Experts: Multiple types of radioactive material constantly being emitted from LA gas blowout — “I’d be running like hell” — “We are getting higher and higher levels…it’s accumulating” — “Poisons spreading through entire San Fernando Valley” home to 2 million people — “Thousands getting sick… it really is a major, major disaster” (AUDIO)

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Follow up to: Radioactive material reportedly now being released from massive gas blowout in LA — Byproduct of Uranium — Expert: “A lot” has been detected… Very dangerous (VIDEO)

Interviews from Nuclear Hotseat hosted by Libbe HaLevy, Jan 13, 2016 (emphasis added):

Kevin Kamps,  Beyond Nuclear’s nuclear waste watchdog (8:30 in): “Another important thing that is very significant is that the radon is continually resupplied… Radon is going to be constantly generated by the uranium contained in the methane… So really you’ve got a chronic constant supply of hazardous radon gas coming out of this breach in California.”

Cindy Folkers, Beyond Nuclear‘s expert on ionizing radiation (16:00 in): “I’m absolutely astounded that they are not measuring for radon that I know of… I can’t believe that they’re not measuring for radon… [Radon] also decays to a number of what are called radon progeny which includes a number of short-lived radioactive substances, some of which are lead and polonium. Both of those can be very biologically damaging… There is question as to the kind of doses that they would be getting of radon, but it still is really very much a worry… I feel like — doing the research that I’ve done — that we are not getting the full story of what’s happening there.”

Richard Mathews, candidate for California State Senate who studied physics & astronomy at CALTECH (32:00 in): “People are really concerned about this, people are seriously getting sickThousands of people are getting sick from this — and it really is a major, major disaster… Methane floats away and spreads around the whole world… All the contaminants that are in with the methane are heavier than the air and that includes… benzene and toluene, hydrogen sulfide — all of those are heavier than air — they tend to stay close to the ground and move downhill. This is happening in the hills above the San Fernando Valley [home to nearly 2 million people] and so the poisons are all moving down into the San Fernando Valley and spreading through the entire San Fernando Valley… As the radon and other substances flow around, they are accumulating. They are not easily blown out of the valley, and we are getting higher and higher levels… The lead is going to be around for decades… The initial lead that you get is radioactive. This will be a continuing problem… It could spread through the entire San Fernando Valley… The damage that the radon does stays in your body… and shows up as cancer a decade after, maybe even 80 years later. So we really need to follow through.”

Terry Lodge, attorney (50:00 in): “You have a massive release, probably, of radon going on — and there may actually also be radium particulate… I’d be taking very rapid steps [if I lived in the area], I’d be running like hell. And the reason is, I suspect that there’s little by way of emergency anticipation — what could possibly go wrong? We have this vast underground storage facility… There are not radiation monitors… the problem is sort of the Three Mile Island problem… the radiation emission went way off the meter… there were no redundant rings, there was no monitoring certain distances outside the plant boundary. You don’t even have that at Porter [Ranch]… They don’t know how much radon is being dispersed… [Radon] can be concentrated by rainfall, concentrated by humidity, and inversions… There needs to be some type of soil sampling… air, and all that… So the problem is that radon is around in the Porter Ranch situation — nobody’s prepared for it. They’re not talking about it now — this may months into the crisis.”

Full interviews available here

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  • rogerthat

    http://london.ctvnews.ca/youtube-video-aimed-at-putting-end-to-plans-for-nuclear-dump-1.2740178#

    January 16, 2016

    The non-profit group Stop the Great Lakes Nuclear Dump has released a new video in an effort to draw attention to its cause.
    The three-minute YouTube video was released Friday night by the group, which is fighting plans by Ontario Power Generation (OPG) to build a deep geological repository to bury radioactive nuclear waste on the shores of the Great Lakes. …

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    http://forces.tv/98576698

    … A quarter of a century on from Desert Storm, calls are being made for more research into Gulf War Syndrome. …

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Allegations of two air force bases doing biological weapons testing in Nevada or near the California and Nevada border exist. Cannot remember where I read this. Had lived near Incline Village in the early 1990's and nearby small towns. Many people were ill from chronic fatigue at the time. Unsure what air bases the new story referred to, but there is an air base not far from the Bridgeport area. It lies in the mountains somewhere between Bridgeport and Sonora, California. There may be another air base or military installation in the valley along 395, just south of Minden, NV.

      At first the people thought to have "chronic fatigue syndrome" later called "CFIDS" or Chronic Fatigue Immune Deficiency Syndrome were thought to have viral exposures or multiple viral exposures. Epstein-Barr, Cytomegalovirus, and various forms of HPV were potential causes.

      Now the brain studies of CFIDS patients are beginning to share features in common with Myalgic Encephalitis patients. Many patients with Gulf War Syndrome have brain imaging studies that are similar to CFIDS patients. In Canada, the syndrome is now commonly referred to as Myalgic Encephalitis.

      Am wondering if we'll ever know where this disease originated, and/or if it is a product of biological and/or radiological, chemical weapons testing and use.

      Just thought I'd throw that out there since two classes of patients at first thought dissimilar share a pattern in their illness.

    • @ rogerthat
      January 18, 2016 at 9:49 pm
      Consensus will never be reached in modern civilization(mc) on this and related similar issues because the framework: A society of specialists and their present state of knowledge is imperfect!
      Anchored in mc's idioms, people will never see the truth!
      There is the famous Goedel's Axiom of Choice: Given a set of mutually exclusive non-empty sets, another set can be constructed which contains one element from each of these sets! Thus the facts are such that the phenomena are interconnected! This in mc's idioms this can nether be proved nor disproved!
      You must view mc from a higher framework consisting of the following assumptions:
      There is true knowledge, learn thou it is this:
      To see one changeless life in all the lives, in the separate the inseparable.
      There is imperfect knowledge: To see the separate existences apart and hold it to be true.
      There is false knowledge: To cling to one as if it were all, heedless of the harm, heedless of the consequences, narrow and dull and dark.
      Thus the reality is that everything is rigidly interconnected(The principle of perfect design).
      The contamination created by mc is all pervading and mc is self destructive and destructive of all life.
      See http://plutoniumaradiumabillionpeoplehitdna.blogspot.in/2016/01/modern-civilization-failure-of.html
      Stop modern civilization based on falsehood in its tracks and deliberate to design a normal way which imitates nature beyond understanding.

  • PlowboyGrownUp

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  • rogerthat

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  • rogerthat

    Well, where would you put it, ha ha?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-35096566

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    • Taffycat Taffycat

      Why aren't we in all our splendor and glory, as humans, putting our best minds at work figuring out a way to ship this crap to the sun, instead of spying on each other, killing each other and buying politicians? I wonder…

      • Taffycat Taffycat

        Sent Grieg Watson who wrote the piece an email asking him why aren't we sending this crap to the sun…tired of folks saying we can't, we can't do this, we can't do that…dammit, have we tried???

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    this story's gaining traction:

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  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Seen that movie, "In Time" ?

    Good example. and a great movie.

    Planet Earth has been declared the ghetto zone. Don't know what planet the one percent think they are on, but if I were them, I'd avoid San Fernando Valley wines vintage 2015

  • rogerthat

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  • rogerthat

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  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

    The Bundy Brigade's Economic Delusions
    Cartoon:
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    “…the West has flourished because of the federal government’s help, not in spite of it. No region’s economy has depended more on subsidies and taxpayer-funded investment. In the nineteenth century, the Homestead Act handed out free land to settlers, and the transcontinental railroad was built thanks to cheap land grants and huge government outlays. The federal government has played a vital role in managing the Western watershed, while investing billions of dollars in dams and other public infrastructure. As the historian Gerald Nash has shown, the West’s postwar boom was jump-started by money the government poured into the region during the Second World War.
    “Furthermore, Bundy’s beloved ranching, mining, and logging industries have been some of the biggest beneficiaries of government largesse.…
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  • rogerthat

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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Above I described the particular convoluted situation public land and sharing with the government.
    Now, so called 'kind hand' of the government .. has a weapon in it.
    NOW .. public lands is being used ..grazing, hunting, spray it with chemicals..is not under the control of the people.. but under the BLM.
    Does the BLM represent the best interests of the PEOPLE?

    Not all in the Patriotic movement, are involved in land disputes.
    There's been a coupe, P..by the totalitarians for the whole country via Executive order, bribes and payoffs.
    An 'official' insurrection….by treasonous elected officials.

    • DUDe DUD

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAwALTdrMZ8

      The Truth About the BLM – Bundy Ranch Dispute Explained

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        And thank you for this ..DUD.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

        Qutation from your link:

        “NO LEGAL ADVICE is intended in any way by the content of this video. Consult your local laws and local licensed attorney for any legal matters.”
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAwALTdrMZ8

        The government does have authority to regulate environmental pollution caused by anyone. This is how they were able to shut down Rocky Flats weapons plant producing plutonium pits. It was not safe but creating harmful environmental pollution.

        In Wyoming where the Russians are mining uranium, the state is now enforcing environmental protection laws that are stricter than the federal standards.

        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          Visual Aids For Understanding The Conflict In Oregon
          Jan 7 2016

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FQrxYElQzU#t=76

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

          We've also seen how states and localities have been able to turn down nuclear energy plants and nuclear waste dumps.

          The video you are watching are opinions expressed by those like the Koch brothers who want to cut down every tree in the US which would cause erosion and loss of wild life, etc.

          The Congree, President, and the Supreme Court all have a say in environmental protection. When President Bush was president (typical of Republicans) the environmental protections were not enforced. President Bush was formerly Governor of Texas, with the worst environmental protections enforcement in the nation.

          The person in this video would be able to put a uranium mine anywhere in the US if he and those he represents had a choice. They would cut down every tree. They would mine coal anywhere and everywhere in the US. The federal environmental protections plus the states' stricter laws keep the US from become the disaster that is China. California has the some of or the strictest environmental protection laws. Trade agreements like TPP and NAFTA destroy those environmental protection laws.

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

            My comments were directed to DUD.

            Foreigners and agents of foreign governments seek to change the laws in the US because they want to destroy and conquer the US.

            • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

              @ P.

              And because our government is complicit with these foreign governments, under the guise of friendly and supposed necessary global governance, are treasonous in their actions and in the failure to protect the sovereignty.

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

              And we know that people, including spies for foreign governments, will do anything for money.

              As well, people with good intentions are also swayed by propaganda and propaganda sound bites published by large corporations. This the reason we still have nuclear energy and nuclear weapons. Without any environmental protection there will be 2,000 new nuclear energy plants puts to pollute every square inch of the US. This is the end of the world. Only the laws of the federal government kept no new nuclear energy plants built in the US for 30 years. Only the laws of the federal government stopped atmospheric nuclear testing in 1961. Only the laws of the federal government prevent all the food from containing ecoli bacteria. Only the laws of the federal government regulate the purity of medical, pharmaceutical drugs.

              • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                "Only the laws of the federal government regulate the purity of medical, pharmaceutical drugs."

                Sure ..P.

                GAO report hammers FDA for lax oversight on speedily approved drugs
                Jan 19 2015

                http://www.fiercepharma.com/story/gao-report-hammers-fda-lax-oversight-speedily-approved-drugs/2016-01-19

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                  Heart, please tell us which political candidate you support who is for 100% renewable energy with no nuclear or fossil fuel energy.

                  I support Dr. Jill Stein, presidential candidate for president of the US.

                  Political argument and slogans mean nothing when someone wants to vote for the person most wedded to the corporations and most wedded to nuclear energy and fossil fuel energy.

                  Dr. Jill Stein accepts no campaign contributions from corporations.

                  Can you say the same for your candidate? Can you even say that you are 100% against nuclear energy? I still haven't heard you say it.

                  • PT are you just stirring the pot?

                  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                    I don't do mainstream politics ..P.
                    Nothing to work with ..AS FAR AS MY CONCERNS.

                    I don't share a lot of things now.
                    Personal thoughts, etc.
                    And if I wasn't against nuclear power ,I wouldn't be here.
                    You're under cutting my ambitions ..P.
                    What ambitions?
                    That's on a 'need to know basis'.

                    LOL.

                    • againstthegrain

                      If the bundy bunch got the uranium rights to the preserve or any other federal land they would would sell them to the highest bidder period foreign or not just like with the sage brush rebellion in the 70s.
                      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagebrush_Rebellion
                      People from the west know whats up. Bundys are government welfare queens supported by the kochs
                      http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/its-mormons-and-kochs-secret-roots-white-male-bundy-rage Beautiful national parks would be turned into a uranium strip mine if these people have their way.
                      Little pristine beautiful commons left in many parts of America.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      Heart, If the public lands were privatized, the land wouldn't go to the ranchers. It would go to the loggers and the mining companies. The US protects its lands so that the ranchers have a place to graze their livestock now and in generations to come. The US subsidizes ranching.

                      And the best economy now comes from tourism and recreation, not from strip mining or fracking or destroying the environment.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                      And privatized would be turning over the land to totalitarian foreign governments who have already destroyed their native environment with nuclear waste and other pollution and poisons.

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      'If the bundy bunch got the uranium rights'

                      😆

                      And who, could possibly give them those 'rights'?

                      The Posse? Themselves? 😆

                      Why not ask who gave 'U rights' to who in Wyoming, you know, the place SOS Hillary Clinton gave a pass to Billy, to sell it to Russia?

                      The delusion is incredible.

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      "And the best economy now comes from tourism and recreation"

                      Ya right. Got 158k on ya?

                      http://www.usdebtclock.org/

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Total assets U.S. Government 1.8 trillion..

                      Total debt U.S. Government 19 trillion obligated for 200 trillion..

                      If any land is ever handed over to foreign countries it will be the U.S. Government handing over all our National Parks and BML land to pay back it's 24/7 shopping spree problem.

                      Where else are they going to get the money?

                      With tax inversion the money left this country a long time ago and only the poor human livestock peasants remain squabbling over the/any scraps left behind.

                      I want a free phone!

                      Catch 22!

                    • Angela_R

                      Obe, the debt clock, did look like citizens were incorporated. That seemed to be how they were balancing their books. Though when questioning family 'experts', I was told I was incorrect.

                      Ultimately the runaway debt can only be serviced by the sale of Government assets, or the taxpayer. But who has the right to load up an unsuspecting public, who did not sign to be mortgaged to this level. So, you can see that they may attempt to sell off the 'farm'.

                  • againstthegrain

                    The koch brothers are The New World Order. They actively support the bundys and many other right wing politicins. All repucilicans are pro nuclear power, as is hillary clinton, an Ron Paul. This site has been comandeered by right wing partisons and shills and koch hacks. It has degenerated so sine its initial inception. Right wing shills bullying the heck out of americans. Just like real life.

                    • againstthegrain

                      Many people do not see the need for a constant growth economy as. Most cannot afford to and to world cannot afford the continuous cunsumption and shopping you and ypur greed gut buddies love as. Nyone can file a uranium claim mr smarty. The west is arid. Teddy Roosevelt loved the naural beauty of the west. That is why he started National Parks and National monument. You and your greed gut buddies do not see it that way. You want it all and then some.

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      Hey THANKS, that made a lot of sense! 😆

                      http://postimg.org/image/p1nbgly8r/

                    • againstthegrain

                      Well that is a great retort. More hijinks from the right wing hive mind in action here. Bullies, propagandists and partisons. Just like on tv every night!

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      Turn off the tube and save 65 wats.

                      If you had a clue you would realize I have no party, just the right to party with my freeman rights.

                      Go clean out that hive and make some nice tea and honey.

                      And give some input on 20,000,000 gallons equivalent CH4 polluting and killing the environment, every day, in L A.

            • DUDe DUD

              "..Foreigners and agents of foreign governments seek to change the laws in the US because they want to destroy and conquer the US.."

              Conquer..conquer ! BWAHAhaaaaa.. i'm the most powerabuse allergic person in the world.. i barely know jealousy.. i cant get exited by the idea of controlling or exploiting others in any way..conquer..hahaha

              But i do get exited by the idea of getting corruption and powerabuse out of this world..and your country's government..that is recognisable from great distance by all the trails of broken treaties..and Extreme inequallity..is the most corrupt psychopathic global dominance seeking perpetual warprofiteering everything including its own population dumbing down poissoning and destroying gravity center of immorality ..on this planet..one of the main "mothertumors"..if you like , on this planet..

              And what is that stinking USA military base doing in my country ? And those stinking britle NPP's ? And those USA nuke missiles? And all the sniffing tru our communication since the creation of Echelon? And who the fuck is forcing GMO's upon the world.. And who the fuck is forcing the NWO oligarchy upon the world ?

              Me a Conquering agent hahahaaaa

              If you cant see that your elite's butt sucking government is "securing the garden" for the elite after the coming culling..then you are even more visual impaired then i thought possible..

              I'm not attracted to anything more rightwinger then lefty me..but we DO have to find common…

              • DUDe DUD

                I'm not naturally attracted to anything more rightwinger then lefty me..but we DO have to find common ground..if Anyone not in the "club" wants to keep a small chance of surviving..
                or just roll over..install win10..parrot whatever your cullers want you to parrot..and make sure the 99% loses the century long setup endgame by keeping the 99% divided by bickering amongst ourselfes.. who is the agent now ?

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                  DUD, Cullen is Canadian living in Canada. He has nothing to do with the US.

                  Don't you live in Europe?

                  • or-well

                    LOL! DUD did not mention Cullen.
                    DUD said "cullers", as in those culling or who would cull.
                    Say anne, don't you live in an absurdist black & white cartoon-world?

                  • DUDe DUD

                    Its only ONE INTERCONNECTED WORLD..everyone is shaping it..and everyone has a duty to object..if their future is destroyed by others "close or far away"..since that distance thing does not really exist in an interconnected world..

                    Don't you live in Europe?

                    Exactly my thought..

                    i repeat..

                    And what is that stinking USA military base doing in my country ? And those stinking britle NPP's ? And those USA nuke missiles? And all the sniffing tru our communication since the creation of Echelon? And who the fuck is forcing GMO's upon the world.. And who the fuck is forcing the NWO oligarchy upon the world ?

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      Good Luck DUD, you have entered the TZ.
                      God hepl us all.

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b5aW08ivHU

                    • irhologram

                      Please, DUD. I know you're angry. But language has a way of degenerating once the swearing starts with one person then… The next guy bests it… We loose credibilty.

                      And, it is against blog rules, of course.

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      Damn, my follow up uplinked to cyberspace 🙁

                      To clarify DUD, I am with you 100%, 90% of the time.

                      There is no correct partyline, it is all bullshit and our hapless/luckless children get to hold the bag.

                      There should be nothing USA in your country, unless invited, and you should pay for it!!

                      We, are, $18,900,000,000 past broke. ;(

                    • DUDe DUD

                      What do you mean with that ridiculisation AST ?

                    • DUDe DUD

                      Sorry , i did not refresh the page before responding.. now i see your followup..

                    • DUDe DUD

                      I will try irholo..but PT has a way of jumping straight to insult's and accusations of a level normal people only sink to after long mutual cumulation of misunderstanding's in a heated debate or proven malevolent behaviour.. not gonne take it anymore..

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      Damn x2 as I proofread. 🙁

                      The TZ is wallpapered in Blue. 😆
                      As is the tag-a-long, sounding like 'bowling' on a 3 day blitzkrieg with Mississippi distillate.

                      What happened to 'bowling'?

                    • DUDe DUD

                      The TZ is wallpapered in Blue. 😆
                      As is the tag-a-long, sounding like 'bowling' on a 3 day blitzkrieg with Mississippi distillate.

                      Let me assure you , for a foreigner , that is some strange gibberish , a TZ on its own lolol 🙂

                      What happened to 'bowling'?

                      Don't know..should i..? 🙁

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      TZ= twilight zone, old television series?
                      bowling…brash ene poster with a drinking problem. A common trait is a mix of very right-on posts and others of bafflegab. Keeps you guessing

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      Please, lets not go there, that's pretty much how I operate, it's no surprise I am sure. Sometimes I get it right…sometimes

                      "Sorry , i did not refresh the page before responding.. now i see your followup.."

                      And

                      "proven malevolent behaviour.."

                      100% true, and typically the first and incessantly continuous violator of the ethics posted below this button I just pushed.
                      When an individual habitually breaks 4 out of 5 rules, it is no surprise that Rule#4 falls in step, out of frustration.

                      I hope I make sense, I have 11 nieces/nephews to entertain. 1 pooch. 😉

                    • againstthegrain

                      I am not Bowling cs and I cannot drink. The discussion is about the bundys. I have seen you come up with some preeyy big whppers and blame it on drinking code.This is what I think the bundy deal is about.
                      http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/01/04/the-bundy-militia-raid-on-burns-what-the-media-left-out/
                      http://www.politicususa.com/2016/01/16/furious-oregon-rancher-warns-mormon-bundy-insurgents-land.html
                      http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/its-mormons-and-kochs-secret-roots-white-male-bundy-rage

                      You kinds have an allergy to facts and the like dont ya csd. Like twistin things a little to mske people see things your way.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      against…I havent been involved in the Bundy case. I havent researched it, sorry. I didnt equate you with bowling or even mention or think about you. As for your allegations against me, well…frankly my dear, I dont give a damn

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POenCW8qqWI

                    • againstthegrain

                      Then why are you attacking me csd? My statements have all been about the bundys and the bias I see here. You have told a fib to angela I see. Anyone can go file a Uranium claim on BLM land according to the 1872 mining act if there are no current valid mineral claims there. http://www.blm.gov/co/st/en/BLM_Programs/minerals/locatable.html just love with the way some people play with revisionist history and pick and choose facts here. Kind of reminds me of a hive mind. Of lacking critical thinking skills. Of partison propaganda.

                    • againstthegrain

                      Course you did refer to the herd in one of your nasty innuendos dis you not code? Have you been drinking again code? Mining Claims and Sites

                      Mining Claims and Sites
                      The General Mining Law of 1872, as amended

                      The Mining Law of 1872 governs mining claims and sites located on Federal lands. It declared that public lands that are open to mineral-entry be available for development and extraction of metallic and nonmetallic locatable minerals by United States citizens. The law also encourages mining companies to initiate exploration and development of such minerals.

                      Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976 (FLPMA)

                      This Act did not amend the 1872 law, but did affect the recordation and maintenance of claims. Persons holding existing claims were required to record their claims with the BLM by October 1979, and all new claims were required to be recorded with the BLM. FLPMA’s purpose was to provide the BLM with information on the locations and number of unpatented mining claims, mill sites and tunnel sites to determine the names and addresses of current owners and remove any cloud of title on abandoned claims.
                      http://www.blm.gov/co/st/en/BLM_Programs/minerals/locatable.html

            • AirSepTech AirSepTech

              "Foreigners and agents of foreign governments seek to change the laws in the US because they want to destroy and conquer the US."

              Dr. Goodheart Dr. Goodheart
              January 16, 2016 at 4:59 pm · Reply
              There are many ways to do 'revolution' and to counter systemic total corruption, which is probably something that everyone can agree on, correct?

              What if this could be pulled off here? Would anyone here object? Peaceful, got rid of corrupt leaders, corrupt bankers, "and REWROTE THE CONSTITUTION", all at the same time.

              Ya, needs no comment, good luck explaining this bullshit blizzard.

              Apparently, the enemy is within, in multiples.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    This is the same country that put several tribes in Oklahoma ..then opened it up for the 'Sooners'.
    And some did well, in oil ..some didn't.
    They aren't supposed to address the grievances about the federal government ..because the government handed them the land years ago?
    (as if it was the goverments to begin with ..how so?.. out of conquest ..territorial acquisition?)

    Times change.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Why moan then ..when the government and press is complicit in the cover-up of Fukushima?

    Somehow ..you must be beholding to the government?

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    You owe taxes on your weed patch?
    Pay up AND shut up?

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    The US postal service brings you, your mail.
    So shush..P.

  • rogerthat

    http://www.porterranchlawsuit.com/the-aliso-canyon-blowout-a-tale-of-corporate-obliviousness/

    The Aliso Canyon Blowout: A Tale of Corporate Obliviousness
    January 18, 2016

    By Attorneys Frank Petosa and Rene Rocha

    The BP Oil Spill (aka the Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill) shocked the world in 2010. The disaster took place in federal waters off the coast of Louisiana, but its impact soon spread to several other states as well—turning upside down the lives of people across the Gulf Coast. It soon became apparent that BP had not previously secured any well control equipment that could be used to respond to the blowout, had not developed any contingency plans to deal with such a blowout, and basically had never bothered to consider the possibility of a catastrophic well failure. As a result of this failure to plan, the only option available to BP was to drill a relief well, a painstaking process that takes months to complete. All the while hydrocarbons and other pollutants billowed into the Gulf of Mexico.

    As required by federal law governing offshore oil spills, BP soon set up a claims process for individuals and businesses to submit claims for compensation for the disruption caused by the blowout. However, as weeks turned to months and with the end of the blowout nowhere in sight, it soon became apparent that BP was distorting the claims process, and preying on the struggling individuals and businesses impacted by the blowout …

    • rogerthat

      to secure full and final releases of liability for pennies on the dollar.

      Meanwhile, BP persistently lied to the federal government, the media, and the American public regarding how much oil was actually spilling into the Gulf.

      The figures BP was reporting for public consumption were off by a factor of 10, and BP knew it. But it was impossible to verify or fact check BP’s oil spill figures, because only BP had access to the wellhead and the data from monitoring the flow rate. BP consciously undertook a marketing campaign designed to minimize the impact of the spill, while simultaneously seeking to settle claims for next to nothing.

      There are many parallels between the disaster unfolding in Aliso Canyon and the BP Oil Spill, and comparisons between the two are being made by public officials, scientists, environmental experts, attorneys and the media.

      As natural gas and other harmful chemicals billow out the SoCalGas well unabated, SoCalGas has sought to downplay the effects and impact of the blowout.

      SoCalGas denies that the blowout is actually an environmental catastrophe, and has repeatedly stated that the risks to human health are minimal.

      However, like the BP Oil Spill, only SoCalGas has access to the data being collected at the wellhead—and like BP, it is being less than transparent about what is actually flowing from the well. Family pets and wildlife have been dying, and that is giving nearby residents reason to suspect …

      • rogerthat

        that SoCalGas is not telling them the full story about the health risks stemming from this blowout. It does not help SoCalGas’ credibility that they initially denied the existence of the leak, and told residents that the smell of gas was the result of routine maintenance operations.

        SoCalGas Failed to Learn the Lessons of the BP Oil Spill

        BP’s Oil Spill Response Plan for the Macondo Well can be summed up in two sentences: “Call Boots & Coots. If they can’t stop it, drill a relief well.” Boots & Coots have earned a reputation as well control specialists, but this should never have been BP’s only plan.

        BP ignored several options, such as having response technology and equipment readily available and preparing a multi-faceted oil spill response plan that addressed many contingencies.

        BP routinely ignored safety critical maintenance, and refused to install many safety upgrades to its well equipment because they weren’t specifically required by regulators. These upgrades, such as a double blind shear rams, v-shaped shearing rams, and more powerful battery pods on its blowout preventer, may have stopped the blowout before it happened.

        As a result of BP’s failure to plan for, or even consider, the possibility of a catastrophic well failure in the Gulf of Mexico, the only method available to stop the blowout was to drill a relief well—a process that took months, while hydrocarbons flowed into the Gulf of Mexico unabated. …

        • rogerthat

          … Unfortunately, SoCalGas did not learn the lessons of the BP Oil Spill. Despite being an onshore well, far less complex than the Macondo Well, and potentially with easier access to blowout response technology and equipment, SoCalGas’ response plan was identical to the BP 2010 plan—they called Boots & Coots, and when that didn’t work, they started drilling a relief well.

          This failure to plan is a shocking refusal to heed the warnings of the BP disaster.

          Although SoCalGas knew that the wells in the Aliso Canyon field were old and decaying—this particular well was drilled in 1953 and repurposed in the 1970s—it did not maintain or repair the equipment, plan for a catastrophic well failure, or even have readily available response technology and equipment that could have been used to shut in the well.

          In fact, SoCalGas removed a malfunctioning critical piece of safety equipment—the Subsurface Safety Valve—instead of repairing it, because it was not required by regulatory agencies to repair or replace it. …

          The Blowout Is Not Controlled

          As weeks turn into months, and the completion of the relief well remains in the distant future, pollutants continue to billow out of the Aliso Canyon well. …

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Willful obliviousness.
    Obama.. "nothing bad is going to happen to the Gulf of Mexico".

    Obama's Gulf Oil Spill
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzllR24e-FY

    BP oil spill dispersants hindered oil-eating microbes, study says
    Nov 10 2015

    http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2015/1110/BP-oil-spill-dispersants-hindered-oil-eating-microbes-study-says

    Obama:

    President Obama 3 17 11 Fukushima – Nothing to see here statements
    May 11 2012

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=095dqQn_3H8

    The President hasn't even addressed the Aliso Canyon Fire.
    Obama is an example of the new normal.
    The way the population will live in the filth of industry, not quite as obvious as in other countries..is the new normal.

    Chemical dispersants used to help breakdown the BP oil spill actually hindered microbes that were helping clean-up the huge slick, says new research.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Of course!

    The only solution is to ban all these types of activities on Planet Earth!

    These people are helping kill the planet for profits!

    Make no mistake mankind is in the process of killing this Earth and the human livestock needs to wakeup soon or there will be nothing left to rape and pillage.

    That would make the 3.5 billion Santa Clauses running around.. very sad.

  • rogerthat

    http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2016/01/392548.html

    Residents to file suit in March to ban Fukui nuclear restart
    FUKUI, Japan, Jan. 13, Kyodo

    A group of residents and their supporters plan to file a suit in March demanding that a local court ban Kansai Electric Power Co. from restarting two reactors in Fukui Prefecture, sources close to the group said Wednesday. …

  • rogerthat

    http://antinuclear.net/2016/01/19/likely-recommendations-of-the-nuclearcommissionsaust/

    Likely Recommendations of the Nuclear Commission S Aust

    Dan Monceaux , Nuclear Fuel Cycle Royal Commission Watch 19 Jan 16

    List of what I believe are possible or likely recommendations (in no particular order):

    – the repeal of state and federal prohibitions blocking nuclear industrial development

    – the consideration of the establishment of a nuclear waste repository in SA

    – the development of a ‘nuclear fuel leasing scheme’, whereby Australian miners (inc. BHP Billiton & Rio Tinto) receive spent fuel which was created from Australian uranium, and profit from its receipt

    – the establishment of an advanced research centre to support the development of next generation ‘nuclear waste recycling’ reactors
    (most likely via the newly formed Future Industries Institute, UniSA)

    – the consideration of nuclear energy as a ‘low-carbon energy source’ in the future replacement of coal-fired power plants in Australia’s Eastern states

    – the relaxation of safety regulations for nuclear industrial workers (inc. uranium miners) including, potentially, the rejection of the LNT hypothesis …

  • rogerthat

    Bibi the sick warmonger in full cry:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/18/world/middleeast/netanyahu-asserts-israel-will-be-irans-watchdog.html?&_r=0

    Netanyahu Asserts Israel Will Be Iran’s Watchdog
    By STEVEN ERLANGERJAN. 17, 2016

    JERUSALEM — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel warned on Sunday that his nation would ensure that Tehran never obtains nuclear weapons, while also taking credit for keeping Iran from already having them. …

  • rogerthat

    who knows??

    http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/2016/1266007_7763.html

    Press Releases 2016

    Press Release (Jan 15,2016)
    Situation of storing and treatment of accumulated water including highly concentrated radioactive materials at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station (235th Release)

  • rogerthat

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3403139/PETER-HITCHENS-bearded-pacifists-right-Trident-waste-money.html

    PETER HITCHENS: The bearded pacifists are right… Trident IS a waste of money
    By PETER HITCHENS FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY
    17 January 2016

  • rogerthat

    http://www.harwichandmanningtreestandard.co.uk/news/north_essex_news/14208805._Dumping_ground__fear_over_Bradwell_s_future/

    'Dumping ground' fear over Bradwell's future

    Bradwell power station may be used to store waste from other power plants
    Sunday 17 January 2016 / North Essex news

    Radioactive waste from other nuclear power stations could be stored at Bradwell, it has been revealed.

    Magnox, the company running Bradwell power station, has asked Essex County Council whether it needs to draw up a full environmental impact assessment on plans to import nuclear waste from other power stations.

    In 2013, the Standard revealed how politicians had accused Magnox of breaking promises after admitting it was considering turning the Downhall Beach station, which is being decommissioned, into an alleged “nuclear dumping ground”.

    Magnox’s submission to County Hall reveals “intermediate level waste” would be stored, encased in cement, inside stainless steel drums or concrete boxes.

    It would be imported from Dungeness A and Sizewell A until around 2040, when a national geological disposal facility is due to be created.

    Magnox defended the proposals, saying it would save around £200million of taxpayers’ money and avoid the need to build £30million of additional storage space. …

  • rogerthat

    hello to all, hope you had a decent xmas/new year and all that jazz.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Was great! Spent 90% less this year! Hope yours was frugal and very good too!

  • rogerthat

    mostly peaceful, which was good

  • http://www.jupiterfoundation.org/live-whales-web-cam.shtml

    I have been watching this 6 area whale cam from Hawaii. They had it shut down for at least 3 days, now its back up.

    In 15 minutes I have not seen a single whale.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Thank you for this ..stock.
    There comes a time when one must believe one's own eyes only.

  • Sol Man

    If only planning on the continuance of Life paid as much as the assurance of death to all, The death mongers have been given the upper hand and this is beyond words sad for all, but especially the children.

  • irhologram

    Bomb threats to high schools in two states since Friday

    Considering the difficulty of remaining undetected across multiple cities in a two state area,,,even if using multiple pay phones, it seems likely investigation of the points of origin would have led to a witness of at least one of those calls to high schools.

    Because the threats are over such a wide area, they appear to have been orchestrated by an unknown group…fear porn by virtual terrorists, if you will. Another possibility is, it's an epidemic of copycat young pranksters, a kind of buzz idea that may spread. If so, in order to deter further mischief, why hasn't even one caller been identified in FOUR days…?

    It's just a question. I'm not saying this is a false flag to generate fear. Considering the track record, makes you wonder, huh?

    http://patch.com/massachusetts/acton/s/fk2ui/more-threats-reported-across-several-ma-schools?utm_source=alert-breakingnews&utm_medium=email&utm_term=police%20%26%20fire&utm_campaign=alert

    http://patch.com/new-jersey/fairlawn-saddlebrook/breaking-bomb-threat-fair-lawn-high-school

  • Jay Cullen is culling the planet

  • Aiyaiyai, I saw this comment

    And the best economy now comes from tourism and recreation, not from strip mining or fracking or destroying the environment.
    —————————
    stock here–misguided thinking

    Tourism and recreation do not create an economy, they do not create wealth, producing products that people need and want create wealth. Create your own wealth, that the powers that be can't easily steal.

    Movies do not create wealth
    Games do not create wealth
    Tourism only captures someone else's wealth
    Compliance with government regulation does not create wealth
    Government jobs do not create wealth

  • The BLM was created in 1932 after the depression and as a result of the Sagebrush rebellion.

    Cool, blow up the economy through parasitic bankers, and then unleash more regulation and transfer more power to the federal government.

    hmmmmm

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagebrush_Rebellion

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

      President Obama just sign an order of no mining on Public Lands. And you against this? Do you really want uranium mining or coal mining on public lands.

      No one is asking for more Federal Government. That is a straw argument.

      Were you against the moratorium on building nuclear power plants?

      Are you not arguing for Yucca Mountain? Were you against the order, due to environmental reasons, for canceling Yucca Mountain?

      Be specific, not just a general platitude.

      Most people want the FDA to work better and want the EPA to work better, etc.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

        The states and counties can't afford to subsidize ranching.

        d a small minority can't steal and gobble up all the land with guns and "directives they claim are from God". Why is all of a sudden people here following Ammon Bundy's claims of directives from God? Even I'm against this kind of thinking. I don't believe his claims are God directed.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

          The earth was created to preserve life, and private companies show over and over again that they care nothing about the environment. They just want to get rich quick and they don't care about life in the future or about other people.

      • irhologram

        She has already linked this. Violation of repetitive posting.

    • againstthegrain

      The BLM is not my hero. The Bundys would also open National Parks and Monuments to mining and other things. Many of those bankers are cronies of your right wing buddies the Koch bros. Stock. Constant growth consumption greed. Many enjoy National Parks. Constant groth greed acquisition. The stock mark of right wing politicians like your handlers and they all support nuclear power and Uranium Mining.

  • irhologram

    Anne is violating Rule 3 of this blog…the prohibition against repetive posts. In order to correct misconceptions generated by wallpapering of opinion, which has already been discussed or even proven wrong …we would have to constantly rebutt her links by reposting links from previous pages no longer in view, further bogging down this blog.

    She has hijacked our journey in conclusion by consensus that Freedom of Speech is designed for.

    This is not merely a case of frustrating her fellow bloggers. By commandeering the forum she not only disrupts flow, she destroys the educational process ene-ers came here for.

    I warned her that I would report her repetive posts if she continued in violation of Rule 3. I am now going to do that…and I earnestly request WE ALL do the same.

    It is the only way to tame her out of control personal power agenda of usurping this board for her private use in order to control investigation and even in order to create memes of her own choosing that she then enforces through repitition. This cannot be allowed.

    No amount of deserved sympathy or need to avoid her tantrums can justify our allowing her escalating, unchecked disregard for dialogue in discovery of Truth.

    PLEASE!!! Join me in ending this " l'enfant terrible" behavior or it will get worse and worse…as it HAS continued to do!! REPORT ANNE's repetive ABUSE of Rule 3… ITS THERE FOR A REASON!!!

    • Ban the ANNE! Usurping not allowed!

    • or-well

      irho, good luck. Admin is MIA on complaints and will remain so until threads go back to generating 20 or 30 comments.

      • irhologram

        Or-well.
        Actually…Anne has said MULTIPLE times that she has repeatedly been in moderation and relates she was ALREADY banned at one time. I'm asking you to help. What do you have to loose? What do you have to gain? It's true and it's just.

        • or-well

          irho, there's what she says and then there's fact.
          She hasn't been absent since the old days of X-DrFox and stilljill that I can recall.
          I think she was under moderation ONCE. Way back when.

          She says a lot of bs bout computer problems too, blaming them on folks here.

          irho, did you support me when I called for her to be banned?

          I'm NOT saying I don't support you. Do I really need to repeat my post of 2:08pm?

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            or-well was the only one with cojones to call PT out. As far as I recall, nobody supported him in his bold initiative. Everyone is caught up in the 'follow rules, enable others, be nice, follow the flock' personality disorder of the masses. Maybe if he had started a petition with a catchy catch phrase…

          • irhologram

            Or-Well!!! Lol This isn't about me, and quite frankly, it isn't about you.

            It's about violating Rule 3 and with this Oregon fixation she has, it has been definately WORSE in the last week, as she rides rough shod over actual facts already posted on the matter…not just a dozen times…on the same topic, many times double posting the same links…more like a dozen times an hour.

            If you don't want to report her, don't report her. But IMHO, she has now gone over the top.

            Just a fine point of distinction here….up until now, it seemed she was being reported because her views were disliked. What I am saying is that she is now in clear VIOLATION OF RULE 3. She's gone off the trolley in thinking she owns this place and exclusively controls its content, regardless of contrary, solid evidence.

            Before she seemed to be on the defensive. I've noticed a slight personality change…maybe it was there before and I just didn't see it…if so, I apologize, but to me, it seems like she's gone from a squawking, puffed-up Banty hen to a rampaging rogue elephant.

            • or-well

              irho, I don't report someone because I dislike their viewpoint. I've stated my reasons for banning anne often enough. It's about all those.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              irho…so calling Dr G a Muslim terrorist bent on getting her murdered, and calling code a violent pro nuke treasonous person bent on targeting her for murder and rape is NOT over the top, but violation of rule3 IS over the top? Only rampaging rogue elephants violate rule3, banty hens call the FBI on charges of plotting murder…gotcha

              • repeat—
                the Blue Shadow of Code must Hit the Road

              • irhologram

                Code. Hey, welcome me to the fold! I admit I ignored the stupid stuff…sorry you feel slighted by that. I just don't take seriously folks who talk like that. Maybe I should take virtual sticks and stones more seriously. Maybe they were more real than I supposed.

                But to take over the content of the Entire Blog…well…yeah, that's not very Banty hen-ish. Lol

    • bo bo

      …….irhologram…you're just realizing this.. now ?

  • Give us our website back! Trolls be damned

  • againstthegrain

    Usurping not allowed especially if it goes against your right wing agenda s.

  • againstthegrain

    Thats what I say give us our website right wing partison trolls be damned. Guess it is all bput who can beat their chest and use the t word the most. Bullies like thst but inevitibly will go further.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I think ..although I can stand to be corrected.
    The ban on mining..is coal mining.
    Does it cover government mining?

    The Bunkerville Project: Glencore Xtrata & Government Owned Gold Mines
    April 12 2014

    http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/04/bunkerville-project-glencore-xtrata-government-owned-gold-mines/#AkEGmH8RjZGSwzIB.99

  • againstthegrain

    Tearing up the land and building more nukes sure does smell funny to me ow. You not only smell funny you look funny. Guess yer part of the hive mindset. Too bad there used to be intelligent life on enenews.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    No small point of contention!

    Slaughtering Wild Horses and the BLM: A Fatal Mix
    Jan 17 2016

    http://www.thedesertinde.com/Articles-2016/JF-Slaughtering-Wild-Horses-and-the-BLM-A-Fatal-Mix–0117.html

    • Angela_R

      Re the BLM

      “The agency manages the federal government's nearly 700 million acres (2,800,000 km2) of subsurface mineral estate located beneath federal, state and private lands severed from their surface rights by the Homestead Act of 1862.
      Most BLM public lands are located in these 12 western states: Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah, Washington and Wyoming.[4] “
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Land_Management

      I repeat: the BLM exists to manage the subsurface mineral estate located beneath federal, state and private lands severed from their surface rights by the Homestead Act of 1862.

      It may be that the Porter Ranch oil spill should have been overseen by the BLM, however it appears that oil and gas were exempt from certain controls that applied to other mining activities. Does anyone know who OWNS the subsurface rights of Porter Ranch lands?

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        Angela, If you look into the history of the railroad, and BLM and corrupt government officials, you might see that the BLM owns the minerals under lots of 'private property' and they can drill baby drill and theres nothing you can do about it. The 'overseeing' is the same as 'mineral grab profiteering'

        • AirSepTech AirSepTech

          The 'overseeing' is the same as 'mineral grab profiteering'

          2 sides of the same, exact, coin.

          If your just searching back, J Paul Getty owned a lot of land, most all of the foothills around Simi Valley, plenty of oil wells.
          Rockefeller as well with Standard Oil, now Exxon and Chevron,
          the 2 largest producers/refiners in LA.

          From one of you earlier posts, it will be a convoluted search I'm sure, about 90% maybe. It all stinks.

          • AirSepTech AirSepTech

            Sorry, Also may be the Porters (family/estate/??) retain rights, get royalties, on an on.

            I'm am guessing with some knowledge as back-up.
            In Nevada, the TS Ranch had all kinds of issues/business/you name it, good and bad.

            All to do with the N. Nevada gold mines. There is a love/hate relationship with everything, hard to function without mineral trades everyday/everyway.

            • Angela_R

              AirSep. "J Paul Getty owned a lot of land, most all of the foothills around Simi Valley, plenty of oil wells.
              Rockefeller as well with Standard Oil, now Exxon and Chevron,
              the 2 largest producers/refiners in LA."
              That's Capitalism, America was built on it.

              Though, one could ask – how did they get large tracts of land? Surely not from Land Grants. Perhaps they purchased Subsurface Rights.

              Re your 5.03pm
              As I understand, gold was one of the minerals excluded from some transfers in the conveyance of Title; i.e. on those where Government withheld mineral rights. Or on those private lands where split title was allowed.

          • Angela_R

            and in recent times:

            “Fracking trespass law changes move forward despite huge public opposition
            Ministers reject 40,000 objections to allow fracking below homes without owners’ permission
            The UK government argued that the current ability for people to block shale gas development under their property would lead to significant delays and that the legal process by which companies can force fracking plans through was costly, time-consuming and disproportionate.”
            http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/sep/26/fracking-trespass-law-changes-move-forward-despite-huge-public-opposition

            Perhaps slant drilling……

            I've heard of houses being built over old mines because records were not kept, but not this, never this!

            • DUDe DUD

              "..New laws will now be passed giving automatic access for gas and oil development below 300m and a notification and compensation scheme will be run by the industry on a voluntary basis.."

              On a voluntary basis.. an algoritme of profit has no voluntary basis..to compensate.. but you know this perfectly well dont you mister bribingpig shagging fascist cultist..

              We need to invent new language to describe the evil of your kinds.. something you are also very aware of since you are pushing for draconian censorship laws dont you..you guy's are planning all this so far ahead.. its kind of you to let us still somewhat know what your up to..

              Or people , to be compensated at a voluntary bases , would lose their good sleep when a swat team burst the door and shoot the dog in the midle of the night to install a wellhead on the sink sort of speak..

            • DUDe DUD

              And all.. " for Queen and Country " ofcourse..the bribes you get for this or the job promised afterwards now that you will get booted from politics over this.. must have been worth it for you..how many of you had to be bribed and how many lives will be destroyed for it from now on ?

              Do you volunteer for a psychopathic disorder/lie detector
              test ? I think the public should have a right to demand this from their politicians..what you think , good man ?

        • Angela_R

          Thanks Code, I am catching up with US Law, in many ways it is not unlike that in Australia.

          I have read the following:

          "The General Railroad Right of Way Act of March 3, 1875 (1875 Act) granted railroad companies a 100 foot right-of-way (ROW) on public land on either side of a railroad line subject to certain terms and conditions. Thousands of miles of 1875 Act ROWs are estimated to exist on public land in the western United States."
          http://www.blm.gov/style/medialib/blm/wo/Communications_Directorate/public_affairs/news_release_attachments.Par.20306.File.tmp/MOpinionQAs.pdf

          I note it shows as Public Land. The Fed. Gov. was directed to plan layout of land around the time the U.S. Constitution was written. Many people were offered Homestead lots, which allowed surface rights, with the subsurface rights withheld. Easements for utilities may also have been marked for future use. After having complied with the conditions, the homesteader paid little if any money for their lots. To me, they seem to have been 'grants' of land.

          Unfortunately it appears that, as in many countries, future buyers have failed to peruse the deeds procured and failed to become aware of the exclusions. For them, it comes as a rude awakening.

          • AirSepTech AirSepTech

            Exactly.

            By far, paying tax is the name of the game.

            Developed land is the gov moneymaker, they have no way to do it, you do, and pay the tax.

            They just set the rules. And increasingly, change them, and that is where things go astray.

          • Angela_R

            Think correction to my post @ 4.57pm, is needed,

            researching further, I read that the separation of surface rights from the subsurface occurred at a later time:

            "Unlike the Homestead Act of 1862 or the Enlarged Homestead Act of 1909, land homesteaded under the 1916 act separated surface rights from subsurface rights, resulting in what later became known as split estates.[1] The subsurface rights, also known as mineral rights, are the foundation of recent oil and gas law in the United States.[1]"

            "Mineral rights may be severed by a deed from the surface rights. Such a condition is called a split estate. Once severed from surface ownership, oil and gas rights may be bought, sold, or transferred, like other real estate property. Ownership in the oil and gas rights for different horizontal layers, or strata, may be further divided and sold to different parties. In some states, severed mineral rights revert to the landowner if the mineral right not excersized for a certain time period.[2]"
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock-Raising_Homestead_Act

            One would hope that Deeds for Surface Rights have these encumbrances clearly noted on the Title.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              The railroad got fifty million acres of land. Nice eh? The so called split estate, where the railroad, BLM or corporation owns the minerals under your land amounts to many millions of acres across the southwest.

              http://www.landgrant.org/forfeiture.html

              The railroad land grants were rife with pork barrel politics and fraud. Actions committed in order to evade the provisions of the land grant, or to defraud the government, the public, and/or railroad shareholders, included:

              Bribery of federal and local officials.
              Threats and violence against officials, competitors, settlers, and jury members.
              Hiring dummy entrymen to evade the public sale provisions of the land grants.
              Stock watering (selling more stock than the corporation is worth) and other forms of financial manipulation and fraud.
              Illegal bankruptcy proceedings.
              False advertising in land sales.
              Diverting construction funds to real estate and non-rail ventures.
              Discriminatory rail rates which discriminated against farmers and other small shippers.
              Price-fixing, illegal kickbacks, and other sweetheart deals with interlocked corporations.
              Failure to survey and patent grant lands in order to evade property taxes.
              Holding of grant lands for real estate speculation and other non-rail purposes.
              Stealing timber from adjacent public lands.
              Poor rail service and abandonment of branch lines.
              Monopolistic agribusiness practices: railroads controlled…

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      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        Don't Tread on Me!

        Patriot Panels and Freedom Volts: Don’t Tread On Me!
        Jan 14 2016

        http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2016/01/14/patriot-panels-and-liberty-volts-dont-tread-on-me/

        "The Nevada state government has just ruined solar energy in their state. From here,

        Although Nevada is one of the sunniest places in the world, there has recently been a dark cloud hovering over the rooftop solar industry in the state. Just before Christmas, Nevada’s public utility commission (PUC) gave the state’s only power company, NV Energy, permission to charge higher rates and fees to solar panel users – a move that immediately shattered the rooftop solar industry’s business model.

        In addition to the new monthly fee, … customers … will get less back from the utility for energy their solar panels capture and feed into the main power grid. Whereas previously they received full retail value for their surplus electricity, soon NV Energy will only pay a third of that price for exported electricity."

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Did you think your masters cared about you?

          They don't!

          As solely owned assets called human livestock they only see you as more money for each of them and their buddies.

          Always follow the money since it always ends up leading to some sort of scam..

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