Expert: Salt dome may be ‘moving’ — We’ll know what’s happening after imaging by giant sinkhole (VIDEO)

Published: January 31st, 2013 at 12:41 pm ET
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Title: Texas Brine Updates Bayou Corne Residents 01/30/2013 Part 4
Source: rainbeaudais
Date: Jan. 30, 2013

At 13:30 in

Geophysical Consultant Kevin Hill: Our objectives are to image the sinkhole.

How big is it really than what we measured just on the surface and with sonar?

How big is it affecting underneath the ground?

What has it interrupted below the ground that we can’t see yet?

We want to see the interface of the salt and the sediments, those were those black and white layers, because that tells us where the salt face is.

If that salt dome is moving, we have the before picture, and we have the after picture. So we’ll know what’s happening.

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Published: January 31st, 2013 at 12:41 pm ET
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25 comments to Expert: Salt dome may be ‘moving’ — We’ll know what’s happening after imaging by giant sinkhole (VIDEO)

  • Flapdoodle Flapdoodle

    Moving? Away from Fukushima? Just what is the mechanism that moves a salt dome?


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    • Anthony Anthony

      Insanity. Both situations are man-made.


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      • Anthony Anthony

        Nature always has to clean up the mess.


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      • ftlt

        Both are man made???

        The sinkhole may have occured anyway…

        The placement of gas and drilling wastes in a salt dome for storage is far from the hubris of hyper-toxic nature of nuclear power anywhere… They just are not in the same ballpark by many powers of 10 IMO

        The worst case of these 2 events is so lopsided… We have already come close to it in Fukushima… It has yet to arrive in LA and it may not happen at all..

        Slowdown a bit..


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        • Anthony Anthony

          I guess we both have our perceptions. Sure the sinkhole might have happened there, all the more reason for MAN to have not stored untold amounts of gasses in the neighborhood perhaps? I'm also not sure what you mean about slowdown? I am the last person to wish for any advancement in these directions.

          It is you who has turned what I said into something more. I stand by my original statements.


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          • Anthony Anthony

            In fact both situations share in common that men underestimated the stability of the geological realities present yet required to support their energy oriented endeavors. Both *projects* ultimately failed, causing serious local contamination and potential financial and health losses at least for the local residents, who were by and large unaware of the risks the companies had placed their neighborhoods in.

            That is a lot more like I see things.


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        • Thad

          ftlt
          "Both are man made???" the comment was not about magnatude which is "worse" but that both were results of man's actions. Dead is dead, and to the dead it does not matter if he is the only one or one of many…
          "The sinkhole may have occured anyway…" what other salt dome has collapsed without the involvement of man…?
          And there is no "drilling wastes" stored in Louisiana salt domes– the storage space is too valuable to be filled with drlg waste and become not reuseable.


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          • FREEDOMROX

            I agree with you Thad, both are man amde. Now I disagree with NORM being injected into the caverns, because I have the proof, they have been doing so in 3 caverns since 1994, and was dug up by Paveway.

            Whether Oxy 3 did or not is up for debate, but it is untrue to state there are no wastes in the caverns, because there is. I believe you were actually a part of that thread and know better. The failed Gulf South cavern was also re-purposed to handle sludge after it screwed up in 2003.

            Not being argumentative, just correcting erroneous information.


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            • Thad

              Did not consider 20 ft3 NORM contaminated pipescale as being "drilling waste". NORM is not derrived from drilling but from production.
              I need to look at Gulf South Cavern again, knew of repurpose but read somewhere they had second thoughts and never used.


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              • PavewayIII PavewayIII

                They called it something like insoluble solution mining precipitates.

                Anhydrites are mentioned that they fall out of the solution inside the cavern when mining

                Sand is mentioned as a contaminant

                For the external filtering and reinjection, I think they only talk about calcium and magnesium salt precipitates.

                The reinjection slurry tank looks to have a grate for trucks to dump filter sludge. I guess all of that just settles to the bottom like the anhydrite.

                I'm kind of wondering how that toxic brew reacts with the cavern's salt floor over time. Maybe it's eating holes through it.

                Cutting and dropping 150,000 lbs of production string and having it slam into the bottom can't help, either. At some point, you exit the Louann Salt and you're in the high-pressure zone.

                That's 3000psi, natural-gas saturated brine at 150F or so. If that found it's way into the bottom of a cavern, it would also find it's way through the top. That would be a hundred foot high scalding-hot brine guyser violently releasing the corked-up methane. It may continue for two minutes, or two months. Flip a coin.


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                • FREEDOMROX

                  I could not have stated it better Paveway. You may be interested also in the fact that new evidence has been uncovered about Hooker #8, (Oxy #3) from 1997.

                  LOUISIANA SINKHOLE AND EVEN MORE PROOF LDNR AND TEXAS BRINE KNEW OXY 3 COULD FAIL IN 2010
                  http://freedomrox.wordpress.com/2013/01/20/louisiana-sinkhole-and-proof-ldnr-and-texas-brine-knew-oxy-3-could-fail-in-2010/


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                • Thad

                  PavewayIII
                  "toxic brew reacts with the cavern's salt floor over time. Maybe it's eating holes through it."
                  What toxic brew? the chemical compounds being put back are FROM the salt. As benign going back in as they were before when in the salt.
                  LouAnn salt bed? run 20,000-35,000 ft-"Cutting and dropping 150,000 lbs of production string and having it slam into the bottom–" Bottom of the cavern are ~5,500' so impact is on a salt bed 16,000 to 31,000 ft thick– The producting string is not falling through air but brine the bouyance factor is -1.3 impact is less that 80% of being droppen in air..
                  "3,000psi, natural-gas saturated brine at 150F" Not brine — salt as in solid salt- 3,000 PSI– normal overburden pressure of salt alone @ 20,000 ft ~19,000 psi


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I just googled.."naturally occurring salt dome collapse"
    Nothing.

    http://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=naturally+occurring+salt+dome+collapse&oq=naturally+occurring+salt+dome+coll&gs_l=hp.1.0.33i21.1254.15798.0.20710.34.24.0.10.10.0.315.4072.0j23j0j1.24.0.les%3B..0.0…1c.1.CZPj1qeWFt0&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41642243,d.aWM&fp=a8a9febf8621cbe9&biw=988&bih=465


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  • irhologram

    Rock and roll. This is the worst seismic activity I've seen at Bayiu Corn and Bella Rose locations yet. It is way off the charts… Many areas areas along the New Madrid, Nd even Disney world in FL are pretty frighten lay active today. Slow down? Yeah…well, YOU make it slow down. yOU make the seismic activity STOP building by the day.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    In the formation of salt domes…the salt layer pushes up through the other geological layers.
    The salt dome will continue to collapse.There is no impetus for it to stop.
    The adjacent geological layers will also be affected at some point…IMHO.


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    • PavewayIII PavewayIII

      The salt dome itself isn't going to collapse, HOTR. It's a living, growing thing. It is an extension of the 200 million year old Louann Salt Layer that underlies the entire gulf coast. The Napoleonville Salt Dome itself may have been growing for a million years. They're pretty durable. Man just made it ugly for the brief time they've infected the earth. Over geologic time spans, it will wipe out any evidence of the naked ape's current vandalism.

      Look at the diagram on Page 9 of this .pdf and look at the Boggy Creek Dome – 'H' – called a diapir here. They haven't collapsed, melted or dissolved in the last few million years of damage.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Not today or tomorrow..the presence of oil changes everything..
    It's portion is already moving..
    What about 10 years from now..100?


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    What about the pressure from the methane and the tremors?
    It may not collapse to the bottom ..but to some depth..it's toast.


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  • amberlight amberlight

    rainbeaudais, how did you restrain yourself from flinging your camera straight at this joker's head!? He starts off by comparing the salt dome to a cake with a prize in it, then likens the imaging to your family photo album—here's you as a baby and now here you are all grown up, duh!—as if the audience is a pack of lobotomized idiots. Next he moves on to the metaphor of an ultrasound image, joking about how if it indicates a girl baby you'll get upset. Nobody laughed. At that point a lynch mob should have been gathering.

    He mentions that in two months all the proposed imaging will be completed. They'll be able to see TWO MONTHS from today what condition things are in RIGHT NOW. Oh hey, sure, nothing catastrophic will happen in the next two months, so y'all just go home and invite the neighbors over for a BBQ. Methane gives your grilled chicken that special down home flavor…


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  • FREEDOMROX

    Except that they will be actively trying to get the seismic events started up again, amberlight. This next one is going to be a doozy. At least Mr. Hill warned them this time. From the 7th to the 18th, while watching seismic activity go off the charts they just kept on 'thumping', then on the 19th, finished it off with the T-Rex. Not a word from anyone, and no warnings of the impending 'belch' or the massive amount of gas that came from Lake FUBAR!


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