Published: October 18th, 2011 at 10:45 am ET
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More on the 4 microsieverts per hour found Monday at a primary school in Tokyo’s Adachi ward:
“In the Adachi ward in Tokyo, a drain in the back of a school pool registered 3.99 microsieverts per hour of radiation Monday night, prompting officials to decontaminate the area. Based on the Japanese science ministry’s criteria, that level is equivalent to an annual dose of about 21 millisieverts — above the 20 millisievert level that mandates a public evacuation.” (AFP, Oct. 18)
“The per hour to per year sievert conversion is calculated under the assumption that someone stays outside eight hours and indoors 16 hours a day, and the indoor exposure is 0.4 times that of being outdoors.” (Japan Times, Oct. 18)
“There will be hot spots we have yet to identify. We will try to find them and take proper measures,” Adachi official Hiroyuki Komatsu said. (Japan Times, Oct. 18)
“The ward received reports Monday from residents that five locations, including the drainpipe at the school, recorded high radiation levels.” (Japan Times, Oct. 18)
Published: October 18th, 2011 at 10:45 am ET
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Like fascism, there is no way to negotiate with radiation. The allowable standards for radiation exposure are bunk.
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More and more radiation hot spots are being found in Japan, and yet this article today:
“PM hints at approval for some nuclear reactors under construction”
“Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda has suggested that he will give the green light to operations of some nuclear reactors under construction.”
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20111018p2a00m0na015000c.html
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Mack, therein lies the rub for me personally. There has been much empathy expressed in this forum, and I am very sensitive to others in general, but with this Japan issue, they do not seem to have learned anything from the disaster which is being applied towards any kind of meaningful change. They poisoned the earth and didn’t even give us the courtesy of an apology of any kind. They have created untruths which have put everyone of our lives at risk, again without apology. They have learned they can actually operate their society WITHOUT their nuke plants running (as in this whole summer) and they are still entertaining restarting and even building new nuke plants. As per their own example of incompetence, they are THE LAST people who should be allowed to build new plants!! For me it feels like a waste of emotional energy to worry about people who are not worried about themselves. And they certainly have a long way to go to show me they give a crap about what happens in the wake of their fallout. For a people who talk so much about Respect and respectful ways, I find them to be the most disrespectful and social-ecologically irresponsible citizens on the planet. Just my opinion on what I see with my own eyes.
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Anthony,
you donʻt actually believe that you can characterize an entire race of people as “they”?
Many have already spoken to this, on threads which you participated, I believe: this is an international problem. Perhaps a reminder of Arnie Gundersenʻs quote will help clear things up:
“The fuse for Fukushima was lit forty-five years ago when Fukushima 1 was built by an American company and an American architect engineer using an American design.” He goes on to say, “That a serious accident happened in Japan is not a statement about the Japanese culture. Rather, it speaks to the pressure that the nuclear industry exerts on nations worldwide. It can happen in your country.”
Please open your eyes to the global situation, rather than blaming the Japanese people. By the way, many Japanese citizens are outraged at what is happening, and much of the breaking news on hotspots and TEPCO/government shenanigans that you comment on have come from their courageous efforts to expose the truth. Please reread your post as you consider these concerns.
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Hereʻs the link in case you may have missed it:
Nuclear Oversight Lacking Worldwide | Fairewinds Associates, Inc
http://www.fairewinds.com
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hanaloa,
I am speaking directely to:
****More and more radiation hot spots are being found in Japan, and yet this article today:
“PM hints at approval for some nuclear reactors under construction”
“Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda has suggested that he will give the green light to operations of some nuclear reactors under construction.”****
If this was all about England, and I mean *Fukushima* specifically being an English error, I would cast my same glance **Their** way.
It looks like the Japanese are gonna build more reactors according to the above.
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Aloha Anthony,
I believe youʻre still missing Mr. Gundersenʻs point. You should cast your glance at your own government, as well as all the international nuclear players who all are complicit in this ongoing disaster. My main issue is your take on the people of Japan. This is your quote:
“For me it feels like a waste of emotional energy to worry about people who are not worried about themselves. And they certainly have a long way to go to show me they give a crap about what happens in the wake of their fallout. For a people who talk so much about Respect and respectful ways, I find them to be the most disrespectful and social-ecologically irresponsible citizens on the planet.”
If youʻve had a change of heart since you wrote these words then I am happy for you. If you still blame “…a people…” rather than the industry, then I worry for you and others who feel the same. As long as we citizens of the nuclear powers accept the benefits of the nuclear industry without actively working for change, are we not complicit as well. We “activists” in these so-called first nations have to come down from our white horses now and then and examine our own lives and how we all contribute to the destruction of our planet. This is a human problem being led by the global nuclear industry.
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So very well said. Thank you. And, as a nuclear professor suggested just the other day, forty-five years later Japan, America, Briton, a few others have invested heavily in nuclear power. Japan’s government eagerness to restart the plants isn’t about the need for energy, it’s about the need for money by many nation’s economies that have become interdependent on building and running these plants.
I hope people will keep in mind that the Japanese society has already undergone the test of how to react to nuclear poisons and destruction. You bear it as best you can. There was no where to go during Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and no where to go now. No other country would entertain taking in millions of refugees from Japan.
And, most to your point, it is those Japanese willing to face scorn and be shunned by their neighbors who are getting the word out to the rest of us. I know few Americans willing to risk the same – job, friends, family. It was America that created the monster of nuclear energy, the one who used it as a destructive weapon, and the one who promotes it around the world over all others. It is America that plans on reusing old reactors and building several more on the face track. It is America that first irradiated the planet with nuclear testing. What have the American people done to make up for any of that?
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@VicFromOregon, +1
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Hanaloa
Its funny, oops
i sniff a shill, or a shit, a overgrown dead rat.
why blame japan? why blame tepco? Tepco had the chance years ago to fix gaping flaws in the design and do required maintenance but they failed to do so, that is criminal neglect which has led to the problem we have today, much bigger than any other nuclear mishap worldwide, why? because other nuclear plants have successfully carried out maintenance and repairs, your nuclear liscense should be stripped from beneath you, so screw you tepco.
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Roxy,
What irony. You call me a shill while you reveal your pronuclear bias:
“…because other nuclear plants have successfully carried out maintenance and repairs…”
Roxy, are you suggesting that there are actually safe nuclear power plants?
Or are you actually an apologist for the nuclear industry outside of Japan? I truly hope not. I would like to think that you are sincere and not a shill or troll yourself, and despite our semantical differences, we are really on the same side. But if thatʻs not the case then I think that you are merely a pawn playing the role for any number of reasons which I can only guess at. If you are indeed not a shill or troll, then I hope we can find common ground and work together. If in fact you are a shill, then I hope you have an epiphany soon and come to your senses before itʻs too late.
Me ka `oia`i`o (in truth, with sincerity),
Hanaloa
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I love Japan..I have had the opportunity to enjoy some of the finer things Japan has to offer.
I think it is important that there often has to be distinction between the citizens of a country and the actions of their governent.
The Japanese government is the lowest display of humanity ..I have ever seen…. and are guilty of Crimes Against Humanity…
…along with those in our government..who are so gingerly handling the cover up.
One day..the masses are realize that they… really ..have nothing left to lose.
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The allowable standards for radiation exposure make as much sense as this video does:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1GeZOP5Bw8&feature=related
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I was hoping for an evacuation order…instead we get the kind of response a gardner tasked with keeping moles out of the yard would give. It’s not normally the gardner’s job to do this but he will try and take care of it.
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But they are decontaminating !!!
Fukushima local government is trying to sell their “decontamination skill” to the rest of the world.
http://fukushima-diary.com/2011/10/news-dirty-soap-seller/
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nice find
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What a joke, they only need to retest *cleaned* areas in a week to see how off the mark their thinking is.
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*gasp* are you saying that it wont stay clean? That radiation fallout will keep falling…out? Never! The Ministry of Truth says otherwise!
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20+ hotspots in Tokyo so far.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/10/more-than-20-radioactive-hotspots-found-in-tokyo.html
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Twenty thousand sounds more realistic.
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Bullshit.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/17/world/asia/japan-nuclear/
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They never show the twisted wrecks, always a nice clean photo. And, if you think about it, they’ll have achieved a fantastic cold shutdown by the definition of lower temperatures in the vessels. Of course that’s because the core is a melted mess under the vessel, but then, doublespeak is the only speak they speak.
Bullshit, indeed.
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They treat us like cattle, man.
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People are moving away.
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20111018p2a00m0na020000c.html
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So sad…such a horrendous tragedy in the lives of farmers and their children. His son is going to Tokyo for college, but he probably will avoid saying where he is from because of the stigma.
But Tokyo snobs should get over that bias in a few months when it is revealed how bad their own living conditions have become. Most of the real snobs will be leaving by then and then they will bear their own stigmata wherever they go.
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Sounds like the Japanese are facing a paradigm shift in their social consciousness. They will have no choice but to humble their way of thinking since all of them will be contaminated and being a pariah will be the norm.
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Good! They need to get out of there whether their government will approve of them leaving or not.
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It’s been interesting listening to people talking about issues surrounding a Japanese evacuation or resettlement to safer areas (or maybe both).. and zapped recent outburst made me think about cultures, perceptions etc
on one side is a fervent love of ones homeland and people! and the other a pragmatic approach, logical, humane and passionate…..looking at the people of Belarus I see the same love of mother country, they struggle to overcome the remnants of Chernobyl while living with contaminated lands…radioactivity is so hard to pin down…the Belarus made certain decisions that excluded people from seriously contaminated lands. They set limits that have not worked well but has mitigated even more suffering…there is still more lessons to be learnt there..
the officials in the Japanese government have not stood up to the mark here as they should have! Testing en masse, should be fully underway and yet they are pussyfooting around without demanding industry to open there labs for the domestic purpose of finding out where is safe and not for the people of japan! Without this testing no estimates on land loss means no planning, means chaos!!
Well back to the views ive seen recently here on enenews as well as elsewhere concerning the main point of Japanese evacuation…and im going to get a bit philosophical here, or try to!
I remember a talk that the Dalai lama gave in an interview….to summarise…the chinese occupation actually helped spread Tibetan Buddhism and philosophy around the globe, the dalai lama then said that he believed this was meant to be otherwise he would still be in a monastery at the top of the world……..cont
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So my point is that out of this disaster if it gets worse than some people posit but as bad as some posit but less bad than others posit maybe Japanese philosophy and belief systems may come to us all too!! I have always been fascinated with the Japanese beliefs and society. There is much that all cultures can learn from one another…there is much we can learn from the Japanese too!….living in London means that I need to observe other peoples customs, my neighbours and friends! I think that this has been a growing influence on me ….so isn’t it amazing how we can help each other grow and try to comprehend the unknown together??….bit like enenews really!/rant
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arclight – Many thanks for your thoughts on potential learning opportunities stemming from decisions relating to evacuating Japan or not. I too am fascinated with Japanese culture and believe that much can be learned from those who decide evacuation is right for them. I also believe that much can be learned from those who decide to stay. Many on this website believe that those deciding to stay are simply misinformed as to the gravity of the situation and need to be saved. I do not subscribe to this line of thinking. I see learning opportunities by trying to understand how strong loyalty to culture, country, family, and friends is in the decision process. Do issues such as fear of living as a pariah in a new country vs. dying with dignity at home come into play?How much do practical issues such as finances, age, physical ability come into play? I suspect
that viewing these issues from a Japanese perspective may teach a great deal and, from the way it looks, could be quite useful to all of us if we pay attention.
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TEPCO avoiding bankruptcy.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-18/tepco-to-ask-for-9-1-billion-for-fukushima-payouts-nikkei-says.html
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Good to see OD! er…Daaaavvve.
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Just ODing on articles this morn
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Posted here
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/30/japan-earthquake-2011-gov_n_989682.html
Elenin alerts us TO THIS
http://www.linktv.org/nuclearpower
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BE SURE TO WATCH THAT LINKTV video.
Lots of IMPORTANT INFO in it. LOTS. Listening NOW.
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Watching/listening. Good find!
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The vid crapped out on me right when it started talking about Fukushima around the 35 min mark.
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Who wishes they were living in one of these countries post 3/11 instead of your current country?
I wish I was in country #1.
http://www.expatify.com/advice/10-best-places-to-live-for-escaping-world-conflict.html
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Just watched Globe Traveler. He went deep down in Mexico. That’s where I want to go. Down where the Mayan Ruins are.
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My wife has Mayan blood. She would agree to that location in a heart beat.
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Oh you should go OD. I’ll tag along if you dont mind.
Plus it’s down far, maybe less contaminated, you think? Then again Australia is showing high levels. No place is safe.
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I’ll buy the first round of Pina Coladas.
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I’d vote for a deserted island that has water and food, but no people other than my family. *;-) All of those 10 countries will not fare well in Mad Max times.
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+1 – I love Robinson Crusoe type shows.
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“Warlords of the 21st Century”, a B-Movie, but some
nice features, like the hero has made himself a
chicken-shit-methane system, with methane-powered
motoCross motorbike.
Scare-Value for “pacifist” commune-types.
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I’d vote for a remote island that has water and food, and some people except my family, lol
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people except your family? lol You guys must not get along too well. Meltdowns?
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Sort of
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Beautiful! I like #6-”Aside from being safely isolated from the rest of the world in the middle of the Indian Ocean, this beautiful island nation is a great place to forget about your worries. Isolation is the key here. And conflict is as transparent as the water.”
Yup,…that’s the place for me–never even heard of it before now!
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Its aluring enough to make me want to move there even if no Fukushima happened.
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Amen to that OD! “Conflict is as transparent as the water.” Have never seen water that transparent!
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Me neither. I want to go snorkeling there. Last time I tried snorkeling was on the beach at Roatan Island off of Honduras. I was smiling way too much and too big a grin…water kept seeping in and blinding me!
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New Report: Fukushima Update – 2011/10/18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9SbwL5d9_8
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Corbett could use some comments. Site is new, just up on 10/16/11 … with a few enenewser comments/links and some shares, this site might really take off
http://fukushimaupdate.com/
(of course no harm meant to ene … i did see 10k+ hits yesterday)
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10k+ enenews hits?
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I just sent that LinkTV into TIPS h/t Elenin
THIS NEEDS TO GO VIRAL. It discusses 3Mile, Cher and Fukushima all rolled into to ONE GREAT PROGRAM.
http://www.linktv.org/nuclearpower
Wish I could get the TEXT to it. Maybe they’ll have that at a later date. SHUT THEM ALL DOWN! BBL
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No…I’m gonna watch THIS FIRST before break
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9SbwL5d9_8
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COLBERT MENTIONS ENENEWS!! YAHOO!
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I meant corbett.
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Whoopie-”Earth Focus” on Link-TV…
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(REPOST)This Link-TV special just now rolling end-credits,
Earth Focus, is new today, and they touch on details of the story
such that the writers MUST have been monitoring here at enenews,
possibly one of the contributors….They had this listed as an Hour
on the schedule but it is only 41 minutes to end of credits, apparently.
The LINK-TV schedule says they will run this again
LINK-TV-channel 9410,
10 pm MDT today…
also Friday 21st, 2pm and again 5pm, (MDT),
and Saturday 6am…
I Hope this is OK, Promoting this TV show…Thanks!
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I saw your POST on the other THREAD so I’ve been Tweeting and Reposting EVERYWHERE! What a find EV! It’s a good one. Taking off, be back soon.
http://www.linktv.org/nuclearpower
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Every single one!!! Don’t stop until the last one is defunct.
This cheers me up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn-tFwfAcG8&feature=channel_video_title
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Warm fuzzies! I thumbed down the top two commentors that said nuke plants are safe, etc.
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Those comments must come from this guys friends is what I think.
BILL GATES of MicroSoft discusses Fukushima:
“This Fukushima thing is terrible, it’s awful over there…”
“The actual effect is clearly going to be negative…”
“The human element is NOT on your side…” – Bill Gates
YET…
His solution. Make more Nuke Plants that are controlled only by computer programs to eliminate that ‘human’ factor which keeps messing things up. What an idiot. Maybe we should have the computers write their own programs then we’ll be really safe. (sarcasm) (I liked the comments on this one.)
http://www.linktv.org/video/6573/bill-gates-on-the-potential-of-new-nuclear-technology
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I liked the two comments.
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Enterprise log, first officer Spock acting captain. I must now use an ancient Vulcan technique to probe into Bill Gate’s tortured mind.
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Wow.
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ChasAha,
“Maybe we should have the computers write their own programs”
Rest assured the computers would make a decision to eliminate man being the sole root of the problem as the ones that rise to the top are dangerous and the others allow them to stay on top !
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This was the big Topic today in the Tokyo TV!
They started in the morning and not finished yet.
A big Impact for many, many People here.
Lot of the PTA start to do a Monitoring by them self!
A Re-Start of the Plants become more impossible
every day, the Japanese start to wear clothes
after they got awaken on 03/11!
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Hi Human, I’m very curious to hear how people around you react to this news. I’d be thankful if you could tell some more. Do you discuss the situation often with family / friends?
*peace
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Yes Human. I’d like to hear too…if you could be so kind. God bless you, I don’t know how you do this, watching this unfold everyday. Thanks….
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me 2
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God Bless You, Human….I Hope you can get away somewhere.
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all the best human, please shed some light loved one
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Anyone hear about any test results on the alcohol they were going to test a few weeks back ? Makes you assume they found …
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we love you human,
yes, we love humans,
we are trying to save your human race,
that is our mission here on enenews
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TEPCO, you’re not human. You say are, you say you love us, but you won’t hand over information that could save us -Cpt Kirk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6odqRaRV6PM
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Acute observation, Captain
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Thank you, Number One.
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1. I am not a Japanese but living here since 10 Years and are married to a Japanese!
2. F’Shima is a daily Topic,
everyday there are Reports from there as well as from “the Hotspots”!
3. There is a daily announcement of Radiationlevels on NHK!
4. Many People are concerned about their Food,
many People stop to buy Food from the Area
and chose Food from other Places.
5. Many People bought Geiger Counter
There is a lot going on at the moment
but in a Japanese Way and not deadly Radical like in Europe but it get hotter!
There is a huge Demand for News in Kanji
but there is no Forum like this or Abovetopsecret!
The Reportages are very, very neutral (Japanese)
but i like it, when i read something here i think the whole World is going down, this create Fear and the Rabbit Shock (not doing anything)
I would love when t/here are real People who are educated in the Topic who give a neutral Explanation, because many Times i think that some People are living behind a Mountain,
for example: “Evacuate Tokyo”,
the People need to understand that this would not and never happen, because it is impossible!
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Normalcy Bias, Human. That’s all. Google it. I had to google it too. I was stuck in Normalcy Bias too…and it tries to creep up on me at times.
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Human, thanks for the input. I also think there are cultural differences between the European/US folk and the Japanese people which are often hard to handle.
I think the vast majority of people who post on this board (myself included) have never spent time in Japan or have a deeper understanding of the Japanese mindset.
It is like it is.
Sometimes it’s just SO HARD to bear, you know? To watch the Japanese still being patient, being polite, saving face…you probably know what I mean, not being Japanese yourself, as you say.
I hope besides the “doom & gloom” posts you’re not fond of you find some valuable information here to pass on around you!
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Evacuating Tokyo is impossible I agree with you. The concern is that with 20 microseivert hot spots being recorded all over the area will cause widespread health problems. The issue is weather the residents of Tokyo are ready to live in these kinds of situations. No population has ever lived with that level of exposure in history so the outcome is unknown. The level of exposure at 20 microseiverts is also an elevated amount of about 4 times the level other nations have capped exposure to radiation. Naoto Kan thought he should evacuate Tokyo when the meltdown happened, but was stuffed by his cabinet which was had no nuclear experts on its panel. If the people of Tokyo do not want to leave it is their right to stay and suffer the consequences. The Soviet Union in 1986 did not give the people the right to make their own decisions about radiation exposure and as a result saved lives. The Japanese government has been complacent and has taken the industry standards as their own. This is a dangerous game for them to play considering the people will begin to understand the health effects of radiation the hard way. Once the public begins to see the damage opinions may change, but until the pain sets in no one will want to believe anything is wrong. I can only hope that the people of Tokyo take measures to protect themselves from misinformation and nuclear industry deceit. May god protect you and your family.
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I remind you that your Sun is predicted to become a red giant
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So now they complicate the Exposure per year formula and likewise that would complicate the lifetime exposure formula.
Ok new quick formulas
where X is millisieverts/hr, day = 24 hour (8 hours full exposure and 16 hours exposure @ 0.4 x full exposure), year = 365.25 days, Lifetime = 60 years
exposure per Day = X*14.4
exposure per Year = X*5259.6
exposure per Lifetime = X*315576
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I forgot to post my normal summation numbers
X = 0.00399 millisieverts per hour
(calculations rounded to 2 decimal places, exposure is based on the information provided as the method they are using)
0.06 millisieverts per Day,
20.99 millisieverts per Year,
1259.15 millisieverts per Lifetime
Even with these skewed number this is over 2.5 times mandatory evacuation at Chernobyl.
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Also if anyone would like a JavaScript function for exposure
function exposure (millisieverts) {
return (
[
Math.round(millisieverts * 14.4 * 100) / 100 + ' per Day',
Math.round(millisieverts * 5259.6 * 100) / 100 + ' per Year',
Math.round(millisieverts * 315576.0 * 100) / 100 + ' per Lifetime'
].toString().replace(/,/g, ‘, ‘)
);
}
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@ Bread and Butter,
i know that many Japanese People feel
responsible about F’Shima
and what is happened there,
of course Tepco is the main Criminal
but they done it not alone,
the Japanese System itself plays a Major-Role, the Japanese love to delegate Problems/ Solutions instead of facing them!
There are thousands of People who have to control the Nuclear Complex, all of them failed,
imo.the Japanese People see this Problem,
in Europe we like to blame “someone” but this
is imo. impossible because of the Scale!
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It is an impossible scale. But us enenewsers feel compelled, even partially responsible for your awareness of how bad it is. We can’t do anything about the rest of the people that live in Tokyo but we can help inform you in the hopes that you leave the hotspots behind. We would then feel that we made a difference in someone’s life in the short and long term (maybe even for generations to come through families that move).
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@ Ocifferdave,
enenews report nothing that i do not know!
And more important:F’Shima is not a solo Japanese Problem, go to Seattle, go to San Francisco and go to Vancouver and tell them they need to be “careful”!
There are more Hotspots on the American Eastcoast
than in West Japan or even in Hokkaido!
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@Human0815.
There may be hot spots here in the united states.
The key difference is that all of japan Is a hot spot.
You can evacuate.
You simply have no audacity to do so.
Your couture is on the verge of extinction… Your future children will suffer for your mistakes until the end of time. Half of the radiation will last for decades. Every year your population will be bombarded by these elements. Causing massive birth defects and mutations in all life forms susceptible to these conditions.
So yes if you continue to have this point of view, and fail yourself by not demanding that the acquired information key to your survival surfaces…
You have only failed yourself.
I dont pity you… yet
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If you provide me one scientific Study
with the accepted consensus that the whole of Japan is a “Hotspot”
i would believe you,
but until now, 10/19.11, there is none.
The estimate grow of the Cancer-Rate
because of F’Shima is at the moment
1 in ca.4.600!
(because of F’Shima 1000 of 4,6 Million People will develop Cancer)
Economical – it is dirty cheap!
Humanistic – Oh my God!
You need to change your Arguments,
this Catastrophe will not damage only the Japanese, there are more Tribes in the North who are more affected by this Poison!
And please trust me when i tell you that your Cigarette Smoking is more deadly than
the Level of Radiation i get at the moment
and you need to leave your House for the day time, otherwise your Brain stop to be creative in the finding of a Solution!
Regards, i need Breakfast!
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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-e7LQl0s3rX0/TdASkqcUa5I/AAAAAAAAAAU/esJdlGYF8A0/s250/japan_radiation_map16marz.png
As you can see the radiation clearly was dispersed across the entire island of Japan…
As you well know that the levels are all considered to be above background. Had you studied the ratios of plutonium to cesium 1:300 You would clearly understand that your entire island is riddled with toxic PL2OX…
However you may continue to ignore the science behind the matter and wait for Kan to disclose the true level of destruction…
Oh wait…
He already evacuated…
Maybe its time you started acting like a leader too…
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I watched that vid that Elenin/Whoopie has been posting, its about 40mins. It talks about the terrible health problems and loss of life from Chernobyl. And this Fukushima is FAR WORSE since it STILL hasn’t been stopped. Perhaps Human is deep in group think (herd mentality), surrounded by other Tokyoites that don’t talk about it, can’t see it being so bad, never will be bad enough to evacuate, and, for some, it only takes sun flowers and smiles to properly deal with fallout and bad attitudes of others.
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Human0815, you act a little troll’ish.
What happened to the poor English in your first posts? Your last post was eloquent. Perhaps more than one person posting on that account?
You ask for scientific links but do not provide any yourself! Why exactly is 1 in 4.600 a number to be trusted?
The old “Cigarettes are more dangerous” tale, indeed! What’s next? “The banana and airplane” tale?
You are accusing this site for spreading fear and “rabbit shock”. You prefer ignorance? Why should people act if they don’t know the severity of the situation?
A quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial
“Denial … is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.
The subject may use:
simple denial – deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether
minimisation – admit the fact but deny its seriousness (a combination of denial and rationalization)
projection – admit both the fact and seriousness but deny responsibility.
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None of us are immune to denial, even if we think we are. Sitting in the middle of mankinds worst disaster ever, will probably put most people into some form of denial.
When you say that this site has provided not one single piece of evidence it makes me think that you must be in some state of denial.
I believe that this site has the most comprehensive collection of links to both science data, news reports, and personal accounts regarding the Fukushima disaster to be found in one place.
Shame on you for belittling this site.
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Tacoma + Hemisfear311 +1
Its funny, the halfwit english has disappeared… oops
i sniff a shill, or a shit, a overgrown dead rat.
why blame japan? why blame tepco? Tepco had the chance years ago to fix gaping flaws in the design and do required maintenance but they failed to do so, that is criminal neglect which has led to the problem we have today, much bigger than any other nuclear mishap worldwide, why? because other nuclear plants have successfully carried out maintenance and repairs, your nuclear liscense should be stripped from beneath you, so screw you tepco.
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I’m beginning to understand why you Earthmen enjoy gambling. No matter how carefully one computes the odds of success, there is still a certain – exhilaration in the risk.
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The nuclear industry worldwide are equally to blame!!!!!
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well said anne!!
iaea, un and who
one for all and all for one!!
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meant to add the three puppeteers! lol!!
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Gotta love the skewed math. I’ve never heard of it being calculated that way before.
“The per hour to per year sievert conversion is calculated under the assumption that someone stays outside eight hours and indoors 16 hours a day, and the indoor exposure is 0.4 times that of being outdoors.”
Sorry, but the math is simple. 4 uSv/hour is 35 mSv/year. Math lesson:
4 uSv/hr = 0.004 mSv/hr
0.004 mSv/hr * 24 hours/day * 365 days/year
= 35 mSv/year
Still above 20 mSv/year, but not just slightly above it (21 mSv/year per their math). Actually way above it, 35 mSv/year.
Anyway, 20 mSv/year is a ridiculous threshold as it it. That is the acceptable dose for a nuclear industry worker, not for an average citizen or child.
So this reading of 35 mSv/year is extremely high. Chernobyl’s evacuation criteria was only about 4 mSv/year.
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In the Chernobyl disaster the evacuation exposure requirement was 0.5 Sv / Lifetime (60 yrs)
in exposure per year that would be ~8.333 millisieverts per year
in exposure per day that would be ~22.82 microsieverts per day
in exposure per hour based on their definition of an exposure day ~1.58 microsieverts per day
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Undertow
+1
Thank you for your accurate observation.
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Thank you Undertow,…I think ‘we’ just heard the truth.
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it is damn quiet here and around fuku.
guess every force in that situation is preparing now
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Yeah,….I noticed that too catweazel,…..the quiet before the storm? Darkest just before dawn? Something’s a BREWIN’
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Darkest just before it goes pitch black, I fear.
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“pitch Black”,…sends shivers! We will be in the pitch black,…your are right. How long ’til then? No idea.
I need batteries-thanks for the reminder farawayfan.
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So,…we can expect to see MORE gruesome stuff than Chernobyl?
Are not these numbers,….3-4X’s as much cesium in drinking water’, the smoking gun? Oh yeah,…you need a Sheriff in town,…if you want laws enforced. I forgot.
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I wonder if when the corium hits the icey cold water table and explodes sending an exponetially higher amount of radiation into the rest of Japan (negatively compounding an already lethal, life limiting situation), wont people eventually abondon most of Japan, thus starting a domino effect with other nuke reactors that are also abandoned, power grid infrastructure being abandoned, etc?
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nuclear domino effect I meant.
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Absolutely!
As they walk away from the abandoned nukes the plants will need continous external electricity supply for THOUSANDS OF YEARS (together with intelligent control and oversight) to keep the cores and spent fuel pools under control until they are in a truly cold state, and can just sit there quietly getting cooler one half-life at a time.
But if all Japan’s nukes shut down over a short period they will most likely pull the rest of the grid down with them (the folk at the coal-fired power plants will be walking off the job on the same day too – no pay no play), and there will be no external power for the nukes. The diesel-powered generators will run for a few hours, then each reactor will simply do a Fuku. How many reactors in Japan? Where do they run?
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Yes OD I think they will. They are resolute, while there is still a Japan. When SHTF,…..all their loyalty to their Motherland,…or whatever they call it,….the ‘fight or flight instinct’ will take them over. We are human animals first and foremost.
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The effects on the international community is by the use of the precautionary principle and derivations from available data show that there should be a carefully evaluated shut down of all reactors all over the world like Germany has embarked on courageously. Instead the really thoughtless Indian aand other authorities even after some of us have clearly shown is a path leading to extinction are proving to be incorrigible.
For example see my submission:
Ramaswami Kumar says:
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October 18, 2011 at 6:38 pm
On the basis of my work on Indian infant mortalities and still births due to nuclear activities from 1945, and data available albeit in a fuzzy manner about Fukushima release of radiation, I estimate 25 million infant mortalities due to Fukushima in India in the years to come.
The basis for the estimate is the figure computed for Chernobyl as given in my URL http://deathdealersnukes.blogspot.com/
Table MIMSB7189A:
The figure there for Chernobyl’s contribution to infant mortalities including still births(IMSB) for India is 664234(1986 to 1989). The rate for infant mortality is assumed there to be the same as for still births. The infant mortality and still birth rate data and census figures are from official statistics both for prenuclear era and post nuclear era.
ENENEWS, http://enenews.com headlines have reported 20 Chernobyl core radiation level in reactor water and 20 Chernobyl core fuel exposure radiation from spent fuel pools. Applying the precautionary principle regarding the robustness of these data, we may have to reckon with 40 Chernobyls worth of radiation which on a proportionate basis to that given for Chernobyl IMSB in the above referred table is 40×664234 or say 25 million IMSB in the years to come on account of Fukushima Daichi alone.
These are early days but deaths do not wait for a better assessment unless they reveal better truthful factual data which they may have with them.
The KUDANKULAM…
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@Ramaswami Kumar:
The KUDANKULAM fast therefore appears to be a must for survival among similar actions worldwide to be undertaken to force change of ways so we can all live in health here and now. The best brains in the nuclear industry must now do this compulsorily and report to the respective public in their areas periodically and come back for public hearings for at least the next decade or as long as is needed.
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the piling up of radioactive suits at the J-Village
show us what`s real go on there
more and more teams like that u can see
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@ Hemisfear, i think you are very unfriendly, like that Roxy!
I am watching and reading this page since 03/11 and i think
that i know ca 80% of the Articles here,
because this are the Mainstreamnews!
I wrote also that sometimes a correction is needed
but i dont wrote that enenews is spreading misinformation!
The cigarettes, lol!
Fukushima will kill many innocent People,
some People in the Amercas who call for a total evacuation
need to face reality because this killing will happen also there,
this catastrophe will change the life of everyone,
so i think we need to rethink our daily behavior
and smoking or sitting the whole day at home make us sick,
the people who do so like to give advise to us
but they are in the urgent need to help themself first!
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@ Roxy
“why not blame tepco”?
because this will lead to nowhere,
tepco was just the last instance but not the whole system,
when we or i blame only tepco the problem itself will stay
unsolved, to blame someone or something is imo very childish!
but i don’t mind, maybe my english is soooo bad
that you dont understand me or you dont want to understand
but there is no reason for being so unfriendly!
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human0815, i understand what you are saying, i dont think you are a shill or whatever….every opinion should be heard (in my opinion!)
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Human – One more thought I’d like to leave with you on the disrespect you are feeling right now. At the beginning of this thread a commenter named Anthony wrote a hateful piece about Japanese responsibility for the Fuku accident and decision making thereafter. When the contamination hits the us to the point that it starts sickening and killing people the populace will wake up and understand what’s going. The response for many will be to place blame on anyone other than themselves. As scary as Anthony’s comments were, it does not take a lot of imagination to believe that thinking such as his will be representative of the prevailing mindset in many effected countries. Beware of those who carelessly advocate relocation.
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@ Mungo, thank you very much!
I found a good article about “the Japanese Problem”!
“Amakudari: Japan’s system of amakudari (descent from heaven), in which bureaucrats retire from their ministries to take up lucrative positions in the companies they formerly “regulated,” means that there is no real distinction between regulator and regulated in Japan. Indeed, it’s fair to say that certain powerful industries actually regulate the ministries that are tasked with regulating them. Remember: The retired bureaucrats who have become industry executives remain senpai to the younger bureaucrats who remain in the ministries (their former kōhai). It is unthinkable that these kōhai could effectively regulate their former senpai — for it would involve an inversion of one of the most fundamental relationships in Japanese life.
Perhaps no industry is as rife with amakudari as the nuclear business. Tepco is typical, with four company vice-presidents between 1959 and 2010 coming from Japan’s Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA), the main ministry tasked with overseeing the nuclear industry.”
This is from one of the important Newspaper here:
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/fl20111018hn.html
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Thank you Human, for those most valuable insights friend!
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Bless You Human….
American Domination….it is so difficult for those of us raised in a
“G.I. JOE” family and society, to face the falsehoods pushed by our Nation.
Many of our Elders are clinging to a WW II, John Wayne picture of USA.
We, the USA Powers, International Bankers, forced Post-War Society
upon the Japanese people, with Good and Bad Results.
We Forced the Nuke Plants, and all the Industrial Pollution, on Japan.
If I could Do it, If I hit the Big Lottery or something,
I’d try to get a selection of Japanese, include some ethnic Ainu people,
and relocate them to whatever has been judged the best survivable
location, in family groups, including Elders which are not going to
make the survival-cull-standard of the BEAST Powers.
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Survival-cull-standards…..great term Elinin.
I heard two people talkng about this at the post office..
I was not part of the conversation.
One party told the other party…something to the effect..that none of this prep stuff matters…in the end…the one with the biggest gun..eats.
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This has to be the largest country run by Brain farts that I have ever read news on. Check out what they did after cleaning up a hot spot.
http://newsonjapan.com/html/newsdesk/article/92610.php
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