Experts: Shock during first trip to Fukushima — Radiation levels so high far away from reactors that full protection suit would be used in U.S., yet people were walking around — “Contamination far more widespread than most Japanese understand”

Published: June 13th, 2013 at 9:29 pm ET
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Title: Cleanup From Fukushima Daiichi: Technological Disaster Or Crisis In Governance?
Source: Fairewinds Energy Education
Author: Art Keller
Date: June 13, 2013

[...] Shortly after arrival on their first trip to Japan, the group headed for Shirikawa, a city 45 miles west and a few miles south of the Daiichi nuclear plant. [Sam Engelhard, an industrial hygenist and certified radiation protection technologist,] was shocked as soon as he unpacked his radiation sensor gear and turned it on. Here they were almost 50 miles from the accident site and in the opposite direction of the prevailing winds, and the crew’s radiation alarms immediately started going off.

“The radiation levels we were seeing were 1,000 times background, higher in spots,” Engelhard said. “If we had been working on a site this contaminated in the US, we would have been fully suited up in radiation protection suits, gloves, and respirators. Yet people were walking around and going about their business, with no idea of how contaminated everything around them was.” [...]

[Kevin Wang of Califonia-based company PowerPlus] believes the Fukushima radiological contamination far more widespread that most Japanese understand. “One thing I heard so often during my trips to Japan that it became a mantra, was that ‘Fukushima is a Japanese problem and we have to fix it ourselves.’  So far, I haven’t seen any evidence that the government is taking the right steps to fix things. Instead, the wounded pride of government officials, and a lack of understanding at the urgency of the problem, prevented Japan from taking the steps they needed to.” [...]

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63 comments to Experts: Shock during first trip to Fukushima — Radiation levels so high far away from reactors that full protection suit would be used in U.S., yet people were walking around — “Contamination far more widespread than most Japanese understand”

  • NoNukes NoNukes

    Fukushima is a United States problem. The U.S. isn't protecting the people of Japan, where the U.S. has over 90 military bases, nor the people of the United States, where radiation levels are rising.

    Not everyone is stuck, however, these girls are the best geiger counters around. If they are out of the country, watch out.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/michelles-in-class-of-her-own-with-trip-to-school-29337905.html


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  • We Not They Finally

    "Fukushima is a Japanese problem"? The criminals who foisted this ONTO THE ENTIRE WORLD have long since lost their rights to privacy, sovereignty, or a shred of international respect. Let them take their infamous pride and stuff it into the ears of judges at The Haag. And shame on those Japanese who tow that line — if no one gets them any education, they're part of EVERYONE'S problem. There is not even any BENEFIT in it. Where will they wind up? — "dead but proud"?

    Though there must also be millions of Japanese in anguish who have to deal every day not just with escalating health risks, but with the insanity of this level of denial. And what can one DO over there? — I mean ordinary people? I'm not there. I don't know. Nor do I see the U.S. responding AT ALL. And the international bodies are complicit of course.

    "Sad" does not even begin to cut it.


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    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      "Resistance to understanding a threat grows with proximity. The people most severely affected by a hazard are often the ones who deny the peril most vehemently in order to keep on living, or in some cases, to finish dying."

      – 'Plutopia', p 34

      This explains a great deal why many of the common Japanese population seem to be in denial.

      This does not apply to those that have created this horror.


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  • patb2009

    it is criminal we have american military personnel in the radiation zone.


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  • ML

    Fuku is both a technological disaster AND a failure of governance.


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  • ftlt

    When you burn the waste what does one expect????


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  • VanneV anne

    I think the Japanese government may just want to hide how horrible the situation really is because they now own the US nuclear companies and they want to keep exporting their nuclear technology abroad. They believe in everyone equally sharing in the disaster even those abroad. If other countries understood how failed a technology the nuclear industry is still selling, they would demand that these nucleocrats be tried at the Hague for criminal war crimes. And I am talking about all the nucleocrats in every country throughout the entire earth. Genocide should be banned, including genocide by nuclear radiation.

    Please do not allow this culture of no value placed on human life and this failed nuclear technology to continue taking over the US. Please do something to ban all nuclear reactions forever throughout the entire earth. When the US government doesn't value the life of their soldiers, it is very difficult to value and respect the US government. Please remove our soldiers from harm's way. They are not cannon fodder, and they are not fodder for nuclear radioactive furnaces.


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  • Anne said "I think the Japanese government may just want to hide how horrible the situation really is because they now own the US nuclear companies and they want to keep exporting their nuclear technology abroad". Too true and might I add Japan also owns the failed Tepco and is now on the hook for the entire disaster. The last thing they need is a strong international watchdog overseeing the clean up of the triple melt down. Would cost them more money. They don't want to know the right way to re-mediate. Finally, Tokyo is a huge city that the international banker types don't want to see fail as their economy is tied in with Tokyo. So for those reasons and more there seems to be an international conspiracy to under report the radiation release and possible danger especially to the Pacific. See nobody is dying immediately, just slow increase in cancer deaths and shortened lives and a poison you can't see. Making it so easy and cheap to lie. Sure its a crime to under report radiation but it is a reality in the democracy America apparently installed after WW2. All they care about is the economy. Their economy. A lesson for all of us.


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    • We Not They Finally

      Ironic that they probably COUNT on "just a slow increase in cancer deaths." But doubtful that's what they'll get, at least in time. Like as of May 2012, 60% of children under twelve in the Fukushima area were already DIABETIC (apparently strontium-90 decays into yttrium-90 in the body and attacks the pancreas, or so I read), so unless they have mass training in insulin use, untreated diabetes is a killer. And cesium causes heart attacks in even the young.

      I'm sure they'll be doctoring stats for the likes of stillborns, and [excuse -- but it's what I suspect happens there] kill babies deformed at birth, but once pregnancy itself is a terror, how does a culture function? In Fallujah, Iraq (depleted uranium was producing deformed infants), the women were advised to just not bear children. But that country has been war-torn; and disgracefully, even here there is no disclosure of why so-called "Gulf War Syndrome." Vets are treated like cannon fodder. And of course, Belarus was a "minor" nation tucked away in the dreaded USSR.

      Japan DIFFERENT. A so-called "important" country. Right out there, both financially and geographically. High profile; supposed to be prosperous; their hub Tokyo being heavily nuked. And when the cancer epidemic emerges, it may not be that "slow." They've breathed in horrendously "hot" particles, like plutonium. (Well, we all have to a lesser degree.)

      THEN who will say it's all about MONEY? When does it get to be…


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      • We Not They Finally

        about HUMANITY?


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      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        a dozen countries near belarus are in population decline. Low fertility and poor economics. People emigrate. Interesting is that decline is rather slow. One percent per year. Meanwhile Obama administration proposes to increase the acceptable death rate after a nuke accident from one in ten thousand to one out of every twenty three. This gives us predictive capacity. Japan and the U.S. will only SLOWLY decline, until a tipping point, with the majority of disease not ascribed to radiation. Right now one out of fifty have serious mental retardation and one in 6 have some disability. Does anybody say anything? Major decline will be ascribed to pandemic and starvation, even though radiation will have played a part.


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        • VanneV anne

          No mention in the following article that radiation is a cause of the decline of the US non-Hispanic population which is 63% of the US population:

          U.S. white population declined in 2012 for first time
          “…Though the percentage is small, several demographers said they are not aware of another time in U.S. history — not even during the Depression or wartime — when the dominant racial group experienced such shrinkage. No other group showed a similar fallot.
          “The decrease was offset by 188,000 white immigrants, primarily from Canada and Germany, but also from Russia and Saudi Arabia. And non-Hispanic whites remain the single largest group, making up 63 percent of the country.
          But demographers were surprised by the outsized drop in births compared to deaths, which the Census Bureau projects will begin happening with regularity by 2025…..
          “Fertility rates have been slowly dropping since 2007….”
          http://www.standard.net/stories/2013/06/13/us-white-population-declined-2012-first-time


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          • VanneV anne

            US population decline due to Fukushima and indigenous nuclear activity?


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          • jec jec

            @anne, For our family with contamination from WASH St. fallout..of a family of four offspring (their mom died of an unusual cancer in the 1940s..in a city close to Hanford WA), only ONE child has been able to successfully have fertile offspring. Of those four offspring, TWO offspring do have birth defects. The other two living offspring did produce children, some with defects..but at least some living into childhood. And that is just OUR experience. So four offspring, only one able to produce fertile children, two who were able to produce six offspring, with four of those being normal. Those four offspring produced ten children, with five being 'normal', without either physical or mental defects. This is a terrible percentage.


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            • We Not They Finally

              That's heartbreaking, though the cause is also OBVIOUS. Though if you have any appetite to look into it, there might be filmmakers (even amateurs) who want to document situations like yours now that Hanford is a more high-profile issue.

              The other thing I had wondered about, is that there was a huge genome-mapping project a few decades back. It's obviously too late to save your own family, but if any scientist were willing/able to SHOW the genetic damage done to family lines, at least the public could start getting educated.


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        • We Not They Finally

          CodeShutdown, googled to see where the ratio changed from one in 10,000 to one in 23. It's apparently the new PAG's (that stands for "Protective Action Guidelines" — Orwell would be proud)and they were engineered by Gina McCarthy, formerly head of air radiation monitoring (I guess she gave the orders to turn the monitors OFF), now head of the whole EPA. Me, I'd be fine seeing Ms. McCarthy in jail for deliberating endangering public safety, but instead she got….. PROMOTED!!


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          • We Not They Finally

            What's additionally infuriating, is that where did the original estimate of "1 in 10,000 getting cancer from radiation poisoning over a 30 year period" even COME from? That's outlandish. When we were growing up (we're baby boomers), cancer was RARE. Now one in three gets it some time in their lifetime. THAT equals "one in 10,000"?

            Yet it is shocking how adaptive people become to "new normals."


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      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        When does it get to be about HUMANITY instead MONEY? Humans..the cunning killer apes.

        They said
        war would bring peace,
        poisonous nuclear > prosperity from clean energy,
        prohibition > restraint,
        police > law and order,
        rule of law > ethical behavior,
        agriculture poison > nutritional abundance,
        pharmaceutical drug > health,
        profiteering > free wealth
        government > wise leadership and fairness,
        courts > justice,
        police and military power > safety and public freedom.
        obedience and patriotism > correctness and strength

        ….all wrong! Its "UN-CIVIL-IZATION" And many were the lies. And thus the shrewd deceived the masses, the simple and trusting. And still the majority believe it, willingly, unquestioningly, and ostracize those who think otherwise. Humanity requires empathy, ethics and sense. Therefor "Humanity" does not pertain to OUR species.


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        • Yet, at the same time, there is;

          unlimited peace accessible to all within
          unlimited love accessible to all within
          unlimited consciousness accessible to all within
          fairness, virtue and justice accessible to all within
          living forever as soul accessible to all

          Could it be that any human living other than the above, is caging him or herself willingly, putting blinders on, stuffing the ears, covering the heart with prickly thorns.

          Could it be that much of humanity is denying reality, substituting illusion and chains of greed plus fear for a crown of glory and honor?


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          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            yes GreenRoad, but did you make it? Get a handsome guru, one who doesnt charge money, or bind you to rites and rituals, follow the path that is so narrow only ONE can pass (unity sans ego), detach from self and senses, rising to the glorious realms, seeing past and future, here there and everywhere and nowhere. It sounded good, so what went wrong? Lack of discipline? wrong master? Too retarded already? Samskaras too thick? I blame it on the guru myself


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      • mairs mairs

        It isn't going to be slow. As has been pointed out before, it took five years for thyroid problems to crop up around Chernobyl, less than half that amount of time around Fukushima.


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      • Time Is Short Time Is Short

        "In the United States from 1950 to 2001, the overall age-adjusted incidence of cancer increased by 85%. Childhood cancer, once a medical rarity, has become the most common disease killer of American children."

        – 'Plutopia', p. 337

        Since Fukushima and the GMO foodstuffs, it will increase by three digits, and after a few years it will increase by four digits.

        As Obamacare destroys our medical infrastructure and quickly reduces the opportunity of cancer treatment to zero – unless you are part of the .001%.


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  • Sickputer

    You are right anne about the dire need to shut down all the nuclear plants.

    The problem is there are very slim odds to effect any meaningful social changes in the major countries of the world. The entrenched nucleorats (I prefer rats versus crats) have the money, the armed forces, and a well coordinated grip on national control. Farmer shotguns can't defeat drones. Big Brother and his crew of ugly naked apes are beyond the reach of a traditional exchange of power. They don't lose elections because both sides are offspring of Big Brother.

    The best people can hope for is the global kings decide to end nukes upon advice of their financiers. That is the angle that has the best chance of success. Anti-nuke propaganda forces have a tough job converting over the 98% brain addled sheeple. The education levels of the 98% do not bode well for a quick reversal of the ELE policies of Monsanto and GE-Hitachi.


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  • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

    @Sickputer

    Correct as usual on every score. +1

    Also, vital's Food Lab article above showed link to lettuce being tested with a geiger counter. The only safe way to have food is to grow it yourself hydroponically or at least indoors.

    What is going on internationally is criminal behavior. Society will eventually treat it as such and there will be no defense. All who know and are silent should think about this and reverse course.


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  • RememberThis RememberThis

    Now we see why they wont take International Assistance….

    They dont want anyone to know how guilty they are and how bad it REALLY is.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    "Shadow evacuation" in Japan underway, as many Japanese families quietly leaving for "long-stay".

    "[1st media coverage] A JP major newspaper reported Japanese moving abroad due to Fukushima accident increasingly." The term translates into "long-stay" as more and more Japanese take a hike.

    http://fukushima-diary.com/2013/06/1st-media-coverage-a-jp-major-newspaper-reported-japanese-moving-abroad-due-to-fukushima-accident-increasingly/

    Reading this thread, I was reminded of the old Raid ads, where invisable death sneaks up on the bugs, who recognize death's approach too late, and can only shout "Raid!" before they die. So radiation sneaks up on hapless human targets.

    "Tokyo (CNN) — Japan's population will shrink by a staggering 30% by 2060, according to a new estimate by the country's government."
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/30/world/asia/japan-population-decline

    30% population decline expected by 2060!
    Japan's economy will, quite simply, be in ruins.
    Japan will surely slip into third world status.
    The governor of Fukushima wants to create new industry specializing in hospital equipment.
    They are going to need plenty, since in a few years, the merely sick will be caring for the dying.

    Hey, Abe! Let's get those old nuke plants restarted. Clearly, nuclear energy is good for Japan! ;)


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Fukushima governor urges government to scrap all nuclear reactors in prefecture
    June 14 2013

    http://japandailypress.com/fukushima-governor-urges-government-to-scrap-all-nuclear-reactors-in-prefecture-1430582


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  • ftlt

    Fukushima and its aftermath are another fine example of what Western Democracy has become…


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Japan's Crazy "Support By Eating" concept moves to TEPCO HQ

    "Eat and support the recovery of Fukushima – Food fair held at TEPCO"

    "Fukushima Recovery Bazaar" to sell foodstuff from Fukushima Prefecture was held on June 11 at TEPCO Headquarters in Tokyo. Made-in-Fukushima tomatoes, cherries, sake, Kitakata ramen noodles were displayed, and people formed long lines to buy them. At the company cafeteria, "soup with pork" was the very popular day's special. A TEPCO employee in charge of selling the foodstuff said, "We hope eating foodstuff made in Fukushima Prefecture will help the recovery of Fukushima. We will continue to support the recovery through various activities."
    http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2013/06/eat-and-support-recovery-of-fukushima.html
    Ah. A little more cesium for the muscles?
    A little strontium for the bones?
    Perhaps a bit of plutonium to calm the stomach?
    Death Wish Time at TEPCO, folks.
    We knew it!
    This is just nuts! ;)


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  • Philip, I bet that produce tastes great coming from what once was some of the best farmland in Japan. How many people have the equipment to test food for radiation? This is the path the technocrats have chosen because it is historically true they can fool some of the people all of the time. Look how Hitler led Germany to ruin. He got voted in too. As this disaster continues to unfold it will be clear Fukushima melt through is a big money pit. Sickputer is right nuclear powers demise will be for economic issues only and screw humanity.


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      With Echelon, PRISM, and constant universal pervasive (and unconstitutional) surveilance, corp.gov can, in fact, fool all of the people all of the time.
      A despot's dream come true.
      Making fools of all of the people all of the time.
      USA!
      USA!
      I am just SO proud today to be an American, ;)


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    • nedlifromvermont

      @Mark: correction: techno'rats'

      also, "Hitler was voted in" not quite true. In June or July of 1932, Nazi vote tally peaked at 42% of national vote. Nazis left out of governing coalition (think Tea Party types); new elections held in December, 1932, and Nazi vote tally declined, causing Adolf Hitler to lose patience with a 'legal' takeover of the government through ballot box; Hitler joined ruling coalition, as Chancellor (under Field Marshall von Hindenburg as President at 81 years) running key ministries including Defense etc., several weeks later a mysterious fire broke out in the parliament building (Reichstag) and martial law declared. Soon everyone swept up by 'Gleichschaltung': cause a riot, then say "You guys can't keep the riots down so we'll take over policing your city, state, county for you." It would be fully sixteen long months of murder and mayhem, before the "Night of the Long Knives" when Hitler ordered the murder or many rivals, previously close associates, including Rohm. This was two years before German armed forces occupied the Rhineland (displacing French occupational forces) when it still would have been possible to topple a weak, nervous and uncertain Adolf Hitler.

      But he was doing Prescott Bush's work, and so America, England and the world coddled the infant Nazi dictatorship, with predictable results.

      Anyone who spoke against "der liebe Adolf" hounded into obscurity; rather like we 'newsers are treated by our fellows


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    There is an ongoing radiation emergency at a Spent Fuel Pool (SFP) at Fukushima.
    Bobby1 has reported that the Japanese "Blog Writer of Chen", has figured out from radionuclide releases that there has been an ongoing problem in one or more of Fukushima's SFPs.
    "This is yet another criticality in the latest round of radioactive emissions which commenced in February. It is going in cycles, where the fuel heats up, releases radiation, and then Xe-135 extinguishes it, and it starts all over again. Every stage in the cycle is worse than the last one."
    http://optimalprediction.com/wp/fukushima-endgame-in-progress/
    What has been happening, beginning in February, is that at least one of the SFPs has been experiencing periodic criticalities, resulting in dramatically increased releases of radioactivity. The criticalities have been traced to a heating up of fuel in the SFPs, rather then to underground coriums, due to the type and amount of the periodic radiation releases. The releases include massive amounts of Xenon-135, which acts to end the criticality.
    Why is this happening now?
    For the purposes of this discussion, I will not include links to topics that have been extensively covered here on ENEnews, but will present a broad outline of what may be going on, most likely in SFP4.
    SPF4 was always the problem, because it contained a full charge of fuel assemblies removed from the reactor in November of 2010, when Reactor4 was taken out of service for maintenance. (To be…


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      (Con'd). The newly removed fuel in SFP4 overwhelmed the cooling system. TEPCO was forced to quickly install an auxiliary cooling system to remove excess heat from SFP4. Then, on March 11, 2011, the earthquake caused the new auxiliary pump to spring a leak. Because they had multiple power plants in various states of meltdown, nobody noticed that a lot of water was leaking from this auxiliary pump, nor that the water that remained in SFP4 was being rapidly boiled off by the hot fuel assemblies. In the chaos of the days that followed, TEPCO reported that SFP4 was periodically on fire, but that the fires appeared to put themselves out. On March 15, an explosion took the top of Unit4 off, and blew out wall panels well below the surface level of SFP4. TEPCO tried dumping water from a helicopter, and finally resorted to refilling SFP4 with sea water. They quickly shored up SFP4 with steel and concrete.
      But the damage to the 1,331 spent fuel assemblies and 204 new fuel assemblies in SFP4 had already been done. There was much conjecture that sea water would corrode and further damage spent fuel assemblies at Fukushima. One report estimated that the integrity of fuel assemblies would be fully compromised within 6 years after their immersion in sea water. Moreover, photos of SFP4 clearly showed a full load of MOX fuel, containing high amounts of plutonium. Arnie Gundersen reported that Unit4 was also sinking unevenly, up to 39". (To be Continued)


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  • NoNukes NoNukes

    When the mafia move into a neighborhood, they take over the restaurants, but not because they are suddenly interested in cooking.

    They are interested in laundering money, and they run the businesses into the ground while doing so. The people who really "own" our world are those who control the banks, including the Bank of Japan and The Federal Reserve. These are not controlled by the people of Japan or the United States.

    The mafia who control the Bank of Japan have used it since the 1990s to flood the banks and hedge funds with basically free cash, which was then used to run up the housing market and is at the heart of the 2008 economic collapse.

    This practice deeply hurt the people of Japan, just as the mafia moving into your neighborhood and taking over all of your businesses would hurt you, and even mainstream publications speak openly about the multiple "lost generations" of Japan.

    The mafia is using the Federal Reserve to do the same thing, which hurts Americans. The value of the yen and the dollar is being destroyed.

    When the mob is done using a business to launder money, they often burn it down. Now Japan and the United States are being "burned" with Fukushima radiation, and nothing is being done to stop it.

    The mafia in charge of the Bank of Japan, Federal Reserve, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, etc., seem to want this to happen, as much as the neighborhood mafia does nothing to stop the fires at their businesses.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    (Con'd). Observers were becoming increasingly alarmed at the condition of Unit4. What fate awaited the entire human race, should Unit4 crumble during another earthquake, dumping its load of spent fuel to the ground.
    So, what is up in 2013 with the spent fuel assemblies that were without water, on fire, blown up, and corroded by sea water? The fact that TEPCO has pushed the completion of the Crane Support Structure well ahead of schedule tells us that the situation must be dire.
    The following is pure conjecture:
    Dozens, perhaps hundreds, of fuel assemblies in SFP4 have failed. Raw fuel pellets have been dumped onto the floor of the pool. Each fuel assembly contains half a ton of fuel pellets. Fuel pellets are normally stacked end to end in zircaloy tubes, carefully separated to allow the hot pellets to be cooled by circulating water. Now, we have millions of hot fuel pellets that have fallen together onto the floor of SFP4. Because the fuel pellets are no longer separated by zircaloy tubes, and because the fuel is no longer being cooled efficiently by circulating water, they heat up. Way up. Here and there, the fuel pellets are going critical, producing the tell tale isotopes now being detected.
    Will there be an explosion? Perhaps, or perhaps not. This is new science, folks, and where it goes, nobody knows. If the fuel pellets get hot enough, can they will melt down, even though they are under water? Good question. Perhaps they can.


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      (Con'd).
      Now, according to Bobby1, SFP4 is being hit with wave after waves of "massive criticality".
      http://optimalprediction.com/wp/fukushima-endgame-in-progress/
      Beginning in February, 2013,
      "It is going in cycles, where the fuel heats up, releases radiation, and then Xe-135 extinguishes it, and it starts all over again. Every stage in the cycle is worse than the last one."
      Do we have any indication of just how hot it has gotten during these successively more massive crialities? Yes we do. When Reactor4 was taken out of service in November, 2010, the control rods were removed from the bottom of the reactor. These were stored in the spent fuel pool. According to Bobb1's source, "…radioactive silver-110m has been found. This comes from melted control rods. Its boiling point is 2162 degrees C, so it is clear that very high temperatures are involved."
      Finding silver-110m is a further indication that the source for the releases is SFP4, which contain the control rods pulled from Reactor4.
      Uranium oxide, aka "nuclear fuel", has a melting temperature of 2827 degrees C. If control rods are melting, we are getting close to temperatures required for a meltdown of the piles of fuel pellets on the floor of SFP4 to occur.


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      • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

        (Con'd). There was some conjecture early on that, given hot enough temperatures, the elements contained in a puddle of melted nuclear fuel on the floor of a spent fuel pool might be able to separate themselves into layers by molecular weight. When the proper purified elements reach critical mass in one of those layers, an atomic explosion is theoretically possible. (I'd enjoy hearing Arnie Gundersen weigh in on this topic.). All I know is that in 1945, it took less than one gram of uranium to kill all the men, women, children, houseplants, and household pets of Hiroshima.l
        "Approximately 600 to 860 milligrams of matter in the bomb was converted into the active energy of heat and radiation (see mass–energy equivalence for detail). It exploded with an energy of 16 kilotons of TNT."
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Boy
        Effectively vaporizing the city of Hiroshima, Japan. :(
        At this point, I would ask: "If SFP4 is full of water, how can temperatures get up to the melting point of silver-110m?" This would be a good question to explore on Monday.

        No nuke bombs.
        No nuke plants.
        No nuke waste.
        No nuke accidents.
        No nuke "leaks". ;)
        No nuke anything.
        Period.
        Peace and love, everybody. Have a great weekend.
        My vacuum cleaner calls…
        Philip on the side.


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        • Without the truth of this coming out, much hope is lost, due to trying to save 'face' and present an appearance that everything is 'shut down' and cooled off.

          The pro nuclear apologists are pretending that the plant is fine, and is being 'decommissioned', normally, with nothing to worry about.

          This report shows an out of control reaction still happening.

          Never mind the coriums. Assuming three out of control nuclear underground fire 'coriums' are also 'burping' up radioactive Xenon, plus whatever else they off gas, then we have four potential life extinction events that are possible at any moment in time.

          Yet, the coverup continues and life goes on as if all is quiet on the Japanese FUKU front. No one even mentions any of these disasters in the making, and no effort is made to counter them, because doing so would clue people in to how awful the situation really is.

          Move on, nothing to see here.


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        • What happened in Unit #3 was one of these criticality explosions. I would post a link but am all out of my # allowed in this thread. Sorry…


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          • Of course, the pro nuclear apologists counter that ALL explosions at FUKU were just harmless and innocent radioactive hydrogen explosions… But they caused no harm, killed no one and no one will ever die as a result of at least three reactors melting down and through, plus three spent fuel pools drying out, catching on fire MULTIPLE TIMES, and also exploding…

            And all of this was only 10% of Chernobyl…

            Yea, and the moon is made of swiss cheese. Yummy.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    This inevitably brings us back ..to the state of human condition.
    A great concerted effort is being put on by the pro-nuke industry.
    Pandora's Promise..
    When Pandora opened the box…she let out all the evils of the world.
    Hope was left inside when she closed it.

    By glamoury,smoke and mirrors and other displays of 'slight of hand'..TPTB want us to believe..the box (an urn)has yet to be opened.
    Scientific fact..will prove different.
    All the evils of the nuclear industry are upon us.


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  • Sickputer

    Speaking of criticality and full radiation suits…the fledgling American nuclear industry in 1961 had a terrible experience with a portable nuclear reactor in Idaho (shades of Bill Gates and his pie-in-the-sky small modular TWRs).

    It was such a grisly and gruesome nuclear accident that one of the three nuclear workers killed by the critical core explosion was left impaled to the ceiling of the containment building for six days because of massive rads of radiation hampering the recovery of his body:

    "Since your total exposure is related to the dose rate and the time spent in the radiation field, personnel can rush through the field quickly and take measurements and try to assess the damage quickly. On a rush to the reactor, they found it a shambles and found radiation levels over 500 rads/hr. With protective suits to prevent getting any radioactive particles on their bodies, they rushed to the reactor building and found two of the men, one still alive. They found the third man impaled by a control rod, pinned to the ceiling. This was about 10:30 PM.

    The survivor was transported to an ambulance and traveled several miles with a nurse before an AEC doctor pronounced him dead.

    The third worker could not be retrieved due to radiation levels in excess of 1000 rem/hour. Once the bodies were removed, they measured over 400 rad/hr from the bodies…"

    http://www.wentz.net/radiate/chernobyl2/sl-1/sl-1.html


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    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      I had read about the Idaho impalement. Three noteworthy points about the accident; no-one died from cancer; the workers were even free of infectious microbes. The men logged no complaints. Also, it was decided the man on the ceiling was in no need of immediate assistance.


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      • Sickputer

        CS sez…"no-one died from cancer"

        SP: That we know of. But the feds and state officials never tracked the rescuers or cleanup crews to see if they got sick later. Those workers would now be over 70 years old if they still live.

        Let's don't hold our breath expecting any followup information on those rescuers and decommission workers.


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