Expert: Material is flowing out from bottom of giant sinkhole — Volume of hole doubled since October — Now 25-acre settlement area

Published: April 28th, 2013 at 6:45 pm ET
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Title: Assumption sinkhole’s containment wall gets extended
Source: The Advocate
Author: DAVID J. MITCHELL
Date: April 28, 2013

[…] In a presentation April 5 at LSU, Gary Hecox, a CB&I hydrogeologist, described how other rock movements also have been increasing the sinkhole’s size and creating subsidence in the surrounding area.

The sinkhole has a 25-acre settlement area around it, he said then.

Hecox said that sands from the Mississippi River Alluvial Aquifer, which runs in a band about 120 feet to as much as 600 feet deep, are flowing down into the zone of broken rock under the sinkhole.

Also, the sinkhole’s volume has more than doubled since it was calculated in October, rising from 550,000 cubic yards to 1.2 million cubic yards, Hecox said then.

“The material is flowing out of the bottom (of the sinkhole) down the disturbed rock zone,” Hecox said. […]

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Published: April 28th, 2013 at 6:45 pm ET
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38 comments to Expert: Material is flowing out from bottom of giant sinkhole — Volume of hole doubled since October — Now 25-acre settlement area

  • Lion76 Lion76

    "the disturbed rock zone,” Hecox said.

    quoted for emphasis.

  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    Flowing sands? More like a flowing aquafer that brings sand and other material with it, that will continue to erode the saltdome around the caverns until they all collapse. A process that will take years and years. All because they made a cavern too close to the weak edge of the dome. The only way to stop it is to cutoff the aquafer water supply to the saltdome. Good luck with that! The pipeline infrastructure in that area is the biggest boom threat. Constant mini quakes are loosening the substructure making the subsurface erosion a much faster than normal process. I am suspicious of the contents, as we all have been in some of those caverns. Bet there is illegal toxins and nuclear waste deposited there that the powers do not want to become public knowledge. Some of the worker activities of late have sped up the collapse zones, seemingly intentional as to keep whats buried a secret. There is so much the dome operators are keeping secret, it is along the same deceptive lines as the fukushima fiasco. Lies on top of lies. Just as TEPCO should be, Texas Brine needs to be kicked from the site and let the Corps of Engineers take over before more towns are destroyed by this horrific tragedy. Oh I almost forgot, sequestration and the fact that our country is bankrupt means that nature will be allowed to mend herself at the expense of how many towns and communities? The pollution coming up from the stinkerhole will be spewing into the aquafers and bayous for many many years to come.

    • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

      "Texas Brine needs to be kicked from the site and let the Corps of Engineers take over before more towns are destroyed by this horrific tragedy."

      During Katrina, all of the levees that failed in New Orleans were built under the supervision of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. I'll take my chances with who we have now… 😉

      • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

        I would expect nothing less from you Miss Rain, especially seeing how you are on their payroll and all.

        • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

          "I would expect nothing less from you Miss Rain, especially seeing how you are on their payroll and all."

          Trespassing, running from the law, and now taking bribes. This IS like the wild wild west.

          yeeehaaaaaaw!!

          • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

            Enough already! Is it not a fact that you have been made to leave private property owned or leased by Texas Brine several times? Have you not trespassed on your neighbors properties and been told to leave many times? Have you not in fact recorded yourself trespassing on private property in several of your videos? I never said you were taking bribes. I said that you were on their payroll, how is it that you are getting the same payments every week as the actual people that live there before the sinkhole started? Unlike you that showed up to claim payments without actually living there prior to this event unfolding, regardless if you have a peice of land there that is empty and not built on in any manor to live on. You love to twist reality and the truth into your convenient little mythical fantasies, time and time again. I never said you were running from the law, I said that the law was looking into your trespassing offences. You and your poor little me stories and videos make me sick. You have half the ene community feeling sorry for you when in fact your taking money that you don't deserve, that could be going towards the homeowner buyouts and the people that deserve those payments. Be very interesting to take a poll from the actual Bayou Corne residents, including your own family members, to see how many people would verify your living there prior to the sinkhole episode beginning. No shame in your game. You and I will no longer communicate here, no matter your reply.

            • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

              TM2020,

              The answer to all of your questions is no, and they are too ludicrous to waste any more time on them. Sounds like "someone" has been filling your head with lies. Pretty obvious who after people have read a few of her posts here. After all, you ARE many states away, right? How else would you come to "know" all this you think you know?

              Read my lips. I came home in March 2012. That can easily be verified by cable, water and electric bills in my name, at the minimum. The sinkhole happened August of 2012.

              What don't you get about that? Your ability to so easily flip on someone from hearsay shows your character. Your mama must be proud.

              Thanks for not wasting any more of my time by not responding.

              • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

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                • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

                  I have been gone all day and can't believe I came back to yet another personal attack, even after enenews posted their warning.

                  I will have no sympathy for those that will now face the consequences of their actions in spreading these vicious lies.

                  defamation (of character) n. the act of making untrue statements about another which damages his/her reputation. If the defamatory statement is printed or broadcast over the media it is libel and, if only oral, it is slander.

                  Any intentional false communication, either written or spoken, that harms a person's reputation; decreases the respect, regard, or confidence in which a person is held; or induces disparaging, hostile, or disagreeable opinions or feelings against a person.

                  slander n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed.
                  …………..

    • pcjensen

      yep, the corporations with records of lying, cheating, bending the rules, yada yada, do need to be removed as lead managers… Army Corps prolly could do the work with more transparency, but, also could use some public oversight of their work as well.

  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    I just stumbled onto something that may or not be related. I googled a map of the mississippi river and oddly enough, this map below shows the river where it begins in Minnesota and runs all the way down into the gulf of mexico and ends at approximately in the neighborhood of the macando BP explosion. Does anyone know if the river goes under the ocean after it reaches the end of land mass in Louisianna? The river does go below sea level in the Baton Rouge area. I also remember a documentary about Lake Perigneur, when the salt dome there collapsed, and how it made the mississippi run backwards for a while. Like I said, do not know if their is a connection, will leave that up to the smarter people here. Could there possibly be an underground waterway connection to the Mississippi river, explaning the stinkhole water current video, recently posted where it showed the back and forth tidal effect movement? Aren't the bayous actually tributaries of the Mississippi?

    http://www.johnweeks.com/river_mississippi/index.html

    • pcjensen

      sounds like a BINGO question … geological, marine, terrestrial aquifer surveys anyone?

    • PavewayIII PavewayIII

      No, the Mississippi does not go 'under' the ocean. It spreads out forward and horizontally wherever it empties into the Gulf because fresh water is lighter than salt water.

      The Mississippi has to be higher upstream compared to the Gulf or it would not flow *into* the Gulf. In certain circumstances like Isaac's prolonged storm surge last year, the Mississippi did technically flow backwards for about a day, but upstream fresh water never stopped moving downstream.

      I'm not sure what you're referring to about being below sea level in Baton Rouge. The Mississippi River bed is below sea level there, but the surface never is. Even the storm surge anomaly mentioned above will not occur that far upstream.

      The Delcambre Channel flowed backwards into Lake Peigneur during the salt mine disaster. The Mississippi is too far away to have been involved.

      Bayous are part of the distributary (not tributary) characteristics of the overall Mississippi delta. Individual streams within the bayous could be tributaries or distributaries of other larger local stream systems.

      Bayou environments are defined by broad sheet flow areas, not just the streams. Bayou Corne area water levels are usually influenced more by precipitation and river levels than tides.

      Rainbeaudais: Do the high/low levels vary by much more than a few feet during the year?

      • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

        Thank you Paveway for your insight and knowledge on the matter.

      • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

        "Rainbeaudais: Do the high/low levels vary by much more than a few feet during the year?"

        We get high water early in the year from the snow up north melting and coming down the Mississippi. Of course the harder winter they have, the more flooding we get. Then we have the rainy season, where we have high water again.

        The bayou DOES flucutuate with the tides though, absolutely.

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        "Broad sheet flow areas"..
        Sand at various depths…
        Hummm…

  • 16Penny 16Penny

    From the article:

    "Before the latest developments, Texas Brine officials had said the berm, which is being designed to last at least 20 years, is due for completion by July 1."

    How frequently are there Hurricanes above a category 2?

    Didn't they say the area would be settling for (was it really 1,000?) many years to come?

    Their 20 year design lasted 2 months before the bearing capacity of the soil failed? How long is their next 20 year design going to last even without the help of a hurricane.

    The officials should be shamed and it is obvious the Blue Ribbon Commission has interests other than the environment at heart. $$$

  • dosdos dosdos

    The Corps of Engineers would not touch the sinkhole because of jurisdiction issues. It should be obvious by now that the feds don't want to get involved.

  • dana dana

    The helicorders have been quite busy during the night.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    They didn't get their money to work on Lake Verret..what do the care?

    PS." U.S. law has given the Army Corps of Engineers, "a bureaucratic behemoth," legal immunity for its flawed work in New Orleans, a federal judge said."

    Judge blasts Army Corps of Engineers in Katrina suit
    April 16 2013

    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/04/16/Judge-blasts-Army-Corps-of-Engineers-in-Katrina-suit/UPI-65131366145568/#ixzz2Rr01PD6t

    The Corps of Engineers..is completely unaccountable to the people.
    Disgusting…

  • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

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    • ENENews

      Hi everyone. Personal attacks will be stopping now. No more mentioning people's names. Keep it civil or don't comment. Bans will be immediate from here on out. Thanks.

      • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

        I appreciate what you are saying enenews, but that'sthe first time I posted a real name and it only came after THAT person has posted my name numerous times, as well as very slanderous information about me that is now being repeated by other users on here such as timemachine2020.

        Why is it that you have not taken action of those reported posts?

        You may bann me if you wish, but if you will read your report complaints you will see where this problem started.

        • ENENews

          That message was for everybody Rain. I can't keep up with all the comments and battles, so the bans will start from here on out. I have zero time for this kind of stuff. Keeping up with the news is hard enough, let alone my other obligations which go unmentioned. I've tried to stay out of these kind of things but it is becoming too distracting. Thanks for everyone's understanding and cooperation.

      • lostworld lostworld

        Thankyou,
        I have alot of respect for the regulars of this site.
        When in harmaony the form a powerful dynamic.
        This comment polution soils all articles it touches.

  • Sickputer

    Thanks Admin…we appreciate your Forum.

    People who get upset with other posters…please step back and take a deep breath before writing something you will regret.

    Try to make a positive out of your experience here without making hostile waves. You can disagree, but don't express your point of view in a demeaning manner. When in doubt remember that silence is often the best response.

    The only people you need to get even with are the ones who helped you.

    • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

      Very nice post sickputer….especially this "The only people you need to get even with are the ones who helped you."

      Sadly, it is beyond that. I have been slandered repeatedly, and tm2020sposts are my evidence of damages. I should not have to come to this site and read attempts to humiliate me from strangers.

    • eatliesndie eatliesndie

      "The only people you need to get even with are the ones who helped you."
      – Sickputer

      SP, that statement is a pearler. I'll keep it! 🙂
      (maybe one day I can get even…)

  • Gabe Gabe

    This petty crap, the nasty bickering and hostility is extremely disgusting, especially on a site like this. Thank God someone with common sense will put an end to it.
    Obviously, RAIN will not let go of the issue and really needs some butt kicking or being banned.
    I rarely post here, but, when I see this kind of nasty and immature behavior going on between members it destroys the entire worth of the comment section.
    I strongly encourage admin to actually do some banning, especially if people feel a need to het the last word in somehow.
    ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Stop acting like petulant children.

    • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

      Enough is enough and so are personal attacks against any member on this site including yours Gabe.

      Please remember that debate is essential on this site.. This is how we not only learn, but also stay open to others options & insights.

      What I describe to others who do not debate issues online is that the most important things is..I do not need to know your name, your gender, your nationality or religious preferences to be open to hearing your side of any issue. And to invite debate against my own. That is what makes sites like this work.

      But most definitely I prefer to stay quiet many times rather than to let my anger or disgust show…simply becasue it is many times best left unsaid. Arguing or defending oneself many times only gives someone more ammunition to twist & use against you.

      And when anger & disgust or frustration gets the best of me I open a word document…or simply write out my feelings..to get it out of my system..or walk away from the computer & do something completely different…I give myself time to vent..where no one but myself will read it & or time to change my focus or attention. Most time I never post what I wrote or edit it so much that little of the anger ect. will be seen.

  • Ancient Voices

    Today's article about camps for evacuees used some profound phrases, such as "grief over permanent diaspora." Even if one lives in a community, it feels like diaspora when no one except yourself is even aware of the Fukushima damage. I come here to feel less like an exile, to be with the folks who "get it" and are bonded as a result of that. Therefore even one angry remark against someone here is heartbreaking…Awhile back I looked at the comments at another famed Fuku site and they were vicious to each other. So I'll keep this as my home. Thank you, enenews.

  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    This post is for admin all enenewsers except 1, that person knows who she is. I appologize for stooping to the level I have recently, this is no place for disruptions like has been going on with the sinkhole threads. Much more important things to deal with, than the childish bickering that happens on here from time to time. I am guilty as charged and willing to leave peacefully. Sure was a nice place until a few troublemakers showed up. I will still read many of the comments here. Truely are some extraordinary angels in this community. God bless you all.

    • norbu norbu

      timemachine2020, for what it is worth, as difficult as it is you have stepped up and that is the first part. The second is to carry on here with your work and don't respond to any useless stuff. Impower yourself and ignore, you will feel better, you can be write without being write.
      peace
      N

  • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

    Community Meeting tomorrow @ 6pm. Should be an interesting one. We will be hearing from the BRC for the first time. Not having the second reading of the 3D, I suspect we will be leaving with many questions still unanswered.