Experts particularly concerned about weight of fuel in No. 4 pool in building with possible quake damage — Destruction blamed on Reactor No. 3 explosion

Published: February 20th, 2012 at 12:26 pm ET
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Title: Another Look at the Inside of Tepco’s Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant
Source: WSJ
Date: Feb 20, 2012

Reactor No. 4 appeared badly damaged but Tepco officials blamed that on the force of the explosion at No. 3.

A dozen or so workers could be seen on the roof of that building. That’s near the location of the reactor’s spent-fuel pool – the pool of water where nuclear fuel rods are stored when they’re not active in the reactor.

Since unit 4 had been undergoing major maintenance at the time of the disaster, all the reactor’s fuel rods were in the pool for storage, making it a particular concern for experts worried about the weight of the fuel in a building that may have been damaged by the magnitude 9 earthquake last March.

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192 comments to Experts particularly concerned about weight of fuel in No. 4 pool in building with possible quake damage — Destruction blamed on Reactor No. 3 explosion

  • Jebus Jebus

    In 1987, REM came out with End Of The World

    Look at the lyrics as performed by Great Big Sea

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K71UbC1EaSE


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  • In response to pro-nuke Mike at Huffpost—-
    Ill put this at Da Pimp for safe storage.

    Mike, you know those "reactor vessels" seem so "secure" heavy steel, protecting the dangerous nuclear process. Makes the public feel OK that it is locked inside a heavy steel jar….but the weird part is that they have to put like 100 holes into the reactor vessel, its like why even bother to make it thick if you are going to put all those holes in it anyway….

    And the way to "control"
    the reaction is through lots of holes right in the bottom. Sure this isn't preferred, just that nuke fuels have limited handling capability, so they load in from the top, and the control rods which are as long as the fuel rods, are pushed in from the bottom.

    Surely not a great design, but we are limited by reality, I just don't like all those holes. That is where the corium escapes most easy in most meltdowns.

    I just don't like that corium stuff, i hear its like those spent rods…if you are close enough to look at it, you die.

    I just don't like all those holes, I don't feel like that stuff is really in a secure jar, way too many holes.


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    yes building 7 is important.

    I am not so sure about Dr. Judy Wood, I have to admit (to be honest, she just 'rubbed me the wrong way' as they say, from the start – I never really liked her, warmed up to her) – but I really cannot say for sure. I have tended to favor the A&E 9/11 theory. – thermite and controlled demo. It sure LOOKS like that – the videos.

    Basically we know all these things were inside jobs, false flag attacks perpetrated by 'our' government, on that we agree.

    I will check out your links.

    Right away I know OKC was, and 9/11 too. (historically, most 'terrorist attacks' are in fact false flag attacks actually perpetrated by the govt. of the country attacked, to provide a plausible excuse to attack the ones blamed for the false flag event.)

    I tend to agree with Leuren Moret about the Fukushima quake having been triggered by HAARP. Jeff Rense gets a bit rabid at that suggestion for some reason.

    Anyway it is easy to get caught in quarrels and we should try to find points of agreement, we in the patriot and freedom movement.

    but when you get into it, you start getting so curious to understand some of this stuff, figure it out.

    Seems on one level sort of decadent, a kind of fiddling while Rome burns, getting so caught up in figuring it all out like it was some very good detective or spy story — almost forgetting that this one is for real and for keeps.


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      • byron byron

        Anyone notice the 11? 9-11 and 3-11? Anyway, just a quick aside on 9-11, clearly explosives on 1 and 2. Said it the morning as it happened. Since when does a building "free fall" within its own footprint matching videos of various other demolitions?
        Then fires burning with intense heat for two weeks or so in the basements. Always assume governments are hiding things, that's why they exist, to protect the wealthy. To get back on topic, we've seen it repeatedly with the "info" releases from TEPCO/Japan as pointed out many times over the months–good grief now 11 months.


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Have you seen 9/11 Architects' and Engineers' reports on the WTC buildings? Am not sure if they did a report on B-7. The video where the reporter in Britain announced WTC 7 "collapsed" 20 minutes before it actually came down is pretty funny, too!

      I could swear I heard Peter Jennings (or Dan Rather?) state they were going "to pull Building 7."

      The network must have been ordered to destroy that footage/digital recording, because now it is nowhere to be found.

      However, we do know Larry Silverstein candidly discussed plans to "pull it" (demolition term). Question is, how'd ya manage to convince them to pay you the insurance money, huh Larry? Especially since you admitted "we decided to pull."

      On many levels, 9/11 set the precedent for a lot of the B.S. happening today — both in the U.S. and abroad.

      The biggest ripoff and cover up ever perpetrated on citizens of the world, EVER.


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      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Oh, sorry Bleep. You did mention A&E. Sounds plausible to me! Especially after you hear people talking about body parts being dumped in the Freshkill landsite. No kidding, that's actually the name of the site where 9/11 victims' remains were unceremoniously dumped, i.e., desecrated remains.


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  • HoTaters HoTaters

    If you understand what was IN building 7, you can understand why "they" were anxious to destroy it. "They" had the perfect excuse to do it.


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    Yes I tend to agree with A&E 9/11 Truth and their theories of nano-thermite and explosives being used in controlled demolitions. I am unconvinced about Judy Wood's DEW theory. Re this Hutchison effect, I have read that the guy faked some of his demos. I know that Judy Wood has been less than honest in some of her work and statements. I have wondered if she is a 'spoiler.' (divide and conquer the 9/11 Truth movement.) (But I am not a deep student of this controversy.)

    Main thing is, we must not let such controversies 'divide and conquer' us – stick with our points of agreement – that 9/11 was an inside job. There is SO much info on that.


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    yes HoTaters, I forget what was in Bldg 7 but recall that there was some stuff they were happy to have destroyed. What was it?

    There was also stuff in the OKC Bldg that they were glad to have destroyed.

    Wasn't it Silverstein himself who actually said, on video, of Bldg. 7 that 'we decided to pull it?'

    And Silverstein made out like a bandit on insurance – and he had just changed his policy less than a month before 9/11.

    Also Marvin Bush was in charge of security, wasn't he, for the towers?

    The buildings were such classic controlled demolitions that I don't see how anyone could deny it. Especially Bldg. 7 which suffered hardly any damage.

    The Bush clan goes back a ways. I am reading a bit in this book, THE NUCLEAR BARONS and Vannevar Bush (electrical engineer) is mentioned in it. (President of the Carnegie Institute and FDR's chief science adviser).


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    • James2

      Hey Bleep – what does any of this have do dow with FUKU?

      Perhaps you'd like to comment on the #4 fuel pool. Do you think it burned a few weeks ago? or is it sitting precariously ready to fall over and wipe out Tokyo?


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      • Arizonan Arizonan

        Thanks James. I'd rather read data about Fukushima here, and discussions of that data, rather than wade through unsubstantiated conspiracy/numerology theories.
        [Sigh]


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  • ageezerofgiza

    I am trying to reply to hbjon of Feb 21, 2012 at 2.06 am, but the system does not show me a reply facility.

    1. I don't understand the relevance of all the elements you mention, but thanks for trying.

    2. There might be difference between a conventional rod [mostly uranium] and mox rod [with pu]. Perhaps the pu is the one that burns.
    Consider it my work-in-progress, more investigation needed. But now no time until weekend.


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    • hbjon hbjon

      I will try anything once. Once in a while I say something smart. Completely by accident of course. Like an infinity monkeys in front of an infinity typewriters. LOL. Remember that one?


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    HoTaters,

    There have been so many rip-offs! The Civil War, WW I, WW II, the Korean War, the Viet Nam War … o and the Great Depression – these were all 'rip-offs' of a kind. (Basically, created/fomented for reasons of profit and empire, and NOT in the interests of the people of this country – in fact, have destroyed the country, bit by bit.) We should never have been in any of the wars, and the Great Depression was created by the Federal Reserve. Oh, the Fed, another HUGE (on-going) rip off. The income tax. On and on it goes.

    The nuclear barons are but another in a long line of rip-off/scam artists, or as I call them, gangstas in pinstripe suits, sucking the people of this country dry, 'destroying our substance'.

    (Of course this pillage is not limited to the USA. It goes on basically world wide. Africa has been/is being just cannibalized. Right now, Europe is being sucked dry – the people, that is.

    If people do not become aware of this reality, it is not going to stop. Re the Third World, CONFESSIONS OF AN ECONOMIC HIT MAN is a good book to read – economic exploitation and 'capture' under the guise of 'helping.'


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  • tokyota

    It is interesting how much the link below stirred up the discussion and got buried.

    Therefore this info again about the condition of #4 after #3 exploded:

    http://vansantos.com/2011/03/15/digitalglobes-satellite-imagery-of-fukushima-japan-nuclear-reactors/


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    • James2

      That's intentional by the shills. They take the thread off-topic whenever they don't want something read. If they are successful they can get non-shills interested in their off-topic excursion. If not – they'll just comment among each other until it's pretty well buried.

      Over time they've gotten to become a little more subtle in the tactic – but it's a good way to determine who the shills are on the site.

      Anyone that's been here awhile knows the tactic. Of course they really want to keep any new folks logging on from figuring it out.


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    • James2

      Just keep an eye on those who will keep the thread going on stupid conspiracy theories, Stupid HAARP, Stupid Suxnet or whatever and all that stuff – that kind of conversation on Enenews is intended to do two things: 1. distract everyone's attention from real news about Fukushima and 2. Overall brand Enenews as a "wacko conspiracy" site – that can be taken down by the gov when they want.

      It really behooves the non-shills here to call the shills out when they do this – they've shut down almost all the other sites with these tactics, but haven't gotten enenews yet.


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    • Arizonan Arizonan

      It appears from these photos that #4 was unaffected by the explosion at #3.


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      • James2

        Yes, The explosion of #3 on March 14th didn't affect #4 outwardly much. There were a few places where it has some minor debris damage, but very small.

        There was a series of explosions and "fires" on March 15th that have never had video released. That's what destroyed #4.

        The official logs say they were so busy working on #3 (and they actually abandoned the plant for awhile after #3) that they let #4 get out of control and explode.


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      Hi tokyota, thanks for sharing that link! I hadn't seen it before!


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  • retali8 retali8

    yeah lets not discuss HAARP, this is about fukushima, and the problems its caused the world,, unstoppable force that has been totally ignored by all forms of government and MSM,, total disgrace…


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      Hi retali, totally agree. I'm fed up beyond words with the conspiracy stuff. I asked Admin the other day (after the whole earthquake thread was ruined, which could've been extremely interesting otherwise) if there was a way to restrict that issue from the board.
      I don't mind at all if someone posts one or two questions in that regard (been off-topic myself a thousand times and more), but if it buries the whole on-topic discussion it's really annoying.

      *peace


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      • ruth

        Totally agree! We tend to be too forgiving of the shills. Report them sooner. They are wasting our time and making site visitors think Enenews has nothing of value to add to the serious topic before us.


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  • Arizonan Arizonan

    I have been confused about reactor #4 for a long time, and I have been a DAILY reader here since March 2011. I looked back through the enenews archives, and I did web searches, and I am still finding very contradictory information about what happened at reactor 4. [This is aside from the controversy over exactly what happened at SFP4, which most appear to agree did run out of water in the first couple of days of the crisis, and possibly had another fire in Sept?] The usual photos of Daichi show the explosions at 1,2 and 3. However, #4 bldg definitely had an explosion as well, I just can't find the info on exactly when this happened. Also, the statement from TEPCO last June indicated that a meltdown/meltthrough had occurred at all four reactors, so perhaps not all of the fuel had been removed from 4? This image from March 16 shows the aftermath of an explosion at #4, but none at #2: http://news.nationalpost.com/photo_gallery/japan-earthquake-graphic-nuclear-reactor-status/
    There is no building around #4 in these March 15 photos.

    That graphic is very different from the photos taken earlier in the day of March 15, seen on the link above, reposted here:
    http://vansantos.com/2011/03/15/digitalglobes-satellite-imagery-of-fukushima-japan-nuclear-reactors/
    There is still a building around #4 in these photos on March 15.

    Yet the Guardian reported that a "third" explosion had happened at reactor 2 on March 15, yet both graphics above show building #2 intact, although most reports from that time talk about an explosion at #2 as well.

    I am still confused about the order of events, and the wiki timeline doesn't help. Are we actually talking about four explosions and four meltdowns between March 11-March 16? If anyone has more clarity than I on this issue, I would love to hear from you!


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    • Arizonan Arizonan

      Apparently the explosion in reactor 2 did not do any damage to the external structure and so is not visible on the photos, as discussed here: http://www.rense.com/general93/fuku.htm


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      • James2

        If you are a daily reader here you can understand exactly why it is confusing.

        It's confusing because revisionist history has begun.

        Here's what I remember

        March 11 – Earthquake and Tsunami – meltdowns in reactors apparently occurred very quickly
        March 12 – #1 explosion – which to me did appear to be a hydrogen explosion
        March 13 – scramble to get #3 reactor cooled. Pressure inside reactor rises to 1000 psi
        March 14 – 11:01 am Reactor #3 explodes in huge mushroom cloud. Radioactive debris everywhere – workforce abandons plant as unrecoverable.
        March 15 – workers are ordered back in plant – find that #4 SFP is dry and fuel is melting. At some time someone reports to the media they saw a "fire" in the reactor 3 building. It had to be a pretty big fire, because the next time we saw it the building was completely blown up.

        At some point – I think on the 14th or 15th they removed a wall section on the east side of #2 to vent hydrogen and avoid a hydrogen explosion, and instead they "heard a large muffled explosion in the basement of #2" – presumably in the torus.

        There may have been a second explosion at either #3 or #4 or possibly both.

        They've tried to divert attention from #3 since the beginning, but they also have not been very forthcoming on what really happened at #4 either.


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  • CaptD CaptD

    Number of good comments about this topic:
    http://wp.me/p21p6a-7DE


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