USGS: Rapidly-spreading disease in Hawaii coral — New strain of cyanobacteria blamed — Fish with lesions, turtles having problems — Big concern whether infectious to humans — “Truly an unusual event” (PHOTOS)

Published: November 24th, 2012 at 1:58 am ET
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Follow-up to: USGS issues announcement about polar bears with oozing sores, hair loss in Alaska -- Gov't testing for radiation -- 3 of 4 captured yesterday affected -- Similar symptoms as recent mystery seal deaths (PHOTO & AUDIO)

Title: USGS: Outbreak of coral disease is an epidemic
Source: AP
Date: November 23, 2012
h/t Anonymous tip

A report by the U.S. Geological Survey finds that an outbreak of coral disease along Kauai’s North Shore is an epidemic.

Dr. Thierry Work [...] said the disease is rapidly spreading. A report released Wednesday said microscopic changes in tissue suggest the corals are under some type of stress. [...]

Title: USGS: Coral disease outbreak an ‘epidemic’
Source: The Garden Island
Author: Chris D’Angelo
Date: November 22, 2012

Terry Lilley/Garden Island

[...] Another big concern is whether this new strain of cyanobacteria is infectious to humans and marine life. Work says he and other scientists involved in the ongoing study have spotted puffer fish with skin discoloration and unusual lesions on their fins. [...]

The bottom line, according to Work, is that Kaua‘i’s reefs are heavily degraded and infected with a rapidly-spreading white coral disease unlike any seen here before.

Dr. Thierry Work, head of Infectious Disease for USGS

  • “Given the scale of the event, the large numbers of corals affected, and the consistent preponderance of a few agents (cyanobacteria and fungi) associated with gross lesions that look similar in both Makua (Tunnels Beach) and ‘Anini, this outbreak would have to qualify as an epidemic”
  • “I have never seen a cyanobacterial disease like this killing corals to this degree in Hawaii”
  • “This is truly an unusual event”
  • “Right now I have no evidence that there’s any relationship between the coral disease and what’s happening to the turtles and fish”
  • “We’re going to try to come out next week to look at the fish, to see what’s causing the lesions”

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87 comments to USGS: Rapidly-spreading disease in Hawaii coral — New strain of cyanobacteria blamed — Fish with lesions, turtles having problems — Big concern whether infectious to humans — “Truly an unusual event” (PHOTOS)

  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    So sad – the radioactive sea cloud of death has reached Hawaii – so sad indeed! I never got to dive there. :(


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  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    The entire pacific is toast by GE and Tepco, the gulf of mexico is nasty thanks to BP. The greed will be our undoing. ALaska is next, then the West Coast. What have we done!!!!!!


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    • JHewes76 JHewes76

      I'm still looking into marijuana that you mentioned in an earlier post :D


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    • JHewes76 JHewes76

      But I agree with you 110%… what have we done? FU'ed for sure!


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    • Maggie123

      Oceans, major deltas, and large land-locked areas such as US mountain tops and Alberta's XL mining region – fracking almost everywhere introducing toxins while gobbling fresh water and contaminating aquifers. The devastation seems so comprehensive to me – I am dumfounded that many, even those who think themselves responsible to earth in conventional ways (i.e. recycling) seem oblivious to scale of damage.


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      • JHewes76 JHewes76

        and as long as only hundreds of protesters show up it will never change. We need thousands in the streets. I'm waiting, but all the clueless are busy buying iPods and Cheap T.V.'s


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        • moonshellblue moonshellblue

          JHewes76, I don't think it really matters at this juncture. If we closed all the nuclear plants world wide and waited five years to store the remaining spent fuel after we dry cask the unbelievable amount of spent fuel just hanging in the pools, the dry casks are not fail safe and leak, etc. Look at Hanford, etc. Thus our planet is toast unless someone can figure out how to effectively dispose of spent fuel, plutonium. I try to hang on to hope but the more I research, the more dire and impossible it seems. I'm sorry to be such a bummer but that is the reality. NO NUKES


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          • weeman

            Mankind is a perfect example of cancer, if we were to find our way of this plant that cancer would spread and if mankind continued to gain knowledge we would eventually distort the natural order of the universe, don't be sad it is natures Safegaurd that any entity that has the power to destroy its self does. It's a shame that we have to take all life forms with us, that bugs me they pay the price not just mankind.
            Send the nuclear waste back to we're it came from the core of the earth. Tell me how.


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          • captndano captndano

            Agree with you weeman. I don't see any hope either. Except, just maybe, and this is going to sound incredibly farfetched, but maybe there really are ET's that have a means of neutralizing the crap? IMHO, I believe they're here and watching. There's just way too much evidence to deny their existence (video's, crop circles, eye witness accounts, etc) and I believe it's our only chance of saving mankind. Of course, only time will tell….


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        • Maggie123

          JHewes76 – I'm among many who live where there are no thousands to join in the streets, not even hundreds, of like mind. Fairly rural region, dominated by conservative politics, high unemployment and reduced economic prosperity even before the crash. I inform myself, sign petitions and post notes re earth/life stewardship to Washington and state governments pretty often.

          I also talk to neighbors when I can. I find more awareness and concern on people's minds than shows outwardly but there's a lot of discouragement too. Many were born here and have never lived more than a modest consumer life. Few have access or experience with internet, they feel isolated, marginalized, ineffective. They continue with modest lifestyles, (but if they had more money, they'd consume more is my reading). I think they think I'm a bit of a nut case for my extreme 'repair/reuse' and water conservation practices but given their backgrounds, they know the life. (An ambitious few may consider me a threat for not being 'with the program' they want, which is to look/feel like suburbia circa 1970!) :) I'm totally a 'newcomer' so don't have local political sway – do what I can.

          My point – anything any of us can do from where we are, with whatever awareness and resources on hand, contributes to a desperately needed tipping point of awareness/opinion/demand/action from grassroots. Sorrowful part – widely awake understanding may come too late.


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          • Maggie123

            Phase two in my long-vision play book: Whatever 'comes down', however bad earth conditions get, there will come a time of renewal, even if at a very struggling level. One of my questions is "How much wisdom, how much learning, and learning about what, will linger in minds of humans at that time?"

            To my thinking, IF, at time of rebuilding, humans have not linked their own impulses to how things got so bad, IF they do not understand how impulse toward hierarchy and non-cooperative practices (with other humans, with nature) are within each of us, IF they continue to overlook equally strong impulses of empathy, cooperation, even wisdom, THEN they/we will eventually re-create a version of what we now have.

            The possibility of our not learning anything of wisdom to take into a better world is the most 'projected' experience in disappointment I sometimes have! :(


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            • CBuck CBuck

              +100 Maggie. Let's hope that eventually we humans will start learning from our mistakes instead of throwing gas on them.


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              • Maggie123

                CBuck, this news about the corals and other ocean life is especially discouraging – a reminder of what we already knew – whole earth, all natural systems and the life they support is in a frightening state of peril. Our choice? Keep-on-keeping-on as they say – wondering why it's so important to us to do so and knowing it feels like the only activity with a glimmer of promise! Sunny here and a good day to water young fruit trees heading into dry winter conditions, so I shall. :)


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                • CBuck CBuck

                  You keep up the good things Maggie, maybe if we all do that it will all add up to something bigger than what the devastating actions are amounting to these days. Hugs to you. :)


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                • HoTaters HoTaters

                  Hi Maggie, CBuck, and all. I keep wondering when it will be announced the oceanic phytoplankton blooms are for some mysterious reason collapsing.

                  But then, that news would probably be quashed because it means we really are toast, and life on earth as we know it would probably end. At least species depending on oxygen for respiration would probably be in peril.


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            • gnomesang gnomesang

              maggie123,
              i understand your wanting people to learn from their mistakes… ive been arguing the same reasons why we need an new investigation into 9/11, so we can recognize where we went wrong and hold those responsible accountable. yet, all i hear is "move forward, move forward." i am left thinking… these are grown adults who's egos are apparently so fragile that they can't admit to failure. god, allah, buddah help us. this is why any action to remedy this is so long in coming. acknowledging it would mean it is a reality and that we are responsible for it.


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              • Maggie123

                gnomesang – I've been 'preaching' "lets look at the whole of who we are, helpful and unhelpful, and see if we can find our way through" for a long time and it really is not, I think, a well-understood idea. One reason is we've also had thousands of years of accusing one another – introducing shame and guilt, usually with a fair amount of cry for vengeance as a form of justice.

                Some really deeply learned notions involving a lot of anxiety. It's more comfortable having so much power that one is 'above the law' or pretending there's nothing to look at, or finding other ways to avoid looking at 'who we are'.

                From my p.o.v., IF we ever can get ourselves to do this, we'll go through to a level of 'maturity' that could find us actually enjoying ourselves and the earth's beauty with a new wisdom! Best example tried in 20thC IMO was South Africa's "Truth and Reconciliation" effort – partly and maybe only temporarily a glimpse to something better.

                RE 9/11 I'm with you, (and on political assignations and more). Like having a closet with a locked door, culturally afraid to open it. So we 'move on', despite the questions, telling ourselves it was a 'one-off' isolated event, ignoring the many elements of context behind various plans, decisions, actions, etc.


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              • HoTaters HoTaters

                gnomesang, if those responsible for 911 were held accountable, a lot of the whole ball of wax would begin to unravel. TPTB simply can't let that happen.


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                • HoTaters HoTaters

                  That would mean there would have to be accountability for the $2.3 trillion Rumsfeld said was missing from the Pentagon on 9/10, the fate of the SEC's Enron files (torched in Bldg. 7) would have to be accounted for, etc. I'll take this to non-nuke Forum if further comments ….


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          • JHewes76 JHewes76

            My apologies, I didn't mean it quite that way. In the cases you mention I totally understand – but in places like mine .. population dense, with working class people, you cant get 20 people together to protest ANYTHING. The areas that are capable of making the biggest noise, don't. Only 100 showed up for a protest of the Keystone Pipeline.. which is pathetic to me. People today, are for the most part, apathetic, and it saddens those of us who give a sh*t. Oh, well. Sail On!

            PS. Egg Nog causes headaches, lol


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            • Maggie123

              Thanks, JHewes76. Actually, without saying so, I was using your note to speak to a wider audience – to describe a population (rural, historically economically and 'vision'-wise depressed and/or holding onto a middle-class dream, now frequently seen by them as 'lost hope'). I agree with you in principle and feel I've had little influence on family and friends in larger centers!

              Your observation "..areas ..capable of making the biggest noise, don't. Only 100 showed up for a protest of the Keystone Pipeline.. .pathetic… People today, are for the most part, apathetic, and it saddens …" seems to cover it!

              In spots, both rural and dense urban, pockets of people work on local developments (community gardens in abandoned lots) and some of these are activist on global concerns. But majority everywhere seem oblivious by circumstance or choice. It's very discouraging to notice, which is why I often mentally shift to my "phase two" vision – helps keep me going while I work on disturbing popular obliviousness! :)

              The 2 types of neighbors I describe probably represent mindsets in much larger population centers: some feel they missed their chance and won't ever have what they lacked; others don't want to notice because they're already "successful" – or are closing in on circa 1970 life-style memes and don't want to fail when so close! Even some poor are lost in 'toyland' mentality. "Critical mass mind-shift" looks unlikely so far. :(


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            • Maggie123

              JHewes76 – "Sail on" … my mind leaps to Art Garfunkel: 'Bridge Over Troubled Water'. http://youtu.be/C-PNun-Pfb4.
              Youthfulness even child-heart of his face, passion commitment in voice and body, that enormous crowd in Central Park — the song can be heard as "to life, to earth", (a prevalent theme of the 1960's). All those people are mostly still alive, raised and influenced kids, … I was part of that time, in mind/heart, never left.

              For reasons that can be understood by sociological and psychological analysis too involved to go into – we sure did wander off course!

              I know that spirit is still alive, that it comes from deeper place in humanity than one generation. But … but … gosh we're in a mess!


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          • PurpleRain

            I so agree with you Maggie123. I try to do the little that I can and spread as much information that I can, but most are oblivious and most others don't want to know. It is very frustrating and sometimes discouraging, but at this point, I don't even care if they think I'm a nut… I am doing the little bit that I can.


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    • gladys a milyon gladys a milyon

      We havent done anything . The nuclear plants were built by the time i was born . Offshore drilling was already everywhere . To me and the people I know. This is something that "they " did.


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      • gladys a milyon gladys a milyon

        Oh. But make no mistake . " we " will all perish because of this. "They " however will have access to top medicine and doctors with unlimited resources.


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        • VanneV anne

          The elite are dying of cancer at the same rate as everyone else. Top doctors can't do anything.


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        • kez

          Vote. Be informed smart and aware.

          I tell my kids all the time .. my parents are too old to effect change. They are most concerned with preserving their retirement status.

          My generation is noisy .. but woefully divided in partisan bullshit. And usually already reconciled to being irreconciled and know we won't have what our parents had.

          Ultimately, it is up to the next gen. It's a joke .. but hope you all aren't too busy texting or playing some video game ..

          "Mister President .. mister President .. we have confirmed incoming .. we need an answer!"

          "Wait .. I am just about to crack Level 5"

          On my video game, my facebook, my texting.

          Your gen could well be known literally for twiddling your two thumbs on some electronic device.


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      • weeman

        This is something they did and you continue to abuse.
        don't pass the buck you use three times as much power as we did.


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      • VanneV anne

        There are new nuclear power plants being built right now all over the world and in the US. So everyone is guilty of not stopping this construction. Obama just signed giving the very rich Bill Gates half of his investment to research and built many new nuclear power plants in the US by 2022. Mitt Romney would have built even more.


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      • Maggie123

        Hi Gladys a Milyon – I've said a lot to JHewes76 above that is in back of my mind, behind my reply to you. It seems you've got a 'generation blame' point of view, and I don't want to make too much of it because it could be a trap-argument that benefits no one.

        I've looked pretty diligently for a place in human history where a line could be drawn that would clearly separate "corrupted" from "enlightened" thinking. There's no place to draw such a line. Twentieth Century is interesting to me because humanity entered it armed with new ways of looking at ourselves and at natural sciences.

        Three key comprehensive thinkers (their understandings of course based on previous generations) figuratively threw 3 new bodies of thought on the table and said to humanity: "Here – this is yours to make of what you will."

        The three were Freud (with contemporaries, Jung and Adler, each very different); Einstein; and Marx (a sociologist/analyst, not a devious schemer). Marx is still feared and maligned at least by a lot of American thinking, so his contribution has been dismissed unread. Psychology finally blossomed post-1960's but was half-understood, so supported "me" visions instead of "we". Einstein's own views of the horror portion of his otherwise inspired contribution were ignored.

        No population groups from grassroots to top can be singled out as culprits. One way or another, not enough were wise enough, and 'gee whiz' ruled the day.


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        • I don't know Maggie123.

          I think I could place the blame and the method used to 'sell' those who "were not wise enough" to go along with an insane, to good to be true, plan.

          –> The Scientific/Military/Political machine of the 50's.

          They had a plan and they were determined to go forward no matter what. They did that. The 'Plan' for Nuclear dominance is still in place today.

          Nuclear 'mishaps' were kept secret from innocent people.
          (such as the Simi Valley accident then and now Fukushima)

          While at the same time the Atomic Energy Commission approached the Catholic Church and asked them flat out to tell people that Atomic Power was a good thing. It was 'cheap', 'safe' and the future of electricity.

          FATHER James Keller and ACTOR Fred MacMurray (My Three Sons, Absent-Minded Professor) point out how atomic energy can be a God-given blessing instead of a man-made curse.

          A whole series of films were made on the subject.
          They believed what they were saying and people trusted their input. That was a mistake.

          Because, again… many "were not wise enough" or perhaps too trusting.

          Atomic Energy Can Be A Blessing
          (1952 30 minutes)
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwygTteXCRY


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          • Maggie123

            ChasAha – "They believed what they were saying and people trusted their input. That was a mistake." Exactly.

            The few who had enough knowledge to see ahead also believed themselves "of elite leadership" quality. Combined with effect of generation upon generation of belief and trust in "external authority", people let them have control.

            Part of the mistake IMO was so old, so deeply entrenched, so rooted in models of society organized in anti-democratic policy setting by this or that authority (from divinity to divine right of kings to priests to secular priest roles, …) that extricating humanity – Understanding, freeing-up, our own psychology in context of benefit to all life/humanity – is so new a concept/possibility that many don't yet realize the challenge even exists!

            So I agree with you – centers of power can be held accountable, and in some way must be. My sense of humanity however is that if we don't recognize how all of us contributed to elitist policy making structures, if we don't realize how vital wide-spread knowledge of 'how things work', with voice and participation from everyone, is necessary in human self-governance – we'll eventually replicate a hierarchical elitist system. Same practices, different players.


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          • andagi andagi

            Dear ChasAha,
            Yes! Carl Sagan: Bamboozle!
            I'm coping w/limited internet or would post his statement. Could you, for newcomers?
            Take good care all.
            Aloha.


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            • '' The bamboozle has captured us!''

              “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
              – Carl Sagan

              “We can judge our progress by the courage of our questions and the depth of our answers, our willingness to embrace what is true rather than what feels good.”
              ― Carl Sagan


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              • andagi andagi

                Dear ChasAha,
                :D you've made my day!
                Aloha.


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                • jump-ball

                  ChasAha: Appreciate you always, but as a 40 year admirer of Emmanuel Velikovsky, and his scholarly historical presentation of worldwide, multi-cutural awareness of mankind's survival in "World's of Collision", I need to reiterate that Carl Sagan was appointed to, and accepted the task of, discrediting Velikovsky's non-conventional view of historical catastrophism, for the successful assertion of which Sagan was awarded media approval.

                  "Among Velikovsky's principal Harvard critics was the young Carl Sagan, who proceeded to dissect Velikovsky's astronomical arguments with all the painstaking and humorless diligence of a Richard Nixon. Sagan was then in his early twenties; since that time, he has made his excessive critique of Velikovsky an ongoing theme in his writings. Interestingly, Sagan's pronouncements grow ever softer over the years as he re-examines his role as the precocious Harvard boy scorning the writings of a patriarchal sage. This is not the first time such things have happened; didn't meteorologist Alfred Wegener's theories of continental drift draw the scorn of geologists in earlier times? I shall not go on to discuss Galileo and other examples. Of the intolerance of those in power."


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              • Radio VicFromOregon

                So, once you know the bamboozle, then it doesn't matter who is at fault, it matters what the awakened are gonna do. You can keep poking people in the eye with a stick, or do something a bit more constructive – Buy green energy from your utility company? Conserve energy? Shop local? Reuse? Write elected officials and sign petitions? March and protest? Volunteer to go door to door during a public education campaign? Help create a "bail out of jail" fund for those willing to chain themselves to nuclear power company gates? Ask the local media outlets to cover stories about nuclear power concerns? The list goes on and on and on and it ALL needs doing.


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        • HoTaters HoTaters

          I would add Buckminster Fuller, who, although quirky, was a genius.


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  • Maggie123

    Coral in some regions for several years has also been under siege from ocean acidification. I think I've read that high levels of algae are linked to PH change. The article didn't say if these corals were considered fully healthy before appearance of cyanobacteria. Their condition, and condition of the fish, is so very sad, not to mention of course, alarming in implications. :(


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    • JHewes76 JHewes76

      Wait til Synthia is spread ocean wide.


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      • Maggie123

        That's the thing about oceans, isn't it – not much to stop ingredients introduced into a fluid from dispersing throughout the fluid!


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        • 16Penny 16Penny

          The only thing that seems to work is physical conditions, temperature, pressure, light exposure etc. We can only hope that something can be found that this stuff doesn't like. I know, we could genetically engineer some other superbug that can kill this stuff but dies when the radiation reaches a certain concentration (if you can't smell the sarcasm get yur sniffer checked out).

          I am also wondering if this new organism is mutated due to the radiation. Anyone have insight?


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Algae blooms are related to diminished levels of DO (dissolved oxygen), and presence of sulfur compounds in water. And increased ammonia levels.

      Phosphate and nitrogen from runoff are often root causes (such as fertilizer contamination, presence of livestock near waterways).
      Increased water temperature also a factor. Low light (increased turbidity) will foster growth of algae.

      It's a complex subject, and takes a bit of study on water chemistry.

      Here's good info. for an overview.

      Toxins in water (substances toxic to fish):

      http://www.h2ou.com/h2wtrqual.htm

      Other general discussion:

      http://www.water.nsw.gov.au/Water-Management/Water-quality/Algal-information/What-causes-algal-blooms/What-causes-algal-blooms/default.aspx

      http://www.cdph.ca.gov/healthinfo/environhealth/water/pages/bluegreenalgae.aspx

      http://waterquality.cce.cornell.edu/publications/CCEWQ-07-HydrogenSulfide.pdf


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      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Well, actually, diminished water quality is not just a factor of nitrogen, sulfur, etc. being present, and diminished DO. So my first sentence or two probably sounded misleading. But if you read the articles at the links, you'll catch the drift of where I was trying to go with that ….


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        • More on radiation effects for ocean

          Benedict C. Jaeschke and Clare Bradshaw Bioaccumulation of tritiated water in phytoplankton and trophic transfer of organically bound tritium to the blue mussel, Mytilus edulis

          Journal of environmental Radioactivity Volume 115, January 2013, Pages 28–33

          [Abstract] Large releases of tritium are currently permitted in coastal areas due to assumptions that it rapidly disperses in the water and has a low toxicity due to its low energy emissions.

          This paper presents a laboratory experiment developed to identify previously untested scenarios where tritium may concentrate or transfer in biota relevant to Baltic coastal communities. Phytoplankton populations of Dunaliella tertiolecta and Nodularia spumigena were exposed at different growth-stages, to tritiated water (HTO; 10 MBq l_1). Tritiated D. tertiolecta was then fed to mussels, Mytilus edulis, regularly over a period of three weeks.

          Activity concentrations of phytoplankton and various tissues from the mussel were determined. Both phytoplankton species transformed HTO into organically-bound tritium (OBT) in their tissues. D. tertiolecta accumulated significantly more tritium when allowed to grow exponentially in HTO than if it had already reached the stationary growth phase; both treatments accumulated significantly more than the corresponding treatments of N. spumigena. No effect of growth phase on bioaccumulation of tritium was detectable in N. spumigena following exposure.


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          • After mussels were given 3 feeds of tritiated D. tertiolecta, significant levels of tritium were detected in the tissues. Incorporation into most mussel tissues appeared to follow a linear relationship with number of tritiated phytoplankton feeds with no equilibrium, highlighting the potential for biomagnification.

            Different rates of incorporation in species from a similar functional group highlight the difficulties in using a ‘representative’ species for modelling the transfer and impact of tritium. Accumulations of organic tritium into the mussel tissues from tritiated-phytoplankton demonstrate an environmentally relevant transfer pathway of tritium even when water-concentrations are reduced, adding weight to the assertion that organically bound tritium acts as a persistent organic pollutant.

            The persistence, potential for biomagnification and the increased toxicity of organic tritium increases the potential impact on the environment following a release of HTO; current legislation does not adequately take into account the nature of organic forms of tritium and therefore may be underestimating accumulation and toxic effect of tritium in the environment. Such information is necessary to accurately assess the distribution of tritium following routine releases, and to adequately protect the environment and humans.


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Basic "healthy" water conditions in oceans = somewhat alkaline. Think pH of salt; it's alkaline. Increased acidification is problematic.


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  • f3ck4r f3ck4r

    Hawaii is lost, japan is lost, and now they pull this bacteria out of nowhere?!

    DISINFORMATION OBVIOUSLY!!


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    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      They have found cyanobacteria in Japan numerous times and it is highly radioactive. Just look here on Enenews as there are many headlines concerning cyanobacteria, the black substance from hell. They did not just pull it out of nowhere, I wish they had but it's real and I'm greatly saddened that it has reached Hawaii thus it suggests that it is possibly snaking it's way to the west coast of the United States and beyond. Wow, this confirms my conclusion that nothing short of a miracle is our only hope. NO NUKES


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      • patb2009

        has anyone measured the radiation count? Or sequenced the bacteria?

        it'd be sad if this was some virulent utation out of japan


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      • f3ck4r f3ck4r

        So this bacteria is the so called "black substance" that i have seeing so many pictures and little information about it..

        but indeed the "black substance" have a high radiation level, and this thing is all over japan including Tokyo..

        Not only this but including the other nasty stuff we can mostly assume that the food chain is indeed lost and there is no hope for it.

        until they can find a way to go down the core who may be several feet under the building, and we have to have in mind that we may not have the material for this job..

        I don't believe in miracles but, we may need one right now…


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      • andagi andagi

        Dear moonshellblue,
        Great post :) My heart breaks with this info. It's a corporate world now. Seems they've finally done it. Africa and Antarctica await their eminent fates.
        I'm so thankful for ENENews, wonderful Admin and all of you passionate, intrepid posters. I'm truly indebted to you for this incredible site!
        Folks, keep reading, posting, sharing ENENews… prompting change, worldwide 24/7. We are making a big difference in the lives of many :) Let's keep it together, together as we face these horrible truths.
        Aloha.


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    • kez

      Respectfully.. I spent a few hours researching this today.

      More disinformation coming from this site on this thread today. Happy to consider evidence otherwise.

      "Sheeple' as in believing everything without personal investigation .. works both ways.

      Take care.


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  • lam335 lam335

    So on one side we have the mysterious black stuff with high alpha rads turning up all across Japan, which some scientists have labelled cyanobacteria. On the other side we have the seals, etc., in alaska with lesions and other disease symptoms. And now in the middle, so to speak, we have coral reefs in Hawaii with "white coral disease" that is also attributed to cyanobacteria, in addition to having skin lesions/discoloration on puffer fish and turtles. Will this discovery prove to be the "link" between the rads and the skin-lesions/disease?

    Do we know if the main ocean plume from Fuku has reached Hawaii yet?


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    • VanneV anne

      repost from another thread:

      hasAha
      November 24, 2012 at 12:22 am ·

      Ocean Contamination Map…
      …at 623 days since 311.
      That is TODAY?!
      https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2099954/Rad%202012-11-23%20Ocean%20623%20Days%200031.jpg


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      • lam335 lam335

        Thank you for the map. The reason I asked the question about whether the main ocean plume had reached Hawaii yet was because I remember reading that it could take up to five years or so for the major part of the plume to reach the US west coast (though perhaps lesser amounts on the leading edges of the plume could already have done so?). One study said that, within five years, the background radiation along the west coast will be double what it was before 3/11/11. This seems to imply that a lot more is still on the way. But will this simply be the result of an accumulation of small bits of contamination, or is there also one main plume of it still making its way across the ocean that has not yet reached the west coast? And, if there is a large plume still en route to the west coast, has that plume hit Hawaii yet?


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        • Radio VicFromOregon

          Iam335, just a thought on your excellent pondering – i'm thinking the debris raft. A ship to Alaska, a wharf to Hawaii, another to Oregon. The bacteria is traveling using the same method any invasive species could use. It's hitched a ride from Japan. The bacteria may be replicating on top of the floating debris. Plenty of food, thrives in lower levels of radiation, plenty of rain. Lots of hiding places and crevices above the sea water line. The reefs are already dying or under tremendous stress from toxins and acidification and water temperature changes, as are the animals that live predominantly in the water, exposed nearly 24/7 to whatever is in the water, for fish, always in the water and breathing it, too, then food for the seals, turtles, walruses, poop for the coral. All the species of animals mentioned have been exposed to the debris raft.


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          • Maggie123

            Hi Vic – hope your Thanksgiving day was good. Your post to Iam335 reminds me of recent viewing I've done on 'complexity theory', complex systems – which, of course are familiar to ENEers. There are so many factors affecting ocean conditions, (and all 'dynamic systems')! Just now tried to re-locate an excellent lecture a few years old that I thought I had bookmarked but can't find it. Lots at YouTube on ocean health, corals, etc. I did not use radioactivity in search but should have.

            For the bacteria to have hitched a ride makes lots of sense – another thought just now – it may have been present but at such a low level that it was part of the unnoticed ecosystem, not unlike the bacteria all of us have on our skin, eyelash mites, and other critters we carry about!

            But maybe now conditions have changed so that it thrives. Kez rounded up some information and posted links below – this bacteria was discovered at least a couple of years ago. I see this development as part of accumulating evidence that surely can't be ignored by wider public or officials much longer! Do hope your day yesterday was so very good. :)


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    • m a x l i

      It is not possible that seals or corals suffer from radiation, more likely (like people in japan) they suffer from "fear of radiation". Corals are animals. Therefore it should be possible to teach them to show some optimism and to smile. Where is Mr. Yamashita when we need him?


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  • lam335 lam335

    "As for non-lesion coral samples, microscopic changes in tissue suggests the animals are undergoing some type of stress, according to the report."

    <<<<<<

    I am going to reveal my ignorance here and say that, prior to reading this article, I did not realize that "coral" was considered an "animal." I had always supposed it was a plant and the reefs merely geological structures.

    Nature is amazing. Why are we destroying it?


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  • moonshellblue moonshellblue

    I wonder if they have tested this cyanobacteria for radiation, does anyone know? Although even if the USGS had they obviously are not saying. Does anyone in Hawaii have a geiger counter and access to infected coral but I believe it is against the law to remove coral but obtaining a dying piece should not result in any criminal activity? I don't know but, I would like to know whether it is related to the cyanobacteria they have found in Japan. Hmm, maybe not, ignorance is bliss, tis folly to be wise.


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  • norbu norbu

    I have friends there, I cannot convince them to leave. I hope they wake up and see the truth.


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  • Turtles….
    "Oh no!" – ChasAha

    Note: When radioactive contamination is ingested it does not matter how good your protective shielding is.

    “Right now I have no evidence that there’s any relationship between the coral disease and what’s happening to the turtles and fish”
    - Work

    "Kaua‘i’s reefs are heavily degraded and infected with a rapidly-spreading white coral disease unlike any seen here before. How they got this way is yet to be determined."
    - Work

    Polar Bears and Seals:
    April 2012 –
    Maybe Mr. Work should call and speak with Mr. Woods at the USGS about the seals and sick polar bears. Maybe he knows more now?

    "The cause and significance of the observed lesions are unknown." – Apr 2012

    Just to be clear…

    There is currently 'no evidence' that there’s any relationship between the following…

    the coral,
    the turtles,
    the fish,
    the birds,
    the seals,
    the polar bears,
    the butterflies,
    the insects,
    the children in Fukushima,

    …and those throughout the northern hemisphere with ear and eye problems not to mention those with already weakened immune systems fighting for their lives.

    It could also be said that there is no evidence that there is NOT a correlation.

    A basic, general, observation would suggest otherwise and we may not have the time for some long term peer reviewed studies at this point.


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  • jec jec

    The University of Alaska..has anyone seen the oft promised radiation test results on the SICK seals. The healthy seals..were tested first..and the radiation results(negative) released months ago. The SICK seal radiation test results are still 'pending.'


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  • kez

    A little further research shows that this story about the Hawaiian coral die off has probably little or nothing to do with Fukushima.

    First, it was discovered two years ago.
    http://www.hawaiireporter.com/top-coral-biologist-sample-tunnels-coral-disease-for-dna-testing/123

    Second, cyanobacteria is not inherently radioactive. Hayakawa's theory that cyanobacteria absorb radionuclides is not widely proven and it is admitted that black sludge soil in Japan may or may not contain cyanobacteria. Please read all the way.
    http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201206140067

    Third, blue algae blooms (cyanobacteria) are nasty and are more likely related to other sources of pollution or warming. But apparently we wouldn't have an atmosphere wthout them.
    http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/bacteria/cyanointro.html
    http://www.google.com/search?q=cyanobacteria+record+blooms&btnG=


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    • Maggie123

      Many thanks, Kez – your post is an example of how valuable ENE discussions are! Thanks for taking time to research and post series of points in well-organized layout. Re: "But apparently we wouldn't have an atmosphere without them" says something too – the web of life, the function of each little and big bit. I hope renewed interest in the coral's die-off, and in condition of other ocean life, adds to growing awareness that we humans need to step up to our 'stewardship' role!


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    • Radio VicFromOregon

      Good research kez. I think the acceleration may we due, at least, in part to low level radiation, and, the offchance that the debris raft possibly incubated an altered strain of the bacteria. If this happened, already weakened organisms will succumb to any number of pathogens they may have held some ground against previous nasties. But, if no bacteria travelled on the debris, and/or radiation is not a factor since it shouldn't reach Hawaii for another few years through the water currents alone, then just our daily dumping of toxins, including sunscreen, perhaps one of the biggest reef killers in the water, along with all the known, but, unpopular warming theory outcomes is simply at an end stage. The acceleration is present because the damage was already very extensive and the last stages are now occurring, which may be bringing a quicker collapse.


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  • Mack Mack

    Will they blame it on sunscreen?

    From National Geographic 2008:

    "Swimmer's Sunscreen Killing Off Coral"

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/01/080129-sunscreen-coral.html


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  • kez

    One cannot rule out radiation fallout as a contributory stressor without rad numbers from the reef waters .. however the die off started prior to Fuku and it is documented that a similar rapid die off occured before in Phillipines.

    It is more important to note it took two years for USGS to pay attention I think.

    Much regards.


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