Emergency plan activated after ‘massive’ crack found in dam near nuclear site — Official: ‘Serious problem’; Failure risk ‘sufficiently high’ — NOAA: “Potential for rapid increase in flows” — Gov’t: Flooding could release radioactive waste from Hanford (VIDEO)

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Seattle Times, Feb. 28, 2014 (emphasis added): ‘Serious problem’: 65-foot crack found in Columbia River dam — A massive crack in a major Columbia River dam poses enough of a risk of dam failure that Grant County authorities have activated an emergency-response plan. […] “At this point we already know there’s a serious problem,” said Thomas Stredwick, spokesman for the Grant County Public Utility District (PUD). “We want to make sure the spillway is stable enough that inspectors are safe when inspecting it. […] This is a situation that’s really changing as more information becomes available” […]

Seattle Times, Feb. 28, 2014: There’s no immediate threat to public safety from the crack in the Wanapum Dam […] Stredwick said […] officials analyzed the divers’ data and decided Friday that the failure risk was sufficiently high that they should notify other government agencies […]

Columbia Basin Herald, Mar. 1, 2014: [T]his large of a crack has never been found on a Grant PUD dam. […] engineers noticed something unusual on the water level […] the crack, which spans the entire length of the dam, had formed about 70 feet under water.

Oregon Public Radio: Worst-case scenario is if the spillway was to topple. But Stredwick thinks other sections of the dam would hold on and downstream communities should be safe.

NBC News, Mar. 1, 2014: [NOAA’s] National Weather Service issued a flash flood watch for Grant County through the weekend as the water is drawn down because “the potential exists for a rapid increase in flows from Wanapum Dam.”

Eugene Weekly, Nov. 27, 2013: Dam failure was also examined, [David Swank, assistant VP at Columbia Generating Station] says, using flood maps provided by the Army Corps of Engineers […] “Flood level would not get to the plant,” Swank says, providing nothing has changed in the 30 years since the mapping was done. […] “It’s always tough to say with certainly that a facility is 100 percent prepared for an unknown disaster,” says Geoff Tyree of the Department of Energy. He says the DOE has looked at the possibility of the worst-case scenario where the Grand Coulee Dam partially fails on the Columbia River. He says that flooding could result in the release of radioactive material from portions of Hanford into the water, but he says that same water would dilute the radiation to a very low level off site […]

COLUMBIA GENERATING STATION FINAL SAFETY ANALYSIS REPORT (pdf), Dec. 2011: Grand Coulee Dam is ~250 river miles upstream from the CGS nuclear reactor, while the Wanapum Dam is ~60 river miles from the reactor and ~30 river miles from the Hanford Nuclear Reservation.

Watch the Reuters interview with Stredwick here

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  • tbg

    Sweet, it gets better and better for washington. Is it just me or have the 1% lizard men who love radiation decided fuck it, lets run up the stock market, get all the gold and lizard snacks, and pop off a few nuclear "accidents" to get rid of the rest of those pesky lizard snacks so they can lay out on the irradiated rocks without putting their lizard snack suits on?

    Or are we just having an incredibly bad stretch of luck with our poorly conceived now fucked beyond fixing forever poisons? Meh, does it matter anymore? Open up washington, maybe we're about to get it from the other end too.

    • tsfw tsfw

      As out there as that sounds, nothing would surprise me at this point. And it's more comforting that accepting that human beings have done this to their own children.

    • dosdos dosdos

      Just in time for snow melt season.

      • ocifferdave

        CRAP.

        At least there hasnt been much snow this year here.

        • DragonTat2 DragonTat2

          Snowed a foot in Bellingham, at the top on the west coast at sea level, a week or so ago and another several inches last night, with more predicted today … before tomorrows rains.

          • GQR2

            Shit! a foot of snow at sea level- that's very very unuasual isn't it? Like it happens…never? someone correct me if i am wrong. Thanks for the report DragonTat2

    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      one factor you left out, tbg, is the fact that the Internet is a decentralized medium for distribution of breaking news. In the past, you had to rely on API and UPI distribution. With the creation of sites like ENENEWS, you now have the means to read reports being sent-in by others, from around the world. For those who are unaccustomed to these emerging aggregates of news information, these ongoing stories seem unusually overwhelming. Truth is, for the last hundred years, much was withheld from the public…

    • rakingmuck

      Bit of both. When Moniz was approved by the Senate Committee chaired by Ron Wyden, knowing Moniz knew nothing about nuclear clean ups, Wyden begged him to go to Hanford to hear what the whistle blowers were saying. He did – and fired them. Glad a new crop has sprung up.

      • Jebus Jebus

        Too bad nobody was paying attention when he talked new nuclear power. It's all about the dollar signs, in their eyes…

        Legislature to study if state should re-examine nuclear power

        A bi-partisan joint Senate and House task force of the Washington legislature will study the feasibility of more nuclear power in the state.

        Right now, there is only one nuclear plant operating in Washington, one located on the grounds of the Hanford Nuclear Reservation and now operated by Energy Northwest. The plant is the only functional nuclear power facility borne from the failed Washington Public Power Supply System (WPPSS) that still stands as the largest public bond default in U.S. history back in the 1980s.

        http://www.king5.com/news/local/Legislature-to-study-whether-Washington-should-re-examine-nuclear-power-245465461.html

        Gives new meaning to the term, rinse, repeat…

        • Angela_R

          Jebus "Legislature to study if State should re-examine nuclear power"

          they haven't realized? They bowed to the god of the underworld and his fruit is death and destruction. Oppenheimer knew that.

      • Jebus Jebus

        I wonder if these float?

        Mini nuclear plants in WA's future?
        The Senate Energy Committee unanimously approved a task force that will study whether the state should add more nuclear-generated power to its energy mix.

        A bipartisan recommendation to explore whether the state should consider more nuclear power is going to the full Washington Senate.

        On Tuesday, four Republicans and three Democrats on the Senate Energy Committee unanimously approved a bill that would create a task force to study whether the state should host more nuclear power. "It'l be an exciting task force to be on,"said the committee's chairman Sen.Doug Ericksen, R-Ferndale, and the bill's sponsor.

        http://crosscut.com/2014/01/21/under-the-dome/118393/olympia-considers-more-nuclear-power-in-washington/

        Bill Gates thought the term was YIMBY…

        • 21stCentury 21stCentury

          THX Jebus 4 pointing this old dog to this report done by McCullough Research Group December-2013…

          http://www.psr.org/chapters/oregon/assets/pdfs/economic-analysis-of-the.pdf

          Back in the day… I was one of the anti-nuke beagles sniffing out the Ground Truth at Satsop & Trojan, sending my photos & reports to colleagues in Portland & Olympia.

          All my old records of that campaign got burned in a housefire 20 years ago, but reading the McCullogh annotations helps me to remember bits&pieces.

          • Jebus Jebus

            YW, 21st, we are all one voice.

            I was born a downwinder as all of us are.
            I have lived here all my life
            Right next to Trojan.
            I was in jr. high when Trojan was built.
            My next door buddie's dad worked there.
            The stories of mistakes and waste in the build.
            They stole the place blind, with their lunchboxes.
            I saw the protests, too young to understand.
            Then TMI. I understood a bit more.
            Then Chernobyl. That moment I knew for sure.
            I watched Trojan's tower drop amongst cheers and tears.
            This is who I am. Now I have grandchildren.
            Fukushima brought this to the surface in an instant.
            This is inside me. This is my destiny. Very powerfull.
            Anyone who is here for what is inside them, knows this.
            It is Mother Earth enlisting life, to fight for life.
            Every life that has existed, every life that will exist.
            Every day that goes by it is stronger. Undeniable.
            Something inside gives the courage to fight for life.
            All life. The future. The creatures. The one Earth.
            It is becoming the meaning of my existance.
            It's why I was put on this planet. I am here…

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGeXdv-uPaw

  • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

    Well this sure is a plot twist!!

  • Ontological Ontological

    Have to wonder when safety requirements for inspection were abolished. One way to clean up the mess, flush it down river. I am impressed with any Salmon that have survived!

    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      Interesting theory, Ontological.

      WIPP closed. Hanford tanks leaking. Time constraints. Now what?

      'Crack' in dam. Lower water levels for 'safety'. Dump tanks in all the extra water flowing downstream.

      Problem solved.

      What people don't get, is now that Fukushima has destroyed the Northern Pacific and North America (soon the world) safety at nuclear facilities no longer matters. There is no incentive to follow any safety guidelines whatsoever, and if anyone anywhere complains, the maximum exposure guidelines are raised.

      If we're all going extinct anyway, why not save the billions on safety measures to increase management's bonuses and dividends for all the wealthy people that own all the stock in nuclear? Yes, they and their families will die horribly, too, but in the greatest of comfort.

      We cannot imagine the horror being unleashed upon us, for purely financial gain.

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        I think I need to mail them a donut. They need it. They need everything. send them this Jeep Compass. If they will stop. And my banana. It's all brown now, and it may be a little squishy, but it's theirs. They can have it.

  • Dugisme Dugisme

    Well that is just great.

  • Cisco Cisco

    "There’s no immediate threat to public safety from the crack in the Wanapum Dam." Geeze, for a minute there when I red this, I thought this might be a problem; but, apparently there's no need to be concerned…right now.

    I guess all those folks downstream must be relieved. WTF!

    • NoFixedID

      'no immediate threat' = nookspeak for 'the disaster will play out over an indefinite period of time'.

  • Ness Ness

    Have they got a core on the loose at Hanford? What better way than to throw a river at it! Better bury it, before someone(s) get suspicious. Mysterious cracks indeed……

  • Cisco Cisco

    It's a good thing the Congress had the good sense and foresight to to fund the billions required for infrastructure repair and maintenance instead of giving all of our reserves to the banks, big oil, and the MIC. It's comforting to know our leaders are looking out for us

  • shamwow shamwow

    The wheels are coming off everywhere.

    WWW III is about start after we overthrew the democratically elected leader in Ukraine (whether we liked him or not)with a bunch of anti semitic Neo Nazis under a pretense to have democracy. Let's see how that works out.

    We were warned for years that the infrastructure in the US was crumbling and now we see the clear result of this with this dam about to fail. All this is in proximity of Hanford nuclear site which it turns out stored their waste in the great out doors. This could turn into a real witches brew.

    And I was worried about Fukushima. What is next? Alien invasion anyone?

    • Shaker1

      "What is next? Alien invasion anyone?"

      I would think that anything intelligent enough to travel here from some faraway place would sit back with whatever they recognize as pizza, popcorn, and beer to enjoy the show. Why spend resources invading when we'll do the dirty work for them and they can waltz in and clean up the mess (or not)? I would also imagine that if those aliens haven't broken some dimensional barriers, they'd learned patience from long space travel, and the last 70 years or so is just another stellar reality show, a mixture of Survivor, Hunger Games, Wives of Nashville, and Sharks.

      Hey, @^^$&**!, Look what they're doing now…

      *)Y&$^#, nothing surprises me from them. I gotta pee…

      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        Shaker1…On Alien TV tonight- The Real Humans of The Third Planet from The Sun-Milky Way Edition- The Final Season. 🙂

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        The Great Martian War 1913-1917 . Watching it was creepy. It may be shown in post 99 percent world as real history. It has the History Channel logo on the screen. Just creepy movie.

        • flatsville

          PattieB says Obama went to Mars. Maybe he was thete as an official Earth "war observer."

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            You have to be on a special list to get the call alerting you to an available jump window…

  • rogerthat

    the magic words … no immediate threat

  • Cisco Cisco

    "The Wanapum dam was originally licensed in 1955 for a period of 50 years. Construction was initiated in 1959 with initial beneficial operation in 1963. The initial license expired in 2005, after which the Grant County PUD operated the dam on yearly license extensions while negotiations for license extension proceeded. The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission approved a license extension of 44 years for both the Wanapum dam and the downstream Priest Rapids dam on April 17, 2008."

    Re-licensing a dam built for a 50 year life, for another 44 years of operation. Sound familiar?

  • jec jec

    HUGE dam, and very concerned people living down water (downwinders) who were assured..never will fail. Guess what..its failing. A 'flash flood' warning as they open the flood gates? It could scour out a lot of river beds and flood plain areas. This is not flat farm land, hilly, mountains and coules. The biggest flood plain..is Hanford WA. In the plans somewhere is how fast and how much time it takes to drop the dam levels to a safe level. Problem is with a crack all the way across..70 ft down, a bulge in one area..has it scoured out anywhere?

    At least the news media is reporting this, the birth defects and finally on Fukushima. Not much on WIPP. All focus is on EU and Ukraine/Russia. Guess POTUS needs to focus on homeland, huh?

  • earthsmith earthsmith

    And the classic…..the water will dilute it to very low levels. yes all to familiar.
    the heros given power will never learn that they can not control the forces of the universe, whether it be here or in space. Pathetic are their plaques' and trophies but not as pathetic as their own lies they are trained to believe. IT IS INSTITUTIONALIZED

  • kaygee1 kaygee1

    Sure looks bad for US. There is all sorts of "safe" radioactivity to seriously affect at least 1/3 of country. They let the nuke factories in OH dump "low level" radiation into our drinking water(Lake Erie). We have high rate of multiple sclerosis and aggressive MRSA in the area. Sounds like conspiracy? Coincidence? Naah! Don't worry the government has our back?? right!

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      This entire nation is screwed and it's time to shut all these Nuclear pollution factories down!

  • irhologram

    "Worst-case scenario is if the spillway was to topple. But Stredwick thinks other sections of the dam would hold on…"

    It seems more logical that the worst case scenario is a "hole in the dike" 70 feet under water, where the dam is cracked all the way across… (Is this a 65 foot-wide crack all the way across the dam or is it a hairline crack and the dam is 65 fee wide?) What is the depth of the spillway (surely not 70 feet.) Why would the spillway split off if that area if it isn't 70 feet deep? If it is, why wouldn't that volume of water take out the sides of the dam? What is the width of the spillway? What volume of water would flood through the spillway to Hanford 30 miles downstream? Is the crack too deep or too gaping to fix? Are they trying to plug it? If not, didn't "the little Dutch boy" already tell us its impossible for the dam to hold without plugging? Doesn't that make "the Hanford flooding disaster" inevitable?

    "…would not get to the plant,” Swank says, providing nothing has changed in the 30 years since the mapping was done…". They don't even knew for sure the lay of the land, the topography?

    Well, there you have it, folks. IMO they are possibly telling us… in newspeak… that Hanford will be washed to the sea. Are there also potentials for criticalities?

    • ocifferdave

      You think critically.

      I would seriously consider electing you to local public office with a mind like that.

      • Time Is Short Time Is Short

        Anyone serious about reform gets 'JFK'd'.

        That lesson is not lost on anyone seeking public office.

    • I'm picturing a massive crack, 65 feet wide, with entire concrete sections warped out of position.

      • earthsmith earthsmith

        "providing nothing has changed in the 30 years since the mapping was done…" troubling for sure…kinda nonchalantly, like the use of our tax dollars.

    • Irhologram, here is an excellent local article that answers at least one of your questions: http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2014/feb/28/potential-failure-situation-developing-at-wanapum-dam/

      I drive beside the Columbia almost every day to and from work; by this dam. It is enormous. The crack itself is some 70 feet below the water and it is two inches wide by 65 feet long. I have to say that I am impressed that something which could so easily have been hidden from the public, has been broadcast.

      But yes, if it goes, it will push an enormous volume of water right past Hanford….and we already know that is leaking into the Columbia. I agree with Shamwow…the wheels are coming off everywhere, and we are in for a very wild ride.

      • " I have to say that I am impressed that something which could so easily have been hidden from the public, has been broadcast."

        Yes, there are still a few honest people left.

        • Discordian

          I'll bet the information was leaked (no pun intended) at the beginning.

          Seems the only honest folks left on the inside are the whistle blowers.

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        If a volcano burps…

    • Ness Ness

      I'm no expert and no one knows what exactly is present at the location. There is always a possibility of a criticality (runaway chain reaction, increasing in probability) when there is too much of that stuff in one place; but that would take active cores/globs that have accumulated mass over the decades.

      Fission in stacked heaps of spent fuel is very probable, but fusion less so. Fission cannot be stopped by water but it would take the heat away from a core that is about to start up a dangerous fusion process, whereby extremely heavy elements can be produced.

      In that case the core or glob has long ago reached critical mass. Should criticality occur, the last thing you want is water, imo. Globs use the energy produced to burrow themselves deeper because of their incredibly weight, and deeper down would mean less harm imo. If you pour water on a glob it stays at the surface for much longer.

      If no flood happens and you see extremely bright blue lights coming out of that plant, there is a criticality going on. This would not be a bad thing, actually, again imo. Because with the light you also get rid of a lot of radiation that otherwise would pollute the environment, and it goes straight up and out of gravity's reach. But the light would also expose the cover-up of course.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation
      **A critical mass is the smallest amount of fissile material needed for a sustained nuclear chain reaction.**
      http://en.wikipedia

      • Ness Ness

        Btw if no flood happens, nothing much would happen. If there is a core buried there it has been buried for quite a while, decades, and there is no reason it would suddenly ignite. But should it ignite, there will be blue light escaping. Or smoke, or there would be explosions – a runaway chain reaction, with much more extremely nasty fusion going on than fission. People would surely notice.

        The plant itself is decommissioned, but there is plenty of waste spread out in a small area – and another nuclear plant nearby. All that should not be washed away or be endangered by stupidity, neglect and panic because the effects of the pollution from that (possible) core are showing up in birth defects that now become obvious. People are less likely to panic if they understand what is going on.

        It may be there are leaking barrels they cannot remove anymore without extra means or money because they can't get near, or have no other place to move to. Some barrels might also be too unstable to remove other than with extreme care. And all that would cost money, and people might notice.

        It is lies that cause uncertainty and fear, leading to suspicions. That are sometimes correct. You can hide crimes with lies but in this case the bodies always turn up.

      • mayibfrank

        Ness I was reading sometime ago about one of the whistle blowers at Hanford. The article discussed how they were pumping out fluid wastes from tanks that were leaking into new ones. What they found was a layer of sludge that they left behind. The sludge was tested and had stuff in it that was unidentifiable. I thought "New". Some folks were worried as to the possibility that stuff could be or would go critical.

  • atomicistheword

    Have any of these bone heads heard of risk assessment?

    Oh look a fault line?
    Oh look a dam?
    Oh look a Tsunami area?
    Oh yes solar flares?

    What sort of people are so sure of themselves that they risk extermination by their stupidity?

    Anyone care to name and shame?

    • Homo Insapiens Homo Insapiens

      I was independently thinking "So who, precisely, give first and last names please, approved the re-licensing for this dam?"

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    "There’s no immediate threat to public safety from the crack in the Wanapum Dam […] Stredwick said […]"

    He is talking in the code. "No immediate threat."

    Tell your friends and family. Tell the county sheriff. Then run like hell. Don't walk. Bicycle, pogo-stick, skateboard, whatever, just go.

    • tsfw tsfw

      Bahaha @ the mental images you guys give me. Pogo sticking to safety might be the best one so far.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      Here is a dam that posed no immediate threat until just moments before it broke

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfW5MqT7CSA

      • irhologram

        Codeshut down… no biggie, but from the comments section of your link:

        The dam didn't burst, nor did the spillway gates fail. The generator and turbine common to all hydro plants weigh many hundreds of tons and spin at very high rates of speed. I had one hydro supervisor tell me, "that's 160 tons spinning at 150 rpm." If something happens where the turbine or generator catastrophically fail, this is the result. Released mechanical energy. That is all.

        Several posters said the utube clip misrepresented itself.

        I believe that when this 1 mile wide 92 feet tall wall of water bursts the dam, it will look different.

  • Socrates

    There were these animals who dragged themselves out of the ocean and evolved so that they could swing from trees. A neocortex grew enough to allow these apes play with fire. Then one ape split an atom. He was very happy with himself, and, to his great delight, he found that he could cause big explosions,and, in fact, blew up other apes. Soon, the other apes all followed suit. They able to blow up their entire planet eventually, and could even boil water with the waste to produce something called electricity, which replaced fire.

    But huge amounts of waste accumulated as these apes multiplied exponentially. Soon, they all killing each other because the planet could not feed them all. Floods, earthquakes, and tsunamis swept the entire planet washing all the waste into the oceans and rivers.

    The apes could not protect themselves because some apes had become so greedy that they would not contribute bananas to pay other apes to work until, one day, the dam broke and earthquakes, tornadoes, tsunamis, and ever other apes, released all the waste into the air, water, and upon the land. All the apes died, and even the other forms of life on that little planet died out too. But little bacteria somehow survived.

    • Homo Insapiens Homo Insapiens

      (reposting)

      A pale blue dot
      drifts about an average star
      in one unremarkable galaxy
      amongst uncountable many.

      From the abundant savanna
      apes emerge
      and name themselves
      Sapiens.

      Apes freely choose a new kind of fire
      to boil water most unwisely,
      naturally selecting themselves
      into silence.

      The cosmos so vast
      and without obligation,
      swirls in slow motion
      and frigid indifference.

      • Donald Shimoda Donald Shimoda

        (Originally posted by rnix)

        "The crucified planet Earth,

        should it find a voice

        and a sense of irony,

        might now well say
        
of our abuse of it,
        
"Forgive them, Father,
        
They know not what they do."

        The irony would be

        that we know what
        
we are doing.

        When the last living thing

        has died on account of us,
        
how poetical it would be
        
if Earth could say,
        
in a voice floating up

        perhaps

        from the floor
        
of the Grand Canyon,

        "It is done."

        People did not like it here."

        —–Kurt Vonnegut A Man Without a Country

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        All the hydroelectric and wind power sources one could possibly ask on the Columbia River at this location.

        A nuclear plant is built at this spot.

        WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY?

        Did they ask Fox news where Armenia was?

          • unincredulous unincredulous

            No, they couldn't have just built a wind power station on the Columbia River…

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4IiOJhUQ7o

            • unincredulous unincredulous

              I can understand the opposition by some and I know people have tried to build a wind farm there.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyIX3SXHyvs

              But what I don't understand is why a wind farm has to have those big propellers! I can think of several designs and I am not an engineer.

              I think Jaques Coustea sailed a boat that had a tower and no propellers instead of a sail…

              And a squirrel cage fan on it's side could certainly work… it could have a cover over it painted camouflage.

              A big funnel structure could catch wind and funnel the wind downwards to enclosed turbine fan blades…

              It's a beautiful country and the attitudes of these opposing forces is understandable but…Beauty at the expense of a planet? It really is that serious, people.

              It looks like it may get really ugly there. On the other hand, if the place is all radiated, who would be there to complain about some wind turbine fan blades? What a way to get to acceptance.

              • or-well

                Giant towers with giant propellers takes giant investment which puts it in the corporations hands.
                Small scale cylindrical designs – of which there are many being explored – allow for less centralized applications.

                • unincredulous unincredulous

                  Favoring the 1 percent who only care about bringing "good" things to life. Like Hanford.

                • unincredulous unincredulous

                  But, if it must be big, so be it. Make it huge, really #@$#%%$! huge. Turn the blades toward where the most people won't see it. Install a cloaking device, for $%$#$@! sake. Make a giant thing so big no one notices it. Paint the sky on it. Big as Truman's fake world…just shut down the poison factories, please!

                • flatsville

                  Exactly. Utes can retain control of generation with giant wind farms.

                  A public utility in one state (private corp) managed to tie up the lion's share of the state's RES dedicated funding by pledging to build a wind farm rather than provide more rebates/incentives to homeoeners/businesses for solar. The wind farm still hasn't been built, but people are clamoring for more solar dollars…and the wimd farm won't even be built in state when it does happen.

              • unincredulous unincredulous

                Maybe above ground, they could build sails. BIG sails with colorful images, maybe even some new high tech tv screen material that would be changing colors. Changing the rigging so that the sails turn a gear underground. 50 sails controlled in tandem, arranged in an arch, or circle, to drive the gears somehow.

                Boiling water not required.

    • Hot and Bothered Hot and Bothered

      Now everybody's dancing the dance of the dead.

      http://youtu.be/HTcv197-m1M

    • chevvvy chev

      except the diluted carnivores! 😉

  • tsfw tsfw

    Who here watches Modern Family? There is nothing subtle( at least to me) about their Fukushima sound bites. I've mentioned before that they've recently been placing starfish around their set. In the last episode two characters mention a metal taste in their mouth on 3 occasions and it was a real stretch to fit that into the dialogue – almost didn't correlate. To the crew on Modern Family – keep it up! it's not going unnoticed!

    • bo bo

      @tsfw – Weird ! I noticed your post a while back about starfish…that was a 'hmmmmm' … but mentioning 'metallic taste' for no apparent connection to plot / dialogue … that gets even stranger. Keep us posted. Most likely one of the writers are using guerrilla tactics to speak up within the confines of heavy crackdown to silence any mention of the topic.

      We've reached North Korea levels of having to decode messages embedded in mass media 🙁

      Oscar opening usually covers year events… the biggest joke told will once again be the one that never gets told, while radiation continues to attack L.A.

      • tsfw tsfw

        "We've reached North Korea levels of having to decode messages embedded in mass media :(" Bo you're right, what a frightening thought!

        I agree the presence of the starfish alone wasn't very convincing, especially if you didn't see the way it was portrayed. It was the way in which the cam would zoom in on them-sort of veer from the focus of the dialogue occurring at the time, and quickly zoom right in on starfish that were not previously a part of the set. I'm into house design, so I notice every detail in the sets of my tv shows. The metallic taste episode was it for me, no doubt in my mind now. I wish I could find a clip for you. Does anyone know how I can extract a clip from a show I have on my computer? I'd love to start sharing them with you.

        • Socrates

          Mommy, Mommy, I have that weird metallic taste in my mouth!

          Shut up, kid, and eat your GMO Wheaties! The corporations know what's best. One more outburst like that and I'll supersize you!

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        If I could have decoded the Pilot episode of "The Lone Gunmen," I would have been promptly sent to the funny farm…

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    "He says that flooding could result in the release of radioactive material from portions of Hanford into the water, but he says that same water would dilute the radiation to a very low level off site […]"

    "dilute the radiation" more code. Run.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Run, run, run, run like hell, and take nothing with you! 🙂

  • jec jec

    Priest Rapids Dam is down river of the failing dam. Wonder if the opening of the flood gates at both dams will cause flooding issues..

  • irhologram

    "…is a situation that’s really changing as more information becomes available,” Stredwick said. “But there’s no immediate threat to public safety.”

    Wanapum, just below The Gorge Amphitheatre and the hamlet of Vantage, is in a rural area. Failure would primarily impact fisherman, orchardists, farmers, boaters — and, of course, power generation. Wanapum currently can generate more than 1,000 megawatts of power.

    PUD officials have lowered the water 6 feet behind the dam since discovering the problem earlier in the week, leaving many boat ramps above the dam inaccessible.

    Authorities plan to let water levels drop another 14 feet by Monday.

    So far the PUD has been able to continue meeting all of its power needs, but Wanapum is such a big electricity generator the utility may ultimately have to turn to buying power on the open market.

    Even if the dam doesn’t fail, the significance of the damage is likely to require extensive repairs and that, too, could impact the entire Columbia River system.

    “All these dams coordinate to generate energy on a regional scope,” Stedwick said. “If Wanapum is impacted, that has impacts on dams up stream as well as below.”

    Officials with the Bonneville Power Administration (BPA) declined to comment on the potential impact to power generation because they did not want to unduly influence energy markets.

    http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2023019385_wanapumdamxml.html

  • dosdos dosdos

    "No immediate threat to public safety, no immediate threat to public safety, no immediate threat to public safety. Gimme a cracker, squawk!"

  • irhologram

    More from the article…Kevin Wingert, a BPA spokesman, said the immediate impact would be an increase in flow from Priest Rapids Dam downstream, which would temporarily exceed the low flows needed to protect chinook salmon redds (nesting holes) through the Hanford Reach area.

    He expected flows to return to normal once the drawdown was completed.

    Wanapum Dam was built in 1959 and is more than a mile long. The piers supporting its 10 spillway gates are each 65 feet wide, 126 feet tall and 92 feet deep."

    And: "this week, an engineer noticed a slight irregular “bowing” above the spillway gates near where cars can drive across the dam.

    When divers finally took a look under water they found a 2-inch-wide crack that stretched for 65 feet along the base of one of the dam’s spillway piers."

    So it appears the 2 inch crack is, for now, only in the spilt, way area. But in newspeak, that will change.

    So… the dam is a mile long.

    • "…the immediate impact would be an increase in flow from Priest Rapids Dam downstream, which would temporarily exceed the low flows needed to protect chinook salmon redds (nesting holes) through the Hanford Reach area."

      AS IN

      "Never let a good crisis go to waste." -Rahm Emanuel

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs6TgitlNIA

      Need a alternate reason for the absence of salmon? Dam crisis to the rescue!

  • GQR2

    It supposed to rain and snow for the next several days.
    there have been so many seismic events in the Pacific Northwest, look out people.
    Anyone up there in the vicinity who can say how the weather is right now?

      • GQR2

        How is the weather there ocifferdave,is it raining now 8:11 am PST ?

        • ocifferdave

          Its snowing!

          • ocifferdave

            Its now raining.

            • GQR2

              Hiya OD how is it this morning?
              i checked on line but still wanted to hear form someone up there. Unbelievably nerve wracking and we are not done. Not by long shot. Does anyone appear to be evacuating ? i'll bet not.

              • ocifferdave

                I brought it up at work this morning, they just shrugged. They make jokes about Fukushima. I have to roll with it and get them laughing with jokes, too, and they seem to listen to half of my Fukushima dialogue because of it. It's like adding sugar to medicine.

                Roads are a sloppy mess with ice, snow, and puddles everywhere.

                Wasn't raining when I went outside.

                Wait. I hear the roof noise of rain.

                I just checked. Raining cats and dogs here now.

                • GQR2

                  These are the types of people and its most of us,i'm afraid who will wait until they hear a disaster horn blow,if the authorities can get their act together. i would leave quietly at this point in time. And oh damn it a sloshy icey mess on the roads. That means lots of extra time needed.
                  Situation FUBAR. How are you seeing it ? people just shrug? wow the disconnect is terminal.

                  • ocifferdave

                    It might help that we are 1,000 + feet up above sea level.

                    When you drive down to the Columbia, it seems so far below.

                    It would shock us all how high it really would get if they all blew.

  • bo bo

    Wanapum dam… is trying to One-up Fuku..?
    Naaaa… nothing can beat good ol' Fuku !

  • shamwow shamwow

    Maybe the release of Zohydro an extremely powerful new Rx opiod drug and the legalization of Pot in several states is the answer to a population needing high pain killing and radiation effects subduing drugs.

    What is happening in Hanford and New Mexico may not be isolated. The whole US is ready to blow with more failing dams and nuclear power plants.

    They are getting ready to profit or at least keep victims 'happy'. We will need plenty of drugs to ease the pain of radiation poisoning.

  • mairs mairs

    "He says that flooding could result in the release of radioactive material from portions of Hanford into the water, but he says that same water would dilute the radiation to a very low level off site."

    How to turn a minus into a plus. It's all good… the water will spread it around but don't worry, a small amount of plutonium won't hurt you.

  • irhologram

    A 92 foot deep by over 1 mile long body of continually flowing water does just how much damage, allowing for spreading to the side? How fast does that volume of water go? A 2 inch crack 65 feet long that's 22 feet from the bottom is unquestionably going to go. I don't see how draining down 20 feet by tomorrow, when the problem is down in the spillway 50 feet more (I realize resistance will be less and may help the bow) is going to work. how does draining on the surface affect the speed of deeper water? And WHY do we have both a bow and a crack? Wouldn't the sequence have been that the whole spillway structure was subject to more pressure than it could withhold (failed) and then it cracked at the point the pressure was greatest? So how, again, will relieving pressure at the top help?

    According to the Seattle newspaper link I posted above, they say they aren't saying more because it would affect the price of energy that is going to be imported. Which is bogus, too, because you've got to know, insiders know this is going down.

    • irhologram

      Ene-ers…I'm seriously requesting an answer regarding whether a dam break is inevitable based on a theory that the dam bowed overall, and then cracked at a depth under high pressure in an entire structure failure. Also, 20 feet of water would increase the flow rate, wouldn't it? How would that affect pressure in deeper water as both hit the dam?

      • Lowering the water level by 20 ft reduces the pressure against the dam at all depths.

        Hydrostatic (water) pressure against the dam is a function of depth.

        Using a slight oversimplification and using

        http://www.calctool.org/CALC/other/games/depth_press

        Today the pressure at 70ft is 45.8 psi, or 6600 lb/sqft.

        On Monday the pressure at 50ft will be 36.9 psi, or 5300 lb/sqft.

        The pressure at all points on the face of the dam will moderate as the water level is dropped, until when water level is zero, the pressure is zero.

    • Questionit

      Take my response with as being based upon assumptions as key information is not known.
      The lake on one side of the dam is 90 feet deep, the river is not near that deep. But if the pier goes there will be a huge flow as the lake drains. Flow will be based upon depth of water held back and size of failure. Decrease either and you decrease flow.

      They seem to be talking piers on each side of each spillway gate. Piers make me assume large 65 foot wide concrete sections that give support to the spill gates.

      Think of the pier as a fence post holding back water. Water pressure increases with height and the total force held back is max at the bottom. Max at the bottom is the sum of all the pressure on the post top to bottom. Decrease the height of water and there is less force trying to shear the post off at any depth.
      Also consider the overturning/bending effect of height and force. Push on the post higher up and it creates more bending or overturning. Lower the water means less force at a lower height and thus less bending effect.

      Why the crack and what kind? Was there a weak point and the horizontal force pushed the upper pier sideways. Is the pier too weak in bending resistance and it's started to bend back. (This would cause a wide crack on the upstream face but might not on the downstream face.) Did the foundation fail, perhaps a flaw in the rock strata below the pier?

      Full failure is NOT certain. Water shooting out this crack would be a bad sign.

  • 21stCentury 21stCentury

    At Hanford the underground plume of migrating contamination has already reached the open flowing water of the Columbia River.
    This plume contact to the river was partially slowed down by the installation of a curtain of ion-exchange wells using phosphoric acid and calcium in an attempt to collect the Strontium-90.
    This ion-trap is installed just a stones throw from the river edge.
    The K-Basins near the river were removed, but the horrid mess left underneath them is still there in the 100year flood zone.

    –There is plenty of contamination constantly being lost into the river already, and any abnormal increase in flows will certainly flush out even more contamination that can be detected in sediments many miles downstream.

    I used to fish for sturgeon at Stella on the Columbia in the 1960's.. and when we got our fish tested wayyback-then, I gave up on eating that yummy smoked sturgeon.

    The volcanic explosion of Mt.St.Helens is proof enough that the whole region is geologically unstable, and the other half-dozen volcanoes in the area can heat-up within a few weeks and catch everyone by surprise at anytime.

    The entire nuke-industry has it's roots in warfare-economy.
    The goofy old veterans in top management have all had their bell-rung too many times. Despite having wayy more cheap geothermal energy available than nukepower, we got stuck with the "Atoms for Peace" BS because it's hard to weaponize geothermal.

    ……….morons!!

  • Socrates

    No immediate threat… translated: we really f..'ed up again, but you will not die immediately.

    Ukraine is taken over by Bandera – not Antonio. Klits pushed out of the way by skinheads who claim that they can reconstitute Ukraine's nuclear program. Pogram launched. Russian troops protect ethnic Russians in Crimea. Professor Francis Boyle claims this is overthrown 78, while Victoria Nuland's comments are intercepted wherein she declares, F.ck Europe!!!! She is married to Kagan. Neocons, neoliberals… so long as you impose austerity to pay back loans and privatize….

    Dams are breaking around Hanford nuclear dump. Wipp is a wimp and Fukushima teaches us the zen of fission.

    Fracking pollutes California water supply during 200 year drought while Keystone pipeline is rammed through.

    And they say this is not the planet of the apes. Einstein said that WW IV would be fought with sticks and stones. That statement was too optimistic.

    Climate change is here. That could be good except that all the nuke plants need to be moved to high ground as the ocean levels rise. Fat chance of that.

    I give things about two or three years before hell breaks loose, maybe less. Things are collapsing fast.

    • Sparky Sparky

      Soc, "I give things about two or three years before hell breaks loose, maybe less. Things are collapsing fast."

      I agree. I am heartsick for all, especially those that are in the immediate paths of these rapidly deteriorating, multiple disasters–knowing that we're ALL in the paths one way or another, some sooner than later. Enenewsers most impacted, please prep to evacuate.

      Blessings and thanks to all Enenewsers and Enenews.

    • Cisco Cisco

      Dead on Socrates! "I give things about two or three years before hell breaks loose, maybe less. Things are collapsing fast."

  • earthsmith earthsmith

    Tic toc
    tickety toc
    Rickety racket
    crickety crocks
    creaky rocks
    got the lot
    sucking on lollipops
    loop the knot
    humans drop
    bananas is the plot

  • Sparky Sparky

    Unfortunately, this really is a big story… 🙁
    I noted this in the OT forum yesterday, now, sadly, is the Disaster de'jour.

    Sparky
    March 1, 2014 at 3:37 pm
    Uh-oh: 65-ft. crack in WA state dam, Columbia River, "…no immediate threat…."

    http://www.nbcnews.com/#/news/us-news/65-foot-crack-found-major-washington-state-dam-n41811

  • Cdog Cdog

    Insane, proven to be leaking tanks that are made to last 20 years and not addressed. (nothing holds up to neutron bombardment for long) Anencephalic children being born around Hanford, and now a dam that was made to last 50 years with a 44+ year extension could fail and spread that brain-less causing witches brew over a greater territory? We are all so fucked by the greed of the .002%

  • irhologram

    Cdog. I think its potentially a bit worse than that. If a 92 feet wall of water a mile wide bursts the dam, Hanford electricity will be lost to millions. Its winter. You can't even buy food because electronic checkouts will be down. Once alternative energy has been purchased and hooked into the grid, it will cost more. There is farmland there. Both Hanford power plant and the leaking Hanford storage may be flooded. We're talking millions and millions of gallons of radioactive materials, released for uptake in the evaporation/rain cycle. The heartland (food) and the east are downwind of radiation particulate. Florida may be relatively safe. Except for vulnerability from their own nuclear plants.

  • Jebus Jebus

    Something smells fishy here. More diversions from Fukushima?

    Problems with the spillways are nothing new with these 60+ year old dams.

    The hydraulic pressures on these spillways, opening and closing, is tremendous.

    The maintenance performed routinely should have spotted this crack.

    Me wonders? Anyways, here's a pdf, with nice pictures, of the wear these spillways encounter. Wanapum is in there.

    http://www.bpa.gov/power/pg/NW-HydroOperators-Forum/2012/Wanapum_Dam_Spillway_Gate_Trunnion_Bearing_Session_3-Nathan-Manning.pdf

    Heads up people, something fuku this way comes…

  • Jebus Jebus

    This is from 2011.

    Wanapum is/has been leaking to the inside of the production areas.

    Excessive Water Leakage Into Wanapum Dam
    Controlled By New Generation Waterstop Technology

    http://www.emagineered.com/Wanapum%20Dam%20Case%20Study%202011.pdf

  • Jebus Jebus

    Here's another one that shows they should have found this long ago.

    WANAPUM DAM FUTURE UNIT INFILL PROJECT

    Reading it shows that the spillway structures are not able to withstand tip over by themselves.

    They had to be anchored by tension bolts. Ya, steel bolts sunk into concrete anchors…

    http://ussdams.com/proceedings/2011Proc/675-690.pdf

    • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

      Nice.

    • 21stCentury 21stCentury

      Jebus.. keep digging around those dams and you'll find that every dam on the Columbia has structural safety issues, and when you get a good look at the whole picture of how they are all interconnected you will see the entire infrastructure has become old & problematic.

      For 50 years I have taken every opportunity to argue this to everyone I encountered..
      For 50 years I have been pissing into the wind..
      For the past 50 years this "great nation" has been sitting on it's dead A$$..

      http://static.bangordailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/10016221_H10388967-600×436.jpg

      The anencephalic children being birthed near Hanford is tragic..
      ..and the anencephalic children this nation has endured in the political leadership has been a tragedy too.

      • Jebus Jebus

        Yep, I live here in the PNW. I am aware of the crumbling of the most powerfull renewable resource on the planet. #1 hydro.
        Ya think maybe that the nuclear powers that be are jealous and would like nothing more than "proof" that hydro is < nuclear.
        Even a jacked up lab could figure that one out…

        • 21stCentury 21stCentury

          BigHydro & BigNuke & BigGa$$Oil are all intermarried & interinvested at the top & middle, only on the street do they look independent. Like the branches of the military there are rivalries, and they are constantly shooting eachother in the foot.

          All this big infrastricture tied around our necks into the GRID.. ha, obewan calls it the MATRIX (me too)

          Lotta talk about Solar&Wind, but the off-grid folks need to keep focus on the big-picture as DECENTRALIZATION of all technologies and infrastructure including politics.

          Sen. Mike Gravel is a big proponent of decentralized politics, by flirting with Internet Democracy where we vote everyday and not semi-annual voting.

          EPRI has long upheld homepower as an important contribution to the total power picture.

          http://peswiki.com/index.php/Main_Page
          roll your own power..

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRbYiP0cJmg

    • jec jec

      Reading reading..this is scary..as a sailor.we know to keep our stainless chain plates (inside the hull) checked yearly. IF moisture get into them (its a BOAT) they can and do corrode and have to be replaced. Our stainless rigging.pretty strong stainless cable as we are 51 ft–is to be inspected and replaced every 15 yrs. So..what does the dam have? Cables, embedded and not able to be inspected..with a bit of extra water getting in there..whoops..

      See in the document the following goody:
      "anchors are completely embedded in concrete and basalt
      bedrock. They are not accessible for testing
      or inspection…Upon review of the original construction
      records, it was found that the first grout lift was not cleaned to remove latency prior to the installation of the second grout
      lift. This introduced the possibility of a path for moisture
      to the anchor tendons approximately 40 feet below the base of the FUI.Figure 2 shows the PT anchor location and the zone that may
      be subject to corrosion.Without means to verify the condition of the anchors, the FERC directed…"

    • jec jec

      JEBUS, you found a winner..look at the diagram in the document.The level where those anchors are into the dam itself..are about 70 foot down from the top of the dam(just took top elevention of dam–took off 70 foot..and TA DA). Now I dont know where the cracks in the 'piling' or the spill way or WHATEVER is, but those cable anchors insertions are in the concrete at that level in the dam. What do you think?

      A 65 foot long 2 INCH wide crack..which allowed operators to see a problem from the water elevation or flow of the dam..means its getting lower maybe?

      • Jebus Jebus

        I think that our POTUS should provide some of that war money to repair/replace our nations infrastructure or that whole spillway will soon tip over, releasing destruction upon the PNW, the likes of which we have never seen. The maintenance is necessary and inevitable. You just gotta wanna do it…

        On the bright side, it will all "dilute", when it hits the ocean…

      • irhologram

        Yes, but Feb. 8 2010, a mass concrete infill project, designed to meet sliding safety standards and has been completed. Yea! But its specifications are to 4,100 psi. Boo!(if the pressure will only drop to 5300 psi Mon. or Tues., after draining.) Detailed seismic analysis and design could not be carried out… since the basis of seismic analysis was not established(?) Boo! They did install manually read crack gauges to track relative movement between each of the monoliths, as well as the spillway. Yea! But as someone's post referenced, the "pier" may have displaced. I don't see a reference to piers in Jebus's info, so if so, either they didn't check the gauge or this happened suddenly. Boo! A Bering was shown cracked, in part due to its casing not completely encircling it (design flaw), the pins show burn marks that seem to have shredded a portion of the metal, the place is "creeping" (yes, that's the official word used), the Bering angles are changing, and there wasn't enough lubricant transfer in one report (does that mean they didn't oil it?)… and the speed of the rotation was near static vs. dynamic. Does that mean at a standstill? And they seem to suggest the whole trunion is misaligned.

        • Correction: The hydrostatic pressure at 50ft depth is 5300 lb/ft2 or 5300 psf. That equals 36.9 psi.

          But you can't just compare the strength of the concrete (4100 psi) against the hydrostatic pressure at 50ft depth (36.9 psi). It gets a lot more complicated when you consider all of the other ways that the concrete is stressed.

          Thankfully this doesn't interfere with your thoughtful analysis of the other facts, IR. Please carry on with the good work you do.

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      They should mount a little solar fan on top and blow some wind downstream. Might help.

  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    "technological solutionism" –Small Is Beautiful: A Study of Economics As If People Mattered–E.F.Schumacher 1973

    " He was opposed to the tenets of neo-classical economics, declaring that single-minded concentration on output and technology was dehumanizing. He held that one's workplace should be dignified and meaningful first, efficient second, and that nature (like its natural resources) is priceless." –Wikipedia

    This concept was largely deleted by the Reagan/Bush Admin. Probably both Carter and Clinton read it. Doubtful that either George W. or Obama have as my impression is that they don't read.

    "Schumacher proposed the idea of "smallness within bigness": a specific form of decentralization. For a large organization to work, according to Schumacher, it must behave like a related group of small organizations. Schumacher's work coincided with the growth of ecological concerns and with the birth of environmentalism and he became a hero to many in the environmental movement." –Ibid

    As for Ukraine let Russia deal with it. If the EU wants some new Nazis they can have western Ukraine; and the Russians can have the eastern part. The USA needs to stay home or another nation will be wrecked.

    The reason the dam was not give an eternal lifetime is that stress over time fatigues the materials. Obviously the dam has developed a hernia which some electronic device ought to have been installed to alert them about much earlier. Poor management.

    • chevvvy chev

      As for Ukraine let Russia deal with it. If the EU wants some new Nazis they can have western Ukraine; and the Russians can have the eastern part. The USA needs to stay home or another nation will be wrecked."

      hear hear! 😉

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      "Doubtful that either George W. or Obama have as my impression is that they don't read."

      ROFLMAO. Teleprompters are a #@$@!!

  • irhologram

    Thank you, postnuclear, qeustionit, ocifferdave, earthsmith, and luanamaria.

    So, if the water in the lake is 90 feet deep, what is the depth of the river at the dam, given the fact the link provided by lunamaria says the river can handle it?

    "Water shooting out this crack would be a bad sign." I can't imagine water not pouring out of a 2 inch crack either now or shortly. And "crack" seems a dilutive term. Might this now be or soon turn out to be more appropriately phrased as a 2 inch hole 65 feet long? Will reducing water pressure to 5300 lb/sqft be adequate to stop a 65foot 2 inch hole? Will it stop the movement of an out of kilter pier?

    • ocifferdave

      Your welcome, irhologram, fellow enenews warrior.

      Coworker had a talk with our local emergency management director years ago.

      They talked about what would happen if a dam blew.

      They understand that the next dam down would handle it.

      But what if two or three dams blew? That could be the "domino" effect we are all afraid of.

      So, based off their 'what if' arm chair knowledge passed on to me, they think one dam won't set off the "domino" effect.

      I'm crossing my fingers. And my self.

  • irhologram

    Thank you Ness for the info on potential criticality. Since that possibility was already a potential before the dam event, I guess its anybody's guess.

  • jec jec

    NO FEMA studies on flood plain for Hanford..excluded! Plus more fun reading about DAM FAILURE studies and the problem with the contamination plume(and contaminiation with stronium90 and other products) which reaches the river at Hanford can be found at this location:
    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fecology.pnnl.gov%2Flibrary%2FRev17%2F4_4.doc&ei=IHgTU-adBoPB0gHHwoDQDg&usg=AFQjCNEvsHCKj5RzvLzINlg5Q8dyCw9eVw&bvm=bv.62286460,d.dmQ&cad=rja
    A few comments from the above:
    "areas inundated by the probable maximum flood.. the remainder of the 100 Area, the 300 Area, and nearly all of Richland would be flooded.."

    And

    "It was also assumed that a scenario such as the 50 percent breach would occur only as the result of direct explosive detonation, and not because of a natural event such as an earthquake"

    Discussion follows on landslides into the river, primarily at White Bluffs where the river jogs to the north and dog legs to the south.

    Good reading on a cold snowy day. All the areas show flooding in a significant high water even/flood as shown in this document. Also, the Priest Rapids Dam is a water control dam, not for storage, but to protect the salmon and other fishery hatcheries.both native and man made. Release of these waters could damage salmon stocks, this is a critical time for eggs and hatchlings..

  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    DO YOU WANT TO WIN THE LOTTERY? THE NUCLEAR LOTTERY IS ON AND WE ARE ALL PLAYING.

    Some years back a woman in Texas won for the third time a large lottery–all three were well over a million dollars. Then it came to light that she had a PhD in mathematics–from Stanford, I believe.
    Now she lives in Las Vegas.
    Her knowledge of mathematics probably exceeds that of most physicists even.
    We are now all playing the nuclear lottery. And we are guessing. We may be running from a cat into the jaws of a tiger.
    Because we do not have enough mathematics to get a realistic idea of the odds. So we substitute vague fear infested imaginings.
    We need sound mathematical models.
    The one thing we know is that the odds are improving that at some point we will either eat or breath in an hot particle. We will in a manner of speaking be winners.

  • wetpwcas1 wetpwcas1

    All the damns in the USA are old & need lots of work. The TN River has nuke plants falling apart & damns that need repair but nothing is being done. We are on borrowed time folks!

    • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

      If they were repaired the terrorists would blow them up. So it is pointless. Better to spend money on weapons for al Qaeda. And we might need to try and missile Crimea soon. Sorry. A good idea but later on maybe. Vote libertarian.

  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    The Walker's Tale

    One morning you arise with extra energy and decide to go walk in beautiful nature. As you walk along through the green benevolence of flowers and trees and a pretty little lake, unbeknownst to you a swarm containing numberless hot particles released once in NM (which is far away from where you live) is descending just ahead. In the meantime a poem by Gerard Manly Hopkins is going through your mind–something about nature being a Heraclitean fire. Seconds later you take in several deep breaths of air and Plutonium atoms. The moment is memorable though not because of what you have just taken in but because you see more deeply into the poem from college literature course.

    Several years go by and then you find a painfulness in your chest. After being pestered for weeks by your spouse you go to the doctor who returns with an x-ray looking a bit grim. 'We need to do a biopsy.' A little dark spot right there.

    Time passes. And then you pass. Wither we know not. Your wife grieves. It must have been those awful cigars. Smoking is bad. Life goes on. There is no stopping it.

    Does this tale have a moral? Is it a moral tale? No, just perhaps a mild warning about the dangers of walking on a beautiful morning passed lovely flowers and leafy green trees and, I suppose, the hazards of breathing at the wrong time and in the wrong place!

  • Jebus Jebus

    The domino effect. That's not pizza…

    You have to remember that there other dams after Wanapum.

    Priest Rapids
    McNary
    John Day
    The Dalles
    Bonneville

    I live on the river in Cowlitz County.

    If one goes, given the ageing conditions of all those spillways, the domino effect has to be considered…

    • norbu norbu

      Good point Jebus I have family in Washington, one after another. Keep your eyes, ears open, be safe.
      N

  • rockyourworld

    the govt turned ukraine on it's head to distract us from this and new mexico's mess.

  • Nformed

    Hello all.Im damn sure a newbie but would like to drop a few nuggets to show my appreciation for all ive learned from the site as well as the people who post here.

    Hanford Info:
    http://cryptome.org/eyeball/hanford/hanford-eyeball.htm

    Archived documents:
    http://cryptome.org/nppwhttp://cryptome.org/eyeball/hanford/hanford-eyeball.htm-series.htm

    Ive been reluctant to speak out but sometimes you have to say WTF? Right?

    • Sparky Sparky

      Hi Nformed, Thanks, the maps are AWESOME! Just out curiosity, what are the series on small squares that have women’s names (e.g., Audrey, Susie, Ethel, Bettie…) on the 4th map down, right side? Are those residential developments, or (shudder) sub-groups of stored waste deposits?

      ‘Glad to see you posting!