Marine Expert on MSNBC: Months of uncontrolled radioactive releases from Fukushima a problem for Pacific, radionuclides building up in food chain — Health threat to Americans not likely if leaks ended soon after 3/11 (VIDEO)

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Carl Safina’s Blog, June 9, 2012 (emphasis added): Bluefin Tuna Carrying Safe Fukushima Nuclear Radiation [...] Nicholas Fisher, in whose Stony Brook** lab much of the analyses were done, phoned to invite me to dinner with Dan Madigan, lead author of the published study, and Zofia Baumann [...] Dr. Fisher hit me with the findings and I said, “Holy shit.” He explained that the fish were quite safe to eat, and I said, “Holy shit.” [...] [Madigan] said he would expect that certain seabirds are also quickly spreading radiation across the ocean and I said, “Holy shit.” [...] we spent a lot of time talking about the ubiquity of background radiation (even bananas have “radiation”), about safe levels of radiation [...] We talked about migrations, about birds called sooty shearwaters and how they breed in New Zealand, fly past Japan, fly through Alaskan waters, come down the coast of California [...] leatherback turtles [...] migrate past Japan to feed in the jellyfish grounds off California and Oregon [...]

MSNBC, April 9, 2011 (emphasis added):

Carl Safina, Stony Brook University** adjunct professor in Marine Sciences and host of PBS series ‘Saving the Ocean with Carl Safina’: The amount of [Fukushima nuclear waste] that’s in the water right now, if there’s no more leaking, is not likely to be a health threat to Americans. [...]

Alex Witt, MSNBC: That’s what people say, ‘The Pacific Ocean will be able to absorb this, if you will, the churning whatever.’ To what extent? How much can the ocean take before it does become a problem? And might we get to that point?

Safina: Well if the release was continuous, like last year with the BP blowout for 4 months there was an uncontrolled release, if there’s an uncontrolled release of radioactive water for months, yes — it would be building up in the food chain. But the release was a pulse for a short amount of time [...] it will dissipate if the source remains stopped.

** The university “co-manages Brookhaven National Laboratory, joining an elite group of universities – including the University of California, University of Chicago, Cornell, MIT, and Princeton University – that run federal laboratories” (Source)

Today’s Wall St. Journal (1,061 days since Fukushima began leaking into Pacific): “[H]ighly contaminated water at the plant has been a problem since the March 2011 [...] meltdowns at three reactors [...] That has raised concerns of marine contamination in the ocean waters adjacent to the plant [...] the daily flow of contaminated water [is] 400 tons now.”

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54 comments to Marine Expert on MSNBC: Months of uncontrolled radioactive releases from Fukushima a problem for Pacific, radionuclides building up in food chain — Health threat to Americans not likely if leaks ended soon after 3/11 (VIDEO)

  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    So in other words…..in April of 2011 there might be a slight health risk to the USA from two weeks of leakage…we have 1050+ days of continual leaking…the message is clear…the Pacific and all who live in the Northern Hemisphere and soon the world are doomed.


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  • steveo77's pictureThe Excitement in the Early Day of Nuclear
    There is a series of 5 videos on YouTube, showing 2 test at Bikini Atoll which screwed up Bikini forever. But the thing to note, is the pride, the intense documentation of every aspect of the preparation and placement of ships. Also noted is the destruction and partial torturous damages to many farm animals that were placed on the ships.

    Some animals were shaven to get a more realistic effect of the radiation on human skin.

    If you listen to the video's you will see how "impressed" we are with ourselves, no one ever questioning the long term effects or implications. Only the "need" to assess the damages caused by these bombs (number 4 and 5 ever blown up), and to get ready for the "nuclear age".

    I have watched other nuclear detonations, and in all cases, the explosion and mushroom cloud/plume are described as "beautiful". What the heck are they thinking? Beautiful?

    They recognize the danger of the radiation as a destructive force, and then they dismiss any further danger by stating that once the plume is sufficiently diluted, there is no need to worry or track it any further. In these cases, they are talking about 45 minutes.

    And so it begins! The Ego and Lies are coming right out of the gate.

    Watch the videos below and if you need more, there is also a link to 125 videos on nuclear explosions

    http://nukeprofessional.blogspot


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  • Ontological Ontological

    I figured a minimum of 202 Olympic sized pools of screaming "hot" water as of the ides of March 2014, will have escaped into the sea.
    Absorbed is NOT another word for disappeared!


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  • w

    If the public were told that >400 tons of feces and garbage r leaking into the ocean everyday from a sewage plant the public would be up in arms against this spill, and mainstream media would be all over it like shit on shingles.


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  • NoFixedID

    Tepco has admitted that it does not have the technology to empty the spent fuel pools of reactors 1, 2 and 3, which have no containment. There is zero chance that such technology will be developed before a major earthquake topples at least one of the pools and releases another vast radioactive plume. The plant is releasing hundreds of tonnes of radioactive water daily into the ocean, and Tepco will soon start dumping its half-million-tonne stockpile of contaminated water. The plant is collapsing and the three molten cores are already, to all intents, submerged in the ocean. To suggest that ‘the release was a pulse for a short amount of time’ is either the height of ignorance or deliberate misinformation.


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  • rogerthat

    these people are pitiful. i do hope someone collects the quotes of all these alleged scientists and experts for posterity, and publishes them in book form. thousands of years of scientific progress, and this is where we are, in due course we will be told that the earth is flat, and be careful not to sail off the edge.


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    • Ontological Ontological

      This is sorta on topic, false sense of self knowledge, like the "Doctor" who insisted Brady would sweep the super bowl. When in reality neither did Manning.

      http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2014-02-01/detroit-doctor-thinks-tom-brady-is-winning-super-bowl-xlviii


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      • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

        @Ontological; The StuporBowl outcome may well have been influenced by the ongoing,cumulative irradiation of our world(?)! Isn't Denver one of the places that ALWAYS has higher levels of so-called "background radiation" as well as or IS the 311 (airborne)plume(s) being "PARTICuLarlEy" present constantly for those in higher elevations & for those who partake in outdoor activities that puts them in contact with the ground??!! Just one of many messed-up thoughts to cross my mind thanks to radiation poisoning every aspect of life these post-311 days… :(


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        • Ontological Ontological

          Radiation dementia does happen after long termed exposure. The background is higher in Denver, and more on top of that doesn't help. Cesium will effect the hearts of those who play hard, and get winded. Many sudden teen and young adult deaths are due to this. What I had pointed out in that video was that a doctor that was interviewed was convinced <Brady> would play. And it was actually Manning playing. My point was how stupid people can be when they believe they are right.


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  • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

    …the release was a pulse for a short amount of time…
    … if the release was continuous…

    WTF!!??

    Fuku has been leaking non-stop since just after 3-11-11

    This sounds too much like a SNL script!

    The sobering thing for me here is just how clear it is that titles
    behind names have no meaning any more in this mess.

    I am not one to use black and white thinking, yet there seems no other choice here.

    Safina is horribly ignorant of the actual situation or he is simply a pathological liar.


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  • YukonRadiation YukonRadiation

    We keep hearing about the release of 300 or 400 tons of water and i remember many moons ago that it was much more ? i believe they said to times by 10 ? so the one thing you never hear any body ask is what about the release of the Corium into ground water/seawater/ground ? so what where and when are we going to add this into the mix or have i missed some thing and need to catch up? anybody tell me about this , maybe help me catch up?


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    • We Not They Finally

      It's still way more. It will probably always be way more. You're probably as "caught up" as the rest of us. Realizing it's all a pack of under-estimates and lies is the starting point. Though posters here give GREAT links to solid info.


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    • Radio Radio

      Good point YukonRadiation. There is about 300 to 400 tons of water that runs under the facility since it was built. That is the reason for those concrete channels or ditches. That's the water that comes off the hill behind the site. That is NOT factored in by TEPCo and most people believe that it is very likely coming into contact with the coriums as it heads out to sea. The 400 tons a day that TEPCo is talking about is from the leaking tanks holding contaminated water, which is also percolating into the ground and mixing with the groundwater flowing from down the hill under the soil. So, that makes 600 to 800 tons of water a day of various levels of contamination. Also, Arnie Gundersen talked about the hill collecting radiation and the rainwater leeching that down into the groundwater about the facility, then passing back underneath the reactors.

      These scientists are woeful, truly woeful. It ought to be illegal to remain that ignorant and still be a public health spokesperson. It certainly is immoral.


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  • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

    The money line from page 2 of Dave Madigan's study: "Thus, even though 2011 [Pacific Blue Fin Tuna ("PBFT")] showed a ten-fold increase in radiocesium concentrations, Cs-134 and Cs-137 would still likely provide low doses of radioactivity relative to. . . "

    The data reveals that PBFT went from 0.0 Bq/kg Cs-134 and 1.4 Bq/kg Cs-137 in 2008 to 4.0 Bq/kg CS-134 and 6.3 Bq/kg Cs-137 in 2011.

    And, who knows where it is in 2014, particularly if contamination has been ongoing.

    Here's the link to the study:

    http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/05/22/1204859109.full.pdf+html?sid=6c35039b-0836-428c-8b97-4527c6bfd3f5


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  • clamshellernh clamshellernh

    http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/index.php?call=search&key=Fukushima

    This is a listing of free shorts and docs regarding fuku
    There is an older one 5 minutes on the radioactive waste approaching the Americas so right on topic
    Figured I'd send it over when I seen how many fuku related ones existed on this site anyways a lot of you tube ones though
    Some I know are well known to us , so for those new this helps in catching up welcome

    Sent from my F-iPad


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  • We Not They Finally

    Safina: No problem "if the source remain stopped"? It was NEVER stopped! Is this man a real genuine idiot or is he just paid to act like one?

    And what about CONSCIENCE? Is there some dollar amount that negates that?


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    • Radio Radio

      WNTF, actually many of these scientists never leave the building. They only know what someone tells them. Their curiosity is nearly dead. If it doesn't pay, it doesn't get explored. It was beachcombers who found all the dead and dying carcasses, found the radiation on the California beaches, not scientists, or at least not these so-called scientists. These are the career folks who do profit science for corporations and the military, not for public health, yet, they are the ones being asked the questions because the media wants to take as many shortcuts as these folks. The media has a short list of names and that is who they call. Done.

      There are good, smart scientists who are deeply concerned and trying to raise the alarm, but, they don't get asked by the media very often probably because they aren't behind a desk but instead are out in the field taking a look-see for themselves. They are working. Scientists like those in this interview are being experts and are located right by the phone only too happy to help. Every interview is that much more government and corporate funding for their pet projects.


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  • Socrates

    "If is stopped after 3-11…" whether San Diego or elsewhere:

    Well, it obviously did not. So studies need to assume three scenarios.

    The worst case would be collapse of spent fuel pools, etc. and three China syndromes. Strontium-90 flowing into the ocean for 150 years. Here we would expect extensive contamination with earthquakes and typhoons. Tokyo and the West Coast would have to be evacuated. San Diego is toast.

    Since man is on the top of the food chain with 18,000 species now threatened with extinction, and shorter winters and longer summers, wheat, rice and corn crops would lack water, fish populations would crash. Man would have all that radiation from Fukushima… wars would break out over water.

    Better scenario would be entombment by sarcophagus, borate, concrete, etc. Go in there about 100 years from now. Still evacuate Tokyo because precipitation causes lakes and rivers to collect and contaminate groundwater. Food web in Pacific damaged for several hundred years.

    Best case scenario would be as in better case, but close all nuke ants down and figure out how to deal with the nuclear waste mess, control population, consume way less. Learn to live in peace.

    Since mankind can do star wars but no live in peace, nuclear whatever will be our undoing. Handwriting has been on the wall for a long time.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "if there’s no more leaking"..
    What??

    TEPCO admits to leaking contaminated water into sea
    July 27 2013

    http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/energy-and-environment/tepco-admits-to-leaking-contaminated-water-into-sea/article4956449.ece

    The admission is already out there.

    Carl Safina

    https://journalism.cc.stonybrook.edu/?page_id=53

    Stonybrook..again.


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  • clamshellernh clamshellernh

    http://www.pdamerica.org/component/k2/item/1997-tpp-media-march-twitter-storm

    TPP Media March Twitter Storm

    Please participate if you twitter it starts right now
    And it's on topic as far as seeing the impact it has for us to organize and do the same
    This has to do with TPP . And it's all related , because no nukes is big coal and pipelines gotta go twitter ……
    Right now !


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  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    Tchernobyl: Second Explosion 'Which Would Have Wiped Out Half Of Europe' Was Feared, Fought, KEPT SECRET

    http://femalefaust.blogspot.com/

    lengthy and valuable video


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  • earthsmith

    Hmmm..that is going to be some interesting "elite" math they are going to have to come up with for that past statement.
    Dilution+propaganda/pulse-data>sum of all life = profit


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  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    Remarkably at Tchernobyl it was several days before the city was evacuated. Even the persons who worked at the plant seemed to be uninformed as to what ought to be done. How powerful must the desire have been to see radioactivity as benign. This is remarkable as even as far back as the 1950's in at least some American high schools we were taught radiation was harmful. At least in the primary school in Pripyat the children were given iodine tablets. Would that happen in the USA if a reactor exploded? I do not know. For all their brilliance humans can be very obtuse. The Russians were simply not prepared for a nuclear disaster of this proportion. Evidently the propaganda of the nuclear industry caused the Japanese to be also unprepared. I have no confidence the USA would do any better. In fact with the current Admin. perhaps worse. Obviously every reactor in the nation should be prepared for a terrible event. Even if it means inspiring people around the reactor with panic and alarm. But it is also obvious why they do not prepare. People might want an end to this lucrative business. I believe we can say with certainty that during the next few decades there will be several nuclear accidents of great proportion in the USA as the aging reactors begin to fail. And since coal is bad,right?, more reactors and not necessarily fail proof will be built so that this danger will never go away but loom on the horizon indefinitely so that men can get rich. Life's purpose?


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  • weegokiburi weegokiburi

    Carl Safina, Stony Brook University** adjunct professor in Marine Sciences and host of PBS series ‘Saving the Ocean with Carl Safina’: The amount of [Fukushima nuclear waste] that’s in the water right now, if there’s no more leaking, is not likely to be a health threat

    Safina: Well if the release was continuous, like last year with the BP blowout for 4 months there was an uncontrolled release, if there’s an uncontrolled release of radioactive water for months, yes — it would be building up in the food chain. But the release was a pulse for a short amount of time [...] it will dissipate if the source remains stopped.

    It hasn't stopped yet nor will it any time soon
    This link shows a continuous stream of water from reactor
    http://photo.tepco.co.jp/date/2014/201401-j/140118-01j.html

    Click the animation
    Plenty more like this


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  • weegokiburi weegokiburi

    From reactor 3 jan 18 2014

    Why does this person use the conditional 'if'


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    • Radio Radio

      weegokiburi, good catch. This person hasn't done their homework yet thought to speak publicly about something they are ill-informed about, so perhaps those "ifs" come in handy when someone mentions that reactors or tanks, or groundwater, or some such radioactive source, and sometimes all three at once, have been leaking for 3 years. The pulse event is probably the air plume, not the ocean leak. Many so called scientists talking about the Fukushima pulse are referring to this plume from the explosions and think that is the only leak. They are still using 3 year old information and are unaware of the ocean leaks. I kid you not. I can't fathom what else he might be referring to.


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  • Radio Radio

    Maybe someone can chime in here – isn't the "pulse" the radioactive air plume from the explosions? I think Safina may be referring to this. I remember reading an article not long ago here from other scientist saying why everything is okay because it was a one time "pulse event" that hasn't re-ocurred. It is very possible that these people are not aware of the ocean leaks since PM Abe publicly denied them and they have made no effort to become better informed.


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    • weegokiburi weegokiburi

      He clearly refers to water leakage so not the initial atmospheric plume.

      Safina: Well if the release was continuous, like last year with the BP blowout for 4 months there was an uncontrolled release, if there’s an uncontrolled release of radioactive water for months, yes — it would be building up in the food chain. But the release was a pulse for a short amount of time [...] it will dissipate if the source remains stopped.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    I have no clue what these people are talking about with the term pulse, but the entire Earth pulsates on a daily basis and all the energy released/sitting/burning and located at Fukushima in those cores is now pulsating on a daily basis and will for an eternity.. :( The Earth actually breaths in and out…


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  • humptydumpty humptydumpty

    "Holy Shit" some folks will say after having eaten Pacific seafood and later seeing blood in their stools. Unfortunately, the endlessly spewed contamination is going beyond the Pacific Ocean, and the airborne contamination is reaching far-flung land masses.

    It's long overdue the scientific community learned the basics of internal vs. external radiation exposure, so they will stop spreading misinformation by equating the two and thus minimizing the danger/detriment of bio-accumulation. Shameful.


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  • humptydumpty humptydumpty

    Elsewhere in the news: "Cancer cases are expected to surge 57% worldwide in the next 20 years, an imminent "human disaster" that will require a renewed focus on prevention to combat, according to the World Health Organization."

    "The World Cancer Report, produced by the WHO's specialized cancer agency and released on World Cancer Day, predicts new cancer cases will rise from an estimated 14 million annually in 2012 to 22 million within two decades. Over the same period, cancer deaths are predicted to rise from 8.2 million a year to 13 million."

    You can buy it here for $35, but why the hell isn't it available for free? –
    http://apps.who.int/bookorders/anglais/detart1.jsp?codlan=1&codcol=80&codcch=275

    If I were making the prediction, I would expect the number to increase a lot more than that. The WHO blames this mainly on an aging population and poor lifestyle choices, if you can believe that.

    (Reuters) – People in the area worst affected by Japan's Fukushima nuclear accident two years ago have a slightly higher risk of developing certain cancers, the World Health Organization said on Thursday.

    THAT'S ALL??? Whew, I feel so relieved! */snark


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    :) Everybody is going to have cancer, 100% and soon..its coming and all one has to do is follow the ongoing coming Nuclear Contamination storm!

    Many more will blow up and many, many millions will die from this Nuclear Radiation Contamination. :(


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  • Cisco Cisco

    What planet do you live on? Carl Safina said, "If there’s an uncontrolled release of radioactive water for months, yes — it would be building up in the food chain. But the release was a pulse for a short amount of time [...] it will dissipate if the source remains stopped."

    Learn this Carl…150 cubic miles* of highly radioactive water (multiple billions of Becquerels per cubic meter) into the Pacific in 3 years (2011-2014). *50 cubic miles per year, is what's been pouring into the Pacific according to Gordon Edwards of the Canadian Coalition for Nuclear Responsibility

    3 years from now, the radioactive plume will be 300 cubic miles. If you think that can be wished away by "dilution", then you are as brain dead as Carl boy and the rest of the psychopath shill scientists.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8gd1OU4X9g at 41.45 minutes into the video.

    Calculations/estimates by Gordon Edwards, PhD President & Co-founder, Canadian Coalition for Nuclear Responsibility (CCNR) http://www.ccnr.org
    Gordon Edwards bio at: http://akiomatsumura.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/bio-notes_11_08.pdf


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Let them know, we (none of us), live on the surface of the sun! :)


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  • Nick

    Wear Pink.

    Ahhhh. I feel so much better knowing I bought into one of the biggest cons of our era.

    Fukushima was a horror story from the millisecond that the earthquake shattered the plumbing and severed the compressed airlines that were supposed to control the valves for coolant.

    The moment that the engineers realized Fukushima was FUBAR must have been an awful moment in the history of planet earth, for at that point all of our futures were permanently ripped away from us all.


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  • Fukushima’s Owner Adds Insult to Injury – Claims Radioactive Fallout Isn’t Theirs
    By John LaForge
    Global Research, January 17, 2012
    Truthout 16 February 2012
    Region: Asia
    Theme: Environment
    Fukushima's Owner Adds Insult to Injury – Claims Radioactive Fallout Isn't Theirs

    In the amoral milieu of the corporate bottom line, you can’t blame Tokyo Electric Power Co. for trying.

    Tepco owns the six-reactor Fukushima complex that was wrecked by Japan’s March 11 earthquake and smashed by the resulting tsunami. It faces more than $350 billion in compensation and clean-up costs, as well as likely prosecution for withholding crucial information that may have prevented some radiation exposures and for operating the giant station after being warned about the inadequacy of its protections against disasters.

    So, when the company was hauled into Tokyo District Court October 31 by the Sunfield Golf Club, which was demanding decontamination of the golf course, Tepco lawyers tried something novel. They claimed the company isn’t liable because it no longer “owned” the radioactive poisons that were spewed from its destroyed reactors.

    “Radioactive materials that scattered and fell from the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant belong to individual landowners there, not Tepco,” the company said. This stunned the court, the plaintiffs and the press.

    a blast from the past for ya all.


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