Emotional interview with Navy sailor suffering after Fukushima exposure: Others with same symptoms “told to be quiet… nobody’s heard from them” — Health is worsening, worried I’m going to die — Can’t really use legs or arms, hands ‘barely functional’ — Rashes all over body, spasms, shaking — Doctors tell us “it’s all psychological” (AUDIO)

Published: July 15th, 2014 at 10:00 pm ET
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Interview with Navy Lt. Steve Simmons who served on the USS Ronald Reagan for 3/11 relief mission, Nuclear Hotseat hosted by Libbe HaLevy, July 8, 2014 (emphasis added):

  • 21:30 in — November 2011 I noticed something was wrong… The black-out was the first thing… I started dealing with gastrointestinal issues, at first I thought I was coming down with a stomach bug… Fevers as high as 102.9°F… January 2012 was the first time I was hospitalized… [They] sent me home with a sinus infection. Three days later I was readmitted to the hospital because my lymph nodes were swelling… that’s when my legs buckled and the muscle weakness started to onset… it’s been ascending from legs, trunk, arms, hands… I can’t really use the muscles much at all. I’m down to about 20 lbs. of grip strength in my hands, which is barely functional… I do have to catheterize every 4 hours in order to empty the bladder. The migraines still get worse. The fevers still come and go, and they keep calling it a fever of unknown origin. My vitamin D is in the gutter, they just keep calling it an unspecified vitamin D deficiency… 2nd degree burns on my legs just from being out in the sun for 3 or 4 hours… that had never been a concern. Nobody can figure it out. I’ve been getting these rashes that come and go; they’ll go up my arms, my neck, around my eyes, back, stomach, legs. I deal with tremors and spasms… I am [in a wheelchair]… There’s days I don’t even get out of bed… for a long time I thought I was the only one. I had no idea there were other individuals that were even sick or dealing with ailments… Doctors wouldn’t tell us anything… I’ve had doctors tell me maybe you’re better off not knowing what you’re dealing with… You can’t have over 100 or 200 people sick, and one who has died last April, and say there is absolutely no health risk.
  • 35:00 in — Finding out that there’s more people that are sick, finding out there were some other individuals at Walter Reed [Hospital]… almost identical symptoms to what I was dealing with… they we’re told to be quiet, and next thing I know they’re, who knows where they’re at, nobody’s heard from them, nobody has seen them. I have a buddy at Walter Reed right now, whose going through the same exact thing, very similar to what I’m dealing with — maybe 6 months to a year behind on the symptoms… His wife would call my wife and my wife would explain what he could expect next and sure as anything that happens next… Him and I both had doctors who have actively tried to convince us that there’s physically nothing wrong and it’s all psychological… This is ridiculous… He’s also in a wheelchair and when he went to the clinic to get fitted for a wheelchair, this doctor told him that it’s all in his head, and he doesn’t need a wheelchair… This is uncalled for.
  • 46:00 in — We now realize how bad it was… the worst disaster in history, then it’s time to acknowledge the fact that, yeah there is a problem, and there are going to be some effects on human life… If the worst case happens, and some more folks pass — I would have to be naive to think that nobody else is going to pass away from this — it’s only a matter of time before there’s more lives lost. I would be lying if I don’t think every day that I’m going to be next because of how bad my health keeps going downhill.

Full interview available here

Published: July 15th, 2014 at 10:00 pm ET
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201 comments to Emotional interview with Navy sailor suffering after Fukushima exposure: Others with same symptoms “told to be quiet… nobody’s heard from them” — Health is worsening, worried I’m going to die — Can’t really use legs or arms, hands ‘barely functional’ — Rashes all over body, spasms, shaking — Doctors tell us “it’s all psychological” (AUDIO)

  • We Not They Finally

    The doctors telling him it's "psychological" when they totally know better, should have their medical licenses revoked and then have to face a barrage of public shame. They should be run out on a rail. Who cares about them protecting THEMSELVES? No one! Who f-ing CARES what they were told to not tell patients, or who told them, or if they were threatened with retaliation themselves? Really. NOT WORTH LIVING THAT WAY. If they cannot protect human life, or at least RESPECT human life more than to behave this way, then shame on them and banish them from medicine permanently.


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    • nedlifromvermont

      Hey We Not They!

      Did you catch the Busby interview from soon after 3/11 where he talks of the post-earthquake visit to Japan by GE CEO Jeff Immelt … not to figure out a plan to secure the nuclear fuel, but how to distribute the tsunami waste to all corners of Japan, so as to contaminate any possible control population to do future epidemiology on the releases?

      The power of this one company to force legions of doctors in Japan and USA to lie to their patients is truly shocking, is it not?

      Remember, General Electric has always been majority controlled by the Morgan banking empire. It is really Morgan Electric, and the business is too big to govern.

      Few businessmen, politicians or professors speaking out against GE.

      What does it mean that they can force this technology on seismically active Japan, with lousy containment design (admission of GE three and several NRC dudes) and not be exposed to damages and get everyone (almost) in the press to divert attention away from the culprit, the murderer, the malefactor-in-chief?

      Maybe I shouldn't complain so loudly about GE business practices.

      Someone might find out what I'm up to and mess me up.

      Oh well, guess I will take that chance.

      GE sucks and they built the machines that have destroyed Japan.

      Big money capitalism means you don't have to (are not allowed to) say, "Sorry," and you don't even have to care.

      "Their problem;" "They bought our machines;" "Sucks to be Japanese;"

      whatever


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      • sayonara kitty sayonara kitty

        ned you are so right, those murderers from ge need to take some of that tax payer subsidies and tax breaks and fix japan. i urge everyone to never buy another ge product again until they stop trying to get out of liability for screwing up this planet.


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      • mt1000

        In modern times, the only time GE had to clean up its pile of stinking poo was when they were made to clean the Hudson River of their PCBs.
        A big lawsuit by (rare) enviro legal team.
        Maybe they can do it again.
        But probably way too late.


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        • nedlifromvermont

          @mt1000: They did some clean up of PCB oils on the Housatonic River, downstream from their main transformer assembly operation at Pittsfield, Massachusetts;

          they mainly dragged their feet on the Hudson River clean up;

          For decades they stonewalled, covered up and diverted attention from the problem with PCBs; workers were exposed to the chemicals "up to their armpits" despite severe skin problems with chloracne and cancers, too … behavior they would employ in the 50's, 60's and 70's as far as the dangers of ionizing radiation released from their precious nuclear power program;

          The various governments, Pittsfield, Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut and federal, were loathe to attack a major regional employer with more money then God to litigate the issues;

          The history of litigation against massive corporations AT&T and IBM shows how corporations bury their adversaries in paperwork and employ armies of high paid lawyers to do their dirty work;

          And with all the powers of the press blaring (falsely) their innate goodness (secrets of propaganda learned from the master, Nazi leader Josef Goebbels);

          It is little wonder my truth campaign against GE seems a little quixotic;

          But the musical, "Man of La Mancha," has lots of good tunes, and Miguel Cervantes novel about landed squire, Don Quixote, sallying forth to uphold the honor of the downtrodden and fight corrupt powers that be is a fine story;

          The original modern novel;

          peace …


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      • clamshellernh clamshellernh

        Sorry to jump in here , board is messed up and Libby did a piece last week that features one of the sailors.
        This one is the new one this week .
        You can go back and read all podcasts
        I just started listening to her and I love the show
        Last week she talked to one of the sailors and family and it was very revealing

        Nuclear Hotseat #160: WIPP Radiation Accident Update w/Don Hancock, Voices from Japan w/Filmmaker Yumiko Hayakawa | Nuclear Hotseat
        http://www.nuclearhotseat.com/2017/

        Sent from my F-iPad


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        • clamshellernh clamshellernh

          Shoot I shot from the hip sorry for the redundancy


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        • OldFool

          These are the classic signs of radiation-induced lymphomas – probably spreading into secondary metastatic cancers.
          According to previous postings of their various symptoms, these Operation Tomodachi Navy kids received 200 REM or even substantially more.
          Where are the Congressmen and Senators that should be helping these sailors?
          Where is the Commander in Chief?
          Has the US government completely rotted-out at every level from top to bottom? It certainly appears so.
          Where is the US news media?
          Is there anybody who gives a rat's ass anymore? This is a disgrace.


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          • We Not They Finally

            Once it's metastasized throughout the lymph system, there is nowhere in the body where it helps to operate. So they don't even tell the family that he has metastasized cancer? Even if they don't state the cause (and OF COURSE they know the cause!) they don't even say that much? The sailors risked their lives to go into the Navy at all and they are not even given that much?

            Yeah, as you say, where is EVERYBODY on this? Total national disgrace.


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            • mairs mairs

              The nuclear industry, and military nuclear weapon producing capability, is more important to them than individual service men and women. A total disgrace, yes. And we can't do anything about it.


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            • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

              @WNTF; Yeah I have been unable to shake the thought you brought up about how once cancer hits the lymph system surgery is not likely to have much value. I'm also on the verge of changing my mindset that held some hope for my wife beating her cancer(s) despite the removal of the breast & nine lymph nodes and the 2 years of remission that new symptoms signaled had ended our celebratory mood and hope for a cancer-free future. I guess we'll get the official word and details along with test results and their assessments & treatment plan when we go back to Oncology next week[?]!! :( I didn't think we would "live happily ever after" considering the continuing presence of the nuclear crap from ALL sources including the ongoing releases from Fukushima/311-ELE that I KNOW caused hers to begin! Maybe there WAS once a balance that existed where the "normal" levels of nuclear contamination was tolerable and cancer rates were considered "manageable" or "an acceptable risk"? But NOW,there's NO WAY that this cumulative garbage being emitted from Fukushima and ALL of their leaky,claptrap nuke plants and waste has brought us to the point where 60% of the population will have cancer in their lifetimes and those in a fragile state of remission previously will now continue to be subjected to damaging radiation exposure that renders current treatments unsuccessful & nearly hopeless sans a Miracle from Above!Those claiming otherwise are either homicidal or fools! :( ….


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          • OldFool

            These kids Must Stop Wasting Their Time on the US Navy medical quacks. There is very little time left for them, but some might be saved if they are properly treated for radiation-induced lymphomas and the secondary metastatic cancers.
            If there are any Navy people reading this website – spread the word that they must Immediately go to civilian doctors to have any hope of survival. Anybody staying with the Navy Quacks is going to die for sure.


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            • Trudyb

              Send these vets to an top NMD!! lymph system IS a sewer system – Pau d'Arco,Chaparral/LMTmassage for the crap filled nodes NOT removal.Cleanse liver/gallbladder (Triphala,Ashwaganda,more.As w/ Agent Orange, use Spirulina,Chlorella, Pascalite powder for gut cleanse.Use top probiotics to restore gut bacteria). USE known radiation removal agent Cell Food (contact Lumina.co full info – ) 8 oz fresh made daily Juice w/organics only fresh carrots,celery/apple/4oz Biotta beetjuice, 2 TBS ACV..just for starters…keep praying & the info will come.God Bless All of YOU!


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            • I'm a Marine Corps veteran and I tell current and former Marines that they all need to go to alternative doctors and get second opinions on everything they need to get looked at. Detoxing is a highly important one, being exposed to dozens of harmful vaccines, agen orange, and other chemicals. I make sure I tell them to avoid radioactive materials at all costs, don't take an assignment near highly radioactive areas. If they already have, they can detox with a few herbs, foods and natural zeolite powder, that will get a lot of the toxins/viruses out of their bodies. There is a list here that is pretty easy to find on amazon or elsewhere: http://allherbalremedies.org/radiation-remedy-herbs-radiation-poisoning-treatment/


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        • I just commented to the EPA about their raising the allowable rad rule to 350. They extended the deadline for comment to August but –no surprise–the docket page where comment is officially sent is blank. So I sent it to Brian Littleton's email, which is on one of those pages as follows:

          I wish to officially comment on proposed raising of radiation exposure rule.
          Access to the comment form has disappeared from your site.
          My public comment:

          Do not raise the allowable level of radiation to 350. There are no "safe" levels of radiation, as isotopes bio-accumulate in the body. Life on this planet evolved WITHOUT man made radiation. Radiation from x-ray machines in airports is bad enough. Nuclear disaster like the one in Japan is filling the earth with radioactive isotopes –cesium, strontium, even plutonium. Chernobyl was about all the planet can stand and now this proposal!
          Are you insane? Stop doing the bidding of the nuclear industry and instead support the health of all Americans.
          I repeat: don’t raise the allowable level of radiation to 350! It was already raised after the Fukushima meltdown. It must NOT be raised again!


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          • The COMMENT NOW PAGE AT EPA'S SITE FINALLY WORKED. THEY ONLY HAVE 117 COMMENTS. PLEASE PEOPLE–COMMENT NOW ON RAISING ALLOWABLE RAD LIMIT TO 350.
            LINK IS HERE:
            http://www.regulations.gov/#!submitComment;D=EPA-HQ-OAR-2013-0689-0001 Comment Now finally worked—it is at this link
            WE NEED TO INUNDATE THEM. LOOK HOW WE CRASHED THE FCC'S SITE WITH THOUSANDS OF COMMENTS.
            GO ENENEWS-PEOPLE!


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            • We Not They Finally

              I just commented. So now it's 118 instead of 117. I said taht the EPA much be going criinally insane to be doing this to their fellow Americans.

              Cute that the last thing they do before you can press the "submit" button is threaten the writer with their comments and i.d. being viewable on the web.

              "Fortunately" (I guess — I know it sounds bizarre to say) the government already hates me. I actually do NOT want to incur more damage, but I value my conscience above that. Thanks for posting the link.

              You know, I never understood how after WW II, many ordinary Germans said they didn't KNOW that Jews were being incinerated in ovens. I didn't see how that was possible, unless they started thinking it was none of their concern from Crystallnacht on. Unfortunately now, I begin to see that at least a little bit. Not condone it — never! But how do people know what is completely blacked out?


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            • Cooter Cooter

              From the comment section this jewel was posted on 7-15-14:

              "People from ENENEWS.com will come on here and flood these comments with inane lies. We are not dying from miniscule radioactive emissions. Please make the standards risk based. Radiation effects are an inherent stochastic phenomena."

              This just goes to show you how ENENEWS has gotten under the skin of the "nuclear apes" (SP).

              Yes we will flood the EPA with comments with sound science, facts and compassion for planet earth.

              We fully understand that if these rules are put into effect there will be no turning the clock back, leaving the world in a perilous position to accept a slow death. This EPA decision, if passed, will be the nuclear manifesto of "murder by proxy".

              I believe this EPA action is not about protecting the citizens of the US but protecting corporations from liability. It's all about the money.


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            • califnative califnative

              hogy-love your enthusiasm, thanks for submitting your comment today :)


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          • tHE DEADLINE FOR COMMENTING NOW EXTENDED TO August 3, 2014 .


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      • Southbound Southbound

        I remember the reports of burning radioactive waste. That part was the most evil of all the news coming from Japan. Its one thing to build NPPs that fail, its another entirely nefarious thing to put that shit in the air so deliberately and intentionally in order to protect the industry from lawsuits looking for control groups. There are huge companies in our lives now, like GE and Monsanto, that need to be a reminder of what industry should NEVER do.


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        • bo bo

          So true Southbound…and it makes even LESS sense – apologizing ONLY for the dust resulting from removal of rubble landing on rice 20 km outside – when you've taken radioactive rubble and incinerated it all over Japan. WTF…brainfreeze :(


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  • We Not They Finally

    WHERE'S THE PUBLICITY ON ALL THIS? Are we really that far into Nazi Germany or fascist Japan, or are we headed for an even worse model? PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW. It is so wrong to blind the public's eye from all this. And shame on the Navy!!


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  • one of the great lies of the radiation cartel is that they pretend that the only thing you have to fear from radiation is cancer 30 years down the road.

    It doesnt work like that at all. Lots of diesease even things like Autism are caused by radiation.

    here is a list to start with

    http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2014/03/cancer-does-not-just-cause-cancer-it-is.html


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  • charlie3

    The doctors are as corrupt and immoral as any other elite group who earn a lot of money fleecing the sheeple.


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    • Archie

      "The doctors are as corrupt and immoral as any other elite group who earn a lot of money fleecing the sheeple."

      That ain't necessarily so. Navy doctors are like the mainstream media in that they have to do and say as they are told by who owns them, not voice their opinions and tell the truth. Big corporations own the media and the government owns military doctors. If any of these doctors DID what they felt was in the best interest of the patient instead of following orders they would be demoted, discilplined, and discharged. You can't quit the Navy but they can shit all over you.


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      • nedlifromvermont

        My pilot first cousin who flew tankers for the Navy gave me the term for this: It is called "the needs of the Navy."

        Loose lips sink ships; truthful revelations would leave the reactor "poison factories" (so H. Caldicott) high and dry (so to speak) … i.e. shut down, turned off, awaiting decommissioning, as they should be!

        peace 'newsers, Rock On!


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      • We Not They Finally

        That's undoubtedly true. I just hope that some of them have to decency, after telling a patient this is all "psychological," to go throw up and keep wretching until there is nothing left of their insides. Because there is nothing left of the inside of their consciences after they comply with this.


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    • Corruption is due mostly because of influence of BIG money from drug companies, and medical radiation related profit operations, plus their education, which says all radiation/drugs/chemo is safe and healing.

      NOT


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  • Cisco Cisco

    Hid the exposure to Agent Orange in the Vietnam War.
    Hid the exposure of DU and oil fires in the Gulf War.
    Hid the DU exposure in the Iraq War.
    Hiding the exposure to the Fukushima War.
    Goddamn our government!
    SSDD

    "Is this a great country or what?"…Lee Trevino 1991


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  • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

    I was wondering when this sort of story would break out from the cover up.

    The elephant in the living room is when does this sort of stuff start to manifest itself in a public sort of way in the near future?

    Question is how will Ken and Barbie react when it affects them directly?

    Nothing like living "On The Beach".


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  • danger kitty danger kitty

    Our very sick civilization killing our own, beyond sadness. Down is up?


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    • Ontological Ontological

      In QED and to the cat yes down is up. In a trick of the light our brains correct for the illusion a photon causes when it reflects the off matter and is sent back and away. So the cat perceives things normally and we see things upside down. The same way gravity is in reality a push and not a pull.

      Gov. grows corn GMO complete with insecticide in the eatable part, throws agent orange over that from the air, then feeds it to the troops. People like that would indeed deliberately subject these brave souls to horrible radiation only to attempt a possible rescue of their Plutonium producing reactors, then ignore their troops affected, with no or little help health wise; and remain moot to pleas for help. Yep sounds about right.


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  • combomelt combomelt

    Ship Ahoy,
    June 19, 2014
    USS Ronald Reagan, Carrier Air Wing 2 to Participate in RIMPAC
    The aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76) and Carrier Air Wing 2 departed from the Southern California operating area June 18 to participate in the biennial Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) exercise scheduled June 26 to Aug. 1, in and around the Hawaiian Islands.


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    • sayonara kitty sayonara kitty

      combo melt, dollars to donuts says they're sailing that ship back to japanese waters to cover up the fact that ship was already contaminated whilst they held that kids football camp for military kids aboard last year, as well as that 3 11 memorial this year for japanese americans. that way they can try to coverup that it was contaminated from the original 3 11.


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  • razzz razzz

    This guy is the walking dead. Radiation poisoning with limitless possibilities of cause of death. Doctors couldn't save him if they wanted to. Imagine the costs to treat USS Reagan sailors from Daiichi fallout. Government strategy end game is dead men can't sue so delay lawsuits and treatments until costs come down to a manageable level with a few remaining survivors. Having ships sail in and choppers flying through fresh fallout is criminal. Just the same as background radiation levels they said except they couldn't drink or use the ship water supply because it was so radioactive. Iodine pills for the officers and pilots but not for the swabs. Like benign iodine would save anyone in this situation.


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    • razzz razzz

      'Documents Say Navy Knew Fukushima Dangerously Contaminated the USS Reagan'

      "…Cunningham writes that transcribed conversations obtained through the Freedom of Information Act feature naval officials who acknowledge that even while 100 miles away from Fukushima, the Reagan’s readings “compared to just normal background [are] about 30 times what you would detect just on a normal air sample out to sea…”

      "…Serious fallout was also apparently found on helicopters coming back from relief missions. One unnamed U.S. government expert is quoted in the Japan Focus article as saying:

      At 100 meters away it (the helicopter) was reading 4 sieverts per hour. That is an astronomical number and it told me, what that number means to me, a trained person, is there is no water on the reactor cores and they are just melting down, there is nothing containing the release of radioactivity. It is an unmitigated, unshielded number. (Confidential communication, Sept. 17, 2012).

      The transcript then contains discussion of health impacts that could come within a matter of “10 hours. It’s a thyroid issue…”

      "…But one thing is certain: neither they nor the global community have been getting anything near the full truth about Fukushima."
      http://ecowatch.com/2014/02/26/navy-knew-fukushima-contaminated-uss-reagan/


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      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        USS Ronald Reagan (CVN-76) is a Nimitz-class nuclear-powered supercarrier in the service of the United States Navy.

        ..Equipped with all the whizmo-gizmo's ..necessary to detect the presence of radiation.

        Someone.. gave the order for this ship to proceed and remain in the plume.
        Something.. the Commander-in-Chief of the United States of America should answer for …and be held accountable for.
        Someone gave the order…for the crew to scrub the desk ..without protection..as if.. scrubbing off tossed egg..
        Something ..the top brass of the Navy should answer for ..and be held accountable for.


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        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          Why? Why? because the fore mentioned ..are servants of the People?
          Nothing more..
          The People deserve TRUTH.


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          • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

            PS.. OT. This accountability …needs to spread to all aspects of government ..of course.
            Including the NSA ..watching ..saying nothing..as our government deceives the People.
            Traitors.


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          • PurpleRain PurpleRain

            You know, I don't want to be labeled as being a bad person, but it seems to me that another Shay's rebellion against wall street and banks and GE Nuke-tards would do wonders for all of us! I wish those gun crazy people would at least fight the right kind of battles. (But hell–I'm just in an armchair dreaming aloud I guess).


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            • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

              Sensational title..whatever.

              This is Obama..saying that ..(Quote)"ordinary men and women are too simple minded to handle their own affairs and order and progress can only come when they surrender their rights to an all powerful sovereign".

              And this is where I'm telling the President..he is wrong.

              Ordinary men and women..as if he is somehow special ..for winning in the game of politics.
              It is his vision of the future that is 'simpleminded'..as he leads humanity ..into further and perhaps eternal redundancy…of the same oppression that has crippled Humanity for years.

              Oh..no..it is the ordinary person that still has a grasp on 'right and wrong'…moral compass still intact.

              Why would we be here ..if the 'extraordinary'..in politics and science, etc. ..weren't FAILING?

              "surrender their rights to an all powerful sovereign".

              Surrender..the Will of the People?
              How can he ask such a thing and call himself an American?

              Purple Rain: " I don't want to be labeled as being a bad person,"
              I know how you feel.

              But I'm a 'huckleberry'…
              So be it.

              BREAKING NEWS!!! OBAMA DECLARES the ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY of the NEW WORLD ORDER Over YOU???
              May 28 2014

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYH75mTrQDA&list=UUBw57UIatFoishbWSeejGaw&index=6


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    • alasanon

      Sadly, the exact same thing happened to the military first responders during Chernobyl. Actually, these men are lasting much longer… They must have had a little protection and decontamination… The military and firemen on the scene during Chernobyl died painfully within weeks–many people…
      It's also scary when you know that these were strong, young individuals who were very fit and ready to handle physical challenges. Just think of how they would fare if they were not so healthy from the beginning…

      I'm really sorry about this and really wish these sailors could detox under guidance of an environmental health expert. I'm sure it would help!


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  • Lurkers, its time to help fight this travesty upon humanity.


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    • bonsairebellion bonsairebellion

      So I "lurk" a little … Working on my response to the EPA raising the permissible limits of radiation released in the environment. They are saying that their rational is:

      " the understanding of radiation risk and dose to humans has advanced and new methodologies have been developed to calculate radiation doses"

      Have any of us "non-mf's" written a solid response to this? I'm looking for a coordinated message that I can pass around. But I would enjoy a solid list of nasty sarcasm as well :)


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      • I havent seen any response to that, it is so broad, so vague. They didn't even present their argument, just the hint that they have an argument.

        Their presentation is like a lie out of the gate.


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        • I'd like to see more people talk about their thorium mining plan also


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        • bonsairebellion bonsairebellion

          I'm thinking that they are increasing the limits for one or two reasons.

          First being that there is an increase in global radiation from all the errors. When common leak amounts are combined with this new global reading, most recent limits cannot be met.

          Second is that it lowers the expense of operation.


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          • Yep, maybe scared too if one of the WIPP type dirty bombs goes off…an evacuation would be very bad press. Instead they tell people to stay in place, only beagles die from plutonium, dont worry, we got your back…….

            Nuke is dying economically, they will try to fight anyway they can to save "their precious" <spoken like Gollum>


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          • Wyakin Wyakin

            BSB-Follow your intuition and conscience.

            In May 1998, the EPA concluded that there was "reasonable expectation" that the WIPP facility would contain the vast majority of the waste interred there. After just 16 years it has been proven wrong.

            The EPA is again poised to enact a catastrophic administrative decision: raising the limits of acceptable radiation pollution regularly expelled from nuclear plants into neighboring populations.

            The energy emblematic of the waste EPA is regulating, is a failed technology which is carbon intensive, produces highly toxic levels of unstorable waste lasting for hundred of thousands of years and releases toxins directly into surrounding communities.

            Statistically significant cancer clusters ALREADY exist around all operating nuclear power plants. Nuclear power plants at the current discharge levels continuously leak invisible but deadly atmospheric and liquid toxins resulting in illness disproportionally affecting children, and women. Raising the limits will only raise the incidence of illness.

            Toxic radiation consequences have been observable for decades. ICRP models have not and do not adequately address LLR, and the 2007 revisions still ignore the actual effects of LLR.

            Look here for more useful information:

            http://www.nirs.org/home.htm

            Peace.


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      • hahaha! good idea… understanding risk does nothing for the exposed individuals, or the plants that uptake the rads then pass up to the animals and into human bodies… bioaccumulated, fat lot of good calculations do … what is it they understand anyway?! that people will become ill more readily while they stand by calculating…


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      • melting mermaid melting mermaid

        Why don't they just come out of the closet and change their name to the GEPA because raising the limits only protects the corporations from LIABILITY, doesn't protect the environment and it certainly doesn't protect the people. And when are our service men going to realize who and what they are fighting for. Spreading democracy by freeing poorer countries of their natural resources isn't noble and brave, it's stealing. We are on the brink here, and still all they can think about is money. It's disgusting.


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Isolate and Coverup Radiation Poisoning.

    Always Lie About Radionuclide Activity

    I'm sure the radiation health physicists are taking good care of things.

    Killing our own, is why there is growing dissent, in our military's officer's ranks.

    Killing our own, is why there is growing dissent in our military's family ranks.

    Killing our own, is why there is growing dissent across America…


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  • dosdos dosdos

    Let's treat all these fine doctors to a nice rich smoothie with special ingredients for a job well done. See how they respond when they're told it's all psychological.


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  • isogoodhumans

    Get rid of the doctor, a new goon pops up. They will do anything for their 'distribution'. The status quo is a distribution system.

    The system can be rebuilt when it is gutted, but when it is gutted it wont be fun.


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    • or-well or-well

      As you say "The system can be rebuilt when it is gutted, but when it is gutted it won't be fun."
      I think even many of the unaware sense that and prefer avoiding confronting reality rather than face the struggle entailed in species survival.
      What can't be maintained, won't be.
      ALL "this" will "go away".
      The question is, will we do what is needed for some remnant of humanity to survive?
      I guess that's a little too heavy before breakfast.
      Have a nice day.


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  • dunkilo

    Time to break out the wd-40!want the guillotine to work smoothly!Its got a lot of work to do on those tyrants !Think im going to build my own. why not ,GE made and is still making them .Now its my turn,dont know how much more I can take of this death and disease from the fracking Peaceful atom ! I call bullshite !


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  • dunkilo

    Cant recall being this angry…


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  • Breaks my heart. Some more about the S.S. Reagan in this Hanford article by Yoichi Shimatsu, about it's 18 month decontamination in Bremerton (wonder how those shipyard workers are now) and also how the waste got to Hanford.
    http://www.rense.com/general96/hanford.html

    "Reconnaissance helicopters roared back to the mother ship, which then carved an arc through the chill waters of the Liman Current. The pride of the U.S. Navy was fleeing the coast of Japan like a wounded whale from a shiver of hungry sharks."

    "After flushing its pipes while transporting sailors’ cars to Alaska, the carrier was docked for decontamination and refitting along Bremerton’s “Carrier Row”. From early autumn 2011 until mid-March 2013, a period of 18 months, shipyard workers replaced irradiated air ducts, pumps, pipes, gaskets, hoses and electronic controls sensitive to radiation. The work gangs were ordered to prevent release of any contaminated liquid into Puget Sound in compliance with a prior Environmental Agency pollution complaint issued in 2010."

    "There is no legal mandate to inform Washington State communities of passing reactor-toting barges because the Navy designates the cargo as “low level” waste. Local residents who are curious about these shipments will not find the route map posted at their docks or bridges, so here it is, courtesy of the Washington Physicians for Social Responsibility:
    “The route begins at….


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    • cont….
      “The route begins at the (Bremerton) Shipyard and goes though Rich Passage, past Restoration Point, and northerly though Puget Sound. The barge will then move west through the Strait of Juan De Fuca, past Cape Flattery, before turning south and going along the Washington Coast. As the barge makes its way to the mouth of the Columbia River it will not enter the area near the Olympic Coast National Marine Sanctuary known as the Area to Be Avoided. The barge will then go up the Columbia River following the regular shipping channel that is used for commercial cargo. The ocean tugs turn over the barge to river tugs on the lower Columbia. The river route passes through the navigation locks at the Bonneville, Dalles, John Day, and McCanry dams, until finally reaching the Port of Benton. “


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  • Jebus Jebus

    The above is what we all have to look forward to when the EPA sells out for a second time since Fukushima.

    Here is the first sell out…

    EPA Nukes Radiation Rules.
    Michael Collins July 12 2013

    http://www.enviroreporter.com/2013/07/epa-nukes-radiation-rules/all/1/

    Every mother and father, every brother and sister should be mad as hell about everyone's quality of life and future being compromised by the color of money and nuclear power.


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    • bonsairebellion bonsairebellion

      Thanks for that Jebus. So in a nutshell the article shows that the standard protocol for the EPA is -when the limits are exceeded then the limits need to be raised …


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    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

      I think what is happening, nuclear energy plants are closing because the technology is so expensive. So if they raise limits the owners can skimp on safety equipment, like adequate protection for workers, and the can stay in business. The workers should all quit and the government should shut them all down.

      They were supposed to institute more safety rules after Fukushima. Instead of Fukushima being a lesson, they are ignoring everything. But maybe we have a chance because they extended the deadline for comments and we have our shill trying to get us not to comment.


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      • Good point—rededicate to more comments at EPA

        They sure are slow at posting.


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      • bonsairebellion bonsairebellion

        Well "things" like that have been here many times before .. I just grab the popcorn and get the old score board out ( 'newsers get laughs and cheers for the insults you write but you only get points when you beat them down with logic and facts).

        But I agree on both counts, its a distraction from what really matters and what really matters is that we say to the EPA "No! I do not accept an increase risk of sickness and death for myself or any other living being to increase anyone's profit".


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      • Jebus Jebus

        Yep, it is the last hail mary, of the commercial nuclear power companys at the expense of nuclear worker and public safety.

        Always Lie About Radionuclide Activity

        ALARA…

        "as low as (is) reasonably achievable,"

        Think about that nuclear doublespeak…


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      • Jebus Jebus

        Here is how the Nuclear Rubberstamp Commission states it…

        As defined in Title 10, Section 20.1003, of the Code of Federal Regulations (10 CFR 20.1003), ALARA is an acronym for "as low as (is) reasonably achievable," which means making every reasonable effort to maintain exposures to ionizing radiation as far below the dose limits as practical, consistent with the purpose for which the licensed activity is undertaken, taking into account the state of technology, the economics of improvements in relation to state of technology, the economics of improvements in relation to benefits to the public health and safety, and other societal and socioeconomic considerations, and in relation to utilization of nuclear energy and licensed materials in the public interest.

        http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/basic-ref/glossary/alara.html

        You have to consider how much Fukushima fucked up everyone's baseline measurements, easily subtracted, and the sensitivity for the detection of individual radionuclides in every nuclear workplace.

        Think SHTF…

        Your gonna need that geiger counter. Maybe even a scintillation counter, if these regulations go into effect.

        The higher effective doses have already been here since 3/11.

        The EPA is just being coerced into dictating that it is legal now…

        Nuclear can not compete on a level playing field, ever…


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        • bonsairebellion bonsairebellion

          It seems to me that since the EPA hopes to increase the limits based on the " new methodologies have been developed to calculate radiation doses" statement. Then it must also be true that new technology for containing(not leaking as much) has been developed in the same time frame … well unless its more cost effective to increase the person-rem (I really hate that such a term exists).


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  • sistahawk

    ..to WNTF -and all of you : propaganda machine and it's willing trolls almost everywhere over the hole globe (the nazis did a "good job" by inventing and refining it to the point )and now today the usa and a lot of other countrys are ruled by politics , produced by the few big companies who are all bros. & sis…lies come easy these days – promoted by former actors and others who do anything by beeing a prom.. get humansheep brainwashed with the tv-broadcast (they love it..)give them a bit of sports,sex…(the roman emperors did that first ) even when they do not practice themselve because beeing to fat..result is , lot's just never learned to think by themselves and the results of this we are now facing..jim morrison put it across very nicely in the 70ties in the song the end…


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  • Sol Man

    It is a despicable practice feeding on others' energy and lives that deserves a harsh judgment…the methods with which it is accomplished are almost too numerous to list, but it includes the total abandonment of morals, noble principles, and the sacred sovereign-self for money and power.


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  • Bones Bones

    I think this brave man [Can you imagine knowing what is happening to your health and speaking about it. That's deathly scary.] is the embodiment of what we all are basically just trying to make people understand. This is reality and it must stop everywhere. It's too horrible for words to even describe. I'm glad this got coverage. I'm spreading it to all my friends in the military and health care people. Plant a seed at least.


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    • Sol Man

      People have to remember to read the fine print and know absolutely what every nuanced phrase of these contracts means. Whatever may be promised- it is not worth your life, or being incapacitated forever.

      There are other terribly injured humans that very few think to speak of, they are the mutated fetuses and babies that may not even make it to life, or die shortly after arriving. Without a radiated genome they may have been healthy.


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  • Low Quality Troll Invades ENENEWS
    The latest paid troll attack comes from MF or Moe Foe.

    Spewing hatred, swearing all the time, ripping people a new one. This self professed seasoned radiation expert apparently doesn't even have a workstation computer or laptop, he just does it all on a phone.

    hmmmm……that doesn't seem quite right.

    The troll is harping on Conca's latest crime against humanity, hoping to increase radiation by 100 to 200 percent in terms of nuke plant releases. He left this picture at Forbe's Conca post.

    http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2014/07/low-quality-troll-invades-enenews.html

    He laughs as experiments in which sick people were unwittingly given doses of plutonium to "see what happens", and he exclaims "they didn't die instantly!" therefore Plutonium is not as bad as other things. The arrogance, the pyschopathy.


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  • bf9 bf9

    It's my birthday in two hours local time, I'm very thankful to make it another year in this nuclear apocalypse.

    I have a feeling that this is one of the stories that can add a lot of weight to the figurative snowball….as a birthday present I would like each and every one of you that reads this comment to jam this interview down everyone's throats that you know, every last man and woman, and encourage them to do the same. I will be doing exactly that.

    People (perhaps rightfully) get very fired up when service men and women are involved in something like this. It's one thing to willingly subject yourself to radiological contamination but when you force others to do so ESPECIALLY unknowingly you've then crossed a certain line in which some kind of reparation is needed.


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  • Gasser Gasser

    Go here first to feel the melancholy feel>

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=U43_f1LSKxs

    ~~~~~~~~~

    Night and day, Fukushima you are the one

    Only you emitting nuclides 'neath the moon or under the sun
.

    Whether near to me or far
    
It's no matter, radiation, wherever you are.

    
I think of you day and night.

    Night and day, why is it so
    
That your Plutonium follows me wherever I go.

    
In the roarin' Geiger counters boom
    
In the silence of my raidoactive room.

    
I think of you day and night.

    Night and day, under the hide of me
    
There's oh, many Cesium becquerels inside of me.

    
And its torment will not be through
    
As you make me spend my life with cancer from you.
    Day and night, night and day.

    Night and day, you are the one
    
Only you 'neath the Earth hot as the sun.

    Whether near to me or far

    It's no matter where your Buckyballs are
    
I think of you day and night.

    Night and day, why is it so?

    
That this contempt for you follows wherever I go
    
In the roarin' exploding reactors boom

    
Screaming in my crowded hospital room
    
I think of you day and night

    Night and day, under the cancer hide of me

    There's an oh, such a Strontium burning inside of me
.

    And its torment won't be through

    Till we die spending life making a sarcophagus for you
.

    Day and night,~~~~~~~~night and day

    ~Gasser Classic~


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    Over exposure to radiation, expect anything/everything.
    People and radiation can't coexist.

    They either have no clue how people will react to this continuing radiation that's invading us, or they can't admit it.


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  • jec jec

    US government response to Navy sailors the same as for Hanford WA workers! See the audit trail from KING5 News!
    http://www.king5.com/news/investigators/Hanfords-Dirty-Secrets-Tank-vapor-exposure-stories-257563381.html
    Now a worker is challenging the government, a government who says their equipment is perfect…


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    • freebywill

      Proof, conspiracy theory is conspiracy fact. Wonder where the HP was ? Now you see why there's no connection between radiation and any sickness, its being methodically covered up. Is there anyway the HP for Hanford wouldn't know this, wouldn't be involved in the cover-up ?
      Wonder who the HP was in Washington?


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    • califnative califnative

      jec-good this news agency was willing to disclose this, what an example DOE portrays, can't trust them.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Heart attacks
    Respiratory problems
    Diabetes
    Thyroid problems
    Skin problems
    Stomach problems
    Cataracts
    Rashes
    Fatigue, dizziness
    Hearing loss
    Memory loss
    Joint/Cartilage problems
    Tumors


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    • melting mermaid melting mermaid

      I love you Big picture. Your so succinct. Unlike me, I digress and ramble on and on. Anyway, see, I am praying for the misguided and manipulated soldiers. And that one day they will realize waging war with our technological knowledge is a crime against all life on earth. If they could use their skills to wage peace and save the planet that would really be something and it's probably our only hope and currently they are on the wrong side, but miracles do happen. Like Stock said, eventually we will reach a point of absurdity and hit the brakes, slam it into reverse and clean up this mess. Just takes a tiny little shift in paradigm from an age of plunder and pollution to one of reason and compassion and healing. No problem.


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    • alasanon

      I haven't heard yet much about thyroid cancers for these sailors??.. I like to think they at least received proper potassium iodide dosages to save their thyroids!!

      And if they did save their Thyroids, they still have a fighting chance!! The Thyroid can be the linchpin to your health…

      I haven't read of thyroid diseases or the typical thyroid cancers and that's usually the first to go…

      I still think they need to actively seek out help from environmental health/toxicology specialists. A lot of specialists had success with various protocols for patients on the front lines of Chernobyl–including seaweed treatments, high levels of alpha lipoic acid, melatonin, miso soup, etc., etc. Yes, sometimes the improvement in children exposed in Belarus, for example, was up to 80%!!

      They need to go all out.


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  • clamshellernh clamshellernh

    clamshellernh
    July 16, 2014 at 8:18 am · Reply
    For those of you that do Facebook , shhhh don't tell anyone

    Keep up to date with the climate march here .

    People's Climate March: nuclear-free, carbon-free contingent
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/nukefreeclimatefreemarch/

    Sent from my F-iPad


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  • Gabe Gabe

    This man MUST contact the editors at VETERANSTODAY.COM
    HE should tell them his story and have them do a full investigation and exposee.
    They have recently released massive amounts of information regarding our federal government corruption.
    They may be able to get this story out to the world media as an example of how our gov. Has literally abandoned these military personnel.


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    • Auntie Nuke

      Gabe, contact the veteranstoday.com editors directly. Steve
      Simmons is a very sick man; he hasn't the energy to follow up on this. Everyone, send this link to the reporters and media reps in your area, especially if they are veterans, know veterans or write for veterans. Two other links to Nuclear Hotseat interviews w/attorney Charles Bonner, who is repping the lawyers: Nuclear Hotseat #138 (http://ow.ly/txhtm) and #129 (http://ow.ly/rEBFM). This will give the full story.


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      • alasanon

        Auntie Nuke,
        Have the sailors and Mr. Bonner considered consulting with the legal team who represented the First Responders at 9/11???

        They seemed to win their lawsuits and the similarity of the situation is unmistakeable!!

        9/11. 3/11. I know. It's disturbing, but again, the first responders in an emergency take the hit without being warned or properly treated.

        They should look into some consultation with the 9/11 plaintiffs and class action attorneys, the expert witnesses and the successful strategies they employed at that time!!-


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  • Byrian420 Byrian420

    This was done on purpose just like all the other recent so called accidents that are not accidents but part of the depopulation plan. We are literally living in AGENDA 21 and no matter how we rant and rave on here this plan has been in place for a very long time and I really don't think people are going to wake up in time. It's too late all ready, we all inhaled Pu so if that's true we're all dead any ways the world is dead. Should we just live are lives to the fullest and not worry about waking people up because if it is really this bad which it is then people should die happy and not worried on how their all being murdered. I just don't know anymore I haven't giving up hope but I know the reality in which we live and there's no looking back on a bright and happy future cause there isn't going to be one.


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  • Speedy

    Remember the huge strawberries earlier this year ? Well I was at the local farmers market today and was checking out the produce…I saw cherries that were the size of golf balls…I asked where they were from, he said " not sure" …I am sure they weren't from here, our cherries aren't ready…..I usually carry my Inspector with me but didn't have it today…I watched people buying them and raving about the size…heads in the sand…


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    • Those heads are buried in something much worse than sand.. Bending way over and all the way around…

      Ignorance and denial is sooooo painful… as a life lesson..


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    • Where do you live, Speedy? Here in Vancouver BC, Washington state and Okanagan Valley BC cherries are available and appear visually normal. You only need 23 millionths of a gram of plutonium injested to effect an eventual human mortality. I doubt your inspector could detect that. You need more sophisticated equipment then what you have to detect a harmful internal dose in food.


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      • califnative califnative

        Mark-are you actually justifying low dose radiation mutating our food supply???


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      • Speedy

        @ Mark. I'm from western NY, and I understand that my Inspector has it's limits, it is only one of the things I use to limit my exposure to radiation…The abnormal size is the real clue to – just walk away…If I had my counter I would have tested them and that always starts a conversation. I use those coversations to start a seed, make them think, send them here. I find fruits and veggies that read higher than background on a regular basis right next to a different variety that doesn't and use that to help make my choice. I know it doesn't prove that what I choose is safe but it's my way to limit my exposure.


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    • califnative califnative

      Speedy-I know! this is off topic but I'm seeing this as well in romaine, celery, also notice apple cores are deformed, broccoli has this two tone color and the flowers are mutated, enlarged. I hate watching this happen to us.


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  • The military has traditional control over key info. They can hide much under the auspices of "national security". Those brave souls who insist often get a raw deal. No Crime Scene Investigation here, I'm afraid.


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  • tsfw tsfw

    I wish the host of this show wasn't so ridiculously corny because her content is right on. Are you reading? Stop being such a clown. I want to forward this to people who. I know will stop listening as soon as they hear your little ditties. A little professionalism goes a long way in getting people to take you seriously. I find her really hard to listen to.


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  • It was the American military that invented nuclear fission to transmute uranium into plutonium for bomb making.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project


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  • So I find it hard to believe a nuclear powered vessel of a nuclear powers navy would not have sophisticated radiation detection equipment. One would assume the vessel would be suitably equipped for nuclear warfare. Over seventy years of nuclear research it's sad the script for dealing with radiation exposure includes paying a doctor to convince a victim it is all in his/her head. If American soldiers are treated like the Japanese radiation refugees, what do you think will happen when the next meltdown happens in USA?


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  • Dick Shenary

    The EPA might as well adopt a sliding scale for allowable radiation exposure. It just doesn't matter what the EPA determines is allowable or not because once the radionuclides are in the environment there is absolutely nothing they can do about it. I am not in favor of raising the limits but this does not mean that NPPs will become more lax about releases. Operating releases will continue to be about the same. It would be the accidental releases that is causing all the concern and the EPA is completely powerless to address that issue.


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    • Sol Man

      Low scale, or high scale, it won't matter as people drop.


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    • humptydumpty humptydumpty

      There IS something they can do about it — they can report it through the media so as to warn people. A higher allowable limit will make it even less likely that it already is, that they will report dangerous levels. Remember how many of the monitoring stations went down after 3/11? That revealed the true "powerlessness" of the EPA — or more aptly, their tendency to cover up the truth.


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      • Sol Man

        I have attempted to warn various people of the danger since the event and the largest percentage of them had no interest whatsoever.
        So, even with warnings, it is like paddling up a waterfall.
        This seems to be the sad reality.


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  • The low quality troll has been trolling Fukushima Diary for over a month with same tactics. His intent is disruption at lowest effort on his side.

    Never joust an unarmed troll, LOL


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  • American Phoenix57

    “We've arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.”

    ― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

    The military nuclear genie is out of the bottle and the prostitute media, academia and hollywood will not be able to put it back. The loss of most of Japan as we know it will be the straw that breaks the nuclear camels’ back. In the mean time Canada and the United States are down wind and downstream. . .we are next. . . so it’s up to us to wake up as many loved ones, family and friends as we can and flood our elected officials with complaints and concerns until they do something or get voted out of Dodge.

    Corporate greed and power madness is killing the planet. She needs our help and we’re the only country with the balls to do anything about it. It’s time to spin our caps, dig in and swing for the fence America because this is definitely humanity’s last ups.


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  • Cooter Cooter

    About the EPA and the commenting.

    I just spoke with an EPA rep. (Jessica) 1-877-378-5457, toll free, who stated that you can comment as many times as you want at the EPA link below. My mom is 95 and I've drafted a comment for her and will list her name, because she said; "I want to make damn sure my voice is heard".

    http://www.regulations.gov/#!submitComment;D=EPA-HQ-OAR-2013-0689-0001
    Submit your comments, identified by Docket ID No. EPA-HQ-OAR-2013-0689

    NOTE!
    Even if you have commented once, you can post another comment, then another, as many as you want and hopefully each comment will be better crafted than the one before.

    If there are 6,700 tweeters and 20,000 who visit this site were to comment twice, this would represent over 50,000 comments.

    Lets stand together for our Constitutional right to Free Speech and make our voices heard. You only have until August 3 to comment.


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  • Alan Reid Alan Reid

    The longer down the time line the easier it's going to to get to plan and puff under cover of the mess from Ukrainian and Japanese contamination. the crap monitoring systems and the lag to discovery all help the killer do his work. Nuke is for DEATH nothing else. Get used to it. Slowing deaths is doable. Stopping them is not.


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  • antipodes

    Got it stock, This next batch of 100 hand outs 'Elders Statement on Fukushima ' is for Moe Foe.


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  • I like "The Daily Sheeple" for a contrarian look at modern society.

    One day after I "broke" the low quality troll story, and Before Its News picked up the story, now the Daily Sheeple has also come up with a government troll story. Check it out

    http://www.thedailysheeple.com/the-worst-trolls-on-the-internet-are-the-government-trolls_072014


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  • Here is my attempt for a Big Picture style

    "Health Care is not an acceptable substitute for Health"


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  • farmer

    If you all want to get this information out to the general public, contact Democracy Now! thru their web site and tell them! Several members of congress watch the program.


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  • clamshellernh clamshellernh

    epatalkingpointsflyer714.pdf

    http://www.nirs.org/climate/epatalkingpointsflyer714.pdf
    Here's the talking points please read and follow nirs.org

    Moving this over to off topic nuclear issues
    More to come
    It's been a fruitful day …

    Sent from my F-iPad


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  • califnative califnative

    clamshell-thanks for sharing that, good reference document :) It certainly has been fruitful with your help.


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