Experts: Plutonium levels 10,000,000 times normal in water below Fukushima reactors — Plutonium hit record high off coast in 2014 — “Has been transported relatively long distances” – Every sample taken from rivers flowing into Pacific had Pu-239, Pu-240, Pu-241,and Pu-242 from plant

Published: July 10th, 2015 at 3:50 pm ET


Scientists from Japan’s National Institute of Radiological Sciences, Hirosaki University, and Peking University (pdf), May 2015 (emphasis added): Pu Distribution in Seawater in the Near Coastal Area off Fukushima… the amount of Pu isotopes directly released into the marine environment remains unknown. In the high level radioactive accumulated water collected at the FDNPP after the accident, high level radioactivities of Pu isotopes (ca. 10-3 Bq/mL) were detected. These values were 6 to 7 orders of magnitudes [1,000,000 – 10,000,000 times] higher than that of the seawater in the western North Pacific. In addition, a new study on Pu isotopes… suggested there was a potential sediment-borne Pu supply from Fukushima coastal rivers to the Pacific Ocean. Thus more attention should be paid to the contamination situation of Pu isotopes in the marine environment off Fukushima since the FDNPP accident… Pu isotopes in seawater… needs to be routinely investigated… There are two sampling sites close to the FDNP… 239+240Pu concentrations in seawater were reported in 2012-2014 and the range was from detection limit to 14 mBq/m3 except 31 mBq/m3 observed at T-2-1 site on 10 April 2014.

Scientists from Japan, Belgium, and French gov’t (pdf), 2015: Tracing the dispersion of contaminated sediment with plutonium isotope measurements in coastal catchments of Fukushima Prefecture — The Fukushima Dai-ichi Nuclear Power Plant (FDNPP) accident led to important releases of radionuclides into the environment, and trace levels of plutonium (Pu) were detected in northeastern Japan… In this study, we measured Pu isotopic ratios in recently deposited sediments along rivers draining the most contaminated part of the inland radioactive plume… Results showed that the entire range of measured Pu isotopes (i.e. 239Pu, 240Pu, 241Pu, and 242Pu) were detected in all samples, although in extremely low concentrations. The 241Pu/239Pu atom ratios measured in sediment deposits (0.0017 – 0.0884) were significantly higher than the corresponding values attributed to the global fallout (0.00113 – 0.00008 on average in the Northern Hemisphere between 31-71 N)… These results demonstrate that this radionuclide has been transported relatively long distances… and deposited in rivers representing a potential source of Pu to the ocean.

See also: Plutonium-241 from Fukushima nearly 70,000 times more than atomic bomb fallout in Japan — Gov’t Labs: Large areas of oceans contaminated by plutonium from events such as Fukushima; Build-up in biosphere expected; Considerable hazard to humans

Published: July 10th, 2015 at 3:50 pm ET


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  • HoTaters N

    Ode to the Seas.

    Remembering Ken Buessler's comment in a recent article where he stated Plutonium was visible floating on the water in or near the harbor of Fukushima Daichi plant (offshore). Was that in 2011 that Buessler claimed the Plutonium was visible and floating on top of the water?

    Here it is:

  • DeadAhead

    Thanks Dr.G for your 10 things and obewan, others for you links and I have seen some of but sadly I watch what I have not. "our job is to shed light not to master" GD

  • rogerthat

    Institute of Contemporary Asian Studies (ICAS)

    [ICAS Symposium] Disaster Discourses, Public Policy and the Politics of 3.11

    Friday, July 17, 2015
    Arnold M. Howitt (Executive Director of the Ash Center for Democratic Governance and Innovation at the John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University)

    David Giles (Associate Director of the Program on Crisis Leadership (PCL) at the John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University)

    Hiromi Akiyama (Ph.D. candidate in political science at George Mason University and pre-doctoral fellow at Harvard Kennedy School)

    James Simms (Forbes Contributor and freelance reporter and television and radio commentator in Tokyo)

    Scott Gabriel Knowles (Associate Professor and Interim Department Head of the Department of History at Drexel University

    Mita Hall, Temple University, Japan Campus

    If possible, we ask you to register by E-mail ( , but we always welcome participants even you do not register. / 参加登録はなしでも参加できますので、直接会場へお越しください。
    Check out this event's Facebook page for discussions.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

      TEPCO Executive Resigns as Navy Lawsuit Steams Ahead
      July 11, 2015
      “…In December of 2013, the Japanese Prime Minister, Naoto Kan, admitted that the first meltdown in the four reactors occurred a brief five hours after the earthquake that spawned the tsunami that overtook the Fukushima facility. Since then, three of the four reactors have been acknowledged to have experienced a meltdown. The fourth is still inaccessible, yet TEPCO continues to earn billions of annual profits….

      "However, nuclear discharge will heat the waters as well…

      “The global impact of the Fukushima disaster cannot be overlooked. As early as 2011, milk from cows in Iowa contained the Cesium 134 and 137 isotopes that were used in the Fukushima reactors. Bonner says the the salmon and tuna in the western Pacific now will be on our dinner plates within two years. The United States has restricted beef from Japan, and some agricultural activists have even imported cows from within the affected radius of Fukushima to the United States in an attempt to save their lives as well….

      “On the bright side [????], TEPCO’s profits continue to impress investors. The fallout from this lawsuit may not just cost one TEPCO executive his job. Bonner’s lawsuit may be a cancer for the international economy, and a cancer for the Trans-Pacific Partnership also, as inhabitants of several nations are affected by the negligence of one company in one nation.”

    • Many thanks RT! Your dedication to current news and daily updates is astounding. "The every morning RogerThat News Station" 🙂

    • ISPC

      Yes. rogerthat. TY. It would be impossible to overestimate the importance of this lawsuit. Peace

  • razzz razzz

    'Maunder Minimum – Petri Dish of Political Change'

    "…No human intervention can avert the Maunder Minimum or volcanic eruptions, halt an El Niño episode or delay the onset of drought, despite the possibility that each could cause starvation, economic dislocation and political instability. So sorry. I do not ask for donations to prevent this from unfolding. We do possess both the resources and the technology to prepare for them. It is possible to grow food in your basement without land. Hydroponics may become a very valuable asset.

    In the 17th century, the fatal synergy of weather, wars and rebellions killed millions amounting to about one-third of the population. A natural catastrophe of analogous proportions today would kill billions. It would also produce dislocation and violence, and compromise international security, sustainability and cooperation. Country borders will more likely change and vanish altogether.

    So while we argue over Global Warming, we should look at history rather than fake research that attributes everything to the invention of the combustion engine dating at the start of the 20th century and respect that there just may be long-term cycles at work that can be documented from real data."

  • razzz razzz

    'Japan turns to robotic suit HAL (hybrid assisted limb) as Work Force Ages'

    "…Japan has a real problem. Its population is just over 127 million and the new births are just 1 million annually.Japan is a country with one of the highest rates of people living past their 100th birthday while the youth are not even dating no less marrying and having children. The youth has virtually just stopped having kids almost altogether. This trend is impacting many countries, but not to the extent of Japan. As the economy turns down, people do not want children that they feel they cannot afford to raise.

    Japan’s population at the current trend will decline by 20 million as they reach 2040. This is causing huge problems for they need workers to work longer in life to keep up production. Cyberdyne is coming to the rescue creating the scaled down version of their full-body robotic suit HAL (hybrid assisted limb) introduced in 2013. They are partnering with the airport to assist elderly workers handle heavier loads."

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      Could it be that merely the presence of a nearby nuclear power reactor inhibits the mating instinct? Any studies?

      When I was in Japan, the only magazine around had a "comic" depicting a rape of a school girl, she changed from resisting to enjoying it.

      At a shop with a Playboy rabbit sticker on the window, the shop keeper reacted like I was cussing in a church when I asked if they had a Playboy magazine?

      Maybe he just wanted the fucking American to go away. I experience getting cussed and reviled by an old Japanese woman and some young boys for just walking in the street. So that was probably what happened. Whoever wrote this matrix can kiss my butt.

      The world sucks. Who would want kids? I guess if you bury your head in entertainment it's bearable.

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        "the only magazine around had a 'comic."

        —on the Japanese train I was on.

        WTF? I was thinking.

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        "depicting a rape of a school girl, she changed from resisting to enjoying it."

        Where did ..I hear a rape scenario recently…lolol..

        "Who would want kids?"
        Lots of people want children.
        Many may prove to be sorry for the choice.

        Yesterday at the lake. There was, I'd say a Quaker. The women's hair covered in a small scarf, the father and Abe Lincoln beard.
        A handful of kids , the baby with bluest eyes.
        A traditional family.
        I smiled at her and she smiled back.
        Our family, female head of household, overly tanned, but equally shy set of jocks sat in peace , not really speaking much for hours.
        She observing my family, me observing hers.

        We observed family.
        I could see it in the husbands eyes.
        Through his hands and ways, he and his children will stand before Creation.

        This is why people knowingly have children.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

          Do you have to post misogynist, sadistic exploitation of women in this thread?

        • unincredulous unincredulous

          I mean who would want to have children born into this world now? And believe me, I scolded many people over the years for this attitude I have now. But know, what would I tell a child? "No monsters. No, and our government keeps us safe. Bwa-hhaaaa-ha."

          • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

            I know ..but if I had told that fellow that the world sucks.
            He would of told me ..I lacked faith.

            PS. Many don't understand. I'm not even sure it is in the realm of their thinking.
            And it's not a insult.
            They're innocent.
            Telling them it could be the end of God's glory ..they won't believe salvation awaits.
            Why blaspheme?

            • unincredulous unincredulous

              No sense ruining a perfect moment.

              Blasheme not good. God is good, and I think Jesus is the only Christian sometimes.

              I don't believe in Planned Parenthood's agenda. But to everything there is a season. I don't think it's time to have children, but the Bible says life will continue and people will get married until Judgement Day.

              I just am so discouraged. My ten bucks an hour job (more than some)the cost of everything, the excesses of the rich. Anger doesn't help, I know.

              I am mad, and I am not going to take it any more! I'm not? Well, I guess I am. I will keep eating whatever crap is in the store, except fish, take a multivitamin, and hope for the best. Maybe I should overturn shopping carts on Sunday. Don't know what to feel.

              • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                I do believe in Planned Parenthood.
                And I should know exactly ..but don't remember, the portion of the UN charter on Human Right's, that addresses a women's rights to her physical person and efforts toward family management.

                I believe it should be free and enveloped with 'women's health'.

                • unincredulous unincredulous

                  In Japan, they are performing an abortion on the ocean. It's their ocean, they can do what they want with it. (rhetorical statement)

                • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                  I believe planned parenthood should also be based on cooperation instead of competition , like all human activity that influences the entire species..

                  • unincredulous unincredulous

                    OT, but: a woman aborts (abandonment with malice} a child —that's the end of it. A man abandons a woman — he has to pay child support. WTF?

                    It's her body, it's her child – is the argument one moment, and then it's not.

                    Sounds like the nuclear lobby: The radioactive fallout is yours after it crosses power plant property lines! Whatever argument is cost effective.

              • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                What I tell my children about having children, is another matter.
                A painful matter.

          • unincredulous unincredulous

            After 9-11-01, I remember Condoleeza Rice saying that the Bush administration was doing what it did, because they did not want to wait until it was a nuclear bomb going off in New York.

            Well, nuclear plants are killing people. All they do is lie and cover it up and build more.

            Donald Rumsfeld and his unknown unknowns…


            Now you know!

            I feel SO safe…when I was growing up in Owensboro, KY I remember the designated falllut shelter was at the national gaurd armory here. Well they just tore that down…

            I remember a tornado in Witchita Falls, TX years ago. Everyone went to the designated tornado shelter. Women and children waited outside of the "shelter" because it had 2-three feet of water standing in it.

            If I had a job with a living wage…maybe I could have a child… if a nuclear plant melted down, I could stuff the kids in a storm drain and oh! thank God I don't live below the Boone Reservoir dam!

        • Does not sound like Quakers… more like Mennonites or Amish.

        • Marcie

          Heart….I would rather not see hateful, misogynistic quotes, whatever the justification for sharing them. A lot of women have been raped and molested…and I assure you…it's NEVER funny.

          • cannotdo1 cannotdo1

            rape is terrible and evil beastly. cildren born into this world as a product of rape must have terrible lives and to the woman who was raped that would be pretty unbearable to. rapists are put away for good reason. japanese society has some perversities that are inexcusable same for republicans that try to justify rape her. same for gang rapes in india. its evil. but uni was not justifying rape. 2.5 to 3 million americans locked up in prison half for non violent crimes for long periods. many in private prisons where there is little or no medical care and they get fed rotten hot dogs to save money. no airconditioning or fans in places like florida where its 90percent humid and 103 degrees. forced labor at 23cents an hour. poor supervision so many are raped. most of the mentally ill people tgere kept in solitary. the same gop senators who say rape is ok started the private prison corporations. bill and melinda gates have 3 million invested in private prisons. billds gates is said to have millions personally invested in private prisons. profitable like chinese selling inmate oragans only they do not have nearly as many locked up and their ecinomy is doing much better than ours. how beastly and inhumane can people be?

          • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

            I simply paraphrased ..unincredulous.
            Guh, guh,,guh..
            What cha want folks?

            • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

              What's it about, people?

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                Rape is attempted murder and results in a murder of one's identity and soul.

                I took a self defense class and our teacher told us that if you are still alive after a rape you did the right thing.

                “..over the course of a five-year college career, between 1/5 and 1/4 of college women would experience rape or attempted rape…
                “Fact: Studies show that the major motive for rape is power, not sex. Sex is used as a weapon to inflict pain, violence and humiliation. Most rapists appear to have normal personalities with an abnormal tendency to be aggressive and violent. Between 2/3 and 3/4 of sexual assaults are planned in advance….”

                Things Not to Say to a Survivor of a Sexual Crime

              • cannotdo1 cannotdo1

                a lot of the media and right wingnut religious freaks have been saying dumn stuff about the r word lately uni is not one of them rose is not nobody at enenews has. politics in this country are really outrageous

            • cannotdo1 cannotdo1

              yah thats wat i thought too. unis a good guy. hes got a good sense of humor. hes progressive well educated well travelled. he was mostly talking about japanese peole being stressed the their ptb bein jerks. no reason to get so carried away. i wasnt criticising you rose cause u r right too you obvously love kids. uni feels for kids too.

            • unincredulous unincredulous

              That's all you did.

              And all I did was say what I saw . I was not advocating rape, I thought it would be an example of why Japan is ironic to me in some ways.
              I had heard that there are no pornographic magazines in Japan. So when I saw the Playboy emblem on the window, I had to ask. Then the shopkeeper acted like I had done something wrong.

              Japan state secret: Vagina
              Japan state secret: Nuclear meltdowns

              Maybe the coffee table magazine is the only place state secrets are allowed.

              Japan… grow the fuck up.


              Did not expect the pit bull attack on Heart. At first skipped right over my post. Makes my suspicious side think that some computer program was set to generate arguments against Heart.

              Hold on, Let me check my coffee table. have a magazine…

              • unincredulous unincredulous

                They don't have shows like "The Daily Show" with John Stewart?

                John Stewart thinks it's odd when his comedy is more news than Fox news. He claims to be a comic, while Fox news masquerades as "the news."

                So We have the same phenomena happening here, too. The funny pages sometimes make political points.

                The television series "Hogan's Heroes" used comedy to revisit a tragic past. Maybe we need a similar show about TMI, Chernobyl, and Fukushima, to highlight the tragic nuclear issues. "I know nothing!"

              • clamshellernh clamshellernh

                The Majortity hear got it , some just can't do the group think and let it go , out causing polarizing us here must stop I don't give a shot how good a researcher is ..we are a group of like minded concerned group , and a few bad Pples are not going to ruining our threads …

    • cannotdo1 cannotdo1

      japan is in deep doo doo as is the united states and all nuclear countries. the 9 generational live of the human genome that is started by the destruction and damage to dna and rna in mitochndia from lots of lots of low level and high level radiation and radionucleides around raced down to 2 catgeneational genome lives inlives in bellarys after chernobyl. 85 percent of the children of a country of 10 million now have serious heart defects.

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        And they are building more reactors there. 15% must take care of other 85%. How are they supposed to find time to go to work at these new nuclear plants?

        Nuclear power is a perversion.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    10,000,000 times normal

    Tepco can't even fuck up right… but they can fuck up pretty good. They are practicing for fuck up Olympics or the pain Olympics or something

  • Reverse Engineer

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  • rogerthat


    Full documentary Fukushima Daiichi's Hidden Crises Radioactive Water NHK Documentary 02

    Published on Jul 11, 2015
    Myles Prado
    1hr 30min video


    Alaska Dispatch News July 10, 2015
    More whales found dead in southern Alaska waters
    by Yereth Rosen

    • That is worrying, because those waters are normally where whales feed and build up energy storing blubber for the long migration south.

      If they are dying up there in above normal numbers, that is BAD NEWS.. and even worse will follow as they migrate south with insufficient blubber stores due to missing food resources in the ocean.

  • cannotdo1 cannotdo1

    Peace through plutonium
    The peaceful atom
    War is peace from orwells 1984
    Mutually assured destruction
    Defense is the best offense and the only thing that can insure peace

    The Genius Of The Crowd By Charles Bukowski
    there is enough treachery, hatred violence absurdity in the average
    human being to supply any given army on any given day

    and the best at murder are those who preach against it
    and the best at hate are those who preach love
    and the best at war finally are those who preach peace

    those who preach god, need god
    those who preach peace do not have peace
    those who preach peace do not have love

    beware the preachers
    beware the knowers
    beware those who are always reading books
    beware those who either detest poverty
    or are proud of it
    beware those quick to praise
    for they need praise in return
    beware those who are quick to censor
    they are afraid of what they do not know
    beware those who seek constant crowds for
    they are nothing alone
    beware the average man the average woman
    beware their love, their love is average
    seeks average

    but there is genius in their hatred
    there is enough genius in their hatred to kill you
    to kill anybody
    not wanting solitude
    not understanding solitude
    they will attempt to destroy anything
    that differs from their own
    not being able to create art
    they will not understand art
    they will consider their failure as creators
    only as a failure of the world
    not being able to…

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

      "..but there is genius in their hatred…"

      There is no genius in hatred. Hatred is complete lack of any brains and lack of any heart.

    • The class hierarchy of Oceania has three levels:
      (I) the upper-class Inner Party, the elite ruling minority, who make up 2% of the population.
      (II) the middle-class Outer Party, who make up 13% of the population.
      (III) the lower-class Proles (from proletariat), who make up 85% of the population and represent the uneducated working class.
      As the government, the Party controls the population with four ministries:
      the Ministry of Peace deals with war and defence.
      the Ministry of Plenty deals with economic affairs (rationing and starvation).
      the Ministry of Love deals with law and order (torture and brainwashing).
      the Ministry of Truth deals with news, entertainment, education and art (propaganda).

      Sounds like reality…

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    What, what?
    No rose upon the sleeve?
    The 'witch' going to win!

    Nuclear fallout? I blame Mr Burns from The Simpsons, says Atomic Energy Authority chair, Lady Judge

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      She's a nuclear pet. I hadn't given a thought to nuclear until Fukushima 3-11-11.

      Homer looks like an environmentalist compared to the real nuclear stooges.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    But then..
    How can I compete with the "Atomic Kitten"?

    We're pleased with Britain's pay rise, purrs the bosses' 'Atomic Kitten': Forceful directors' leader delivers a mixed Budget verdict

  • Sickputer

    Lady Judge: "There is a chance you could have a big accident, but if you do the real research, you’ll find that few people have lost their lives, compared with other things."

    SP: That lie of only a few humans die from fallout is the reason the industry survives. The nuclear fallout killer of millions is protected by international government medical obfuscation and also incompetence to ascribe death specifics. Humans die of cancer, heart and vascular issues by the tens of millions every year (over 50 million).

    Yes, the nucleoape nations control the worldwide health and death data and manipulate the citizens with Big Brother guile. The WHO keeps the death score, but true causation is a joke.

    The bigger the government/special interests stakes…the bigger the lies. Stalin had it right long ago. A single death is a family and community tragedy. Fifty million dead is just a statistic.

    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

      A cartoon, she referenced a cartoon, in light of the situation, how can it be anything but completely galling.
      I'm sure she knows, under the smugness in her frozen facial expressions.

    • PlowboyGrownUp

      Beware that Lady Barbara Judge. . Lady Judge became a Commander of the Order of the British Empire in June..(the article doesn't come up) from this link lady_barbara_
      Beware her. (wiki – The American Bill Gates was appointed a Knight Commander of the Order and is entitled to use the post-nominal letters KBE but is not addressed as Sir Bill or Sir Bill Gates"

    • PlowboyGrownUp

      SP, from your link there's a lot of respiratory diseases. Lot's of people breath polluted (and radiated air – not shown in the WHO information 🙁
      I wouldn't doubt that the ischemic heart disease (the most cases) has a lot of its causes by air pollution resulting in breathing problems.

  • clamshellernh clamshellernh

    On the beach , Atlantic …taking pics hopefully I can get them on here ..I'll be on later ..also getting info from seaweed council in Maine ..stock will like that ..have a glorious day if your on the east coast …mass coast ..with our own jaws that are not too far from here ..she teen footers ..but assholesare taking folks out to catch little ones but it's all in the dam chum ….many blessings my Enewsers.

    • PlowboyGrownUp

      Glad you're back, clamshell

    • Clamshell; do you have access to a geiger counter? If not, wondering if you might mind picking up some of that kelp and drying it out, slipping into an envelope & sending down to me?
      I would like to get samples from all around US and Canadian coasts. Would like to get samples before there are no samples left. And I would like to begin testing them with my g/c…, just to prove the theory (theories.)

      Anyone who's close to the shore(s); would you mind doing same?

      • Do you have a pancake detector on your Geiger Counter Anne?

        Otherwise, if not, probably not worth attempting…

        • What's a pancake detector? (A spatula?)
          I was going to put the (dried) items into a plastic bag, after testing the bag(s) to get baseline.., same as I do (have done, do each time) when I test the planters.
          Why have a geiger counter and not use it? I know I can take off the cover and add a different probe, if I want to, or there are other add-ons or changes I can make, should I decide. I'd just have to spend some time researching it and ask lots of questions.

          • Can Geiger Counters Detect Plutonium? Difference Between Tube And Pancake Style Radiation Detectors

            • Oh, but I don't want to look for (specifically) plutonium. I'm happy to check for anything. Besides, I figure most of what we'd see comes from uranium/man-made uranium, "daughters". I know the little counter I have is not going to tell me, specifically, what we have. I just want to see how much of a change there is between what they like to call, "normal background", and what is in the soil or in the kelp or in the food.

              Now I need to cut up and grind some peppers, from last Fall (been drying for quite a while) and see if the counts in them is as high as it has been in my planter. I just got readings from here.
              Outside of the pot, by the front door: 12CPM…
              Inside of the pot (measured for an hour): high: 49CPM, current: 43CPM

              It is not a lot of info, but it shows me something is up, and maybe I want to send in some of this soil to see what is really in there?

              • Tube type counters are so insensitive, you may only be seeing 10% of what is really there..

                Not trying to discourage you, but as soon as you can, save up and then get a pancake style Geiger Counter, and/or even more sensitive equipment.

              • Good just to take your background count for a couple weeks for starters…the cheaper tube types will get you going if it's a money concern. Don't wait. You'll want to notice changes where you are.

                My GMC320plus (tube type) and expensive PRM9000 (pancake) are very similar reading counts when on their uSv/h settings when held side by side. The air currents are so erratic'll see that change constantly as you walk around or hold them high or low.

                Right now both are fluctuating an average .10uSv/h with one or the other flipping below or above the other's count every few clicks. The PRM is better for food, other detailed swipes. The GMC is much easier to use for a non-techie like me, IMO and was about $120. Almost $500 for the PRM.
                In fact I just got a second GMC on sale not too long ago…someone in my family will want it eventually. Probably one of the grandkids later. 🙂

              • DurangoMom DurangoMom

                Hi Anne..

                When I started testing food, I would do a ten minute background test with the empty container, that I would later place food in and conduct a ten minute test on. My regular dinnerware was higher, as it was ceramic. I found that wood and glass were the same as my normal background and now I only use glass when testing food.

                Hope this helps.

      • clamshellernh clamshellernh

        Anne my dad plans and all the parts for them well as made ones cheap also . They check for alpha beta and gamma , also designs faraday cages , I showed some of his stiff to stock privately because homelands security and asst aphabet agencies have made home visits ..I justdont care anymore I'll sent his links and perhaps some of you folks can contact him with what is destroying our world ..he just thinks I'm a lazy hippie posting later , he has a Facebook page too ..he also has access to wholesale ones ..let's save some money can email me , I'd like to hope I've been a trusted member of this community for over six years stating with the gulf .. It would be great if you talked to admin and paid foradvertising him of course…

      • clamshellernh clamshellernh

        I have a lab that's certified in Maine that does these tests ..I needmore people on the band wagon ..I'll send the testing tonight from the Maine seaweed council and lab results ..cesium ..I have serious questions on that ..we need the others we are being hoodwink inked in my eyes by the evil industry claiming that cesium is the head honcho , maybe at the start ..but that's it , someone please explain if I'm wrong ..oh I have had counters for many years ..working on daddy to get the pancake and computer ones ..I'll send his company name too for you all to peruse , I didn't want to be promoting him but the times call for it

  • I think I am done with draft documents to submit for the Linear no-threshold v. Hormesis proposed changes to the NRC – comments welcome (references in my comment and addenda A and B have more relevant resources). let me know if you have suggestions for edits or additional info:

  • rogerthat

    Kamps: Stable geology is no guarantee for a safe nuclear waste dump

  • rogerthat

    Saturday, July 11, 2015
    Nuclear waste: Greens denounce an amendment of the law … – FRANCE 24

  • So, uhm; Science is dead.
    Only question is: When and where do we bury it? Or, do we just leave it out on the beaches and hope the tide will take it away?
    Let's maybe hold an old-fashioned Irish wake for it. Please let me know when you're available so we can schedule!

  • rogerthat

    Submission Points to Issues Paper 4 – Nuclear Royal Commission – theme for July 15

    Submissions Issues Paper 4 (Storage and Disposal of Waste) are due by 24 July, 2015

    • Roger that!
      Regarding the financial cost of disposing of nuclear waste (aka, digging dem hell-holes), I am wondering; the fact that nobody has a spot in which to bury and maintain this waste, "for decades, nevermind centuries..", is this what's behind pushing the Czech Republic and India into going nuclear? Something seems very fishy, to me, about the big Obama push to get third-world or new-world countries to go for it. Even the push to welcome Iran into the Nuclear Family seems very suspicious.., to me.

      Why is Obama big on nukes for these countries? I mean, while the West is ending their nuke programs, these countries are going back to the 150's, and is it in order to dig these holes into the ground? If so, will these repositories be used (mainly) as arsenals and/or armories? Something is off about all of these deals and nobody is being told the truth. Can we not (also) assume the TPP is connected to this nuke-hell, too?

      How much pressure has The Cartel put on Obama? Or, is he doing this willingly? Is it Obama's idea to start with? Could very well be.

  • rogerthat

    Art and wilderness "final nail in the coffin" of beleaguered Yucca dump and Mobile Chernobyl rail route

    This undated photo provided by Triple Aught Foundation shows part of an artwork by Michael Heizer called “City” near Garden Valley, Nev. Mammoth bones, the prehistoric rock carvings and more than a million acres of wilderness will be protected as part of three new national monuments that President Barack Obama is creating in California, Nevada and Texas and announced Friday, July 10, 2015. Tom Vinetz/Triple Aught Foundation / AP

    As reported by Cy Ryan in a Las Vegas Sun article entitled "Why new national monument could derails plans for nuke dump at Yucca," President Obama's declaration of a Basin and Range National Monument in the rural heart of Nevada could be the final nail in the coffin of the proposed high-level radioactive waste dump at Yucca Mountain.

    So says Robert Halstead, the director of the State of Nevada's Agency for Nuclear Projects, who has led opposition to the U.S. Department of Energy's 300-mile-long, $3 billion rail line proposal that would be needed to transport irradiated nuclear fuel to the controversial dump-site.

    The rail route would now have to pass through a national monument, threatening its wilderness and wildlife, and disrupting perhaps the largest landscape art project in North America. …

  • rogerthat

    EPA missed chance to calm nerves
    Sun, Jul 12, 2015

  • rogerthat

    K-Project for Peace
    Jul 7, 2015

    – A documentary by; Jean-Jacques Schwenzfeier, Kathy Becker & Jonathan Happ –

    Protest against Uranium-Mining and Nuclear Weapons on the Roof of Africa.

    10min video

  • Jebus Jebus

    There is so much that doesn't make sense here…

    Whale warning issued as creatures cavort off Marin coast

    “It’s unbelievable,” he said. “Whales are all over the place.”

    Drawn in to feed on waves of krill and huge schools of anchovies, whales are showing up in numbers seldom seen this close to the coast, according to Thomas, who runs whale-watching trips for the Oceanic Society when the Salty Lady isn’t chartered by salmon fishermen.

    On one recent Salty Lady trip to the Farallones, society day-trippers spotted several blue whales as well as 25 to 30 humpbacks, Thomas said. The whales surge close to the boat as it drifts along. “They come right up to you,” Thomas said.

    The abundance of feed has made for a good salmon fishing season as well, the skipper said.

    Pimpin the boat rides?

  • Jebus Jebus

    About a hundred years ago, very few of those sources would be present.

    Some high energy levels there. Known unknown's…

    Point source point.

    You captured those detectable data points at that time, at your geographical location.

    Now extropolate backwards, air and water, back to the source, including the 1584 day timeline back to 3/11.

    It becomes very apparent…

    • directly back to the unknown unknowables, and the 85 virgins paradise all of the pro nuclear people get if they don't tell the 2,000 unknown unknowables.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        There are no virgins waiting for anybody.. 🙁

        • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

          Virgins aren't much fun, and are way over rated, IMHO.
          Give me a girl who has a good grasp of what she's all about down there! 😉

        • That is also an unknown unknowable…

          Which is why some people promise it…

          There is no way to prove it is not true.

          It is only surprising that the stakes are not raised via competition.

          What if ENENews promises 150 virgins for anyone becoming an active activist, revealing the unknown unknowables around nuclear?

          There would be lots of people signing up…

          Sad, but more than likely true.


  • Bungalow Phil Bungalow Phil

    That leads to a question of whether particles can flow in a vacuum. I have read some interesting hypothesis. Likely I have stumbled onto a concept with no consensus. I thought vacuums' since no substance or material is present would only "conduct" electromagnetic fields which exist as a spectrum of energy. My thought was that the energy was non-physical till it actually encountered physical space. So any thoughts on that? Space as it is defined cannot conduct since there is no matter to interact with. But I read we are bombarded by particles from many sources. So what I believe is if space is a vacuum then nothing exists dimensionally till there is matter to interact with. Well that is of course if space IS a vacuum.

    • They can flow in a vacuum and they do… sunlight is particles, waves and more..

      Ion propulsion powers some spacecraft… aren't those particles?

      • Bungalow Phil Bungalow Phil

        That is the common belief, but what is an ion drive pushing against? There must be a resistance or a reactive environment for the propulsion. Otherwise it is just exhausting an ion to infinite space with no reactive component. I see no realistic need for a particle when a wave is conservative, is integral and maintains quantisization of an electromagnetic field. I maintain they are not particles till observed and measured.
        Some however, also maintain that the sun is not visible in space since there is no matter. That eludes me. But if the protons encounter a mass like the earth then the visible spectrum is apparent. The protons remain in their wave-form until they encounter a particle such as an electron or oxygen molecule in the thermosphere 1000 km above the surface or something of that nature.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          the ion drive is "pushing" against the emitting electrode. Sitting in a boat shooting a rifle would propel you, no matter if the bullets never hit water

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    The Sun Is Going To Sleep.
    Watch the second video on this link:

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Now, about all this Plutonium.
    What went up when unit3 blew, came down as fallout.
    This is washed into the rivers by rain, and is being carried to the Pacific Ocean.
    What went down, as 250 tonnes of molten nuclear fuel melted through 3 reactor buildings, into the ground.
    This is washed into the Pacific Ocean by an underground river.
    All the estimates are for radionuclides leaking from cracks in containment.
    None of the estimates or models are for hundreds of tonnes of melted fuel in mudrock underneath Units1-3.
    None of the estimates or models take into account the underground river washing nuclides into the Ocean.
    All of the estimates and models are orders of magnitude lower than the actual releases.
    We are all about to find out what the actual "fatal dose" of plutonium really is. 😉

  • Monckton Debunked; Earth Is Cooling Myth Busted, Ice Melting In Arctic And Elsewhere Is Accelerating, Many People Stuck In Denial, Normalcy Bias, Psychological Projection

    • melting mermaid melting mermaid

      Who knows whats going to happen when our ecological systems start collapsing. Magnetosphere damage, neutron bombardment, sun cycles, Tatal chemical and radiological processes unknown to mankind going on, fire pits under Fukushima, the rotting dead, methane releases, vulture capitalism, cern, haarp, chemtrails, hell, jet fuel, overpopulation, the nmic, suicide seeds…SOS! Someone get me off this planet. Kali Yuga indeed.


    10,000,000 times normal… HMMM But, hey, isn't zero normal??

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