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554 comments to FORUM: Discussion Thread for May 26 – June 1, 2011

  • Godzilla

    Yes, get some rest, from Tokyo.

    Here’s the almost worthless Google translation of the last link:

    Debris or gas cylinders in buildings near the No. 4 pop Hukushima
    2011/5/31 16:01
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     TEPCO, 31, around 2:30 pm the same day in the south of Unit 4 reactor building the first nuclear power plant in Fukushima announced that Kina Hiroshi pop. According to TEPCO, has been working at the time the removal of debris using heavy equipment unattended and could have a ruptured gas tank was filled. The injured man had not.


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  • Gerry Hiles

    It troubles me that enenews is becoming too popular.

    Contradiction? NO.

    I have been with enenews from almost the start and when it was focussed on Fukushima and little else. But then along came such as who want to divert people to HuffPost, for instance, so that they post comments increasingly off topic and engage in little more than gossip (like HP).

    I suggest that if a comment does not include the word “Fukushima”, then it should be filtered out.


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    • Godzilla

      In general I agree that there should be some moderation, though maybe not an automatic filter on the word Fukushima.

      Yes, it gets in the way of rational discussion if there’s too much about how we’re all doomed omg it’s an Extinction Level Event caused by HAARP, Jews, Bilderbergers, and liberals.

      Maybe someone could volunteer to moderate the discussion in accordance with what the owner wants.


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      • extra knight

        oh jiminy crickets!

        leave it alone, the discussions are just fine, and so is the format, you cannot control mindless disinfo-queens, self-righteous, dullminded trolls and “both eyes wide shut” shills with an automatic word filter. so we have some overflow from godlike, deal with it. besides as we all know Nuclear Boy is Sick.


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    • Major Domo

      I’m starting to notice this a lot more too. Victim of success syndrome. It’s inevitable that, with more traffic, visitors, and greater popularity, that it will also invite the interest of the conspiracy nuts. We have several choice ones here already. I have my opinions too. But I’m only here to discuss a real threat to all life on the planet, not to some fucking idiot’s hallucinations or completely unfounded speculation. HAARP? Chem trails? Sorry to say this, but really, just Fuck off. Fukushima is a disaster because of an Earthquake, which caused major Tsunamis across Japan. Stuxnet? Technically impossible, as Stuxnet was designed to take out very specific SCADA systems, not used in any capacity in Fuku’s control centre. 911 was an inside job? Sorry, you’re so far beyond asshole, that an appropriate word has not been invented to describe you. Nut hey, to each his/her own. Those are my opinions, and it’s obvious there are those who have differing opinions.

      So I’ve been thinking the same thing – proliferation of off-topic nonsense. So here’s a possible solution. Create an separate area or category for the purely speculative fantasies. If after review, it is found to have some supporting evidence that would prove it as fact, or have a thread of sense, then you may get promoted from the kiddie playground, and get to hang with sensible adults. Again, just my humble opinions :)


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  • Gerry Hiles

    What I suggest does not subvert free speach, because there are plenty of other places to vent.

    I happen to be a member of Architects & Engineers for Truth (911) and IVAS (veterinary), for instance.

    These are special interest groups so, with them, I do not promote my opinions on other things and they would rightly even ban me if I tried to subvert their purpose.

    As a matter of fact: I got banned from HP for posting comments about 911 and the Zionist lobby in Washington, so why should not enenews ban/eliminate comments not related to Fukushima?


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    • extra knight

      because it subverts free speech and flies in the face of uninhibited, freedom of expression. because it is precisely what this website is not about, if i may be so fowards. because if you really want censorship and distortion of information, there is always the big box mass media outlets. besides as we all know Nuclear Boy is Sick.


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  • Cassie

    My .02 Gerry:

    The owner of the site states in the ABOUT section, that
    s/he wants to provide a site that addresses Fukushima
    and its consequences. My sense is the later topic is a broad one, and may not always include the word Fukushima.

    The site owner also states that this site is a public service, and there is a kindly feel to his or her words. We are given a wide latitude. This site is also a pressure cooker, facing an ELE is nerve wracking to say the least, and we need to blow off some steam from time to time.

    I would also like to say with no disrespect intended, that the hard science types periodically come here and start directing how, who and what should be posted with a somewhat narrow focus.

    I submit to you that perhaps this rigidity and dogmatic style is part of why there is a disaster in Fukushima in the first place. I would also like to submit that the way out of this mess necessitates a respect of others, their thoughts, feelings and opinions, and an ability to think outside the box. Perhaps if you read some of the posts with an open mind and heart you will learn some things.
    Cassie


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  • This is good Cassie,….I did a little digging too and found the same basic answer,….”Leterrip”! :-) Yeah,….we’ll possibly get attacked,….but it’s good exercise! :-)


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    • Cassie

      Thanks Jill.
      I think the scientists don’t realize they
      have had a status drop.
      Destroying the planet and its
      inhabitants will tend to tarnish a reputation.
      Now akin to used car salesmen and politicians.
      Bossy boots and control issues not
      going over well with the people right now.
      Yep I will get bashed I am sure.
      Same sh&t, different day. :)
      C


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      • Sandra

        It’s not nice to stereotype people. If we blindly bash all scientists we’re following the same mob mentality that leads to book burning. We need more educated people, not less.

        We should take more responsibility, use less power, and find some of our own. Maybe some of us can unplug from the corporations if we try.

        Have any here tried to cut their power use? How many kw/hr day average have you been able to get down too? Some of those big flat panel TVs use quite a bit.

        Who has solar panels installed? I’ve had them for hot water for decades, but none for electricity yet except a 20 Watt panel I take camping. Sky lights in the house help some, as do the low power bulbs. No desktop computer over 100 Watts now. Thinking about an iPad, only 10 Watts. Got rid of the Xbox 360 (180 Watts to stream video). Apple TV can stream at 3 Watts. The kids say an iPad will be good for games. Not quite the complexity but many good games and free or cheap too.


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        • ConnectTheDots

          Education doesn’t just come from books.

          That’s the problem with some intellectuals. They not only can’t think outside the box, they can’t think outside the “books.”

          True thinking and learning comes from open eyes, open ears and an open mind.


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          • ConnectTheDots

            For those wanting to live off the grid someday, there’s a great magazine called “Mother Earth News.” They also have a website http://www.MotherEarthNews.com.

            The magazine has tons of information on solar panel companies, gardening, and advice from folks who are living off the grid.


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  • The legalists and the esoterics.
    I used to say, tongue and cheek,…that I came from a mixed marriage. Mom was a republican, Dad a democrat. :-)


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    • Sandra

      A friend used to laugh and show a sign “Republicans for Biofuel”. She was a democrat.

      Is anyone using any alternate fuels (besides your neighbors!)? One guy in town is using old cooking oil. The smell makes people hungry though. I can’t afford a high tech car, but ride my bike more. An electric car is pretty expensive and takes a lot of electricity to charge. My neighbor thinks we’ll need more power plants to charge cars if they become really common. Maybe a home windmill would help? But the wind comes and goes.


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  • Do you remember Kathleen Turner and Michael Douglas in “War of the Roses”? Not a good recipe for,..Ohhh, let’s see,…CHILDREN???? But I digress.

    It prepared me for this kind of secrecy–Been fightin’ it for 50+ years.


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    • Jack

      Yes, Gerry Hiles, I admire your 9/11 Truth memberships, but
      WHAT have they accomplished besides “spreading the word”?
      Thanks to these tough survivor women. Many Thanks.
      Now, we will need to place our individual selves, and whatever
      collectives we trust, to a position which anticipates our local
      reality. Hardly anybody down in NM is talking about what you
      guys in the Ecotopia Northwest have been seeing in your face,
      on your plants, the yellow dust, the giant roses and dandelions.
      Down here we have so much military and guys who went from
      military-to-Federal-uniforms like ICE, “Border Patrol”, and
      the “Federal Protective Service” (seen one of those?).
      Most of these twenty-somethings do not have the slightest
      idea about our Constitution, Civil Rights, even American Culture. We got a bunch of Mexicans wrapped in Federal Cop Uniforms, projecting a Superior Attitude of “You should be AFRAID of ME!”…It is going to come down to slaughter in
      this country.


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    • Cassie

      Yes oldie goldie
      Gotta fight now don’t we?


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  • peachtree pam

    http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110531-701810.html

    TOKYO (Dow Jones)–Tokyo Electric Power Co. (9501.TO) said Tuesday that the sound of an explosion was heard at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear complex, but radiation levels haven’t increased and no injuries were reported, Kyodo News reported.

    The explosion was heard around 0530 GMT as wreckage was being removed by remotely controlled heavy machinery on the southern side of the No. 4 reactor building.

    Tepco said it was possible that a machine ruptured a buried gas tank, causing the explosion, the report said.

    -By Tokyo Bureau, Dow Jones Newswires; 813-6269-277


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  • COMMENTARY/ Hosting international sporting events could help Japan’s recovery

    BY KOSUKE INAGAKI SENIOR STAFF WRITER

    2011/05/31
    http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201105300205.html


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    • Jack

      Hey, the “Liquidator Olympics”….New events: The 90-second
      pick-up-and-move-the-concrete-blocks-then-run-out
      and fall down event.
      The “Lead Dump” accuracy event.
      The Helicopter-Boron-Cooling-accuracy-dump event.
      The “withstand 200 degrees F until you Die” event for time endurance.
      Of Course Ukraine holds all the World Records.


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  • No restart for south Japan reactors until safety assured -governor
    Mon May 30, 2011 1:28pm GMT

    TOKYO May 30 (Reuters) – Two nuclear reactors shut for maintenance in southern Japan will not be allowed to restart until Tokyo officials answer questions on safety policy, Saga prefecture’s governor Yasushi Furukawa said on Monday.

    Furukawa said he was not confident that new safety steps the central government ordered at nuclear operators after the Fukushima disaster go far enough to ensure safety at the 36-year-old Genkai nuclear plant, operated in the prefecture by Kyushu Electric Power Co .

    “We don’t think that we have to restart the reactors unless we can be persuaded that safety is secured,” Furukawa told reporters in Tokyo.

    http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFL3E7GU0DG20110530


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  • Fukushima forestry industry at risk of collapse due to ongoing nuclear crisis

    Forestry cooperatives that oversee woodlands in areas designated as no-entry zones and planned evacuation zones due to high levels of radiation from the ongoing nuclear crisis in Fukushima Prefecture are in danger of collapse, it has emerged.

    http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20110530p2a00m0na018000c.html


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  • Russia cancels war games with India, navy reacts strongly
    Shiv Aroor | New Delhi, May 31, 2011 | Updated 11:45 IST
    Navy chief wants a fighting-fit fleet
    India reviews security of navy bases

    Indra Joint exercise in 2010
    Indian and Russian soldiers during the Indra Joint exercise in Uttarakhand in 2010.
    In a big snub to India, Russia has cancelled two bilateral war games with the Indian Armed Forces after months of planning and a well-established arrangement. The move has left the Indian Navy furious over the “unprofessional manner” in which the decision was taken.

    Russia first called off the Indra series of exercises with the navy late in April. Later, it cancelled another planned war game with the army in June.

    The cancellation of the naval war game came as a rude shock as the cancellation came after five Indian warships reached Vladivostok. The ships were allowed to dock at Vladivostok as a port of call and then they had to sail back to India.

    Russia apparently stated that their warships were not available as they were deployed in Fukushima to help Japan in relief work in the wake of a massive earthquake followed by a tsunami and a major nuclear crisis.

    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/russia-cancels-war-games-with-india-navy-reacts-strongly/1/139895.html


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  • Tuesday, May 31, 2011
    Daio Paper Freezes Plan To Expand Capacity Of Factory In Fukushima

    TOKYO (Kyodo)–Daio Paper Corp. said Tuesday it has decided to freeze a plan to boost containerboard production capacity at a subsidiary factory in Iwaki, Fukushima Prefecture, citing radiation risks from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

    http://e.nikkei.com/e/fr/tnks/Nni20110531D3ZJF416.htm


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  • Atomic fallout: Global chill but nuclear not dead
    By Jon Hembrey, CBC News
    Posted: May 31, 2011 3:29 PM ET
    Last Updated: May 31, 2011 3:45 PM ET

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/05/30/f-future-nuclear-power-germany.html


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  • Arnie Gundersen: Three Things You Should Know About Fukushima
    Apr. 13 2011 – 7:56 pm

    Nuclear engineer Arnie Gundersen has plenty of experience with nuclear “events.” He was an expert witness during the investigation of the 1979 Three Mile Island accident and has studied the catastrophic failure at Chernobyl in 1986. He has critics aplenty — primarily from inside the nuclear industry who see him as a turncoat.

    Still, he’s one of the more knowledgeable sources you can find on nuclear power.

    In the video below, Gunderson discusses three aspects of the disaster at Fukushima that are worth considering.

    http://blogs.forbes.com/oshadavidson/2011/04/13/arnie-gundersen-three-things-you-should-know-about-fukushima/


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  • Solar, not nuclear, power gets the vote of delegates at environment forum

    Alexander Bychkov of the International Atomic Energy Agency delivers the opening presentation at the Gulf Environment Forum on Monday. (AN photo by Ben Harrison)

    By ROGER HARRISON | ARAB NEWS

    Published: May 31, 2011 00:38 Updated: May 31, 2011 00:38

    JEDDAH: Expert delegates at the Gulf Environment Forum’s opening session on nuclear power have suggested solar energy is the way forward.

    http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article442345.ece


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  • US Nuclear Watchdog: Global Effort Needed To Improve Emergency Response

    By Ryan Tracy, OF DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

    WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- The nuclear industry needs to respond to the nuclear crisis in Japan with a global effort to improve its ability to react to an emergency, the head of an industry-backed U.S. nuclear watchdog said Tuesday.

    The comments from James Ellis, president and CEO of the Institute of Nuclear Power Operations, came amid eroding support for nuclear energy in some countries. Germany announced Monday that it would abandon its nuclear program, and Switzerland has also approved a plan to decommission its nuclear plants. In the U.S., the Obama administration is still backing nuclear power, but public support for it has fallen.

    “This has been an international event,” Ellis told an audience at Johns Hopkins University’s School of Advanced International Studies Tuesday. “It demands an international response.”

    http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-market-news-story.aspx?storyid=201105311622dowjonesdjonline000300&title=us-nuclear-watchdogglobal-effort-needed-to-improve-emergency-response


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  • on borrowed time

    Rad-linked cancer an intangible numbers game
    http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110601f1.html


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  • on borrowed time

    Anthony, let’s hope support for nuke power drops to zero in the US soon!
    Lota of solar panels going on roofs in my city near Sacramento CA.


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  • Timeline: Nuclear power controversy in Germany

    Tue May 31, 2011 7:53am EDT

    (Reuters) – Germany has announced plans to shut all nuclear reactors by 2022, in a policy reversal drawn up in a rush after the Fukushima nuclear disaster in Japan.

    Following is a timeline of the controversy over nuclear power in Germany.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/31/us-germany-nuclear-events-timeline-idUSTRE74U2D620110531


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  • on borrowed time

    ANS (American Nuclear Society) Nuclear Cafe – all things nuclear site is back up.

    http://ansnuclearcafe.org/


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  • Mark V

    Haha, I like challenges, but on my own shedule, please, the universe? It works best this way for me I think.


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  • I know this is really off topic–but I think it could turn out to be vital information,…albiet a bit gross:

    Radioprotection effect of natural zeolite clinoptilolite. Radioprotekcioni efekat prirodnog zeolita klinoptilolita
    Mladenovic V.; Vitorovic, G.; Vukcevic, O.
    1997-01-01

    The investigation of the sorption of Cs-137 in electrolyte with composition similar to animal gastric juice showed that natural and sodium forms of clinoptilolite adsorbed 96-98% of the present activity. Two groups of male broiler chickens were used in in-vivo experiment. Each chick was per os administered with CsCl solution total activity of 3120 Bq and chicken of experimental group received clinoptilolitesuspension (1.6 g clinoptilolite per bird). Three and seven hours after contamination and protection, Cs-137 activity in meat of control group (only Cs-137) was about 70% higher than in the clinoptilolite group. in edible organs (gizzard, heart and liver) Cs-137 activity was significantly lower in clinoptilolite than in the control group. The level of decreasing was about 50-75%. (author)

    International Nuclear Information System (INIS)


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  • U.N. urges Japan nuclear safety overhaul after Fukushima
    Reuters By Kevin Krolicki and Shinichi Saoshiro | Reuters – 35 minutes ago

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-n-report-puts-focus-japan-nuclear-plant-020656057.html


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  • Japan’s ruling party on verge of split

    Jun 1, 2011 21:18 Moscow Time

    http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/06/01/51152544.html


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  • Tokyo Electric’s Financial Aid Is Risk for Japanese Bank Ratings, S&P Says
    By Kyung Bok Cho – Jun 1, 2011 2:49 AM PT

    ****Japanese banks’ credit ratings are at risk if they forgive loans made to Tokyo Electric Power Co., the operator of a stricken nuclear power plant, Standard & Poor’s said.

    In a worst-case scenario, debt waivers combined with deterioration of other loans because of the country’s record earthquake could negatively affect the ratings on some banks, S&P said in a statement today. ****

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-01/tokyo-electric-s-financial-aid-is-risk-for-japanese-bank-ratings-s-p-says.html


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  • Japan’s nuclear response ‘exemplary’
    Page last updated at 06:36 GMT, Wednesday, 1 June 2011 07:36 UK

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9501000/9501761.stm


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  • on borrowed time

    http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/02_03.html

    TEPCO to use additional facilities to store water

    The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi plant, which is struggling to remove radioactive water, says it may use 2 additional buildings inside the compound as storage.

    Tokyo Electric Power Company said on Wednesday that water levels are rising in underground tunnels extending from the No. 2 and 3 reactors and the basements of their turbine buildings. It said the levels rose for 24 hours through Wednesday evening.

    The water in the tunnel of the No. 2 reactor is now 30.6 centimeters below ground level, and 25.2 centimeters at the No. 3 reactor. The levels are causing concerns that the water may overflow from the shaft in the event of heavy rain.

    TEPCO hopes to use the two buildings, but with just one basement floor each they can hold only a limited amount of radioactive water.

    The firm says it will start operating a filtering system in the middle of this month to speed up the purification of highly toxic water.

    It adds that water levels have been falling in the basement of the No.1 reactor since Tuesday evening, possibly because of steam and evaporation. Radiation levels remain too high to determine the reason first hand.

    The firm is gauging radioactivity in underground water around the No. 1 reactor and checking if radioactive water is leaking from the building.

    Thursday, June 02, 2011 01:55 +0900 (JST)


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  • FACTBOX-Key political risks to watch in Japan
    Wed Jun 1, 2011 7:40am GMT

    By Kiyoshi Takenaka

    ****TOKYO, June 1 (Reuters) – Japan’s Prime Minister Naoto Kan faces a no-confidence vote, expected top come this week, over his handling of the world’s worst nuclear crisis since Chernobyl, and the government’s response to the March 11 earthquake and tsunami.

    Below are some of the key political risks to watch.

    NUCLEAR CRISIS

    More than two months after the tsunami crippled the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, workers are still struggling to restore sustainable cooling functions and to keep a growing body of radioactive water from leaking into the ocean.

    Plant operator Tokyo Electric Power in mid-May reconfirmed its plan to bring reactors under control by January, but Kyodo news agency quoted a senior official at the utility as saying there could be a “major delay” to such a timetable. ****

    http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFRISKJP20110601


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  • France powers ahead towards a nuclear future

    31 May 2011 Last updated at 05:05 ET Help

    ****European nuclear watchdogs are to begin checking the resilience of nuclear power plants to natural disasters in a bid to avert any crisis like that at Japan’s stricken Fukushima plant.

    Germany, Italy and Austria have reacted to the catastrophe by mothballing their nuclear plans.

    However, France, which houses 58 of the EU’s 143 reactors is busy building new plants at Flammanville in the north of the country.****

    Emma Jane Kirby reports.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13598083


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  • Too Radioactive to Fail
    A bailout of Japan’s Tepco would send all the wrong signals.
    1 June 2011 by Nicole Gelinas

    Three years ago, financial markets suffered what’s popularly called a “meltdown,” and governments came to the rescue with multitrillion-dollar bailouts. Nearly three months ago, a Japanese nuclear-power installation began to suffer a real meltdown, and now Japan’s response might include a financial bailout of nuclear-power company Tepco. If the bailout happens, it will be at least as damaging as those given to the financial firms, making it more difficult to determine how risky Japan’s nuclear power is and how much it should cost to compensate for that risk.

    http://www.city-journal.org/2011/eon0601ng.html


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    • Opponents of this course of action could wield two arguments. One is that the tsunami’s impact on Fukushima was an unforeseeable, unpreventable event and that Tepco investors shouldn’t bear the costs of a natural disaster that is no one’s fault. The other argument acknowledges that the meltdown was preventable: watchdogs had long questioned the wisdom of building nuclear stations in earthquake zones and had also questioned the adequacy of Tepco’s backup systems. But the responsibility to prevent disaster lay with regulators, not the company, this argument goes, and so it isn’t fair to penalize the company’s creditors. As Mure Dickie, the Financial Times’s Tokyo bureau chief, wrote last month, “It was the state that designed Japan’s nuclear power industry and built the regulatory regimes that failed to ensure its safety.”


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  • SteveMT

    That is a lot of sushi, Anthony.

    With my computer like, and the help of Bloomberg currency converter, that is equal to: $357 Billion.

    Just yesterday, TEPCO estimated that the cleanup would cost $250 Billion. In one day, $100 Billion more.

    Between you and I, the cost of this really will be a Trillion dollars. They are still lying.


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  • Radiation Exposure and Air Travel: Should We Worry?
    By Ronnell Hansen, M.D., and Elisa Hansen, D.O.

    ■ With the federal government introducing new advanced imaging scanners at airports, the traveling public has become concerned about the radiation exposure they may receive when passing through scanners as well as during flight. This article offers a primer on radiation and the extent to which exposure from various sources can affect health. It also provides advice for physicians whose patients may have concerns about radiation exposure during air travel.

    The catastrophic events at Japan’s tsunami-damaged Fukushima nuclear power plant and media reports about inappropriately high radiation doses delivered during medical imaging have heightened public concern about the potential long-term consequences of radiation exposure. Although we presume a positive risk-benefit ratio from diagnostic scans and medical treatments that involve radiation, there is growing concern about the health effects of the cumulative amount of radiation individuals are exposed to over the course of their lifetime. With the recent addition of more security scanners at airports around the country, the public has expressed concern about the amount of radiation they may be exposed to when passing through security and flying.

    This article provides background on radiation and discusses what is known about its potential effect on biologic systems as well as the statistical risk of radiation exposure in airports and on airplanes.

    http://www.minnesotamedicine.com/CurrentIssue/RadiationExposureandAirTravelShouldWeWorry/tabid/3777/Default.aspx


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    • DapperDo

      I couldn’t get this airplane article to show up…need to see that!
      Anthony, Thanks for all the helpful stories!… I think the Fukushima crisis is the most interesting, tragic, and newsworthy subject of 2011!


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  • OT – Homeland Security warns of ‘heavy’ hurricane season

    By Agence France-Presse
    Wednesday, June 1st, 2011 — 8:51 pm
    Print 1

    WASHINGTON — US Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano warned Wednesday that a “heavy” US hurricane season could be in store, after briefing President Barack Obama on latest forecasts.

    Obama gathered top disaster preparedness officials, state and local authorities and non-profit groups for a White House meeting on the first day of the Atlantic hurricane season to discuss this year’s predictions.

    The season, which runs to November 30, will feature atmospheric conditions which experts predict will lead to formation of 12 to 18 named tropical storms, of which six to 10 could become hurricanes, according to the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/06/01/homeland-security-warns-of-heavy-hurricane-season/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story%29


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  • xdrfox

    Not to be snide, but where are the scientist and their input ?


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    • tony wilson

      but where are the scientist and their
      input ?

      that is a little cynical and typical of the fear mongering on this site : )

      the world of science is a busy place.
      day in day out injecting acid in rabbits eyes,grafting extra ears onto rabbits.
      imagine the exhaustion of striking a light for hundreds of chain smoking beagles.
      then they have to draft reports about how science is saving the world.
      collecting the payment bribe from the corporation to say how great this or that new drug is.
      home to the wife and kids then bed.
      how can they possibly have time to even think about the troubled fuky plant never mind explain to idiot unbelievers how great areva,iaea,tepcogov are.
      the main reason is the atom is a very complex thing and best left to the people that can understand.


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      • xdrfox

        From my understanding this discussion thread was created for the scientist that was interested in conversing with out a lot of IM ing like traffic, He was welcomed by the Administrator and possibly took his hint, now you know !


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  • on borrowed time

    Unfortunately both medecine and physics are a constantly evolving “art” not science. We can’t get definitive answers because there is no historical data for a situation like Fukushima; not much different than dealing with HIV when it first appeared in humans.

    Greed “the root of all evil” and pride “goeth before the fall” have suppressed the timely release of data needed for analysis and solutions.

    In my opinion, even the “experts” are only making “educated” guesses at this point.


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  • on borrowed time

    Wastewater rises, fears mount

    http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/02_18.html
    The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant is struggling to remove pools of highly radioactive wastewater as fears of an overflow get more intense.

    Tokyo Electric Power Company says wastewater levels rose around 6 centimeters inside the No.2 reactor turbine building, and in its utility tunnel, during the 24-hour period through Thursday morning.

    Increases were also seen inside the No.3 and 4 reactor turbine buildings.

    The water level in the utility tunnel is now just 28 centimeters from the surface outside the No.2 reactor, and 24 centimeters from the surface outside the No.3 reactor.
    Tokyo Electric plans to start using a water purifier by the middle of this month. But as an emergency measure it’s preparing to remove wastewater pooled inside the No.3 reactor turbine building to its turbine condenser.

    The utility is also considering using 2 additional buildings inside the compound as storage.

    The level of wastewater inside the No.1 reactor building dropped 8 centimeters on Thursday morning from Wednesday, unlike the other facilities.

    Tokyo Electric is measuring the level of radiation in groundwater near the plant to check for possible wastewater leakage.

    Thursday, June 02, 2011 13:03 +0900 (JST)


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