Former US Gov’t Official: Growing likelihood Fukushima reactors will be entombed — Nuclear ‘sacrifice zone’ where they can only try to reduce contamination from escaping — Unprecedented situation, it’s flowing into Pacific Ocean continually adding to plume soon to hit West Coast (AUDIO)

Published: April 4th, 2014 at 1:00 am ET
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Fukushima at Three: Folklore vs. Facts, Institute for Policy Studies, Mar. 7, 2014:

  • At 22:45 in — Robert Alvarez, senior Energy Department official on nuclear issues from 1993-99: On the outer edges of the site they’re trying to block the flow of groundwater coming into the site to prevent this constant flow of contamination. What this means is that this contamination is sort of going on a continuous basis into the Pacific Ocean and it adds more and more to a plume that is predicted to reach the west coast of the United States in the near future. There are no credible disposition paths for this enormous and growing volume of stored contaminated water. This is an unprecedented situation. What are we going to do with all of this water? No technologies currently exist to remove the severely radioactive melted cores. We can’t rule out the possibility of permanent entombment of the reactors there. In other words you cannot rule out the possibility that this is going to become a nuclear national sacrifice zone where only triage can be done to reduce the contamination.
  • At 48:30 in — Question: My father comes from the western part of Fukushima […] To this day we don’t know where the corium went, because no one can get close to it — and I think that’s the issue.
  • At 55:30 in — Alvarez: The technologies simply do not exist to handle and otherwise remove the highly radioactive cores of these reactors right now. We really don’t – this is all uncharted territory. […] I think that the likelihood of there being entombment of these reactors with their cores, it’s growing over time — and again it’s a national sacrifice zone scenario.

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Published: April 4th, 2014 at 1:00 am ET
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161 comments to Former US Gov’t Official: Growing likelihood Fukushima reactors will be entombed — Nuclear ‘sacrifice zone’ where they can only try to reduce contamination from escaping — Unprecedented situation, it’s flowing into Pacific Ocean continually adding to plume soon to hit West Coast (AUDIO)

  • name999 name999

    We have become a national sacrifice zone.

    • We Not They Finally

      Say, stock (if you didn't see earlier message,) thanks for preparing those questions. We just got to them late. But you are doing a fabulous job educating people! And if you come up with an anti-apathy pill, just let us know.

  • Uranium_Mountain Uranium_Mountain

    What about pouring a huge 50 foot thick concrete slab up hill somewhere away from but still near the site while at the same time building a massive remote controlled mining machine to dig up the whole damn site scoop by scoop and move it all to that slab location and put it all there forming a "Fukushima Mountain". Then pour thousands more concrete blocks on top of that and a new pyramid is born. Hmmmmm, makes me wonder now what the ancients were really hiding under all those pyramids? Perhaps their own damn MOX fuel waste that we were never supposed to find?

    • dosdos dosdos

      The groundwater flows too deep and the ground is too porous for a concrete dam to work. It would come apart from the forces present in a very short time period.

      • skizexq skizexq

        BINGO, dosdos@!
        we live in absurd world and we now have unlimited contributions from the corporations (we are 'people' too!) to all partie[r]s in governmental elected office, the Supremes said so in new ruling! So expect quick fixes for an unfixable problem, just make sure to bribe your CON-[di-]gressman!! – God, I love fascism, smells like money…
        Keep thje troughs a flowing with good old pork slime to suicidal industries…

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

        The radiation is such huge amounts breaks down or corrodes everything and causes enormous earthquakes. Also dams cause earthquakes as do all the melting of ice which creates more weight on the surface of the earth including the ocean floor.

        Huge amounts of radiation are still seeping from Chernobyl and all nuclear power plants. It is both naive and insane to hope that nuclear reactions can be contained.

        • Radio Radio

          V V, you are, as usual, correct. But, they can be slowed and interfered with a wee bit, which is the vitrification process. I don't give it the robustness that many do, but, it's probably better than dry casking or pond storage or concrete and steel containment. Did you once mention that gold will actually work? Now, wouldn't that be something. What would leaders do in such a case? Such a dilemma! Keep the gold and risk the people? Spare the people and use the gold?

      • Radio Radio

        Concrete polymer. Something perhaps like vitrification of rock dust and a glue or resin. I'm convinced someone is working on it. Injected into horizontal or vertical permeable tubes or bore holes bored with a laser drill like Bertha. It might block a high percent of the water for a time. They will trench around the entire facility once they abandon their ice wall scheme and remove much of the hill, moving it back, pond lining, filling with the tanks, then recovering. In another post i said i thought they might rename it Hidden Shores. But, all kidding aside, i think this scheme, or one like it, will be employed once they are out of denial. The term the former DOE official used will occur to someone – oh, yeah, right – sacrifice zone. It will flip the light switch. It could be done in two to three years if they worked 24/7. If they worked faster, they could use the top for an Olympic skateboard park. Nw that's a joke, of course, but, understanding the need for space on that island, i can see it happening. In fact, vitrify the whole damn thing.

    • dka

      I think that we do have the technology to remove this, small piece at a time, but the industry does not have the will, the patience, nor the desire to spend to money to do it.
      We can build hydro mechanic robots that don't need electronics to fonction, also using mirrors instead of camera at sensitive locations for example. It is just that they don't want to pay for it. No need to invent much, just build it. I admit I can be wrong, but I doubt and need to be explained why it would not work.

      • Radio Radio

        dka, i completely agree with you that the lack of will is a huge piece of the problem here along with an unwillingness to pay. As to the technology, i also think we have some stuff, maybe not off the shelf, but, at least worth a try. We won't know until we try and that is what is not happening. The thought process has been "decommissioning" and avoiding "entombment" at all costs for the various political and economic fall out such an obvious failure of nuclear engineering would show the world.

  • dosdos dosdos

    Another idiot who thinks that entombment is a solution.

    • Sol Man

      It is activity that will cost much money and not fix the problem.
      They just have to stop the insanity and put their weight behind alternative energy sources, at least while we are here.
      Nuclear has failed.

      • mrutopian mrutopian

        Sol Man, that would be the intelligent rational thing to do, but the rightwingers would like to double down on nuclear power and the trickledown theory and freetrade.

        They are dumber than a box of rocks.

    • Radio Radio

      dosdos, i'm not sure he thinks that entombment is a solution, just better than leaving everything exposed, which it is now and will continue to be. His assumption is also, i think, that the groundwater will be diverted as much as possible. In fact, i see them removing the entire hillside if entombment is ever tried. I'm thinking that they will want to both reduce the water drainage issue from the hill by removing the hill and use the dirt as a cover. There IS technology to do this kind of earthworks if they don't waste anymore time. It's not a permanent solution, and the cost will be enormous, which should teach an object lesson, but, it does reduce some of the permeability of the soil. They can also inject boron, which will help for a time.

  • Ontological Ontological

    More spin coming soon.

    They could not do walls fences or seawalls due to groundwater pressure from the mountains. What the HELL good will entombing them do? Timed release action? Bullshit is not what we need here solutions are!

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

      The weight of the entombment will cause so much subsidence that all of Fukushima will sink below the surface of the ocean. Look at the light weight materials that they have used so far to cover up the reactor buildings completely mangled by the reactor explosions.

      They can't pay for all the evacuations in Japan, the US, Canada, and elsewhere that should be mandated.

      • Radio Radio

        V V, i'm not sure about the weight of the materials, but that's a good point. But, would that be the same concern at all nuclear waste facilities which will easily equal the size of Fukushima in materials AND radiation. Perhaps that's why vitrification is one of the preferred methods for long term storage – they say a 1000 years, i say maybe a couple hundred. Store them right, such as in tubes that together make walls, and you lose the need for building materials – just the cover is needed, the glass logs ARE the structure. It's crazy, but, maybe not as crazy as the folks whose industry this is.

    • Radio Radio

      Ontological, i share your sentiment, but, are there other solutions? That is the point he is making. There are no solutions and there will be no solutions. There was no one in the nuclear industry whose job it was to create long term storage or remediation. That was not where the money was from an industry point of view. And, given how compartmentalized the industry is, it was an easy oversight for the likes of people desiring to do nuclear energy in the first place. So, vitrification after 3 to 4 years of pool storage then 5 years of dry cask storage IS the only technology invented or will be invented. The industry simply has no incentive to find a solution, That is left to the government. And, governments tend to not be very inventive.

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Ontological:
      Entombment requires an adequate foundation.
      Groundwater diversion requires a 100' deep wall.
      Build a 100' deep foundation, and you have diverted the groundwater!
      Cover the Tomb with a rubber membrane roof.
      This can be done.
      This MUST be done.
      Japan must step up, or else it must step back and let an international crew do the work.
      But TEP.gov has yet to complete job one.
      Job one is to map the corium.

      Where is the damn corium, eh, TEPCO? 😉

      Tiping point. Tip it!

  • Crickets Crickets

    The beautiful Pacific Ocean and all the oceanic wildlife is being destroyed, and there's nothing that can be done about it!!!!

    It's a crime against all of humanity and most people aren't even paying attention.

    • Radio Radio

      They channel it elsewhere. Horrible huge environmentally devastating earthworks that humans love to perform. My take on this fellow's statements about entombment is that time is a wasting and there are no solutions so we need to reduce as much exposure as quickly as we can. Thus the term nuclear sacrifice zone. Everything there is sacrificed to spare as much of the rest of the world as can be spared. That technology has existed through out this crisis, but the desire to maintain a look of control and competency for the industry and governments took priority. So, i applaud this fellow coming out and saying that it's hopeless in terms of finding solutions. Entombment is not perfect. It is NOT a solution. There is not a solution. But, entombment does reduce exposure, not all exposure, but, fewer will die because of it while the coriums cool and form a crust, which becomes the next layer of entombment and so forth. In 500 years, a lot of the heat will have dissipated. Maybe, if we're around, we'll have a fix. Maybe we'll have someway to reach the cores and pour something on them for another 500 years to buy time. These, i think, our the steps we can take simply because there are no solutions.

    • mrutopian mrutopian

      Chargedbarticle, If we could entomb the river, wouldn't the 3 cores overheat and do something weird?

  • Crickets Crickets

    How can something be entombed when you cannot seal it from beneath?

    • We Not They Finally

      Yeah, a pressure cooker on top would not exactly help the sieve on the bottom.

      But since apparently no one can yet even get NEAR at least three of the blown reactor, even that may turn out to be a moot point.

    • Crash2Parties Crash2Parties

      "How can something be entombed when you cannot seal it from beneath?"

      Simple. You make it look pretty and secure on the top for the nightly news shows. Clean up the grounds, too. I don't mean "decontaminate", I mean drain the tanks into the ocean, take them away to be made into consumer goods and bulldoze the grounds so that half the fallout goes airborne & the other half gets washed to sea with the next monsoon. Open a visitors center & memorial outside the fence.

      Mission accomplished.

    • skizexq skizexq

      Well, third time's a charm…nuke the cuker (Japan)
      kidding,
      anyone see this haunter?:
      http://www.filmindipendenti.com/wordpress/2014/01/11/abita-animated-short-film-about-fukushima-children/

      • skizexq skizexq

        I wrote a song about the dangers of nukes, awhile back, 'Nukes are for Cukes' (cucumbers)
        {not for power}/should re-work it

        for all the NW WA folks reading:
        http://seattletimes.com/html/thearts/2021838272_satsopartexhibitxml.html
        and those in FUku/Japan still unaware as we are in the USA:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiANFa36WMM

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          How about Nukers are Kooks (for Cukoo, i.e., crazy).

          • skizexq skizexq

            I'm trying to remember the lyrics, have a tape of it somewhere, Vanne,

            hmm//
            It was a cold day in June, I was feeling pissed,
            the wife and me were just being dissed…no that's not it…
            some bits from my fogged IPA brain:

            "

            So I took over the place, I'm the engineer, I'm going to have my way
            so you better stay clear.
            I am a nuclear scientist, and I'm pissed,
            I'm the engineer so you better stay clear,
            taking over the place, gonna get my way — too many people are dying today!

            The only rads we need come from the sun.
            nukes are for CUC's, they help someone, but it seems
            NUKES are for kooks we know they help no one.

            I'll dig it out someday before I croak and post.

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

              +1000000000000. Thanks, skizexq. I really like that.

              • Gasser Gasser

                Moody Blues

                "I Know You're Out There Somewhere"

                Go here first before you read this sing say

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cjImFYf2Vzc

                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                I know Daiichi Bucky Ball's are out there somewhere

                
Somewhere, somewhere

                
I know they'll contaminate us somehow


                Somehow, somehow


                And somehow the'll return again to us.

                The Actinide mist is drifting slowly
                
I can see the plume way ahead


                And left behind the empty streets

                That once inspired my life.

                
And the strength of our enenews emotion’s
                
Is like thunder in the cyber air

                
'Cos the false promise that NRC made to the world

                Haunts us to the end.

                I know Radiations out there somewhere


                Somewhere, somewhere

                
I know Isotopes are out there somewhere

                Somewhere you can hear our concerned voice’s.

                
I know you'll contaminate us somehow

                
Somehow, somehow


                I know we'll inhale Plutonium somehow
                
And somehow It'll return again to us.

                The secret of Daiichi's ugly Atomic beauty
                
And the mortality of our souls

                
I've been searching for truth in everyone I meet
                
And at the times I've been Shill mislead.

                
It's impossible to say

                As the mutated grass is growing
                
Underneath our feet

                I know the plume is out there somewhere


                Somewhere, somewhere.

                [Cont]

                • Gasser Gasser

                  [Cont]

                  
I know Cesiums out there somewhere

                  Somewhere you can hear our protest voice's


                  I know Americium will find us somehow


                  Somehow, somehow.

                  
I know It'll find us some place

                  And somehow It'll return again to us

                  From the Nuclear warnings that I remember

                  From my childhood still are true.

                  
That there's sheeple so blind

                  As those Pro Nukes who will not see


                  And to those pussies who lack the courage

                  And say it's not dangerous to try.

                  
Well they just don't F—ing know

                  That false eternal love will be denied

                  I know radiation's out there somewhere


                  Somewhere, somewhere.

                  
I know you're out there somewhere

                  Somewhere you can hear our pissed off voice's


                  I know you'll find our lungs somehow


                  Somehow, somehow.

                  
I know Tritium will find us somehow

                  And somehow It'll return to us again

                  Yes I know it's going to happen

                  I can see Gamma ray's getting near.

                  
And soon we'll be all frying

                  To the spewing fountain of Fukushima's meltdown


                  And if you wake up delirious wondering

                  In the darkness Plutonium will be there.

                  
Our hands will close around Geiger counter’s
                  
That falsely protect us without truth

                  I know Cesium out there somewhere


                  Somewhere, somewhere.

                  
I know Plutonium's out there somewhere

                  Somewhere you can hear enenews voice’s

                  
I know we'll find you somehow


                  Somehow, somehow


                  I know we'll educate everyone somehow
                  
And somehow we'll post to you
                  to the bitter end

                  ~Gasser…

    • Radio Radio

      My guess is that someone is off in a room somewhere designing a horizontal piping system that can be bored into place under the entire facility, then filled with a concrete polymer that will be injected into the pipes to then ooze through a permeable lining and harden in place. No?

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      First, locate and map the corium. 😉
      They will find Corium Lava Tubes, which lead down from the reactor ruins to the corium in the earth below.
      Use slant drilling to penetrate the Corium Lava Tubes.
      Pump in concrete mixed so as to cure underwater.
      Collect the displaced groundwater in barges in the harbor for filtration and disposal.
      Fill the Corium Lava Tubes with concrete from Containment Vessel to corium.
      If the Corium Lava Tubes are miles deep, make a concrete plug at a depth of, lets say, a mile deep. The concrete in the Corium Lava Tube will displace the water that has been carrying contamination from nuclear fuel debris into the ocean.
      If heat needs to be drawn off to cool the corium, surround it with pipes filled with coolant. Frozen wall.
      It sure isn't a pretty solution. It will not stop all corium outgassing and water contamination.
      But it will help, and it will be a big advance from where we are at right now.
      Just wringing our hands: "Oh me, oh my! Nothing can ever be done!!" Doesn't cut it.
      We can do better then this.
      We MUST do better then this!
      It's a big job.
      There is a lot of work to be done.
      Let's get to it!
      Tipping point.
      Tip it!

      • mrutopian mrutopian

        Phillup, sounds good, but too expensive for Japan.

        • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

          Mrutopian: Since this is too expensive for Japan, the international community will have to step up to the Challenge of Fukushima, on behalf of the human race and planet earth.
          This is what ENEnewsers have been saying here for some time. 🙂

        • Radio Radio

          PUN hmmm…your acronym. Your idea has a chance. At least someone should be looking into it. Mrutopian, way too expensive for Japan or any one country, i totally agree. So, PUN, i agree that this will take an international effort. I worry that the concrete from the planes idea is to save money and avoid that international effort.

        • +100000 great idea.. but expensive..

          Will need World Bank to finance it.

          More funny money will have to be printed, by the container ship full.

          Let's do it!

  • rogerthat

    ''There are no credible disposition paths for this enormous and growing volume of stored contaminated water. This is an unprecedented situation. What are we going to do with all of this water?''

    Replace the word ''water'' with the word ''waste'' and this begins to sound familiar.

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Good question, rogerthat.
      What do we do with all that contaminated water?
      Here is one solution:
      1. Drain all the water into barges.
      2. Tow all the barges out to sea.
      3. Anchor the barges over the Trench.
      4. Mount an ALPS system onto a barge or ship.
      5. Filter the water at sea.
      6. Salinate the decontaminated water to match the water at the bottom of the Trench.
      7. Cool the water to match the temperature at the bottom of the Trench.
      8. Pump the water to the bottom of the Trench.
      There, you have solved the contaminated water issue. 🙂
      This is a big job.
      Let's get to it.
      Tipping point.
      Tip it!

      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

        and you'd trust these people, Philip, to adequately filter the contaminated water that's held within the barges, before disposal? What's to keep them from simply going through the motions? After all, they have been doing that all along…

        • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

          Ah, you are so right about that, Aftershock.
          TEPCO just goes through the motions.

          But I would much rather be struggling to make Japan filter the water at sea, then to see TEPCO muck about in the mess they have made of their leaky Fukushima tank farm!

          Besides, this project is going to be much more expensive then the meger funds the capitalists at TEPCO are willing to spend on the Fukushima decommission. So we are likely to be dealing with the Japanese Government, or with the Japan Military in any case.

          (An entirely new set of incompetent human tools, I do supose.)

          But I have an ace in the hole: We now have bacteria that we can plant in the deep ocean along with our filtrate, that can eat, and metabolize radioactive elements. This will serve to bind these elements, so that they will stay in the deep ocean while their radioactivity slowly diminishes over time. 😉
          http://web.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev32_3/amazing.htI
          I read somewhere that much of the radioactivity released by Russian ocean disposal of nuclear waste at sea has been mitigated by the natural biological activity of the ocean floor. 🙂
          (Just don't tell TEP.gov. I'd like them to go through the motions on decontamination before dumping.)

          • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

            I'd advise caution, Philip, before delegating any tasks to these people. I have zero trust in their actions. They make tapeworms look saintly…

            • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

              Japan is toast.
              They are all, privately, sick by now.
              I say that an "international effort" is necessary, eventually replacing the Japanese.
              International Fukushima Rescue.
              Wanna join? 😉

              • name999 name999

                philip, the unbelievable thing is that it does not appear any government in the
                world will step in. No one is doing anything seemingly because of respecting
                Japan's authority over itself, reporting all is well, preparing for 2020 Olympics.

                I applaud your attempts at a solution but I fear this has gone too far,
                the bell cannot be unrung now. Hoping I am completely wrong on this.

                • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

                  "No one is doing anything seemingly because of respecting Japan's authority over itself."

                  Suppose you were Japanese, and one of those simpering little TEPCO toads bowed their heads, telling you how sorry they were about poisoning all the children of planet earth forevermore. Kindly part that gentleman from his head for me, please.

                  My daddy was a straight military navy officer, docked in Tokyo Bay at the end of WWII. He took shore leave almost daily, departing always with a bag of food, pockets full of candy for the children. On his walk, he would leave the food behind with desparate, hungry people who begged for anything he had. One family asked him into their home, and presented him with the family's heirloom pair of samauri swords, which are now in a rack I had made for their display.

                  With all due respect to the Japanese people, if one of those TEPCO criminals bows to you, telling you how sorry he is for his Company's criminal behavior, please help this person into the afterlife. I would offer you my father's sword to get the job done.

                  To hell with Japan.
                  Japan is toast.
                  They are all dead.
                  They killed their own.
                  Corporations, the nuclear industry, TEPCO, and Government at all levels totally failed the Japanese people.
                  That failure is now in the past.

                  NOTHING is being done to mitigate Fukushima.
                  Push the Japanese out of the way.
                  They will let us in, only because we would then have to foot the bill.
                  Peace, out.

            • Radio Radio

              AFTERSHOCK, this would be the moment, should the switch be made from attempting failed "decommissioning" to "entombment" where us public citizens would need to rally en masse that it become an international team effort and ALL viable entombment theories we approved by said group. Now that i'm thinking about it, i'm going to write my senator, Ron Wyden, the one guy who stood up against the president on Fukushima and got himself in front of the TV cameras after going to take a look at the site himself and announced that things were very severe. He kicked the media in the butt and they started to follow the story a little better. He'd be a good candidate to have in our corner.

  • rogerthat

    Remember this quote from Conca in Forbes on the subject of the currently crippled WIPP, which he describes as ''the only deep geologic repository for nuclear waste operating in the world'':

    ''But before we throw the baby out with the bathwater, and start re-inventing the wheel, let’s review what options for nuclear waste disposal have been proposed over the last 70 years. Then, I invite readers’ thoughts about what you would do with, or where you would choose to put, this material.''

    Plan B, anybody? Or is the bleeding obvious true – that there is no feasible way to permanently isolate man-made radioisotopes from the environment?

    • We Not They Finally

      Anyone sane would not have "chosen" to produce the "material" at all. And now the repository he says is "operating," isn't.

      And it's "the reader's" obligation to solve that? I just wish there was a "repository" by which to deep-six people like Conca's abysmal arrogance.

      • Crash2Parties Crash2Parties

        We created this problem originally by taking tons of ore and filtering out by various means the tiny quantities of radioactive elements. And we concentrated them until they were still somewhat short of sustaining a reaction. Then we learned how to make even more potent and dangerous radioisotopes, and concentrated them, too.

        Why do all nuclear waste "solutions" assume we have to keep the stuff in such a dangerously concentrated (ie non-diluted in another solid) form? Is it just because it's initially cheaper?

      • Radio Radio

        WNTF, thank you for your response about Conca. Good catch. He IS setting up false dilemmas hoping to force people to the single choice he desires. Of course, you nailed it, he is doing this maneuver because he utterly lacks in imagination and clear thinking all the while believing himself to be one of the level headed people keeping things in perspective. And, this is why we shake our heads and weep.

    • Radio Radio

      rogerthat, i'm still confused by comments such as Conca's about WIPPS. I keep hearing officials talk about WIPPS as though it is a long term high level nuclear waste storage facility. Just when was that approved? When i go to wikipedia, it says it was approved for very low level waste, but, at the town hall, the DOE fellow said it was all high level TRU waste for long term storage. Yucca was tossed as the place to create the repository, and clearly people have decided, with or without public knowledge, that WIPPS has been chosen to do tat function. So, they scrambling on this is to not lose that chance to use WIPPS in this fashion. But, still, when did that decision get made? Do you or anyone know? Using the salt mine, which is far more geologically and structurally unstable than Yucca Mt any day, could probably we taken to court in a heart beat as unsafe at any speed. As far as I know, the US has NO high level waste nuclear repositories and suddenly we have one with a collapsing roof.

      • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

        Right you are, Radio. About 5% of the waste at the WIPP Facility is RH TRU waste, so highly radioactive that they must use robotic equipment to move the containers around.
        Planning for DOE Transuranic Waste Shipments – State of Nevada
        http://www.state.nv.us/nucwaste/yucca/wippfact.htm
        "About 5 percent of the total TRU waste shipped to WIPP will be RH TRU. Unlike the TRUPACT-II, the shipping containers for RH TRU waste will require heavy …"

        If y'all hadn't noticed, the atomic industry uses the same strategy at the WIPP "Pilot Project" that the Japanese have used for their "Whale Research". The nuke criminals used their WIPP pilot project to dump everything they could ship there, whatever it might be, and however dangerous it might be. The Japanese criminals used their whale research to slaughter hundreds of whales a year for meat, in the name of science.
        Both of these practices should now be outlawed. Both are criminal by any decent standards of acceptable human behavior. No nukes! No whaling! 🙂

        • Radio Radio

          Philip, so that little 5% should be in the wikipedia site and i did not find it. I thought it said low level medical and laboratory waste only. That WAS the law. Somehow it got amended because of the Los Alamos fires. I don't think most of the folks understood that. Thx for the info.

          • DOE kept pushing to open it up to more and more, plus they relabeled high level waste and called it TRU waste.

            How can they be accused of lying if it is labeled TRU?

            They expanded it from gloves and shoes to stuff that is hotter than spent fuel fresh from a reactor.

            They also 'relaxed' rules so stuff that was supposed to be vented, was not checked, illegal stuff went in there, like cesium, strontium, etc.

            Pretty much anything goes at WIPP at this point.

      • idarusskie

        That choice for WIPP was made at least as far back as 1985. TRU waste levels , which are higher then 100 nonocuries per gram of waste has always been the mission of WIPP. No one has pulled a fast one on you. no high level waste is stored there.

  • FixItStupid FixItStupid

    Way late To the Point it should've been into three years ago what you can bet there's got to be a huge money grab coming all of a sudden now just going to be they need money they wanted it to get bad so they can point to it and say oh my gosh geewhiz all fits into their plan there's going to be a huge money play unprecedented stupidity on every level or maybe all by design what a tragedy shut them all down you've created so many sacrifice zones now anyone living near nuclear power plant is guaranteed cancer not to mention all the spills accidents test and it's always accumulating so why do anymore crazy this thing should've been treated entombment do all you can to prevent it from getting in the ocean and they sat on their hands waiting for big handouts all of a sudden it'll be a world problem world pockets Will open up they've put us all on the hook for this damn nuclear one way or the other I so enjoyed the plutonium lottery damn fools Greed Money Bankers Lawyers Government =Joke on Us ! You SEE the money owns us we are the slaves to the money & There going to cash in the whole bunch that's how they Will make the money good again dialita population only this time it'll be them too slowly but surely one of these 40-year-old reactors is going to cough up soon know that's why TEPPCO sold all the stock just a few months earlier the computer told them risk management the bankers run the same algorithm it's all a big play sorry to say the best you can do is Be…

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      FixItStupid: Take a deep breath. Just breathe. Relax. It's going to be all right. 😉
      We still have some time to act.

      Hey, about the money.
      I, for one, don't care how much it costs.
      I don't care where the money comes from.
      I don't care who gets all that money. 🙂

      What I care about is diverting the groundwater into the sea before it encounters nuclear debris.
      What I care about is cleaning up the contaminated water before it is dumped into the sea.
      What I care about is stopping burning nuclear corium from depositing black soot all over Japan and Planet Earth.

      Yes,
      TEP.gov is stupid.
      TEP.gov is evil.
      I get it.

      But, where Fukushima is concerned, TEP.gov can be replaced.
      All these people over there are dying now.
      All of them are sick.
      Their own government has condemed every one of them to death.
      What more can we expect from the Japanese?

      But:
      We, the human race, need to develop a good plan for Fukushima.
      (ENEnewsers are helping, right now, to bring this plan to life. 🙂 )
      We, the human race, need to send into Japan international teams to do the work.
      Army Corps of Engineers, etc.
      We, the human race, better get our collective asses in gear.
      Time is short.
      Tipping point!
      Tip it! 😉

  • FixItStupid FixItStupid

    The best you can do is to…. Be Informed

  • norbu norbu

    Entomb? Why? Why not clean up your dam mess yourself instead of leaving it for future generation's, [if there are future generation's]. You cant entomb something if you don't know where it is. Water, contaminated, drink it you Tepco selfish bastards. Not one for rants, all of this makes me feel sad for the world, what tomorrow bring's……who knows….
    N

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Norbu said, "Clean up your damn mess"?
      To where, pray tell, will you clean it up "to"?
      Where are you going to put it?
      Where it is, in Fukushima, is already thoroughly contaminated.
      Why not isolate the contaminates from the ecosystem, and entomb them where they lie?
      Use concrete.
      Use lots of concrete.
      FDNPP needs its own concrete plant, right now! 🙂

      I don't know, folks, but this makes perfect sense to an old ecologist like me.
      Leave it where it is.
      Isolate it from the environment.
      Go away and don't ever do such a foolish thing as atomic energy again! 😉

      (But, hey, I went to a Forestry School that sat right next to the campus experimental nuclear reactor.
      And forestry people, let me tell you (for the most part), were definitely NOT environmentalists.)

      • norbu norbu

        PhilipUpNorth, maybe at tepco headquarters. Stop Nuclear Power NOW!
        N

      • Radio Radio

        So, it is being argued, PhilipUpNorth, tat concrete will be too heavy and sink the site. Now, I know that much of the soil there is permeable, but, i thought there was bedrock beneath it all. I need to look tat up, because it does make all the difference in what can be tried. I'm liking the resin vitrification of existing core melt tubes and adding more idea. But i think DOE has been put in charge and has plans to pour concrete without specifying what to do beneath the cores. They may be operating on the assumption that the water is not coming into contact with the cores and is simply leaking out of the tanks. 99% of the scientists and engineers are making that claim.

        Also, i can't remember who said it yesterday, darn it, but their post suggested that TEPCo is now just a name essentially being used as shield and an all is well ruse. Who is actually on the ground may be entirely different. I'm also recalling that TEPCo farmed out nearly all the work to three different companies that do not interact or coordinate with one another seeing each other as competitors. Just an aside that may factor into how entombment is approached.

    • mrutopian mrutopian

      Entomb the entire Pacific Ocean. Fill it up with concrete, so the overpopulaters will have a place to live.

  • wildandfree wildandfree

    Reminds me of Microsoft, put it out there, we'll fix it later. Yea right, there is no fix and covering it will not accomplish anything except that the site and all the work will make some feel better while their pain increases with illnesses that have yet to be identified. Simply put, they forgot this chapter, what happens when we don't know what to do and we fail to act; wasting time when we could have some portion of the success we desperately need. There are technologies in the works but scaling them up to the task will take more time than we as a planet have at this moment. As we understand the situation (globally speaking) the rush will first; to make money from this, then when the continued contamination is not reduced by these profiteering efforts, panic will through caution to the wind and everyone will have an idea but organizational response will be overcome by events. In this case, the old motto; "Failure to Plan on YOUR part does not make in an EMERGENCY on MY part", will no longer be appropriate. This Emergency is now everyone's responsibility. Tough to visualize the successful ending at this moment. Please tell me I'm wrong.

    • Shaker1

      I believe you're correct, wildandfree. I hate to say it, but I just see this statement of 'entombment' as an honest assessment of what likely will be done once all the input of what is considered 'reasonable' minds is considered. I didn't access the teleconference, but I hope that it's not an advertisement of technology that isn't more complicated than nitroglycerin suspended in clay contained within a tube. While I believe there will be no recovery of an appreciable amount of corium in our lifetimes. (Well, what's left of my lifetime anyways, which might not be too long, but even so…) what we can do is keep pushing for as much remediation as they'll possibly stand before it's deemed best to silence us in some manner or another. If there are fuel assemblies still in existence in SFPs we need to keep pushing to have them removed and under some manner of control before the buildings fall on their own or they do it purposely to put an end to the question. Don't add more fuel to the mess. I would say, also, that I'd like to see water control efforts continued, but I sincerely believe that has been abandoned long ago, the talk of such from those with money is just talk and we're basically watching an engineering cartoon and an exposition of how poor the technology really is at this point. I see little seriousness in the robots. What's needed is exponentially larger and it's doubtful the same design approach will stand the scale.

      Keep pushing and screaming…

      • Radio Radio

        Shaker1, i am assuming here, but, i think the entombment would include concrete all the way down wherever they can get it. Maybe that stupid ice wall, though i see that being abandoned for steel and concrete before long. In fact, i can see the entire hill being removed as a major earthworks to reroute the water, using the soil to make a berm around the entire perimeter – a bad idea, but, they WILL continue to choose bad ideas over good ones much of the time. Maybe they will go with Arnie's trench idea, if not under, then around, to reroute water and force groundwater through boron and maybe a filter before it hits the ocean. Then remediation is the constant clean up of everything that gets loose from this system. I do think that both the US and Japanese governments and nuclear industries are playing let's pretend hoping to prevent a black idea for the business and the technology and see a certain amount of death and destruction as worth it to save the technology. They have plans, big plans. But, it will be entombed. Once that decision is finally made and they start acting sanely? They'll keep pulling fuel rods from #4, the ones they can. Drain and cover #3. Dry cask the common pool. Reroute water and lay pipes and open lines running beneath to pump in some new fandangled amalgam they cooked up to showcase their abilities as nuclear remediators, pour the concrete, and rename the place Hidden Shores Nuclear Pilot Program.

        • Shaker1

          Radio, I did say that I thought 'entombment' was what will ultimately happen, though I have to say that I don't want to see 'entombment' on the order of what I believe they'll ultimately do. I guess some envision, as you do, that 'entombment' is some manner of a container, but it's simply burial. Dig a hole, throw something in and cover it and it's 'entombed' by dictionary definition. I think that Anne is correct, that the geology won't support such a structure as most might imagine, there'll be no bottom at any rate, and the best that can be hoped for is water diversion of what flows there. There's the tide to consider, also. Any groundwater will be replaced by the tides.

          Let me say, too, that I think the impediment to any major structure is effort. I haven't looked at pictures lately, but they still haven't cleaned up the tsunami debris. Equipment should be crawling over that site like ants. As exposition of that lack of effort, I would point to all those structures that aren't necessary at the shoreline. It's the best logistical route for materials, would give them room to work, but it isn't done. There will be no concrete dome or such in my lifetime, guaranteed. 'Entombment' will be on the order of (I gasp as I type this) underground nukes to attempt to create a cavern in which to collapse everything, pushing all the other debris into the hole, and sprinkling some dirt over the top. When has any real 'disposal' been any different, from Hanford…

          • Radio Radio

            Shaker1, you are probably right. Though, i can feel that brightminded inventor is out there, but, he or she is not getting noticed. Dang it 😉 I agree – water diversion is what they will do, and for me, the sooner they accept the insane notion of entombment of any kind over totally insane notion of decommissioning, the course they are on now, then the sooner they will finally divert the water. I'm actually feeling a little hopeful by this article because it might mean that some in DOE will be pushing for this instead of supporting the route of total denial. The sooner that water is diverted, the sooner less of it is flowing over the coriums or being collected in leaky tanks to spill out later. Interesting thoughts you have on the surrounding area, the lack of debris clean up. I remember the nuke bomb idea. Gasp is right. But, hey, what could go wrong, right? Actually, i think they have the bomb thing down pretty good. So someone might know what they are doing. My question to you would be, on the off chance that you know the answer, would an underground detonation glassify the crater wall? That could be a real plus. Buy more time for that pile to be stored and act somewhat as a barrier.

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

    It's a total world wide nuclear sacrifice zone. When will they stop minimizing the danger from nuclear energy? When will they realize that nuclear energy is causing more and larger earthquakes and the radioactive heat is melting all the ice on the planet. Once all the ice is gone there will be spikes in the temperature that will immediately kill off all life on the entire planet.

    Alvarez hasn't been a government official for a long time. All the present government officials don't even recognize that Fukushima is a national sacrifice zone.

    Man-made radioactive decay lasts millions of years. There is no way to stop the heating of the planet once these man-made radioactive isotopes and the man-made transuranic radioactive elements are created.

    Stop making a bigger and bigger mess. Stop uranium and thorium mining immediately and decommission all nuclear reactors. Our children deserve much better.

    • Radio Radio

      V V, until the misconceptions of safe low level radiation and the myths of dilution via dispersement become front and center and not ignored science, these folks believe that it would be irrational and economically counter-productive to take such extreme safety measures. The whole love affair with the atom and the concept of atoms for peace was deeply ingrained within governments and societies. Keeping in mind that this technology came on the heels of a war that literally murdered millions of millions of millions, using nuclear energy for "peaceful purposes" helps make all that horror fade. For them, nuclear energy to run the lights is the good that came out of the nightmare of world wide war. It helped make rebuilding industry possible, in their minds, not realizing that any number of technologies could have done the same job and far better and more cheaply and with less environmental impact…and, of course, as you are saying, the promise of mutation and death for generations to come that nuclear energy WILL bring. And, has already brought to many.

      How do we start an educational campaign that addresses bot this psychology and the ignored science? I've no doubt that it can be done if people have the will. I think that as long as we only fight the fronts of "big disasters" which, since they occur invisibly for many years at first, we will sound like raving idiots to these people. They sound like ignoramouses to us. We are, none of us, communicating with the…

      • Radio Radio

        con't V V …the other side with this because we are trying to prove something they can't even imagine and only we can, while they continue to become defensive and only communicate safety schemes and risk predictions, rejecting direness out of hand.

        I say we create a team to do this.

        Btw, that's not ignore a mouse. Spelling was never my strong suit, relying as i do on software 😉

    • +1

      >>> "Our children deserve much better."

      "It's a total world wide nuclear sacrifice zone."
      – VanneV

  • rogerthat

    From Reuters:
    Anadarko in $5.15 billion pollution settlement

    … Anadarko Petroleum will pay $5.15 billion to end years of litigation over cancer and other health problems across the US caused by pollution from uranium deposits, wood creosote and rocket fuel processing.
    The agreement resolves a long-running lawsuit against the Kerr-McGee energy and chemical company, which Anadarko bought in 2006. The case was brought by a trust representing the U.S. government, 11 state governments, Indian tribes and individuals.
    The trust was seeking cleanup costs at more than 2,000 sites nationwide. It was also seeking payment for claims from more than 8,000 people who said their exposure to Kerr-McGee's wood treatment plants in Avoca, Pennsylvania and Manville, New Jersey caused cancer, which in some cases led to death … Anadarko's share price (rose) 14.5 percent to $99.02 … A Department of Justice source … said "Anadarko was not found to have done anything wrong." … The Navajo Nation will get about $1 billion to address radioactive contamination from Kerr-McGee's decades-old uranium mining operation.

  • Sol Man

    All hail technology!
    Native Americans, while they were experiencing genocide, because of westward expansion, knew about the nature of the white men that were taking over the once free hunting grounds.

    That they always lied, (every single time!), and once they had possession of more land they destroyed it, even things needed to live; clean water and wild game.

    Here we have the failed technology, foisted upon the world, that is literally killing everything, and the money worshipers want to build more of it! They worship money (FRN's!) not life or the future.

  • skizexq skizexq

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LztHWpFpT4g
    ..Uranium – Is It A Country? [-corporations are!] Documentary Tracking The Origins Of Nuclear Energy .

  • skizexq skizexq

    chk it out, good docu

  • skizexq skizexq

    astounding the ignorance out there

  • skizexq skizexq

    is radiation always high in Billings MT?
    644 CPM
    NETC.COM © 2014
    Station ID 5:811 Billings, MT, US
    Click here for data charts
    CPM: current 644 Low 435 High 800

    in Surrey Canada near where I live the ocunt is usually in the teens to 20's a mile from the sound.
    ??

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

      yes. Billings, Montana is downwind from Fukushima, Hanford, and Idaho National Lab where they do nuclear experimentation and are producing a plutonium isotope that takes eight years to produce. And then there are all the uranium mines they are downwind from.

  • skizexq skizexq

    count
    oopsie-daisy!

  • Radio Radio

    I try to get some enenews articles and others on my fb page each day, This is my appeal on fb and i'm sharing it here.

    – This is a former senior energy department official, that'd be DOE, addressing entombment at Fukushima. It is, of course, and has been all along, the only option, but the US and Japanese governments and nuclear industries have so far refused to face that. "No technologies currently exist to remove the severely radioactive melted cores. We can’t rule out the possibility of permanent entombment of the reactors there. In other words you cannot rule out the possibility that this is going to become a nuclear national sacrifice zone where only triage can be done to reduce the contamination."

    The news and testing and increased radioactively and problems and technical failures at Fukushima are mounting up and only getting worse with each passing day. We are letting the parent's drive drunk with the kids in the car. Please, if you haven't, write Pres. Obama and ask him to reconsider his stance on Fukushima and help Japan entomb the plant. If not for the children's children, then for this generation of Japanese and US West Coasters.

    There are any number of links online that can inform you about entombment and why it is always the only option when cores have breached. No nuclear reactor….

    • Radio Radio

      con't…reactor with a melted core that has left its containment was not entombed. Most countries, understanding this, decided to put people over profits, and entombed as quickly as possible. Our administration and the Japanese administration made a different choice for whatever motivations they harbor. It's time to let them know they are forfeiting their right to lead if they are unable to accept the known limits of available technologies that can be deployed in urgent, life threatening situations. Both Pres. Obama and PM Abe's choices are based in wishful thinking and not in fact. Please act. Thank you.

      • Angela_R

        Radio, but if the core has already left the building….
        well, maybe not all buildings

        • Radio Radio

          Angela R, yeah, that's the question. They are probably at various levels, half in the containers, some dripped out and still more burned through all containments. I do think we have the technology to laser bore or frack in any direction we want for miles. We use it to destroy the Earth, why not employ it to do some good for a change? And china, sadly, is building the largest damn the world has ever seen. If they can do that, then someone can divert groundwater from a hill, even if they have to remove the jill, which they might. They've already killed off the wildlife and cut down all the trees to make room for tanks of water. We do it to build tunnels and extract stuff, which are big motivations. So far, there is little motivation to do much at Fukushima but pretend decommissioning is viable. It is all fraught with problems. Shaker1 just reminded me about the nuke option – blowing a hole to gather the debris. It would be done beneath the water table is my guess. These are the technologies humans do know how to use to exploit the environment. We are very practiced with them – from bombs to bulldozers. VanneV points out that the entombment earthworks would be too heavy on that site, and Shaker1 thinks they will blow a hole and just cover it all up with dirt from the hill.

          • Angela_R

            Radio, I am thankful that my children are adults. They are quite adamant that they do not wish to hear, their lives they believe have enough stresses. Recently, in a telephone conversation I thought my daughter remarked that she had a nodule on her thyroid; I did not mention nuclear.
            I can only pray….
            today's prayer requests 'thy kingdom come"

            Nuclear tests were rampant when they were small; I feel very sorry for any who have dependents at the present time.

            • Radio Radio

              My heart goes out to you, Angela R and any who have children at any age. I'll do a little reiki for your daughter, an energy healing meditation. If not to help the nodule, then to help her find what she needs to deal with it.

              • Angela_R

                Radio, I can hear your heartfelt concerns, and I know they are there for everyone. Thank you, but my personal concerns are minor; also I have a 'place of peace' I go to

                How do we heal the crippled, disfigured children of Chernobyl, the children of Iraq, those of Kosovo…what salve do we give to their parents?
                The people of the world are suffering.

                Yes, I do see the quiet energy used in reiki, I have it in meditation; I have used it at times to combat viruses. One must find the 'place of peace' first though, before these energies can be used and one must visit often. More and more I am drawn there and tend to not wish to leave. Some call it 'the way of Buddha,' but I'm not Buddhist. Others simply call it 'the way'.
                I 'found' it; in it, mind and body are at one.

                In their 'roots' the Japanese people will find it.

          • Shaker1

            "Shaker1 thinks they will blow a hole and just cover it all up with dirt from the hill."

            Radio, I hope you understand that while that might be a true representation of what I do think will happen, it's hardly what I'd like to happen.

            My thoughts in that regard are only a matter of predictability, like an alcoholic friend I once enountered in the store who told me he was trying to decide whether to buy beer tonight or eat as he only had money for one or the other. At checkout, it was the beer.

            • Radio Radio

              Shaker1, i should have clarified your quote better. I was hoping the "thinks they will" would suffice, but, when the written word is all that we are using, anything ambiguous can get misinterpreted. I recently dissed Chas Aha, a really nice blogger, b/c i mistook his repost of a quote from me. I still feel badly.

              Absolutely, i take your quote as saying that the PTB will do the minimum, because that is what they do, and expecting them to suddenly change would be silly of us – digging a hole and tossing everything in it, then covering it up, i do believe, is their top option. You called it right. And, that would be a real shame.

              I appreciate that you are blogging on this particular subject and have offered very good advice on what to do other than what the PTB may decide. In fact, i think that enenews had a big hand in getting SFP 4 addressed more urgently, so i'm hoping we will all blog some good ideas together and that whoever is reading from the corner will take these back to the crew.

  • Nick

    The US government and it's fabulous team of civilian contractors are ready to lend a hand to cover-up the wrecked nuclear electrical generating complex near Fukushima, Japan.

    Oh, wait, they are already doing that. Covering it up.

    Now entombment is another thing altogether. The initial tent structure over Unit #1 worked exceptionally well to obfuscate the shattered structure and the nylon vent panels served to vent radiation 24/7 without a hitch.

    Can we really tame this beast? You Betchel!

    • Shaker1

      Just what we need…Bechtel.

      "Give a man a mind, and high on the list of desires of imagination is a phallic instrument with which to f..K themselves."

      Yeah, Bechtel is such an instrument, THE management firm of powerful interests for decades. Just start laying billion dollar bills end-to-end leading to Fukushima, and I guarantee you'll be too sore to walk by the time they get 10 miles, while their gratification isn't returned by your satisfaction.

      • Radio Radio

        Hmm…i'd say the reactors are phallic symbols. I wasn't sure if that design was on purpose or not. Now, it is Helen Caldicott calling on Japan telling them to let Bectel get in there. I think her point is that they have the expertise. They are not my cup of tea and normally i'd be protesting any number of their involvements, but they know how to organize when they put their minds to it and they know their way around a shovel. They also have lots of toys and tools and earthworking equipment. They are also sneaky if allowed to go unchecked, so there would need to be lots and lots of oversight. But, even at their worst, they might useful skills and some good ideas. They owe the world and the Earth big time.

  • tsfw tsfw

    From the air they can determine who has a grow op in their basement, but they can't find the corium? I refuse to accept this until someone gives me a reason not to.

    It's too hot to get near …no shit! Isn't that what technology is for?

    • melting mermaid melting mermaid

      Right, they don't have the technology to find probably the hottest thing on the planet, besides our molten core. Really, how stupid do they think we are?

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    "To this day we don’t know where the corium went, because no one can get close to it — and I think that’s the issue."
    Agreed. This is the issue:
    Where is the damn corium, TEPCO?

    So three issues, really:
    1. Underground Wall to enclose reactors 1-4, and keep groundwater away.
    2. Filtration and "disposal" of cooling water.
    3. Entombment of the Reactor Ruins.

    After three years, how much progress has been made on these three issues?
    1. Work on the underground wall was suspended, after running it in front of Reactors1&2.
    2. The ALPS Filtratration System, which can process only about 2/3 of the contaminated cooling water daily, breaks down over and over.
    3. There are still no plans to build a sarcophagus.

    TEPCO is playing in the back yard, making mudpies.
    TEPCO is playing in the sandbox, scattering sand all over the yard.
    "Here is some radiation for the sky."
    "Here is some radiation for the ocean."
    "Here is some radiation for all lifeforms on Planet Earth."
    TEPCO has soiled its clothes, and needs its face washed before supper.
    Run along, then TEPCO.
    It is time for you to go. 😉

    • bo bo

      PUN – I agree with that TEPCO needs to go.
      But who can take over ?
      Has anybody offered ?
      Bechtel ? ( see Nick and Shaker's posts above)
      Do you have anybody in mind ?

      • tsfw tsfw

        It always comes back to this question doesn't it? Why isn't the whole world pitching in?

        They would if they could but they can't so they won't?

        • tsfw tsfw

          I'm not a nuclear engineer, I know that doesn't come as a shock to anyone here haha. But that's the first big red flag that told me this was dire- it's not like the States and Canada to not want to provide relief, even if only for public image. Americans spend more on aid and relief than any other nation. They walked away from Fuku 3 years ago. It's been damage control up to now and even that hasn't worked out well. Maybe entombment is all we have for now? I realize the Pacific is going to continue to die but will entombment put an end to all air releases from those reactors?

        • Radio Radio

          tsfw,me thinks its due to the unacknowledged gentlemen's agreement with the US and the world not to interfere in US/Japanese affairs. Now, Japan is truly a closed society in many ways, but, that is just one element. The US has been there since the beginning. No one else has been allowed in, save for a small contingent of retired nuclear experts formed at the UN and it took them 2 years to get US/Japanese permission to be allowed in. But, advisory only. Still… Alone, Japan would have had to give into international pressure by now. One very strong reason for the US is China. The current US strategy is to arm Japan with missiles, probably with nukes against China as soon as we can get away with it, but, PM Abe needs to make some constitutional changes first, and that is taking him longer than anticipated. He's met some resistance in the Diet and in the public. So, he went with the state secrets law, very similar to the US one, in fact, probably the same draft. Fukushima interrupted those well laid, internationally illegal plans. Which is good. But, it also delays, imho, the official acknowledgement of the lack of options at Fukushima. Abe and Obama want those nukes aimed at China before that pronouncement is made, b/c, again imho, once made, the Japanese people and public will never agree to the constitutional changes allowing them to possess offensive weapons, a major military restriction placed upon them after WWII.

          • tsfw tsfw

            If Japan shoots nucs off at China, China will do the same to Japan and we can stick a fork in all of us, we'll be done.

            • Radio Radio

              tsfw, i think the foreign policy planners are hoping for an intimidation factor and not an all out war. It's to get control of the shipping lanes and the Straight of Malacca to control the flow of oil to China, try to slow it down, buy ours, not Russia's. Sorry Vlad 😉

      • Didn't they shut ALPS down for good, no more filtration at all?

    • Shaker1

      Might 'Tepco' simply be the general name that's given to the vortex at the drain into which the promise of the nation of Japan and its society have become entrapped?

  • many moons

    Sweep it under the carpet and pretend it's all taken care of, that been the only option since FUKU blew…and that's the only option for all the rest that haven't blown yet.

  • cosmic charlie cosmic charlie

    And all this from just one facility. There are 100's of them around the globe. All with unmanageable waste, thousands of tons of it at each. With the leaks at the WIPP site and Hanford, it would seem we are entering an era where the waste is going to be a major problem. Hanford's waste leaked for a year before they even began to address it. You wondering if that cluster of birth defects in the Yakima valley was the result?

    Nuclear waste is the number 1 environmental problem and should be the world's top priority. Instead, the UN, WHO, EPA, IAEA all are conspiring with government to cover it it up.

    • Radio Radio

      c c, i've been wondering about that, too. The infrastructure is collapsing and entire regions will be exposed. i think this is maybe one of the reasons for rushing the salt mine as a repository and letting the company managing Hanford off the hook. If governments can find anyone willing to make a buck off of halfway mitigating the upcoming leaking, then they are happy. I think Merkel, who was pro nuke, realized Germany would be a total waste zone if a single large nuclear accident happened. I don't mean the slow, over time attrition of the general population that your list of agencies have come to accept as the price for electricity, but, immediate illness and death. A few other nations are following suit. But not many. I'm thinking the plants will increase their leaking as well as their onsite storage degrading.

      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

        you've been on a roll, Radio! I do enjoy your positive attitude. Something to keep is mind during the discussion of water diversion, is the effect it'll have on the renegade cores. Once the water levels are reduced with the diversion, the temperatures of the coreums will escalate and result in further migration into the surrounding geological medium. It's about thermodynamics. Right now, their 'suspended' within a mass of surrounding medium, which prevents further downward movement. Some might suggest their being allowed freedom to move lower into the Earth's mantle. That presupposes they'll not encounter additional underlying layers of freely moving water. In addition, there's the issue of lateral movement of the renegade cores. It's likely that a combination of geological conditions and gravitation pull will force these renegades towards the ocean, further trapping them within porous geological formations.

        Some have suggested that a combined barriers and natural cooling system be installed. The barriers would divert water around the plants while preventing additional back-feeding of ocean water into the cordoned area. The natural cooling system would be designed to passively cycle water that's coming into contact within the cordoned area, for use as coolant.

        Until the barriers are in place, no attempt should be made to remove the naturally occurring process that's now keeping those renegades cool…

        • Radio Radio

          I'm probably having a manic moment :-0 But, there are so few opportunities to shift the direction Fukushima is being approached and i do get jazzed when folks here start coming up with what i think are absolutely stunning right on possible solutions.

          YOur point about the heat is a great example. So, here we are all really approaching this as though we matter because we DO matter. Someone is reading our posts and some of these ideas sometimes show up out in the world.

          So, could they vitrify beneath, a lining of sorts to hold water,then cover, recirculate, filter, pump back in using a more natural process like a moat or something? The quarantine idea, but, natural remediation of mushrooms along the banks, bacteria, anything to start some remediation? How do see quarantining a lagoon?

          I say we get these worked up and sent off to one of those science ezines in an article – just to get them out there and a little competition to the dump the concrete on top idea that now not only has the weight problem VAnneV brought up, but, this heat problem you're talking about.

          • Uranium_Mountain Uranium_Mountain

            Man is capable of digging places like:

            The Mirny Eastern Siberia Mine: http://rxmacduff.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/the-2nd-biggest-hole-in-the-world-mir-mine-mirny-eastern-siberia-russia/comment-page-1/

            The Bingham Canyon

            The Diavik Diamond Mine

            But for some reason man can't design remote controlled equipment to dig these reactors including the corium out of the earth and ground table waters? Keep down dust when the buildings are blown into small pieces and use massive digging equipment in this magnitude: http://www.swapmeetdave.com/Humor/Workshop/Trencher.htm

            Trench around the site to reduce ground water, make a huge and very thick slab of concrete on the ground surface to prevent reentry into the ground for a little while, move as much of the material as possible to that slab site never to be inhabited again, and when done, bury it all in concrete. I would be concerned about the ground liquefaction of the hill during another earthquake. This idea probably does completely suck but entombing the material in the ground where it currently is to continue to leach into the ocean for thousands of years is a really a non action. It has to be moved above ground and away from the sea. We all know underground walls won't stop the water or nuking the site which is going to cause massive fracturing and the ground water will just fill that void also then continue pouring into the sea once more. We really are good at harming the Earth.

      • Actually, she was FORCED to change her mind to stay in power. The Greens won a huge majority and demanded change, so she had to give it to them.

        The same thing would have happened in the US if the media were not censored and third parties were not hogtied, and strangled at every turn.

        • Radio Radio

          DG, that's true, too. I think we are both right. I do tend to see people who become leaders as still having some connection to their populations. I also think that the nuclear industry could have held on for longer in Germany against the tide as long as she continued to protect and support them. Had Germany not had it's decades of successful green revolution and anti-nuking campaigning, she would neither have had the courage nor the political ability to start shutting down the nukes. Had Fukushima not scared the crap out of her and rattled her denial, she would have found a way to forestall the changes, capitulate to the Greens, but, still wrest a win for the industry. She rode the tide and made the right choice for many reasons, not all of them flattering ones. What I am trying to say is that i do believe Fukushima forced her hand and more conservative exposes do sometimes attribute her decision to the small size of Germany being vulnerable. She had both the political pressure against her and the excuse to act, even if part of that act was expedient self promotion. The trade off for te Greens, is, of course, the big rise in fossil fuel imports and use during the transition. Everyone was willing for their own reasons to make this tremendous shift. And agreed, without the Greens, it would not have been able to come about.

    • Angela_R

      cosmic charlie "and all this from just one facility. There are 100's of them around the globe. All with unmanageable waste"
      and they're building more!

      and we're told 'food irradiation' is fine. Radioactive Cobalt 60 is used in most processing plants. It is claimed that it doesn't touch the food. But the 'invisible' rays?

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Absolutely true and correct! 🙂

  • Nick

    How does entombment square with decommissioning?

    The 40 year plan becomes the eon plan?

    Meanwhile, the Pacific dies, if it isn't already dying as we speak.

    We can drum up all sorts of "plans" for these failed reactor cores and spent fuel pools. We can run countless computer models to see how groundwater mixes with TEPCO effluent, etc But the reality is , there IS no solution except ostriching.

    Dirty bomb on steroids = the current FUBAR fiasco on the shores of Eastern Japan.

    Perhaps the largest biological experiment ever unleashed by the puny minds of humans.

  • cooterboy

    The primary thing is to get the water that is flowing down the valley to go around the NPP's. You do that with steel sheet piling, driven down to bed rock.

    Take the center of the site and draw a half circle, inland and start driving pilings. The water flowing towards the ocean will hit this sheet piling wall and flow around it, instead of flowing THROUGH the wasteland. This would channel the flow of new/fresh water around the site and then flow into the ocean.

    Black iron pipe would be welded to both sides of the sheet's as portages to pump concrete, clay, boron, what ever, to mitigate water leakage or monitor. These pipes will have holes drilled in them and an internal sleeve, so positioned to be rotated to allow concrete or whatever you are pumping to be injected from top to bottom, on either side of the piling wall.

    Same goes for the sea side of the site. TEPCO already has a start with their piling project. Problem is they didn't drive the pilings down to bed rock and didn't concrete the voids.

    • name999 name999

      If some of the folks on this site had any power whatsoever over this tragedy, I would have some
      hope. The people running this show are trapped by their lies and denial, their frivolous worries about
      $ and lawsuits rather than humanity and our natural world. A change of heart from those ruling Japan and other wealthy nations could be the tipping point…can that happen?

      • Radio Radio

        It can always happen. Many people and even entire nations are creating that alternative. They rarely make the news. I personally think that enenews has had a tremendous influence over what productive steps have been taken. Otherwise, the systems in place would have slid right back down into the rut far faster than there are. Many here are simply not old enough to have been around when there were NO environmental concerns at all because NO ONE knew or cared, rivers caught on fire, wars killed millions of millions of millions and not thousand of millions, people of color could only serve food, clean houses and dig ditches, wives were not legally able to say no to their husbands, doctors promoted sugar and cigarettes, and countries irradiated their populations and the world routinely with above ground nuclear testing. That's the short list. Sad as it is, we have made some progress 😉 We must not give up hope. If we can't change the system, then we create small little harbors of sanity for ourselves and other life, be that a window box to feed the dying bees or a lovely place to sit and appreciate something beautiful, or learn energy healing and use it to heal strangers and animals and rivers, or any number of ways to resist or bring compassion for as long as we take breath. We can create our own purpose, if not change all of the world. Enenews and enewsers are a force for good. name999, you just might be in the right place at the right time i'm a thinkin 😉

  • ftlt

    To entomb FUFU effectively, you must start from the bottom.

    A nearly impossible task without extreme sacrifice and expense.

    Certainly, this could beome the most expensive task in the history of the world – if "safe" waste handling is factored in

    I doubt, they can "entomb" FUFU

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Pretty sure what you are seeing is all you will ever get…lots of people need to leave the planet. 🙁

    • ftlt

      Obes: The leaving the planet theme is one that often disturbs me on here – ***NOT accusing you here.

      The idea of going to space is part and parcel of the techno-industrial mindset that has gotten us to this point in the first place.

      I'm convinced, we would exhaust every resource on earth to get into space in a huge way – We are doing a good job of it with a relatively tiny space effort already.

      Live here and well – not overthere and better

      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

        not unlike Fukushima itself, ftlt, the longer we delay in what needs doing, the more impossible it becomes…

      • name999 name999

        ftlt, yes. Leave the planet and go where? Mars? The moon? Star Trek next generation…sounds like some hellish fantasy. The reality sets in when the pain and sickness take over, despair, no safe food or water.
        No captain Kirk to save the day…this is the real stuff.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        I was referring to the ongoing eugenics program my friend. 🙁 Not outer space…

  • 21stCentury 21stCentury

    ~~~Build a Bigger Breakwater Now Please~~~

    http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk209/DistantThunderbolt/Japan%20Reconstruction/Fshima7000circle1a_zpsf6b66b14.jpg

    It can become a glow-in-dark water feature gurgling fountain & roadside attraction :-p

    • 21stCentury 21stCentury

      I know exactly where the corium is.. some of it blew up sky high, and most of it went down and got tangled up in the basement, then burned thru the concrete in some areas then slowed down and stopped within a few hundred feet. I have many years of foundry casting experience. Yeah, the corium is more energetic than molten stainless, but it's behavior is not a mystery. For all logical engineering purposes, the corium is within 1000 feet under the reactors, this is all you need to know in order to solve the problem. Either the entire place needs to be dredged up and reprocessed [nearly impossible, involving megatons of contaminated materials], or we can build a bigger breakwater and impoundment wall system. A 7000' diameter impoundment will contain enough water to recirculate/reprocess/decontaminate/&cool the meltdown mess.

      All the movable fuelrods need to be hauled off from there because Fuku is a pisspoor replacement for WIPP.

      Most people don't realize that a lot of the uranium & actinides in the industry was recovered & mined using a water soluble wet process of concentration. Most of the radwaste at Fuku & WIPP can be re-mined using fracking tech, the same way UEC uses fracking & electro-activated water.

      UEC should be banned from mining, and they should be hired to clean up the screwed up radwaste dumps.

    • 21stCentury 21stCentury

      Better than an icewall, build an ice-basket; a 7000' diameter ice basket can be drilled using HDD-drills [frack-drills]. The drill-tech is accurate to 6-inches at 50,000-feet from the target, it can drill down 2000-feet then swoop upwards in an arc to the target 7000-feet away from the driller. The Flexsteel tubing then carries circulating -20F glycol/water coolant. This will stop 99.5% of the water flow out of Fshima.

      http://www.flexsteelpipe.com/applications

      goog: graphene radioactive
      goog: graphene desalination
      goog: graphene aerogel

      Fshima can be converted to a LNG import facility and become a profitable piece of industrial real estate again.

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        Injection drilling..?
        Tear on the perforated line?

        • 21stCentury 21stCentury

          Sorry to disappoint you, but do you think I'm that stupid? Are you asking me a direct question or are you asking me a leading question… I'm too old and been battling nuke stupidity since before JFK was executed by the CIA. I prefer people to take a little extra time soliciting my opinion before they try to waste what precious time I have left with mere mosquito bites.. please try again. I forgive you for not knowing me personally.

  • Nick

    We don't know where the awol cores are. If they have exited the basement, how far down are they? Steel pilings to bedrock won't stop the groundwater intrusion if the cores are IN the bedrock.

    On the Ocean side it seems only a huge fabric type balloon all the way to the sea floor would act as a breakwater. Then build a more permanent barrier seaside behind the fabric.

    Or just sink a tanker and filter the effluent from plant constantly.

    Face it, diddling is the norm, expect TEPCO to walk away.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    R E A L I T Y .. C H E C K

    Fukushima Daiichi reactor mess won't be entombed.

    Relocating to Southern Hemisphere is only solution.

  • mrutopian mrutopian

    Bottom line, tEPCO isn't qualified to deal with nuclear meltdowns. The reason Japan doesn't bring in experts is because they are too expensive, or they hate us and want to get revenge for ww2, or both, either way, not good!
    Obama should be impeached for failing to protect America from all enemies, foreign or domestic. He is spreading nukes worldwide, in Chile and Vietnam and Putin is also in Africa.
    I was a member of the Trojan decommissioning alliance, back in 1976. Union of concerned scientists and Helen Caldicot were with us also back then..
    We liberals, knew these fruitcakes were out of their minds!

  • name999 name999

    mrutopian, the misguided notion that Barack Obama can rush in and solve this is truly inane.
    No offence, but it is.
    Those who control nuclear weapons and energy are not elected officials. If you understand this
    you will get closer to the real perpetrators…but not too close, they are protected by walls of laws, the same walls that silence leaders.

  • rogerthat

    Well, we all know that Tepco has this magic fabric, better even than Teflon, that they have used very successfully to contain most of the fallout from Fukushima. Not all, but they're trying hard every day, and soon, soon they will finish stretching it over the bottom of the reactors, probably by paving over the top and building the olympic village and some football fields and schools and that sort of stuff.

    It's called a fabric of lies.

  • Then they add duct tape, baling wire and traffic cones where needed.

  • Mack Mack

    If you missed it, watch Robert Alvarez's excellent presentation at the Symposium on the Medical and Ecological Consequences of the Fukushima Nuclear Accident:

    http://www.totalwebcasting.com/view/?id=hcf

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  • demise demise

    They keep saying it will be here soon. They have been saying that for that last year. Well it's already here, but the corrupt officials are lying through their teeth. Just look at all the die offs off the West Coast and dead fish up around the Alaska coast and you'll see that hear "soon".

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