Former UN adviser: If No. 4 pool collapses I’ve been told “during 50 years continual, you cannot contain” (VIDEO)

Published: April 6th, 2012 at 6:25 pm ET


Statement by Akio Matsumura:

The crisis at the Fukushima-Daiichi power plants has not ended. While the first three reactors contained fuel and presented a serious threat since March 11, 2011, they have largely been contained. Reactor 4 contained no fuel when the earthquake hit. Instead, the spent fuel rods had been moved to a cooling pool on the second floor of the containment unit. […] If another high level earthquake hits the area, the building will certainly collapse. Japanese and American meteorologists have predicted that such a strong earthquake is indeed likely to hit this year.

The meltdown and unprecedented release of radiation that would ensue is the worst case scenario that then-Prime Minister Kan and other former officials have discussed in the past months. He warned during his speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos that such an accident would force the evacuation of the 35 million people in Tokyo, close half of Japan and compromise the nationโ€™s sovereignty. Such a humanitarian and environmental catastrophe is unimaginable. […]

Title: Fukushima Reactor 4
Uploaded by: christopherjamescote
Date Uploaded: Mar 8, 2012
Description: Akio Matsumura talks about nuclear power plants, spent fuel pools, and the trouble with Reactor 4 at Fukushima.

At 2:30 in

Matsumura: People said to me more than 50 years it might take to contain radiation. So during 50 years radiation continue on… During 50 years continual, you cannot contain.

About Akio Matsumura

Throughout his long career at the United Nations and other organizations he has brought together the unlikeliest of people: Arafat and Rabin, Chinese government officials and the Dalai Lama, and many more.


Published: April 6th, 2012 at 6:25 pm ET


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90 comments to Former UN adviser: If No. 4 pool collapses I’ve been told “during 50 years continual, you cannot contain” (VIDEO)

  • This will be in addition the the current on going rad releases
    The consequences of nuclear fallout we already know for sure,152.0.html

  • ruth

    Why are they, after a year of silence, now willing to talk about the risk? Why did they need this time? What did they do from then until now?

    • dka

      people are now more likely to accept the unacceptable. It is a political move. Also I guess that the opposition to the nuclear industry activites could have had time to organise and build strenght enough to emerge without fear of retaliation from the nuclear industrials.

    • StPaulScout StPaulScout

      Remember, way back at the beginning of this shit TEPCO, and by inference the Government of Japan, stated they would only release info when THEY thought people were ready for it and could handle it. Look it up in the archives of this site.

    • ruth,
      We were told, articles right here in March 2011, the worse case scenario a FP on fire !
      The last thing we would want to see happen !

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    One thing is for sure..thay can't hide it isn't like the BP oil disaster…at the bottom of the sea…
    This time it is on land…

  • dear jones

    YES they can.
    As it happen, the Japanese will dump everything into the sea by one direction bomb.

    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

      Bombing tons of nuclear material….I don't think that's a good idea…

      • Gotham

        If SP4 collapses "bombing" will be the only option to flood the scene. It would require an underground nuclear explosion be set off underneath the Fukushima nuclear plant site, creating like this a bowl shaped cavity into which the entire facility will sink and perhaps ocean water will flow and cover up the mess. Shuts down airborne vector – but then the sea is polluted.

        • Anthony Anthony

          Big ass tsunami at North America, no?

          • Gotham

            Unintended consequences could be many.

            Perhaps it triggers another mega quake in Japan.

            Perhaps it triggers a huge steam explosion.


        • Hogweed

          And what happens if the entire site hits prompt criticality as the fuel/water/etc mix descends into the crater?


    "…the first three reactors…have largely been contained." Well, if he means within the fractured crust of earth, then I guess you could say the three coreums are 'contained'. Talk about double-speak! Is there no end to the denial?! His statement deserves the 2012 Darwin award. Let's just hope we're still here in 2013, to give it to him…

    • richard richard

      i reckon number 3 looks the most contained ๐Ÿ™

      certainly, information about 1,2 and 3 (and 5 and 6, and daini) have been contained.

    • StillJill StillJill

      Thank you AFTERSHOCK,….I was about to throw-up in my shoe!
      "Basically contained",….. "a little pregnant",….sounds the same to me. ๐Ÿ™

  • Tuni Tuni

    Seems to me that all 4 spent fuel pools (well 3 probably left the arena) are at danger and sitting within "open air" containment's.

  • Jebus Jebus

    This past week we have had unprecedented revelations about this global disaster. If this happens, if that happens, subterfuge and vagaries about this or that.
    It's all fuku hogwash!
    IT already happened, a global catastrophe.
    The spent fuel in #4 already burned some.
    #1 and #2 melted through and melted out! Left the building!
    But, the one thing that they will not talk about is #3.
    We are being conditioned to believe that the worst did not happen yet!
    Put a little after disaster drama into it, everyone will forget about #3. Skew the facts, adjust the numbers, polish the letters and everyone will stand there and just blink.

    The fact is #3 blew sky high releasing MOX (PLUTONIUM) fuel into the environment. Into the jetstream!
    How much? This is the real story.

    For those who are falling for this recent drama scene, I refer you back to this thousand word video….

    Use your gift of sight and think with your brain while watching.

    • richard richard

      this is true. the official 'chatter' has started to increase in regularity and gravitude.

      for whatever reasons.

      • richard richard

        .. incrementally. no exact ground shaker yet.


        It's picked up (chatter) because there's no denying the reality of what's about to happen. They're beginning to understand that simple denial of reality doesn't do diddly-swat to change it! They're still thinking that this can be contained with media spin. I can picture these guys showing-up at the Fukushima catastrophe planning center with TV remotes in hand. It's why I said long-ago, they're suffering from the "Fuehrer's Bunker" mindset. And not unlike that 'thousand year' regime, they're about to experience the consequences of that same hubris…

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      This is said to be only 9% of the actual video of what happened at reactor #3.

    • Yes 3 is gone, both pool and reactor…

      but will 4 be the step over the edge…?

      are we already plummeting?

    • The Blue Light.

      As I pointed out in another thread several physicists and I worked out how much ceasium137 is contained in spent fuel at Fukushima. We took into account average burn up of the fuel and decay since the fuel was removed from the reactors and several other factors.
      The estimates for the amount of ceasium137 that has been released into the environment so far has been independently calculated to range from 10 to 60 kilograms. The spent fuel on site contains between 12500 to 16300 kilograms of ceasium137. A more accurate figure was impossible to calculate due to a lack of available data from TEPCO.
      When all the other radionuclides are taken into account then life in places like Hawaii could become impossible, even a short term exposure could be fatal. This could also be true for any fallout hot spots in north america.
      Countries like the United kingdom, Denmark, Germany, Norway and Sweden which are connected to Japan by the northern jet stream would also be gravely effected.
      Within a year, global background radiation levels would rise by as much as a factor of thirty.
      This would truly be a global disaster.

  • InfoPest InfoPest

    Ambassador Mitsuhei Murata has given us an opportunity to do something here. He has CREDIBILITY !! Let's use that to help spread his message. Send the link to his webpage to every newspaper and news website and TV news outlet you can find. Help give his message "legs", rather than whining about armageddon, get up and rage against the dying of the light.

    Here's the link, get working.


      agreed InfoPest. I'll pull your link up tomorrow and circulate it. Thanks for keeping a positive attitude…

    • Anthony Anthony

      Awesome – I agree – I read these two articles to my friend today and her eyes were wide as saucers listening.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Thank you. Yeesh! It's about time they FINALLY did something to wake up TPTB. This is going out to everyone on my e-mail list, whether they like it or not. I'm even sending it to the person who said I was "fearmongering" by talking about it last year.

      It would end civilization as we know it …. That's a pretty strong statement.

      I don't know if I feel better or worse now, having read those words.

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        The "see I told you so" has never sounded so hollow to me, in my entire life. Pryrrhic justification.

        Here's an interesting tidbit. Apparently BRAWN has their knickers in a knot and a skew in their skivvies because they can't figure out who is behind enenews!

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Pyrrhic in the sense there is no joy in knowing I was right about the seriousness of Fukushima. None at all. No joy in the telling. I just felt duty bound to do it. Someone has to tell the truth. Thanks to all of you here for helping to give me courage. I feel I've probably just made myself "persona non gratis" with several people I know.

        • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

          Hi HoTaters, good find! I liked some of the comments, this one in particular: "who is behind enenews? ???!?!?!? SORRY ??? BUT????@@@!!

          How about who is behind SILENCING the MEDIA on CONTAMINATION of our FOOD and WATER and MILK ??"


    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Well, InfoPest, I've just become an info pest! I just sent the link to the article and a quote to everyone on my e-mail list plus a few institutions to boot.

      Now I'm going to sit back and see if anyone tells me to bugger off.

      If they do that person probably won't hear much from me in the future, considering I just told him/her the most important piece of information he/she is likely to hear in his/her entire life.

      "This could mean the end of civilization" from Robert Alvarez' own lips.

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        I wrote to Drudge and someone at Infowars, too.

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          BTW, the Drudge Report has been ignoring me on this issue for over a year. For some reason they don't find Fukushima to be an important issue. Let's see what they do with this tidbit of information (the link to the article quoting Robert Alvarez).

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Does enenews Admin have a copy of this link? If not, would you please send it to Admin? Very important article!

  • With ten reactors and their spent fuel pools within sight of ground zero, one has to ask: who would/how will they continue cooling the other facilities?

    What is the total tonnage of fuel involved with all ten? For how many years would all this require cooling?

    • jump-ball jump-ball

      GE designed spent fuel pools, like diamonds and herpes, are forever. There is a process of encasing the used rods for dry storage, but GE has convinced the world's reactor builders and managers of the wisdom and cost saving of 2nd floor pooled storage, the accumulated worldwide amount of which is now both staggering and vulnerable to earthquakes, tsunamis and CME or other long-term power outages, as well as terrorist aerial attacks.

      But if you're not looking for the increasing structural storage problem, you won't see the cataclymic danger coming.

  • Anthony Anthony

    The thing we have to think about, if this dominoes effect rolls out, SFP4 – then the large outside pool 50 meters away, sadly and probably the nearby humans maybe extinguished or incapacitated from the toxins.

    I think if this happens it will kill the Japanese people and possibly anyone who tries to approach the vicinity.

    • oh yah ! The other set of reactors are just north of these 3 left !

      • Anthony Anthony

        It's a

        *or die trying*


      • HoTaters HoTaters

        And then not only would Fukushima Daichi be unapproachable, but Daini too because it's in fairly close proximity, right? And by extension if Japan is toast, so are all their reactors.

        ELE, end of story. Civilization. Toast.

        • What we have been saying for over a year, domino affect !

          "They all fall down !"

          • The next closet plant near these 2 facility's is about 8 klm away from them and burning FP's and exploding reactors will engulf them with enough radiation to kill workers or have them abandon plant causing more burns and explosions of reactors and so on across Japan, because many are in cold shut down, they still need maintaining and personnel to address the needs but if no man can live in the environment of blowing winds or fallout they too will go by the Way of China syndromes and burns, explosions across the board, we spoke of these things before they started shutting down reactors last year !

            • Anthony Anthony

              This last year should have seen Japan *shoring up* her other paused plants – dry casking and moving rods to a secured and safer spot away from the dangers of Fukushima.

  • dka

    Let's be clear, there is one catastrophy and it is the fact that people are now living literally through hell because they have been exposed and living in, for more than a year now, smogs of radioactive particules. This is a trememdeous catastrophy, what can happened is another possible one.

  • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

    Rachel Maddow show had a short, but fairly accurate blurb on her show this afternoon. It was tied in with sinking the "Ghost Ship" and some super rich dude, name of Harold Simmons, in Texas that has a privately owned nuclear waste dump there. It is sitting on top of a huge fresh water aquifer, and this guy has gotten the PTB in Texas to move the location of the aquifer on maps so he can store more radioactive shit there.
    I sent her an email thanking her for showing that Fuku hasn't stopped yet. Here's the email:

    Hi Rachel and staff…..

    I appreciated the short blurb on the TRUTH about Fukushima reactors. As you know, this story has been ignored, lied about and virtually hidden by the mainstream media.
    I know you just used it to slap the zillionaire jerk that has given so much money to grease the wheels of NRC and right leaning pols to lie about the safety of storing nuclear waste and make more zillions, but any light shining on the fact that we know how to boil water and make electricity with atoms and have no idea whatsoever how to deal with the millions of tons of death spewing waste produced by the nuke power industry is a breath of fresh air.
    Nuclear is the most dangerous way to produce power in my opinion. If everything ALWAYS goes right, it is still leaking radiation by it's very design. When it goes wrong, it has the potential of taking out the whole human race and most other living things.
    Always looking forward to more…

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I'm one of those face to name type people…and when I look into the faces of the people that are willing to lie..I see mouths moving..eyes dead.
    THIS… Mr. Matsumura is a lie.
    "While the first three reactors contained fuel and presented a serious threat since March 11, 2011, they have largely been contained."

    • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

      In this instance I suspect he has been repeating exactly what he has been told. He asked & asked to learn & what he learned was what they wanted him to know, only that. I do not believe he has done any independent research & as a result he has swallowed the *party line.

      He may indeed be quite surprised to learn the truth…

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I tone my statement.
    It's a very well groomed interview. And whether blatant lie or the words of the uninformed…the very statement I posted above serves as grand disinformation..

  • Cindy

    Can someone post it to the Florida oil spill law ?

    Many truth seekers going there for info… I don't know how to do it there …

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    We're tired of the radiation, and heads are gonna roll. Serious.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Nuclear catastrophes are the fault of all those in the nuclear industry …and their kids are reading this.

  • W8R W8R

    50 years.. Seriously?? Pu can have a 14.4 million year half life..
    Folks, if they cant contain it today, they cant contain it tomorrow..
    or for a thousand tomorrows..
    @ TheBigPicture:
    Sadly, because children`s cells divide faster, they will probably outlive their kids…………………

  • dear jones

    If No. 4 pool collapses, I believe that the US will use a lot of big bombs to put the whole Japan under the sea for cold shut down.

  • jackassrig

    The aquifer I believe is the Edwards Aquifer. San Antonio gets their water from the aquifer. The site you mentioned is in Odessa Tx. I worked there for a while and learned about it in the barber shop. The locals keep real quite about it. Midland Tx is about 10 miles away from Odessa and they boast that Midland is the home W Bush. So you see what you are up against. There is church on every corner in Odessa. It's easier to find a church than gas for your car. I'm not exaggerating.

    • Sickputer

      It's two aquifers, the Dockum and the Ogalla, the latter being the largest that stretches from Nebraska to Texas through seven states:

      "The site is at a ranch known as Windmill Hill in Andrews County, Texas. Not only is this disposal site located above two aquifers, (the Ogallala and the Dockum), but there are also aquifer recharge features on the property. The Ogallala aquifer ranges under 7 other states: New Mexico, Oklahoma, Kansas, Colorado, Wyoming, Nebraska, and South Dakota; demonstrating that opposing the WCS facility is not just a "not-in-my-backyard" stance.

      Thier hazardous waste pit, where they have dumped several million cubic feet of toxic waste and low-radioactivity trash, is actually dug into the Ogallala which is around 35 feet below the surface. It has a plastic lining, which historically have been found to leak. The company bought 16,000 acres in it's earlier days and has licensed 1,600 acres for its hazardous waste disposal area."

      Good map of Ogalla here:

      SP: The money-hungry whores in Andrews county get 5% of the revenues over the next 35 years so they can buy imported bottled Libyan l water for the next 1,000 years assuming anyone survives the impending worldwide Fukushima Holocaust.

      Harold Simmons, 80 years young, will be long gone when his 35-year sweetheart deal ends in Andrews and his company walks away with no liability for…

  • Sickputer

    … the waste.

    Plumes move slowly in the aquifers and it will take millennia to fully contaminate the aquifer. It's already got enough herbicide and fertilizer farming chemicals to make Erin Brockovich grimace. The plutonium just adds to the legacy of how mankind craps in its water supply like there is no tomorrow. Some day there will be no tomorrow and no mankind…just angry diseased mutants. The end of the human race as we know it today. Future shock has arrived in 2012 and it's going to be a bumpy ride for the coming generations.

  • dodge

    There is an old preacher story about life in the 50's, when children used to sit behind the wheel and drive cars in their driveways. There was no danger because the car wasn't going anywhere, (yes always the strange time the child shifted out of gear and the car rolled, I took out the grape arbor). Preachers told about how ineffective it was to steer a car that wasn't moving… today we are learning that it is much easier to operate a running nuclear plant than it is to attempt to maintain control of a plant in "shutdown". Repairs, adjustments, controls, continually rising radiation levels — just a few of the things to make this process difficult. In addition there is the economic reality — while operating, you spend money to make money — in shutdown you spend money without making money, and there is no projected end. When some of the dangerous radioactive elements have half lives in the millions of years, others just a generation or two, this financial drain never ends. Bankruptcy… doesn't matter… someone else still has to keep up the process. Walk away, can't do it, the radiation spreads throughout the world, it concentrates and moves up the food chain. Might be time to ask ourselves concerning the nuclear industry, "Who profits?" and think about "Who pays… How much… for how long."

  • Sickputer

    +100 dodge

    Hope Rachel sees this and gets a soundbite going.

  • arclight arclight

    feckin IAEA is behind the coverup….

    i think arnols gunderson is just the man to collate such an assessment team!! hes been fair and balanced throughout (to the point of winding everyone up! ๐Ÿ™‚ )
    but he is analytical and a critical thinker!

    NO NUKES NOW!! not even little ones, like the one that was effected by the earthquake on the 4 april 2012 that caused a more than 0.40 mcSv/h spike in gamma! just saying gundie! ๐Ÿ™‚

    turkey reactor radiation earthquake on the 4 april 2012

    and the little hungarian medical reactor that the IAEA promised was fixed? playing up again!

    iodine 124 lasting 2 years found in the soil according to the criirad report…. looks like criirad will have to keep that 2011 report live!! ๐Ÿ™

    oh and criirad acro and the llrc should be part of the assessment team too! they have experience of other contamination sites that would be invaluable, and they have prooved thier integrity too over the last year! in the face of massive censorship! and of course those brave japanese proffessors and health workers attached to the japanese belarus team should definately be taking a leading role !!

    the governments have been blinded by the bad science, the biased profit sharing science!


  • Jack Jack

    The solution to the teetering spent fuel pool might be to build a dam around #4 and fill it with concrete to a depth that supports the pool and fill the rest of the way with water to a depth to submerge the fuel rods.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Repost: From the NRC FOIA documents.
    Pg 316 ..
    Line 15:
    NRC Chairman Jaczko: Yes. So ,again,just to repeat,we believe No.4 is dry,and we believe one of the other pools is structurally damaged.
    Libne 19:Chuck Casto: That's correct.
    Line 23:
    Chuck Casto: And we certainly know, I think we absolutely know that pool #4, though the walls have collapsed.

    Pg. 319:
    Line 1:
    NRC Chairman Jaczko: Okay.
    Line 2:
    Chuck Casto: โ€“on pool No. 4.

  • hammeringtruth

    More news on number 4 pool:

  • peace1 peace1

    "No degree of prosperity could justify the accumulation of large amounts of highly toxic substances which nobody knows how to make โ€œsafeโ€ and which remain an INCALCULABLE danger to the whole of creation for historical or even GEOLOGICAL AGES. To do such a thing is a transgression against life itself, a transgression infinitely more serious than any crime ever perpetrated by man. The idea that a civilization could sustain itself on the basis of such a transgression is an ethical, spiritual, and metaphysical monstrosity. It means conducting the economic affairs of man as if people (all life forms) really did not matter at all.โ€ โ€” E.F. Schumacher

    Nuclear Energy is a form of black magic as it breaks down the atomic consciousness not build it up. We will pay the price for allowing such an obscenity.

  • howardtlewisiii

    It truly is a pity that the public follows the prancing, mewling
    cretins in elected office, who were supported through a system of corporate bribery and sponsorship disguised as 'news broadcasts'. I sincerely hope that we can trace the creature pushing for the fission electrical power which against all sane advice dating back to 1975 and before lead to the state we are in now. I condemn the voters of the U.S. for their callous attitudes towards others and their cowardice towards those who hold the threat of nuclear war over our heads. The U.S. government freakshow that supervised and licensed the self-destructing and nuked Fukushima facility did two more disasters. The earthquake for Fukushima did not even knock over bicycles, crack stucco or break windows. But that was one GIGANTIC plateau of water that showed up. This criminal cabal was there for the placement of nukes and thermite and nanothermate in the WTCs and the intentional out of control penetration of the high pressure reservoir at the Maconda Prospect in the Gulf of Mexico. They owned 40% of Halliburton. This oil well was done to cause the mess. See the U.S. Senate report.

    Quit shirking your duty as adults and citizens and research 9-11-2001 and Fukushima behind the scenes activity during 3-11-2011. Or I, personally will advise your placement in a slave labor camp. Try to disprove Jim Stone's Fukushima reports. I can not.