Experts: Magnitude of LA gas leak “way beyond what any of us have ever been told” — “It’s a worst case emission” — “I’ve never seen a release of this magnitude” — It’s flowing directly into towns with “very little dilution… a worst case scenario” — “Very dangerous condition… be very, very concerned” (VIDEO)

Published: January 25th, 2016 at 12:48 am ET
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Aliso Canyon Gas Leak Town Hall, published Jan 11, 2016 (emphasis added):

• Bob Bowcock, environmental scientist (at 18:00 in): “We’re starting to hear about the larges­­­t natural gas well leak in the U.S… The State of California and Southern California Gas Company say it’s leaking somewhere between 45,000 and 50,000 kilograms [99,000 and 110,000 pounds] per hour… We’ve done actual field measurements [and] it can be as much as three times greater than what’s being reported.”

• Erin Brockovich (at 31:05 in): “Every person I’ve talked to — thousands of people — are suffering rashes, dizziness, shakiness, they feel like they’re in a fog, nosebleeds, massive headaches… Reports of animals losing their hair, animals vomiting, animals with diarrhea — people actually relocate to hotels to find their animals have passed… You are actually the guinea pig in this situation… As we’re now learning that the magnitude of this is way beyond what any of us have ever been told, and reaches beyond where we have come in and know that there’s been dangers. We need to learn that that’s been happening.

• Camille Sears, meteorologist (at 41:45 in): “SoCalGas has said that things aren’t so bad because the leak is 1,200 feet above the elevation of the community, and that gas is lighter than air. Well, that’s not really the whole story… That gas is going downhill… [Infrared videos] show the plume just running down the hill like water… [which then] goes right into the communities. It’s very little dilution… At night, from midnight to 6:00 in the morning, 90% of the time the winds are coming from that direction [from the gas leak to the communities]. I doubled checked this, because it seems like a phenomenal amount of time that the winds are blowing from the gas leak to the community… It’s a very unfortunate situation that the leak is located where it is… The releases are probably two to three times greater than what the California Air Research Board has been reporting… It’s becoming quite clear that the State is underestimating the amount of gas that’s leaking. I’ve been doing this kind of analysis for 35 years. I’ve done thousands of them since I started doing this in 1980. I’ve never seen a release of this magnitude before… I feel really bad… to report this. It’s not only a worst case emission, it’s the great magnitude of emissions coming out, but it’s also sort of a worst case meteorological scenario that these releases happened to blow from the gas leak down in to the community at night 90 percent of the time. As we’ve seen, those gas emissions tend to flow downhill like water and go right into the communities.”

• Robin Greenberg, attorney (at 1:01:00 in): “Pets are really being affected… Time and again someone sends me photographs of their pet and have these horrible sores.”

• Bowcock (at 1:43:45 in): “This is a very dangerous condition, and it’s something that you all should be very, very concerned with… That’s a pretty substantial area and everyone in that are needs to be concerned about it… Veterinarians are very concerned about it… because the vets are actually seeing a lot of really, really sick animals… It is impacting the animals much, much more — believe me.”

Watch the town hall meeting here

Published: January 25th, 2016 at 12:48 am ET
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1,490 comments to Experts: Magnitude of LA gas leak “way beyond what any of us have ever been told” — “It’s a worst case emission” — “I’ve never seen a release of this magnitude” — It’s flowing directly into towns with “very little dilution… a worst case scenario” — “Very dangerous condition… be very, very concerned” (VIDEO)

  • invisible ELEphant in the room

    I'm listening to the latest Shimatsu/Durnford/Rense interview. Durnford seems to think he may be suffering from radiation poisoning and Shimatsu is giving Durnford advice about what to do.

    Durnford kind of put himself out there as an expert on how to avoid radiation-related sickness. Anyone remember?

    This is a VERY bad sign if Durnford's methods aren't working for him. What does that mean for everyone else on the coast of North America?


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    • jamesofthecommons

      It could mean that it is time to flee the Pacific coast of N.America. Is it not ironic and perhaps a bit suspicious, that residents from N.California, all the way to Vancouver BC.are being told that a massive earthquake and Tsunami could devastate that same area litteraly any day now ? I mean if you wanted to encourage people to remove themselves from high or chronically moderate, levels of radiation,while being sure to not admit that the radiation is even there, and you have known such for the better part of five years.
      Okay that is it for me, boss lady is back,and I must log out.


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  • rogerthat

    http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-85713645/

    Commission probing permanent closure of Aliso Canyon gas field amid massive leak

    BY LOUIS SAHAGUN
    January 28, 2016

    The California Public Utilities Commission is studying the effects of permanently shutting down the Aliso Canyon natural gas field near Porter Ranch, an indication the agency is uncertain about the future integrity of the storage system that supplies 11 million customers in Southern California. …


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  • rogerthat

    http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-85717341/

    … Here's how several residents of the area described the leak's effect on their health:

    I have headaches, runny nose, cough, blurry vision, diarrhea. I had smelled gas one day when I was in the garage and went out and bought a gas detector at Wal-Mart before I was even aware there was a gas leak. We have two dogs and three grandchildren…. My wife and I are both in our mid- to late sixties, and have health concerns for us and our small pets. —Gary Rubin

    On several occasions all of a sudden have felt like I need to just throw up, out of nowhere. Also, my 10-year-old has complained of being dizzy, and she has never complained of that. We live in Chatsworth, less than five miles from the leak. —Kristina Zitkovich

    Chatsworth is also affected by the gas leak. When the wind blows, you can smell the gas at my home, which is a horse ranch adjacent to Stoney Point — the rock formation. I've been keeping a diary at my doctor's request for another condition, and consistently, when it's breezy, I'm lethargic and from time to time get nosebleeds. —Susan Eskander

    My husband has had severe headaches, nausea, a rash and upward of 50 nosebleeds since this all began. Our 12-year-old has nausea and severe headaches. She is super-lethargic and can barely stay up to complete homework. She is a straight-A student and this has posed a serious threat to her and her learning. …


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  • rogerthat

    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/01/utilitys-negligence-caused-giant-methane-leak-air-quality-regulator-says/

    Utility’s negligence caused giant methane leak, air quality regulator says
    Regulator sues SoCal Gas, requesting $440,000 for each day the leak continues.

    by Megan Geuss – Jan 28, 2016


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  • rogerthat

    http://canmua.net/california/california-was-doing-great-on-climate-change-until-355175.html

    … If the estimate is accurate that so far the leak has put out 84 million kilograms of methane, which will contribute to global warming the equivalent of 2.1 million metric tons of carbon dioxide, the leak has already effectively erased more than a year's worth of the entire state of California's efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Our state reduced greenhouse gas emissions by the equivalent of 1.5 million metric tons of carbon dioxide in 2013, according to the latest available inventory from the California Air Resources Board. …


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  • jamesofthecommons

    The use of eminete domain by the government on behalf of the public, is unarguably constitutional and is not carried through absent compensation for the land being placed in the public domain. Some persons have been so ignorant as to scoff at the idea of our government creating bird refuges, and are particularly scornful of the taking of private land to create such refuges. Such persons, being void of any knowledge of environmental and biological stewardship, are not likely to be swayed by any argument, no matter how valid, which contradicts their own narrow view of how the world should work, what the constitution allows, and what liberty means to them. I happen to know more than a few people whom at least claim to be opposed to the existence of what what they call ''government land''these same people, more often than not, also claim that they have a gawed given right to hunt and fish to, ''even though they could never afford to go to a private commercial game preserve, and even though they do not privately own more than half an acre of land.'' Many of these people hunt, fish, ATV and camp on the same guberment land they claim the guberment should not own, all the while ignorant of the facts that our public lands belong to we the people, not the guberment, and that if large blocks of land were not placed in the public domain and managed by the government, then their so called gawed given right to hunt and fish would be meaningless.


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  • rogerthat

    http://sfvmedia.com/sfv/6k-porter-ranch-families-temporarily-relocate-in-wake-of-gas-leak/

    6K PORTER RANCH FAMILIES TEMPORARILY RELOCATE IN WAKE OF GAS LEAK
    January 27, 2016
    More than 6,000 families in and around Porter Ranch
    have taken steps to temporarily relocate out of the neighborhood in the wake of
    the months-long gas leak there, a county supervisor said today.

    Supervisor Michael Antonovich said 3,698 households have relocated and
    2,445 more have requested and are awaiting relocation. Another 1,107 households
    were offered alternative housing, but have either opted to stay home or have
    already returned to their homes. …


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    • Yes, the gubmint should not own any land other than what is in the Constitution. That means the military should give up all of their bases, nuclear sites and labs. NOW!

      Move out and give them back. That includes all of the infrastructure, including guns, ships, satellite controls, tanks, cars, houses, etc.

      The military is out of business as of today. This is legal notice, and they have three days to hand it all over.


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        • penny penny

          Having read through past comments, I can see I need to be less flippant here. Doc, I've participated directly in the political process before. I'm probably more socialism-inclined than most (though I don't think it would work for the same reason our current, corporate-socialism system is so rotten: people don't want to take personal responsibility. They want someone else to do the dirty work, while they sit back and bitch about the results.)

          Furthermore, for my part, I see no parallel between "give back the roads" and "take away the house of the woman who owed $6 in back taxes (and let a real estate magnate buy it for peanuts)" or "grab the land of New London from impoverished, lifelong residents to build a hotel and park because Pfizer wants it."


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          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            Bullies with weapons and their own written law working only for the elite.. :(


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          • irhologram

            Penny, thank you for your multiple links, RE: forced redistribution of private land to corporate developers using Eminent Domain. It seems that you, too, understand socialism is the goal. If not stopped, the people will ultimately own nothing, have no say in land use, and ultimately their own employment, while at the mercy of Diebold, tamper-friendly voting machines.

            One of your links led here…with language that when extended to results and consequences…makes it clear that the court system is backing up the legislative branch…being used to usher in socialism…by confiscating private property in the interest of the corporation over the individual.

            This is no longer about public parks and wilderness areas. This has come so nauseatingly far, it's now about selling private property to Uranium One for Russia! ONLY AWARENESS and PUBLIC OUTCRY can change this.

            "The court cited the plan's public economic benefits of creating new jobs, increasing tax and other revenues, and contributing to urban revitalization. The court stated that a legislature's public use determination receives great deference but ultimately it is a judicial question. It stated that courts can determine whether the facts and circumstances of a case show the primary purpose benefits the public but the balancing of benefits and social costs for a project is a legislative function."

            https://duckduckgo.com/?sourceid=captaincaveman&q=new+london+eminent+domain


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            • penny penny

              irholo, funny that you should say that, because i had just 'outed' myself as a socialist – BUT! in my book, socialism means the people own and are in control of everything. maybe it's anarcho-socialism? really, i agree with those who say that no one can legitimately own the land… but we have gone too far away from nature, into industrialized madness; i'm not suggesting that we could just toss off the shackles of an ownership society (with which come taxes and exploitation).
              I think we are screwed. i think we need to live as harmoniously as possible with the earth and with each other, in the time we have left. and i think we need to shut down the nuclear industry.
              i think i said just 2 or 3 minutes ago that i would quit posting for today.
              :( (imagine it's with a beet-red face)


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              • penny I believe a better definition of socialism is that the government owns everything, and pretends that the people own everything.


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                • penny penny

                  in practice, yes, which is why i only like it in principle. Like I said, the real problem is the big schism between gov't and people. If we really had a gov't of, by, and for the people (what fine rhetoric!) then the people would own everything.

                  Still… own the land? The air? the water? Not… erm, buying it (yes, pun intended, sorry!)


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                  • irhologram

                    Penny, well if the government knows so much better than you do (the people) why are we/you here protesting on this site that the government shill prestitutes conceal nuclear information from the people …insuring the nuclear status quo?

                    Why do we lament day after day that the scientists are government mouthpieces?

                    Why do so many here turn to alternative news?


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                    • penny penny

                      Not sure what you mean? I don't think the gov't knows much of anything, except how to serve the corporate paymasters.

                      I was thinking in the abstract – the people as the ones who run the country. Small-scale, direct democracy, with no one left out of the decision-making process.

                      Can't a gal dream? ;)


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      • irhologram

        Penny and Dr.
        Eminent Domain is the CRUX of this issue and where the rubber meets a road near you, until the very roads are sold from under you.

        Dr., either you are ignorant of the facts or you are disinformant…

        I guess you never heard that Juan Carlos of Spain nearly owned a 4 football-field-wide corridor from Mexico to Canada for a Toll Road. Even the purchase of 40 newspapers from Texas to Oklahoma couldn't stop the outcry over that planned Bush Eminent Domain. And so we won…that time.

        "The NAFTA Super Highway…had already begun in Texas with no congressional oversight whatsoever. The Trans-Texas Corridor is being overseen by The Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) and the contract is owned by the Cintra corporation which in turn is owned by the King of Spain Juan Carlos. The project is being financed by the implementation of a toll that will be collected by means of GPS tracking devices installed in all vehicles and also envelops many connecting roads to the highway." Meaning you couldn't travel from Texas to Canada directly, without a toll to the King of Spain. Get it?

        Link RE: Juan Carlos of Spain U.S. Toll Road.
        http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/290107buyssilence.htm

        Dr., as for your claiming ignorance to Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 of the Constitution, it has been posted here MANY times.

        cont.


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  • Sickputer

    Don't delve too deeply into government rationale or even the rationale of Enenews politics. Governments especially are a well-oiled and special interest funded machine. Just relax and watch it all like a tragic circus struggling to survive financially. As for me…Polish proverb serves me well…

    "Not my circus. not my monkeys."


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  • Nick

    SoCalGasCo is giving away free scented candles to keep Porter Ranch homeowners in their homes!

    ¨Mounting evidence suggests that perfume-scented candles may actually be polluting your home with a “cocktail [of chemicals] that can kill,” reports Jaya Narain, writing for the Daily Mail.

    Researchers with the National Centre for Atmospheric Science at the University of York say even simple perfumes can change form upon contact with the air, posing health threats to a home’s occupants if that home isn’t ventilated properly.

    To reach this conclusion, Professor Alastair Lewis tested the air quality of six “modern” homes over a five-day period, first assessing levels of “volatile organic chemicals (VOCs).” Lewis detected a range of substances in the air, including benzene, which can be derived from “outdoor vehicle pollution, and alpha-pinene,” a commonly used “pine perfume” in everyday cleaning products.¨

    http://investmentwatchblog.com/cancer-causing-candles-some-scented-candles-and-air-fresheners-produce-deadly-chemicals-that-could-give-you-cancer/

    I bet folks DID buy these candles in hopes of chasing the stench of mercaptons away!

    Ooops.

    (but I hate scented candles anyway….air freshners too for that matter!)


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  • Down The River Down The River

    Does anyone here care about all the not-people that live on the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge?

    The place is a bird sanctuary.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge

    There should be more of these.

    Our govt. doesn’t handle OUR public lands correctly, but if we left it to the Robber Barons, there would be no public lands and no wildlife sanctuaries.

    I personally think we should give it all back to the Indians.


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  • invisible ELEphant in the room

    Quoting Yoichi Shimatsu from the latest Shimatsu/Durnford/Rense interview:

    "When the servants (of the rich), you know they rely on servants. When the servants realize 'We don't need these rich guys, anymore.' You know? 'They have nothing to offer us. They're money doesn't matter. We want food.' You know? 'We grow our own food.' And I think that will be the end of the global system as we know it and the beginning of a dark age when humans go back to being very low-end primates, you know? Surviving as best they can in a very very hostile world."

    What he didn't mention is…

    Who services the over 400 nuclear reactors all over the world in that scenario?

    The fact is, they'll all meltdown!

    If modern society breaks down, we'll have Fukushimas springing up everywhere.

    I know I may be called a 'shill' once again simply for posting something that's too bleak.

    I don't care about that, we need to face reality.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I'm sorry this was on the 1.4 million acre Malheur National Forest too.
    I love birds.

    It wasn't in the center of town, or the San Francisco Bay Bridge.


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  • Congressman Greg Walden – Explains What is Wrong With Government and The Bundy Debacle
    What do you think folks? Drop a Comment. Has this man said even one thing that was wrong?
    - See more at: http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2016/01/congressman-greg-walden-explains-what.html#sthash.XSWIZKU3.dpuf


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  • Woo Hoo… Bangin' job Admin she a sootin' today… Many thanks.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Geeze ..moderation because of the name J-i-m S-t-o-n-e.


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  • irhologram

    Yes, Heart. About J. S. …interesting, isn't it? Considering I first observed it when attempting to post his theories about the 3/11 tsunami way back then? Definately not worth diverting the forum about it now. Too much other important stuff that's current…that we might be able to help with… It is said he posts from an "undisclosed" location outside this country now…


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  • rogerthat

    https://calwatchdog.com/2016/01/26/gas-leak-ruling-provides-secrecy-and-legal-defense-to-socal-gas/

    Gas leak ruling provides secrecy and legal defense to SoCal Gas

    26 Jan 2016
    Tori Richards

    Government officials have ordered the Southern California Gas Co. to shut down its leaky Aliso Canyon well, yet the ruling is far from a victory for the thousands of sickened Porter Ranch residents, an attorney charges.

    On Saturday, Jan. 23, the South Coast Air Quality Management District approved an order drafted by SoCal Gas that contains language promoting secrecy in the cleanup efforts while limiting the levels of liability in what is certain to be multi-million dollar damages.

    “This order is an attempt to limit the damages from the date that they ‘follow the rules’ – which is when this was signed, Jan. 23,” said attorney Patricia Oliver, who has filed a class action lawsuit. “It’s very bizarre, almost a finding of innocence. …''

    … Burrowed into the AQMD order is language that SoCal Gas can use as a defense in against the residents in a lawsuit, Oliver said.

    Legal Cover

    “Specifically, the order says it is being adopted to ‘further compliance with AQMD rules and regulations’ and that AQMD ‘believes that such conditions will mitigate the conditions contributing to the alleged nuisance and further compliance with AQMD rules and regulations,’” she said.

    In other words, all SoCal Gas has to say in court is that they were following the order …


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  • rogerthat

    and the leaks were under legal levels, Oliver added.

    SoCal Gas claimed that while inspecting the 115 wells it found numerous “minor leaks … below levels that would constitute a violation of current district rules” and that “all the minor well leaks … have been repaired.”

    Yet the utility stopped short of including any language that would require proof of repair. Oliver has asked for such documentation and received none.

    “There is no factual basis to support these statements,” she said. “All of their results have been secretive.”

    While no facts have been forthcoming, SoCal Gas initially sought to specifically prevent its disclosure in the order by claiming that any data submitted regarding its progress be withheld from the public because it is a “trade secret.” This language was stricken by the AQMD.

    An AQMD spokesman refused to comment.


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  • say it ain't so Joe, say it ain't so…bizarre isn't quite the word I'd use…I'd be appealing this so fast, just think if BP got away with in the Gulf…follow the money, the money trail…somehow someway there has to be full discloser and accountability, oh I bet those of Porter Ranch feel just great after this, just great…hopefully this won't last too long, half a day maybe, hopefully less…


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  • @rogerthat
    January 28, 2016 at 7:28 am

    How many times has modern civilization faltered on the hypothesis that we only can go by on the basis of what science says about a certain thing now! For example modern civilization(mc)'s society of specialists has failed to see the fact that all things are interconnected and all life behave as if they all coalesce into only one life. Separate things are all so rigidly interconnected that they are inseparable. Now the dams of the world which meet our water needs within the framework of mc while stabilising the grid actually generate giant surge waves of forces and water moments through the sum of the world's dam content changes which attack these waste drums situated some 650 meters underground in the salt domes: one second waves of hundreds to millions of terawatts: Right now perhaps some 45 billion cubic meters of dam content change. Such forces and water moments with such huge power surges caused the Fukushima catastrophe:See The Nuclear Effect in Causing Earthquakes at
    http://glaringlacuna.blogspot.in/2012/01/nuclear-effect-in-causing-earthquakes.html
    So why should not WIPP suffer a similar fate caused by the surge waves of the world's dams?


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  • Its not hundreds but hundreds of thousands to millions of terawatts!


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