Published: June 5th, 2012 at 2:14 am ET
|
Follow-up to: NHK: More than half of thermometers in Reactor 2 not working -- Tepco will start 'start measuring temperatures again by late July' -- High humidity inside reactor blamed
Fukushima Daiichi NPS Unit 2 PCV Temperatures
Tepco
June 4, 2012
http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/images/handouts_120604_03-e.pdf
Note: Some columns blacked out to highlight relevant data
Return Air Temperature of 114A and 114D:
- CONSISTENT: 5/27 @ 23:00 – 5/28 @ 11:00
- UP: 5/28 @ 17:00 – 5/28 @ 23:00
- DOWN: 5/29 @ 11:00
- CONSISTENT: 5/29 @ 17:00 – 6/2 @ 23:00
- UP: 6/3 @ 5:00 – 6/4 @ 5:00
Supply Air Temperature of 114F and 114H:
- CONSISTENT: 5/27 @ 23:00 – 5/28 @ 11:00
- DOWN: 5/28 @ 17:00 – 5/28 @ 23:00
- UP: 5/29 @ 11:00
- CONSISTENT: 5/29 @ 17:00 – 6/2 @ 23:00
- DOWN: 6/3 @ 5:00 – 6/4 @ 5:00
The two yellow columns on the left are the temperatures of the ‘return’ air. The two on the right are the ‘supply’ air.
As the red arrows indicate, not only do both ‘return’ temperatures rise, fall and remain constant at the same times, but so do both ‘supply’ temperatures.
Additionally, both the ‘return’ and ‘supply’ temperatures fluctuate at the same times.
Published: June 5th, 2012 at 2:14 am ET
|
sending...
[OFF TOPIC]
Report Comment
The whole issue with these thermometers seems to be another of Tepco's diversion maneuvers to obfuscate what is really happening.
Are the thermometers broken? Who knows? For all I know they could all be broken and the presented data could be old records from before the accident or more likely just manufactured figures to make it appear as if some of the equiment is still working.
The message that 23 of the 41 thermometers in Unit 2 are malfunctioning could be a well prepared statement to ease the minds of those who try to follow what is going on at the site.
People will read this statement and grant it credibility for admitting that so many thermometers are malfunctioning, while at the same time feel reassured by the fact that they still have 18 functioning thermometers and thus can still monitor and somehow control the situation.
I do not believe this is case. We have seen the same story from Tepco a few times too often now, only to be disproven by later statements or external sources.
I believe the whole issue is a smokescreen hiding something far more indigestible.
Report Comment
I agree. I always think "why all this about thermometers"?
In that mess there will 500 systems not working, but no mention of them. It mimics the hoax about sfp4.
Report Comment
Exactly! While everybody are looking hard at sfp4 and Tepco appears to give information about the structure, we should perhaps turn our focus to the ominous silence that veils other parts of the plant site.
If Tepco actually had the intention of candidly informing about the state of things, they could easily open up access to some of their many High Definition Cameras all over the site. No, they obviously prefer to keep everyone in the dark, throwing bits of unveryfiable data us at their whim.
Report Comment
I follow the Hitler/Goebbels maxim that the greatest lie is the one most likely to be believed. Thus the lie about sfp4, which emptied itself in 2 stages, one at the time of the initial explosion and fire, and the second in the "event" in 14 June 2011 as recorded on tepcocam. 福島第一原発 昨夜(6/14)発生した煙大量噴出の瞬間！
I assume there is not much left in sfp4, which is why Tepco is allowing/facilitating the endless crap in the media about "if it falls".
If it falls, there will be nothing left to cause a panic over, and Tepco will look like the good guys, and the fearmongers will be left with egg on face.
Looking at it another way, they didn't evacuate Tokyo when U3 shot its moxfuel load, did they? And that was the most significant single catastrophic event in human history.
Report Comment
you may be right…
But if there is nothing left in sfp 4, would not there be much higher radiation levels both on site and around Japan?
Report Comment
My assumption is that rad levels everywhere are mainly a function of U3, since a moxfuel rod is 146,000 times as toxic to life as a uranium rod. All the other contributors, such as U1, are supporting acts.
A lot of original reports were squashed and sent down the memory hole. I recall that 6 monitoring stations in S Korea detected pu in the days following U3, but that info has disappeared. Thanks, Winston.
Report Comment
Just want to make the point that #3 reactor contained MOX fuel (some of the recently loaded rods), but that the SFP of #3 (that blew up) had only ordinary uranium rods stored in it.
So the MOX fuel is all down in the basement corium melt, not blown across the countryside. It's merely garden variety uranium rod pellets that got blown across the landscape, when the #3 SFP achieved criticality three times in as many seconds.
See http://everist.org/archives/Fukushima/20120430_Message_of_Fuku3.htm
There, don't we all feel better now?
Report Comment
AGreenRoad,
When this comes up, my question always is: higher than what? Do we have reliable data, really? Some of the numbers have been astronomical and others tiny.
http://www.earthspiral.jp/47pj/
ageezerofgiza,
My, my, so much truthiness in one morning sets a girl's heart a-flutter. Thank you. Feel free to throw a "cold pancake" at me, if need be, lol.
TerraHertz,
My hope is that your post will bring James2 back to argue about reactor 3. I can't make the case as effectively he could, and I will say that many here also see the source of that explosion as the r3 sfp. Yet even taking into account the image that you posted, there are also many of us who believe the reactor was the primary source, and that MOX has gone around the world ("some went down and some went up"), Lithuania picked up aerosolized plutonium, etc. Thanks, TerraHertz. Please come back, James2
.
Report Comment
You're most welcome. Indeed, I am so encouraged I might try again!
Report Comment
On the other hand, where are the 100 CPM spikes of radiation coming from in the US these days?
5/2012 – US Radioactive Fallout Measurements, US Beef, US Radiation Tool; via A Green Road Blog
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/05/52012-us-radioactive-fallout.html
Report Comment
Besides, everyone is out on vacation.. no one left who has time to put new thermometer probes where the sun don't shine.
Earlier reports be ENE say that on weekends, the place is empty, no one working at all.
Are they running out of workers?
Report Comment
The thermometers are more than likely working, but as stated prior they are showing the heat of a nuclear reaction. So like the monitors in the US that are showing radioactivity, the readings must be negated in order to continue with propaganda stating a 'cold shutdown' at Fukushima and 'safe' in the US.
Just more murderous government coverup. They can't stop the monitoring, like in the US, they need them for the temperature readings of a continued meltdown.
Report Comment
Whether the thermometers are working or not, Tepco claims that several of them are not. To back up their claim, they attach a bunch of temperature readings. But they never expected that someone like our admin would thoroughly go over the numbers only to find that the data contradicts the claim. Thanks admin for once more uncovering the faulty correlation in Tepco's handouts and what they were supposed to prove to us.
Report Comment
It appears that putting your head in the sand is quite a complex action!! There's a lot of sand beneath these gangsters feet and they're trying very hard to reach the ground water with their denial! Are they trying to out race the runaway coriums???
Report Comment
I think they should stick those thermometers up their arses and see if they're actually alive!!!!!
Report Comment
It's nice to trivialize during the midst of a crisis.
Report Comment
Why not just send someone in and replace them?
That's right, can't do that.
Why not send in a robot and fix them?
Can't do that one either. (or not been invented yet)
WHY 'risk' building something that can't be fixed?
…and build a bunch of them side by side.
…on top of earthquake faults and in a tsunami zone on an island no less.
I think the questions now are:
1 – How long do we have before there is another viewable mega event?
2 – How long is the estimate for stopping the spewing and gushing that continues to spread and accumulate throughout all environments?
3 – What is the best case for this worsening case scenario?
(short term, 10/20 yrs, long term) Seriously, be honest.
Report Comment
ChasAha: As usual, another great question. We have, apparently, as many as three coriums in bedrock many feet below U1,2,&3. They are more or less 50 tons each, the size of a bus. They are in sandstone, and have ground water flowing around them. Tepco will try to stop the water flow by building a cofferdam between Corium1,2,&3 and the Pacific. Uphill from Coriums1,2,&3, inland, they will drill a series of wells to pump groundwater out of the ground, test it, then dump it into the Pacific. The point of all this, of course, is to keep ground water from flowing around Coriums1,2,&3, becoming heavily contaminated, and then flowing on into the Pacific. Beck to Coriums1,2,&3: The exterior of each corium is a dark grey crust, while the interior is like molten lava, white hot, the "lava that never cools", heated internally to over 2,000 degrees F by radioactive decay. The outer crust insulates the lava within, keeping the interior a white hot hell. Where is all the reported radiation from Fuku coming from? The Coriums themselves are constantly moving, roiling, popping and sputtering. The path each corium took from Reactor1,2,&3 to their present locations under Fuku is still popping and sputtering. Plus 4 SFPs. How long will Coriums stay hot? Anybody's guess. A nuclear scientist might be able to tell you, but won't in order to keep a job. Without moderation, my guess is that the interior of Corium1,2,&3 will be 1,500 degrees F in 2025, and 1,000 degrees F in…
Report Comment
And 1,000 degrees F in 2050. Anybody else have a guess on this?
Report Comment
ChasAha: My answers to your great questions:
1 – How long do we have before there is another viewable mega event?
PUN says never. No future mega events. Coriums already in water, just smouldering away.
2 – How long is the estimate for stopping the spewing and gushing that continues to spread and accumulate throughout all environments?
PUN says 100+ years unless site is covered in a sarcophagus built on a 100' deep foundation.
3 – What is the best case for this worsening case scenario?
PUN says this needs an international effort to build a sarcophagus over and around Fuku1,2,3,&4. Evacuate all of Japan to China Ghost Cities. Build extra medical facilities to help the sick and dying. All nukes throughout Earth decommissioned amid public outcry. Destruction of nuke bombs, and end of nuke industry. New era of independent government and responsible corporations.
Report Comment
Thanks PUN. That's some from the gut honesty.
Report Comment
went and washed my car, got lunch, went to bank/post office, did some bills, called the g.f. (no answer) will call back later, did the dishes, mowed the lawn, read the paper.
Report Comment
glowfus: ?
Report Comment
glowfus, for some reason that post really appeals to my sense of whimsy, but… please elaborate or explain the theme.
Was it: "watcha gonna do?", "ain't it awful?", "life goes on?", "I have no answers either", "gotta decompress?"… something else?
Report Comment
What about the trash?
Report Comment
compared to the broken thermometer story, my post is far more informative, dont you think so?
Report Comment
Hehe. I missed the ironic focus glowfus, but somehow got the spirit of the post.
Yes, a lot of what we read – from all sources – is empty and/or a misdirection. Somehow it is tempting to pick at it anyway, looking for crumbs.
Hey, what color is your lawnmower?
Report Comment
It can be hard to speculate what TEPCO or other pronuke advocates are really thinking or saying about the ever changing conditions at Fukushima. Some are lying, some don't agree. Some simply don't know, it's "not their area of expertise". But, for all the reasons and motivations, including genuine scientific acceptable denial, the industry paints a unified face. And, rightly, we all bristle at such a childish farce. In reality, many of these engineers and scientists have different ideas of what is even happening during a nuclear chain reaction, let alone how to properly build and run a nuclear power plant. For me, the scary part isn't that people will lie to cover their asses like TEPCO. That is to be expected and will never change. The scary part is that while operating the most toxic, volatile, destructive means of energy production on the planet, the very people in the industry don't even agree on the facts of what they are doing.
Report Comment
thanks for asking, it's orange colored. and continuing off topic, one of the basic problems we are having with this catastrophe is that when this technology was invented 60 or 70 years ago, it was absolutely assumed the answers to the problems of storage, accidents etc. would of course be invented. and of course it wasnt. and to some degree i can see how that would be assumed at the time. what they didnt realize is that they were the geniuses and the follow-up geniuses needed to invent the technology never happened.
Report Comment