*Experts on Fukushima Unit 4* CNBC: “Far from under control, could get a lot worse” – Japan Times: “Could very quickly get much worse” – CNN: “Could still get a lot worse” — “Tokyo, Yokohama, even neighboring countries at serious risk” (VIDEO)

Published: August 30th, 2013 at 4:09 pm ET
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The Japan Times (Professor Andrew Dewit and Dr. Chrisopher Hobson), Aug 29, 2013: [...] The Economist calls Fukushima a “nightmare,” and the editors of Bloomberg deem it “ground zero” for the Abe government. [...] While it may be politically inconvenient for Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to accept, it is time to intervene and take over the plant before it is too late. [...] Japan has been very lucky that nothing worse has occurred [...] things could very quickly get much worse. In November, Tepco plans to begin the delicate operation of removing spent fuel from Reactor No. 4 [with] radiation equivalent to 14,000 times the amount released by the Hiroshima atomic bomb. [...] It remains vulnerable to any further shocks, and is also at risk from ground liquefaction. Removing its spent fuel, which contains deadly plutonium, is an urgent task. [...] the consequences could be far more severe than any nuclear accident the world has ever seen. If a fuel rod is dropped, breaks or becomes entangled while being removed, possible worst case scenarios include a big explosion, a meltdown in the pool, or a large fire. Any of these situations could lead to massive releases of deadly radionuclides into the atmosphere, putting much of Japan — including Tokyo and Yokohama — and even neighboring countries at serious risk. [...]

CNBC, Aug. 30, 2013: The radioactive leak at Japan’s Fukushima nuclear plant is far from under control and could get a lot worse, a nuclear energy expert, who compiles the annual “World Nuclear Industry Status Report” warned.  [...] The big danger – and it was identified by Japan’s atomic energy commission – is if you lose water in one of the spent fuel pools and you get a spent fuel fire. This would lead to respiratory contamination.” This would be a worse-case scenario and could lead to the mass evacuation of 10 million people in the Tokyo region, which is 150 miles to the south of the Fukushima plant, [energy expert Mycle] Schneider warned. [...]

CNN (Mycle Schneider, nuclear consultant), Aug. 30, 2013: [...] the situation could still get a lot worse. A massive spent fuel fire would likely dwarf the current dimensions of the catastrophe and could exceed the radioactivity releases of Chernobyl dozens of times. First, the pool walls could leak beyond the capacity to deliver cooling water or a reactor building could collapse following one of the hundred  of aftershocks. Then, the fuel cladding could ignite spontaneously releasing its entire radioactive inventory. [...]

Watch Professor DeWit discussing the issue on CTV News here

Published: August 30th, 2013 at 4:09 pm ET
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  • 21stCentury 21stCentury

    TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE..

    ..I HAVE BEEN YELLING THIS FOR THE PAST 2.5 YEARS

    Every minute is a miracle in this mess…

    This Nuke disaster is 1000-times worse than all the wars fought since the last time US-Congress declared war in 1941, and the idiots have been at war ever since because it's so much fun ??

    Why Obamalamadingdong hasn't declared PEACE and focused 100% on eliminating the NukeMess avalanche of first Fukushima, and next 500 other nukemess's waiting to happen worldwide in a ageing collapsing filthy industry, it's beyond me…

    …too much money-orgy going on in WARshingtoon District of Criminals to even care if their own ass is on fire.

    Screw everybody who looks like a moose in the headlights…

    …I volunteer to build the new bigger breakwater, that's a close as I wanna get to that mess before banking my bone marrow in the freezer.
    I'll do that too if I have to !!


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  • weeman

    Maybe the media can get the answers to the questions we have posed here on enenews for two and a half years, good luck in breaking the code of silence, now get to work, I still believe that their still exists somewhere a real journalist!? But I still believe in santa of course.
    What would we be feed if it was not for the Internet, think about it, it is our only way to reach out. Peace and harmony will prevail, for it is rightish, period.
    Be well my fellow minions.


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  • "…putting …even neighboring countries at serious risk."
    – Japan Times

    Initially, that would be the entire Pacific rim.

    "…it seems clear now that we [ALL] have been misled about the scale of the problem confronting Japan."
    – CNN article

    IMO – That's a huge understatement. I wish the media and others would stop trying to compare this to Chernobyl too.

    Chernobyl was/is still a major catastrophe.
    Fukushima is a MEGA catastrophe and a SUPER MEGA one possibly around the corner.

    What are they waiting for? Why so many delays and lies?
    Maybe they've known from the beginning there is no solution?

    That's just how it seems to me. hmm…?


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  • MichaelV MichaelV

    The evacuation of Tokyo is the solution…they won't announce that until the last possible moment.

    It will be the death knell of the nuclear industry…


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    • kintaman kintaman

      We evacuated Tokyo (Japan even) in the week following 3.11. I saw the shit coming toward the fan and was having none of it. I love Japan, it was my home, but I do not love it enough to stay living in nuclear fallout and question everything I eat (I still do even outside of Japan though). Forget that. Everyone in Japan needs to open their eyes but they never will.

      It is already too late. There is nothing us stupid humans can do to fix this disaster.


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      • InfoPest InfoPest

        We humans can be pretty imaginative while being stupid. How about we pick a day when the wind at Daiichi is blowing towards North Korea and then drop a 500 Megaton nuke on Daiichi. Obviously there's the problem of all those other people to the northwest, like China and Russia but take a page from history. Hang up a banner that says "mission accomplished" and hit the links in Texas.


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      • Au Au

        I'm learning Spanish and at some point next year I will say Hasta luego and pop up in the southern hemisphere to say Buenos dias.

        This nuclear nightmare is so unfortunate….and VERY sad. I feel so sorry for our children. SO grievious.
        Imagine when Hawaii's ocean is boiling and then the west coast. Who imagined it would boil the oceans? Time for a double chocolate martini because that is going to fix everything. Not.
        Back to Rosetta Stone espanol. Scheisse. Can't we just live without all these clowns cooking up anhilation from GMOs to chemtrails to vaccines to nuclear? There's no way out of this accident. You can buy time maybe. If, you haven't already inhaled a nuke flea or swallowed a hot particle.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Then Seattle and then Portland and then Vancouver and then San Francisco and then San Diego and then in 5 years we move inward to the valley cities evacuations.

    This will give us plenty of time to set up emergency triage centers as the populations are forcibly moved eastward towards the Atlantic Ocean.

    The body counts will be huge and expected and who will pay for it all is the next question.

    This needs to start no later than October of this year and preparations are now being made.


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    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      Forgive me if I sound a tad selfish, but I'm really glad I'm 80 and never had children. It will not be too hard for me to bid adieau to this veil of tears which runs on such stupidity.

      I hope you all find the right ways to suit you.


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      • Steve_G Steve_G

        Agree 100% dharmasyd, I'm only 65 but feel the same, I have a bad ticker so my time is almost done. I'm pissed off, cynical, disillusioned, and feel like the bastards won the war of lies, obfuscation and thuggery since W.W.II. I hope they rot like the rest of us old sods!


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  • Lacsap Lacsap

    Even if the spent fuel gets fire Tokyo will not be evacuated. Impossible to evacuate 10million people in time or do they have teleporters at home? No.. wind will come magically from the west and goes out over pacific sea to USA, good enough for the Gov and Tepco to ensure the public they are safe.


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    • kintaman kintaman

      This is why we left asap after 3.11. I was not going to wait for the masses to leave and be stuck in that mess. The time to leave for us was when we did. It is very painful to think about still as we miss home (Japan), family and friends terribly. But it was the only acceptable choice.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    The evacuated Japanese population can then be moved into our vacated west coast cities and that will at least give them a little more time and also get them a little farther away from their boiling ocean seaside.

    American's will cooperate fully, since they have no choice in these matters at hand.

    We Americans must move east quickly and we must do it now! No need to sell anything!

    The entire west coast of America will be gifted to the Japanese refugees that will soon be arriving.

    Expect to find everything dropped in place and awaiting for their personal use and very similar to the quickly vacated location/cities that are called Chernobyl and Fukushima.

    What is ours is now yours! Welcome to America!


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  • J.

    There is much talk of evacuation Tokyo but I cannot imagine how it could be done. Pregnant women, children of a certain age, perhaps could be relocated. Everyone? It truly is inconceivable to me. I think the government would rapidly institute radical protection and mitigation programs, and the majority of residents would comply with the new order. It evacuation occurs, it would likely be to Hokkaido and Kyushu.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    I am just wondering if their will be any litigants left for/inside the/our analog world?


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    oops..I am just wondering if "there" will be any litigants left for/inside the/our analog world?

    Can anyone imagine any world without litigants?


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  • I"m just guessing big bad dreams about this all the time.
    What if the Unit 4 SFP ignites…not just reach criticality but becomes the unextinquishable fire we've all heard about.
    I'm thinking they would have to nuke the SOB to disperse it as a preferred scenario to allowing to burn till the end of time…
    of course if it slid into the ground deep and covered it would still burn for all eternity but we'd be looking at more noble gases and trapped particles which might result in a subsequent megalithic explosion blowing the last remnants of the area to smithereans..
    i mean if it traps tritium and other little cooking spices.
    Ka – Bang!

    well i'll sleep better this evening if someone here can disprove all this!


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  • Kassandra

    Please see collection of circumstantial evidence of nuclear criticalities here http://www.academia.edu/4314657/Fukushima_Update_Aug_2013

    or here https://www.dropbox.com/s/11xz1zjgwcsbpo0/Fukushima%20Update%20Aug%202013.pptx

    See a complete index of posts based on research and analysis of the Fukushima disaster here: http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2013/06/links-fukushima-nuclear-crisis.html

    I'm sorry to say, with near certainty, that spent fuel pools have already burned at least partially, including unit 4
    http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2012/09/unit-4-is-there-intact-fuel-left.html

    Read the comments and view the links in Enenews' Webcam discussion forum.

    The evidence is pretty good that we are already in worst case scenario.

    Let us acknowledge that and move quickly to evacuations and expanded testing of food, water, and air.

    QUICKLY.


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    • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

      Go back in the comments over the years, you will see it has been going on for a long time. I, myself, have seen many criticalities, I have watched stuff shoot out of the roofs, I have watched unit 2 sink inches.. and I have not even watched in nearly a year. I got too stressed to function.. I could only watch and report, couldn't make dinner or help my kids with their homework.. I see some of you doing this, it is good work, but remember to not obsess to the point of not enjoying the time that you do have with your friends and family. They need you too :)


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      • dharmasyd dharmasyd

        Cataclysmic gives good advice. Those of us who have been here since March 2011 have watched too many people burn out, flame out, blow out in anger or frustration. Remember to enjoy. be based in reality, but also enjoy.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Acceptance of one's current reality should be tranquil and peaceful and never about any anger…

    Climbing out of the Rabbit Hole towards the bright light is the final process in one's enlightenment..


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  • lickerface lickerface

    I do fear the day my Geiger shows outside being too radioactive, as I would likely sob while duct taping the cracks along the windows and doors, sealing my family inside for who knows how long. Then we would truly be at the mercy of our own officials, having to question their reports. I don't want to be a slave to this.


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    • razzz razzz

      Since they can't stop Fuk-us anytime tomorrow, we are past the point of no return. No worries as the allowable amounts of internal and external radiation exposures keep being raised. Why do government official even bother with it? Probably don't have any offspring to care for, shooting blanks.


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    • Au Au

      It would be nice if radiation would not go through our houses or apartments.
      My thyroid was swollen all week. Still is.
      Epa gamma chart below. They zeroed it down on the August 22, so you can imagine what it would look like if they did not. I followed charts on http://www.netc, beta count, and radiation was on a steady climb from their baselines from San Francisco to Denver to Detroit. For sure, this climbing happened east of Detroit too.
      http://www.epa.gov/radnet/radnet-data/radnet-detroit-bg.html
      The saw tooth pattern started on August 13th or sooner. Must be something big happened at Fuku a week or so before.

      Writing is on the wall or should I say – the graph paper. We are getting smashed with this radiation and it's such crap. It will get worse.

      I've been taking extensive readings (every 15 minutes) when I do fly. Would not want to be a someone who flys often. Readings, with the geiger mueller tube covered with a protective plastic flap (alpha particles were blocked) over Lake Michigan on the way to Minnesota, April 21, 2013 read 3.7 microsieverts and 1,018 CPM (10 minute average).
      Nuked in the skies.


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    • Sadly, radiation does not respect duct tape or plastic. It hardly notices houses.

      All radiation is taken in internally eventually, so no matter what one does externally, it does not completely avoid the risk; just delays it.

      Everyone eventually has to come out of a bomb shelter.

      Everyone eventually has to eat, breathe, drink water.

      That is the equal opportunity part of radiation.

      Everyone gets some, no matter what.

      Yes, definitely work on reducing dosages, move to lower radiation contaminated areas, eat organic, and do preventative things.

      But even these are not 100%.

      The only 100% solution is to get rid of all nuclear power plants and weapons.


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  • W8R W8R

    Every nuclear site (over 1000 worldwide) ever created is a potential disaster waiting to happen. Hanford goes back 70+ years.
    Every mess created since is still a mess.
    And "packing up and running" buys about as much time as it costs.
    "Shut them all down" is a great slogan.
    But they are actually safer running. So maybe:
    "Run them all down and never refuel theme would b e better.
    All nuclear material, regardless of its location, is a threat.
    We have exceeded Natures limit of 239. She cannot deal with elements beyond those which existed in nature..
    How many elements above that have been released into the environment?? You dont wanna know….
    We cannot undo it and we cannot clean it up.
    3 masses of critical material have been released. Hundreds of tons.
    2 choices..
    1. They spread out, cool down, and poison the planet.
    2. They gather together, remain critical, and open a magma vent.

    Thanks guys. Nice choice. TPTB have lit a fuse we cannot put out.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    I believe unspent fuel is better/safer than spent fuel.

    Ergo: Shut them all down and do it now and do it quickly!


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    We must not be tempted with the sweet taste of Nuclear Energy and/or any promise of this form of progressive seduction, as the technology results we see achieved are based on one simple word.. causality.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR3fSL9WMdg

    Enjoy!


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  • Ah, CodeShutdown, you've got a pen and a paper out and seen the logistics nightmare. Now tell me, without planes, and with a very broken steam railway, how were "6 Million" moved 1939-44. . .


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