Expert: “Incipient collapse” of radioactive waste tanks possible at U.S. nuclear site (AUDIO)

Published: May 23rd, 2013 at 3:00 pm ET
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Title: Great Haste Made Great Waste at Hanford
Source: Fairewinds Energy Education
Date: May 22, 2013

Nuclear policy expert Robert Alvarez: Not much attention is paid to the fact that these tanks [at Hanford] that are holding these wastes, they’re decades old.

Most of them were constructed from the 40s-60s, over a third of them have leaked, and their structural integrity really leaves much to be desired.

By the time we get around to removing the contents of these wastes and ultimately stabilizing them, these tanks could go in to a state of incipient collapse.

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Published: May 23rd, 2013 at 3:00 pm ET
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51 comments to Expert: “Incipient collapse” of radioactive waste tanks possible at U.S. nuclear site (AUDIO)

  • Jay

    So it was a Premeditated Irresponsability !

    Can we consider their 'plan' for future Solid-Gold$$ Clean-ups as a 'silver line' ?! No , I am losing my sense of humor .

  • Lion76 Lion76

    in·cip·i·ent
    /inˈsipēənt/
    Adjective
    In an initial stage; beginning to happen or develop: "incipient anger".

    this was a new term for me, just thought I'd share the info.

  • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

    they're basically warning, anyone of these older tanks is prone to collapse during the emptying process. I'd call that mighty convenient…

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      For AFTERSHOCK and all my other friends here, the "Exodus" song:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDxX6JmJe0c

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        I could do w/o all the pics of Howard on the video, but the recording seems to be of reasonably good quality. Re: a possible exodus from our beautiful blue planet,

        "If there's anybody out there, hope they haven't made the the same mistakes, turning gold into garbage, and a banquet into dust cakes …."

      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

        thank you HoTaters! That was good. Kinda what I'm hinting to; get ready! It was inevitable. As nature demonstrates all about us, had we stayed in our comfy nests, we'd eventually have become dinner for someone else. Once we (nature) decided it was more prudent to disperse the 'eggs', there was no going back. From the moment 'we' discovered the power of fire, there was no going back. As goes the clanging of the chains that trail behind the guilty, our species can no longer deny the crimes committed against this precious world. And with each reassuring step forward, the horrors that await us (unfortunately…they do) will temper what remains of our species' vestigial hubris. Like those who've gone before us, we'll surely gain a greater appreciation for what was – once – taken for granted…

        • Jebus Jebus

          .
          .
          You will know that society has ceased to exist, when there's no more toilet paper…

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          AFTERSHOCK, I have thought about that song every time I've read of your ideas about finding a "new home" in the stars. Best listened to on a good stereo so you can enjoy what a great song it is (IMHO).

          Jebus, too funny, "You will know that society has ceased to exist, when there's no more toilet paper."

          What does that say about England and Heathrow Airport? They must have the WORST toilet paper in the world. So much for "civilization."

          • Au Au

            "England and Heathrow Airport? They must have the WORST toilet paper in the world."

            LOL! Yes, too right. In other countries that type of paper is called waxed paper.

  • moonshellblue moonshellblue

    And they are building two AP1000 Nuclear Plants in Georgia, talk about irresponsible. This is just insane.

  • Anthony Anthony

    I guess the next word (if they report it) will be Imminent.

  • Anthony Anthony

    As they say, Hindsight sure is a bitch. Looking back even a little bit, it is obvious that Nuke Plants SHOULD NEVER be built nor contaminants be stored or processed anywhere than the BOTTOM of any kind of natural downstream – land air or water. People cannot live without pollution if they are connected downstream in anyway under a Nuke Operation. I would wager every North American major downstream is populated and situated counter to what I am suggesting here.

  • Azgirl7 Azgirl7

    Dutchsinse reported a couple years ago a (probably HAARP induced) earthquake right next to Hannford.

    • Lion76 Lion76

      he reported what? wild conjecture based on nothing but fantasy speculation leading to a house-of-cards conclusion? If it were possible for 1 person to figure out the mystery so easily simply by sitting in front of a computer, it wouldn't be much of a mystery.


      The statement "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" was made popular by Carl Sagan.[7] Sagan referred to arguments from ignorance as follows:
      "Appeal to ignorance": the claim that whatever has not been proved false must be true, and vice versa. (e.g., There is no compelling evidence that UFOs are not visiting the Earth; therefore, UFOs exist, and there is intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe….) This impatience with ambiguity can be criticized in the phrase: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.[12]
      Sagan's widow Ann Druyan stated that Sagan's general position was that "science is saying in the absence of evidence, we must withhold judgment".[13] In this, she also echoed the words of Bertrand Russell, who in 1959 said: "If you can't find out whether [a thing] is true or whether it isn't, you should suspend judgement."[14] Astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson expanded on UFOs, stating: "Remember what the U stands for (…): Unidentified. (…) If you don't know what it is, then that's where your conversation should stop, [rather] than say: "It must be…" anything. That's what argument from ignorance is."

      not an attack on the poster above, but on the…

  • weeman

    Nothing last forever not even the sun and stars but they have a life span of billions of years a concrete tank filled with radioactive substances, eating its way through the containment, limited time, already expired.
    They do not have a clue how, what or were, but logic dictates in their corrupt minds lets continue to store more.
    Pea brained.

  • Sol Man

    It is not a sign of intelligence to produce and store the world's most toxic substances that must guarantee the presence of a death wish.
    But, look at their money!

  • KingofthePaupers

    Jct: If my Argentine Solution doesn't win Alex Jones' Paul Revere InfoWars.Com Contest http://youtu.be/IfJSauKiJPQ video to save the planet by funding the decommissioning and burying of nuclear, we're facing incipient destruction.
    Of course, if my Argentine Solution to funding the nuclear clean-up wins, we might get it cleaned up in time. But destruction is incipient and if we don't move fast, guaranteed. Quite an honor to think that whether the whole planet lives or dies depends on one banking systems Engineer. Much like it always was on Star Trek with big systems. Luckily, the Great Canadian Gambler is the closest thing to Science Officer Spock we have on the planet. Still, if I don't get money fixed real soon, the "incipient collapse" is going to get you and you'll deserve it. But I won't.

  • We Not They Finally

    No one knows whether they can safely pull nuclear materials out of Fukushima either. Just because they broke it, they're liars, thieves, criminals, they should fix it or surrender their lives at the door… All that and more. But they still may not be able to FIX it. They have recklessly, dangerously deteriorated tanks at Hanford. They owe the public the truth, and an accounting of best and worst case scenarios. But God knows if CAN fix it.

  • Jebus Jebus

    They have known about this for decades. There is no excuse.
    The Columbia River was contaminated from the start.
    Where do you think all the water went, millions of gallons, that the toxic sludge came from in the '40's thru the '70's?
    Do you think that in 1945, they had high tech filters and seperators?
    Nothing at Hanford is spinning differently.

    IMHO, the sudden "revelations", are nothing more than a cattle chute in a designated direction.

    Constantly chasing rabbits.

    Thats how serious Fukushima is…

    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      So the tanks at Hanford were constructed during the 40s-60s. Initially Hanford's engineers may not have known exactly what kind of problems were being created by all this radioactive waste, but later they DID KNOW and continued to plug for lucrative jobs and living conditions.

      Hanford is the perfect example to prove the point that there is absolutely no safe place on earth to store nuclear waste. Since they didn't deal with it 40-50 years after construction, they are afraid to deal with it now, and it is actually dangerous to do so. I can't think of any safe way to do it.

      Even after certain Hanford engineers knew that the site was causing cancers, defects and other contamination to the whole area they continued,lobbying efforts to build yet another reactor. Five was not enough. So, yes. They were totally irresponsible and nobody stood up.

      Many thanks for Robert Alvarez for all his work about spent fuel pools.

      • Sickputer

        It was dangerous loading those tanks originally. Who knows how many workers died early from radiation diseases. But now… Transferring those mucky nasty cauldrons of hell…insanely dangerous. Definitely Liquidator workers will have to be employed.

        • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

          @Sickputer

          I believe the management at Hanford hired contractors to do the work. It was up to the contractor to be sure the workers were not overexposed. At least that is what was said in "Plutopia…." The contractors really did not know how much exposure their employees had received else they may have been liable.

  • Jebus Jebus

    When you think about Fukushima today, you think about what a hellish time they are having, seemingly clownish actions, cause they know it's hotter than ants on a frying pan there. No way out.
    Just ask the creatures jumpin out of the sea…

    Now think about those early nuclear years. At Hanford. They really just didn't know what they were creating in the "breeding" process. They knew less what to do than Tepco. If thats possible. In the river it went, except, the worst of the worst. That went into mild steel tanks. Next to the river.
    Did you know that many radionuclides are the strongest alkalai's, known, err, created by man?
    Anybody see a problem here?
    Thats what they are dealing with today…

    • Anthony Anthony

      I think a bigger problem would be if they then started abandoning them. Too much of a reach? Companies cut out their financial hemorrhages as part of daily business protocol.

  • Jebus Jebus

    It really defies logic.
    All those "brilliant" minds.
    Those genius minds that found the DNA to the Sun and "cloned" it, in their aptly named, "breeder" reactors.
    They made the ultimate weapons, and gave us "atoms for peace".
    They created precious plutonium.
    They gave us TMI, Chernobyl, and Fukushima.
    They probably had credentials.
    Who da thought, that the brilliant genius minds, would end up being the ones who mess it up for everyone…

    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @Jebus

      They will build plutonium plants just as long as the government wants to build nuclear weapons. Hanford was about the first atomic bombs dropped on Japan. As usual, nobody thought to ask why we would want to kill that many people in such a horrible way, or what the consequences might be.

      We are a technological society, multiplying technology exponentially, and it will cause our demise. We are too clever to understand where we are headed. Amazingly, there was no proper control at Hanford. Like Topsy, it just grew. There is no proper control there now either.

      • Jebus Jebus

        That why we turn to our fellow humans and show the truth, no matter the outcome.
        The only solution is exponential.

        • Jebus Jebus

          From the messages of Helen Caldicott to Kevin Blanch and all in between, they all say it.
          It will take many voices into one, to cause a change…

    • We Not They Finally

      Its the brilliant minds that seem to cause all the damage.A brilliant mind without a soul is useless.These days its hard to find soul anywhere.We can find ruthless ambition greed lust and ambition for power everywhere but wheres the Politicians who care for their people?Wheres the public servants? Wheres the dedicated servants of the people?Now the politicians just want to sabotage government and waste any possibility of getting legislating done.

  • redwing redwing

    This really says all you need to know about U.S. nuclear policy.

    Hanford was constructed back in a time when nuclear commanded unlimited resources and unanimous public support. If under these ideal circumstances we are unable to act in a responsible manner towards future generations, tell me, just when is it that you think we will act responsibly?

    • Au Au

      Yep, very good and without one cuss word. Not that it matters.
      On grassroot activism at 9 min 10 sec
      "We don't do this for free. We do it for our grandkids. We do this for our kids."

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Yeah, YOU GO KEVIN! Au, you missed the s _ _ _ word, but it hardly matters. It was poetic in context.

  • We Not They Finally

    Chemtrails have much aluminum in them. Monsanto has aluminum resistant seeds. Obama just signed the Monsanto protection bill into law. England France and Germany threw MOnsanto out.Something wicked this way comes…

    • Anthony Anthony

      Sure has.

    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @We Not They Finally:

      I understand that aluminum contributes to…uh, for a moment there I could not think of the word :>) alzheimers….and now I can't think of the correct spelling….

      Primitive man may have had serious problems that I don't have, but neither did he have to set a color printer the proper way for a picture to print or understand an insurance policy.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Maybe an incipient dawning in the minds of the scientists and military why the protester was protesting so many years ago, and up until now. Also, an incipient dawning of realization of what idiots they are.

  • Trawling4Trolls

    Casey Rudd, where is he these days?

  • Sol Man

    Maybe brilliant minds will realize that their death wish stunts the entire world's future. What's the purpose in it?

    Did you ever love your children?