Expert: Now 8 ‘source zones’ of oil & gas could be feeding area underneath giant sinkhole (VIDEO)

Published: March 20th, 2013 at 12:32 pm ET
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Title: Joint Natural Resources
Source: Louisiana State Senate
Date: March 18, 2013

At ~13:30 in

Gary Hecox, geologist working on the sinkhole issue for the State of Louisiana:

Don Marlin, who’s our 3-d seismic expert, using the 2007 3-d seismic has identified 8 potential hydrocarbon source zones that could be feeding the disturbed rock zone and into the MRAA [Mississippi River Alluvial Aquifer].

This analysis will be updated as soon as we receive the 2013 3-d seismic data that Texas Brine is undertaking right now. That survey is scheduled to be completed and data turned over to the state by April 22.

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Published: March 20th, 2013 at 12:32 pm ET
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52 comments to Expert: Now 8 ‘source zones’ of oil & gas could be feeding area underneath giant sinkhole (VIDEO)

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    The'disturbed rock zone' ..yep…this is trouble.

  • Sol Man

    How deeply might fracking disturb these zones?

    • We Not They Finally

      Interesting point. In one of the early community meetings, Hecox or someone else (one of the State geologic experts) say this resulted from "a frack-out," meaning too aggressive fracking. But I've not seen talk of it since.

      • Sol Man

        I actually meant to ask: how deeply might fracking have disturbed these zones? In other words, the damage has already been done, so now various other factors come into play to extend those fractures/ weaknesses.

      • Thad

        WTNF
        No- Hecox said hydraulic fracturing at top of cavern caused by
        pressure spike when bottom collapsed inward. That is totally different to hydro-fracking that you're thinking of.
        There was/ is no hydro-fracking within 300 mi.

        • PavewayIII PavewayIII

          Why bother, Thad? Shut your brainstem down and bathe in the ignorance.

          It's obvious Texas Brine must have been fracking to stimulate the brine formation. *Then* they dumped the fracking waste into the cavern before filling it with highly radioactive NORM materials. The DEQ didn't allow this at the time and forced Texas Brine to move the NORM out of the cavern.

          The did this the cheap and easy way: fracked the entire cavern to cram the radium and thorium particles into the fractured salt walls – technically, *out* of the cavern.

          Unfortunately, this created a molten-salt reactor. There was no control rods, so they just cut and dropped the production tubing into the molten salt to scram the cavern.

          The pressure shot up during the meltdown, so Jindal (through his LA DNR cronies) ordered them to circulate out the gasses and check for deadly hydrogen sulfide NORM. Texas Brine fired up the suck truck, but forgot they also dropped the casing during the scram. Because brine is heavier than fresh water, the pumping created a huge vacuum in the cavern. That eventually sucked in the sheath, a couple of crocks and some of the bayou. They tried to plug the sinkhole with an aquatard, but failed.

          Root cause: Texas Brine and LA DNR sucking

          • Thad

            p3
            Are really tha that ignorant about solution mining a saltdlme or playing a silly game.

            If you are that ignorant it is a waste of time talking with you.
            And if just a silly game you will just hve to play with yourself.

  • Thad

    OK They have got the targets -when does the drlg of the pressure relief wells begin? When does the drlg of the cement and seal wells begin—-

  • Lion76 Lion76

    the water aquifers are destroyed/being destroyed at this very minute.

  • Cisco Cisco

    Like Fukushima, there is no fix. The Bayou Corne sinkhole's life expectancy is now somewhat like the hot springs and geysers at Yellowstone. They just keep venting. They might/will stop when there's a huge explosion.

    The sinkhole will continue to grow as the edge of the Napoleonville Dome dissolves and collapses. Only a major collapse might (very slim chance) cause the dome and the adjacent rock to seal itself. But, I wouldn't hold out much hope for that. That would be a miracle, I'd say.

    And just like Fukushima, the greedy bastards have screwed the pooch. Their handiwork and genius have fuc#ked Assumption Parish, FOREVER!

  • irhologram

    8 source zones? Meaning possibly…other caverns? With other NORM and other flammable components?

    • PavewayIII PavewayIII

      Yes. Fifty-some caverns, each with a high-level radioactive waste basement layer covered with tons of stemaing fracking waste and then filled to the brim with deadly gases and toxic solvents

      Why? Is that a problem?

      • We Not They Finally

        Well, it might not be a problem for the likes of the rats who just munched through the electrical wiring of the makeshift control panel at Fukushima staving off the end of the world. They would probably find it just yummy. But us humans? Yeah, maybe a bit of a problem….

        • PavewayIII PavewayIII

          Then there is no problem. The State of Louisiana cares about royalty income from oil and gas – nothing else. All the wetlands preservation B.S. is a bad joke on the people of Louisiana. It preserves valuable industrial development space for future exploitation and pipeline right-of-ways.

          It took oil and gas about $500,000 in bribes… er, political contributions… to buy Landrieu. What's she done for the wetlands in Louisiana the last few months? Sold them out to another Texas gas company so they can export the gas and help drive up prices right here in the U.S. And why would she do that? Because there's gas in Louisiana formations that needs frackin'.

          Brine Buster Bobbie flies in whining 'make it like it was, Texas Brine… and we MEAN it this time!' But tomorrow he'll be selling offshore leases like he always has and approving some other filthy chemical plant somewhere because it will 'create' several bazillion jobs.

          They use to use that excuse a decade ago for offshore, and booted the 'expensive' Americans off the rigs as soon as they could find Honduran or Fillipino replacements. They're apparently less than human – a politicians' delight.

          • Thad

            PWIII
            It is amazing the bad or mis-information you gotten -the only land the state gets royalities from is state land which includes the three mile near shore strip. All the other is to the private party owning the land/ mineral rights. Same for pipeline. You can go on line and find a map of La State Land–
            Offshore leases outside the three mile limit are all federal not state.
            Floater and semi rigs have two crews- the drlg crew and the marine crew. Most drl crews are US/UK/Aus those not American were picked when the rig drld in their country. The marine crew usually Filipinos or Malasian sailors — the US is short of merchant sailors.
            Yeah Landrieu and Vitter real disappointments –but what politicians aren't.
            The price of gasoline/ fuels– did you know the US has been a net EXPORTER for the last couple of years- that the US domestic oil is bought on and at the world market price.

            Want to control US domestic fuel/oil price. Have your faithful politicians pass laws, set a benchmark price – domestic price below allow exports, at or above curtail exports… If the oil companies were making a profit,and they were, at $1.70/gal 5yrs ago they can today– Other exporting countries use the same or similar system and it works–
            Unforseen upside – alternate energy–Lower the profit on domestic oil,the oil company will want to replace it to have more to export for higher profit.

            http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-29/u-s-was-net-oil-product-exporter-in-2011.html

            • PavewayIII PavewayIII

              Just checked it again on SONRIS. Looks the same to me.

              http://sonris-www.dnr.state.la.us/gis/agsweb/IE/JSViewer/index.html?TemplateID=381

              Plenty of money to be made on state lands. And you left out the $100M or so a year that Louisiana may be making off of the fed offshore leases in 2017. I say 'may' because Obama is already trying to siphon that back off for another Solyndra.

              The point isn't about Louisiana taxpayers benefitting – they NEVER will. It's all about the hundred years of plantation mentality used by the state government. It's created an endless cycle of exploitation in that state. Texas Brine isn't an anomaly, it's the norm.

              Here's what Louisiana perma-victims can look forward to: TEPCO forward-bought a huge part of Hackberry's LNG production at something like $3.30/Mcf starting in 2017.

              http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_22538600

              So all that Louisiana fracking, pipelines and LNG plant building and all the new canals really benefit the Japanese people, right? Well, no.

              TEPCO is working to restart the nuke plants. Their so busy working on restarting Daiichi 5 & 6 that they don't have time to bother much with 1-4. They never talk about the billions of yen they're spending to restart 5 & 6.

              By 2017, LNG might be at $15-$20Mcf and TEPCO won't need it, but you can bet they'll take delivery from Jindal's LNG Plantation. TEPCO will make billions, not their Louisiana servants.

              • Thad

                P-3
                You're on a roll

                • PavewayIII PavewayIII

                  Not really…

                  I think the connection is remarkable and certainly qualifies as energy news, but I can't even get a 'schill' accusation out of Lion76. Where's the love?

                  The DOE will kill my dog if I keep mentioning Hackberry and TEPCO, so it's probably better to shut up and wait for *those* perma-victims to show up on their own disaster thread.

                  Too late folks – you've been TEPCO'ed.

            • PavewayIII PavewayIII

              "…Have your faithful politicians pass laws, set a benchmark price – domestic price below allow exports, at or above curtail exports…"

              I have no representation in Washington and have ethical issues with bribery. Even if I did have the money, I couldn't compete with the big-time foreign bribers. How much do you think it's going to cost TEPCO to buy the DOE for more LNG?

              In an ideal, fantasy world I would love to see some guarantee that export prices are above consumer oil and gas prices. Forget it.

              Here's what's going to happen:

              1. Get as many people hooked on the new crack – natural gas – as soon as possible. Keep it cheap so power companies madly convert to NG. Let drillers go hog-wild and permit pipelines up the wazoo. Give federally-guaranteed loans to scamster 'green' electric car companies. Give consumers tax breaks for electric cars.

              By 2017, natural gas prices will skyrocket. Why? Well, that's just the way it works.

              -U.S. consumers will have a huge 'natural gas surcharge' added to their electric bills, which will have doubled by then to pay for past/future nuclear stuff.

              -It will end up being cheaper to run a car on wood rather than recharge an electric one.

              -You could rely on nationwide mass transit, but all that money went to crooks who outright stole it or squandered it away.

              -Get a job at the LNG complex. Use your Chinese-made bicycle for work – it's all you can afford.

      • FREEDOMROX

        LOL, Paveway…your pendantic summation of future events is unparalleled.. succinctly stated and accurate…just a matter of time…

    • 16Penny 16Penny

      The 8 source zones are referring to hydrocarbon containing geological formations that intersect the edge of the salt dome near the cavern 3 failure. I do not think they are talking about other leaking caverns yet.

      • We Not They Finally

        And you take "hydrocarbon containing geological formations" to mean WHAT? They are not above ground. They are CAVERNS.

        • FREEDOMROX

          No sir, they are speaking of the oild sand abutting against the salt and which normally flow to one fault block to the next in a semi-circular pattern around the dome, yet when Oxy 3 failed and the fault triggered and shook a rock and sedimentary area to pieces all the way to the surface allowed a less resistant pathway for formations pinched up against the some a means to express itself without the overburden factor keeping it underneath the denser sedimentary rock surface…essentialy a hole in the ground under 5500 psi forcing the formation water, gas and oil to the surface in an offset manner.

  • Stacey Stacey

    This is old but informative. If you haven't seen it, it's worth 14min of ones time. PEACE OUT

    http://www.disclose.tv/news/Sinkhole_HBomb_explosion_equivalent_in_Louisiana_possible/85769

    • We Not They Finally

      I went to that link. And yes, everyone should read it. That was back last August, 2012, when they said that the sinkhole was just 1500 feet from 1.5 million gallons of liquid butane, which if exploded, would be like 100 Hiroshima bombs. How could the sinkhole have NOT expanded that far by now? It expanded from 9 acres to 12 acres in just the past week! How imminent is this danger? Should they not be planning widespread evacuations NOW?

      • Thad

        We Not They Finally
        The liquid butane was moved to another cavern farther away-

        The Hiroshima explosion- first the gas would have to be taken fron the cavern- can't explode in the cavern no air– Butane is liguid so would have to be vaporised- methane and others lighter than air- out and gone– For a huge explosion it would require a huge amount of gas held together long enough to mixed with a minimum of 8 to 12 times as much air THEN ignite all at once–
        Prevention- simple at the first leak light it and burn– burn it and an large explosive mixture can not accumulate. That is exactly the purpose of the vems/flares being used.
        Before screaming shill- search MSDS-methane, MSDS-propane, MSDS-butane. Check the LEL and HEL– 'low explosive limit' and 'high explosive limit'– this is the percent in air range where each will explode—

        • Stacey Stacey

          @Thad – "We Not They Finally" Does NOT sound like a "SHILL". Asking reasonable questions about why the sinkhole expanded so fast in such a short amount of time and "imminent danger", is reminiscent of a person who is concerned.

          PEACE OUT

          • Thad

            Stacey-
            'We Not They Finally' first is not a "shill" nor was I call him a shill and he is aware of what the comment was about. And if he though was directed at him he would have said so.
            There are those here that when anything mentioned that disagrees, that indicates the danger is not as great as they think/or want they cry "shill".
            And the discussion was more about the explosion possibility than rate of expansion

      • Stacey Stacey

        @We Not They Finally – Apologies for taking so long. I had to think about how to respond to "Imminent danger"

        Hum…you win. The video is quite old as is probably best suited for someone on my level, "Sinkholes & Salt Mines for Beginners".

        I don't know why it has suddenly expanded. In my opinion, FREEDOMROX or timemachine2020 (both active on this site) may be better sources of information as to why this sinkhole suddenly expanded (according to the video)when compared to prior months.

        How imminent is the danger? As far as in “imminent danger” from explosions as suggested in the video – I don’t think that’s predictable for the following reasons: A situation like this has never existed before (no known history). It’s unknown exactly what and how much is stored in the caverns (omission, lies, and chemical change). Effects of direct/indirect influences from Geo-Engineering and High frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) is unknown. Divine Intervention – everything goes right for all the wrong reasons; thus, preventing what should have occurred according to known natural laws. NOTE: I’m neither a religious person nor an affiliate (by choice) to sects.

        “Imminent danger” to the environment and effects on the population happened long before the salt mine storage breach was made public. I do NOT believe the public is being told the truth about the Bayou Corne catastrophe, which has all the hallmarks of Federal Govt.involvement.

        PEACE OUT

      • 16Penny 16Penny

        We Not They Finally,

        I have posted this before and will repeat it. If you want to find the original post and discussion that is on you.

        It is possible for the liquid butane or any other liquid fuels to become a huge problem. One potential pathway is for a subterranean collapse to cause large volumes of liquids to come shooting out above ground. Depending on the type liquid and it's properties, there could be a large explosive hazard. The same person who will argue that this is not possible has even put forth his opinion that the "frack out" of the failed #3 cavern was caused by the over pressuring of the cavern wall on the shale flank while the initial collapse occurred. This is the same natural pumping mechanism discussed in this collapse:

        "In 2001, the collapse of roof material from the surface formed a crater almost 200m in diameter and caused 1.7 million m3 of brine to spill. A second collapse in 2004 enlarged the sinkhole and highlighted the need to find a solution to stabilize the current situation. "

        https://www.esgsolutions.com/CMFiles/Technical%20Resources/Case%20Studies/Salt%20Mine%20Romania%20v2.pdf

        • 16Penny 16Penny

          And it is discussed in this collapse:

          “Secondly, Explosions are effects that commonly accompany collapses, particularly in cases where a breakdown cavity was disconnected from original cavities located at the level of origin (cave systems or mines) by breakdown material. The mass of falling rocks acts as a piston that compresses the air in a closed volume. The compressed air causes a growing counteraction, and at some moment it “shoots” up. Even formation of small collapses commonly causes a loud noise resembling a gunshot. … Moreover, the cavity was filled by combustible gases. Their ignition, probably caused by sparking from the falling drill string of borehole No. 10, had added the lightning effects to the explosion and amplified the noise effect. Conditions for the gas explosion were created by the piston effect. Ignition of compressed gasses amplified the pneumatic explosion and added the chemical component.”

          http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1236&context=ijs

          I think the chances of a subterranean collapse leading to an ejection of some explosive gas stored as fluid are minimal, I also think it would be foolish to say it is impossible without doing research on the topic first.

        • Thad

          "The same person who will argue that this is not possible has even put forth his opinion that the "frack out" of the failed #3 cavern was caused by the over pressuring of the cavern wall on the shale flank while the initial collapse occurred. This is the same natural pumping mechanism discussed in this collapse:" Dr.Hecox The void from the downward moving gravity driven pressurizing material came from is manifested as the sinkhole.

          'the chances of a subterranean collapse leading to an ejection of some explosive gas stored as fluid are minimal'
          –any collapse would have be vertical–downward if gravity driven, upward if pressure driven as top has less overburden. This fits with Hecox- downward sediment weight/ pressure collapsing cause breach infilling cavern causing pressure spike that 'blew' the out top. Hydrostatic of sediment @ 5,500 ft 5,977 psi this pressure was transmitted hydraulically to top of the cavern where the overburden pressure was 2,608 psi differential pressure– 3,369 psi
          The Romanian event seems similar to Oxy#3 in one way but different instead of mining too close to the outside it was mined to close to the top. The Ural event was in a conventional mine.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    This shows 8 sources..the layer marked Marg A on the right doesn't seem to have the same involvement with the dome..

    http://classic.edsuite.com/proposals/proposals_280/typical_seismic_cross_section_-_dnr_fi_336.jpg

    • Thad

      HotR
      The seismic profile is not new but from Golden Gulf and from the opposite side of the dome-BUT is a very good illustration of the structuring of the Napoleanville saltdome.

      • FREEDOMROX

        Which shows your ignorance in the extreme Thad. A .3 mile square 3D 2007 seismic survey was released to Mr. Marlin and has been shown in two presentations to date and referenced in many articles. The survey released is of the WEST Side of the Salt Dome and it shows all formation sands bearing oil and gas sands abbuting the western edge of the Salt Dome and looking at this image from the West. It also shows the approximately 2350 ft. fault lines close to the 2010 mill out by Texas Brine, as well as the 15 year produced oil well and semi-depleted oil formation just under Oxy 3 and pressuring against the shale sheath at depth. Hooker #1 Oil Well was bored to a depth of 6200 ft., hence the name SUA 6200. Your experise is sadly lacking in this area.

        This from the so-called ENE EXPERT OIL Driller, who cannot tell east from west…Your credibility, however tenous, is now absolutely gone. Even a first year, WORM, knows more than what you have shown.. From now on, maybe the local Bingo Parlor would suit your tastes better, rather than carrying on pointless diatribes of which you demostrate very little knowledge of.

        Maybe try reading and comprehending research would actually enlighten you. Somehow I doubt it, but always worth a try. Mr. Marlin knows his work, and expresses it for all to see.

        Louisiana Sinkhole: Answers are Forthcoming (UPDATED)
        http://freedomrox.wordpress.com/2013/02/10/louisiana-sinkhole-answers-are-forthcoming/

        • Thad

          F rox
          As usual your inability to communicate witout insult shows. Do you only get insultimg when your arguement becomes weak?
          When unable to convince-insult–
          Sorry that your great expose' fizzled, that all the dire events of dissolving saltdome are not happening. All yiur data 'interpertation' is slanted to meet pre concieved assumptions.
          Have a nice day-

          • FREEDOMROX

            Oh, Thad, talk about the kettle calling the pot black…

            Let's see here.
            "@Lion 76
            You have impressed us with the ignorance in your smart remark…"

            "Now surprise us with your intelligence.."

            Now I can bring up many other examples of your hypocrisy, but why bother?

            Truth is, my expose', as you call it had the precise effect that is was meant for… We shall all see in the coming weeks what develops. As I said before, there will be no more Grand Bayous/Bayou Corne's as long as I have breath in my body to keep exposing the lies and perfidy of (S)elected Officials.

            As for anything else you have to offer Thad? Please…don't. Do us all a community service.

        • FREEDOMROX

          By the way it's Grand Gulf, and Golden Gate. Geez, you certainly aren't up to snuff for even Paveway III's tastes. Is your name Dr. Ratard? Retard? Never can remember that name?

          • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

            Boy….he just doesn't stop, does he? Every single thread you go on, there is this vicious attacking,and name calling.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    There are those that have data on the yields from these reservoirs.
    How much?
    No..don't tell me.

    • FREEDOMROX

      Love you Rose. Never stop the questions, nor allow your light to be dimmed…also, Stacey…welcome. as you can see, reason is needed, as well as good conversation.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    @FREEDOMROX..
    Umm..I find conversation rather strained on the threads concerning the sinkhole.
    You don't know me..FREEDOMROX..so the word 'love' might be a bit ..over the top.
    But ok to hear.on a day that..I am tired to death of being some anonymous tech geek.
    It's all good.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    PS..The disturbed geological layers meets the salt dome… in which the quality is degrading
    Subparallel…yaah.

  • irhologram

    So, I was following your sub-parallel/ meteor link and found it to be about spalling quartz, tectonic, or shock impact events. It is interesting to note that my research of Florida found the basement rock to be quartz…as is the top of the small mountain in NW LA. So…events to produce sub Parallel fracturing…. Exploding nukes in caverns? Just because the area sits on old volcanic activity?

  • irhologram

    Expanding earth theory? BP?

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    @irhologram..Thanks you for trying to put words around some of the thoughts..I am working on.
    Wanna talk micro-fracturing..lol.