Expert: Melted fuel found at Fukushima — Corium up to 6 feet thick below reactor — Nuclear waste “piling up at bottom” — Lava-like material has spread all over… “hanging like icicles” — Mystery orange substance seen (VIDEO)

Published: July 24th, 2017 at 3:52 pm ET
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Kyodo, Jul 22, 2017 (emphasis added): In big step forward, Tepco finds melted fuel at bottom of reactor 3 in Fukushima… The debris was clearly identifiable to at least one nuclear expert. “The images that appear to be melted fuel debris match those found in the (1986) Chernobyl crisis,” said Tadashi Narabayashi, a specially appointed professor of nuclear engineering working at Hokkaido University. “It’s definitely fuel debris… It’s an epoch-making event.”

New York Daily News, Jul 22, 2017: Underwater robot captures images of melted fuel at wrecked Fukushima nuclear plant — An underwater robot captured photos of 3-foot thick lumps of melted nuclear fuel covering the floor

Sky News, Jul 24, 2017: Melted nuclear fuel spotted in Fukushima reactor — The radioactive material has been spotted and pictured by a submersible robot…

CNN, Jul 24, 2017: [The robot] has revealed appears to be stalactites of melted nuclear fuel, [Tepco] said… the robot sent back 16 hours worth of images of massive, lava-like fuel deposits

AP, Jul 23, 2017: [Images] showed massive deposits believed to be melted nuclear fuel covering the floor

Asahi Shimbun, Jul 23, 2017: Melted nuke fuel images show struggle facing Fukushima plant — Images captured on July 22 of solidified nuclear fuel debris at the bottom of a containment vessel of the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant show the enormity of decommissioning of the facility… [TEPCO] also discovered that the nuclear fuel debris has spread throughout the containment vessel.

AP, Jul 22, 2017: [TEPCO] said the robot found large amounts of lava-like debris apparently containing fuel that had flowed out of the core… TEPCO spokesman Takahiro Kimoto said it was the first time a robot camera has captured what is believed to be the melted fuel. “That debris has apparently fallen from somewhere higher above. We believe it is highly likely to be melted fuel or something mixed with it,” Kimoto said…

Kyodo, Jul 23, 2017: The robot was sent closer to the bottom of the reactor on Saturday and found possible fuel debris scattered in a wide area.

Japan Times, Jul 21, 2017: Fukushima robot finds potential fuel debris hanging like icicles in reactor 3… The objects spotted this time look like icicles… Tepco is pinning its efforts on technology not yet invented to get the melted fuel out of the reactors.

Reuters, Jul 21, 2017: Tepco detected black-colored material that dangled like icicles that could be nuclear debris near the bottom of the reactor’s pressure vessel that contained the fuel rods, the report said, citing unnamed sources.

Bloomberg, Jul 21, 2017: New images show what is likely to be melted nuclear fuel hanging from inside one of Japan’s wrecked Fukushima reactors… [Tepco] released images on Friday showing a hardened black, grey and orange substance

Financial Times, Jul 24, 2017: [Kimoto] was reluctant to speculate on the nature of seemingly corroded orange patches in the images.

NHK, Jul 23, 2017: [TEPCO] says Saturday’s probe found lumps that are highly likely to be fuel debris piling up at the bottom of the containment vessel… The deposits are estimated to be one to two meters thick. Images released on Saturday show black, rock-like lumps and what appear to be pebbles and sand accumulating at the bottom.

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4,359 comments to Expert: Melted fuel found at Fukushima — Corium up to 6 feet thick below reactor — Nuclear waste “piling up at bottom” — Lava-like material has spread all over… “hanging like icicles” — Mystery orange substance seen (VIDEO)

  • m a x l i

    "Mystery orange material seen" – not hard to guess who they will blame this on…

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Mystery orange..

    Might I guess.
    How about a metal/nuclear melding ..add corrosion.
    Where is that clean up robot?
    A simple little scrapping ought to do…
    Not without accelerating the structural damage..

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Here we go.
    Now we must determine the mass of the entire corium,
    subtract the fuel pellets blown out the reactor top and dispersed far and wide,
    subtract the mass of material remaining inside the pedestal,
    and determine the number of feet the corium ate through the basement floor.

    If it turns out that the corium solidified on the concrete floor, then removal will be fairly straight forward.
    The depth of water in Unit 3 may tell us that the containmentfloor is intact.
    This means that all the remaining corium can be scooped up and put into dry cask storage.
    It also means that the containment can be filled with grout or sand, and a sarcophagus built over Unit 3.

    Woopie!
    Tepco may have found one of the missing coria after all! 😉

    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

      Unless they are pouring as much in as is leaving, uncontrolled.

      http://enenews.com/japan-tv-problem-at-fukushima-constant-flow-of-water-pouring-from-foot-wide-hole-at-reactor-3-they-dont-know-where-the-water-is-coming-from-wsj-radiation-level-spikes-60-fold-in-secon

      Kyodo News, Jan. 18, 2014: Water leakage found inside No. 3 reactor of Fukushima plant: TEPCO […] Water that could contain radioactive material has been pouring [from a] 30-centimeter wide water leak […] It said the water had not leaked outside the building. TEPCO has been pouring cooling water on the No. 1 to 3 reactors to cool melted fuel, and water has been seen leaking through damaged parts of the No. 3 reactor’s containment vessel. […]

    • Sol Man

      One corium found, perhaps, but what about the other coria and the rest of the SFP's? I believe that it was reported by Yoichi Shimatsu that all of the fuel was vaporized at the 5,000 deg. C. detonation temp. What is true?

      • razzz razzz

        The more they discover, they more they revise what really happened. Gonna have to wait for radiation readings, temperatures readings, guesstimates of the amount of mass found to confirm what's what.

        • SadieDog

          Question. This robot sunfish works. Right? Why just one?

          • SadieDog

            "The robot, nicknamed the “mini manbo,” or little sunfish, is about the size of a loaf of bread. It is equipped with lights, manoeuvrs with tail propellers and collects data using two cameras and a dosimeter.

            During Thursday’s demonstration at a test facility near Tokyo, the probe slowly slid down from a rail and moved across the water. A team operated it remotely, with one guiding the robot while another adjusted a cable that transmits data and serves as its lifeline. The probe entered a mock-up of a containment vessel, its lights glowing in the murky water.

            Officials hope the probe can swim deep into the reactor to illuminate the area underneath the reactor’s core.

            Japan hopes to locate and start removing fuel from the reactors after Tokyo’s 2020 Olympics.

            Earlier, snake and scorpion-shaped robots became stuck inside two reactors. The scorpion robot’s crawling function failed and it was left inside the plant’s Unit 2 containment vessel. The other, designed for cleaning debris for the “scorpion” probe, was called back after two hours when two of its cameras stopped working after its total radiation exposure reached 1,000 Sievert — a level that would kill a human within seconds. The plan had been to use the robot for 10 hours at an exposure level of 100 Sievert per hour.

            http://www.design-engineering.com/fukushima-robot-1004026829-1004026829/

            • SadieDog

              I'll say it again. Those are some tough plastic, little props and those cameras; not to mention the little gears and motors turning 4 little props. And that shielding on the lifeline/power/data cord. Wow! Amazing!

            • SadieDog

              "The plan had been to use the robot for 10 hours at an exposure level of 100 Sievert per hour."
              Wow! Toshiba should get some kind of prize or medal for this.

  • antipodes

    Thanks Enenews, for the important update, keep up the great work. Next steps study and somehow contain that very dangerous slag. Governments arround should pitch in and get it done.

  • NoFixedID

    From all the media reports I've seen, one would think that the question of whether the fuel had been found was being judged solely on the video evidence. What about the radiation levels? Didn't the robot have a radiation counter? Why aren't the radiation levels being publicised? Are they being withheld to avoid harmful rumours?

    • SadieDog

      That's usin your noodle, nfi. And yes, the current little sunfish robot is equipped with a dosimeter. What kind? I'm looking.

    • SadieDog

      Someone had to put the sumbitch in the water. Can we see that? Someone had to control it. Can we see that? When it came out of the water… Can we see that? What happened to it, as far as wear and damage from radiation? Can we see that?

    • BanReactorsForever BanReactorsForever

      No doubt that fish robot took rad count readings. No doubt the readings were insane. Zero doubt Tepco is hiding this data. Sentence the Nukers to hard labor cleaning up this debacle

  • J.

    Thanks as always to the Administrator for sustaining this site for many years. It's important.

    Please consider compiling and sellling CD-ROM compliations of the material gathered on this site. Some of it is priceless, including the links. At one point, links to Helen Caldicott's NYC conerence gave readers here a virtual ticket to a full education in the facts about nuclear realities and risks.

    Thank you again. We are grateful.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Nice idea, and it is a valuable site. But since it is a news aggregate website, copyright law applies.

      Admin does not have the right to sell information originally published by others.

  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

    From the ENE story: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20170724_27/

    Says the robot "measures radiation". Any word on that??

    An objective look at what is NOT said, is the crux of all nuclear.

    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

      NoFixedID
      Asking the same question 😉

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      The radiation will be past the/any manmade scale of any potential measurement taken.

      Why we have not seen the numbers..they can not be measured.

      • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

        http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/?p=16350
        …TEPCO had not released video of either the 2nd or 3rd inspections and the completed muon scan for unit 3 has also not been made public. No radiation readings have been provided for this work inside unit 3. This may be due to the scandal in the media after similar work in unit 2. A number of major media outlets incorrectly described a high radiation reading found inside unit 2 containment as being a reading “at the plant”. This caused public concern that there was a new radiation leak to the environment at the disaster site. The radiation readings from inside unit 3 containment are still significant and important information that should be released to the public. …

        Don't look down.
        https://www4.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/handouts/2017/images/handouts_170719_01-e.pdf

        Due to the scope of today's exploration we were not able to examine the grating above the platform. ③Plans for the second exploration, which is to be conducted on July 21, will be formulated based on the photographs taken today.

        temperature readings…

        "Water injection unit"?

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      I think they want to see the corium so badly that they are seeing things. All I saw was residue like what was on the hole in the grate at R2.

  • razzz razzz

    Missed by the main stream media is Unit 3's melts are underwater for the most part and water acts as shielding against radiation which helps that robotic sub to survive longer (being underwater). That means if Units 1&2 have their melts resting on their pedestal floors then they have to be flooded and filled above the melts themselves for a submarine inspection or if left in open air, no robot will be able to withstand the radiation coming off the melts (unless the melts are underwater).

    Someplace, somewhere Unit 3's containment shell failed allowing pieces of fuel and rods to be ejected. There must be a gaping hole yet to be shown where hydrogen or steam or debris or an explosion or all the above escaped from a failed containment during the blast.

    The standing water sure looks to be calm and maybe not flowing but there is not supposed any water in these areas to begin with and if the water level is only so high then what's left of the surrounding containment leaks water out so the current level can not rise any higher. TEPCO always wanted to flood and fill the shells to the top of reactor caps, for shielding. Destroyed and leaking containment shells prevent that from happening.

    TEPCO shows parts of a contraption being delivered to be assembled over Unit 3 for a melted fuel removal process that has not been invented yet.
    http://photo.tepco.co.jp/en/date/2017/201706-e/170627-01e.html

  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

    https://www4.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/2017/1445721_10469.html
    Press Release (Jul 24,2017)
    Financial Assistance from the Nuclear Damage Compensation and Decommissioning Facilitation Corporation
    On July 24, we received a funding grant of 30.7 billion yen from the Nuclear Damage Compensation and Decommissioning Facilitation Corporation (hereinafter referred to as NDF) based on the revision of the Special Business Plan which was approved on May 18, 2017.
    This financial assistance was given in response to the 66th request we made in order to cover the compensation payouts due by the end of August 2017. The amount of the payouts to be paid by that time had been estimated to exceed the sum of the compensation we had received in accordance with the "Act on Contract for Indemnification of Nuclear Damage Compensation" (188.9 billion yen) and the financial assistance that the NDF has provided (7,334.4 billion yen).
    With financial assistance from the NDF, we are determined to continue to pay the compensation with courtesy and compassion to all of those who have been afflicted by the nuclear damage.

    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

      https://nuclear-news.net/tag/fukushima-2020/
      …The Abe government has been providing housing subsidies to those who were evacuated, but its recent announcement means those subsidies will no longer be provided. Many “voluntary evacuees” will be forced to consider returning despite lingering concerns over radiation.
      “This is very unfortunate,” Ramana said of the withdrawal of the subsidies. “The people who were evacuated from Fukushima have already been through a lot and for some of them to be told that the government, and presumably TEPCO, does not have any more liability for their plight seems quite callous.”

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/10/japan-fukushima-nuclear-disaster-evacuees-forced-return-home-radiation
      …The headline, subheading and first two paragraphs of this article were corrected on 11 March 2017. The evacuees have not been told they must return to their homes if they want to keep their subsidies, as originally suggested. The subsidies are being withdrawn regardless, which will force many to return out of financial necessity.

  • jackassrig

    "that appear to be melted fuel," "appear to be stalactites," "believed to be," "what is believed to be," "highly likely," "possible fuel debris," "potential fuel debris," "could be nuclear," "highly likely," Hmmmm. It's rust. Six years and lots of steel and salt. Or it could be barnacles. At any rate you damn crackpots it's not nuclear fuel since the damn stuff is at 3000 degC. The fuel is out of the building.

  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

    What DIDN'T you say, Tepco? Is word craft and omission the crux of nuclear profits?

    http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/?p=16264

    TEPCO published press handouts that there will be a muon scan of Fukushima unit 3 starting in May of 2017. Equipment installation is planned for late April 2017. Results will be available in “a few months”.
    The equipment will be installed in the first floor of the unit 3 turbine building. The scan will be capable of viewing the bottom of the reactor vessel but not lower into containment.
    A scan for unit 3 had been put off in previous years over concerns the radiation levels were too high to obtain an accurate scan. …

  • SadieDog

    Some one with alot of computer space might want to save this. https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML0622/ML062290302.pdf

  • RememberThis RememberThis

    Seems awful cool and still to be corium.

    No mixing from heat…no bubbling

    Not buying it.

  • corium pudding corium pudding

    A big "Thank You!" to admin for keeping on this story for all these years.

    Sometimes there is not a lot of news about this, but when there is, it is good to know that people are paying attention to it.

  • earthsmith earthsmith

    Enter the Device

    Clearly identifiable mysteries
    Spotted lava like, icicles misery
    Submersible robot, radioactive chivalry
    Paper heads, patting backs wizardry
    Half cocked, super stocked pleasantries
    Naked oceans, worldwide promotions dosimetry
    Pools up top, tanks by the lot, common decencies
    A daughter here, a daughter everywhere goodbye species
    Snap crackle pop, fizzle plop drop, you ain't kidding me

  • laconic93 laconic93

    Here's a clue that the Tepco videos of the melted fuel are fake.

    Washington Post is reporting it.

  • theworldisalie theworldisalie

    I call Bullshit on this story.

    • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

      "“Possible” – “apparently” – “what is believed to be” – “suggesting” …
      A lot of qualifiers here, and obligatory glee for our cute ‘little sunfish’, but they got one thing absolutely right in this report: they didn’t call it a ‘crippled plant’, it’s now officially the “destroyed plant”; and the most important fact or folly is buried towards the end: “to remove the melted fuel, a process expected to begin sometime after the 2020 Tokyo Olympics…"

      https://nuclear-news.net/2017/07/22/possible-melted-fuel-seen-for-first-time-at-fukushima-plant/

      It sort of, kinda seems that maybe, possibly someone agrees with it not being super convincing.

      • theworldisalie theworldisalie

        It took them this many years to find the melted fuel that is apparently still inside the building they know like the back of their hands and operated for decades.

        Fucking Bullshit! Most of he Fuel is outside containment and thus in the biosphere slowly poisoning everything along with their other core fuckups.

        Simple as that.

      • That was a great comment, for a minute I thought FMM created it, but AI is not that smart.

    • AGreed

      This looks like first post that clearly defines controlled opposition.

      The fucking core is in our lungs, in the krill in davy jones locker.

      It appears that so much was ejected and aerosolized that the remainder did not have enough heat/energy to breach the concrete slab, in this case only. Maybe 4 too, the fuel removal farce goes beyond criminal.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Recap

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7ajuHdeSg8

    2:43 reactor load and spent fuel load chart. 97 tons in reactor, 89 tons in spent fuel

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    1:00 in to video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syz2ByZMpfI

    Only 25 percent of radioactive airborne fallout was released in the first few days of the meltdowns. 75 percent was released in the next few weeks.

    That is why Dana Durnford keeps pointing out that the model of radioactive fallout was based only on one reactor, one radioactive element, and in the first couple of days is so misleading.

    plus reactor three was steaming in 2013 as well. Criticality suspected.

    Nuclear's finest hour, multiple meltdowns, and explosions and it looks like new!!! eahhhhh

  • Has anybody even checked a picture of that reactor 3 building for fuku sakes gezz . The reactor 3 core is gone same as the fuel pools full of reactor cores above it are gone birdbrains . Its also the most radioactive building because it was MOX fuel . So lets be clear no camera took a picture of a reactor that does not exist K alright ,end of story .

    Piff I,ll cover it tomorrow 10:30am PST BC Canada time at my youtube site Beautifulgirlbydana .
    Hugs for everyone , don,t let the monsters win .

    • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

      Well the video for the reactor 3 explosion does look odd to me…

      I mean just the consistency, colour gradient, debris dynamics. But I dunno.

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      looks like new!!! I was joking. A chicken sandwich's finest hour. Look at it floating in the toilet after digestion. Looks like new!!!

      • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

        I have this theory that the "useless breathers" such as us are feeding mutant, radioactive monsters in sewers and crap too.

        There's a huge radioactive lake underground here and I'd be surprised if the shit didn't leach, either way.

        • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

          Well, okay, to be fair, I dunno if you've been called a useless breather, wouldn't want to insult you, sorry. But even with my rather low oxygen usage, I have been.

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        No, really I'm just messing with you. They should scrape up FDNPP, put it in a fresh wrapper and sell it again. Throw in a slightly used chicken sandwich in a new wrapper. The new happy meal

    • BanReactorsForever BanReactorsForever

      I must agree with Dana's arguments re: there is no more Reactor 3 anymore. It was blown to rad bits in that huge dirty bomb explosion which produce that big black mushroom cloud. The reactor 3 interior was many THOUSANDS of degrees right before it exploded. The fuel inside at that point was obviously in a molten and gas state and likely the majority left via the atmosphere during the explosion and afterwards in the raging nuclear fires. Orange colored stalactites = rusted melted steel from the remains of the reactor. No doubt it's ultra radioactive but that black mushroom cloud means there was loads of oxidized rad metals blown everywhere. Recall the robo bulldozers and mass evacuation at Fuku after Reactor 3 went BOOOOOOOOM! Show us the real rad counts from in that building Tepcon. It's a death zone for decades; at least. Olympics in 2020??? Insane

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      regardless of how much of the reactor contents were explosively liberated, Dana should correct the statement that the pools where blasted to non existence….

      http://enformable.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Fukushima-Daiichi-Unit-3-Damage-From-Above.jpg

      But, its hard to believe that the dark water shown above is the same crystal clear water they say it is from in-pool video

      http://fukushima-diary.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Photo-Tepco-reported-2-fuel-assemblies-have-the-handles-deformed-in-pool-of-Reactor-3-800x500_c.jpg

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Now, when they calculate how concrete base of the reactor holds up to 90 tons of melted corium, do they factor in the following scenario?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YufSSwFUAE

    I don't think so!

    • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

      Well, since Dana mentioned it, I figured I'd mention something unrelated.

      "Mixed Oxide (MOX) fuel – a blend of plutonium and uranium oxides – has been successfully used in commercial nuclear reactors in Europe and Japan for more than 40 years. Now MOX is coming to the United States to help fuel nuclear power plants while fulfilling America’s commitment in a landmark nuclear nonproliferation agreement."

      https://www.moxproject.com/about.html

      That's a good logicking.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    And then there was that pesky explosion. How much stress was placed on the base of the reactor when it was used as a launch pad. They really think the core is still in there. Amazing

  • razzz razzz

    That video showing a thick 'white cloud' emanating from Unit 3 for a few weeks after the blast was pointed out by Arnie G. not to be a steam cloud but a radioactive cloud as the melted fuel was interacting metal and concrete.

    No containment means no containment. Initially, 100% of noble gases were released from all three reactors. Continues to vent (to this day). Then the melts began mixing with groundwater and sea water. Still venting to atmosphere, some releases are by water erosion. Then there is irradiation as some nearby elements that were not radioactive, are now via neutron bombardment. Still there is radioactive dust that escapes and radioactive moisture and gasses. TEPCO pretends to capture any fallout with tents, and metal plates and being really really careful but they can't stop it all and the effects are cumulative if they can't get containment back.

    Is the plant still gushing radioactivity, no. Is the plant still leaking, yes. If they think they are going to use 500,000 soldiers to run in and pick up radioactive pieces like Russia did at Chernobyl, they are crazy.

    http://video.dailymail.co.uk/video/bc/rtmp_uds/1418450360/2014/01/20/1418450360_3084261746001_d75a08291f10fdbe3aeae9d77b3b9e81-52de20b6.mp4

    • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

      Well, I still dunno if reactor 3 melted down or blew up, since MOX is so fissile, maybe a bit of both…

      But then there's also the spent fuel pool. 566 rods? How much is that?

      "Fuel-removal work at the storage pool for reactor 3 of the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant has been pushed back to mid-fiscal 2018 due to equipment malfunctions and high radiation, the utility and the government said."

      http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/01/27/national/fukushima-reactor-3-fuel-removal-pool-postponed/#.WXcBS_X-vi4

      "Workers at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant have successfully removed a 20-ton device from the Number 3 reactor building.
      The fuel exchanger fell into the fuel pool on the top floor when the reactor building exploded during the 2011 disaster. The device was used to move nuclear fuel in and out of the pool."

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTOz9GUUsXE

      Well, they've removed something, just not the spent fuel.

      • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

        "The fuel exchanger fell into the fuel pool on the top floor when the reactor building exploded during the 2011 disaster."

        Reckon that could have damaged stuff, maybe causing…I dunno, bad things?

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      Mmmm. I noticed that the fuel pool is very close to the reactor core. If the fuel pool material was fissioning and reacting with metal and concrete maybe it was the metal and concrete of the reactor. I mean the heat in the reactor and the neutrons and all that energy of both reactor fuel and spent fuel pool would be attacking the reactor from inside and out. Then there is the Wigner effect and the steel trying to turn into Cobalt 60. And yes I may be closer to a useless breather than a scientisht. But you know what I mean. And then the explosion may have had some unexpected results and then there's the whoosh effect thing with the cap jumping up coming back down and the vacuum implosion effect and… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J9ayHYClw8

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      Is that video from a Daily Mail article? I am trying to find the article. This should not go unnoticed

  • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

    I'm bitching a bit on the following site (some other guys there too). One guy in particular, as I've mentioned before, reminds me of someone who used to post here. Maybe some of you can spot the similarities.

    "Doesn't matter how healthy you were prior once there's disfunction in your telomeres and a chain of over-replication therein there's little which can be done, your age, your wealth, medical treatment will be of little consequence, odds are you're done for."

    https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/252947-melted-nuclear-fuel-found-fukushima-underwater-robot

    Not the greatest article I've ever read. Typically some pro-nuke guys there too.

    • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

      Obviously I have to post some music.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83zAy78i8XU

      • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

        And since I know you'd probably the skip the song.

        http://lyrics.wikia.com/wiki/Age_of_silence:Auditorium_Of_Modern_Movements

        "This is the auditorium of modern movements
        A breeding ground for light speed profit thinking
        Where a biting shine exposes the possibilities of the flesh
        And the direction of the green flow

        This is the city of Soma – an idea brought to life
        And carefully designed by George Reed

        Founding member of Modern Architects Deluxe
        – "Constructing a new world for speed, efficiency and streamlined income"

        So you're climbing upwards through structures of metal and glass
        Subconsciously trying to reach the roof, but somehow there's always one more floor
        It's a strange mixture of soft thinking and hard work
        Or was it the other way around?
        The ground for comparison was trampled a long time ago,
        So no one really knows anymore
        Amidst this aimless craving for matter"

  • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

    Let's do a bit of KISSy KISSy logic and reasoning here, I'm gonna do some induction, deduction, reduction, implication, suggestion and inference too. Some ghetto MacGuyver mechanics.

    Ok, so admittedly, reactor 3 core is melted down (according to TEPCO). Yes?

    Can't find the reactor 3 core (don't want to, or it basically doesn't exist). Trying very hard to though (sure sure).

    Ok, so maybe I'm fucking stupid, but, couldn't you like take a rod of cheap metal or something and just kinda probe for it?

    I mean, imagine you have a blob of lava or something in water. How about just drilling or prodding that until you notice some damage to that rod?

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    TEPCO workers protest dangerous work conditions and getting screwed out of promised bonuses.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqLtacYZK1k

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Hard to believe, but plumbing got damaged. Tsunami damage minimal. Plumbing at Fuku didn't fare too well, either from other reports I've read. This gives added weight to those reports.

    "Though the area’s clubs are located a mere 200 meters from the coast in Iwaki City, impacts from the tsunami that rushed ashore following the 9.0-magnitude earthquake of March 11 were minimal. Damage to storage tanks and pipe networks utilized by water suppliers, however, forced all the clubs to close down." http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2014/04/04/nuclear-plant-workers-revive-fukushima-sex-industry/

    All those Tepco guys at the club looking for the corium. Must have hearing problems.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Migrating tuna fish carry radiation to distant lands.

    http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2013/03/24/the-nuclear-nightingales-of-fukushima/

    Anyone testing the nuclear nightingales?

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Good stuff! 🙂 Good for her!

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    • unincredulous unincredulous

      "She says that a number of nuclear plant workers will show her photos of subject matter related to radiation on their mobile phones. They will also feed her information that runs counter to that widely available."

      Attention journalists! Just like in Washington, the hookers got the inside goods.

      What will happen when people can get AI implants? Hookers will know what is going on. They will understand. The powers that be will be screwed. There is still hope. People will not know if what they are telling hookers goes into the eyes, and is streaming live on the internet.

      Not that implants are good… but at least there's that.

      on the down side, politicians will have lie correcting and lie synchronization computers connected to their mouths.

      But video doesn't lie. The future just sounds to strange. Now when you are around people they might be talking on their cell phones and don't pay attention to you when you are right there in front of them. Even when you are a customer at a store. In the future, someone else might be seeing through their eyes. "Hey, girl, I'm having coffee, if you'd care to join me." "No, but my boyfriend thinks you're cute, ….uh the police recognized your face, and have mistaken you for a terrorist and the drones are dropping bombs now. See ya." Well all righty then

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Sun is up and I am down

  • cooter

    Looking at the capstand with bolts holding a plate in bottom pix of:
    http://news.sky.com/story/melted-nuclear-fuel-spotted-in-fukushima-reactor-10959524

    Notice how each and everyone of the bolt heads have rust, in a circle around them and the bolts above them. So TEPCO wants me to believe that melted nuclear fuel pellets deposited so very nicely around the bolt heads but not ON the bolt heads. Think about it.

    Bull pucky. It's rust, just like all the other rust colored material on the beams is rust. 80% the nuclear fuel was ejected and 20% was blown deep down into the earth.

    This is the poster child of FAKE NEWS. Just like most of the stories that ENE has spoon fed everyone for the past year, which is eagerly lapped up.

  • Sol Man

    There is a state of mind, no, an evil, that is so obtuse that most can not comprehend it, or at least, I can not, that has a fascination, no, a drive to incinerate, to destroy, on a micro or a macro level. It is far beyond my ability to understand.

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

    I'm reading this now.

    Fasting & Eating for Mind-Body Purification (e-book) by Dr. David Klein et al.
    https://vibranthealthandwealth.com/product/447/

    https://davidkleinphd.wordpress.com/2012/11/20/natural-hygiene-the-science-and-fine-art-of-healthful-living/

    Back to my tree and climbing rose pruning and seed planting and meditation.

  • cooter

    ENE,
    "Corium up to 6 feet thick below reactor"

    How did they measure this and how do they know its not just debris? Where did ENE get this figure of 6 ft. deep? I read every article they linked to and there is no mention of this.

    Maybe a misprint or just freedom of the press.?

    Did I miss something?

    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

      "NHK, Jul 23, 2017: [TEPCO] says Saturday’s probe found lumps that are highly likely to be fuel debris piling up at the bottom of the containment vessel… The deposits are estimated to be ***one to two meters thick.*** Images released on Saturday show black, rock-like lumps and what appear to be pebbles and sand accumulating at the bottom."

      ENE headline: "Corium up to 6 feet thick below reactor"

      1 meter= 3.2808399 feet

      2 meter= 6.5616798 feet

      Should they have said "up to 6.5 feet thick"?

      Appears to be an American writing the headlines…Run with it.

    • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

      A little bit about glitch.

      "It has been described as a genre that adheres to an "aesthetic of failure,""

      "That drop hits like a tsunami!"

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m9z_RAppdI

      sharing music with AI.

      Keeping your sanity is important for surviving nuclear fallout.

      I'm losing mine.

      Had a dream. My "running buddies" (I have none) was bouncing around in the country. One guy was telling me about preparing ham and curing it or barbecuing ham and such. We had this ham to cure. The elderly gentleman in charge of the ham was sleeping next to it. The narrator was telling me about the uncertain mysteries of the process. He said that it was possible the ham might get pissed on. I guess the old man might accidentally do that in his sleep. I was disturbed a bit. Anyway, next thing you know we were at a barbecue on a country estate, the hams on the grill. It was a very earthy dream as I woke up, I was looking at a smoldering elk or other large animal's rib cages and other bones smoldering in a heap of ashes. The quality of earth under the fire adds it's own distinctive flavors… I was getting schooled. I guess the ham survived the night without urinary seasoning… Then we are on the front lawn of a country estate, and the chef had the ham on a large array of grill steel. The chef's wife was introducing herself. I forgot her name just after she told me, and she caught me. She said I just woke up, so it was understandable. Then I woke up.

      Well, it's important to treat yourself right. This is what I've been up to. Dreaming. Getting your sleep is important to survive contamination. Back to sleep…

  • So the plot thickens?!?…

    We told you this since day 1 tepco-
    Its as if you choose to believe your own lies over the reality that unfolded since day 1.
    A sad day indeed.
    Tg.

  • Before I get banned, invitation to all "legitimate" People here.

    I am in possession of a very detailed report that exceeded my farthest expectations on the history of ENE / Owner. It will likely change the opinion of even those who are on the fence on ENE ownership.

    Interesting that today's "We found the core, all of it" post is the same day I received the report, which goes beyond just good detective work, but also contains credible interpretation.

    I will not be publishing this report. But I will send it to anyone, and only those, who have previously contacted me by email. So if you want it, email me now. There is one last cycle of spelling/grammar check so it won't come until a few days.

  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

    Wait….What?

    You claim owner is nuke.

    You couldn't substantiate.

    Now, you claim you have discriminating evidence, but won't tell?

    Unless you get emails, personally? And that would be "in a few days"? Where have I heard that before?

    Cart in front of horse. Same with the metric converter, or lack thereof.

    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

      Was there a return address on the "certified letter" to "unknown relation"? Who's, if so?

      Who wrote the letter and what did it say?

      • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

        Hard questions, I know.

        Good job derailing the thread, though.

        Action. Intent.

      • This seems dis-ingenious. I have previously disclosed that letters were sent certified and return receipt requested.

        Are you ready for the truth?

        • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

          "Dis-ingenoius"? Indeed.

          Disclosed "it" was sent. "Letters"? OK. Was there a return address, if so, who's, who wrote them and what did they say?

          The truth? Confident that that would be the case?- not necessarily.

          Whatever it is- IT IS.

          Changes nothing from my end.

          You?

      • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

        Wait what? You're confusing me stock.

        Anyway, if you say something they particularly don't like, they delete/block those replies.

        • I don't see you there, although you said you posted. Mine are still up as Frank Energy

          • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

            Janneman Koekemoer. Check Decksupmysleeve though, that guy knows his shit, I've been checking some of his comments for a while.

            • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

              Reminds me of Ontological, to some extent (however incorrect that may be). He has a similar sort of insight, seemingly. Checked his comments on other nuke (well, not just) articles there.

              Seems like a good dude.

              • m a x l i

                What does Farthington know about that? Ontological disappeared a long time before Farthington turned up. In fact, Farthington reminds me of Ontological. What Ontological was doing was mostly (1) copy-pasting random unrelated text snippets without mentioning the source, thereby pretending to "know" impressive stuff, (2) throwing temper tantrums to disrupt the discussion flow, (3) promoting the extremest fringe pseudo science, hollow earth and the full spectrum, (4) promoting pseudo science about "free" energy while not ever expressing interest in renewable energy and not contributing to nuclear matters discussion in a truthful way, rather with misleading, false statements, (5) psy-op-ing the audience by permanently pushing pessimistic, end-of-the-world messages by playing around with the quick repetition of words like "death", (6) getting very basic science and logic completely wrong (Anne-style) – when I asked questions about that, he was not interested in clarifying or discussing that, instead pulled the victim card (old, poor, brain cancer); when I asked again, I was rudely attacked by Ontological and several attack dogs (among them even a new name* never before and never afterwards seen).

                What Farthington said above about Ontological gives me certainty: The point of Farthington's presence here is disruption, sabotage and discrediting the site. But I knew that before.

                "Similar sort of insight" – that's pathetic.

                • m a x l i

                  (*Interesting side note: A very long time later, Anne unerringly and easily managed to present that one-time-use name's preposterous comment out of millions of comments in an attempt to throw some mud on me in order to get me banished or whatever the purpose was.)

                  • Yep, I have busted the cartel when they have pulled out too much dossier material that no one would otherwise remember, much less even be able to find.

                    At least we are causing them to waste resources, ouch.

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                    Whatever I find I find by using Google, and then when I get a particular page, I use CONTROL+F to search for that page. Also in searching through comments I use the url and change the last number which is the number of the comment page and find dates. I have an extremely good memory, so I have been able to find comments. One time, it was stock who remembered about something socref said, but which I had never read, but tracked it down for stock.

                    Some people have been following me for a year wearing disguises for the most part. Whatever I have done I have been trying to protect myself from slander and I have no idea who people are or what their motives are. I thought at first someone came to court me, but no one has ever introduced himself/herself or ever tried to talk to me, so there is no way that is on the table.

                    I really don't care if anyone is banned or not, but the attacks are really crazy unless the people are paid operatives of either a foreign country or political or an energy cartel.

                    I am a real person and I have lost my teaching job spending so much time blogging on this website. So I really don't have much sympathy anymore for any of the attackers.

                    I followed the Gulf oil spill every day and when Fukushima occurred, I found this website right away, but didn't post at first because I don't post on the internet.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                      When I trieo find my first post, I Googled "enenews.com May 2011) and then enenews.com April 2011 and looked at the page numbers on the bottom of the page.

                      Sometimes I Google the users moniker along with enenews.com and a few words from the subject matter.

                • maxli, we will also have a report coming out on AI / SAI.

                  I think it will be really important. And necessary to keep the jack boot off our throats.

                  • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

                    You're talking about me, aren't you? I

                    I remember people freaking the fuck out over at GLP when I mentioned a few things, about 3/4 years ago.

                    GG.

                    • The report will go way beyond just you. But ENE as a test bed for powers that be cartels and there use of computers / AI to control overall public view.

                      This will lead to a law, making the practice of using computers to disrupt online conversations illegal. Clearly defined.

                      Certainly the use of computers to disrupt, distract online conversations violates the concept of free speech. But since the Constitution has been so raped over by Obama et al…..we need to spell out AI in no uncertain or confusing terms.

                    • m a x l i

                      That sounds like you caught a very big fish. And you don't want to publish it here? Only against request per email? If any of what you are saying is remotely true, you should find a publisher that fits the great relevance. I only say weekee leeks.

                    • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

                      Maxli, maybe, butother than asking for support/suggestions against pro-nuke fucktards on other sites, have I ever tried to link to site run (none), aked for financial support, etc? I just don't sell out, even if i'm an incredibly obnoxious , stupid asshole or whatever.

                      Stock reckon I don't drink, etc, even after I provide photos I mentioned I would. Some other people here (I dunno, like FBW, reckon I'm a shitposting drunk, though I won't argue the shitposting bit).

                    • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

                      FFS, even after mention ATP (still not recognized generally, even though it is the most goddamn important biologocal function) and the links to glutamine/glutamate, even after I mentioned 4 papers linking to uranium/phospine, even after I tried to explain the parallels of acanthamamoeba (not just a parallel, btw). Still, no matter what I post…

                    • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

                      I'm gonnna remind you, about 9 days. Perfect example, quite old.

                    • m a x l i

                      Don't pretend to cry, Farting. I have no empathy with a machine, supervised or not. I don't care about you. Your only purpose: You are good for landfill.

                  • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

                    They also tried to suggest chess is the game, and I was like…"well you know what, maybe us pawns will just walk away and play our own game"

                  • Ya, its a big important fish. Smoked, not stirred.

                • SadieDog

                  Ontological was cool. You twat.

                  • m a x l i

                    Tell me the story about flat earth again, afterbirth!

                    • SadieDog

                      Maybe later. At last I'm here to respond to your bullshit. Onto isn't right now. So, I'm your huckleberry.

                    • good idea about wiki leaks

                    • m a x l i

                      Maybe Wikileaks has that material already. I very vaguely remember that Assange recently made remarks about the danger of AI to society. I'm not sure what exactly he meant. It's hard to follow everything.

                    • m a x l i

                      Probably you need to find someone who can help you to send the stuff.

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                    Mostly I remember that Onto published pictures of sky that showed radiation. He's been gone a long time; I hope he is all right.

                    He did get upset once when someone wasn't nice. I remember saying that he had had surgery for brain cancer and we should be nice to him.

                • cooter

                  A good machine language algorithm could absorb all of the material ever posted to ENE in a day or two with supervised help. Raises ones eyebrows as to the question of WHY FM would bring this up about Ontological.?

                  Why is this A17?

                  • And if they had access to the dossier, it would be even faster.

                  • m a x l i

                    I would call it testing the water. Checking out what the reaction will be after dropping the name, in order to develop a strategy who to send back into the playing arena. Players that carry high conflict potential (50% regulars pro, 50% against) are perfect for their game. Recognisable long-time players that divide the community in the middle are a valuable ressource or investment for them.

                    They tried testing the water with that name a few weeks ago. No reaction of the audience that time. Afterwards silence until now – next attempt.

                  • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

                    Because of the definition and description of the word ontological, implying something about intuition.

                    And stop calling me a17.

                    • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

                      I much prefer to be called Frank, maybe even death.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      how do you like Fart-hing-ton-mac-man-anus?

                      if you prefer Frank (we saw the photos), then you should use that moniker. I use Code, call me Sue but dont call me crap

                      I can only think that your literary art descends from the post Goth dada-esque devo movement…but where is the discipline?

                    • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

                      It's Far Thing Ton. But yeah, whatever.

                • or-well

                  truth + m a x l i.
                  Onto absolutely did not even begin to understand the concept of half-life.

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    yes, even IF he had an idea AND there was enough fallout to cause sky color change, his admonition that things would go to hell all of a sudden at the half life point was comic.

                    • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

                      Let gooogle help you with that, did you mean to type, comically accurate?

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      I meant to type supercalifragilisticomedialidocious, but it was too long

                    • m a x l i

                      There is a pattern and there is a method:
                      (1) Present some pseudo-scientific hogwash.
                      (2) From that derive a global cataclysmic event. Illustrate that event with horrific, graphic details.
                      (3) Tell a certain date or short time frame in the very near future for that event, in order to send impressionable and low-educated people into panic mode.
                      (4) Repeat steps (1), (2) and (3) several times.
                      The intention of this procedure is to make people feel helpless and become resigned in order to distract from real facts and problems or even crimes.

                      Examples (rough details from memory plus one citation):
                      ——
                      Ontological:
                      False concept of half life -> A certain isotope will completely transform on a certain day -> This will cause our bones to fall apart (or similar) and cause terrible global suffering and mass death on that particular day.
                      ______
                      PattyB:
                      Planet Nibiru will come and get us all in a certain time period. This event will set most of the land mass under ocean water and irradiate all remaining life to death. She advices us to dig a big hole and bury a camper van in there in order to survive the coming catastrophe.
                      ______
                      Anne:
                      "PraisingTruth
                      SEPTEMBER 22, 2015 AT 2:16 PM […]

                      Tomorrow and Thursday CERN will be at full power trying to recreate the Big Bang. It may make billions of people crazy.

                      Better plan to have some survival supplies and survival skills."
                      ______

                      Three horses from the same barn, if you ask me. Anyone remembers more examples?

                    • m a x l i

                      All three have more in common (not every detail following may be valid in every case):
                      -The eagerness to repeatedly share all kinds of supposed personal details – up to name, photo, personal history, health history… in an attempt to gain sympathy and credibility.
                      -Victim role (cancer, being followed/threatened/even poisoned by deep state, mysterious stalkers…)
                      -All report severe health problems in order to explain away their non-sensical and contradictory comments.
                      -If you ask them hard questions, you are quickly named a pro-nuclear shill.
                      -You cannot have a real scientific discussion with them. They resort to excuses, distractions, deviations, gaslighting, attacks…

                    • m a x l i

                      And I forgot one point:
                      -They protect and elevate each other.

                    • or-well

                      m a x l i, you left out TimeIsShort or Dr Doom as I thought of him.
                      TIS would choose a thread and saturate it with Doomism references from a variety of sources varying in accuracy & credibility,
                      and reinforce all that with many original postings expressing the same "It's all hopeless we're all gonna die" theme, creating quite a dominant narrative on the thread, many posts of which were off-topic, deflecting & distracting.
                      Consistently promoting helpless acquiescence while saying love those near & dear.

                    • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

                      "Consistently promoting helpless acquiescence while saying love those near & dear."

                      Fuck that, I'm here to destroy.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      thus the earth was lost

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      We need to debunk this to feel happy about the future

                      World wildlife 'falls by 58% in 40 years'
                      http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37775622

                      debunk it while we still can

                      exponential rise in autism
                      http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KfUbLIsAqCY/UOL5BEqFExI/AAAAAAAACHw/LkBOTLD6now/s1600/autism+rise.jpg

                      Personally, I think the mandela effect allowed Farthington to transport early from Niburu and thats why we see so much destruction. However, it should be OK if you have faith in Jesus…

                    • or-well

                      Trying to remember how long Obama spent on Mars, according to PattieB. Was it 16 or 17 minutes?
                      Will "They" share "GATE-TECH" with Elon Musk ?
                      LOL !
                      When Admin didn't shut that lunatic bullshiter out I knew this site would be relegated to the margins.
                      Here we are.

                    • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

                      Holy shit, it seems CS actually understands the bit about Dark Star and Farth Vader. Now maybe we can talk about the procession and precession.

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      More than a few, actually a long list. When I first arrived here, just a lurker, it was hard to post trying to figure out what these folks had going on in their minds.

                      "We not they finally", tag team Duo of doofus. Concepts of kilowatt, horsepower, electron volt, completely lost on them. But it did not stop them from claiming the end of the world was near. Purveyors of wives tales and tribal knowledge.

                      "MT1000" I have talked to Lauren Moret my best friend and she agrees there are gigantic gamma beams beaming out of the giant holes in the ground all around Fukushima. Never mind that it mystically coinsides with the lighting schedule and comes on and off the same time everyday.

                      Quite a few alcoholics along the way, they MumbleMutt theirselves into view, given enough time.

                    • m a x l i

                      I half understand what you mean. Already the chosen screen name is the intended message, maybe. On the other hand, I never saw him in the same category. Who does not consider a bit of doom as a realistic option, would be a bit naive. (Or in other words: Optimism is only a lack of information. 😉 ) What's missing for my categorisation is the specific near-future cataclysmic event prediction. Pretty much everything else is missing or I didn't see. There, I never sensed the psychopathic nature present in my "favourite" three, but I could be easily fooled and played like everyone else – see our recent flat earther. Interesting revelation for me! Thanks for your input! I always look out for the pink unicorn when climbing over the mountain of wallpaper.

                    • or-well

                      Hah ! WNTF ! Never anything to contribute, but she'd go down the list of comments and criticize what each said ! He wasn't so bad.
                      One night I watched as she systematically slagged everyone on a new thread. Amazing.

                    • or-well

                      m a x l i good definition of Optimism, but TIS was thorough in the creation of dominant narratives. I challenged TIS a couple of times – phew – just an opening to even more – and I wasn't into adding dispute here then – but he/she was unrelievedly consistent and we are all supposed to be dead by now from Ebola. I remember that one.
                      The predictions were never as short as a year, more "near mid-term" I would say.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      OK..while we are chatting…a true story;
                      Once upon a time, my destiny found me face to face with a beautiful woman…long luscious curles of mahogany hair fell upon her weighty bosom…looking into her big dark eyes was like trying to fathom the black forest, or the galaxy sprinkled like ice crystals in the night sky. She had a build like…an amazon woman, with really strong legs

                      She asked what I was spending time on at the computer…and I mentioned this forum. And she immediately said…but those places are just filled with social rejects and crazy people. I paused for a second…and said, well I'M on there….

                      This sounds totally presumptuous, but I thought I actually had a chance with this woman, even though she was gorgeous and many years younger. Sometimes…you get that message, and you can hardly believe it. Its the beauty and beast story.

                      So anyway…she asked me to go for a walk in the moonlight. Which was just…I felt like I was living a scene in a movie…and I told her great, just hold on for about 45 minutes because theres some more stuff I want to post on ENEnews. I didnt realize it at the time but that was the end of the romance…even though I still see this person to this day…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      fortunately a lot of those nutty posters have died out in the apocalypse

                    • m a x l i

                      I have a feeling some died the Indian way and re-incarnated.

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      Many have their own websites, coming here was/is a business plan. Some OK, some not.

                      AGR- Cannot run a ruler, a calculator, or string logic, but can make a conclusion.

                      Anyone know where GOM ran off to? My guess is under the bed or maybe inside the hollow earth, getting set up for the upcoming eclipse. Special needs folks.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      yes, they have their own websites…I was thinking…together we could put together a course on how to capitalize on disaster events by starting your own website and filling it with the work from forum posters who will do this for free. We could sell this course from a number of websites, and with the profits…get this…lend each other money with a high interest rate. Being frugal, we can live on the interest income alone, while making a tidy profit for retirement. Whos in?

                    • m a x l i

                      You mean: you lend me and I lend you? Sounds like a good plan. But can I trust you? This brings me to a better idea: I lend MYSELF money with a high interest rate. I will be rich. Finally – economic growth and prosperity for me. (What works for a society, should work for any individual.) Thanks for the inspiration!

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      m a x l i, you have a rare wisdom

                    • m a x l i

                      Obviously you mean the but-can-I-trust-you part. 😉

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      my race was eager for native american indian genocide and never kept an agreement. Now every race seems that way

                    • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

                      Obe, I went over the comment section quickly, didn't notice any mention of how chemotherapy involves radiation, ddt/agent orange derivatives, doesn't have particularly high success rates, often results in leukemia or that biopsies often promotes metastasis, either.

                      Did I miss something?

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      This might help.
                      http://pnhp.org/blog/2009/10/22/baby-boomers-and-cancer-storms-ahead/

                      What was missing was the outrageous discussion of costs charged in the U.S. by the entire medical community and experienced by everyone here in the U.S.

                      Why the chemo comparison link was included.

                      Problem is not only about healthcare..it is also about legal theft via the approval of law.

                      Rape and pillage is the American Way inside her borders and outside her borders. 🙁

                    • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

                      Oh I thought the racketeering was obvious, shit, I was actually concerned about the health factors, my bad.

                  • HoTaters HoTaters

                    supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

                    "Atoning for educability through delicate beauty" (roughly translated)

                    Sounds more like something I'd repeat to myself over and over when I didn't want to throttle someone for their impertinence or is that impudence?

          • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

            And they really did delete that pastebin comment (intented as a reply to christ roberts) I linked there, 4 times. Even took some screenshots and showed some other people.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

          Mostly they attack in order to get information. I probably just said too much.

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            But you are followed each time you leave the house. Have you tried disguises? You know…a wig and hat, sunglasses and a mustache?

            You said too much? Yes, we call it wallpaper. Farthington, please make a nowt of it

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

              I don't see how someone could know the exact time I'm leaving by yard. I've wondered if there is a camera somewhere in my house.

              Jebus once told me that I need to wear my clothes when I am on my computer, but my computer is too old to have a camera on it.

              Anyway I'm transparent and there is no way I'm gong to wear a disguise. And I can't wear sunglassses because I need the sunlight from the sun [not looking directly at the sun] to combat cancer.

              If there is a camera, it might look like I'm immodest, which is definitely not the case, but I don't know what I could do about it.

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                Normally I never look at men, but I tried to be a little bit friendly in passing just in case there was someone behind the disguise that was Code.

                I was hoping for a friend, but that was totally naive. Don't look for friends on the internet. They are just playing games.

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                I think there is general agreement that people who are transparent can use the computer while naked, and not fear that someone will see them. Its also a very good reason not to use disguises. Perhaps the people following you do so by the clothing you wear. Have you considered going naked so as to avoid detection?

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                  transparent, definition, free from pretense or deceit

                  I think it is my walker that is the dead giveaway. It is also very noisy so someone can hear it coming [or going].

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    OK…lets think this through. You are being stalked, and going naked doesnt deter them because your walker is a dead giveaway, nor can you trust god to stop this frightening menace.

                    Might I suggest that the walker can be a part of the solution instead of the problem? Something like this is a little pricey, I realize
                    http://www.scififantasyhorror.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/alex-ichim/the-digital-scifi-art-of-alex-ichim.jpg

                    but this might be affordable. Have you thought of crowd funding?
                    http://geekologie.com/2009/12/17/buggy-1.jpg

                    This is something in between, and Im sure would be very effective against giant trannies, midget credit card thieves, rubber masked men on stilts and so on

                    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/26/c9/0c/26c90c0441196e7b3a855eb874cda1da–funny-shit-funny-pics.jpg

                    Or, just use what you already have
                    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/98/03/8c/98038c00af1d85a401401bed05350a26.jpg

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                      I never go out naked. You do really act like AI. Years go it seemed like your were following me around on the internet.

                      Anyway, I'm tired of all the deception and psych manipulation and I'm definitely sure that I could never have you for a friend. Aren't you stock's lover? At least according to SadieDog, unless all the comments are just more games on the internet.

                      Anyway, I'm tired of your insults and slander. When people like Hippie Dog claim you twist everything they say, and maybe Onto did also, it is a correct assessment. So either you are an operative or AI.

                      My personal opinion is that you try to discredit anyone who is anti-Nuke. I suspect that whoever runs you is also running FM and stock also.

                      I meant to just post once today and it is obviously a mistake on my part to keep posting.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      " Aren't you stock's lover? At least according to SadieDog"

                      Well I never knew I was until Sadie informed me. But I didnt know the earth was flat either. Looks like we both learned something.

                      Im sorry you took offense over my suggestions. Its because you said you work at your computer without clothes and "Anyway I'm transparent and there is no way I'm gong to wear a disguise", which, naturally I took to mean that the disguise would destroy the transparency effect, thus exposing you to your attackers who follow you every day. My bad. I used to have doubts about my reading comprehension, but now Im not so sure

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Anne, heres a thought; have you ever considered that maybe you arent being stalked because you know too much, but rather too little?

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                      Actually I wear clothes when I work at my computer, just in case.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                      Well, I don't leave my yard everyday. And think you are right. I don't know who is doing it, so you are right. There is a whole lot that I don't know. Mostly it is just one person, but over the year, as far as I know it hasn't been the same person the whole time. And I don't feel in danger, and don't really mind it. I just don't know what is going on.

                      The same goes for this website. I don't know who anyone is.

                      My Ph.D. is in literature, so that was reading fiction and analyzing what the author was saying. And I learn lots from the links posted and opinions expressed. So it is interesting, but I don't really like it when people attack each other because it is just a digression or distraction from real information.

              • HoTaters HoTaters

                That sounds like what someone with Lewy Body dementia would say.

                "I know you are all convinced the housekeeper that was fired four years ago isn't here but I've seen her and she has some kind of special camera that can see through my walls. She waits until I fall asleep, then she steals my car keys and takes my car."

                (Actually, pops, you forgot to buy gas after the last time you drove.)

      • PlowboyGrownUp

        Stock, I can't even open disqus. There's 30 or so comments I made two years ago that are in moderation – on that Texas Energy Week article. Seems the powers have locked me out of disqus. 🙁

  • Thread already muddied up, repost

    Before I get banned, invitation to all "legitimate" People here.

    I am in possession of a very detailed report that exceeded my farthest expectations on the history of ENE / Owner. It will likely change the opinion of even those who are on the fence on ENE ownership.

    Interesting that today's "We found the core, all of it" post is the same day I received the report, which goes beyond just good detective work, but also contains credible interpretation.

    I will not be publishing this report. But I will send it to anyone, and only those, who have previously contacted me by email. So if you want it, email me now. There is one last cycle of spelling/grammar check so it won't come until a few days.

    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

      Empty comment.

      Thread was running smoothly prior…

      • SadieDog

        Yeah, it's pretty funny.

        stock
        JULY 25, 2017 AT 5:34 PM
        Very observant maxli. Let me know if you wish to contribute to the AI report in any way.

        Report comment

        m a x l i
        JULY 25, 2017 AT 6:04 PM
        What report? I understood you received a report.

        Report comment

        stock
        JULY 25, 2017 AT 6:11 PM
        Maxli, I received the ENE report. AI is an important part of that, but AI by itself is the even bigger story.

        Report comment

        • m a x l i

          SadieDog, you are right about that. There obviously are contradictions and my question didn't clear things up, only caused a evading, hazy response. (Also "I received the report" doesn't go well with "There is one last cycle of spelling/grammar check".) You have demonstrated that you are intelligent and can think for yourself. This fact together with the fact that you pretend to seriously consider to live on a flat earth makes you a troll or a shill or an arse – whatever flavour you prefer.

          • SadieDog

            Never said the earth was definitely flat. And , I like thinking for myself and shall continue to do so. So… Fuck off, maxli.

            • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

              Did you check downward spiral earth theory? It's quite convincing, actually. It says like, uhm, people are breaking things and well, that's why the habitat is not suitable.

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            its great to have m a x l i hanging out for a while. Real stuff for real people

            • Ya enough of "fake commenters" getting pretty disgusting

            • m a x l i

              Did it get tiresome talking to bots? That's only because they are older models, some even shabby, in urgent need of repair. Take Annebot, for instance: hard drive of decent speed and capacity, but damaged ALU (Arithmetic Logic Unit). The off switch fell off some years ago and was lost. There are no replacement parts for such older models. Don't get me started on the hassle to replace the vegan batteries every five minutes. I am an M.X.L.B.T., an M.X.L.B.T.5002 actually – the latest model.

              https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=noI7TmspMrM

        • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

          Low frequency, still the best way to propagate effects through various matters, especially highly dense stuff. In fact, even quicker when it's through high density stuff, inverse relationship.

    • freebywill

      RE: The ongoing ENENews investigation and alleged information/report.

      [ 1) What is the definition of 'legitimate' as used here? ]

      [ 2) Who determines who's 'legitimate' and can you post a list? ]

      [ 3) Why will you only send this 'report' to people you have previous email contact with? ]

      [ 4) If you are only going to send it to people you have previous email contact with why didn't you send them an email telling them that instead of posting this in public? ]

      [ 5) If you have such damning information why would you keep it secret? ]

      [ 6) Will you name the author of this 'report'? ]

      [ 7) Who is providing the ' credible interpretation'? ]

      [ 8) How many cycles of 'spelling/grammar' checking have you had to go thru correct this 'report' and will you provide the raw report so corrections can be verified to have not altered the original info? ]

      • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

        Limiting the scope of disseminating the derogatory "info" to only "interested" parties, protects the accuser from defamation action by the accused, so as not to publish to persons beyond whom the accused would reasonably believe would be interested in the dispute (charges).

        • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

          But, unfortunately, it has already been published (or worse), here. We all saw what was stated as fact and the accompanying activities/agenda.

          Tsk. Tsk.

          I don't care what the "investigation" reveals… I wouldn't want it in my possession.

      • 1) Legit is simple and should have been understandable from my prior comment. I have a folder in my Outlook named legit. emails from "real people" are placed there.
        2) I do, I do not have a list, or even a compiled contact list
        3) Because I don't want to send it to "new people" who may be posing and do something deleterious
        4)Because their is no compiled contact list
        5)I didn't say it was "damning information", shame on you
        6)Why would you want "the name", there are multiple contributors.
        7)Multiple contributors
        8) Are you just trying to throw shit around, like "Russia did it"? LOL
        Report is ready enough, I have been sending it.

    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

      Yeah, WIDE open.

      I got nothin'. You?

    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

      Are we in a mystical version of "The Spy who Shagged Me?" Emphasis on 'shagged'.

      Come on man, it is starting to sound like a used car lot.
      What is next? A SASE with a buck to cover shagaria?

      Damn, I feel like I'm on a dirtbike in the OT park, can't find the trailer.

  • I have seen things, you people wouldn't believe….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoAzpa1x7jU

    Can AI have a soul? I doubt it, how about a con-science?

    • Is all our lamenting just tears in the rain?

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        It seems to be so. Artificial snakes are cheap, though

        • irhologram

          Uni, you were ruminating on moon/sun positioning. If you have access to Netflix, watch their original world's great photographers' series "Tales by Light," Episode 5, about 8 minutes in (and several other places, as well.). You'll find the example you were looking for. Although it depicts Georgia Island, Antarctica, is not on the "bottom," and phsysics regarding how Celestial bodies shadow one another shouldn't be affected.

  • HHD has a good point, always watch what is NOT SAID.

    If they has reported the dosimeter data from the Little Sunfish (how cute) they would have also admitted that most of the debris is not nuclear fuel.

    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

      I notice what is not being said.

      Leaves many questions…

      …Much room for speculation and wild, unsubstantiated rumors.

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      test . can i reply to stock>

    • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

      We can agree on that, their attempt at telling us rust/oxidization/melt residue shit is "lava-like" is bullshit, and considering their super advanced (probably multimillion dollar robot, which in terms of actual functionality is rendered obsolete, not only by radiation but like super simple ghetto mechanics), it is kinda odd that the wouldn't release the dosimeter readings (and who's to say those are accurate or representative, either?).

      Fuck that, they're lying, as usual.

      • And its bullshit for ENE to promote the idea that 6 feet of corium has been found.

        If they release the dosimetry, it would be obvious very little is corium.

        • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

          ENE isn't necessarily promoting that.

          It's showing you WHO's promoting that, use your discernment dude. Those aren't ENEnews' sentiments. Check however, which sites and so on it mentions, we know the message is bullshit, but then, maybe, just maybe, ENEnews kinda makes it obvious WHO actually promotes and posts those articles.

          Enenews gave you a nice collection of shit there, now…is ENEnews the shit part, or is the shit part, the 10 or so articles/organizations referenced?

          Come on…you can do it.

          • It's odd, a new "style"
            More articles linked than ever before….as if quantity give credence.

            And promoting something we know is wrong….6 feet of corium, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

            I laugh at those who laugh at my spidey sense.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    forbidden. I don't have permission to post on word press. This is a test

  • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

    "“The economic and societal factors of the population living in contaminated territories are not the same as the ones of the other parts of the country.”

    It even applies to antinuclear activists. Immediately after 311 the priority for the Fukushima activists was the evacuation of the Fukushima children whereas the priority for the other Japanese antinuclear activists was to keep all Japan’s nuke plants from being restarted.

    Sadly at national level the second priority prevailed over the first priority, and no measures were in the end taken to evacuate or to protect the Fukushima children from continuous radiation exposure nor from prolonged internal exposure thru local foods."

    https://nuclear-news.net/2017/07/25/ethical-foundations-of-radiological-protection/

  • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

    Ooh ooh, this is really relevant to the article. Oh my, haven't you heard, the supposed truth is untrue?

    "Japan’s industry minister says the government hopes to have a policy in place by around September on how to remove melted fuel from the No.3 reactor of the disabled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

    Hiroshige Seko told reporters on Tuesday that a robotic probe has confirmed lumps that could be fuel debris in the No.3 reactor, giving researchers valuable information.

    Seko said he hopes a policy on how to remove the debris can be formulated, based on an analysis and assessment of the probe’s findings."

    https://nuclear-news.net/2017/07/25/robotic-probe-has-confirmed-lumps-that-could-be-fuel-debris-in-the-no-3-reactor/

  • "We found the nuclear fuel" so it is safe to have the Olympics! We will remove it after the Olympics.

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