“Eerie new phenomenon” attacking sea creatures on West Coast — Marine life disappearing from tide pools — Fish, octopus, mussels, urchins, limpets, sea hares “seem to be leaving… there’s something going on” — “Experts have no idea what to expect next” (VIDEO)

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Laguna Beach Independent, May 10, 2015 (emphasis added): Tide Pool Life Diminishes… an eerie new phenomenon, urchin balding, is attacking purple-spined sea urchins in Orange County tide pools, and local scientists are investigating this new mystery… tide pool conditions have worsened over the last year, said Jayson Smith, a Cal Poly Pomona marine biologist… Where once abalone, lobster and sea stars thrived, now sea hares, octopus, small fish, limpets and mussels seem to be leaving the scene, said Smith. The latest debacle leaves urchins with bald spots, where algae takes root, said Jennifer Burnaford, biology professor at Cal State Fullerton… Scientists have yet to understand the urchin-balding syndrome, said Smith… “Things are looking pretty poor right now,” he commented. Educators… report seeing fewer urchins at some tide pools and more empty shells. The once-prolific California blue mussels are also becoming increasingly sparse… “We appear to have more than just the sea-star wasting,” [Louise Thornton, chair of Laguna Ocean Foundation] said. “We appear to have something else going on. There’s something going on because the fish are disappearing.”

KUOW, Jun 16, 2015: Starfish Are Still Disappearing From Washington State… it’s unclear why the disease is hitting so hard… Sea star wasting syndrome is a gruesome disease and it spread to starfish all along the West Coast. Scientists still don’t know a lot about it.

KUOW, Jun 16, 2015 — Host: “Campbell says… the creatures continue to die.” Katie Campbell, KCTS reporter: “Scientists are telling me there’s just not that many left… When they are seeing some stars coming back, they’re just not seeing them grow to adulthood yet.” Host: “Wow, you mean they’re dying before they even hit maturity?” Campbell: “Yes… It’s very strange because this virus was in the water for decades. They found this virus in sea star samples that go back to the 1940s. So what sparked this virus that was seemingly benign to transform into this perpetrator of what’s considered the largest marine disease outbreak ever recorded?Host: “Do they know?” Campbell: “No, they really don’t.”

KION, Jun 18, 2015: Baby starfish vulnerable to wasting disease – UC Santa Cruz researchers said…  baby sea stars may be more prone to the disease. (Monica Moritsch, USCS Ph. D. candidate): “Right now, we have seen another spring pulse of baby sea stars showing up, and we don’t know if they’re going to survive the summer.” Researchers say unfortunately there’s nothing they can do to help those baby starfish.

CBC News, Apr 17, 2015: Researchers… suggests a virus is behind the die-off. However, although pathogen related death is natural, the magnitude of this epidemic is not. Experts have ‘no idea’ what to expect next… Harvell said the worst part is the uncertainty over the remaining numbers.

Dr. Drew Harvell, Cornell University, Apr 17, 2015: “In the places that we counted, we saw about 90-95% disappearance… The news is not good, we have lost a lot… We have no idea what’s going to happen next, I wish we did… We’ve heard reports from southeast Alaska that there is a fair amount of mortality occurring there now. There is a possibility that a third wave of this epidemic could be hitting there this spring.”

Alaska Dispatch News, May 12, 2015: Kachemak Bay sea stars found stricken with wasting disease… Brenda Konar, a researcher at the University of Alaska Fairbanks [said] creatures were stricken by the disease that is bringing lesions, disintegration and, ultimately, death. “They look like they’re falling apart. They’re melting,” Konar said… Konar and UAF’s Katrin Iken found disembodied sea star arms in tide pools, she said… the new epidemic is the largest and most geographically widespread on record… But what was striking about last week’s discovery was the number of affected sea stars — multiple animals rather than isolated individuals — and the oceanic location, Konar said. “These guys were in a totally oceanic environment where there are no salinity issues and no sediment,” she said.

KTVA, May 13, 2015: Wasting disease found in Southcentral Alaska sea stars – Sea stars in Kachemak Bay showed symptoms of a wasting disease, in numbers not seen before in Alaska… “Many scientists thought the disease was not going to come here because our waters are too cold,” Konar said. “This is definitely cause for concern.”

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  • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

    What's going to happen next? Hmmm, gonna get harder and harder to breath, not just Sea creatures dying, but all creature of Earth. Thanks to the rich. Thanks to the 1/4 of 1%. Thanks to the Nuke Cabal.

    Assholes.


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  • We Not They Finally

    They still say "epidemic," when they mean pandemic, or omnidemic. And since it is now more everywhere and everything will they never realize that there is ONE unitary cause, whatever its many manifestations? How clueless is clueless?


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    • WNTF? Endemic, perhaps? Of course, this generally only applies to a certain area or country. Can it be globally endemic?


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      • jo

        Yes it can eventually be globally endemic. Foods from the oceans will be toast.


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        • penny pt

          …but not the nice crispy kind of toast, which is so tasty with jam.

          Is Fukushima the only cause, though? I know this may sound crazy, but i have long suspected that the earthquake and tsunami which led to the Dai-ichi disaster, which (evidence indicates) were due to human agency, were a deliberate attempt to create plausible deniability for the ongoing die-off of the oceans. That die-off started sooner, and is largely a result of the shredded ozone layer and the horrifyingly high levels of UV-B and UV-C hitting the planet. And THAT is the result, largely, of injecting Al and other metals into the atmosphere, by the megaton (aka geoengineering).
          Also, Fukushima helped to advance depopulation, which makes some sick bastards happy.


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  • Canuck1

    I talked to a famous singer, she stated Fukushima is 6000 miles away. It will not affect us..All the money in the world does not make you smart..shes worth around 100 million. Stupid as can be..


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  • Admin, I think we should give Dana Durnford a nod here…

    https://www.youtube.com/user/BeautifulGirlByDana/videos

    Durnford is a self-described 'elderly cripple' who on a crowd-funded 'expedition for life' has spent months on his boat documenting the tide pools of British Columbia, much of it during the worst of the winter weather. Dana has been back at his home on the Sunshine Coast for about four weeks now, and has uploaded thousands of pictures and videos to his web site…

    http://www.thenuclearproctologist.org/

    Most of what Dana documented shows that there is very little life left in the tidal zone.


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  • cosmic charlie cosmic charlie

    Yes, eerie would describe the feeling an ocean as transparent and lifeless as a pint of everclear would give you. Too bad we have the creepiest president in our history too. And the way congress behaves? – it's just weird. It's a mad mad mad world…………


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    • Ya know what gets me about once a person is president? I imagine a secretary screen-er type batch of azzkissers just scanning the concerned e-mails and FLIP…into the goddam waste basket they go.

      A few selected approved ones may be called to his attention. Or he sees carefully constructed stats. At the beginning I actually politely used that white house page a couple times, where you can contact the president and tell him how you feel about any issue.

      Ya know what Mr. President? Now I feel like shit!…but was it good for you?


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      • We Not They Finally

        Who's looking at the e-mails from the public (and we used to e-mail too, before it was clear how pointless it was) is low down on the totem pole. Prez' appointments show the true colors. Timothy Geithner of Wall Street fame? No good could come of it. Steven Chu funded by BP? No good could come of it. John Holdren (science advisor) of Ehrlich eugenics fame (and now pushing chemtrails)? No good could come of it. Gina McCarthy, EPA chief as a reward for turning monitors OFF in the Office of Radiation Monitoring? NO good could come of it. The former Labor Secretary seemed o.k., but then NO ONE showed up in Wisconsin when support was desperately needed for unions to so much as SURVIVE.

        So Prez wasn't pushed around by the "they." He SIGNED ONTO the "they" before he ever stepped into office. The office didn't somehow just turn him into someone else.

        Even though the other party looks yes, scary-stupid-way worse.


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Hey, Cosmic Charlie. "Creepiest President" is, perhaps, undeserved. Perhaps you'd rather have one of those Republican hopefuls become our next Prez?
      http://joeforamerica.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Clown-Car.gif


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      • We Not They Finally

        That's why Jeb Bush will be pushed as "moderate." So we will all wind up just moderately dead.


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      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        bring back Mussolini, at least his intentions were clear. Get tired of the two faced, forked tongue thing

        Obama tippled the troupes in Afghanistan over what Bush had there. Guess we didnt have total control of the opium with only thirty thousand troupes, thus the need for more. And it costs nearly a million dollars per solder per year, which I think is considered beyond the value of a human life unless you are in a high tax bracket. Bill em and Kill em, the white house moto. Actually thats truncated from the original which was billem bombem killem rebuildem billem again. Oh the audacity


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        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          oops did I say tippled the twoops? Should read Tripled em.

          Kept Guantanamo…I say its only fair Cuba should have a torture prison in Key West…surrounded by Japanese military bases

          And dont forget the big O filled his cabinet with wall street shysters and Monsanto execs. A real moderate…I mean he could have chosen serial killers thugs and thieves….wait…DOH


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    • Charlie; Obama IS creepy! He's a lot creepier than Bush ever was, and I think this is because Bush was as dumb as dirt. Bush wasn't holding secrets in his stupid head (this is why Bush was kept away from D.C. on 9-11; so he wouldn't even know who did what and how..) Obama, on the other hand, seems to know a lot. But, he never speaks the truth to the citizenry. This, to me, makes him the most creepy president ever. (As much as I thought Carter was a pretty good guy, I think he was a bit creepy, too. He waited til well after his reign to tell some truths.)
      Besides, Obama seems to have enough of his own secrets to keep hidden, making him even more creepy, slimey, and smarmy.


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      • SadieDog

        Bush and Obama, two heads on the same snake… We should all learn from this rabbit. " Go rabbit! Kill the snake!". – https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WQjvAHNrzi8


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      • stinkyperfume stinkyperfume

        Then I conclude secrets are creepy. Yes, sneaky and creepy and yet they have the bold, arrogance to them as in the case of a consciousless LEO in the negative ego. I conclude they don't feel guilt because they work for the dark forces and know it full well. I research the latest findings, they all want a better earth but the creeps and dark side exists to force this to happen while the other's work on free will changes and that way people can deal with mistakes that can appear as creepy as if they did it on purpose. The jury can't exist to judge as it's over the ability of nearly anybody and unknown..


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  • dunkilo

    Industrial disease…Dire straits ,the band name says it all.


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  • We Not They Finally

    “Many scientists thought the disease was not going to come here because our waters are too cold.”

    I believe that yes, there is global warming — even huge releases of methane from under melting ice sheets will further warm the ocean. And HAARP is an "ionospheric heater" which CREATES global warming. A lot of reasons to think that the Earth is getting warmer.

    But to think that gazillion of creatures are dying because the ocean is running a slight temperature? That's bonkers. Brain-dead. Unfathomably dim. They have no capacity to think outside some box that someone handed them along with their grant money? A few articles ago, it was "It is too early to say that this is happening because the water is warmer." That's what she was looking for as primary cause? No, Ms. Scientist. It is just happening despite that you are too stupid to think for yourself. The state of so-called mainstream science is truly appalling.


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    • Canuck1

      no global warming its global cooling–the sun has stopped its sun flares..happens every 309 years..Britain will be the first for the mini ice age


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      • We Not They Finally

        Britain may go Ice Age because the jet stream is so disrupted. Part of that happened during the Gulf Stream disaster (a "loop" of the jet stream curves into the Gulf of Mexico.) A scientist named Gianluigi Zangara clocked that one in the summer of 2010. But the Earth as a whole is going WARMER. Do check out Dane Wigington on geoengineeringwatch.org. There is also A LOT of statistical monkeying around. Modeling for the Weather Channel is done by Raytheon — yes, the weapons manufacturers! — who also hold patents for HAARP. Their interest is to selectively report the weather to make it seem cooler. Actually not true.

        The whole subject, of course, has been made deliberately confusing! And many bad elements are pushing global warming while omitting the hugest culprits of all, then instituting "remedies" (like chemtrails) that are killing us. So us, we don't buy any "standard line," but yes, there is global warming.


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    • stinkyperfume stinkyperfume

      Scientists keep coming out saying they realized they were wrong and that they were thinking they were entitled to earn millions of dollars, and admit to selling out. It's hard to feel sorry for them because of the damage of a traitor but their loyalty was to the grinding Matrix they thought was a good system and went to it's best colleges and expect the best of rewards for good grades and spend too much money, then starts the justifications to pay the debts…the student loan is the biggest and most non-bankruptable loan out there that masses of degree seekers fall for…other's realize it's nuts and draft up a phony degree with lies causing troubles….If nothing else is done immediately, getting rid of all student loans forever would help this earth a lot. They want better educated people so why burden them with debt? Were they trying to create liars out of people using debt?


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  • own_quality

    It's like the beginning of some bad apocalyptic B movie. It's really getting serious and almost no one knows about it. How much longer before panic begins?


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    • We Not They Finally

      Have always thought that many MANY people will be getting ill before there is any public panic over radiation, but by then, so many people ill that they haven't the energy to panic! Food shortages would do it for "panic," though. California is being droughted out, and the bees are being killed off. Lots of balls in play here — not just Fukushima.

      Or some huge geologic disaster like an earthquake. Then there are the VERY manipulated "panics," like suddenly there is some freaked-out virus from some lab. Say, this subject is getting distinctly unpleasant (no wonder.)


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    • harv33021

      I imagine it will be a long time before panic sets in. People have to know there is a problem first and the media is not going to point out how serious the situation is. Also, the deaths will be under reported. When the people start to drop in the streets they will call it sun stokes or some other silly shit. It will be a huge mistake to count on the media or government for any direction or help. It is not going to happen and what in the hell could they do at this point anyway. There is enough radiation in the air, water, food and on the land to finish most of us off already. Not to mention the fact that the radiation pile will continue to grow forever. Helloooo. Eventually there won't be anyone around too even try to clean up all of the old nuke plants. We have taken a major dump in our own nest. Somehow this reminds me of that idiot US Army officer, in Vietnam, who claimed we had to destroy the village to save it…. Awh crap, I think I will just have a box of chocolates.


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      • stinkyperfume stinkyperfume

        Gonna eat chocolates? You can't eat sugar harv33021 because it feeds cancer from the radiation. Maybe you can cheat a little if you detox with chlorella in gobs bigger than the chocolate you ate. Yes they will say it's sun strokes and excess heat killing everyone, this is clear because they already say it's ocean and global warming and heat can kill. But we have an oddity this year on the West Coast of California in Los Angeles, it's cloudy…we were told on the news of record breaking heat of 100 this week and it's not happening.Enough radiation leaked we should be dead right now but it's kind of obvious ethereals are working very hard on this, were seeing spaceships out here in San Pedro, CA. An orange one on 6/29/2015.


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  • cannotdo1 cannotdo1

    enenews went viral the other day so hopefully th e gp will tàke notice soon.


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  • Ki11more Ki11more

    "Experts have ‘no idea’ what to expect next…"
    Now i don't have some fancy degree, University Position or any funding…but i guess we can expect many more incidents….with many more consequences….sadly we can also expect even less answers.

    All its gonna take is for a fair sized group of whistleblowers to open up…sadly nuclear is a cult and the faithful follow blindly towards apocalypse….

    but…I can live in hope….. shut them down… enough already…


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  • from a distance from a distance

    Take the poll:

    Do you agree that Saudi Arabia must NOT focus on nuclear power

    (scroll down to end of article for poll)

    http://gulfnews.com/opinion/thinkers/saudi-arabia-must-not-focus-on-nuclear-power-1.1540888


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "Eerie new phenomena"

    That is 'phenomena '?


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    “Experts have no idea what to expect next”
    Why?.. because they refuse to investigate all the possible etiologies?
    Surely, they have pathological indicators for the progression of the various diseases and conditions presented.

    That being ..mortality?


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  • Marcie

    Experts can expect more death. Of everything that tries to live in this toxic mess. I didn't go to a particularly fancy college, but they were pretty clear when they were teaching us what radiation does to living cells. It's not really that complicated. Catastrophic 3 core nuclear meltdown + sea creatures up and down the food chain dying at rates never before seen = radiation killing everything in it's path. If you have to breathe air, eat food or drink water you are in it's path eventually. The fact that it is killing 50 ton whales should give everyone pause. And it didn't take very long.


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  • Jebus Jebus

    The bottom line, and only the bottom line, is why it's not Fukushima.

    Algae blooms come and go, Fukushima is forever…

    Coastal Algae Bloom Is Proving Toxic For Washington Crabbers' Bottom Line

    “Dungeness crab is the single most valuable species fishery on the West Coast,” said Larry Thevik, vice president of the Washington Dungeness Crab Fisherman’s Association, and a crabber for 45 years.

    “If we have more of these episodes it’s going to be pretty devastating,” Thevik said, adding that he does not disagree with the state’s decision to close 38 miles of the Washington coast to Dungeness crab harvest. “We wouldn’t want to err on the wrong side of the public safety issue and have someone get ill and have that translate into a market crisis.”

    Commercial and recreational razor clam harvesting has been closed from Grays Harbor south to the Oregon-California border. Dan Ayres, the coastal shellfish manager for the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife, said it was not easy to turn people away from the beaches in early May, but the risk was too high.

    http://www.opb.org/news/article/coastal-algae-bloom-toxic-for-crabbers-bottom-line/


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  • weeman

    Live with nature, not for nature.
    We must come to a realization, we need a revaluation on our mind set as a species and ask some very fundamental questions, an enlightenment if I may speak frankly, it not just about us or you.
    We are supposed to be the keeper of the gate, after all we are the ones that have the biggest impact.


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  • Bio-accumulation avoidance. Radiation avoidance. These subjects glass the eyes of all I know over due to absolutely zero understanding of the context as to any meaning of the terms. I have herded and milked much smarter Holstein cows, than most of the people I must endure 'mi Vida loca' now with…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5iD_er3Fb4


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  • mt1000

    Anyone hear about troubles at Peach Bottom NPP?


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  • Tumrgrwer Tumrgrwer

    Exelon found tritium at 37,700 picocuries per liter, higher than the 20,000 picocuries per liter drinking water limit set by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

    20,000 picocuries per liter drinking water? Seems a trivial amount, no?


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  • Tumrgrwer Tumrgrwer

    "We already knew that tritiated water acts like ordinary water and passes right through the reverse osmosis membranes and activated carbon cannisters of a desalination plant.
    Radiation damage from tritium can be insidious and long-lasting, producing mutations and cancers, especially in the rapidly dividing cells of fetuses, children, reproductive organs and the blood-forming organs. The relatively weak beta radiation from tritium does not penetrate far into the body. The danger comes from within in something of a Trojan horse attack. Tritiated water travels everywhere that water goes. So tritium can be used instead of hydrogen in the biosynthesis of DNA and other bodily components. With a half life of 12.3 years, a tritium atom in a DNA strand is a potential bomb, able to change that DNA, sometimes leading to cancerous or mutant cells. No matter how small the amount of tritiated water, there is no known “threshold” dose, i.e. absolutely safe.*

    * G. Edwards, Health Dangers of Tritium Emissions, via Google. J.B. Little, Radiat. Res. 1986 Aug; 107(2):225-33. A.Rasmuson, et al., Mutat. Res. 1988 Mar-Apr;207(3-4):127-33.


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  • DeadAhead DeadAhead

    This video was taken in 2014 but WTF does anyone know about this is it haarp or radiation on the clouds any comments http://www.thirdphaseofmoon.net/ufo-sightings-haarp-exercise-over-ca-strange-glowing-clouds-explained-2015/


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  • DeadAhead DeadAhead

    "Scarlet Begonias"

    As I was walkin' 'round Grosvenor Square
    Not a chill to the winter but a nip to the air,
    From the other direction, she was calling my eye,
    It could be an illusion, but I might as well try, might as well try.

    She had rings on her fingers and bells on her shoes.
    And I knew without askin' she was into the blues.
    She wore scarlet begonias tucked into her curls,
    I knew right away she was not like other girls, other girls.

    In the thick of the evening when the dealing got rough,
    She was too pat to open and too cool to bluff.
    As I picked up my matches and was closing the door,
    I had one of those flashes I'd been there before, been there before.

    Well, I ain't always right but I've never been wrong.
    Seldom turns out the way it does in a song.
    Once in a while you get shown the light
    In the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    Well, there ain't nothing wrong with the way she moves,
    Scarlet begonias or a touch of the blues.
    And there's nothing wrong with the look that's in her eyes,
    I had to learn the hard way to let her pass by, let her pass by.

    The wind in the willow's playin' "Tea for Two";
    The sky was yellow and the sun was blue,
    Strangers stoppin' strangers just to shake their hand,
    Everybody's playing in the heart of gold band, heart of gold band.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WLAJ-yjTAo


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  • DeadAhead DeadAhead

    Why were on the subject about HAARP are these clouds busting haarp in action http://www.theufochronicles.com/2015/06/mysterious-ufo-beam-filmed-over.html


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    • cosmic charlie cosmic charlie

      Strange how the beam pivots from the bottom and then suddenly it pivots from the top. I have never witnessed anything in person that would cause me to think of ufo's but that video was pretty freaky. Thanks for sharing.


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  • Marushka Marushka

    Direct exposure to radioisotopes, bioaccumulation and biomagnification plus mutations of microbial biota (bacteria, fungi, virus…) can create 'new', virulent assaults on lifeforms, wasting disease being one kind of new development. Cesium is a marker for a whole lot more lethal radioisotopes, cesium absorbs into muscles and organs, strontium into shell, bone, teeth…. it's all poison.

    Microbial Biota is Section unto itself.
    “Chernobyl: Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment"
    by Alexey Yablokov, Vasily Nesterenko and Alexey Nesterenko
    NY Academy of Sciences, Volume 1181, 2009.
    5,000 Slavic language studies reviews, over 1,400 cited.
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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Tepco Lies.

    Lie #1. "Cold Shutdown".
    Truth: Ongoing criticalities, proven by large quantities of Iodine-131, with a half life of 8 days.

    Lie #2. "Corium in Containment Vessel".
    Truth: Corium ate through the reactor pedestal, and out of the foundation.

    Lie #3. "Contamination Limited To Harbor".
    Truth: 1,000 tonnes of contaminated water per day are washing corium into the Pacific Ocean.

    Lie #4. "Decommission Plan"
    Truth: Tepco has no foggy clue how to go about cleaning up their mess.


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    • PlowboyGrownUp

      #2 and possible other reactors, someone posted this recently: 'reactor 2's core vaporized and was vented to the atmosphere' https://tekknorg.wordpress.com/2015/03/20/ejection-of-all-fuel-from-reactor-2-confirmed-by-speedi-and-jaec-in-2011/


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      • We Not They Finally

        That makes no sense. Corium doesn't just "vaporize." And if it were "gone," then how come the reactor 2 is still so "hot," that no one can get near it? Don't believe everything you read. It's a crazy enough world as is, without people making stuff up.


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        • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

          Physical properties of cesium:
          "Cesium is a silvery-white, shiny metal that is very soft and ductile. Ductile means capable of being drawn into thin wires. Its melting point is 28.5°C (83.3°F). It melts easily in the heat of one's hand, but should never be handled that way! Cesium's boiling point is 705°C (1,300°F), and its density is 1.90 grams per cubic centimeter."

          Read more: http://www.chemistryexplained.com/elements/A-C/Cesium.html#ixzz3eAvxObQT

          If the corium was 2,200C, that is above the boiling point of cesium, which is 705C.
          More below.


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          • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

            "Uranium is a silvery, shiny metal that is both ductile and malleable. Ductile means capable of being drawn into thin wires. Malleable means capable of being hammered into thin sheets. Its melting point is 1,132.3°C (2,070.1°F) and its boiling point is about 3,818°C (6,904°F). Its density is about 19.05 grams per cubic centimeter."

            Read more: http://www.chemistryexplained.com/elements/T-Z/Uranium.html#ixzz3eAxYstTj

            If the temperature of the corium was 2,200C, the uranium melted, but did not vaporise.


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            • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

              The Little Boy Bomb destrpyed Hiroshima, Japan at the end if WWII.
              "The Little Boy was 120 inches (300 cm) in length, 28 inches (71 cm) in diameter and weighed approximately 9,700 pounds (4,400 kg).[18] The design used the gun method to explosively force a hollow sub-critical mass of uranium-235 and a solid target cylinder together into a super-critical mass, initiating a nuclear chain reaction. This was accomplished by shooting one piece of the uranium onto the other by means of four cylindrical silk bags of nitrocellulose powder. The bomb contained 64 kg (141 lb) of enriched uranium. Most was enriched to 89% but some was only 50% uranium-235, for an average enrichment of 80%.[19] Less than a kilogram of Uranium underwent nuclear fission, and of this mass only 0.6 g (0.021 oz) was transformed into a different type of energy, initially kinetic energy, then heat and radiation.[20]"

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Little_Boy

              Again:
              "Less than a kilogram of Uranium underwent nuclear fission, and of this mass only 0.6 g (0.021 oz) was transformed into a different type of energy, initially kinetic energy, then heat and radiation.[20]"

              You would think that the heat of a nuclear explosion would be hot enough to have vaporized all of the uranium in the bomb. But, apparently, not so.


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        • PlowboyGrownUp

          I don't know all the details. Maybe some or a lot of the melted corium came out while some or a lot vaporized. https://tekknorg.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/nrc012.jpg
          But yes, most things will vaporize with enough heat. Happens all the time in welding, when iron is cut with a torch, what happens to the iron that was in the gap cut by the torch? A little falls out molten and cools in little beads, but a lot is vaporized.


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          • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

            Right,
            PlowBoy.
            "Dr. Gordon Edwards, physicist and court certified nuclear expert, Feb 11, 2015 (42:30 in): “The heat from the disintegrating atoms raised the temperature to 7,000°F, and the cores of 3 of those reactors melted right down to the bottom of the reactor, and some of them maybe melted right through into the ground below.”"
            The above is from the thread: "The big question", currently on ENEnews.

            7,000F will vaporize uranium and cesium, every isotope in the corium.
            If the corium heated up to 7,000F, a great part of the corium could have vaporised.
            Personally, I don't see evidence in atmospheric radiation for vaporized cores.
            But if fission was (is?) going on within the corium, the temperature may well have exceeded 2,200C.


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      • Certain LIGHT elements, such as Xenon, Kryton, etc, vaporize easily when a nuclear reactor core melts down, and 100% of those elements are released as a GAS.

        So there is no wrong or right on this question. some elements vaporize 100% with a meltdown, and the heavier ones do not vaporize 100%.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    When the people got sick at the Love Canal, a few homes were evacuated.
    When Catrina struck, we lost an entire city.
    When BP lost a drilling platform, we lost the Gulf of Mexico.
    When Fukushima blew, we lost the Pacific Ocean.

    Progress?


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  • uncomfortablynumb

    One more damn supposed expert who claims they don't know what is going on….absolutely amazing….the lying SOBs
    A lot of interesting and good comments on this site…Thank You
    ENENEWS has always been a good source even though they are the messenger….don't kill it.
    Kevin Blanch on You Tube "tells it like it is" if you really want to get pissed off


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    OT: The Supreme Court has just made gay marriage legal throughout the US.
    WOW!
    Equality under the law turns into the law of the land.
    How could they have possibly justified any other decision?
    Remarkable.
    The euphoria from yesterday's Supreme Court affirmation of Obamacare continues. :)


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  • The Lords Prayer

    Our Gaia, Who art in danger,
    Sustainable be thy name,
    Thy renewable energy resources come,
    Thy Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s will be done
    On Earth as it is in the upper atmosphere
    Give us this day our daily organic ciabatta
    Forgive us our carbon emissions
    Though we can’t forgive those multinationals who emit against us
    Lead us not into excessive plane travel
    Deliver us from genetically modified crops
    For thine is the moral high ground
    The onshore wind farms and the subsidies
    For as long as the taxes can be raised. Amen.


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  • Homolumina Homolumina

    “Eerie new phenomenon” attacking sea creatures on West Coast…"
    The only thing that is eerie here are those nest poopers, and those who tell us it is not poop that is soiling our home and poisoning us and all life to death, but something good and desirable we need. It is also eerie, that the majority of the earth population is in a hypnotized dream state, walking over the cliff, directed by the scum who keeps pooping into our nest and feeding it to us.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Just saved a baby bird this morning from my cat..the bird was very grateful.. and I could see it in her eyes..we need to stop poisoning this Earth!


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    • aunavoz

      Hi Obe .. just a week or so ago I also saved a fledgling sparrow.

      My cat brought him in the house and I didn't notice she had a bird when I let her in. Being a cat she was quite proud to bring her prize to me.

      I grabbed her and threw her back outside. She dropped the bird and he hopped away out of sight.

      Long story short .. it took me over six hours to catch my little cheep cheep. Cute little guy with a lot of personality .. just shy of.getting his wings.

      I found a.utube video of sparrow calls . And we chirped to each other to bring him out of hiding.

      After he wasn't terrified of me bouncing around the whole house .. I was able to throw a towel over him and get him in a box I had poked holes in.

      I called my.vet .. and they referred me to our local wildlife and rescue sanctuary. I was advised to just put him outside.

      The parents still feed them while on the ground and flightless for a few days .. and with much trepidation I followed their advice. After all a 6 hour chase was a good sign he was healthy they said.

      I kept the cats inside for a day and went to check .. no sign of a body or feathers .. threw some birdseed out.

      Had three fledglings and two adult sparrows feeding .. I went to throw some more seed out .. they scattered .. but one stayed close on the fence .. I cheep cheeped to him .. I swear he looked right at me. :)

      Very rewarding .. and yes .. all creatures great and small deserve our compassion.


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      • aunavoz

        Some birds have been shown to be smarter and more adept at problem solving than dogs.

        Anyway .. the sanctuary also said sometimes in addition to seed .. they mix in some fruit or also smash frozen peas in the feed.

        I gave my cheep cheep family a cut up plum yesterday .. they scarfed.it!

        Regards Obe.


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      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Yes, very similar for me but I placed the little sparrow in a box with some seed and then put the cats in the office. Let the little one calm down and then out of the box she came to live another day.

        I feed seed to the birds all the time and we have many this year which is a great sign especially after 2011 and 2012 with Fukushima causing all kinds of biological havoc and barely a one.

        The seed from the feeder lets some drop on the ground and the cats just lay in wait for them to land to get what is on the ground and then bam caught. I will rig a secondary catch for the seed that drops and that might help keep the little ones safer.

        Enjoy all the animals immensely and love all that is considered nature! :)


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      • penny pt

        Birds are actually brilliant – way beyond human capacity – at spatial reasoning. If humans have an edge in any types of intelligence, it is only due to our ability to use language to communicate. But even there, i wonder.
        I once freed a seagull that had gotten its leg stuck in a picket fence, just beyond my compost pile. Before that event, the seagulls had feasted there daily, but afterward, for over 2 years (at which time i moved away) nary a gull was to be seen at the banquet. Just sayin'…
        Wish i could say the seagull i helped was grateful, but it looked far more terrified than anything. Unless crapping all over me was its way of saying thanks. ;)


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  • We Not They Finally

    Buckey Balls are a vast and grave danger to all life on this planet.If it is too late..Then perhaps Coriums spells the last gasp of life.Before it vanishes for good.


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  • from a distance from a distance

    Germany is having great success phasing out of nuclear energy.


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    • Nuclear is in decline globally. Only despot ruled countries are still messing around with it and nuclear weapons.

      Everyone else has moved on.

      The nuclear monster is DEAD, and it is falling. Some brain cells just have not stopped firing yet.

      Celebrate and keep tipping it good. Never give up.

      Global Decline Of Nuclear Energy – New Renewable Energy Production Now Outpaces Nuclear And Is Cheaper Than Coal Or Nuclear Power
      http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/07/amory-lovins-global-decline-of-nuclear.html


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      • from a distance from a distance

        Well, there's good and bad news. Here's the good and bad news mixed together.

        Pay attention to this stuff, folks…

        (1) Saudi Arabia and France are in negotiations for a nuclear energy deal. Saudi Arabia wants to build 16 nuclear reactors

        (2) MIT is working on an offshore floating nuclear power plant, that will float 8 miles from shore

        (3) Turkey just issued a license for their first nuclear power plant.

        (4) There's a faction in Australia pushing hard to get nuclear energy there

        (5) Barbados joined the IAEA

        (6) Sweden plans to close one of its largest reactors, Oskarshamn, in the next 2 years

        (7) Vietnam and Russia are cooperating for nuclear energy in Vietnam

        (8) Finland has scrapped plans for a 4th reactor

        (9) Romania plans to sign a deal by the end of the year for 2 more nuclear plants

        (10) Hungary is working on nuclear energy expansion

        (11) Plant Vogtle in Georgia is continuing in construction of its 2 new plants and has received final loan guarantees from the DOE

        (12) Florida looking to build 2 new plants at Turkey Point

        (13) Pakistan is set to build 2 more nuclear power plants near Karachi

        (14) Russia collaborating with Nigeria to build nuclear power plants

        (15) India is signing contracts with GE and Westinghouse for 6 nuclear power plants

        (16) Japan has finished construction on the worlds largest floating solar plant

        (17) New reactor in Watts Bar Tennessee is almost done


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        • from a distance from a distance

          (18) 2 new nuclear power plants being built in Summer, South Carolina

          (19) Duke Energy wants to built nuclear power plants near Gaffney, S.C

          (20) Maine's Governor Paul LePage wants to litter Maine with small nuclear reactors

          (21) Britain plans to build new plant at Hinkley, but Austria threatening to sue

          (22) Ukraine plans to cancel agreement with Russia for 2 new plants at Khmelnitski, but they may sign with someone else to build them

          (23) Bechtel to pay the DOE $800,000 re: Hanford waste treatment plant

          (24) Japan unveils the world's largest wind-capacity floating wind turbine

          (25) The DOE is pushing the advancement and licensing for Small Modular Reactors

          (26) China and Argentina in talks to build 2 new nuclear power plants in Argentina

          (27) China wants to build 58 gigawatts of nuclear generating capacity


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          • cannotdo1 cannotdo1

            Several quotes come to mind from the madness of plans to build reactors at a distance.  what code said about humans being more brutal and murderous than our cousins the chimpanzees comes to mind. only chimpanzees would not be so stupid to keep building nps after chernobyl and fuku.
            The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men, 
            Gang aft agley, 
            An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain,
            For promis'd joy! 
            (The best laid schemes of Mice and Men
            oft go awry,
            And leave us nothing but grief and pain,
            For promised joy!)

            Foolish consistency is the hobglobin of small minds adored by statesmen theologins and scientists alike

            My what a tangled web of death and murder we weave when we practice to decieve.

            What other species tortures their children and young by irradiating them to cancer and radiation sickness and birth defects?
            leaves massive nuclear waste everywhere?
            http://rt.com/usa/fukushima-us-children-thyroid-291/
            I write sharon brown about her involvement with modular nukes. what can we do?


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    • Homolumina Homolumina

      Germany does NOT have nuclear war heads – that makes it easy to drop out of the game, isn't it ?


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      • cannotdo1 cannotdo1

        Homoluminia it is all a scam and a big ugly lie. detonating 1 or 2 nuclear bombs in america or fr would cause all 100 nuclear power plants in the united states with their fuel pools. that would be the equivalent of ten thousannd bombs each npp x 100 equals 1 million bombs which would further lead to humans dying en mass and all 400 known npps and the other 600npps going off. The meme that there can be even one hydrogen bomb detonated in the world strategically or non strategically is so stupid. it cannot happen. it is such a no brainer it makes me wanna pull my hair out.como pendejo


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        • cannotdo1 cannotdo1

          not attacking you homolum just sayin


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        • Bungalow Phil Bungalow Phil

          Nonsense. You should qualify your statement as your opinion. Do some research.
          Nothing personal, nor will there be a discussion on my part.
          Have a nice day.


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          • cannotdo1 cannotdo1

            hey bungalo phil. no r u referring to me. a snowstorm could knock out a nuclearbpower plant. thet said a fuku or chernobyl would never happen. they even have lied aboutbnuclear pp vulnerability to terror all these years.who needs links from science war charlotans to make acommon sense point. i dont have to quote links and do endless cut and pastes to makeba point. one bomb could set off npps by wash dc ny city boston. like a carrington effect there would be a dominoe effect. just gotta keep building thosebnuclear bombs and keep those warmongers goin eh phil. i provide lotsa links know a lot about science


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            • cannotdo1 cannotdo1

              sorry phil. i am not angry w u i just hate nuclear. maybe it would take 4 or 5 h bombs by nuclear power plants in the east and midwest to immediately take down the grid and cause an immediate radioactive storm on top of wats already coming from fukus but not the thousands of nuclear warheads stocked by the usa russia china france briton


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  • rogerthat

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-26/very-recent-huge-increase-quakes-game-changer-oklahoma-oil-gas

    Very Recent Huge Increase In Quakes A "Game-Changer" For Oklahoma Oil & Gas

    … That is how regulators themselves described the spate of earthquakes that struck the state between June 17 and June 24 …


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  • from a distance from a distance

    "How Bill Gates Has Gotten Energy All Wrong"

    "Bill Gates was a genius in building the PC as we know it today. But his track record in energy isn't looking nearly as successful."

    http://www.dailyfinance.com/2015/06/17/how-bill-gates-got-energy-all-wrong/


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  • from a distance from a distance

    Good for Gregory Jaczko

    “Former US Nuclear Regulatory Commission chairman Gregory Jaczko yesterday said that nuclear energy is playing an increasingly insignificant role in electricity generation worldwide, and that, contrary to popular belief, it is actually more expensive than a range of methods of energy generation.”

    http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2015/05/24/2003619043


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  • Bungalow Phil Bungalow Phil

    I think money is a measure of how deep the involvement in dark activities the source may be. In other words there are few sources for big money that don't have a dark origin. It trickles down and all who benefit are demonstrably entangled.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    And to think they will soon not only be taxing both the husband and the wife that has to work to just make ends meet, but now they also will be taxing.. both of their heads!

    That would be called double taxation! Thanks Nuclear! :(
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3140442/Forget-Game-Thrones-dragon-double-trouble-Rare-two-headed-leatherback-lizard-hatches-breeding-centre.html


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  • This is kind of Macabre, yet you need to know the decimation of the West Coast Seals, tables and charts that bring it home real quick.

    For every 30 seals admitted, 20 go out in black bags

    http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2015/06/pacific-seals-dying-enmasse-charts-to.html


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  • Jack Danger

    I recall Humboldt State University (HSU) in Arcata, CA ran an article in the Eureka Times-Standard related to this starfish phenomenon. HSU is quite proud of their biology program and large research vessel. At the risk of misrepresenting them, I believe it can be summed up as a mystery they're investigating. Radiation potential was NOT in the text. I've searched their site for anything related to academic/student study of radiation in the environment and the topic is conspicuously absent. People should not assume the local university represents the inquisitive young minds of their children, or has the interests of the community at heart. I see no welcomed die-off to the sea life clinging to my boat or slip. But all of the redwoods would have to turn brown before someone would publicly question radiation.


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