Editors: Fukushima giving top nuclear scientists nightmares — Writer from L.A.: Radioactive plume crossing Pacific is what’s keeping me up at night

Published: November 25th, 2013 at 4:01 pm ET
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Bangkok Post, Nov. 24, 2013: There have been charges that both the government and Tepco have been too concerned with damage control and not been proactive enough in dealing with this crisis nor forthcoming with details of its magnitude. [...] In July, it was confirmed that some 300 tonnes of underground water, which included contaminated water, were flowing into the sea every day. [...] To be fair, Tepco has been dealing with an enormously complicated situation that is giving the best nuclear scientists in the world nightmares. [...]

Indian Country Today, Nov. 25, 2013: [...] How much you know about the situation on the ground at the crippled Daiichi plant depends on how much you are intentionally seeking the information. Many people I talk to still don’t seem to fully comprehend the scope of the problem, likely because it hasn’t dominated the evening news. There is a lot to know but the most troubling facts are 1) that 300 tons of radioactive water have been spilling into the Pacific Ocean every day and is seeping into the groundwater; 2) the clean-up process is so risky that it continues to be delayed and has been called [...] potentially the biggest ticking time bomb in human history. [...] what keeps me awake at night is the radioactive plume making its way across the Pacific. It worries me because I live in a Southern California beach community [...] I think also of the many Native nations in the US and Canada whose ancient ways of life depend on the “big waters” of the Pacific [...] The proliferation of nuclear energy is a symptom of the insanity of Western-based modern science. It is reflective of a people who have so little respect for life that they are willing to sacrifice their own grandchildren’s generation [...]

Tepco has recently revised the daily flow of contaminated water into the ocean from 300 tons per day to 400. See: Japan Times: Now 400 tons a day of toxic water is estimated to be entering Pacific from Fukushima plant; 100 more tons per day than what Tepco had claimed

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85 comments to Editors: Fukushima giving top nuclear scientists nightmares — Writer from L.A.: Radioactive plume crossing Pacific is what’s keeping me up at night

  • "The proliferation of nuclear energy is a symptom of the insanity of Western-based modern science. It is reflective of a people who have so little respect for life that they are willing to sacrifice their own grandchildren’s generation"

    Exactly.


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    • Gasser Gasser

      Kenny Roberts; The Gambler

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Jj4nJ1YEAp4

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      On a radioactive summer's eve
      
On a train bound from nuclear Hell

      I met up with a Uranium gambler

      We were both too contaminated to sleep
      
So we took turns a-starin'

      Out the window at the meltdown disaster 

      The fear overtook us, he began to speak

      He said, "Son, I've made a life

      Out of polluting' people's places
      
Knowin' what the odd's were

      By the fear they had in their eyes

      So if you don't mind my sayin'

      I can see you got fear in you're eyes

      For a taste of your uncontaminated water

      I'll give you some advice"

      So I handed him my bottle

      And he drank down my last swallow

      Then he bummed my last joint

      And asked me for a light
      
And the night got deathly quiet

      And his faced lost all expression

      He said, "If you're gonna play the nuclear game, boy

      You gotta learn to play it right

      [Con't]


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      • Gasser Gasser

        [Con't]

        You've got to know when to bullshit 'em

        Know when to not tell 'em

        Know when to walk away

        Know when to run

        
You never count your blood money

        When you're sittin' at the NRC table

        There'll be time enough for countin'

        When the death dealin's done

        Every nuke reactor gambler knows

        That the secret to money survivin'

        Is knowin' how many MOX rod's to use

        And knowin' how many are in the pool

        
'Cause every bad water pump's a loser
        
And every meltdown a potential ELE

        And the best that you can hope for
        
Is to die in your sleep"

        And when he finished speakin'

        He turned back toward the window

        Took one more hit off the Ganja fatty

        
And faded off to into Cesium's death
        
And somewhere in the darkness

        The gambler he never broke even

        
And in his final words

        I never found faith that I could keep
        You've got to know when to cold’em
        
Know when to shut 'em down


        Know when to walk away

        And know when to run

        
You never count your blood money

        When you're sittin' at the NRC table

        There'll never be time enough for countin'

        When death dealin' radiation is done

        ~Gasser Classic~


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  • Alpha1

    I only wish there was a generation after the grandchildren, I have done the math and every person on the planet has already been dose to death. There will be no grandchildren unless they are living under ground even then the odds that they will be able to reproduce is unlikely. So since this has happened there is no doubt that it is the death of the billions that live here and millions of species as well on the planet. Good luck with trying to go past the next generations…


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  • Nick

    "what keeps me awake at night is the radioactive plume making its way across the Pacific. It worries me…"

    It worries me too. But not enough others.

    Here-in lies our problem.

    Yes, Fukushima IS the biggest threat to our planet, possibly for the rest of time. But since radioactive
    atoms and particles are invisible, tasteless, etc., out of sight out of mind.

    We humans are out of our minds denying, on any level, just how horrible nuclear technology is.

    We can listen all day long to experts. But the proof is in the pudding, or should I say Pacific?

    I was conceived and born on Oahu, so was my mother.

    It's bad enough not to be able to body-surf on the North Shore. It's hard not to see Diamond Head
    on the horizon in Honolulu.

    But what's worse is contemplating the isle of my birth, in the middle of the largest body of water in the known Universe, poisoned forever by fools who thought accidents can't happen especially when you lie about them.

    I get really tired of numbers that we rant about. 300 tons. 400 tones. Meaningless without full disclosure. No mention about missing corms. No mention of constant outgassing from the spent fuel pools.

    So I have to read between the lines, use my instinct.

    Things are bad, very bad folks. No amount of spin, by anyone on this good earth ,can convince me otherwise.

    My nightmare is feeling the burn of Strontium-90 on my skin as I dive beneath the waters as I try and sooth my already sun-burnt…


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  • Nick

    skinb.

    Thanks nuclear. Thanks for the memories of a planet and it's oceans we once had.


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    • pattersonp

      lol I have ome of the only remaining 'freshwater' in north america and i havent been able to swim in it for 30 years. water pollution has been a problem since egyptian days… most recently cholerra in Europe, and e-coli always pops up…

      i'll still enjoy my yearly cuba and venezuela visits with light sea swimming and rum. Cheers m8 u need a drink sometime.


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      • soern

        you have nothing at all
        nobody has
        enjoy your holidays


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        • pattersonp

          I would have shared some with you if you asked nicely. You are right I have nothing because I was given everything the day I was able to breath on my own. Life is wonderful, isn't it?

          And everyday is a holiday for me when you realize how much life, beauty and possibilities exist TODAY, not after 10 years full of fear that you may get sick from a hot particle.


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          • HoTaters HoTaters

            I'm with you on cherishing what's left while we can.


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            • pattersonp

              I guess I am a bit 'troll'-like on here but I have a few fundamental 'pattersonp-ism' on Fukushima:

              1) We can all agree, absolutely nothing constructive is underwear, planned or achievabl; aerolized radioactive isotopes from Fukushima now, future and past nuclear leaks, bombs, etc. cannot be un-made and are inside this closed-planet. 1b) Living in FEAR and/or actively PROMOTING "fear" is constructive as far as motivation, research, perseverance, etc. It is NOT constructive to stay awake at night worrying if SPF4 will drop.

              2) TEPCO, MSM, govt, agencies, scientists tell 'lies', or versions of the truth of they see fit with SOME basis in 'reality'. 2b) We are being lied to, led astray, form incorrect conclusions, communicate wrong information, etc. In other words, none of us will ever know what happened or the full extent of the consequences. (moot point)

              3) previous Fukushima + all nuclear fallout 'will' kill you. It 'will' be in the air, water, food, animals, us, etc for thousands of years. As will plastic bottles that do not breakdown in nature, iPhones. 5b) Whatever we do now will impact FUTURE generations. We are in essence "screwed'.

              4) We NEED real-time radiation monitoring AND FAST to avoid endless visiting contaminated regions, or foolishly exposing populations to long-term rad exposure. 4b) endless TECHNOLOGY to fix these messes? fix current mess?

              5) This is un-fixable. The genie is out of the bottle.


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  • Sol Man

    Nuclear has been nightmares from the beginning.
    With what is at stake everywhere in the world, particularly during the transfer at sfp 4, people deserve a accurate account of the status as it progresses. Nobody deserves what nobody wanted.


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  • pattersonp

    she cites caldicott and suzuki as both experts /facepalm. Suzuki is NOT an expert on this, he made some comments regarding it on a public forum, so it got 'attention' because of his name. He knows less than FUku-Diary readers.

    And it worries her because of some unknown fear that it MAY come because of what others tell her without any actual documentation of concentrations or where the 'plume' is if its even coming. Or is she simply citing models and projections that are supposed to represent 5000 miles of water/atmosphere/biosphere interactions (which is impossible given complexity).

    She won't be able to have healthy lifestyle in the beach. Does she know how much fracking has gone on in So-Cal? There's also 4 other reactors there… Oh know, blame it on the invisible boogeyman called the Plume.


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  • rakingmuck

    I think this is a very important conversation. Being well passed the point of acceptance, one would think I'd be sleeping at night. I am not. And it is getting worse and worse. This can only weaken an already bombarded immune system. There must be ways to cope. For example if I was told this is going to be a slow burn and you will die of cancer in 6 years I could get on with my life. If I was told you could be vaporized in the next 2-7 days I could actually deal with this. Its the not knowing that is crippling me.


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    • pattersonp

      so in other words you are paranoid about dying from an unknown illness you may or may not get. u really wanna live everyday like that?


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      • soern

        obviously you do not have any respect for our environment, nature, plant, flowers and so on.
        So it is not astonishing you cannot understand fears, feelings ..
        of other people.
        You want to fool around here a little?

        Maybe i lost something?


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      • razzz razzz

        pattersonp: I see you are having a hard time coping with Daiichi fallout as much as anyone else. When do you stop worrying about it? When outside the exclusion zone? When you get to Tokyo? When you stop smiling? People are free to worry if they want, same as people who don't worry. They don't need you to tell them how to feel.


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        • pattersonp

          I asked a simple question: Do you want to live every day in fear of dying from unknown illness?

          as far as 'coping', I am doing nothing because there is nothing to be done. Evacuate my family to south america, for what? They have more problems with social unrest, water, food, etc there then I will ever have eating trace cesium and isotopes on my food.

          I stopped worrying about it when I realize there is NO technology available in my life-time to solve this. I've been reading Fuku-Diary and Ex-skf since day 1, I know all the ins and outs as much as TEPCO has provided and Japs have translated for me to read in English.

          If there is no solution, I cannot worry for it won't be solved and if there is a solution then it will be solved — either way, worrying = pointless. I am not telling anyone how to feel, I could really seriously care less how scared someone is at night of the boogeyman… I asked if said person wants to live like that everyday in lieu of the unknowns all considered.


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      rakingmuck, I understand. I was told I had what could be the beginning of an aortal aneurysm about five years ago. Until it didn't change for several years in size, I was prone to worry. Getting a thoracic aneurysm isn't something one looks forward to …. Prospects for surviving surgery aren't great. People are often paralyzed afterward. After several years I came to terms with it; it may one day do me in. But there's something to be said for learning to cope.

      We are all mortals. Maybe there is some comfort in knowing you aren't alone?


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    • Songie Songie

      raking muck says, " For example if I was told this is going to be a slow burn and you will die of cancer in 6 years I could get on with my life. If I was told you could be vaporized in the next 2-7 days I could actually deal with this. Its the not knowing that is crippling me."

      exactly, and I would add that this unknowing is paralyzing me….


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  • Sixela Sixela

    I'm convinced that they are letting Fuku run its course because it is hopeless anyway. I certainly can't manage to make anyone care, or even believe that it can be as bad as it is. How do you make someone fear an invisible threat? Anyway, runaway climate change is upon us, and if you believe the predictions, we'll hit 450ppm CO2 by 2030. (3ppm increase per year over 17 years to go from 400 to 450). This guarantees at least a 2C rise in temps, but other models say that once we hit 2C, feedbacks will quickly send us to 6C, which is incompatible with life for most of the earth. Plants, animals and the ocean will not be able to adapt. Sea ice will vanish, etc.

    Anyway, the climate is going to collapse, Fuku is pushing it over the edge. Climate collapse will cause economic collapse, and political instability. Possibly nuclear war, or H/A/A/R/P war, or whatever other sneaky weapons they have, because no gov't can let their people starve or lack water without fighting the guy next door for shared resources.

    I dunno, I've been kind of down. I've be mourning the loss of everything, which is strange to do amongst the very everything that I am mourning.


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    • The Five Stages Of Grief In Response To Trauma, Abuse, Disasters Such as Fukushima, or Loss; via @AGreenRoad
      http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-five-stages-of-grief-in-response-to.html


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    • JKBK

      After doing all the reading and watching of videos I am convinced that the nuclear industry is one that tend to operate with secrecy, false assumption/dreams and was never economically viable.

      Take for instance with Japan, Japan started the nuclear industry based on the assumption that they will somehow be able to reprocess/recycle nuclear waste turning them into usable nuclear fuel. Hence there was no plan to remove dispose nuclear waste. Today that recycling plant is a big white elephant costing 11 trillion yen (abt US$108 billion) and they could not afford to close it down because it will bankrupt Japan nuclear industry. So their plan is to continue with building maintaining this useless reprocessing plant so that they can get the much needed loan for the nuclear industry. For more detail please watch the utube video about nuclear waster from NHK documentary.

      It is normal for us to feel sad or depress when you hear such negative news. On the hand there is something very wrong with those people who knows about this and yet continue to believe that nuclear is good for mankind even though there are so many serious issues with the nuclear industry.

      Nuclear is something we can do without as it will only delay the inevitable need for us to live with less energy to use.


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    • We Not They Finally

      sixela, I believe that nuclear is so way way WORSE than anything CO2 could possibly do, it's like comparing Godzilla to an ant. CO2 is not even the culprit, nor does it destroy genes, the very basis of life itself!

      I think the environmental movement was fed a lot of junk science. We know that nuclear kills, and directly. It also tears away the ozone layer that protects the earth. And the chemtrails that supposedly protect us from global warming, CREATE global warming as well as poisoning us and all living things.

      That said, did you know that the whole solar system is warming? It's just neither an excuse for, nor minimalization of nuclear criminality. Which by the way, also destroys oxygen-giving plankton, which in turn also stops the oceans from absorbing CO2.


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    • Songie Songie

      sixela says, "I dunno, I've been kind of down. I've be mourning the loss of everything, which is strange to do amongst the very everything that I am mourning."

      sixela, well said. you captured my feelings exactly. sigh.


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  • dosdos dosdos

    Just wait until the plume reaches the US shore and gets aerosolized by the churning surf, contaminating the air and ground up to an mile from the shore. The west coast will have a thin strip of hot real estate, and the pricey property with an ocean view won't be able to be sold for a dollar. Then something will get done, because it will hurt the rich financially.


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  • Daisy207

    Quote "Anyway, runaway climate change is upon us, and if you believe the predictions, we'll hit 450ppm CO2 by 2030. (3ppm increase per year over 17 years to go from 400 to 450)."

    Lets see warm air holds more CO2 than cooler air – so if the air heats up FIRST (like from a period of solar maximum – its the suns fault) the air will hold more CO2 not the other way around. Its the old chicken and egg delima. But then if Fukushima KILLS all the phytoplankton that convert CO2 to Oxygen we really are FUBAR.


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    • soern

      there were some scientists who analysed ice core drillings
      at greenland which said, global CO2 rising was to detect 150 to 200 Years AFTER a global warming period.
      CO2 Story seems to be a fairy tale by nucleocrats as NPPs don't exhaust CO2 directly. Thats all.


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    • CO2 causes the oceans to become more acid.

      Acid kills all living things, including humans, algae, plankton and anything with calcium in it is dissolved.

      Starfish are most calcium..

      Is it radiation, plutonium, CO2, methane, or ???

      Anyway you cut it, it is not a good sign.


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    • Sixela Sixela

      Definitely FUBAR. I explain this to people, and they say "Yeah, it sucks." And I don't know whether they are just as depressed about it all as I am, or if they don't understand the gravity.

      My friends and family are on the West Coast.


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    • jec jec

      Yes! This time the Fukushima cancer deaths of carbon based lifeforms, humans, will start showing up before the air gets much warmer. Will be hard to say its climate change. I suppose the governments and businesses making money on the carbon tax and regulations, will point to C02 caused cancer (sarcasm). And just looking at the data from the UK on cancer trends, scary scary rises up to 2010..then nothing.Just like Japan's analysis of Fukushima victims. Silence is deadly in this case as the radioactive plumes near coastlines away from Japan…or plumes are all over the world.


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      • We Not They Finally

        The UK has Sellafield, a disastrously toxic NPP. And now Fukushima will make it even worse over there. And obviously, not releasing statistics never made anything better, just reveals that it is obviously way worse.


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    • We Not They Finally

      Daisy207, good for you! Me, I took one look at Al Gore's famous graph in "An Inconvenient Truth" and looked up on ask.com (I think it was) whether warm air simply contains more CO2 than cold air, and the answer was "yes." I've thought ever since that the environmental movement was shanghaied in the wrong direction. And it's tragic because both human and monetary resources have been siphoned off as well, that need to be relating to NUCLEAR. Instead we're all excited about a gas that makes the flowers grow? Which then in turn gives off OXYGEN?


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      • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

        Stupid deniers will do stupid dying …
        First capitalisme fucks everything up , then trying to fix a capitalistic problem with a stinking capitalistic solution , then blame the logical corruption to be the real reason of the "invented" problem , never us..always empowering the psychopatic puppeteers…die already…vaporize all the dumb stubborn ego..sucks to be part of this species..or being locked up on the same planet with them..


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        • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

          Sorry for the boiling over , but this frog knows we are doomed in the status quo of humankind level of understanding priorities,
          and when i look around for an escape.. , the outside of this
          boiling pot , where the "chef's du cuissine" live the good life of an addict with unlimited supply , i can't see it..
          All i see in all directions are boiling frogs..in denial..or like me , blocked by my fellow human frog number's.. to move or reverse the situation..
          That the people responsible for the fire underneath , are doing everything they can to make it burn harder..more supply..is all a junk can think..
          A junky is despicable because it accept its own psychopaty when it knocks an old osteoperose suffering widow to the ground to steal her litle lifesupport…
          but these are the people that rule the world from behind curtains of lies..self-accepted psychopaths with bonusses according their addiction..and others..

          I observe how the media is ordered and corrected what to say..and this whole situation , makes my blood boil and the veins in my eyeball pop , and i sometimes wish it was behind us..
          sry about that..emotion..


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  • Time Is Short Time Is Short

    Someone made the comment TEPCO doesn't have the money to pay for any serious repair/remediation.

    How about having a quadrillion or two lying around?

    'Japan Enters The Keynesian Twilight Zone As Total Debt Crosses ¥1,000,000,000,000,000.00'

    "The country of course is Japan, and the debt number is one quadrillion. As of last night, the absurd has become real as Japan has officially announced its total government debt rose by 1.7% to ¥1,008,600,000,000,000.00.

    This represents about $10.5 trillion, is an amount larger than the economies of Germany, France and the U.K. combined, and is about 230% of Japan's GDP although at this point who cares: Japan will never repay its debt…"

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-09/japan-enters-keynesian-twilight-zone-total-debt-crosses-%C2%A5100000000000000000

    They could just add it to the corporate/.gov credit card.

    Money is not an issue. A large-scale effort would draw global attention and kill new NPP sales. So they spend a fraction of any cleanup cost with PR agencies, and all is well.

    In the meantime, the world watches the beginning of complete bio-collapse.

    I hope prayer works . . . because that is all that's left.


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    • The Japan news media is repeatedly crowing with delight about how Abe's financial plan is working and Japan is getting rich with new economic measures being implemented. TEPCO is announcing record profits this year.. Everyone is moving back to Fukushima, growing crops, catching fish, raising organic brown cotton, and more. The world is rosy and everything is peachy keen in the news world.

      In this upside down, backwards bizarro world where a mega disaster fixes all problems and a country gets richer after it happens, compared to before, maybe other 'miracles' are also possible?

      Maybe in this same bizarro reality, radiation can disappear overnight from across the globe. Maybe internal radiation is just breathed out or wished away. Maybe we can just pray the carbon away.

      Top Billionaires And Republicans Say Man-Made Global Warming Is Real, But Not Koch Brothers Or Carbon Monopoly
      http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/11/top-billionaires-and-republicans-all.html


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      • JKBK

        That is another big problem that many countries are facing as well and not only Japan. Many countries are printing huge amount of money to solve the economic problem that they are facing. Heard of helicopter Bernake? The Japanese are just doing what US are already doing.


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  • Crash2Parties Crash2Parties

    "In July, it was confirmed that some 300 tonnes of underground water, which included contaminated water, were flowing into the sea every day"

    300 tons. Good one! Try 300 tons + 300 tons + countless tons of contaminated underground aquifer water + continuous windborne air contamination…

    "I think also of the many Native nations in the US and Canada whose ancient ways of life depend on the 'big waters' of the Pacific"

    The writer forgot to add, "We must mourn the Noble Savage, dying at our own hand".

    Seriously, could this have been written any more patronizing and condescending toward people who don't/haven't/can't buy into the first world Capitalist lifestyle that caused the problem in the first place?


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    • mairs mairs

      I am amazed that anyone actually believes that a mere 300 tons of radioactive water, something actually measurable, is all that is flowing into the ocean. How about all the pieces of fuel from the explosion of 3 that peppered the water offshore. How about the underground river that surely rises in seabed freshwater springs that go unnoticed? I can't believe how leaden and sheeplike the press is.


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  • dukie

    Cs137 be nasty shlt bro

    Read what happened when 93 grams (3.3 oz) of Cs salt got passed around in Brazil..

    "The radiation source in the Goiânia accident was a small capsule containing about 93 grams (3.3 oz) of highly radioactive caesium chloride (a caesium salt made with a radioisotope, caesium-137) encased in a shielding canister made of lead and steel."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%C3%A2nia_accident


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    • mairs mairs

      That story is creepy, and so is the one about the old Russian batteries that were powered by nuclear materials. Two Russians found one of them in the woods. It was warm so they used it to keep themselves warm in the cold. I think they both ended up dying of acute radiation sickness. Imagine finding one of THEM out in the middle of nowhere.


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      • We Not They Finally

        When Steven Chu left the DOE, his parting gift to America was to authorize using metallic nuclear waste for the likes of utensils, belt buckles, and door knobs. Reckless stupidity seems to have no national boundaries.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    dukie, nice link and I loved the bleeding from the eyes.. :(

    Yes this is very bad nasty dangerous shit anyway one looks at it! It all should be banned..period!


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  • rakingmuck

    It more important to let the University of Oregon, NOAA and your Senators know how you feel as they PAID her!


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  • Funny, I just wrote up my longest article after seeing a few tidbits of information on Hawaii. Then I saw the ENENEWS article.

    This is good stuff, check it out. FUKUSHIMA IS IN HAWAII now.

    Large Mass of Possibly Radioactive Flotsam Spotted in Hawaii, aka We Killed the Pacific

    http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2013/11/possibly-radioactive-japanese-trash.html


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    • bo bo

      I just got curious and looked up Hawaii on tripadvisor:

      A poster simply asks : is it safe to visit ?

      Tripadvisor answer : In short, the answer is "not anything that would hurt you." Do not be misled by the brightly-colored map allegedly showing a plume of radiation across the Pacific. It's actually a map of wave height.

      No other answers. Just that.


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  • gello

    What goes around, comes around.
    Nagasaki and Hiroshima.


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  • gello

    What goes around, comes around.
    Nagasaki and Hiroshima were both used as an example of Americas new found destructive power in 1945.


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  • gello

    Sorry for the repeat. Getting a bit long in the tooth. And concerned for my family, with whom I can not discuss this ongoing tragedy. A


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    • Au Au

      No worries gello. Repeating a paragraph is harmless stuff as compared to what is spewing from Fufu(preaching to the choir, I know).

      You have company here in your worry over family. I wonder what we will be talking about this time next year.


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  • mungo mungo

    On Tuesday morning, a remote-controlled crane was used to lower a storage container cask into the pool. The fuel assemblies will be transferred into the cask. Once the cask is full, it will be lifted out and moved.
    Radiation levels around the pool are as high as 300 micro-sieverts per hour, so a day's work is limited to 2 hours per person.
    http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/news/20131126_35.html


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    They can't sleep at night? Ahhh.
    What if the nucleartards..really new the actual conditions.
    No one holds Heart's hand..during these bad dreams.
    Hope they aren't looking for sympathy.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Oops ..typo.."knew" the actual conditions"

    And for those engineers that know the actual conditions and chose to lie about it..there will many more sleepless nights.

    (I hope..eternally)


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  • Shaker1

    I'm with you Heart, no one holds anyone's hand, but these 'bad dreams' are the dreams of the guilty, the grossly egotistical, or the sociopath.

    Pattersonp has some good points, and I personally don't think he's a troll, but is there some mistake there, too?

    One admires another who faces death, those who can proclaim that 'it's a good day to die' or 'eat, drink, and be merry', etc. Unfortunately, the cultures that we create and use to teach may not ever be truly competent, and the lessons interpretative. For instance, is it a good day to die because one has a guiltless heart and therefore willing to accept change, which to me is implied in the statement, or one allows or attempts their ego to assume its power? Many of us lived through the nuke drills in grade school, and my personal way of dealing with it was a decided decision to ignore it. There wasn't anything I could do, and if the time came, oh, well…I remember that night distinctly, those nights before sleep with worry, and enjoyed the power of relief. Only later did I realize that giving up is an answer, but not the best answer, even if in the end I guess the outcome is the same. Most would agree about that outcome. But I believe that isn't a truly comforting solution, and just as those Christians or others who find 'comfort' in an end in which their god shatters their guilt in one grand conflagaration attended by angels and glorious fireworks.


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    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

      'It's a good day to die"..can get rather moral bound.
      It's meaning much more simple..
      Whether gathering herbs out on the open prairie.. or fighting for one's life.
      If one's is where one should be…at that moment.
      If one lives in the present..understands and feels it is right..it is a good day to die.

      Eat drink and be Merry..well each to his own.

      I didn't say that..fear,etc..was not appropriate.
      But many of us will have to control our fears…to try and help ease the fear in others.
      No ..not the nuke experts..claiming to be aghast..but those that are going to find this truly terrorizing.

      Like today..
      I'm breaking ice for water for my horses..
      It's a good day to die.


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  • Shaker1

    Didn't they miss the point, and the culture in which they've lived been deficient? Did they forget the lessons, the ability to forgive and be forgiven? Or maybe it started right at the beginning, there at the burning bush, when whatever was there answered Moses when asked with 'I am', and he assumed that it was a statement of power, not simple fact and a statement of imperative? Either way, the true lessons are lost, interpreted in the most dangerous ways. One can ignore the lesson and the danger and be satisfied. To each his own. But it's those who didn't interpret the lesson that gave us this, and, no offense, pattersonp, but they're your direct cousins, and whether one dies with a nightmare or a smile, it's agreed the outcome is the same. But don't you feel that a smile is a poor payment for the perceived difference?


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