Nuclear Experts: Portion of Fukushima’s molten fuel believed to have “moved into earth” — Melted cores contacting groundwater may be cause of recent spike in radiation levels -CTV

Published: August 24th, 2013 at 11:15 am ET


Title: Fukushima nuclear plant leaks: What you need to know
Source: CTV News
Date: Aug 23, 2013

Following the 2011 disaster, TEPCO has faced a growing catalogue of problems, including several leaks of radioactive water which has been accumulating as a result of continual water injections to cool the damaged reactors.

Although no one can confirm where the melted fuel cores are located, some experts believe some of the radioactive material from the damaged core has moved into the earth.

The recent spike in radiation levels in the water may therefore be coming from groundwater coming into contact with the melted cores.

From Yesterday: [intlink id=”nuclear-expert-fukushima-melted-fuel-is-migrating-out-of-containment-it-will-end-up-on-coastline-in-fine-particles-and-gets-blown-into-neighborhoods-health-harm-from-this-fuel-to-last-for-thous” type=”post”]{{empty}}[/intlink]

See also: [intlink id=”wsj-they-dont-know-where-fukushimas-melted-fuel-cores-are-or-in-what-state-expert-its-important-to-think-of-worst-case-scenario-might-be-even-more-heavily-contaminated-water-coming-th” type=”post”]Wall St. Journal: They don’t know where Fukushima’s melted fuel cores are, or in what state — Expert: “It’s important to think of worst-case scenario”… Even greater levels of contamination may be on the way[/intlink]

Published: August 24th, 2013 at 11:15 am ET


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89 comments to Nuclear Experts: Portion of Fukushima’s molten fuel believed to have “moved into earth” — Melted cores contacting groundwater may be cause of recent spike in radiation levels -CTV

  • ..but nobody was listening.

    "According to Gundersen, many of the recent reported problems at the crippled nuclear power plant were predicted more than two years ago by experts at the outset of the disaster."
    – from article

    It was predicted by many non-experts too.

    "…advanced degrees confer no special expertise in either common sense or morality. That's why many laymen are better qualified to judge nuclear power than are the so-called experts."
    — Dr. John Gofman Medical Physicist (Nuclear Power Pioneer)

    If one were to look back in the enenews archives, they would find everything we are discussing now has been covered here many times.

    It's almost seems like magic, like there's a 'volume knob' that can control the speed of distribution and the amount and kind of information people hear about. Hmm…? 😉

    • ftlt

      Chas: This is the classic case of not needing a weatherman to tell ya which way the wind is blowing…

      In this case, the media was instructed to lie to cover up the story…

      Sadly, there may never have been anything major to be done that would have made much of difference on the site to this point…

      The used fuel rod storage that remain can still be removed (maybe) …

      Now, off site many other things could and should have been done – This is what is criminal here.. Besides the policy of cover-up everywhere – not just in Japan

      • We Not They Finally

        By "used fuel rod storage," do you mean the SFP at reactor 4? It is deadly dangerous to even TRY. Those rods are twisted, welded together, hugely heavy — and should they drop, then it's nuclear fire to kingdom come. It's insanity to even try.Yet that is what they've suggested "starting in November." Too "Hail Mary" for me. But then again, no one should expect any good result in any case.

  • weeman

    You don't say,, tell me this is not a revaluation to you, sounds to me you are jumping on the band wagon, two years to late for the story of the century, did you get permission from your overlords CTV, shame on you, you are accountable to the public not the government.

    • Gasser Gasser

      Danny's song

      People smile and tell me I'm the lucky one,
And we've only just begun.

Think I'm gonna have a son.

He will be like she and me, as free as a dove,
Conceived in love.

Sun is gonna shine above.

      And even though we ain't got money,

      I'm so in love with you, honey,

      And everything will bring a chain of love.

      After 3/11/11:

But, shit, now in the mornings, when we rise,

      Fukushima Dieichie brings tears of fear to our eyes
And enenews'ers tell's us everything not gonna be alright.

      Seems as though, a month ago,
      I was in China syndrome denial,

Never F—ing got it.

Oh, I was a sorry guy.

And now, I frown and face the girl that shares my name.

Now I'm through with Nuclear games.

This world will never be the same.

      And even though we ain't got money,

      I'm so in love with you, my Cesium polluted honey,

      Though everything will bring a chain reaction criticality.

And in the morning, when we rise,
Dieichie reality will bring many tears to our eyes

      As I bullshit you that everything is gonna be alright.

      Plutonium and Cesium's rising is not a very good sign,

      Strong bad ass shit, and not so kind,

      And the little deformed boy is mine.


      • Gasser Gasser

        Danny's song Cont’

Now I see a radiated family where the once was none.
Holy shit! we've just begun.
Yeah, we're gonna fry like the sun.

        And even though we ain't got money,
I'm so in love with you, my Plutonium glowing honey,
As Japan's reactors will bring a chain reaction of death.

And in the morning, when we rise,

        You bring a tear of fear to my eyes
As I see you're health is not alright.

        Question the girl who holds a hormesis Tritium laced water in a paper cup.

Watch her stupidly drink it up.

Love her and she'll bring you bad luck.

And if you find she helps your stupid mind, take this radioactive hottie home.

Don't you live Actinide dosed alone.

Try to earn what lovers own.

        And even though were completely contaminated,

        I'm so in love with your hot body, it must be fear placated,

        And life will bring a chain of anti radiation Pharmacy drugs.

And in the morning, if we rise,
You'll bring a tear of joy to my eyes.

        Bullshitting myself into everything is gonna be alright.

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  • Cisco Cisco

    More of the same MSM BS, just more of move along folks, there's nothing here for you to see.

  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    Rad map is showing spikes all over the country.

  • MichaelV MichaelV

    The groundwater may be what's preventing underground explosions; hence the steam that's been reported as rising from within the damaged plant.

    On avoiding further damage to the Pacific/atmosphere, it's beyond containment, lest there be a set of ideas beyond current levels of comprehension.

  • Urban27

    So by reading this I understand what is causing these problems.
    This is the result of a intolerant, almost religious believe in science. Techno culture. Techno believers. That's why there are so much lies. These technos are afraid to face their believe systems. Afraid to face a failure. Like other fanatic believers. And of course there are also economical issues. Lots have been invested in this. Not just emotionally and ideologically.
    When people react like this rigid to a situation that clearly needs an other type of action, it is their fear that keeps them back to do the right thing.
    We are dealing with sort of fanatics, that are protecting their personal believes. Therefore they have to step back.
    Now let the world do what it can to this situation in Fukushima.

    Humans need to have a faith. All of us have – even those who claims not.

  • MichaelV MichaelV

    Yes, Techno Culture.
    Malcolm Gladstone explains the processes of selecting candidates for work in everything: the arts, academia, sports/ athletics, science, technology…

    'Lay expertise' represents good talent that's been cast aside. Now, we're facing the pinnacle of the folly of how we operate.

    I know you're tired of the marches but we're marching today in Washington DC…

    When thousands are speaking out in protest perhaps there's something to it.

    Nations are too broke and bankrupt to fix FDNNP?


    Show the corporate slavers and their minions the door to Hell.

  • Truth

    Seems the Rad map above is showing US more dangerous and contaminated then Japan at this time?!…

    I wrote of measuring off the charts (overwash) on my gamma scout in periodic spurts of about 10 second on and off while visiting California a few days ago. I am still in shock over this. Anyone know of a way to check for the exposure? Just visiting a winery, I came out to the car where I left the scout and it was going crazy!

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      Truth, just think about the food and wine from California being imported all over the country. No matter where someone lives, radiation has a sneaky way of finding it's way into the food chain.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        The bread basket of the world resides in California and its now being harvested and heading all over the world!

        That GOP guy up in Oregon needs not to collect anything and does not need spray anyone with laced chemtrails!

        Its now inside all our food!

        That will save us a few tax dollars!

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Can I still buy "organic" is the next question? Hmmmm..

          • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

            I buy organic just to avoid the GMO's. I think that would be a double whammy to the system. There was a Dr. on the Coast to Coast AM show in 6/2012; Dr. Apsely, and he said he had real solutions per his research that are food based. I know that fruit pectin draws the radiation out of the body, and if you can afford it there is chelation therapy if you get really dosed.

            • nedlifromvermont

              I know the CFO at the Organic Trade Association, based here in Brattleboro, Vermont, and for two years I have asked him if they are getting any news from their network about a radioactive contamination threat to their organic farmers, all over the country … and he repeatedly answers that he has heard nothing … NOTHING about any actinides in the organic food chain … …

              I believe that he has heard nothing … I also believe they are actively "not looking" for evidence, and that the whole clamp down on info releases about radioactivity from Daichi entering our food chain has been very effective and devious … … but who wants to hear they are being poisoned, and paying a premium for that right, to boot?

              It's everyone for himself in our newly and more effectively contaminated world …

              Thanks be to GE …

  • Gasser Gasser

    Jumpn' Jack Flash

    I was born when there was Reactor fuel pool fires 

    And I howled at my ma when doc's removed my thyroid with pliers

But it's not right now,

    In fact it was a Dieichie Reactor blast

But it's not all right

It was Jumpin' Jack Corium's blast, blast, blast!

I was raised by a toothless, contaminated hag

    I was schooled with a brace holding up my back

    But it ain't all right now,
    In fact it's a kr-85 gas

But it's not all right

I'm Jumpin' Jack Flash's radioactive gas, gas, gas

I was drowned in Cesium water and left for dead
I fell down, to my feet and I saw they bled

Yeah, sure and I frowned at the contamination of a crust of bread,
Yeah, I was crowned with a radioactive spike right through my head

The atmosphere right now,
    Is filled with kr-85 gas

But it's not all right

    Were all Jumpin' Jack Flash's,
    Breathing Krypton 85 gas, gas, gas


  • Gasser Gasser

    I had to live through the Dieichie Corium meltdown mire
    And protested when the storage fuel pools caught on fire

    But it's not right,

    In fact it was stupid Nuclear scientist

    But it's not all right

    It's Corium Gamma ray's flash, flash, flash

    I was kept alive by an ugly bleeding heart liberal
    I was bullshit schooled into believing everything's all right

    But it's not all right now,

    In fact it's xenon-135 gas

    But it's not all right

    Were all doin' Junpin' Jacks over Corium's flash, flash, flash

    I was coated head to toe in Actinides and started cryin'
    I fell down into a puddle of Strontium rain water diein'

    Yeah, sure I frowned at fast food radioactive burgers, fry's, an bread,
    Yeah, I was glowing from sleeping in my contaminated bed

    But it's not all F—ing right

    Were all flashing Jumpn' Jack's that are dead, dead, dead

    • petfish

      that's the spirit! lets give'm hell. nothing we can do. good attitude and smiles all around good for the immune system. intellengence is overrated. we are all evolving into a new unknown form.
      welcome to Wally's World

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    As expected, the deadly molten Coriums are plowing down into earth (China Syndrome, very bad stuff to happen). Most people that post here at Energy-News knew this would be the case from March 2011. Of course, governments around the world knew it, watching from afar, but doing next to nothing. Speaks volumes for the state of our sad world.

    • sunpower

      Well, sorry to spoil your fun but people who believe coriums continue to burn themselves down and down all molten without stopping have never reviewed the evidence from Chernobyl. Seeing one of those molten coriums unmolten, stopped on top of a concrete floor slab like solidified pahoehoe lava told me the 'China Syndrome' is a fallacy. That fallacy only gets in the way of assessing the real situation.

      • dharmasyd dharmasyd

        Only works if you 'install' the 'concrete floor slab' early enough, before it goes down, down, down…to an unreachable level!

      • Jebus Jebus

        sunpower, sorry to spoil your speculation, but you are comparing one apple to three oranges…

        • Jebus Jebus

          And this is why there is no comparison…


          The fuel pellets are made of uranium dioxide powder, sintered with a suitable binder into barrels 11.5 mm (0.45 in) in diameter and 15 mm (0.59 in) long. The material may contain added europium oxide as a burnable nuclear poison to lower the reactivity differences between a new and partially spent fuel assembly.[7] To reduce thermal expansion issues and interaction with the cladding, the pellets have hemispherical indentations. A 2 mm (0.079 in) hole through the axis of the pellet serves to reduce the temperature in the center of the pellet and facilitates removal of gaseous fission products. The enrichment level is 2% (0.4% for the end pellets of the assemblies). Maximum allowable temperature of the fuel pellet is 2,100 °C (3,810 °F).


        • Jebus Jebus

          What is fuel enrichment?

          Natural uranium contains about 0.7 percent of uranium 235 which is fissile, the rest is uranium 238 which is not. Reactors that use graphite or heavy water moderators can operate with natural uranium, but light water reactors cannot because the water absorbs too many neutrons. Therefore the fuel for this type of reactor has to be enriched, which means the U 235 is increased to about 4 percent. This is done using the gaseous uranium hexafluoride, either by gaseous diffusion or by centrifuging which is the modern way to do it and uses much less power than diffusion.


        • Jebus Jebus

          Mixed oxide fuel, commonly referred to as MOX fuel, is nuclear fuel that contains more than one oxide of fissile material, usually consisting of plutonium blended with natural uranium, reprocessed uranium, or depleted uranium. MOX fuel is an alternative to the low-enriched uranium (LEU) fuel used in the light water reactors that predominate nuclear power generation. For example, a mixture of 7% plutonium and 93% natural uranium reacts similarly, although not identically, to LEU fuel. MOX usually consists of two phases, UO2 and PuO2, and/or a single phase solid solution (U,Pu)O2. The content of PuO2 may vary from 1.5 wt.% to 25–30 wt.% depending on the type of nuclear reactor. Although MOX fuel can be used in thermal reactors to provide energy, efficient burning of plutonium in MOX can only be achieved in fast reactors.[1]

          One attraction of MOX fuel is that it is a way of utilizing surplus weapons-grade plutonium, an alternative to storage of surplus plutonium, which would need to be secured against the risk of theft for use in nuclear weapons.[2][3] On the other hand, some studies warned that normalising the global commercial use of MOX fuel and the associated expansion of nuclear reprocessing will increase, rather than reduce, the risk of nuclear proliferation, by encouraging increased separation of plutonium from spent fuel in the civil nuclear fuel cycle.[4][5][6]

          Apples and oranges…

          • larry-andrew-nils

            also it's apples and oranges here because chernobyl blob got diluted with mass amounts of lead, whereas fukushima blobs are still in the un-diluted hell-state.

      • Nigwil

        The reactor core at Chernobyl was surrounded by a mass of sand that was specifically provided to act to mix with a molten core, dilute it and slow its advance. The 'elephant's foot' under the Ch reactor is a mix of molten core and molten sand that has solidified.

        At Fukushima the cores would have escaped the containment intact, as a molten slug. The centre of that slug is probably still molten and active, so who knows where it is or what is is or will do. It could advance under gravity in stages:

        1. Melt surroundings and move down until it hits water and cools;
        2. Cook out water as steam until the ground around the corium is dried out then
        1. Melt surroundings and move down until…

        repeat steps one and two until…

        Who knows!

      • petfish

        blobs on a concrete floor? sitting there like lava aka chernobyl? we only could wish for this most favored outcome. blobs or what was left by explosions most likely have left the slab behind and are sitting there in the ground leeching to periodically fission into eternity. no chance until the blobs are encased away from environment. one big oozing sore without prescription.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Out of sight..out of mind..just keep shopping!

  • Truth

    I wonder if what hit me and my gamma scout that was set to gamma only at the time when it went off scale into "overwash' in CA – was it the sun activity possibly, a scan from a drone plane in the air, the currents from the ocean air bringing a concentration of radiation from Japan or something local? Perhaps and I am hoping, it was a fluke malfunction of the gamma scout itself, but I doubt it. Still worried about the effects on my health, but nothing immediate (knock on wood). So, for the next 15 years I will think about this and wonder. What we eat or drink will surely kill us in time also….

    • mairs mairs

      Truth, I've been following what you've been saying about what happened. I really wish the answer was clear. Can there be fallout hotspots from Fukushima that are that intense so far away? Is it an artifact from something local?


      • We Not They Finally

        Is that a serious question? Look — the atmospheric bands have long since dumped plutonium on us all! The ocean migrations are hardly far behind. Obviously, denial may be hard to shake yourself out of, but this might be a good time to start trying, yes??

        • mairs mairs

          I've never been in denial about this. I was thinking about radiation that pegged Truth's meter. I'm not someone who is trying to minimize Fukushima.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Yes! "Can there be (local) fallout hotspots from Fukushima"
        Yes! Even in Livermore!

    • Au Au

      Was it at the wineries in Livermore, Calif?

  • mairs mairs

    Industry poster elsewhere: "They know exactly where the coriums are! In the containments of course. Stop scaring people, you are mentally ill!"

  • Jack Jack

    You realize of course that the reporting of water leakage from the storage tanks is a distraction from the issue of the corium from where the bulk of the emissions are spewing

    • sunpower

      The coriums at Chernobyl were not heavily watered like at Daiichi. They stopped being molten within weeks of the accident. While still hot, they are long past molten, and as glass rock they do not spew, they erode. If you were to submerge Chernobyl's coriums in pumped water you could probably also create a water storage problem there. The most sensible course would be to stop hosing. It is logical to assume Daiichi coriums are not too far underneath the containments, if they did breach, because that is what was found at Chernobyl. The real issue is how stupid the water treatment is.
      The coriums at Chernobyl did not explode despite not being watered. In fact water causes meltdown event explosions and prompt criticalities. Vitrified coriums are in a virtual 'steady state' of glass rock, one of the only solutions to intense nuclear events. Watering coriums is not logical to stop explosions. Explosions are not the behavior of coriums, they result from zirconium fires primarily, runaway fission, or superheated water contact with molten fuel. Explosions have happened because superheated water split into oxygen and hydrogen gases, highly flammable, and because of the expansion of water moderator from liquid to gas. Daiichi coriums are no longer molten.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Very interesting and if what you are saying is true, then you do realize then, that the entire Pacific Ocean and the rest of the world are now being poisoned purposefully with the current use of water.

        This would not have been a solely Japanese decision but instead a complicit international decision too poison all the waters found on Planet Earth.

        That must give those that care a very warm and fuzzy feeling inside to know that their own governments are now complicit in this folly.

      • Jebus Jebus

        Look, the reason they are having to pour tons of water on the coriums is that they are still fissioning.
        When a reactor scrams the control rods drop and stop, or block the majority of neutrons from interacting with the fuel. The fissioning stops and you eventually have that misused term "cold shutdown" and what is left is residual decay heat.
        When the core slumps to the bottom of containment, (Does anyone believe the cores are intact?), there is no way to keep the neutrons from knocking other neutrons loose and you have continued fission. There is nothing but material contamination to mix with the coriums to stop the fission process. (Has anyone ever watched how a steel foundry skims the scum or impurities off the top of a batch of molten steel at 2000+ degrees?, I used to work at Oregon Steel Mills), The purest of the mix will be at the center of the coriums and continued fissioning will occur untill sufficient contamination makes this so weak that they solidify. Even then there will still be neutrons knocking others loose creating heat. As Patty said, and I agree with, the water wont stop the fission process. It cant, it can only take heat away and it can be a reflector. The coriums are still fissioning wherever they may be…
        But what do I know, I don't have any valid credentials and I haven't even stayed at a holiday inn lately….

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Never said he was right or wrong, but if he is right, then I stand by my above statements…

          In either case this is the last one and no one should do anything or lift a finger until the resolution to ban all Nuclear Power Generation immediately worldwide is signed by the powers to be.

          This insanity should not be allowed to be repeated ever again on Planet Earth…period.

          • Jebus Jebus

            Obe, understanding how forum posts are threaded, will avoid confusion over who is responding to whom… 🙂

            …and I believe everyone here agrees with your post, except the "selected" few who are here for ulterior motives…

    • MichaelV MichaelV

      Good link… thanks.

    • kez

      To. Pattie Brassard Pattie L Brassard PattieB PattieBfine PatB Nasa Whistleblower ..

      Did I get all your inet nicks? A lot of folks are searching your name now that you are a prophet of doom star on the internet so I want to make sure that they can find you here as well.

      So the prodigal son has returned to Enechat Enenews. You have had probably a cumulative million plus hit to your Youtube interviews. Since you have given so many interviews mind if I ask a couple of questions:

      A lot of eseentially well meaning folks here followed what they believed were your credentials of experience here regarding what may have been debunked now as your military experience re nukes. It's an easy goggle search now ..

      But when you had the chance to speak up to a larger audience you left them abandoned to your prediction of the world's end by second suns and planets and solar pole shifts. Why not warn post these dire predicitions concurrent here? IMO Fuku was a very minor mention in your interviews.

      And how much time do we still have actually? (To bury ourselves in our campers).

      This may be a 15 minutes of fame episode since your timeline of the end of the world by brown dwarfs planet X second suns microwaves from space and other planets etc may not come as you prophesied.

      How will you remediate any credibilty here?

      • kez

        And Enechat Enenews users have been silent as well ..

        How do you guys (esp those who have staunchly supported PattieB Pattie Brassard for her contributions here) feel?

        Take care all.

        • NoNukes NoNukes

          Well, I stand by my assessment that she is one of the most interesting posters here…for example, read your posts and hers above…yours is empty of any data, it is just bashing, while hers links to thought-provoking information.

          • +1

            Free speech, free thought, free ideas.

            She generally provides interesting links with commentary about what's in the link.

            People are free to agree or disagree.

          • kez

            So you in defense of Pattie Brassard Pattie L Brassard Pattiebfine PattieB PatB ..

            Prefer to read something *interesting* .. without substance or valid credentials ..

            Such as he doesn't have the military (nuke chem bio) credentials he claimed here .. probably didn't serve in Iraq or suffer DU sickness as he claims ..

            Probably doesn't have access to every satellite as he claims to have remotely acquired ..

            Or any secret resources NASA ET AL ..

            To tell over a million YouTube viewers that because of a brown dwarf second sun w planets in tow planet x polar shift AND a mag 15 CA earthquake ..

            To dig a hole and bury yourself in a camper for 2 years .. and the govt made having a home garden illegal bc they don't want us to survive ..

            But the queen of england will be moving here to an underground location ..

            And the govt outlawed lead paint bc it shielded radiation BTW ..

            And the world will end by 9 26 13 bc we will be cooked crispy critters by microwave radiation (unless we have buried our campers) ..

            PattieB tripped you along a merry path of his own sad fantasies .. and now is a YouTube wannabe on every tin hat radiostaion and youtube channel there is.

            So .. yes .. guess that is interesting .. (!!) ..

            And my challenging the sanity of this is not.

            I challenge those who can to take a step beyond apathy to activism .. take what you learn here w reason and thought ..

            And make it really count.


            • NoNukes NoNukes


              Spend a year or two bringing links to information about anything relevant, there is a whole forum about demonstrations, etc., that you could work on…contribute some information beyond bashing others. I promise to work on my reading comprehension skills so I can understand them.

              • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

                This site has more information in one place than anywhere, and believe me I looked, and the information you bring to the table is important. We are not "experts", but then again science and the experts have dropped the ball in the case of Nuclear Energy.

                I think by having these discussions we are doing something. Creating awareness in anyway helps, and I know when I first came aboard I was so happy there were others here talking about the issue that Enenews has been an island of sanity for me, in a world who refuses to believe.

                As far as anyone judging the people here, No one needs to explains themselves, but I will say I have called and written legislators to the point I am probably on a list somewhere. Can anyone share some of the things you have found that helps to solve the problem, and maybe we can participate.

              • kez

                NoNukes .. spend a year posting activism links or suggestions and we have a deal.

                The time I have spent teaching my kids teens and young adults MORE than compensates for drivel world ending .. chicken little shit here .. in fact just answering your BS note now negates my positive return.

                And I guarantee you I have spent more emails and phone time to folks who might change things than I have ranting here on a chat board.

                So .. challenge .. link one activist message you have
                ever sent here in 2 plus years (you can't) ..

                And truthfully tell us how you can defend the Pattie Brassard Pattie L Brassard Pattiebfine PattieB Nasa Whistleblower PatB interview I linked above.

                Hmmm .. ?

                • Jebus Jebus

                  kez, your superiority complex makes you look very tiny here…

                  • Jebus Jebus

                    Another point I feel the need to make here is that it is very obvious to me, kez, of your cyclic screen names you use here. Protest this if you want, it is obvious and is counter to one of the points you make about pattie, who by the way is a female…
                    Anyone sincere in their mantra would not have any reason to change their handle at any time…

                  • kez

                    Jebus. .. I am tired .. I have been crying for my kids to have a life .. my glasses are so tear stained I can't see thru them right now.

                    Soo .. pompous self righteous ass that you have been to me more than once in the past ..

                    What again was your point?

            • kez

              One link .. Pattie Brassard Pattie L Brassard PattieB Pattiebfine Nasa Whistleblower


              Sent this last nite .. there is anothother hour long one I posted a couple of days ago. This one is short .. and sums it up.

            • Jebus Jebus

              Kez, I have crossed swords with you on a few occasions, but on this I have to concur.
              The assesment you give is spot on for the reasons of sheer insanity and jumbled focus. If said person would just loose the tin hat, she would garner more support from those who are more reserved in their prophecies of doom. I have not seen any revelations concerning Fukushima, that have already not been discussed here on ENE. Proclaiming the other bullshit only sequesters her to the padded room section and does not give any credibility to her fuku embellishments. I have said before, this site is being played by multiple outside infuences that are less than sincere.
              But having said that, she is just another little ant bringing sticks to the nest and as a result is a part of the sum. Some enjoy this frienzied hysteria and need it to cope. If one doesn't buy her content, one should just give space. It has taken me some thought and time to digest this fact of the human condition. In these times of "what can one do against all odds", live and let live seems to be the best way to go. We are all in a state of nothing else matters but live, love and get that bucket list done. The issue of an ELE and the end will go the way it goes no matter what any individual says, does, or participates in. The story has been set in motion and there's nothing anyone can really do but read and turn the pages. After all we are all just little ants in the field.
              No matter what, I wish peace unto all…

              • Jebus Jebus

                I have to add that using the words "valid credentials" here puts you kez on my suspect list too. Screw anyone who says that and means it. "Valid Credentials" are what put us into this earth wide destructive spin in the first place…

  • petfish

    here is one i've been working on. take off from ms. temple

    Radionuclides in my soup
    polonium, plutonium loop the loop
    Gosh oh gee but I have fun
    Swallowing radionuclides one by one

    In every bowl of soup I see
    strontium cesium watching me
    I make 'em jump right through a hoop
    Those radionuclides in my soup

    When I get a big bad dose
    I just think about something else
    When it dissipates to a million bits
    And I gobble it down for internate -tee

    When their inside me where its dark
    They shot around like fireworks
    I stuff my tummy full with the gammagoop
    With radionulides in my soup

    Radionuclides in my soup
    Do funny things to me like glow in the dark
    They make me think my neighbourhood
    Is a big giant mix of uranium thorium europium loop the loop

    here's our sievert la la la
    His name is alpha, beta, neutron ain’t that swell
    And when he Hollers at us kids
    He reminds us of that sieverts are good for you

    The nuclear
    release is so big and fat
    He has a big nose like Pinocchio’s cat
    He looks just like a Walrus with a hat
    Just before he takes a splash in the radio active ash over by the trash for fast cash radio nuclides in my soup.

    • petfish

      or-well give us a animal crackers in my soup song.

      • or-well

        @ petfish…sadly, I have no inspiration to do so.
        However,I may recycle something if the appropriate topic arises or, something impromptu may occur.
        I always enjoy seeing others efforts along such lines though.

        • petfish

          @or-well.. looking forward whenever inspiration comes 🙂

          may humanities positive qualities prevail.


  • We Not They Finally

    The reporters never heard of the words CORIUMS and MELT-THROUGHS? And they are supposed to be educating OTHERS?

  • Mezzaic

    The amount of information coming out in the last few days is incredible…finally people are starting to wake up, despite it probably being too late to fix anything…

    I wonder how my Japanese friends will react when the Japanese Government admits that they have no clue how to solve this and haven't since it first started unfolding.

    I remember one of my students almost burst into tears defending the Japanese Government and saying over and over they wouldn't lie…its such a shame when people are so brainwashed…most of the Japanese I met are like robots, only caring about their work and nothing else, not even if it means people will die, not all are like this, but the vast majority are, its only when you live in Japan and speak Japanese and see it first hand that you understand.

    Hopefully a drastic change in thought processes is coming for Japanese people, hopefully all this new information will be enough for them to finally admit they need help from all countries to contain this.

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Messaic, this was to Kez and to the entire vast structure comprising the Nuclear Industry!

      Kez, very nice!

      Here is the one and I mean no one.. should step one foot on this complex to fix anything until humanities demands are met and that would be the complete phase out immediately of all Nuclear Power Generation on Planet Earth via the use of expert "Word Craft"!

      No second chances as we humanity are now done! 3 strikes and you are out!

      Now, if the "powers to be" want to send a couple hundred thousand serfs/slaves to their graves to clean up their mess, then they the "powers to be" are going to have to cough up and sign this simple "Word Craft" resolution.

      Unless this occurs all of us will die a painful diseased cancer filled death over the next several years!

      21st and I are willing to meet any time of the day or week 24/7.

      Pass this offer along!

  • jec jec

    Chris Busby (?) comment on Fukushima Diary to sudden drop of pressure in Reactor 2 PVC valve. See:

    If true, not good. Could be a failed can only hope. Pretty bad when hope is for a device to fail because the other option is too terrible to consider. Its not good.

  • FXofTruth

    The failure began when Japan built the plants to start with.
    They were destined to collapsed.
    They are built on an earthquake zone.
    They are in the path of any tsunami.
    They are on built on land fill.
    They are old, poorly designed units.
    They have spent fuel pools 5 stories off the ground.
    Finally, they are run by liars and thieves.

    So, don't expect any solutions to stop this unfolding planet-killer.
    The brain power isn't there; the money isn't there; the concern for humanity's survival isn't there.

    Live like you have only few days left of your life….because that is all you have to look forward to. It's no longer looking to 10, 20, 30 years of living. It's more like 1, 3, maybe 5 years is all.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      So many believe in the rapture, or rising of the dead and immortality. This is all across the Abrahamic religions and versions in nearly all religious beliefs. For staunch believers, the END OF TIMES is something exciting, something to look forward to. Why would they bother to remedy nuclear reactors and all the other problems when God and the rapture will take care of everything? Im afraid there are far too many who believe this, both old and young generations. If they are in power, how can you fight their beliefs? Then there are many who dont believe a balance of nature is even required, or mass die offs as important, so long as THEY are safe. They may underestimate dangers and let things spin wildly out of control until its too late. This is what we face in trying to turn around the fate of the world

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Yes..Planet Killer..has a nice ring to it!

  • hbjon hbjon

    We really do not know if there is any undamaged fuel in or around units 1-4 at Fukushima. There is only here say. We know building the tent for U1 was probably the most dangerous construction project ever attempted. The ground had to be covered with steel sheets (and we don't know how they are holding up). All the debris probably had fuel splatter on it. The largest liquefied masses began following the course of least resistance until the smallest possible criticalities formed, which caused the explosions in the units. How much of the coriums were not affected by the explosions we may never know. The safe bet these days is to assume large quantities exist in the form of china syndromes beneath the wreckage, possibly up to a mile deep. There are strong forces at work that don't allow for large amounts of corium to exist within the confines of a spherical type mass. Therefore, the earth underneath the reactors probably resembles the mixture of blue cheese and swiss cheese in a glass matrix with thin veins of various metals throughout. The venting gases continue to erode the earth below. Salvage what you can then build a wonder.

  • RichardPerry

    As the 3/11 situation goes on will the 3 fuel bundles come together causing much greater amount of radiation and a explosion?

    • hbjon hbjon

      Depends on some unknowns. How does uncontained enriched fuel behave in an environment such as wet soil. A) Does it explodes B) Does it reach and sustain some sort of stability C) Does a protective barrier insulate it from reactive elements and when criticalities occur does it break and flash corium sideways as it descends towards middle earth. We know that if the space between the separate china syndromes is too hot for glass to solidify, than it will probably form a single molten blob. Maybe that is why water needs to be pumped down into wells between the units.

  • pkjn

    Disturbing thyroid cancer rise in Fukushima minors
    August 21, 2013 Russia Today
    90 percent of those who are exposed to hazardous level of radiation don`t meet criteria for cancer screening provided by Tokyo Electric Power Company.
    Six minors in Fukushima Prefecture who are 18 or younger have been diagnosed with thyroid cancer. Ten other children are believed to have developed the same form of cancer.
    The latest figures bring the number of children who have been diagnosed with having cancer to 44, up from 28 as of June. Of the 44, 18 have been diagnosed with thyroid cancer, and 25 others are showing symptom. Another child suspected of having cancer is later diagnosed with benign tumor.
    The 2005 Japanese rate for thyroid cancer in the age 0-18 is given as 0.0 per 100,000.
    There can be 200,000 cancers in 10 million of population in the 200km radius of the site in the next 10 years, and 400,000 over 50 years.

  • Mega Nuclear Volcanic Explosion Possible Due to 3+ Molten Coriums Melting Down To Magma at Fukushima; via @AGreenRoad