Published: April 21st, 2012 at 4:03 am ET
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Title: SAN ONOFRE: Nuke plant tube inspections complete
Source: North County Times
Date: Apr 20, 2012
[...] Meanwhile, a fire in Unit 2′s electrical panel on the non-radiological side broke out Friday, but it was extinguished in less than an hour. No injuries were reported.
The cause of the fire is under investigation.
The fire started at 12:34 p.m. Friday in an electrical panel in an area where non-radioactive steam pushes the turbine that generates electricity and burned until the plant’s fire crew put it out at 1:14 p.m., said David Song, a utility spokesman.
Edison spokeswoman Jennifer Manfre said the fire was “controlled easily.”
The utility reported an “unusual event” to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission at 12:49 p.m. and ended the event at 1:41 p.m.
Title: Small electrical fire reported at San Onofre
Source: The Orange County Register
Author: PAT BRENNAN
Date: Apr 20, 2012
A small fire broke out in an electrical panel Friday at the San Onofre nuclear plant, but the fire was put out quickly and did not involve nuclear material, plant operators said.
Both of San Onofre’s reactors remain shut down as the operator, Southern California Edison, continues to probe troubled steam generator tubes that have shown signs of premature wear; the cause is so far unknown. [...]
Actually ‘probe’ is complete… just not released to public
Title: SAN ONOFRE: Nuke plant tube inspections complete
Source: North County Times
Date: Apr 20, 2012
Inspections of faulty tubes that caused the shutdown of two reactors at the San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station have been completed, but findings are not yet being released, Southern California Edison said Friday.
h/t Anonymous tips
Published: April 21st, 2012 at 4:03 am ET
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It's just a little hicup – nothing to worry about. Happens all the time.
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You know, in the last couple of months I count a half dozen "unexplained" fires. Add to that three "unexplained" loss of off site power. WTF is going on?
It seems obvious to me that very little seems to work as it is supposed to in these damn things. Always some arrogant, bald faced deception to sooth the public accompanying the events. "small" "easily controlled" "no danger" "non critical". I see nothing "easy" about a fire burning for 45 minutes in a nuclear plant.
But of course the truth is always hiding there in plain sight: "unexplained" "unknown"
In other words: "No clue" "uncontrolled"…
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Well as long as this little SONPP 'hicup' isn't a nuclear 'd-cup' hiding in plain sight: we are sheltering-in-place near Palm Desparate-Coachella (100 miles east of SO) because the minimal 2 inch yearly rainfall may protect us from precipitated contamination. I cancel my daily bike ride during periods of precip, but have only been rained out 3 times so far this year.
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Nthn to see here… mve on… There is a good show on TV. Get the latest Matrix 'programming'.
Three Mile Island (TMI) Coverup; via A Green Road Blog http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/three-mile-island-coverups-exposed.html
Nuclear Reactor Chicago Pile I; Hidden In Open Sight; via A Green Road Blog
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/nuclear-reactor-chicago-pile-i-hidden.html
Los Angeles Nuclear Plant Meltdown; Completely Covered Up; via A Green Road Blog http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/los-angeles-nuclear-plant-meltdown.html
Radium Girls & Radium Dials; Ottowa Illinois, Death City; via A Green Road Blog
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/radium-girls-radium-dials-ottowa.html
75% US Nuclear Plants Leaking Toxic Tritium Radiation Into Drinking Water Supply; via A Green Road Blog
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/75-us-nuclear-plants-leaking-toxic.html
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I think we're getting a taste of the effects of solar flare activity myself. That would account for the locations being wide apart and it syncs up quite nicely with the quiet yet present increase in sunburst activities. Just a thought…
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The flares are going out into space on the opposite side of the sun from where we are; we have not recently been in the line of fire, so to speak.
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Anthony notice the drop March 8th. http://neutronm.bartol.udel.edu/~pyle/endplot.gif
Now
http://neutronm.bartol.udel.edu/~pyle/RTPlots.html
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I meant Arizonan
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I have been here from the beginning and finally decided to chime in occassionally. I have a science heart and major family responsibilities that influence my ability to keep up with current science topics. Being very detail oriented, I was wondering why nobody anywhere I could find pointed out this particular anomaly and what their thoughts were concerning the neutron drop near march 9th. I jump back and forths between enenews and solar weather sites with questions concerning the impacts of solar electrons and protons on all types of energy sources including nuclear fissioning particles and vice versa. Too much thinking left to do to wrap my thoughts in a bow, but I just want to thank you for mentioning the drop.
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Your welcome! ENENEWsers try not to miss a beat, but if we did please chime in! I wish more longtime lurkers would chime in more often.
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Welcome Brainheart! Thanks for posting that link, CB. I would love anyone who has expertise in this area explain to us what the ramifications could be of these neutrons dropping (or rising; etc.) and the effects (if any) they might have on nuclear power plants, the electric grid, etc.
Also, do you believe man-made electromagnetic frequencies that are generated from systems used by several governments around the world (like HAARP) could cause power surges too, and thus possibly cause a NPP electrical failure? (Anne has posted quite a number of good links in the "Off-Topic Discussion" thread about HAARP on this forum).
Wasn't Chernobyl caused by such a surge? And how about Three Mile Island? What about that strange Chinese bullet train crash that the Chinese quickly tried to bury to cover up any evidence as to what caused it? Or what about that weird power surge on the Concordia, on the anniversary of the Titanic's crash? (I know, "conspiracy theorists" would love this.) ;-D LOL
And if these frequency generators can mess with the Earth's "harmonics" and create vibrations in the Earth (which some believe could trigger earthquakes), then could such frequencies, if directed at and focused on NPPs, cause not only obvious earthquakes near them, but might they be able to cause less noticeable, excess vibrations and power surges causing electrical problems like we've been seeing increasingly at NPPs since 3/11?
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Continuing my thoughts and questions:
…Vibrations that could generate unexpected wear and tear on things like the hoses at San Onofre which were found to be rubbing together in an unexpected manner that is out of the ordinary wear and tear typically seen at NPPs?
Or can we just chalk all this up to Solar Flares? (If so, why the seemingly targeted electronics malfunctions at the NPPs specifically, and not at the same time occurring at all homes and businesses with electricity???))
Just ruminating as I try to tie some loose ends together…
I'd love to hear what others think, or know about these things…Thanks!
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yes, welcome Brainheart!
Thanks for chiming in,….WATK's and CB are way over my pea brain! And, their questions, and yours, are good ones!
What do you think about the water level drops in northern Cali. for example?
These are 'shifts' I call them,…shifts from the norm. With so many energy filled isotopes running amuck,…..sheesh,,,it's enough to drive ya crazy~!
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So many questions with so many ties. You are thinking so much like I am. We don't know definitively the connections between all of these influences, but we do know that there are connections.
I ponder and research the solar impacts to human created electromagnetic currents and natural eletromagnetic currents, ground currents, weather patterns, radio flux and how they combine with the human created electromagnetic forces and ions we have released into our atmosphere and beyond.
Earth's molten core influences tend to get lost in the mix, but the magnetic forces which keep much of the land in it's current locations has to be affected by the solar and cosmic energies as well as the human engineered big boy toys that may not be monitored closely enough.
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They confiscated all of Tesla's records so they have lots to experiments with ! And never changed the history books giving him the credit inventor of the wireless radio after the Supreme Court ruled in his favor and Marconi stole his designs !
Electromagnetic pulse – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
An electromagnetic pulse (sometimes abbreviated EMP) is a burst of electromagnetic radiation. The abrupt pulse of electromagnetic radiation usually results …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse
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In response to SJ, I was not aware of the water level drops on Northern California. I am aware of several underwater volcanoes off the Oregon coast and I think the Vancouver, BC coast (it might be the Washington coast). They make the buoys drop by 50s to 100s of feet, but only occassionally.
There are major changes occurring planet-wide. It does make for an interesting study. I prefer to have at least a few answers, but we have to dig to find the data from which hypotheticals can be created. For some reason, we are experiencing more hidden data now than in any time since the days of Galileo. Small numbers of people work very hard to locate bits of data to try to build a picture. And ENENEWS is one of the few websites that supports that effort and provides as much data as possible.
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The comment about Tesla is so relevent. It ties together the knowledge that exists somewhere with the control implemented to ensure that it does not surface so that the existing political power matrix is not disrupted suddenly or unexpectedly.
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Thanks for your reply, Brainheart. I wonder too, who among those involved in all of these various sciences and activities are actually talking to each other and trying to see if each of their activities is indeed influencing the others' (as well as the non-manmade, natural forces such as geomagnetism, magma, etc.)
I really am concerned because I know that too many of our scientists are so narrowly focused on their own realm of expertise, they are often myopic and do not have the ability or training to look at the Bigger Picture and tie so many diverse strings together. IS anyone in charge indeed looking at these issues in this way, and trying to understand if there are harmful, negative affects by man engaging in these activities? Where are the impact studies?
For example, since Fuku, I have learned about the practice of chemtrail spraying, something I was unaware of previoisly. I know it exists, and so far, I have only been able to find one impact study on EPA's HERO database (seachable online) by a researcher who studied elk antlers in Montana who found that the barium, aluminum and silver oxide the planes spray had built up in the antlers. So if it is in their antlers, surely it is in our environment and in our bodies and our children's bodies.
How is this affecting our health??? Who is studying this and why are none of the federal agencies discussing this openly?
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Continuing my response to Brainheart:
…Chempraying is happening in counties worldwide. Just go on YouTube to watch 1,000s of videos about it…
Anyway, it concerns me that all of these activities are having a deleterious affect on our planet and our health, yet no one seems to be discussing this? Who is calling the shots? Is the news so bad that no one wants to talk about it? Is our ozone layer thinning too quickly? Is Fuku fallout building up in the atmosphere, so the spraying is for weather modification and radiation remediation purposes? (They were doing chemtrail spraying long before Fuku). Why the big mystery?
The truth will out, it always does. But in the meantime, curious minds want to know, especially those of us who are parents and are concerned at what we are doing to our planet and what kind of legacy we are going to leave our dear children…
Surely some of these folks are parents too? Surely they have hearts, a conscience and wish to do the right thing, and leave the world a better place for their children. Right?
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Like W-A-T-K, my concerns are for the children. I knew on 311 that radiation exposure was a major risk and have been glued to the information on Fukushima since that date.
I have worked professionally in the field of radiation and from the beginning understood that we may not be able to easily locate the information we would need to make wise decisions about what we as individuals should do.
Should we re-locate, shelter-in-place, grow our own food, warn our family, friends and neighbors?
In search of those answers, I learned about the potential for a Carrington event and the impacts of lesser solar activities. I learned about a cosmic cloud that the universe is entering that affects just about everything.
I read about HAARP and Chemtrails and caught up on the PR description of the activities at CERN. I learned about the exciting space program that has been developed in the background. And I read that we are engaged in a space war and have exotic space vehicles and satellites that support military objectives.
Like you I do not know which natural and which man made forces are affecting what. But, I will take the time to give you my answers to your specific questions.
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Brainheart, "space wars" with "exotic space vehicles and satelitte?" Seriously???
If this is true, WHO in God's name do these little boys dressing up in big men's suits playing with their big boy toys think they are? This is NOT funny! Do they not realize the folly they are engaging in? Who gave them permission to waste citizens' hard earned money playing Star Wars???
What a WASTE of our money and of their potential to do GOOD and leave a positive, meaningful legacy for our future generations! Incredible…
I hope this is just an idle rumor and not true, Brainheart. Think of all the problems of the world that could be solved by putting our resources and our brains towards focusing on positive solutions to our most pressing needs. I don't think ANYONE in their right mind would believe playing Star Wars just to show who's bigger and badder is a smart way to invest one's time and money. Geesh!
Where are the Gandhi's of the world when we need them? War is not the answer. Love, kindness, cooperation, respect, giving of oneself to others, those are the values that will help answer much of today's problems. Think if everyone stopped for just a moment and asked themselves "What can I do today to make a positive difference in the life of another person or person?", then went out and took action to make a difference, we would have no wars, or no need for them.
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WHY ALL NUCLEAR PLANTS MUST BE SHUT DOWN
On 3/11; 15 Nuclear Reactors In Japan Were Damaged, Not 3 or 4
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/14-nuclear-reactors-at-4-japan-sites.html
Atucha Nuclear Reactor Taken Over By Terrorists; via A Green Road Blog
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/atucha-nuclear-reactor-taken-over-by.html
Fukushima Reactor 4; Global Life Extinction Event If It Collapses; via A Green Road Blog
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/fukushima-reactor-4-life-extinction.html
12 reasons why all nuclear power plants must be shut down; via A Green Road Blog http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/12-reasons-why-all-nuclear-power-plants.html
Super Solar Storm To Hit Earth In 2013 'Carrington Effect'; 400 Nuke Plants Will Melt Down/Explode; via A Green Road Blog
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/super-solar-storm-predicted-to-hit-2013.html
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Good work, keep it up.
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Static 66, we are on the far side of that pesky inverse bell curve.
Fellow San Diegans(go Chieftains), if you haven't noticed, we are uniquely boxed in, Camp Pentleton to the north, Pacific to the west, and Mexico to the south. East is the only way out. Talk about your nar-nar. Know your surface streets, thats all I'm saying.
Navy personnel two words…West Pac…One long continuous drill on the high seas right. Knowing their inportance, consider this, when was the last time you had an evcaution drill for San Diego County. Never?
Its time to light a fire under Southern California Edison ass.
How about this lets send pretty postcards of San Diego with the message "we are shutting San Onofre down!" best wishes, Your Name and send it from your home via snail mail(the Post office could use the business-multi tasking)and to the fellowing addresses
Southern Califonia Edison Company
San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station
5000 Pacific Coast Highway
San Clemente CA 92672
Southern California Edison Company
2244 Walnut Grove Ave
Rosemead CA 91770
According to SCEC the plant is jointly own so…
SDG&E
8326 CENTURY PARK COURT,
San Diego, California, 92123
or their bill paying address or both
SDG&E
P.O. Box 25111
Santa Ana, CA 92799-5111
And the city of Riverside
Mayor Ronald O. Loveridge
3900 Main Street
Riverside, CA 92522
or his opponent
Ed Adkison
6879 Airport Drive,
Riverside, CA 92504
Its a start more to come I have a…
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10:30 appoinment.
xoxo
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Oh yeah have you seen the latest
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s16e06-i-should-have-never-gone-ziplining
stop jacking it and get busy San Diegans.
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It would help if we would try and educate our political leaders, doctors, priests and church leaders, as well as teachers, college professors, etc..
Use links above or others of your choice; or point them to http://www.agreenroadblog.com and/or enenews.com, plus others you think are worthwhile.
None of them know what is going on.. they need EDUCATION..
ENEnews.com or this blog is designed to do just that, by focusing on specific areas, and quickly getting up to speed. Instead of having to search it out and become an expert over about five years, someone can go through all of these articles and become an expert, fairly quickly.
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Exactly, anyone who understand the basics of nuke and radiation, and the lies and deception that are BASIC to the cartel…well then you without any doubt know that it is the nuke cartel or the humans, take your pick.
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Sometimes nuclear power plants catch fire…who knew…I just wish they all didn't get government insurance. Maybe if we took away their wasted dollars on safety measures we could instead give ourselves a public option…or even better some potassium iodide. Who am I kidding they bought all the rad-x too. SCUMMY
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No problem. All is good.
I still can't get my head around the fact the Californians gave away their chance to get their nukes shut down by NOT signing that initiative. Meltdown is the way we (some) learn.
We're so screwed.
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Our problem was that we didn't have the money or the organization in place to make this happen. We needed 800,000 signatures to get an allowable 500,000+. The GMO initiative had 1500 people organized and on the ground before they announced. The anti-nuke forces did not know that a highly motivated individual would file this initiative, so we were playing catch-up with split focus on our usual activism plus this. What it did do was open the door for us to make a much more effective showing in 2 years. Initiatives rarely get on the ballot the first time they're attempted. It's a building process. Next time, we'll be ready… we should all be able to live that long!
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Here, here, Auntie Nuke! You all made a good showing and first attempt, brought awareness and generated new supporters. An A+ job! I agree, things like this take time! You can continue to build momentum as Fuku's fiasco shakes out and have another go at it next time!
We are in this for the long haul, and if you think about it, now that all eyes are on the nuke industry and the lies and cover ups they have perpetrated, the longer their ancient dinosaurs are operating, the more accidents, leaks and "events" will continue to happen, solidifying the argument against them.
The truth is out and it is only just a matter of time. Keep the faith everyone!
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The utilities spokesman Mr David Song is definetly 'Singing us a Song'.
Sorry about that but it is early here in the UK.
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Speaking of the UK:
Windscale: Biggest Covered Up UK Nuclear Disaster? via A Green Road Blog http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/windscale-biggest-covered-up-uk-nuclear.html
Ozyorsk – Kyshtym – Mayak Nuclear Waste Reprocessing Center Disaster And Coverup; via A Green Road Blog http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/ozyorsk-kyshtym-mayak-nuclear-waste.html
La Hague; France's Nuclear Waste Nightmare; via A Green Road Blog http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/la-hague-nuclear-waste-nightmare.html
Hanford; Lethal And Leaking; A Race To Armageddon? via A Green Road Blog
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/hanford-lethal-and-leaking-race-to.html
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How funny that name. Sing of death.
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My eyes have been opened to the total lies of the nuclear industry.
And we know on this site this happens frequently.
Shut them all down. All of them.
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That reminds me of: "Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of RADS are stored"
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For those who have not yet had their eyes opened to the RAD truth;
ART AND SCIENCE OF DECEPTION
The Art of Deception: The Cult of Nuclearists, Uranium Weapons and Fraudulent Science; via A Green Road Blog
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/primer-in-art-of-deception-cult-of.html
Radioactive Beach In Guarapari, Brazil; via A Green Road Blog http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/radioactive-beach-sand-in-brazil.html
93 Long life Radiation Contaminants; via A Green Road Blog http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/93-long-lived-nuclear-elements.html
Tokyo; is it safe to live in or visit? via A Green Road Blog http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/tokyo-is-it-safe-to-visit-or-live-in.html
Fukushima Lies Movie Part I and II; via A Green Road Blog; via A Green Road Blog
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/fukushima-lies-movie-part-i-and-ii.html
And yet, there is still hope!
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OMG. Look what F311W just posted!! Kiss the World goodbye! http://nctr.pmel.noaa.gov/honshu20110311/Energy_plot20110311.png
This is omfg scary
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Whoopie, that is an energy plot of the tsunami. The color scale on right is centimeters. This is showing wave heights above normal
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It's no use, Sharp. Reality is not catastrophic enough for her, she prefers to let her imagination run riot. "Kiss The World Goodbye!" "omfg scarey!" When it comes to Whoopie and her off topic rantings, just bear in mind what the comedian Ron White always says.
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I love our Whoopie just the way she is!
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+ a ZILLION b&b!
Flick the fleas, Whoopie!
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Go Whoopie! You are doing it right!
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I know [REMOVED]
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I have just reported your comment sandman. I have NEVER done that before.
You get the award!
Your (supposed) elder relative,…was the POL.
(Pick of litter)
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Quote from sandman, "We have a very elderly relative who was, at her best, "low normal" in her ability to reason"
Seems like that trait, runs in his family…
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Shill or troll,….makes no difference. 'It' wants us to throw sand. 'It' wants to divide and conquer,….'it' will NOT GET IT'S way,…(for ONCE!.
How does it FEEL to 'want'? Hummmm?
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Actually, Still, I'm glad you did that. I felt a little sorry for posting it after I had. Although I wasn't talking about you-know-who being the way I described my relative as being, I know she probably wouldn't have understood that. Anyway, thanks. It's all good.
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Be careful about opening up a can of whoop ass on yourself.
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@ sandman…a lack of intellectual discernment thrashes around here from time to time. Although you could have worded your comment a bit more gently, I was glad to read it. I read it just after having clicked on the link which gave a picture of—I knew not what. I panned up, panned down, panned right and left. No title, no explanation, just a colorful picture from NOAA.
I was reminding myself not to click on any more of her links because so many of them turn out to be, to me anyway, just one more wild goose chase.
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@ sandman and dharmasyd
Instead of walking into the kitchen and bitchin about the food in the cupboards, you might try going to the store and bringin home some groceries once in a while…
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I hear you, Jebus…It's my fault, I keep allowing myself to be enticed by the sensational words to open her cupboard—but then I find there's no food in her cupboard.
Not bitchin in the kitchen. Just trying to express what I see in a pleasant tone of voice.
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Hi Jebus. The real fight is ongoing in the science and political communities. Although I give kudos to Enenews Admin for spending her time to aggregate news headlines here, the comments area is really a place for arm waving and screaming to the sky, not for any meaningful work, wouldn't you say? Believing that the fight is futile doesn't mean that we shouldn't give it our best shot anyway. Just not in places like these.
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sandman, I hope you weren't making Internet mischief. You seem sincere so I want to suggest a way to deal with what was bothering you.
In one of my early posts here I hassled Whoopie for drawing an unreliable conclusion abductively. She instantly adjusted her position with grace and dashed off to broadcast the revised message.
Back then I tended to think that pointing out the facts of nuke-world would be enough to change things. I now know that is far from true – the pro-nuke players care little for truth. Their world is mainly spin.
That is the world Whoopie deals with every day. I can't stand five minutes in that world. Yes, I still wince sometimes when Whoopie zooms through here with an unpolished message, but I've come to think of that as my problem and not hers – I know if we tell her we perceive a flaw, that she'll take it seriously and adjust her message if appropriate.
The fog of war is very thick in places like HP where she does most of her fighting. Those of us who can't or won't do the troll-jousting that Whoopie excels at should try to provide her with the best factual material we can, and help her fine-tune her messages. She provides the best megaphone we'll ever find.
Thanks, Whoopie – be who you are – we need you. We need a lot of different skill-sets. Fortunately, we've got them all.
SHUT THEM ALL DOWN
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Well said.
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Hi aigeezer. I do understand your point. The problem as I see it is that if the loudest and most strident of the anti-nuke voices consistantly misrepresent the actual facts and situation, it harms the entire movement. It is much easier to dismiss the message if the message bearer has no grasp of the issue. As far as being willing to joust for "trolls" on other websites, well, some people seem to really enjoy that kind of thing. I'm with you, it's not my cup of tea. Being so often wrong on the interpretation of the problems with nuclear power would seem to make the fight pretty ineffective, though.
I admit to feeling it's all futile anyway. I don't think real people have a hope in hell of winning against corporations any more, if we ever did. I think it's too late to reverse course and preserve our way of life, on so very many fronts. Still, I would love to be proven wrong!
Thanks for your comment.
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Yeah Whoopie, you rock! Keep rocking.
the more insults you get, the more you know you are hitting very close to home.
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It is important to know what the information is, before somebody jumps to the wrong conclusion. I have a pretty good idea what she thought she saw in the pic, I just wanted to make sure people knew what they were looking at, so they don't spread false rumours.
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Sharp2197—Agree!
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Thank you, Sharp!
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here is a similar plot of a tsunami in sumatra in 2010
http://nctr.pmel.noaa.gov/sumatra20100406/sumatra20100406-modeldata.html
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Keep up your spirits and sense of hope by writing poetry or playing music.
POETRY AND MUSIC
Anti-Nuclear Music/Songs; via A Green Road Blog
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/anti-nuclear-music-and-songs-around.html
Anti-Nuclear Poetry By Or-Well; via A Green Road Blog
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/anti-nuclear-poetry-by-or-well.html
FRYING DUTCHMAN humanERROR Anti Nuclear Musical performance; via A Green Road Blog
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/frying-dutchman-humanerror-musical.html
Fibonacci Secrets Revealed; via A Green Road
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/hidden-sky-fibonacci.html
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3 hrs ago: Japanese Nuclear Industry “Spent Ten Times More Money For PR Campaigns Than We Did For Real Safety Measures”
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/04/japanese-nuclear-industry-spent-ten-times-more-money-for-pr-campaigns-than-we-did-for-real-safety-measures.html
Disgusting. Sick Nuke/Gov Puppies.
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An electrical panel fire that took 40 minutes to extinguish? And they call that "quickly" and "easily controlled"?
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Ya know dos, these f**king plants have been killing us all along! I mean, think about it!! Increased cancers and death. Always BLAMED ON ANYTHING BUT NPPS!! NO MORE! SHUT THEM ALL DOWN! BEFORE WE'RE ALL DEAD! AT LEAST before our future generations are dead. I will never stop spreading the news about NPP's. As long as I live! How can ANY OF US STOP? If we want ANYTHING for future Generations, WE GOT TO FIGHT THESE SUCKERS FOREVER!! rant over
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Good point.. Dr. Caldicott MD says it has to be done by educating people, including Joe Six Pack..
It is not so much about 'fighting' the Goliath as it is cutting his legs out from under him by educating the other liliputhians in our local community about how dangerous this Goliath (huge monopolistic corporations) in the bedroom is… No actual fighting is necessary.
The written word is much more powerful than the sword.
That said, protests have their place.
CORPORATIONS
TEPCO Loses Insurance Coverage; Japanese Nuclear Plants; Via A Green Road Blog
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/tepco-loses-insurance-coverage-for-all.html
The Psychopathy Of Corporations; "I Am Fishhead"
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/psychopathy-of-corporations.html
How Do Corporations Dominate Elections With Money? via a Green Road Blog
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/how-do-corporations-rule-in-us.html
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Yep, blast them economically, politically, with protests.
get celebrities involved. educate.
Point out the lies. explain their ego, their greed.
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A lot of these electrical panel have been in the on fire and in the news the last year, something to it ???
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Japan, Ft. Calhoun, and here now !
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These Plants are OLD doc. Old and crumbling! We'll only see more and more falling apart. Not only that, the news these last few months PROVE NO ONE IS MINDING THE STORE!! Worker accidents, druggies, missteps ect. OMG THE HORROR!
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I KNOW you know. Just saying. Another thought – WHERE IN THE HELL ARE ALL THE TROLLS AT HP? They have disappeared as far as I can tell. DONT WANT THEM BACK…just saying things must be very TENSE for them these days, eh?
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They are lurking here Whoopie,…they swim like sharks just under the water far enough to be a 'forbodding shadow'.
Occasionally 'they' chime in, here or there.
But worry not. Their jaws are duct taped!
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their keepers have reduced their fees.
They are not effective.
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Whoopie,
Another plant a few years before all this !
Saw one report where something in a panel was troubled and stopped working and it had not been change since the plant had been built !
Something like a 2 $ switch that shut down the plant !
Even food stores change "the tube light bulbs" before they may possibly burn out !
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That is such a great point doc. Light bulbs need changing. What the hell is wrong with these Nuke Industry guys?! One things for certain, THIS INDUSTRY IS GOING TO DISAPPEAR, you just watch. Too many problems, too much money and COUNTRIES SAYING NO NUKES! Belarus perfect examp today.
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Hi Whoops, did you know that one of the Chernobyl reactors was online and producing electricity until December 2000, 14 yrs after the accident?
People were working there on a daily basis….next to the sarcophagus.
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call it a cartel, what it is.
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And Departments stores also, Hard to find a burnt out bulb anywhere in upscale or average stores of any type, try it folks and LQQK for one !
"There is a reason they do this also !"
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Whoopie,
When you get my age, everything built after me is new !
: D
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I mean…look at this Link (i'd forgotten all about it!)
This is Fridays News but LOOK AT ALL THE NEGATIVE ARTICLES!
http://nucnews.com/whatsnew.php
Saturday will be popping up soon.
Keeping my eye on it.
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Low and behold, it just did! Am I GOOD or what?
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???STUXNET???
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All electrical components wear out with time, especially with heavy use and heat.
As these electrical components wear out, the contacts degrade, circuit breakers freeze or burn, wires get loose, and connection points heat up, to the point where one or more of these items either short circuit, and/or catch on fire.
This breakdown and catching on fire of electrical pieces of equipment is 'normal', if an organization does not do REGULAR preventative maintenance, tighten up loose fittings, replace worn out parts, etc. But that inspecting and maintenance costs $$$$, and the CEO needs a new Porshe… plus a golden parachute if things do not work out.
Our prediction is that this trend of fires around electrical equipment in nuke plants will continue and accelerate.
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San Onofre has the worst safety record of any nuclear facility in the country. See the chart at: http://www.SanOnofreSafety.org. They had to find and pull the data out of where it was buried in an NRC report to create the chart.
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See my post above, Dr. Fox. I have the same questions as you do.
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Most likely, an electrical fire from a direct short circuit. How can maintenance be so lax to have allowed the cables to get that bad?
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How can maintenance be so lax you ask, let me take a stab..
Toothless oversight run by industry insiders?
Bean-counter driven maintenance budgets and priorities?
Inept management, old technology?
Evil, corrupt, greedy corner cutting energy corporations running the show?
All of the above?
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Safety reports forged? Signed off on without proper inspections,…rubber stamp,……"There must be 50 ways to kill your neighbor",…Oh,..I'm sorry, that's '50 ways to leave your love'r,…I forgot!
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I just now saw your 50 Ways. Good one SJ!
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No wonder I've never felt safe in this world!
Talk about, 'Tip of the ice burg'!
I recall the first time I stared into 'this abyss'. I was working for a County Mental Heath Dept. in 1990. The last week of a 6 month probationary period, I was asked if I wanted to join the Union. (I had to make up my own mind, and asked for a day to speak to family). The next day was very strained at work. I choose to NOT join the Union,…and the next day they 'let me go'.
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.WOW. I left one of my favorite jobs,
as they were going union.
I chose not to join…
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My Hub worked in computers at a Tech College. He didn't join the Union because … well, he didn't like them and didn't need them. He got awards the whole time he worked there. Didn't Need No Stinkin' Union. unions are good for some, others do ok without.
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SJ, ts, & W … and who do you think brought you the 5 day work week, the 8 hour day, overtime pay, and the minimum wage? Solidarity Forever!!! I'm union through and through. Not that there aren't bad unions, union bosses, etc, but it is the only countervailing force against the greedy corporations and bosses.
Unions were given a series of terminal blows by Ronald Reagan starting with Patco. If we hadn't allowed unions to be weakened, perhaps we would have a bit more success closing down the nukes. Without unions the working man, the common man losses his voice and his strength.
Solidarity Forever!
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For a long time I didn't like unions. But in the end, they are the people's voice, the collective defense against the Corp.guv world.
Unions are just as important, or more important, then ever before. They've given us a lot (the workers) and I regret not defending then much in the past. My eyes are open now though.
Sure, the can be some bad apples, but show me something better.
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Thanks Richard! Labor has weathered a long, hard campaign to turn public opinion against it. It is similar to the disinformation campaigns waged against us "anti-nukers," or against communism and socialism. It's a good idea not to just buy the party line, but examine the reasons behind it. Remember they portrayed us anti-nukies as silly air head flower children!
The corporate greed-heads know how to mount a campaign against anything they see as standing in their way of making excessive profits: For example—NPPs and unions, and many, many more.
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ok, well, I never even wonder why my neck is swollen and my throat hurts and I cough up loogies with bloody chunks…..shit….i suppose we will all undergo some radiological hurtin and we'll never know officially, surely we will hear it's only a bit of that darn flu (to take a vaccine for, of course) that's goin around….shit shit shit
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I'm sorry sdy. Damn! You better get to the doc.
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actually, going to a doc is more likely to kill me than this…working hospice, I see what going to the doc means
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I've said this before,..My 89 Y.O. spiritual Mom, when asked the secret to good health and living to old age, she replies,…"Stay away from Doctors". She says she has 'white-coat-itis'!
No meds,…hell, her blood work always looks better than mine!
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I am so sorry to hear that.
Where do you live? Are you near a nuclear reactor?
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Check this out…
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Can-we-stop-those-nukes-W-by-Joan-Brunwasser-120420-158.html
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there is a lesson to be learnt from all this:
1. nuclear power is not safe, never was and human error will always occur along with technical failure
2. nuclear power is not cheap as the only ones who it is cheap for is the plant operators, everyone else will pay in health, taxes and personal security for the shortfall of safety measures.
3. every nuclear power plant starts off as new and becomes old and with every operating year the risk increases. not just statistical risk also actual risk.
4. when plants become old, they do not get decommissioned because it is too expensive but run until the accidents become so frequent that the general population will suffer.
5. there is not final storage for spent nuclear fuel on this planet. as long as energy creation creates practically unmanageable waste for longer than one generation then humans should steer clear of it completely because we leave a legacy of severe issues for generations to come.
switch them off already and face the facts, be it black outs or whatever… everything seems better than the current situation.
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I took snowwy Mohammad to the HP Mountain (it will show eventually)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/06/japan-nuclear-power_n_1408097.html
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Hi snowwy, I assume you're iving in the US, where only 10-15% of electricity are provided by nuclear, if I remember correctly.
Let's simply save 15% electricity, buy an energy-efficient fridge, throw the TV out, use less aircondition, and we're done.
No blackouts, no nothing.
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That's right Whoopie. Dr. Helen says all we need to dry our clothes on the clothes line in the good weather,…and in front of the stove in the winter,…and we're there! No NEED for NUClear!
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Doing just that SJ. Course the weather is warming up. that helps eh? Heck yeah!
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Yeah, me too. I feel like a bear coming out of hibernation!
It is NICE!
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Hey Jill, actually, I don't even KNOW anyone who still uses a drier nowadays!?
Driers are so 90s, lol
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Hi, no I am in London in the UK
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snowwy, so you're arclight's neighbour! Great.
Ugh, UK is not a pleasant place for an anti-nuke nowadays, eh? At least you've lots to do!!
And then there's fracking….
*peace
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Wow! This just popped up at HP. We must tell Ed Norton TY
Earth Day 2012: This Isn't About Tree-Hugging Anymore, It's about HOW WE LIVE http://huff.to/HZTvUv
We need a national, bi-partisan commitment to legislation curbing carbon emissions here at home and we need it to have teeth and we need it immediately. And we need to invest in an American technological future that operates sustainably within the natural systems that support our lives.
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+ a million zillion
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Please give ED Norton your support! tell him NO MORE NUKES!!
DID YOU KNOW?
Dr Helen Caldicott has asked for just 30 minutes with President Obama. The President has heard a lot from the nuclear industry and the NRC in terms of how safe Nuclear Power is. All Dr. Caldicott, a well respected antinuclear expert, has asked for is 30 minutes with President Obama but so far her requests have been denied.
JUST READ THAT ON WYDEN'S FB PAGE.
President Obama!! You better meet with Helen!!!
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OFF TO TAKE MY BATH. IF YOU HAVEN'T JOIN HP, I SUGGEST YOU DO SO NOW. WANT AN QUICK AND EASY EMAIL
http://www.hushmail.com/
TELL ED NORTON HOW YOU FEEL!!
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GULP–I think I hear my 'buzzer'!
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Wasn't San Onofre was shut down? ..they need to decommission it.
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Hi TBP, San Onofre being offline doesn't mean it needs no electricity…..sadly. So the system is still connected to the grid to get electricity to run the stand-by systems.
*peace
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KEY ISSUE IDENTIFIED IN IDLED REACTOR AT SAN ONOFRE PLANT
Plugging 2 flawed tubes will bring operator closer to satisfying nuclear restart plan
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr/21/tp-key-issue-identified-in-idled-reactor-at-san/
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@Anthony…That's cute. If you've got 2 worn out tubes, just glue them together; that ought to give a pretty good half life.
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dharmsyd – I thought it was kinda crazy being published pretty much the same day this fire story broke!
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Ah, not so fast, you naughty little boys playing with disgustingly deadly toys at San Onofre (all the while trying to shove your mess under the nursery room rug hoping that Mommy and Daddy won't notice and make you actually have to clean up your mess permanently):
Here is a follow up article on the fire at San Onofre and the upcoming inspections planned at San Onofre by Misubishi Heavy Industries, makers of their flawed steam generators:
http://obrag.org/?p=58773
"Mitsubishi affirms serious steam generator problem at San Onofre nuclear reactors"
by Source on April 21, 2012
"San Francisco, Calif. — The Japanese firm responsible for fabricating the failing steam generators at Southern California Edison’s San Onofre nuclear reactors announced today that it is undertaking analyses of the causes of the serious, unresolved safety problems.
"In papers filed with the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, the firm, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, revealed that its reviews will extend at least through the end of August — ensuring that the troubled reactors will not be able to operate through the summer.
"The severity of the problems at San Onofre first came to light when one of the reactor’s steam generators leaked radiation at the end of January. The subsequent discovery of unusual levels of wear in steel tubing in the steam generators of both units has caused both reactors to remain shut down since."
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Another snip from the above mentioned article at obrag.org:
“The people of southern California need answers to what exactly is happening at San Onofre. It doesn’t exactly instill confidence in Edison or the NRC that we have to learn about the process from the Japanese fabricator of the damaged steam generators,” said Damon Moglen of Friends of the Earth. “At the same time, Edison and the NRC must explain why Mitsubishi is planning on doing separate root cause analyses of the two reactors, and on a staggered schedule, when it is clear that the technical problems are shared at the steam generators of both reactors.”
"Mitsubishi’s filing with the NRC reveals for the first time that the firm is responsible for conducting an analysis for San Onofre reactor unit 2, which is to be completed by May 31, 2012, and another analysis for reactor unit 3, which is due by August 31, 2012.
"The company provided no justification for conducting separate analyses despite the fact that the steam generators at both reactors are experiencing the same rapid and unexplained wear which has already lead to the release of radiation during the failure of a steam generator tube at unit 3 in January."
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Radiation: a devilish issue in 1946
http://blogs.knoxnews.com/munger/2012/04/radiation-a-devilish-issue-in.html
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San Onofre Nuclear Power Plant Leads Nation in Safety Complaints
New figures from federal regulators show the number of safety issues at San Onofre was more than six times the national average in 2011.
By Adam Townsend
Email the author
April 19, 2012
http://newportbeach.patch.com/articles/san-onofre-nuclear-power-plant-leads-nation-in-safety-complaints-8cbf118a
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I wonder which of the cooling pumps went dead when the panel blew, for how long and how hot did the core and overloaded spent fuel pools get…?? This is a serious fire on a main panel. Anything that stops a pump is very dangerous. I bet there's more spent fuel bundles at Onofre than all the bundles waiting to burn in all the reactors at Fuku 1
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You got that right, Fred. The U.S. NPPs have TONS MORE (literally!) spent fuel rods stored onsite. Frightening!!!
For those not familiar with the seriousness of the problem of spent fuel storage in America, here's an article written one year ago, but still is applicable today:
(except that the number they state of how many tons of spent fuel rods are being stored at the 104 U.S. nuclear reactors is undoubtedly greater than the 2010 figure they quote):
"Nationally, the nation’s 104 nuclear power plants are now storing some 63,000 metric tons of spent fuel rods, according to 2010 numbers compiled by the Nuclear Energy Institute."
http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2011/04/storage_of_spent_fuel_rods_at_new_england_nuclear_power_plants_generates_fear.html
Author Bill Cummings, Hearst Connecticut Media Group
In a nutshell, here is the problem we all face due to the irresponsible actions of the nuclear plant operators and the sanctioning of these action by our very own NRC, whose job it is supposed to do is to protect U.S. citizens from the dangers of nuclear radiation!:
Snip:
"Spent fuel pools were originally intended to be temporary storage and as a result were not given the same level of protection as reactors. As the volume of spent fuel grew over the years, scientists began warning the pools could be more dangerous than the reactor because they now held more radioactive material. Without a national storage site…(continued)
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Continued from above: "Without a national storage site, plant operators, with the blessing of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, packed more and more spent fuel rods into the pools.
“There used to be space between them. The assemblies were so far apart they could not go to critical mass. Then they took out the racks. The walls of the pool now have material that prevents a reaction. It’s the same size pool with many more rods,” Lochbaum said {Note: David Lochbaum is a member of the Union of Concerned Scientists and a former nuclear plant operator}.
"Lochbaum said storage pools were reconfigured to handle more fuel rods by redesigning how the rods are placed in the pool, moving them closer together, and adding substances like boron, which restricts nuclear fission.
"That closer proximity, however, means rods could heat up much faster if there is a major loss of cooling water, Lochbaum and other experts said."
Moreover, the author states very clearly (remember this was written last year shortly after the Fukushima meltdowns):
"The still-unfolding Japanese nuclear disaster – spent fuel rods in pools at the Fukushima Daiichi reactors were exposed to the air and released large amounts of radiation after a tsunami knocked out the cooling system – is a graphic example of the risks inherent in onsite spent-fuel storage."
/snip
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Continued from above:
W-A-T-K: Even the author knew LAST APRIL that the Fuku spent fuel pools released "large amounts of radiation", yet none of the official reports were admitting to that back then…"Minor amounts", "not immediately harmful", bla bla bla…
And here is the kicker:
"And the Japanese pools that caught fire held much LESS {my emphasis} waste than many of the New England pools."
(As well as many other spent fuel pools across America!)
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More mainstream media coverage of the U.S. spent fuel pool issue:
Here is an article from last April about the concern of U.S. spent fuel pools from NPR, "Japan Accident Renews Focus on Spent Fuel in U.S.":
http://www.npr.org/2011/04/07/135146891/japan-accident-renews-focus-on-spent-fuel-in-u-s
Here is a disturbing graphic that shows the order, from most to least, of which U.S. states hold the most spent fuel pools in storage at their reactors (Illinois is the winner, sorry to say):
http://www.npr.org/news/graphics/2011/04/gr-radiation-storage-624.gif
Keep in mind, the U.S. nuclear power plants typically house a MUCH greater amount of spent fuel than the spent fuel pools everyone is so concerned about at Fukushima. THINK ABOUT IT!
P.S. Special thanks goes to Robert Alvarez, for his excellent presentation about this serious U.S. problem of over-crowded spent fuel pools with no permanent solution in sight, which I heard at the Seattle Physicians for Social Responsibility event last month.
Google his name to learn more! He's another hero along with Arnie Gunderson and Dr. Helen Caldicott in their efforts to educate Americans about the serious issues we face due to an aging and deadly nuclear power industry.
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P.S. The above masslive.com article was one of a three-part series exposing the serious problems of the nuclear industry and its shoddy regulation by the NRC.
The other two articles are here:
Part 2: "Nuclear power plant owners paid billions for spent fuel facility that never opened" (About Yucca Mountain and the problems of decommissioning)
One of many good quotes from the article focusing on the enormous costs of decommissioning:
“The colossal failure of nuclear power is really seen in decommissioning,” said Deborah Katz, who runs the Massachusetts-based Citizens Awareness Network, an anti-nuclear group.
“When you have to engage in cleanup, then this notion of being a clean, technologically advanced form of generating power is really put to the test. These are basically nuclear pigsties,” Katz said."
http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2011/04/nuclear_power_plant_owners_spe.html
Part 3: "U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Oversight Called Too Lenient" by SHAY TOTTEN, New England Center for Investigative Reporting (www.necir-bu.org), a nonprofit investigative newsroom based at Boston University.
Just had to share two choice quotes from the article:
“If you still believe that the NRC is a nuclear watchdog, you are probably still sending your money to Bernie Madoff,” said Arnie Gundersen, a former nuclear-industry executive turned whistleblower. "
LOL!!!
Gotta love Arnie!
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Second quote from 3rd article mentioned above:
"Lochbaum contends the NRC is unnecessarily putting industry profits ahead of public safety.
“The NRC sold out the American public in order to boost profits of companies,” said Lochbaum. “It’s put millions of Americans at undue and elevated risk, and it was done simply for business purposes instead of safety. There’s no excuse for doing that."
http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2011/04/us_nuclear_regulatory_commission_oversight.html
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Those are good finds, What-About-The-Kids.
I'm mildly puzzled that an American source would quote metric tons: "Nationally, the nation’s 104 nuclear power plants are now storing some 63,000 metric tons of spent fuel rods…"
The number is higher in "American tons", close to 70,000.
http://thesaurus.maths.org/mmkb/entry.html?action=entryById&id=592
http://www.unitconversion.org/weight/tonnes-to-pounds-conversion.html
Regardless of the (scary) numbers, the item that haunts me from your cited stories is:
"The spent-fuel pools at New England’s oldest plants now hold up to five times more fuel than they were initially designed to handle."
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Thanks, Aigeezer! That's a good catch, noticing how they cited metric vs. American which makes the numbers look lower. Not sure if that is standard for such measurements in the nuclear industry or, as your comment would suggest, someone purposefully cited a measurement unit that would give a lower sounding amount?
Yes, it is sobering to hear our NPP's are housing spent fuel pools that have 5 times more fuel assemblies than they were designed to hold. An accident waiting to happen, every second of every minute of every hour of every day that goes by…the risk just keeps growing greater!
And yet, no action is being taken, except for the NRC greenlighting new NPPs to be built. Incredible…leaves one (almost) speechless.
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Hey Whoopie,….you MUST be doing TOO MUCH GOOD,….for them to come after you like they are.
Do me a favor, huh? Step it up a notch,….I sure enjoy seeing them pull out what hair they have left on their 'comb-overs'!
Thanks friend!
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