Published: June 17th, 2012 at 1:57 pm ET
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Interview with John Casti
Coast to Coast AM with John B. Wells
June 16, 2012
At ~45:00 in
You can see there’s a positive side to even the most negative kind of event [...]
Think about Fukushima [...]
I was speaking in Japan in April and I said to the audiences I was talking to [...]
You think this was one of the worst things that ever happened to Japan [...]
I’d be willing to bet that many if not all of you in this room would say this is not one of the worst things to ever happen to Japan, this is one of the best things to ever happen to Japan [...]
Creative destruction [...]
I received my Ph.D. in mathematics under Richard Bellman at the University of Southern California in 1970. I worked at the RAND Corporation in Santa Monica, CA, and served on the faculties of the University of Arizona, NYU and Princeton [...] I am also a member of the External Faculty of the Santa Fe Institute in Santa Fe
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Published: June 17th, 2012 at 1:57 pm ET
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Moreon that Santa Fe Institute
http://nucleardiner.com/archive/item/bomblegacy
"Many of SFI’s founders were senior fellows at Los Alamos National Laboratory. … the Manhattan Project has become an important case study for understanding conflict."
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i just can't get into this… i mean, yeah revolution, x-events, whatever they're called. it's good to look at these things from afar intellectually, but for those in the thick of it–and 10 yrs isn't going to be looking very good for the children, offspring, you name it–this remains a horrendous time and i have no idea when, if ever, it will end. i ask myself all the time, laura, is that your ptsd talking, projecting you onto the world? i mean, i live w/ a 24/7 pain condition. but when it comes right down to it, no, i don't think so. we know from chernobyl, 26 yrs… 26 yrs. maybe it brought down the soviet union, but life hasn't improved a hell of a lot. no, life is hell thanks to human beings who seek power and money.
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Moineau – IMO, there's definitely something "off" about the interview – coming from both the interviewer and from Casti. They comfortably stay "in their heads"; they bring no natural emotional response such as empathy into their discussion. I find it very offensive (and quit listening after I think they'd "explored" Casti "advice" to the Japanese.) Worse yet, IMO, for all their "head work", they do not explore Casti's thesis in an analytical, critical thinking way. Casti shares his thesis, his interviewer prompts him with modest questions that do not challenge. How comfortable for them. Annoying and worse to my listening mind! I don't 'sense' a single iota of genuine compassionate interest in humanity from either one of them.
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You can tell the propagandists by how they relate to the phrase "conspiracy theorist." Conspiracies are commonplace. It's the most common criminal charge. Humans conspire like the body breathes.
Ever sign a non-disclosure agreement? That's a conspiracy to give the owner of the agreement an unfair advantage in the marketplace. Why should anyone have a secret from anyone? To gain unfair advantage.
Most corporations are organized legal conspiracies.
It's more useful to analyze WHO BENEFITS from any given conspiracy than to chuckle about the "theory."
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moineau, no need to tell me if it is too personal or you'd rather not for any other reason, but I am wondering what your pain condition is. Does it pre- or post-date the Fukushima debacle?
I have a pretty bad pain problem myself, that just came upon me after 3/11.
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Well, I've always thought that there's going to be little improvement in world affairs unless somehow the earth was endangered from without, e.g. [forgive me] an alien attack.
We have the equivalent of a large-scale alien invasion right now. Their little bullets are now ping-pong-ing all over the planet wreaking destruction to food, land, plants, ocean, animals and people.
A normal reaction would be for the earthlings to try and take those invaders out.
Not only have they released their nano-bullets, they desperately want to hide the fact of their release then fire off yet more of them to finish us (& themselves) off completely.
They've also made sure all future generations will be finished off completely.
One way might be to try and take them out while they're reloading.
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"Not only have they released their nano-bullets, they desperately want to hide the fact of their release then fire off yet more of them to finish us (& themselves) off completely."
Brilliant, that's the way we should be looking at this. An ANTI-HUMAN race, infiltrated us and has tricked us into doing the unthinkable.
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Is this another way of saying order "out of disorder".
Talk about…psyop..
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Ok, so using that kind of reasoning, why don't we just nuke the entire planet? Then 10 years from now we can all wake up, and everything will be much better. And we'll be well-rested too. I feel so much better now, I think I'll go take a nap.
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So well put!
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I'd like to say harsh things to this guy.
Ummph…the usual typos..
"Order Out Of Disorder"
Where have I heard that before?
How dare he say this disaster will benefit Japan?
Ya.. folks in Japan..try to see yourself "blessed" somehow.
RAND.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAND
He's a professional facilitator..government mouthpiece.
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Can't make up my mind whether this guy is
a) clueless
b) a pyschopath
c) an industry tool
d) an insensitive jackass
would love to see him and his family sent to Fukushima prefecture for 6 months and then check back with him to see if it's the best thing to happen to Japan.
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e) All of the above
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f) Evil military strategist out to destroy the world and still holding grudge from WW2.
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g) e and f
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I'm with getoutwhileyoustillcan – but I'm including John B Wells, interviewer. Wells had ample opportunity to challenge, but seemed perfectly comfortable to follow Corsi's lead. Wells even made at least one observation along the line of "you and me" (Wells and Corsi) "are among those who think about these leading ideas" … or something like that. Coast2coast is usually call-in, don't know if callers might not have raised lack of empathy as an issue. I've not listened to C2C for years on several counts – a non-critical, non-analytical approach to interviewing being one.
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Re my comment – strike "Corsi", replace with "Casti" !! Not sure how I managed to not catch myself in the error – I *did* have Casti in mind!
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Vienna Austria…
Yes, Home of the IAEA (international atomic energy assets).
There is no doubt in my mind that this man is on the IAEA team Bananas…
Makes you want to scream murderer over and over and over again…
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Yup. This guy is disconnected from humanity. We are all just variables in his mathematical equation. And he doesn't even get the math right.
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Austria, I'm beginning to realize, has a curious history of sending ideas into the world of a "certain type"!
We've got the Austrian school of Economics to thank for much current economic woes if I understand correctly. It also turns out that the "socialize compliance" aspect of American education was first explored in Austria back before public ed was developed in America. Just tried to find tidbit on the Austrian connection to name the Austrian but couldn't quickly find it. John Taylor Gatto is the retired educator/researcher who's been talking/writing about this for some years. I am a retired teacher and have some *firm* disagreements with Gatto's full assessment. I've known and taught in schools dedicated to individual "whole child" development, often employing programs Gatto says are missing. But I do agree with the gist of his criticism – that real education doesn't happen in school environments that don't foster development of individual curiosity and independent questioning minds.
It seems "Austria" is popping up as source of more than one "human management theory"! (To be fair! I knew an Austrian couple for years and found them delightful – they were "tradespeople", not "think tank members"!)
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Is the underlying assumption here that this is a much-needed 'wake-up call' & now that it has happened, the world will 'wake up' & change its ways? (I didn't want to take the time to listen to this whole radio show).
Anyway, the record of history is there for us to see – the elites know what they want, & they just keep on pursuing their selfish & reckless/insane agendas, & the consequences for humanity & the planet be damned – that's the way it always has been & I don't see anything changing now, as a result of the Fukushima nightmare.
In defiance of the wishes of 70% or more of its people, Japan is restarting its nuclear reactors, ignoring/denying the on-going poisoning of its people, refusing to test or treat them, etc. – same old, same old.
And it's not just Japan – it is all the nations of the world… is there a single government that is reacting/responding appropriately/responsibly?
I think back to some of the videos I have seen, about, for instance, the determined & well-organized opposition to the opening (or was it the re-opening) of the San Onofre reactors (if I am remembering correctly) – & that got no good results – the response from industry & government was the same as always – we don't care what the people want, we're going to do what we're going to do, & govt. is the industry lapdog as usual – end of story.
Or end of that chapter – disaster chapters will inevitably follow, along with the denial & cover-up chapters, etc.
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My point here is that the people don't decide, the people have no power; industry and the money-men are running the show and doing all the deciding, even if it is 180 degrees opposite from what the people want (and from what common sense and prudence dictate) … and government is the hand-maiden and whore of industry, for sale to the highest bidder.
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so he is saying humans need a strong reason to detach imo…
but i think reason and common sense could lead us down a less harsh path.. we need an informed citizenry to decide how to create a sustainable world..
like his point about the technology being to complicated to handle
"..Life flows like a river. It is impermanent, all things are impermanent – it’s the nature of the world. Therefore life is changing continuously. So when we resist this change by clinging to something that is changing, we become attached. We can’t be happy because we resist the change, what is futile. Of course we can direct change up to a certain degree, but we can’t prevent it. The key is to get into the river of life and direct the course of positive change. Then the fear of change also vanishes…"
http://www.myrkothum.com/the-dalai-lama-guide-to-happiness/
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"we need an informed citizenry to decide how to create a sustainable world.."
Yup
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I've found some interesting talks on "complexity" on YouTube. Here's one link I'd bookmarked, but haven't listened to it for awhile: http://youtu.be/LQaw2fix3q0; "The Modern Economy: Civilization, Complexity, and Collapse"; 1hr16min, talk by Physicist and Human Systems Ecologist David Korowicz. There's probably something on complexity on TedTalks too. While we're trying to imagine workable solutions to current world affairs, especially re energy, I find it useful (for me) to be reminded of the nature of extreme complexity in human designed social/economic systems.
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Location: Pacific Beach WA. Central Avenue – West coast (destination of stay 3 city blocks from Pacific Beach WA).
Items for radionuclide sampling:
First item is: Rain water from rainout on final day of stay (sat June 16th)
http://imgur.com/a/U90bQ#2
(Purpose is to find out if rain is higher near coast than here in Tacoma, Washington)…
Second item: (Qty 5) Mutations in plant life: (three two headed plants, and one three headed plant):
http://imgur.com/a/NjTL4#0
Third Item: (Qty: 3) Water bottles from japan (Qty 1) Glass bottle (Qty 1 water bottle)…
Total 5 bottles in quantity…
http://imgur.com/a/NPfbk#0
Fourth item: (Qty 3 Crab legs / for radionuclide testing )
http://imgur.com/KTBzz
Fifth Item: (Qty 1 Sand dollar / for radionuclide testing )
http://imgur.com/cj2cf
Sixth item (Qty 1 oyster shell / for radionuclide testing )
http://imgur.com/6x1OQ
Seventh Item: Qty 1 Tobacco sack / for radionuclide testing )
http://imgur.com/a/xrIXz
Eighth Item (both sand from the west pacific ocean and Sea Water) With the addition of rainout water (as noted above)
http://imgur.com/KVpMu
Distance of cabin to beach: (3 city blocks
http://imgur.com/a/TXPca#0
These are some other things I came across which seemed like they could be potentially from japan:
http://imgur.com/a/HVcBf#0
There was also hundreds if not thousands of dead crabs all over the coast as well as several seagulls. (this all within a one mile stretch of every sample taken)…
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So now we will see if the tsunami debris is "Non contaminated"…
Yours truly…
Emmy.
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Oh also I traced the water bottle to this pic / japanese brand…
http://japanesesnackreviews.blogspot.com/2011/03/random-picture-55.html
(its the top left product in pic above)…
And I found another person in oregon thats found the same type of debris:
http://photo.accuweather.com/photogallery/details/photo/142610/Japanese+Tsunami+Debris++Water+Bottle+Cap
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Thank you this must cost a lot of green?
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The dead crabs and seagulls observation is of note. I wonder how many 'die offs' happen that are never seen or reported.
Thank you for your effort.
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EQ, jet stream, debris tracking, mitigation protocols and other rad links
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/forum/index.php/board,24.0.html
Fukushima fallout forecasts
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/nnn.html
Concern & Complaint departments here
http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml
And here
http://www.usembassy.gov/
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The best think to happen , come on get lost !
japan GDP wow! sure everyone has a job ,so what
when you'r dead in 5 years? this is not a good thing!
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Mood Matters… from the smile and it wont hurt you camp…or it's all good even when we kill babies, even when our genome is altered, even when millions of lives are slowly lost, it's all good.
"Mood Matters" makes the radical assertion that all social events ranging from fashions in music and art to the rise and fall of civilizations are biased by the attitudes a society holds toward the future. When the "social mood" is positive and people look forward to the future, events of an entirely different character tend to occur than when society is pessimistic…
John L. Casti is a Senior Research Scholar at the International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis in Laxenburg, Austria, where he works on the development of early-warning methods for extreme events in human society. He is also the co-founder of The Kenos Circle, a Vienna-based society for exploration of the future, and author of the previous bestselling volumes, Paradigms Lost, Would-Be Worlds and The Cambridge Quintet. He lives in Vienna.
http://www.moodmatters.net/
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Socionomics – Advancing the study of social mood and social action
Post Tagged with: "John Casti"
http://www.socionomics.net/tag/john-casti/
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What this all boils down to is he is just trying to sell another book and rake it in from someone elses tragedy
Book Review: X-Events: The Collapse of Everything by John Casti
Anyone who follows popular culture or media is aware that the Apocalypse is coming this year. After all, didn't the Mayans predict it? Thus, you shouldn't be surprised by the publication of books talking about potential doomsday events. But set aside the pseudoscience, pseudohistory, and metaphysical psychobabble when it comes to John Casti's X-Events: The Collapse of Everything.
http://blogcritics.org/books/article/book-review-x-events-the-collapse/
Personally, I think he is just another parasitic slimeball making money off of another mans grief.
Never let a good disaster go to waste, capitalize upon it!
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"Mood Matters" when there is no hope !don't drink the cool-aid!
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From 2009 Video of one of his lectures…
John L. Casti and Markku Wilenius: Life After Wall Street
26:45 – 3 years ago
Life After Wall Street – Indicates the finance crisis the end of globalizations? Recent turmoil in the global financial markets has often been described in the media as a tectonic shift in the global financial system. Prof. John L. Casti, a former researcher at RAND Corporation and member of the external faculty of the Santa Fe Institute suggests that an asteroid impact or a super volcano would be a better metaphor. The financial crisis that began in October 2007 is far from over, and represents just one manifestation of the increasingly negative social mood gripping the entire world, a mood change that will last many years, if not a decade or more. Casti is convinced that we look here at some of the types of events likely to be seen in the economy, finance, politics and general social trends during this bleak period, including the end of the phenomenon of “globalization” as it’s been since the mid 1970s, the unraveling of the European Union, and the end of financial institutions such as the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. Casti will discuss his forecast with Professor Markku Wilenius, Vice President Allianz SE, member of the Club or Rome and Vice President of the Advisory Board of the European Futurists Conference Lucerne
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2180509830273789829
An opportunist at it's very best(worst)…
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Ordo ab chao (order out of chaos).
Many analysts see this financial crisis as something deliberately brought about by the big money men, in order to provide the necessary 'crisis' to justify the 'solution' of creating a world bank (using intrinsically worthless fiat 'money' of course) and a world government (the ultimate centralization of power into a few hands)- which is what the international corporate/banking elites have long been wanting and attempting to achieve – not a warm and fuzzy world order, but a harsh and totalitarian one …. not of, by, and for the people, but of, by, and for the ruling elites.
These are a ruthless bunch of m-f**ckers and they have utter contempt for us 'human cattle' who couldn't think our collective way out of a wet paper bag on one of our better days.
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"These are a ruthless bunch of m-f**ckers and they have utter contempt for us 'human cattle' who couldn't think our collective way out of a wet paper bag on one of our better days."
Those international corporate/banking elites go thru an awful lot of trouble to keep the cows from knowing the truth. Could it be they're really afraid of the cows? And what will happen when the cows start waking up to the reality that their survival is being threatened? Those international corporate/banking elites are really just a bunch of weenies hiding behind a false image created by the corporate media, and in reality don't stand a chance against 6 billion pissed off cows.
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All through modern history, it has been basically the same scenario – a small group of powerful men have controlled the masses, by a combination of force & deception. But with the growth of the mass media, & the centralization of power into fewer hands, deception has played an increasingly larger role.
As things are now, the people participate in their own deception; they use the defense mechanism of denial in order to avoid looking this reality in the face.
Those of us who are more aware (like many of the people here on enenews) – one of our main subjects of frustration – & conversation with each other – is the unaware masses all around us – those who 'don't know & don't wanna know.'
The elites are not looking or acting afraid, as far as I can see. They are inexorably continuing on with their thrust for global empire. Basically, the people can complain all they want; but they are powerless to stop the elites, & the elites know it.
The elites control the world's centers of power & they also have state of the art weapons ready to deploy against us – many of which we are clueless about (we don't even know they exist – 'shock & awe' – right?). We're kind of like the Indians with bows & arrows against the Cavalry with their repeater rifles & cannons – & endless funding.
I've been dealing with this frustrating reality for several decades now. I read, study, try to tell people what I've been reading & learning – & mostly I am dissed & ignored.
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Names and faces?
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CB, if you're asking me who R these people, they're many of the people in positions of power & influence in business & govt., especially the Rothschild banking 'octopus', those in the 'Bilderberg',CFR & Tri-lateral groups, many DC insiders & top figures in the EU, top Wall Street insiders like those running Goldman-Sachs.
A good new book is DISHONEST MONEY by Joseph Plummer. A virtual encyclopedia on the whole money issue is THE CREATURE FROM JEKYLL ISLAND by G. Edw. Griffin. Murray Rothbard has written many good books on economics – he's one of the best.
Online, check out the Ludwig von Mises Institute – they have daily articles & a bookstore – lots of good info on economics (which is really the heart of the matter). THE ROAD TO SERFDOM is a good book, by Frederik von Hayek.
A good book for giving a glimpse of how corrupt the elites are, many of them, is THE FRANKLIN COVER-UP by John deCamp (fascinating).
An understanding of economics is important.
The mainstream media are controlled.
Antony Sutton wrote several xlnt books -Wall Street & FDR, Wall Street & the Boleshivik Revolution, Wall Street & the Rise of Hitler.
'The Real Lincoln' is a v.g. book on Lincoln, available from Mises Institute.
Several of these are available from your public library. Also most libraries participate in inter-library loan & will borrow a book for you from another library.
A fascinating one is WAS JONESTOWN A CIA MEDICAL EXPERIMENT.
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Here's a good place to start:
http://theyrule.net
I've been saying since the beginning of the Occupy movement … tell us who the one percenters are. Give us their names and addresses. Tell us about their children, parents, uncles and aunts. Let's make a database. It's useful. We can narrow our focus down to those who "don't give a damn" about anyone but themselves. That way all the rest of them will start caring about others a little more. And about the Earth.
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Why the need for deception, if they're all powerful? Could it be they're relying on us to design, manufacture, and deploy those weapons? And would we still do it, if we knew the truth? These "elite" may be good at deception, but I doubt they could accomplish much without the people they deceive.
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getout etc. – just check out some of the books I suggested. Info on these books, authors, & subjects is available on U Tube also; & you can Google them.
Govt.s typically (historically) get taken over by greedy & amoral men who want to use their great powers & infrastructure to rob from the public purse – to exploit govt.s' powers to tax & wage war/use force – want to use the law & these powers to benefit themselves personally.
Actually this is hardly 'new news.' I did not say these cliques are 'all powerful' but they are VERY powerful – have made it their business/goal to increase & consolidate their powers for the last century & more.
Yes, we have provided a lot of labor for them. But the trend is to use robotics in addition to mechanized factory production & they anticipate needing fewer workers. They also want to pay us as little as possible for our labor. This is one reason (need for fewer laborers) they want to drastically reduce the world population (in their own words – again Google it & check out on U Tube).
It is almost axiomatic that govt. is a power hub & thus it attracts ambitious & amoral men who want to become powerful & wealthy.
Govt. has extensive infrastructure & 2 special powers, the power to TAX (confiscate our earnings) & to WAGE WAR/USE FORCE LEGALLY. Throughout history, greedy & ambitious men have sought to gain positions of power in govt in order to use these powers to benefit/enrich themselves personally.
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Bleep, forgive me. I didn't ask for books.
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CB if you are not willing to do some studying & reading, (books, U Tube, online articles, etc.), you are never going to understand what is going on in the world today.
And mainstream info venues are controlled. Duh.
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Amadeus
0:36 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoY0Qa0zU0A
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I'm not disagreeing with your facts. I'm mainly pointing out that these ruling types ultimately get their heads handed to them when they push things too far. Sometimes literally. Just ask the French. This current batch of ruling types seems well aware of this, and they're hiding behind the politicians they put in office. Maybe that's the way it's always been. I dunno, I haven't lived that long.
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This is a disaster..We are talking about people lives, their health, the environment.
This Is One Of The Worst Things To Ever Happen To Japan, And The World.
~END NUCLEAR POWER~
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Personally…..I think the best thing for Japan is to see this piece of trash run over by a train
Film at 11
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I just talked w/ someone who has been taking radiation measurements around the SF Bay Area coast and his geiger counter has not registered a prob, even the kelp on the islands off the coast, but he went up to Oregon and, after measuring the Japanese dock, he warned people not to go near it unless wearing lead-lined hazmat suits.
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With all due respects demo, these statements mean nothing without verifiable data or links to data and only serve the purpose of discrediting others valuable efforts at informing the masses of any real danger from the tsunami debris.
We need hard evidence of radioactive contamination of these tsunami debris, if any evidence is there.
Heresay will not cut it, IMHO.
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thanks jebus, i was contemplating similar words and whether to mention 'links'.
i've said it before on threads, data that is subjective is not data. there is no 'negative' or 'concern' levels – there are only numbers.
@demo, i appreciate your posts and wasn't wanting to object to this post, but what jebus has sais was just what i was thinking.
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This was also brilliant! Shut them all down…here is an example of how it was done in my hometown. What has changed to stop us from doing the same to all the others in this country? This plant was a probem from day one. On it's opeing debut it shut down 11 times. Remember the name RANCHO SECO, it can be done!!!
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/08/us/voters-in-a-first-shut-down-nuclear-reactor.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
New York Times Voters, in a First, Shut Down Nuclear Reactor
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umm.. good, but it was 1989
good article, thanks. of course, it still flows on to current day politics .. just shows how long this waste cycle can go on for.
"The future of Rancho Seco itself is uncertain. The plant cannot be dismantled until a place is found for its spent fuel. The Department of Energy is studying a site in Nevada, at Yucca Mountain, which would be a repository for the highly radioactive wastes of all the nation's nuclear plants. But even the most optimistic projections are that no repository can be ready before the early years of the next century"
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Yucca Mountain is officially closed by president Obummer!!!
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I feel old now. It was a long time ago but the same economics are there. If you look at Rancho Seco the problem with that plant was the new media getting ahold of all the bad information about the dangers of that plant. Over the years the gov has refined the information released to the public and this is why there is less blowback from the citizens.
So, if we start shutting them down now, they still won't really be safe for maybe 100 years or more so there is no time like now to get started. Or…we are going to keep running these plants until we are all dead.
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The same year as the Chernobyl disaster. No time like now!
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I think the biggest problem here is anyone taking anything one Coast to Coast AM seriously …
It's decent ENTERTAINMENT but like Fox, it's not legitimate News ….
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+100. My thoughts exactly… They have some respected guests at times, but some of their yeti and alien topics are cuckoo for cocoa puffs.
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Wow!… Are you kidding me? These guy's are total eff-tards!!! Only a complete moron would suggest that this event is somehow good for Japan since it promotes social and political change.
PEOPLE!!! THIS COULD BE AN EXTINCTION LEVEL EVENT! If the 1600 MOX fuel rods in the #4 reactor building collapse and catch fire it will poison the whole northern hemisphere… FOOLS!
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