lies is the height of EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Ann Coulter Says Radiation Is Good For You
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXFUUGeV1DI

  • Nigwil

    Note that the readings were taken at the INLET to 5 and 6, not the outletcould be they are showing rad level in the air being pulled into the buildings that has radiation from 1 to 4, rather than implying emissions from 5 and 6.
    Note too that when running with containment intact the high pressures see operating water temps above 200C so high temps after quake may not indicate core meltdown but rather could confirm the primary containment is intact. Or was then.

  • anne anne

    News: An enraged Fukushima citizen talks about everything
    October 22nd, 2011

    “A raged Fukushima citizen confessed everything at the interview with a journalist Iwakami Yasumi.

    “This guy, Mr.Sakuma is in Kawamata machi, where is east to Fukushima plant by 22km.

    “Even before 311, he had been having a problem in his eyes.

    “His doctor said he has a tumor in tear gland. He was having medical treatment but after the explosions, it went so bad that he couldn’t even close his eyes.

    “Having his 3 years old child have nosebleed, he decided to evacuate to Hachijo jima.

    “His family totally believes what the TV says so he was criticized hard but since he evacuated to Hachijojima, his eyes became better.

    “He runs motorcycle shop. He has 30,000,000 JPY load from banks so he had to come back to Fukushima.

    “He is aware of the health risk to live in Fukushima, but for the financial reasons, he must struggle being exposed.

    “His eyes get worse soon as he comes back to Fukushima. However, his doctors at Fukushima university asserts it has nothing to do with radiation.

    “Interview overview

    “1) 21 years old Fukushima worker died of cardiac infarct. It is not reported and police didn’t even do autopsy. He died when he was at home, and he was working at Fukushima plant since March to July.

    “2) Though everyone pays attention to reactor 1 to 4, actually reactor 5 and 6 are in crisis. Engineers from Hitachi are coming to the area to get it settled down but it’s concealed. It’s likely that they are going critical so Iodine 131 are measured in Tokyo or Iwate.

    • anne anne

      [cont.]
      “3) In the “worst” contaminated area,where is about 1 Sv/h or so, “unlisted” workers are forced to work. They are hunted in the downtown in Osaka, treated as disposable workers.
      “One of his friends had to go into reactor 3. When the person saw the area, it was full of debris and the counter showed about 1~2 Sv/h but the next morning, the area was perfectly clean. Because it needs sensitive work, it must have been done by humans.
      “They say, those disposable workers were forced to work in those situations, held captive until they die, and then marked as “missing”.
      “4) Police that guard within the 20km area border are not informed of the radiation level. (about 100 microSv/h when Mr Sakuma and his friend visited) and a lot of police are dead but it never be reported either.
      “5) He longs for the truth, so everything can give up living in Fukushima at least. Even if it’s revealed in 50 years from now, it’s too late.
      “6) Some of the radiation monitoring posts are taken away.
      “7) Local government requires citizens to report “lower” number of what the counter shows, so their radiation map shows lower than actual…..”
      http://fukushima-diary.com/2011/10/news-a-raged-fukushima-citizen-talks-about-everything/

      • Sickputer

        “One of his friends had to go into reactor 3. When the person saw the area, it was full of debris and the counter showed about 1~2 Sv/h but the next morning, the area was perfectly clean. Because it needs sensitive work, it must have been done by humans.
        “They say, those disposable workers were forced to work in those situations, held captive until they die, and then marked as “missing”.

        SP: It’s been a tactic of the yakuza for decades to recruit winos and drug addicts for Tepco mop-up work at reactors. If the levels were that high those workers who cleaned the debris needed to be on the Russian method of working for a minute and then be released from duty for siz months to a year as they were maxed out. One wheel barrow of burned rods run into the Unit 4 at Chernobyl at breakneck speed by a worker and they were done for a year.

        Now if the Japanese were making these workers work even a few minutes in high rad areas it was a death sentence. I am guessing the bodies are not at the hospital as that would just be too much of a record. I think the waste incinerator they built in the summer and ran every day cremated the dead workers. Some day I hope we will learn if that guess is true.

    • Anthony Anthony

      Brutal news

  • anne anne

    Reactor 5 and 6 are in crisis too.

    “engineers from HITACHI are coming to try to settle it down.
    10/23/2011,Tepco finally released data about reactor 5 and 6.
    It is to show how much cesium are measured at the water release point of those reactors.

    “Comparing the data to the one of 9/29/2011,it has become 10 times worse in one month.

    “Although Tepco’s data is not trustworthy,we can read the trend.

    “At 30 km from water release point of reactor 5 and 6.
    9/29/2011
    Cs-134+137 20Bq/Kg
    10/22/2011
    Cs-134+137 188Bq/Kg (Cs-134 78Bq/Kg,Cs-137 110Bq/Kg)

    http://fukushima-diary.com/2011/10/reactor-5-and-6-are-in-crisis-too/

  • dosdos dosdos

    There are issues here that is contrary to my memory. I seem to remember (I haven’t checked the exact date) that in late April or May, the governor of Fukushima denied TEPCO the right to restart any of its reactors at Daiichi and Daini. TEPCO wanted a local source for electricity for the crisis, rather than buying it from another utility, so they planned on bringing 5 and 6 back online. That is not contrary to a lack of cold shutdown. However, it is contrary to a meltdown.

    But it’s not contrary to a local criticality. Nor is it contrary to radionuclides from 1-4, including Iodine 131, seeping its way underground through the shallow water table under the plant. Nor is it contrary to parts of the core scattered from the explosion at Unit 3 seeping into the system of 5 & 6 via rainwater runoff and possibly undergoing light fission.

    I would doubt that meltdowns happened at 5 & 6, as it just doesn’t fit the known facts. There were problems in 5 & 6, especially 5, from damage to the units from the quake and tsunami, especially in the spent fuel pools. And both were doused heavily in isotopes from the explosions at 1, 3, and 4. And the monitoring instruments may have not been properly calibrated.

    There are too many other possibilities that make more sense for this data than meltdowns in 5 and 6. But criticality doesn’t need meltdowns.

  • A Look At The Power That Failed At Fukushima
    http://www.simplyinfo.org/?p=4021

  • sworldpeas sworldpeas

    If there was any positive news coming out of unit 5 and 6 then we know for sure Tepco would be all over it. The fact that everything is kept so secret is an indication that it’s FUBAR. Tepco is just trying to figure out how to do damage control. We should have KNOWN the status of ALL SIX REACTORS in March! Here it is 8 months later and we are still trying to decipher mixed messages from Tepco? it’s inexcusable!
    The truly maddening part is “THEY” know exactly whats going on and aren’t telling us, from Tepco to the NRC we are witness to one giant nuclear industry collusion/scam being perpetrated on us all.