Published: May 8th, 2012 at 2:43 pm ET
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‘Classified Woman’ – Sibel Edmonds Finally Wins
The Brad Blog
May 2, 2012
[...] the Iranian-born former FBI translator [Sibel Edmonds] fought to blow the whistle on traitorous deception and cover-up inside the FBI, blackmail inside the U.S. Congress and startling allegations of espionage and nuclear secrets sold to U.S. enemies on the foreign black market by some of our nation’s highest ranking officials.
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Now, after waiting more than 340 days for the FBI’s pre-clearance review of her memoir — they are supposed to do so within 30 days — Edmonds has decided to release her own story, in full, without their prior approval or redactions.
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Edmonds translated other materials that involved the selling of U.S. nuclear information to foreigners and spotted a connection to a previous case involving the purchase of such information. The FBI, under pressure from the State Department, Edmonds writes, prevented her from notifying the FBI field offices involved. Edmonds has testified in a court deposition, naming as part of a broad criminal conspiracy Representatives Dennis Hastert, Dan Burton, Roy Blunt, Bob Livingston, Stephen Solarz, and Tom Lantos, and the following high-ranking U.S. government officials: Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, and Marc Grossman.
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Get the book now: http://www.classifiedwoman.com/
At 3:42 in
“They have individuals on their payroll on almost every nuclear facility in the United States”
h/t James Corbett
Published: May 8th, 2012 at 2:43 pm ET
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I don't know what to say. If this is true then I'm totally stunned.
Everyone in America should make sure this brave woman claims are properly looked into and that they are not brushed under the carpet.
Some of these nuclear high ups are just plain gimp bitches when it comes to cash.
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his warning ….
Listen to this incredible audio recording of a speech made by JFK before the
American Newspaper Publishers Association where he warns …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces
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In reference of the above that was spoke of there …
Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8y06NSBBRtY
It's still here and bigger and stronger then ever through the years !!!!
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video 2 11:25 in
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Well, the Sibel Edmonds story is an OLD one.
It goes back deep in to the Bush administration.
At this point her story is over 10 years old.
It is also, obviously, "a-political" in that there are so
many players on all sides of the US political spectrum who
fought long and hard to keep her quiet about what she knows.
And the nuclear aspect is just part of her story.
The Bush administration went so far as to create a legal
gag order on her that said she was not allowed to say where
she went to college (it was in the US), what she studied in college (in the US), or what she tried to tell her superiors
within the FBI about what she figured out from translating
conversation between certain Middle Eastern individuals and the FBI, as an employee of the FBI.
(Fluent in Turkish, Persian, English and Azerbaijani)
Never mind all of the very serious and important stuff she was trying to communicate across many aspects of US govt about 911, to no avail.
No doubt Sibel Edmonds nuclear story will some day (soon) read like that of Anna Mae Aquash (also known as Anna Mae Pictou Aquash)
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fireguyjeff,
Not new, LQQK UP !
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HERO!!
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To Admin: Ever thought of taking donations through paypal. If I gave you refunds from multiple buys on Ebay it wouldn't feel like I spending any money.
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paypal works, i've done it myself
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Anne Harris and other nuke whistleblowers. may there be more
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/forum/index.php/topic,21.msg58.html#msg58
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how cool is Corbett!! well done! the new media (on the cheap) bargain
update on turkey lol! couldnt resist!!
turkey reactor radiation earthquake on the 4 april 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ6cPWsNmq4&feature=plcp
wont find that in the MSM!!
err might be that dodgy armenian reactor though??
or maybe not!
turkish-earthquake-isotope release cover up!!!
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arclight,
Dead fish cause panic in Western Turkey *UPDATED*
To Mass Animal Death on Thursday, May 03, 2012
http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/2093/073/
Fish kill scare along Kuwait bay
To Mass Animal Death on Tuesday, May 08, 2012
http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/2111/585/
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from your site…
"May 4, 2012 – TURKEY – A 5.1-magnitude earthquake hit the Kutahya province in western Turkey, the Istanbul-based Kandilli seismology center reported. The quake occurred at 6:20 pm local time with its epicenter in Tokat village of Hiharcik town in Kutahya, according to the seismology center affiliated to Bogazici University. The epicenter, with a depth of 3.1 km, was felt in some towns near Hiharcik and many citizens ran out of their houses in the province with panic. –Ynet News
5.1-magnitude quake hits western Turkey
Published: 05.03.12, 19:58 / Israel News
A 5.1-magnitude earthquake hit the Kutahya province in western Turkey, the Istanbul-based Kandilli seismology center reported.
The quake occurred at 6:20 pm local time with its epicenter in Tokat village of Hiharcik town in Kutahya, according to the seismology center affiliated to Bogazici University. The epicenter, with a depth of 3.1 km, was felt in some towns near Hiharcik and many citizens ran out of their houses in the province with panic. (News agencies)"
to confirm it is a japanese and russian consortium trying to build a nuclear power plant in turkey?? not very wise i suspect??
thanks for the link though bro!
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arclight, Earth quakes were '2 day later update',
the fish died before the quake ! I put the quake there as to possible indicators of earth gases, but had no knowledge of the radiation release the month before !! As to the possibility of radiation being the cause of the fish kill and not due to waves and wind ??
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got you on the gases thing?? but it might be worth noting that i got a very high a durable peak in greece of up to 0.56 mcSv/h for an hour on the 4 april quake
.. they could still be having problems with one or more medical reactors.. maybe a "legal"discharge? will keep an eye on the situation anyway!!
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heres some data from eurdep showing the following switch off of the eurdep mapping system..
point to note
i contacted the eurdep software manager dude and he was unaware 2 weeks into the switch off that the monitoring system had been switched off.. even the lux monitoring staff didnt contact him and they might have known about the switch off or radon washout ???
the manager was really helpful and had the system running properly within a few days!! still who did the switch off?? WHO would have the power to do that ?? any IaEA anyone??? it is supposed to be ready for the emergency services?? glad we didnt have a meltdown eh??
london contamination from france 7 april 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayuniMI07aE
obviously there was more than one reason to switch off the monitoring system and NOT tell the relevant departments…
the eurdep manager was also surprised to see the pink colour as background (it was changed to make it difficult to video the map!! didnt work though
i covered that episode on earlier videos…)
watch the second half for the graphs from eurdep.. the 0.56 greek peak is on there as well!
so we can stick a bit of a conspiracy sorrounding EURDEP!! the european public FUNDED radiation monitoring system!!
BUT THERE ARE SOME REALLY GOOD GUYS AND GIRLS THERE!!
and the future mrs arclight too!!
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Well they all seem to be on the same page with the antics everywhere !
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arclight,
Yes often before/during/after a quake methane/carbon dioxide gas can be released and this can cause fish deaths, and sometimes many animal and people deaths for the air can be filled with methane/carbon dioxide and no one can breath !
An estimated 1800 people and 6000 cattle were asphyxiated in the eruption. … As methane gas from continental margins moved upwards through the …
http://www.killerinourmidst.com/methane%20catastrophe.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Kivu
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speechless
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Front page!
Everywhere!
Pleeease!
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blimey! paul newman??!!
and you are lovely sibel
shukran!!
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Classified Woman-The Sibel Edmonds Story: A Memoir [Paperback]
Sibel D Edmonds (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Classified-Woman-The-Sibel-Edmonds-Story/dp/0615602223
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Thanks anne I look forward to reading this remarkable woman's story and also want to support her extraordinary efforts.
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troll alert. NOW MM is calling us out!! Quoting from a Japan times article. WHO HAS BEEN LYING FOR OVER A YEAR?!?!? THE J GOV TEPCO!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/05/japan-nuclear-reactors_n_1483084.html THESE GUYS HAVE NO SHAME!! grrrrrrrrrrr
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Whoopie–You probably won't reply. You rarely do. But I just got led on another wild whoopi chase. Who (or what) is MM? Michael Moore? Magic Mirror? Who is "us"? Enenews? HuffPo? To what does't thou refer, speedy Damsel?
Ir's Whoopie the hummingbird, now you see her, now she's zoomed over somewhere else without leaving a clue.
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Many have forgot Karen Silkwood….
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Wll 60 Minutes interview her.
How about a Hollywood movie contract.
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@Gotham…I doubt the MSM will touch her, haven't done so in all these 9 or 10 years.
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dharmasyd,
The owners of the reactors owen the news industry ! DUH !
Why say our shit stinks !?
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xdrfox…What are you saying to me. Sounds like you don't think I know this. I saw another comment you just made—that you thought the radiation has gotten to you. After this reply to me, I think you may be correct. Did I say, "…our shit stinks!?" Or did you?
I realize I don't fit in here. I comment less and less because my comments always seem to prompt strange responses.
I come here only to find out information of what has happened recently. I will continue to limit my replies.
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please don't limit your replies dharma.
it's a big world and a lot of us may not fit in all the right places, but if we were all the same the world would be very boring.
forums can be confusing, and as i've been recently told, don't take it personally
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dharmasyd,
Not sure of the confusion, The MSM is owned by the Nuke guys so why should they say their shit stinks was my meaning !
Overcoming the brainwashing of over 50 years will be hard to do !
Again seeing Jay on the tonight show and asking question to younger people make one realize that we are in deep shit as far as people understanding the world around them and our past, but Hollywood tonight is the educator now, what yes shadow and who is dating who !
Radiation getting to me was a metaphor ! Besides the nodule on my lung they found a few months past !
Reminds me, time to see the doc/get/pics/scans and if it has grown !
We are screwed !
: D
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Hey xdrfox, I think the exclamation marks are throwing people off. Imagine that paragraph with periods instead of the space and exclamation at the end. It would read more smoothly and I feel people would respond better. Give it a try and see how it goes. Anyone else agree?
And good luck at the doc's.
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ENENews.
you are not admin, correct ? :
exclamation marks, … Where ?
Much is lost on type, eye movement, facecail exspretions, tone, been saying for year here, not the best to exspress in totalaty of ones meanings, but I do add a givin with these guys !
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Yeah it's admin.
Seriously? You are asking "Exclamation marks, … Where?"
They are at the end of nearly every sentence you type.
Like I said above, maybe try and stop using exclamation marks for a while.
Plain and simple: It makes you look a bit hysterical and since you post the most comments of anyone, it does not reflect so well on this site.
This is the last comment I am making on the matter… back to work for me. Nite xdrfox
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ENENews.
You are only a Name, you are not of a party of logic behind the real site, seen this from your very first post !
Be who you are not what you are not !
You have much to offer, do it in the right way !
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You are a PHONY !
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admin,
Of it's you you are a bigger problem then our Gov. You are becoming a DICTATOR, jealous of truthers ! !
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ENENews,
BLOCK ME YOU IMPOSTOR !!!!
FUKU U
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Wow
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ENENews
May 9, 2012 at 12:42 am · Reply
Yeah it's admin.
Seriously? You are asking "Exclamation marks, … Where?"
They are at the end of nearly every sentence you type.
WRONG U ASS HOLE !
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xdrfox, I really appreciate your posts and your opinion on many things nuclear and beyond (sometimes far beyond, in fact).
But you just crossed a line here, and I think an apology is necessary now.
This is still Admin's site, he/she set this place up, navigated it through hard times (4chan attack, server problems, etc.)and is doing a fantastic job in providing us all with information and a platform for discussion.
Your aggression is really really uncalled for.
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I do agree.
I also highly regard each comment from xdrfox (please let us know test results- and nobody keeps track of the planet as lovingly as you),
dharmasyd (I feel unfit or misfit here, too- please keep talking), and Admin (rarified and tactful mediation- and thank you for everything else you bring to our attention).
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ENENews
You are of the ones we fight !
Your ego has brought your downfall !
People do not need to take your suggestions !
We have a right to express in our own way !
You will see this in many places !
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Hi xdrfox, I am keeping you in my thoughts and prayers. So sorry to hear they have found a nodule on your lung. My best wishes, and sincerely, prayers, to you and your family. I hope you will continue to stay in touch with SJ. She has many insights for detoxing the body and restoring health.
I'd be happy to share any insights I have, as well.
As for misunderstandings, I'm not going to get involved. I have respect for you all. I understand these are trying times for all of us! (exclamation point)
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I have to say I agree with admin on this one. I personally find that too many exclamation marks make posts come across as a continuous rant and serves to distract me from fully taking in the valuable information being posted. It comes across as 'shouting' to me.
@xdrfox, I really DO appreciate the contents of your posts. I learn such a lot from you. I would be very saddened if you continued to be offended by admin's request and decide not to post here again. Please have this ((((cyber hug)))). I also hope your test results go OK – best wishes for this.
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I think there is a particular shill or shills who complain about anyone's comments who are insightful. Get mad at that person or persons instead of ADMIN.
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Admin, what you are simply trying to say is write as if for a professional report (cause this is what this blog/discussion group will become valuable for). Personally I use some "non" standard symbols such as "-" or "…", so will try and keep an eye on my "english" or amenglish as well. Just a reminder to me for the need to document and provide data/comments we can all point back to.
@xdrfox, do appreciate your valuable comments and your key observations. Its so hard when we are all stressed out and especially for you with your medical issue. Would hate to hear my Doc say I had a nodual ANYWHERE, cause I have been there. (((cyber hug)))#2.
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dharmasyd, I like you and your posts! Keep 'em coming!! Exclamation mark!
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admin has lost it !!!
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I have many emails of folks here, reconsider or … "" "" LOL
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Bread & Butter…Thanks for your reply and support. I appreciate your contributions here also.
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dharmasyd – i'm with b&b, but my early comment of support for you has not been 'released', possibly due to the 'fox' situation.
stick with it.
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Richard…Thanks much!
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dharmasyd, I love you and your posts too. You are my elder.
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+1000 (((cyber hugs))) for dharmasyd too.
Forums can be difficult places to communicate in at time but please let's all keep close-knit in this battle. We need everyone onboard helping each other through what lies ahead.
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Same!
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Xdrfox, sending you by very best and wishing you good health as you visit the doctor.
Take good care of yourself. Big, healing {{{hugs}}} coming your way! xo
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This one started with Gotham's "Wll 60 Minutes interview her"?
60 minutes was actually the first — and possibly only — major media outlet to report on Edmonds: "She first told Correspondent Ed Bradley her story a year after Sept. 11." http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18560_162-526954.html
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This story is September 10, 2009 .
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18560_162-526954.html
I used to watch TV for my news then and saw this broadcast of 60 minutes with Ms. Edmond's story. I wish the support for her included support for the anti-nuclear movement. I'm afraid it might just be the usual orchestrated drama between Republicans and Democrats which seems to cover up the real issues.
Is there a movement of prominent Democrats against nuclear energy or use of DU?
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Wow, Slow down dharmasyd you can't stop posting you were the first one to post on Enenews. I've been here since 12-03-12 and I've read every story and the place would not be the same without you. You are right though lots of links not enough opinion and discussion.
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Oops that,s 12-03-11! Silly me!
Oops Exclamation points……Me bad little blue light.
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dharma, please stay with us! Your input is welcome here!
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owen = owns
LOL
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i love all you guys and gals!! (err sorry about the exclamation marks
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i luv xdr and admin and dharymsyd etc………..
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but this is turning into the great gypsy wedding but without the beer!! (oops!) (argh its really hard not to use exclamation marks
peace light and love to one and all….. only 300 years till all the cesium 137 is gone errrrrrrr ! (oops)
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I like to think its like a kinda family – there can be some real time eruptions and misunderstandings. We for whatever personal reasons have been drawn to keeping informed about some pretty heavy duty stressful information. Sometimes it is overwhelming. But in the end, if it hits the fan, I know I will face that time stronger and wiser and more capable because of the myriad of relationships and knowledge I have gained hanging here and fighting at the table with you all.
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@Anthony!
That is SOOO true! I lived next door to an Italian family growing up,….man, did they fight,….and did they LOVE! They were so bloody passionate,…they'd take a bullet for anyone of their family members,…to be sure. Or cold cock them,..if they needed it!
See, we're more civilized than that!
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Well said, Anthony.
I personally appreciate having the diverse styles of communications (including exclamation points! One of my favorites, being the effusive, passionate person that I am!)
Can't we all just get along…and live and let live?
I do have one suggestion for admin: rather than chiming in with a personally-targeted comment for someone, why not email them directly to discuss the issue, rather than dragging it out into the open forum, for all to read?
Some people are sensitive and might take this like it was meant to be a "scolding" from "daddy" or "Big Brother", who swoops in to reprimand the bad child.
Not saying that was how it was actually intended, but for those of us who might be more sensitive than others, it might be perceived as such.
This could then be a source of possible embarrassment, having to defend oneself in such a public forum. Rather, simply emailing the person privately (admin does have everyone's email from their registrations, yes?) could do wonders to help "save face", reduce risk of embarrassment, and to smooth potentially ruffled feathers.
Let's keep the focus of this forum on what counts the most, trying to share information with each other and the world about the serious issues we face due to nuclear power and its deadly spread of radiation.
Just my two cents.
Thank you!
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P.S. I hope we can continue to have Xdrfox and Dharmasyd participate and share with us here.
P.S.S. Apologies do much to soothe ruffled feathers…and big men and ladies make liberal use of them. It is how to get along in the world, apologizing for any hurt feelings one causes along the way. That being said, let me be the first to apologize to anyone here who I may have offended by any of my past comments! It is never my intent to offend anyone here!
Peace and love to all.
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Yes, just my opinion, but I've always taken it better when I was taken aside privately, and my flaws were discussed in that manner. Have learned the hard way, too, it's not a good idea to draw attention to the flaws publicly. It tends to make people defensive and it's more difficult to make your point.
Again, just my opinion. Have made many communications blunders in my life ….
And will probably continue to make gaffe's as I'm only human.
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… flaws were discussed privately, that is.
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(This is the fourth of five posts about the American godfather of nonviolent resistance, Gene Sharp, and the role of CIA and Pentagon-funded foundations and think tanks in funding and promoting nonviolent resistance.)
"1973 – publishes The Politics of Nonviolent Action (1973) with an introduction by Thomas C. Shelling. Shelling was a well known economist and professor of foreign affairs, national security, nuclear strategy, and arms control. After working with US ambassador Averel Harriman in Paris in 1948 to implement the Marshall Plan, Shelling had a fifty year affiliation with the Rand Corporation (US military think tank) and is widely credited as the theoretician behind military escalation in Vietnam."
http://stuartbramhall.aegauthorblogs.com/tag/rand-corporation/
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"RAND Corporation was founded in 1948. RAND Corporation is one of the leading public policy research institutions in the US, offering analysis and research in such areas as education, health care, national security, science and technology, and transportation. RAND Corporation staff of more than 950 scientists and researchers offer their insights primarily to government policy makers, but RAND also serves private businesses and international organizations. The not-for-profit enterprise traces its roots to Project RAND, a research group formed during WWII by Douglas Aircraft (later McDonnell Douglas and now part of Boeing) to provide technical guidance to the military.
web site url : http://www.rand.org/
The Rising Incidence and Profitability of Prostate Cancer
Apr 14, 2011
"…..Those numbers make treatment of prostate cancer and disease a booming business. The New York Times reported in 2009 that the average cost in the U.S. for prostate surgery was $23,000, proton therapy $100,000 and targeted high-dose radiation therapy up to $50,000, according the RAND Corporation data. Yet those are averages. Surgeries can range over $64,000 and high-dose radiation treatment can reach the $100,000 mark….."
http://steve-vogel.suite101.com/the-rising-incidence-and-profitability-of-prostate-cancer-a365701
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And lest we forget, or in case someone here doesn't know, the Rand Corporation was, for many years, the career home of perhaps the greatest whistleblower of them all, Daniel Ellsberg. May he, and all of us, protect Bradley Manning.
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Mean't to say, let us all protect Bradley Manning AND Sybil Edmonds and all whistleblowers who try to bring forth the truth.
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agreed dharmasyd.. we cant thank these wonderful people enough!
and poor bradley manning! he isnt forgotten.. man of peace.. man of conscious ..
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"Leaked video shows civilian killings in Iraq"
-graphic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8qI1bi16GM&feature=fvwrel
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Amen to that!
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Could you imagine if there were no whistle blowers?
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In one of the videos, Richard Perle is also exposed by Ms. Edmonds.
Expatriate Richard Perle
By Kurt Nimmo
3-10-3
http://www.rense.com/general35/eax.htm
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Wolfowitz chilling speech
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcxI5wpDueE
“Few months before 911 Wolfowitz gave a chilling speech at west point. It was all doom and gloom. It sounded strange. I recently acquired a copy of the speech and I do not know what to make of it.”
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How incredibly rare: a beautiful woman, and with very high I.Q., very well spoken, full of courage, standing up for truth and doing what is right, even when it engenders danger to her.
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And regarding the state of the FBI and the government: how incredibly fast is the moral decay when the rot starts and festers. How fast a great nation can go down!
If you've ever watched the 1979 movie, "First Strike", the military men and women in this movie, real personnel and not actors, practically give off moral decency and goodness, I can see it in them at least.
Obviously, we no longer have this.
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It's stress, anxiety the thought of the unknown, known that gets me off kilter. I think I understand!
Please, let us continue to be kind, one to another, for we are each of us together in our pain! Scorn Tepco!
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Thanks to all of you— eatliesndies, Wotcha, The Blue Light. Ho taters, arclight, richard, Bread and Butter, and any I may have missed — for your support and welcoming. All for now! Blessings and love to all here at ene, even when I don't always understand or agree.
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O.K.,….I am late to the weird-ass'd party! This thread has nothing weird from my friend Doc,….so I am completely in the dark. Please friends,…not gossip,…but please fill me in?
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i think xd had some bad news and admin inadvertantly pushed a button.. as far as i understand.. xd hasnt posted since and the posts above were fairly quick.. hopefully, will resolve..
peace to all here and there!
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Re heavy use of exclamation marks and caps … since it has come up, I have to admit that I have thought that there are a couple of posters here who overdo it in that department and it does look a bit – well, emotional… non-serious… teenage-girlish?
I myself haven't noticed drfox doing it that much but I have noticed it in a couple of others and thought to myself that it kind of 'lowers the tone' of the website. But it didn't seem 'my place' so to speak to mention it. (Seemed rude and grumpy.)
But since it has come up, and just to be perfectly honest…
We do want to look like serious and intelligent people who think and have some information (or relevant considered opinion/thoughts) – not just emoting – to share before we pop out a message. We want to attract/appeal to serious and intelligent people – more of them, I mean, as we have a lot of bright, thoughtful, and informed people regularly posting here.
Re drfox – I hope you don't go away drfox. Please don't leave. You post so many good and interesting things.
I don't want anyone to leave; I'm just agreeing that it is appropriate to think about the impression we make on potential readers/contributors.
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My fault Bleep, The other night when xdrfox posted about the release in Florida. This family loves FL OJ. Always in the frig. One less food item on my menu now. I agree and will not caps until you do.
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Thank you for chiming in, Bleep. It is interesting to see the range of opinions here.
While I can understand how some may perceive the use of exclamation points as "unprofessional," if you think about it, enenews is an online forum and not a scientific journal. So I do not think it should be judged as such.
Yes, we do share scientific data and intelligent insight here, but the main purpose of this or any online forum is for people to communicate with each other. As such, given the people here are a diverse group, their communication styles are bound to be different.
As someone who loves to use exclamation points, CAPS for emphasis (my smartphone keyboard doesn't do italics) and smiley faces and sad faces to express, yes, emotions, I have no issues with the use of them, as I feel they help further hone in on the true intent and meaning of our statements.
I personally feel (note the use of the word "feel" rather than "think") that emotions are a vital part of who we are. As such, being able to express our emotions is a gift, and what makes us human. I know our American society (and others) have taught us that being "girlish" and "emotional" is bad, but I take great issue with this (what I feel is a sexist) statement.
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(continued)…
…Generally speaking (but not a hard and fast rule), girls and women tend to show their emotions more readily when communicating. To call someone "girlish"and or "emotional" as a negative judgment is to me emblematic of our indoctrination by a patriarchal, sexist society.
People who feel deeply and are sensitive and emotional can also be highly intelligent. The two do not have to be mutually exclusive of one another.
I for one believe part of the reason our world is in the irradiated mess that it is was because our top (male) leaders and scientists who helped create this mess were so out of touch with their emotional side and their humanity, believing that to be "cold and calculated" in their decision-making made them superior in such decision-making to others who were less cold and more emotional (e.g. women).
If these nuclear "geniuses" had stopped for once, putting their cold calculations aside for a moment, to consider the very real, very potentially emotion-filled, very HUMAN consequences of theiractions decisions to play God and manipulate the atom to have the ultimate control over their "enemies" and the world through the atom bomb, we might have not gotten to the difficult place in which we find ourselves today.
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Opps! Make that: "very HUMAN consequences of their decisions…"
Continued….
…So while I appreciate your desire to maintain a professional tone and appearance, I'm not sure being cut off from our emotions or banning the use of exclamation points will matter much in the long run.
If the site did morph into a staid, sullen purely scientific journal, well…I'm not sure how many of us would continue to participate. Let's be honest with outselves and each other, the majority of us here are not trained scientists. And I like enenews just the way it is.
That being said, I do believe we need to maintain civility and respect for each other, lest the conversation and tone quickly devolve into something distasteful. We do not want to offend or drive anyone away due to rudeness or disrespectful behavior.
Anyway, that is just my two cents, of course, Bleep. And with that, I bid you a good night!
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Make that: "with OURselves", not "outselves."
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+2, What-About-The-Kids!
Bleep,
How many teenage girls have blown up the world and turned babies into jellyfish, children without bones?
Zero.
How many "adult," "reserved," "unemotional" *sounding* men have done so?
Countless.
I say we are better off with the teenage girls.
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Thanks, NoNukes!
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WATK, it's all a matter of degree. (Thanks for the kind words btw.) Of COURSE I am not saying that they should be totally avoided(!) Caps and exclamation marks have their place. But when a person's posts are regularly studded with beaucoup excl. marks, and words/phrases all in caps – well I think it is a bit much. In all things be moderate, etc. Caps and excl. marks are for emphasis.
And of COURSE I am not saying emotion is a bad thing and we should try to be like Dr. Spock. But the main purpose of the site is to receive and transmit information.
And we want people to take the website seriously because we want this information to get out. And people will respect the website more, I think, if it is primarily information-focused. As mentioned, it's not all or nothing – it's a matter of degree. Most English teachers (I do have a B.A. in English Lit., not that that means all that much) would agree that a judicious use of these indicators of emphasis or emotion is more effective than plastering one's writing with them.
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Thanks for clarifying, Bleep. Yes, I agree, it is a matter of degree.
You do raise a good point: a judicious use of such punctuation devices does help add more import to one's words. Over-use of them certainly can have a counter effect to their intended purpose.
That being said, being that we were not all English majors here, I don't think we should over-think this issue any longer (as I am guilty of doing, oh so serious-minded as I oft can be!) ;-D LOL
So, let's get back to focusing on the issues at hand. Now how ARE we going to accomplish our goal of shutting down nuclear plants for good in the coming months and years? Anybody have some additional ideas?
To be continued…
G'nite all! Sweet dreams to you and yours.
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b_h_b…Yes…Moderate & Rational…+20
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TY dharmasyd for kind remarks.
I agree with those who have a problem with the use of profanity/swearing here on this website. It really 'lowers the tone.'
Once again – of course I'm not saying that we should eschew the use of caps & exclamation marks. I use them myself. But their over-use simply reduces the effectiveness of a communication & ends up being – to me – a distraction & an annoyance – &, again my opinion – can make the writer look rather foolish/hysterical.
Pointing out that they can be over-used is not a wholesale condemnation of a poster & should not be taken a such. But of course it hurts to be critiqued in a public forum like this – still, we have to try to master our feelings & not over-react to what might be a reasonable criticism of our writing style. Such criticism can actually help us to improve our style – & the effectiveness of our posts.
Whoopie has been a heavy user of caps & excl. marks & I have long thought that she would do well to stop using them so heavily.
But I get 'good vibes' from Whoopie & do not doubt that she has a good heart & is very sincerely concerned about this real & huge problem that we are all faced with.
Same with drfox. He really cares, is appropriately concerned, posts good links, & is trying in his way to share important info, even though he perhaps cannot be active due to health issues. (I have the health issues too, xdrfox, & can sincerely sympathize – my problems all arose AFTER 3/11.)
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One additional thought – just my POV – it seems that Admin. has the problem of trying not to be too heavy-handed/controlling while on the other hand wanting the website to be a good one, and one that concerned and intelligent people will take seriously and become involved with, as readers and possibly contributors.
Over-all, I think Admin. does a good job in this regard.
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Agreed, Bleep. Running any website forum is a daunting task and the fact that enenews has worked this well for over a year now says a lot about the way its been managed.
Hats off to Admin!
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Yes, it is their caring hearts and intense concern to try and help the planet that shines through in both Xdrx's and Whoopie's postings, and that is why I love them and their posts.
If anyone doesn't like someone's posts, as long as the content isn't rude or disrespectful, they can simply skip them. That's what I do.
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Totally agree.
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xdrfox was exposed to Agent Orange while in the service in Vietnam. Our hearts and prayers are to all those who have been harmed or killed fighting for our freedom. We can never thank them enough for their sacrifice!!!!!
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And that goes for his son also who has been exposed to chemical and biological agents and DU while fighting for our freedom in Iraq.
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Whew…what can I say?
Thanks for sharing this with us, Anne. I have even greater admiration, respect and empathy for Xdrfox and his son.
The true ugly face of hatred and war. Let's do whatever we can to end war, hatred and violence and nuclear power, which contributes so much to that end.
And let's make it our goal to keep enenews a friendly, compassionate and supportive place where we learn to communicate effectively and respectfully with one another, just a little microcosm of the greater world we wish to see.
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True, you can just overlook some posts etc.
But it appears that Admin. has an appropriate concern with how the site looks to others, new-comers, etc.
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Bleep,
I am here because of Whoopie and StillJill as much as anyone else, and I am not alone. They are superstar communicators. Social glue seems to flow from their fingertips, and I bet that many here stayed because of their welcome, as much as anything else. They have added an unbelievable amount of information to this website.
I respectfully request that you discontinue your critiques of others, at least until you have posted as much helpful information as they have. Thank you.
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I have been "guilty" of this (using exclamation points) and also using characters in place of profanity when things are particularly disturbing.
If we're going to go after people for the relatively innocuous use of punctuation marks, why not go after the profanity? I find it very distasteful. It screams to me, "not to be taken seriously," and "I'm out of control."
Just my opinion.
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I hope I haven't offended anyone, truly. The use of profanity is really distasteful.
"Let your speech be seasoned" and "put aside all filthiness" is my thinking on this.
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The reply button is definitely not working on this thread.
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Are you fucking kidding me? That's what THIS is about? Whose arse do I need to kick? Who's playing school maid again? Lemme at 'em!
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And,…where the hell is Whoopie? She'd LOVE this one! Is she sidetracked by this BS too?
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StillJill…I'm sorry our positive relation has faded, but I feel it has. I feel it is from something other than playing school marm, however. Nonetheless, I'll admit I do play school marm with Whoopie; her lack of intellectual integrity annoys me as I see it as destructive to our cause. And when I allow my self to be seduced by her sensational headlines and click her links, only to be led on a wild whoopie chase with either wrong or non information, I comment that my time has been wasted.
I've been trying not to comment much on this, so understand that my response to you is an expression of my like and appreciation for you. This in spite of the fact that I feel our friendship has faded. Want to work it out?
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dharmasyd,
The only one responsible for clicking on links while you are on your computer is you, and if you are still clicking on links that Whoopie posts, then it is probably because she posts an unbelievable amount of important information. Whoopie posts all of her information for FREE, she isn't even getting advertising dollars. How much free information have you posted for her? Is it anywhere near equal? How about balancing the critiques with a lot more information that you have researched, and gratitude. Aren't gratitude and compassion a central part of Buddhism?
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No Nukes. Of course I am the only one respnsible for my clicks. Of course gratitude and compassion are a central part of Buddhism.
Whoopie is obvioiusly a much better, much more productive, much more interesting person than I am.
Thank you no nukews for telling me how bad I am. I savor your criticism even though it smacks of all the things I dislike about enenews. You're correct. Whoopie contributes a lot. I contribute nothing. What a joke.
Since I contribute so little, you won't miss me not posting anymore. For those of you who have supported me, I'm sorry. For those who agree with no nukes, "Just drop kick me Jesus through the goal posts of enenews!
Sorry, Admin, but I don't choose to put up with this anymore. You have doen a wondergful job, Admin. Keep up the good work. I'll check in, but I won't post anymore. And it is clear that many here will be glad to see me gone. I don't think I have ever been so disliked in my entire life.
One final word to StillJill: Several months back you said that some folks (don't remember who, maybe Tepco or Gov) should suffer and die painful deaths. Many contributors here got on your case. I responded with what I thought was support for you,…)(cont)
Accuracy and fact checking are a central part of reporting. Whoopie posts a lot, mostly sensationalized, seductive headlines which lead to nonsense. I guess I just have too much rigorous academic training for this web site.
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That is not true. I was the second one who responded to that poster who wished harm! You produce any post where I did that! I have NEVER wished physical harm on ANYONE PERSONALLY! You are a mean animal!
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dharmasyd,
I never said that you were bad. I never said that Whoopie is better person, a more interesting person or any of what you are implying.
Are you trying to get me banned, too, for things I didn't say? I haven't drop kicked anyone. Why are you twisting my post, suggesting things that are not true?
All that I am suggesting is that we have empathy for those who spend a great part of their day researching for free, and that we spend less time critiquing and more time researching on our own, and offering our gratitude.
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Thank you NoNukes for everything you've said in support of me. I am sorry you are getting some of dh's and my mud on you! Keep your head down,….it might get messy my friend!
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It never pays to get too invested in hurt feelings when you have a give and take relationship with folks on a forum.
Just like in real life relationships except on the net people will actually offer critiques instead of telling gossip behind your back. It is what it is. You either develop a thick skin or you lurk or you leave. I imagine that's why 95% of discussion group members globally never post because they can't deal with criticism.
I guarantee you nobody can hurt my feelings with a critical followup. Probably the same for Whoopie, or a dozen regulars even if they are told to Fuku off.
But…There are some good admin rules on this forum and it is not a free-for-all. If I tell someone off in a bad way I would expect to be banned. This is not alt.flame which by the way is an ancient Usenet group still running around foaming at the mouth with 55,000 members. Bad manners never seems to die. Ciao.
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@ dharmasyd, I have not followed your dialogue with SJ, that has somehow gotten negative – but I seem to be on her bleep-list too. (Btw also similar to what you have said, no matter how hard I try to be respectful & not tread on anyone's toes, I seem to draw flak.)
I try to keep my comments respectful & issue-oriented, but often SJ seems to be there to fire off an emotional (& critical) response/reaction. I imagine I'm the 'school maid' or 'school marm' or whatever that she (most recently) has been contemptuously referring to – rather than responding to the SUBSTANCE of my posts – my actual line of reasoning.
In debates, this is called argument ad hominem, arguing against the other person's character, style, personality, etc. rather than remaining issue-focused; it is not considered a legitimate tactic. In fact, it is a way of avoiding the subject rather than dealing with it).
Personal attacks, name-calling ('school marm' etc.) are out of place here.
Yes, I'm more on the academic side of the spectrum. Somehow I find it hard to see that as a bad thing.
Better than letting the emotions rule.
My opinion – On a serious issue-focused forum such as this one, we should all try not to be jerked around by our emotions – avoid impulsively posting in anger, making personal attacks, etc. Take some time to cool out if need be. Try to remain issue-focused. (Actually, most posters here do remain issue-focused and respectful.)
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dh,…do you read EVERY post? Do you know for SURE the last time I posted to you?
No,…and NO.
I posted a lovely post to you the day you stood out in the rain,…or planned to. I think it was as recently as the anniv. of FUKU,…March 11th, or a few days before. I even offered to come down and stand with you. I'd find the post,….but NOT WORTH MY TIME! (Like the caps?) No?,……then I'll do some exclamation marks to really blow off some steam!
You don't even know your own resentments,…or their origin. I do. You've had it out for me since I went anti UNION on you about a month ago. Your PRO UNION post was,…….somethin!
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@StillJill: it makes me sad to see you fighting. I can see this thread's been running for more than a few hours and from I'm gathering, is premised on everything from past slights to misunderstanding. Let's not feed the monster anymore than it needs. I have a lot of respect for you and dharmasyd. It's wrong to see good people going at it, especially when we all know what the real threat is…
…love to you Jill and dharmasyd. I'm going on the side…
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I want xdrfox back. This HARM must be undone,…friend!
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Notice who has been run off? poordaddy, or-well, xdrfox, and many others. Enjoy your school Marms! Have fun kiddies!
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James2 also… this reminds me of the board I used to post at before I came here, the good people were banned or left in disgust. The people left would say stuff like "mutations are good"… I hope that doesn't happen here.
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I miss James2 also, wish that we could find him. Or-well and Poor Daddy have been around a little, but it is not the same without everybody.
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StillJill, (cont) The last time I replied to you after your anger at the Fuku officials and many got on your case, I defended you, at least I thought I was defending you. that was the feekling in my heart as I mentioned Elizabeth Kubler Ross' "Five Stages of Grief". She applied these to the dying process, but they are true for any tragic situation like the one we are in.
I supported you by saying that it looked like you were justifiably in that middle stage of the gfrieving process which is anger. After that, you never spoke to me again. I felt, and still feel, disappointed and vastly misunderstood.
But it is obvious to me that many here would prefer me to be gone, including you, even though I do believe you misunderstood my attempt to be kind to you.
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@dharmasyd: can't speak for others attitudes towards you. I will say I've enjoyed most everything you've done out here…
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I will start posting on all Media other then here, what you are doing, with all post, that are being censored ! ENENNEWS will suffer !
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Dr. Fox, So sorry you have a nodule on a lung. I've appreciated your comments and know others have, too, and would like to keep hearing from you. Please take good care of yourself, w/ nutrition and enuff Zzzzzz's, etc and manage stress as best you can. Tough times, on the personal and planetary planes. What makes you happy? Or serene? Music? Tried meditation? I can write easy instructions if you want. Physical exercise lifts most people's spirits, and connection with others. I'm imagining a big collective group hug, dears. What we're going thru together is extraordinary, we virtual strangers contemplating the potential end, brainstorming, trying to figure it out, how bad it is, how to mitigate, what to do, sharing crucial info etc. Thnx for showing your face drfox (if that's you in the photo), and thnx to all for expressing thoughts and feelings. Given what's at stake, here on the brink, someone losing it on occasion is understandable.
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Is that a threat, xdrfox? Are you serious? You're threatening this platform?
Somehow i find it hard to believe it's really you – I almost hope your username has been hijacked.
If it's you, then you lost it, I'm afraid.
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xdrfox,
I have a Ph.D. in literature. And I am NEVER bothered by your exclamation marks. I look for content, and you posts never fail to give new, meaning content. I think we should be discussing nuclear issues and not digressing about meaningless side issues. If we are really worried by the people reading this blog, these people will not be looking at the punctuation like some old maid elementary school teacher, but at the content for news.
Anyone on this blog will be interested in the environment and someone's commitment to protecting life and the environment, and on these issues you are right at the top and highly appreciated by people with like concerns.
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xdrfox,
Are you not posting? We are already suffering then. We can't lose you, too. I didn't know that you have a nodule on your lung, I'm so sorry. You have to let us know what is happening. Please come back!
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i dont think that is the real xdrfox, not his style….
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Hi mungo, hopefully!! Would be quite disappointing otherwise.
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There are two of them…and one of them is aggresive and seriously scary..me thinks the ok one needs to have a word with his doctor..asap.
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Me neither….I think he is flat out stressed. His output is prodigious.
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Even though i may whine occasionally, i have the greatest respect.
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First time I ever agreed with you Spectro!
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Have to ask myself, what would I do if I personally had received the kind of news he has just received?
Please let's all try and be compassionate and use understanding in dealing with one another.
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we all have a scary side! and strong points of view… censorship is a touchy subject for all of us here as thats why we are here.. individual censorship is hard and xdr is an individual with strong conviction! and a good anti nuker and animal rights supporter.. he can loose it on occasion if he wants and should be supported by the forum.. admin has a right to edit and advise but rarely does! enenews is developing and it is in all our interests to support admin too!
@xdrfox
please take care of yourself xd your needed!! here or there … your needed!!
tree roots grow around hard obstacles …..
thanks for putting up with my tantrums/episodes enenews.. best couselling money cant buy!!
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Beautiful.
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These remarks, sorry for the typos, did not post where I tried to post them in the conversation.
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your posts never fail to give new, meaningful content, xdrfox.
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“Some authors however, most notably Tom Wolfe, are known for unashamedly liberal use of the exclamation mark….
“In German, the exclamation mark has several specific uses for which English employs other forms of punctuation…”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclamation_mark
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Nicely put, Anne. I agree wholeheartedly.
I'm sure Xdrfox will appreciate your supportive words. I hope he returns soon.
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Agreed anne!
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My last remarks didn't also.
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Gotta love it! Thanks (as usual), Anne!
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Spanish places punctuation marks at the beginning and end of sentences. At least it's done that way in Mexico.
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I agree, Anne. I have learned so much from Xdrfox's posts! And for THAT, I give him big {{{hugs}}} and EXTRA exclamation points!!!
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I agree, HoTaters. That is so kind and compassionate of you to be so understanding.
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It's pretty much impossible to keep up with this thread as the comment ordering system is messed up.
I think what happens is when a comment gets 'reported' 3 times, it is put into moderation and the replies to that comment are left hanging at the bottom of the thread. Replies to the 'hanging' replies are also shifted to the bottom. Yes it sucks, but it doesn't happen often.
Comments are going to be closed on this thread. Please continue it in the Discussion Forum: http://enenews.com/forum-general-discussion-thread-nuclear-issues-2012
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