Former US Official: War in Ukraine could cause disaster worse than Chernobyl and Fukushima — Situation “calls for far greater global concern” — Multiple scenarios result in meltdown — Foreign Minister: “Potential threat to many nuclear facilities”

Published: April 15th, 2014 at 5:55 pm ET


Bennett Ramberg, U.S. State Department policy analyst in the Bureau of Politico-Military Affairs under President George H.W. Bush, Apr. 14, 2014: […] Ukraine confronts a nuclear specter of a different kind [than Chernobyl,] the possibility that the country’s reactors could become military targets in the event of a Russian invasion. […] Ukraine’s parliament [called] for international monitors to help protect the plants […] the angst is real. […] With the exception of the 1990’s Balkan conflict, wars have not been fought against or within countries with nuclear reactors […] military jets overflew Slovenia’s Krško nuclear power plant in a threatening gesture […] Serbian nationalists called for attacks to release the radioactive contents. […] the sheer scale of Ukraine’s nuclear enterprise calls for far greater global concern […] aging plants provide 40% of Ukraine’s electricity. […] In Ukraine, nuclear emissions could exceed both Chernobyl and Fukushima. Wartime conditions would prevent emergency crews from getting to an affected plant […] In the event of fighting near reactors, the West should prepare to ferry forces to secure the plants […] in the event of a meltdown, the West should rally both governments to initiate a cease-fire […] failure to prepare for the worst is not an option.

Ramberg’s analysis suggests several scenarios:

  • Warfare is rife with accidents and human error, and […] could cause a meltdown
  • Fighting could disrupt off-site power
  • Operators could abandon their posts
  • Combatants could invade nuclear plants
  • Others might take refuge there, creating a dangerous standoff
  • Failure of military command and control
  • Fog of war could bring plants under bombardment

Andrii Deshchytsia, Ukraine acting foreign minister at the Nuclear Security Summit in The Hague: “Potential threat to many nuclear facilities [should events deteriorate into open warfare].”

Ihor Prokopchuk, IAEA ambassador from Ukraine wrote to the agency’s board of governors: “[An invasion could bring a] threat of radiation contamination on the territory of Ukraine and the territory of neighboring states.”

From Jan. 30, 2014: [intlink id=”bbc-ukraine-on-brink-of-civil-war-govt-threats-to-blow-up-nuclear-plants-facilities-on-high-alert-after-seizure-of-energy-ministry-official-state-of-emergency-possible-video” type=”post”]{{empty}}[/intlink]

Published: April 15th, 2014 at 5:55 pm ET


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277 comments to Former US Official: War in Ukraine could cause disaster worse than Chernobyl and Fukushima — Situation “calls for far greater global concern” — Multiple scenarios result in meltdown — Foreign Minister: “Potential threat to many nuclear facilities”

  • norbu norbu

    Trouble ahead trouble behind…This is quickly getting worse. That list is not good,
    "Warfare is rife with accidents and human error, and […] could cause a meltdown"
    7 things to go wrong, one for each day of the week…EEEK

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      • Gasser Gasser

        The toxic breath of FUKU PandorzillA.

        Every day Nuclear threat news gets worse on all fronts, clearly there is no stopping anything Nuclear in all it's never ending death descriptions.

        100.9% solution solving should/must be focused on neutralizing radiation activity.

        In reality were talking electron's and orbits, and what? shares what? with who? to make it?… as a basic stepping stones to start exteriorly manipulating things around for some orbital change morphing to make any isotopes become stable into a form that can be attracted to "used friendly cleanup magnets"> then sold to be recycled into?

        We have to think in these far reaching thought directions, it's the only way for a Viola!~~~to combat this potential ELE.

        If your some kind of Grant professor in the electro chemical world, I don't feel you'll qualify for the task, I more look to the persons with a computer next to their 'think out of the box one of a kind' hobby shop work bench, their the type that will pull it off…their not bought off, they know what they got to do free for the benefit of mankind, as millions in time will also start searching for the magic do all bullet to kill PandorzillA.

        So put the beer/potato chip bag down and plug inn the soldering iron theres serious solutions to be accomplished.

    • Re: former US official:
      State Dept military types want us to go to war against Russia, using the Ukraine border instablity as an excuse. The military industries plus many in the Pentagon are drooling over it.

      What this guy said about this situation is pure unadulterated BULL. WE don't need to go to war over dysfunctional incompetent Ukraine. Russia will help their fellow ethnics on the eastern border up to a point but they are not going to war against Ukraine. Putin is not THAT stupid.
      WE are stupid if we carry on as if we rule the world and can fight for every dysfunctional nation that asks for our help. It is the elites in these countries that start all this crappadocio. To hell with them. We can't even solve our OWN problems.

      • The_New_Normal The_New_Normal

        Well yes, war must be avoided. However Security Assurances were given when Ukraine agreed to get rid of all it's nuclear weapons. At the time it was the third largest arsenal on the planet. There is an obligation on USA, UK (and Russia, ironically) to provide assistance.

    • skizexq skizexq

      trouble recently! gunmen try to enter ukraine PP.

  • GQR2

    oh man sadly i don't think this is propaganda. Things are going very fast they have an agenda that does not include the realities on the ground – sewing haphazard chaos to not bide well for miscellaneous Nuclear Power Plants. i love you people,hold on tight to yourselves your loved ones and the truth.
    so many are oblivious. and when TPTB use this certain threat, it will be to justify more chaos here and there. Here too. This is the feeling i have. They are on a purge of pro-russian people in a Russian Country by history. see the insanity. Anyway. i fully expect a Reactor to have a melt down one way or another.
    The UN isn't going to guard them now are they?

    • rakingmuck

      I agree with you QKR2. The speed of this new decent into hell is so quick it is as if people have no time to grasp fully the gravity and depravity of the situation. Holding onto this roller coaster takes nerves of steel.

    • Folks, I hope I am wrong with that, but I have a very, very bad feeling about this… I'm wondering why the hell this piece of information is published right now ? Maybe the background is far worse than just "propaganda games" – to me, it somehow feels more like an (unvoluntary) announcement than an honest warning. There is usually little honesty among this kind of people, especially not in a situations like the one we are currently in. So the scary question is: is this to prepare us for something they actually they *intend* to trigger 🙁 !?

      • irhologram

        Fukugeddon. For perspective. I've been hearing about this "inevitable" escalation since last Fall via former govt. remote viewer Ed Dames, who moved to a remote region near Kiev to be with his Russian wife. So it's sudden to the U.S., who generally live in a media blackout…but was spoken of in Coast to Coast interviews. So IMHO, this is not a new situation.

        As far as "wars have not been fought against or within countries with nuclear reactors […] military jets overflew Slovenia’s Krško nuclear power plant in a threatening gesture.."

        So…what do we call the border encroachments involving U.S. troops in Afghanistan when Pakistani troops fired "shots over the bow"…the assassination of Bhutto, the wrangling for control of Pakistan?

        I'd say this "trigger" isn't new under the fingers of NWO designs. The question in my mind is…are major populations to be reduced by radiation as part of the "agenda"?

      • Time Is Short Time Is Short

        We should be prepared for all emergencies, including a nuclear explosion (as best we can).

        I mean, really, after Fukushima, then the rest of the Japanese reactors soon to follow, what's the larger point?

    • mairs mairs

      But it's not a Soviet country anymore. It is a sovereign country.

      • We Not They Finally

        In any case, after Chernobyl, they still have 40% of their electricity from NPP's? Is that true? I have to digest that first. It's appalling.

        But that the U.S. [allegedly] cares about the Ukrainian people has no credibility at all! And whoever wants to keep playing sick nuclear games after the mess we are already in, let them go dose THEMSELVES, "but good," and leave the rest of us alone.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

      This is not a Russian country by history. Ukraine was settled before Russia even existed. And the western half was ruled by Poland for a long time. And the Ukrainians won their independence because that is what they wanted.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

        Stalin starved 30,000,000 Ukrainians to death after WWI in order to steal the land from the farmers and turn them into collective farms. The Ukrainians have no reason to like the Russians. Russia after WWII treated all its satellite countries horribly forcing them to labor for very little money. Roosevelt should never have given Russia the Eastern European countries to Russia after WWII. He just consigned them to slavery.

        • charlie3

          anne, let's leave the Cold War in the past. Stalin was a Georgian, not a Russian, and Russia is not the USSR. There is apparently a wide spectrum of opinion held by Ukrainians regarding Russia.

        • We Not They Finally

          anne, didn't you ocne say you were from that part of the world? I just think that people might give your voice more credence for that reason. Just a heads up here.

          • We Not They Finally

            meant "once," obviously.

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

            WNTF, I'm an American. But my husband was born in the Ukraine and lived there until he was 18. After WWII, he couldn't return home because the Russians would have killed him. I separated from him in 1970, so I'm not in touch with the Ukrainian community now. But when I was, they were fiercely in favor of independence. I met him in Toronto where there is a very large Ukrainian community. One of his cousins was a farmer in Saskatchewan.

        • orsobubu orsobubu

          VanneV, you're right. And, perhaps I'm boring and pedantic but,since we're here to help people fight nuclearism in their own countries, also acquiring a more complete political/historical consciousness, I like to pinponit from your words that: forcing workers to labor in slavery + very little money = extreme exploitation of work force = extreme surplus value extorted = extreme capitalistic conditions. All this coupled with collective farms + stealing of the land = extreme state capitalistic conditions.

          Roosevelt and Stalin friendly signed their pact in order to divide up Europe in two strategical capitalistic influence spheres (imperialism) to 1 – extract respective surplus value from western side (USA) and eastern side (USSR), 2 – to postpone for decades the possibile rising of a fierce competitor in the market (United Europe, exactly Hitler's project). Now this pact has backlashed in their face, the two predators are declining and we live in an instable, multipolar world. As a heritage of this imperialistic experience, Europe is filled with american and russian nuclear reactors.

          All this only to say that our false diatribes about nationalities, sovereignities, east vs west, americans vs russians, etc must be brought back to a scientific reality: the class fight of capital against work. The proof is the current assault of capitalistic russia, america and europe against ukrainian workers' interests.

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            orsobubu, in your equation of capitalism and worker exploitation, Im wondering where robotic industrialism fits in. An interesting equation would be 90% robotic=no jobs, but with lowered cost of manufacture. Thus work is again seen to not be equal to money or earnings. Capitalism without exploitation is pooling of resources in order to make big projects. This to me is the problem with any system; man has too much selfish greed, not enough intelligence…

            surely not the best article on robotic replacement of human labor, but since people like links….
            "Almost half the jobs Americans thought were safe will soon be done by robots"


            • orsobubu orsobubu

              It fits perfectly in, in the sense that robotic work = no surplus value = no money, because you cannot exploit robots, since their cost, in average, after initial amortization, is zero. In fact, a sell price is formed exclusively (in average) by the human work contained into the good to sell (and in items used to produce it), and the profit is formed exclusively (in average) by the surplus work contained in the good and not payed by the owner to the worker (this is for normal profits; in our imperialistic society, overprofits are of paramount importance, but this is another question that adds upon the capitalistic contradictions) That's why a robotized society can be only communist. Capitalism would fail well before of that, and that's why in capitalism you will never get rid of wage work. So, the property of the full products produced in worked hours by the worker, and, in perspective, the freedom deriving from an anarchist vision of life, could be achieved only after capitalism and private ownership of the means of production are wiped out by a transitional communist phase.


              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                orsobubu, I probably agree, but its difficult to get the entire picture. I envision, if nuclear and other toxins would not destroy the foundations of health and overpopulation deplete resources, that capitalism would fall rather quickly since robotization is inevitable. Each house or community could have the machines like 3-d printers which would produce most of needs and this would destroy the corporate/middle man/wage earner/sweat shop etc way of capitalism. Wall street and this mad concept of making money on money would fail by default. There is still the issue of the things that need to be done that nobody wants to do…and my European friends tell me communism didnt work well because people were not motivated by ideology but rather by personal reward….

                • orsobubu orsobubu

                  About nuclear/pollution yes, I agree, with time, reading this blog, I changed my mind and now I'm no more sure as before that a communistic society could manage technologies without misuse. Nuclear is not manageable and is probably a priority, a problem worst and more urgent then any economic/political issue.

                  About the fall of capitalism I'm not so optimistic, marxism is not a deterministic science, but dialectical instead, so I think that if there will not be an organized avangarde leading the international workers, capitalist elites will destroy everything rather than give up their privileges.

                  About things that need to be done, thats'is the task of robotization. Instead spending trillions on weapons, society would organize to develop autonomous machines to decontaminate, etc.

                  In Europe, where I live, nobody can talk about a communist experience because communism never existed in the whole history of the world, since the use of money, wage work, banks, markets, etc qualify those regimes as state capitalistic instead. Communism was an ideology used by bourgeoisies of both blocks to take advantage on their respective workers; USA to instill fear and hate, so to divide and conquer, USSR to deceive and exploit for the personal reward of the capitalist class.

                  • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                    thank you, orsobubu. It's reassuring to know that others understand that environmental issues are not answered with any one political ideology. It's really a matter of focusing all available resources – irrespective of each nation's political process – towards environmental remediation and the complete transition away from things nuclear. And while I'm an advocate of free market capitalism, I wanna put my hand out to you and let you know we'll always be brothers…

                    • orsobubu orsobubu

                      Yes of course, AS, and I owe you to have instilled the doubt in me more than anyone else here. I need to specify that this is limited on nuclear question, because the exceptionality of its irrimediable consequences on human and others species'genomas downsizes the political issue. The fact that my unaware politic leaders supports a communistic, pacific use of nuke industry, is very worrying to me now. This will have an entire chain of consequences on my political activity on a consistent number of people here. But on other, less catastrophically immediate environmental issues, I will not change my mind.

                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      believe me, orsobubu, even my so-called "capitalist" buddies have failed to incorporate the losses they've incurred through the nuclear energy cycle. Just like their banker bosses, they're all about passing losses on down to present and future generations of workers. I find none within the international political arena, of any reputable character. Everyone of them is about getting 'theirs' while the get'n is good. And know that I'd join you in a blink, if I thought there was a working political solution. Unfortunately, we've run out of time for any…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      AFTERSHOCK, if you will permit me one more word on this, and maybe it will relate to nuclear power plants in the Ukraine, but only obtusely. Once upon a time, air, water and sunshine were free. Go back further and include building materials and food.

                      All current systems rely on a buyer and seller; the market. Its deeply ingrained. The industrial revolution was going to free humans from labor. But all systems require money to buy goods. No labor, no jobs (robots again), no money! No money = homelessness. Not all animals toil 8 to 12 hrs a day, its nothing to be proud of. These various ideas of politics and finance coupled with the nature of humans brought us right to the nuclear crisis, and all the other cartel unsustainables. Nuclear exists because of the profit concept. Its why I say the global house of cards must fall if we want to tread the right pathway. Most of what I do is without monetary return, and the sun is still free…what else…how much, in an ideal world can be free?

                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      time, CodeShutdown, is the only thing that's free in this universe. And if not used properly, it's can be irretrievably lost.

                      All-other resource use requires constant effort – in some form or another – to make use of. That effort (commonly referred to as "labor") becomes the basis of all commodity exchange, within a society and between individuals. The amount of time taken to exploit a given set of resources determines the value of the effort expended to produce that commodity. So a piece of bread and glass of water can have great value to someone who (for whatever reason) has run out of the time to produce bread or draw water from a clean source…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      I (kindly) recoil, AFTERSHOCK at this assumption;
                      "labor is the basis of all commodity exchange, within a society and between individuals."
                      society is not a closed system. And, material commodity is but part of a thriving community. This common assumption of economics has lead to this; low wage sweat shops, non laboring uber rich, 8+ hour days of work slavery (orsobubu's extreme surplus value extortion dialectic)

                      Im putting it in your esteemed, panoramic and capable vision to invent at least one other system. Time may be free, but also love cant be bought, and sun warms/enlivens earth/animals without labor. Lets go surfin now, everybody's learnin how, come on a safari with me. Labor-capitalism failed

                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      basically, CodeShutdown, resources are irrelevant if labor's not expended to convert them into a useable commodity for exchange. Nature determines that we have to get our 'hands dirty', if we're to survive; that there's no free lunch. Attempts to circumvent that edict only results in an imbalance within the natural order.

                      Regardless the socioeconomic system, exploitation of labor and resources abounds in varying forms and excesses. In some instances, this is the result of competitive market forces. On the other hand, exploitation can result from a desire to overcome ones competition.

                      And while some perceive abuses of resources and labor as evidence of capitalism innate failure, such violations are evidenced throughout the world and human history. For the most part, free market capitalism has served as an strong moderating force for social cohesion. It was only recently usurped within the last two-hundred years by pinstriped collectivists (aka centralized bankers).

                      Ideal free market capitalism is the process whereby social organizations can achieve a dynamic balance between both nature and resource consumer. Again, one must avoid confusing resource/labor exploitation as being the sole domain of the capitalist. Where true free markets conditions persist, consumer(s) can freely withdraw their participation when resource/labor violations occur. Other socioeconomic models preempt such opting out…

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    Marxian dialectical materialism, while appealing as a logistic approach, seems to leave out the limits inherent in mans current state, ignoring also then any sublime reach or influence beyond his capacity. Socratic dialogue is appealing too but gets in the trap of intellectualism. The classic logic problem of the age was if one half of a distance always remains to be traversed, one could never reach the destination. Hegels Aufhebung may be an important idea apparently shunned by Marx. Marx then is a materialist, which in many respects is what is "wrong" with our civilization. Reich picks up with "functional thinking"

                    European thought more easily contains the dialectic premise. But we can see the great bounds and blunders the U.S. and England had made without it. Intellectualism, while invaluable, is a mental model and thus is divorced from reality. Thats to say a dialectic appreciation of a kiss would lose the non intellectual realities therein. Ideals…and Im idealistic, arising from those thoughts are not enough motivation for "common man" upon which the function of society exists, except perhaps in the intellectual regions of Europe. But free market capitalism leads to market manipulation, exploitation and usury, generally. The sun shines freely and gives life to all beings. What political system is this properly classified under?

                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      had me, CodeShutdown, up-until the "free market capitalism" thing. In truth, we've not had anywhere near a true form of free market capitalism for close to two centuries; if not more. The elite used concepts of a free market to run rampant over their market competitors. We're now experiencing the culmination of centuries of centralized capitalism. It has resulted in a complete loss of personal autonomy in Europe and onerous debt being imposed on American working class citizens. It's all about faux capitalism now, which ultimately facilitates the final transition towards complete centralization…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      I follow you AFTERSHOCK. I feel there is a strong point to make on these ideologies. We agree there was no REAL communism and no REAL free market capitalism. With these naturally anthropocentric conceptualizations go a host of words and preconceived ideas. Law of supply and demand…do you like that concept? It makes me recoil. The inadequacy of this linear thinking and logic systems is seen when intellectuals discussing their merits become dim wits because of radiation and toxin nerve damage. Dont misconstrue the point. Any system might work if the people were healthy physically mentally and emotionally, and none will without. Im reminded of living in this place that had bees in the roof and open windows. All was fine until the subject of removing the bees came up, then we were attacked. This happened on numerous occasions. This is knowing without intellectualizing, and bees lived successfully and in harmony with nature for a million years. Well we wouldnt want a bee society but then there are dolphins. Someone said the ultimate manifestation of an advanced society may be surfing

        • Foggyworld

          I think it was before WW2, and during the 1930's.

  • Yet another set of reasons why these Risky Death Machines, known as Nuclear Power Plants, should never have been built in the first place and those that do exist need to be 'turned off' right now.

    Solar and wind farms cannot be used as intimidation or treated as a strategic global hazardous threat during conflicts. 😉

  • Jebus Jebus

    There are 19 individual reactors at 5 nuclear plants in the Ukraine.

      • Jebus Jebus

        Lets hope that these kinds of continous human failures allow the world to choose a different path for energy than a failed nuclear technology that is suceptable to human conflict…

        • aunavoz

          Yes Mr Jebus. I will join you in that hope. But that hope is hopeless without nuclear remediation. Which does in fact mean inclusion of nuclear scientists.

          I repeat myself though as we both know. Hardest of hard lines challenge the solution.

          And not directed to you personally.


          • Jebus Jebus

            The irony of what you are saying, aunavoz, is that nuclear scientists have been involved with "nuclear remediation" for over seventy years. They have no solution. They have not included or asked the average Jill or John, if they approve of this technology that affects everyone. There has been no vote of the majority. By condescention and exclusion the average consumer has been excluded from ANY say in the matter. Seems one sided, don't you think?

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            aunavoz, does this analogy fit? You want some home energy solutions and the company has several departments; a solar guy, a gas installation guy, a wind guy etc. They send over the nuclear scientist guy who, against your wishes, installs a mini reactor. You dont want it because homeowners insurance wont cover accidents, they cant figure out where to put the waste, its inherently dangerous and it only supplies 15% of your needs. They install it anyway and two years later, an unforeseen accident interrupts the cooling, the thing blows up the house and kills your dog. You only have enough money to try and rebuild, but some of your land is declared uninhabitable. You use all your savings to build a little shack on the corner of your lot. You still live with nuke waste which you cant get rid of.

            Theres a knock on the door…its the nuclear scientist who says hes the only guy that can fix your problems. He rolls out some plans for a new reactor. Livid, you kick him off your property, but he keeps emailing and tweeting with this creepy message; "youre going to need me"

            A just world would create a degree program called Anti Nuclear Physicist and revoke all licenses of pro nuclear scientists who are proven beyond doubt to be incompetent at risk analysis, engineering design, common sense conceptualization and truth telling

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        aunavoz, another reason to immediately shut down the entire Nuclear Industry worldwide and then start the dismantling of all of these 24/7 spewing poison generating manmade machines. 🙂

        • Time Is Short Time Is Short

          To play Devil's Advocate, Obewan, dismantle the world's reactors and send the pieces where? WIPP? The 'slightly below ground level/exposed to air when a tornado comes through' nuclear waste facility in North Texas? The Pacific/Atlantic Ocean? Dry cask everything in new casks every 50 years?

          Clearly, a lot of very important people didn't clearly think this through 70 years ago.

          Our children are sooo screwed.

          • We Not They Finally

            I think he meant shut them down. They will still have no solution but at least slow down perpetuating the problem, that's all. If they keep running and the electric grid goes down, we ALL melt down.

          • Dry cask now, hope and delay is all we have.

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            Dismantle means make them all inoperable and mothballed…waste..well that's why we have need for people like aunavoz and other nuclear scientists.

  • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

    The simple fact that the Ukrainian army failed to defend the Pro-Russian government during the "coup" AND then failed to defend Crimea against Russian troops indicates there is more to the story.

    Ukraine looks more like a nation that was tricked into beheading itself, whose carcass is now being picked clean by a tag-team of East and West, playing "good-cop-bad-cop" to both sides.

    The administration seems to have signaled that it will not intervene militarily, most recently by warning the Ukrainians of that. Moreover, POTUS went to play golf the weekend Russia bloodlessly took Crimea. (Playing golf is the universal gesture by a leader to project international calm: that there is no crisis and war is not imminent.)

    The Ukrainians have already been duped into ruining their nation. All I see left is a relatively bloodless and choreographed justification for Russia to "liberate" ethnic Russians and take Eastern Ukraine, along with half the agricultural lands, and what's left of Ukrainian natural gas outside Crimea.

    Looks fairly lop-sided towards a Russian giveaway, in the sense that if Russia could have chosen, a priori, just what agricultural lands, favored ethnic regions, control of pipelines, and strategic geography that they wanted, while dumping western regions that can't heat themselves in winter and are filled with anti-Russian sentiment. . .then Russia is about to get everything it could want.

    I hope the West got something somewhere else for its…

    • StPaulScout StPaulScout

      A Ice = Historically speaking the Crimea and Eastern Ukraine are traditional Russian territories and have been for 100's of years. The Russians are only protecting their own.

      • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

        It's being handed to them on a silver platter.

        • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

          Maybe the West is getting Syria. . . or maybe its just the price of the Russians consenting to keeping oil and commodity prices artificially low in the face of Western money printing. . .

          or maybe the West just miscalculated and toppled a government in Ukraine while the Ukrainian army was still pro-Russian and Putin told the Ukrainian military to stand down and pulled his leader out so he could have his way with the nation's corpse.

          At any rate, had the Ukrainian army wanted to hold their nation together, they could have taken the streets from the neo-nazi thugs waring swatstika helmets and hockey pads.

          Also, had it wanted to, the Ukrainian military could have walked the Russian army to the border and waived goodbye based on the threat of scuttling those nuclear power plants.

          There is more going on here than nationalism and chaos.

          • charlie3

            " had the Ukrainian army wanted to hold their nation together, they could have taken the streets from the neo-nazi thugs waring swatstika helmets and hockey pads."
            They may yet do so.

            • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

              Of course they will– in the East, and under a Russian flag. And relatively bloodlessly–no one wants to die or see their people die for a giant charade.

              The Ukrainian army apparently wants to join with Russia, and they both seem willing to sacrifice the Western part of the nation in the bargain, leaving a beggared Western Ukrainian rump state to join NATO.

              I suggest that the West and Israel are supporting Nazi freaks in Ukraine because they are SETTING THEM UP and won't have to feel guilty about doing so afterwards, since they are Nazi freaks.

              Assuming there is a quid pro quo to this giant Russian giveaway, it's secret, and so the MSM in America is downplaying reporting.

              Democratic process is "left garbage-in, garbage-out" without information. The public has no way to evaluate or hold accountable the actions of leaders if the deals and the reasons are kept from public view?

              • Time Is Short Time Is Short

                Who says we have a 'democratic' process anymore?

                From Princeton and Northwestern Universities:

                'Study: US Is An Oligarchy Not Democracy'


                Many, many changes have taken place.

                • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

                  Are you satisfied with that state of affairs?

                  I don't disagree, but it's a de facto Oligarchy, not a constitutional Oligarchy.

                  The average vote is turned into so much noise because the average voter is treated like a mushroom, kept in the dark and fed shit.

                  The top 10% are more cooperatively self-interested and follow the lead of their uber-wealthy employers whether or not they understand it all.

                  Generally, the mechanisms of democratic voter nullification are the ability to lie to the people, keep matters of public concern secret, the inaction of those who have taken oaths to support the constitution, and, unfortunately, the apathy of the general public. . .

                  Any number of easy solutions would fix the problem:

                  1) end government secrecy except for current operational reasons

                  2) make it a misdemeanor for government officials to lie to members of the public in an official capacity (it's already a crime for you to lie to the government in an official investigation, after all)

                  3) life sentences for public corruption

                  4) include agreements between third parties to influence officials under the definition of bribery and RICO (criminalizes backroom deals that are then fed to politicians through lobbyists as position points, minus the details of the deals, as well as criminalizes seven figure lobbying jobs whenever a political stooge is called upon to take an unpopular decision that un-elects him, criminalizes law enforcement and intelligence agency…

                  • We Not They Finally

                    Alaskan Ice, you call those "easy solutions"? What universe are you talking about? Why don't we just build a big jail in D.C. and toss most of them in? "Easy solution," yes?

                    • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

                      The levers of power are simple if people have the will; I'm not holding my breath either. But maybe if they knew what changes would do it?

                      Change are required. Hoping law enforcement will find a basis to toss them in jail under the current system, without change, is the kind of thinking that paralyses people and propagates the status quo.

                    • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

                      Another reason those solutions are easier is that they can be legislated at the local or state level, sidestepping tightfisted controls over national politics, and still have tremendous national level impact.

                      For example, a state law making it a crime, say, for pubic officials to knowingly make a false statement to members of the public or the media about a matter of public concern would affect national level officials and politicians operating in or touching upon that state's citizens. . .

    • irhologram

      I thought this was about the Petro dollar and whether Ukraine would become part and parcel of the European Union. I still think so. Since I hardly believe that there even IS such a thing as sovereignty in the NWO…that theory makes much more sense to me… and ALSO, because the Caspian pipeline and WHO gets to supply oil to Europe was said to be the reason for needing "a New Pearl Harbor," (Agenda 21), and the use of 9/11 to go to war with Afghanistan…this just another war about oil.

      • Time Is Short Time Is Short

        It's a war about 'everything', and who controls it. The 'New World Order' vs. those that still want sovereign nations, as the entire world collapses.

        It's going to get really ugly, before it gets worse.

    • We Not They Finally

      A-C, skimmed through your post and honestly, all I saw was "natural gas" and "pipelines." Maybe that's just me, but it ALWAYS seems to be about that. Because the U.S. doesn't give a crap about the Ukranian people. the Crimean people, no one over there. But natural gas and pipelines? Yum, yum!

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

      I read that the former president of Ukraine decimated the Ukrainian military.

      I hate to mention this, but every time a country gives up its nuclear weapons, it winds up being attacked and is decimated. I'm thinking of Iraq, Libya, and Ukraine.

  • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

    I wouldn't be surprised if Putin's office instigated the whole thing from the beginning. Putin is a male "over-compensater"…he's hiding small things…which is very dangerous when such a person is in a position of decision making.

    Don't worry…it's not in Russia's–or any other country's–best interest to hit an NPP…especially in this scenario. That isn't to say the plants won't fall…just that it won't be done on purpose. If I had to guess, this isn't preparation for a "hit" on an NPP, but rather a preparation to SAY that it was a "hit" if the social instability in Ukraine leads to a meltdown.

    There are many more than seven ways that an NPP can be lost…and Ukraine is currently experiencing more than a handful. If a plant in Ukraine goes, it will effect the entire world (just like any other), but Europe and Russian will certainly be in the "hot seat".

    Putin is a filthy scavenger…he wasted no time at all in taking advantage of Ukraine's instability…and yet he continues to make believe he isn't doing what he's doing…

    If a plant in Ukraine pops, you can bet Putin will be the first to know, and he will be on the first flight to the southern hemisphere to meet up with Obam and the others at some make-believe humanities thing.

    If you want to know where the plumes are, just look at where the government leaders aren't.

    • lucius.cornelius

      I wouldn't be surprised if Putin's office instigated the whole thing from the beginning.

      Then prepare to be surprised.
      The toppling of the ELECTED Ukraine Government and the replacement of it by UNELECTED officials was instigated by the US and EU. Basically the EU, with US guidance and help, annexed the Ukraine.
      Russia, which had the right by treaty to keep up to 25,000 troops on Crimean soil did nothing, initially, other than juggle troops around (the US does this all the time – military powers do this). When the majority of the Crimean people expressed their desire by voting overwhelmingly to join Russia, the US/EU called it undemocratic and pretended Putin had caused the whole situation.
      So, the West annexes a country, toppling a democratically elected Government in the process. It then sets up a puppet Government (the new Ukranian president used to be a banker) which, amongst other things, orders the deaths of protestors and police (to help maintain the "oh the chaos" scenario). When real democracy occurs in Crimea, the US/EU condemn it as undemocratic and accuse Russia of doing what they themselves have just done – annexing a sovereign nation.
      Meanwhile, Putin, who has previous experience of the West's inept meddling, gets on with making sure he comes out of this with the best deal and the most land. The US/EU are strutting up and down the world stage, as usual, issuing threats, as usual, appointing cretinous Ambassadors, as usual.
      And the MSM lies and…

      • lucius.cornelius

        lies and lies.
        It's the same here in the UK. The BBC and the "broadsheet papers" are busily accusing Putin of being a "war criminal", likening him to Hitler – all the usual bluff and bluster that the planners in the US/EU usually use (it's getting to be a telltale signature).
        However, if you read the remarks of "ordinary folks" on forums, its quite clear that about 1 in every 10 or so believe the propaganda, and the rest see it for what it is – a US engineered annexation, supported by the servile EU and a grievously dishonest media.

        Think of it this way – the main stream media has told you as much truth about Ukraine as it has about Fukushima.

        • Time Is Short Time Is Short

          Ukraine? Fukushima? Didn't Asst. SecState Nuland say, "Fukushima the EU"?

          Something like that . . .

    • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

      ME: All that needs to happen is some sort of skirmish that cuts power to the NPP and it is Chernobyl–Part II.

      I doubt that both sides in some fire fight will be worrying about power lines nearby in terms of the NPP 50 miles away that has no long term back up option.

      • Time Is Short Time Is Short

        And that's the worst of the worst in Ukraine right now. It doesn't take an attack on an NPP. Just a shutdown of some well-unsecured and aging poorly built power plants/feed wiring. It would only take a few weeks of no power and . . .

        Well and simply put, FGJ.

        • We Not They Finally

          Yeah. "If I can't have it [political control, resources, whatever], nobody can." The crap with the population. It's never been about that.

  • wildandfree wildandfree

    Sorry to say, humans are too stupid to heed any warning or to take any preventative measures. If they haven't already triggered a meltdown, then this is their way of saying we're screwed! Hang on to what you've got, it's about to get ruff.

  • Sadbuttrue Sadbuttrue

    "in the event of a meltdown, the West should rally both governments to initiate a cease-fire to deal with the disaster" I can assure you that will not happen. Call a cease-fire to deal with the disaster? Judging by the response in dealing with Fukushima, I'm pretty certain no action will be taken.

  • dosdos dosdos

    A more likely scenario is for a terrorist group to capture a plant, remove fuel assemblies, use them to make dirty bombs, essentially conventional explosives like C4, surrounded by nuclear fuel fragments. Shuffle these dirty bombs around to strategic locations (say Moscow, etc) and detonate them. You don't need nuclear refinement/enhancement technology to make an area too hot to survive. You just need a few brainwashed monkeys to do the deadly work.

    No one wants to send a reactor into meltdown in their own backyard. But contaminating the capitol and other key locations of the enemy is a very appealing temptation.

    What you have to fight is the mentality of, "If I'm going down, I'm taking you with me."

  • Gadiantion

    The reality is that the Ukrainians have zero ability to resist invasion. They only have 1 weapon, and that is the prevailing wind currents….they might bank on a plan of blowing a plant or 2 to irradiate an enemy they cannot beat with conventional weapons. Remember the Russians killed about 20 MILLION Ukrainians and a deliberate suicide move against Russia is not off the table.

  • Ontological Ontological

    They find out nukes are great Cobalt 60 grenades, and all hell begins to break loose.
    With zero budget for things like car batteries that could have improved the odds of doing anything whatsoever at Fukushima early, they didn't even rate a credit card and of course the idiot at the battery store HAD to have his frigging money. So up against that, NPP(Nuclear Plutonium Producers) are a piece of cake and ice cream to boot for a hostile take over. Sigh… The industrial military will do nothing to interfere of course; after all they are only in it for the money.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

      The earthquake itself broke the cooling pipes at Fukushima. There was no way to stop the meltdown after that. Previously they had welded shut the vents that would have allowed the hydrogen gas to escape.

      Nuclear technology is lethal. The plants were lethal even before the 9.0 earthquake. Every nuclear power plant in existence is leaking radioactive nuclides into the water, land, and air every day. These radionuclides accumulate and bioaccumulate and the nuclear waste keeps increasing.

      There is a finite amount of uranium in the world and the fuel shortages will become apparent within 5 years.

      Nuclear technology is extremely, extremely expensive and the cost will be rising sharply in the next 5 years worldwide. The already bankrupt nuclear nations are never going to have money to decommission these plants. They need to start today. These is no way to safeguard the nuclear waste for a million. The whole world needs to stop creating more today. There is no way to make nuclear radioactive contaminated land inhabitable. They need to shutdown every reactor today to try the save the land from becoming even more uninhabitable.

      Lead pots destroyed the Roman Empire. Nuclear energy, uranium mining, and nuclear and uranium weapons are destroying the whole world today.

  • Cdog Cdog

    fairytales (FT) and facts (F) regarding the nuclear meltdowns of japan:
    FT: Its the second worst nuclear accident ever behind Cherynobl.
    F: Chernobyl was 65 tons of aerosolized uranium, Fukushima was 100 tons + of aerosolized uranium and Plutonium, another 250 tons lost into the earth and ocean.
    FT: Nobody has died due to the accident
    F: multiple deaths including 1000's of tepco workers.
    FT: only cesium released and a concern
    F: Over a 1000+ isotopes released including uranium, plutonium, iodine, strontium, americium, etc.
    FT: Cold shutdown
    F: 3 X china syndrome
    FT: Hydrogen explosions
    F: radioactive hydrogen explosions + Nuclear explosion at reactor #3
    FT: No sea life impact
    F: death and complete collapse of star fish, mussels, crabs, anchovies, sardines, dolphins, sea lions, polar bears, orcas, tuna, pelicans, bald eagles, etc.
    FT: No immediate danger to humans
    F: 30 to 40 bq of cesium, etc can conclusively cause cancer (Chernoybl research) But it is true, their is no immediate danger, it can take up to two years to devolpe cancer.
    FT: Obama says no danger or effect
    F: Obama and family jumped on a plane for Brazil within hours of the meltdowns
    FT: No radiation detected in the USA or imported foods.
    F: Hilary Clinton signed into law that we would not test for radiation any imports five days after the accident and Radnet was shutdown for the first time in 40 years within a week of the accident. America also upped the acceptable limits from 100bq to…

    • Skip Intro Skip Intro

      Bizarre that you got a bit of rabid-anti-Clinton drool in your facts at the end there. Why would Hillary Clinton ever sign anything into law. She hasn't even gotten the nomination yet.

      • Jebus Jebus

        Ya, we wouldn't want to be tossing any shoes at her, now would we…

        U.S. to Aid Japanese, Push Deal on Korea – April 18, 2011

        There are many more articles discussing this, trust me…

        • A look back.

          "Five weeks after the quake, …the plant's operator, Tokyo Electric Power Co., said it expects to stabilize the reactors at its Fukushima Daiichi facility within six to nine months."
          – from article Apr 2011

          Yet, we now know as fact, that multiple meltdowns had already occurred. They LIED!

          Yet, somebody throws a shoe and they get jail time.
          What's wrong with this picture? 😉


        go back, Skip Intro…back to the days when humans had humanity…

      • She deserves a harsh harsh penalty for her role in that posisoning of the American people to advance her personal power objectives.


          in her case, stock, a 'life' sentence in solitary, at a maximum security facility, and a daily supply of sushi would be fitting justice…

          • Right, but lets be humane about it….make sure the sushi is 995 bQ/kG of strontium. The coming leukemia will save the taxpayers a lot of money.


              just make sure, stock, her medical coverage's the same as the rest of us. Then we're sure to know she'll be having second thoughts, before she's welcomed through the gates of hell…

              • We Not They Finally

                Ouch, guys! She did BAD with that trade agreement following Fukushima. But there are also a ton of other culprits here.

                • I think they all need Hormesis treatment

                  For those who promote the "radiation does you good" philosophy, I ask them —Please detail your regime of the additional radiation that you seek out in order to further benefit your own body…..NEVER got an answer from any pronuker….I visit their sites. And funny they don't ban me so much lately.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          The president is responsible for all foreign policy decisions. And the present Secretary of State is continuing his policies.

          Just like the US to condemn a woman and ignore the egregious responsibility of the men at the top.

          The nuclear industry wouldn't let Hilary be the nominee in 2008 and they will never let her be the nominee in 2016.

          Please blame the nuclear industry and the Bilderberg. The US is being run and destroyed by foreigners.

          Women are the scapegoats. It is men in our patriarchal society who wield the power.


            big yeeeshhh…

          • irhologram

            C'mon, Anne. I think you know these above comments would have been generated regardless of whether the name was Hillary or Hilary. What are you thinking saying it's sexist to criticize authority? You don't think the Secretary of State should come under fire or scrutiny? You think ALL fingers should only point at the president, and that actions while in government service should not affect subsequent political careers? Umm. Now that IS sexist.

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              Does the queen still own uranium mines? Maybe that decision came from her?

              • We Not They Finally

                YES, she owns tons of uranium mines. Not the British people. HER. And apparently also BP. Always looks for what/who is lurking in the background.

          • Arizonan Arizonan

            +10000. Very well phrased Anne.

          • 4Warnd 4Warnd

            I like you more and more, VanneV!

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

        No one ever signs into law anything but the president. No one else has the legal ability to sign anything into law. If something happens to the president, the vice-president inherits the responsibility.

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

            It is obvious you have never had a course in US government. Only a president can sign something into law. Only the Congress can vote laws into place. And the Supreme Court can can declare that a law isn't valid if they so rule. No one in the Cabinet, such as a Secretary of State, has anything to do with any laws of the US.

            • Loveistheonlyrationalact Loveistheonlyrationalact

              so much discussion on how the Gov't works?? Boy do you all have that backwards !!

          • Angela_R

            GQR2, I have corrected the link and left it on Off Topic. Cornell University explains the duties of the President and when Executive Powers can become operative. Congress at present appears to be seeking to amend the War Powers Act.

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            .. 🙂

        • razzz razzz

          VanneV: Sometimes you are beyond description…

          The Bill is sent to the President

          When a bill passes in the House and Senate and is sent to the President for a signature, it is said to be enrolled.
          The President can take one of several possible actions:
          The president may take no action. If Congress is in session, the bill automatically becomes law after ten days.
          A pocket veto occurs when the president takes no action and Congress has adjourned its session. In this case, the bill dies and does not become a law.
          The president may decide that the bill is unwise or unnecessary and veto the bill.
          The president may sign the bill, and the bill becomes law.

          It's true the presidents control and dictate policy to everyone in the cabinet, within legal authority. So if a president wants his Secretary of State to make certain statements or sign particular foreign agreements the SofS will do it. Ex. Hildabest makes statements about supporting Japan's nuke meltdowns by allowing the US to continue importing irradiated food and products, it is done with the president's (O'bummer) approval while the president makes or is saddled with the final decision to shut down EPA radioactivity monitoring stations then flies off to the Southern Hemisphere to avoid any fallout cloud while at the same time tell Americans how he will inform them of fallout as soon as he knows.

      • GQR2

        She has signed many trade agreements and we here many of us at least study the details of political events. So don't start with the rabid anti shillery stuff ok. Just don't. She is a public figure who has done and does many controversial things including allowing HIGHLY TOXIC products here from Japan. This is an ongoing problems MILLIONS will be sickened – This is not about her anyway. There is a horrendous situation in the Ukraine. So keep your powder dry ______ the election is far off.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          “…But the congressional role in trade agreements has also been understood to fill in for the role of the U.S. Senate in approving treaties even if those treaties have no domestic law impact. For U.S. law purposes, the President can’t enter into a treaty unless the Senate gives its advice and consent. In the trade agreement context, I think many scholars have thought that Congress’ approval of those agreements by a majority of both houses serves the same role of giving the input of the legislature on the President’s decisions to enter into international agreements.
          “Or perhaps not. Maybe the President really is free to bind the U.S. under international law via executive agreement on trade matters without any approval of Congress as long as no domestic law change is needed. This means that trade agreements really are just sole executive agreements that Congress is not really approving, but just implementing into U.S. domestic law. And if no implementation is required, no Congress. This makes sense, but I just don’t think this the common understanding of how or why these congressional-executive agreements work.
          “One way out of this problem is (as Simon also points out) to understand the Bali Agreement as an amendment to the WTO Agreement. That agreement (in Art. X) specifically outlines a mechanism for amendment which requires “consensus” (e.g. unanimity) or (depending on which provision is being affected) a two-thirds vote of the Ministerial Conference. In this way,…

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

            That agreement (in Art. X) specifically outlines a mechanism for amendment which requires “consensus” (e.g. unanimity) or (depending on which provision is being affected) a two-thirds vote of the Ministerial Conference. In this way, Congress may be understood to have already approved future amendments to the WTO Agreement when it “approved” the original WTO Agreement back in 1994. This “delegation” theory is probably a better explanation of why no congressional approval qua approval is needed for the Bali Agreement. Not totally satisfying, but probably enough here….”

            • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice


              Marbury vs. Madison is not a constitutionally enumerated power of the Supreme Court.

              At any rate it is patently unconstitutional for any branch of government to delegate one of its essential, enumerated functions to another branch.

              For example, if delegation of enumerated powers were constitutional, we could envision a scenario where both the legislature and the executive simply delegated all their power to the Supreme Court. Or perhaps more likely another scenario where the judiciary and the Congress delegated all power to the President.

              A Supreme Court that rules such delegation Constitutional de-legitimizes its own authority in the matter.

              • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

                The founders envisioned that Congress would be the rowdy voice of the people and the states, not that they would collect paychecks, make speeches and evade all political responsibility by delegating away all their essential Constitutional functions: war to the President under the war powers act, the power of the purse to private bankers and the executive with the Federal reserve bank, and even making laws under current interpretations of retroactive approval to treaty changes, such as you describe with the WTO.

        • Some people really like Hillary, as far as I can tell she a dangerous to useless power monger, willing to look the other way with tricky Bills shenanighans so that one day she can "get hers" too.

          simple question, what good has she done, list of 5 items please.

          • We Not They Finally

            Wait! We're still staggering over the killing of JFK here! The Presidency used to MEAN something, used to be for the American people. Being laser-focused on Hilary doesn't address that — not hardly.

  • lucius.cornelius

    <begin ultra cynic mode>

    A limited nuclear exchange in Ukraine would provide the perfect cover for the forthcoming tidal wave of Fukushima caused cancers (that so far they've tried to pre-emptively blame on sugar and alcohol).

    <end ultra cynic mode>

    This is one of those times that I would be overjoyed to be wrong.

    • name999 name999

      lucious, or it is attributed to peeing in the swimming pool.

    • We Not They Finally

      That's that I thought. Then I thought, how to bring that up without seeming (as you put it) "ultra cynic mode." But always in major crisis, there is DIVERSION. Like maybe it will not have been that the Japanese (and the U.S. by consent) were responsible for mass health epidemics. It would "turn out to be the Russians."

      It's a horrifying thought to even entertain. I really don't WANT to. It's just the KIND of thing I've feared.

  • vital1 vital1

    Here is an International list of Radiation monitoring stations. This list can be used to cross reference detections, to help eliminated station malfunctions or false alarms. If this situation gets out of hand, this list could be important to monitor the situation.

    If you see monitoring stations on the same or different monitoring networks, near to each other showing elevated detections, it is more statistically likely to be a genuine event, and not a station malfunction.

    • We Not They Finally

      So you think. But do you know how Gina McCarthy (current head of EPA) got her job? By being in charge of The Office of Radiation Monitoring in the wake of Fukushima and turning those monitors OFF. that got her promoted to the hea of EPA!!

      And who gets to report on what those international monitors SAY? We WANT transparency. But who/what guarantees it?

      • vital1 vital1

        The stations listed at this site are marked private and government. It also explains with examples, why you have to be careful when looking at government monitors during a nuclear event.

  • Cdog Cdog

    1200 Bq.
    FT:No recordable impact in the ocean
    F: Seaweed and Kelp recorded at 2000 bq in Santa Cruz CA over 2 years ago.
    FT: only fringe and alarmist websites indicate a problem
    F: 1000's of utube reports show elevated radiation levels on the west coast and in Japan
    FT: It's only a Japanese problem
    F: We are a universal environment
    FT: That water is being treated before being released into the ocean
    F: Their is no filter for tritium, ALPS breaks down constantly, endless "leaks" into the ocean recorded over the last three years.
    FT: In forty years it will be cleaned up
    F: Man has never developed a way to stop a runaway corium
    FT: It's only in the ocean
    F: the ocean evaporates and the isotopes come down in the rain on all crops
    FT: your body can purge these poisons
    F: Manmade isotopes are too small for for your body to effectively expunge
    FT: Sushi and fish are safe and comparable to the natural radioactive potasium in bananas
    F: The electric voltage of uranium and plutonium is a million times greater than that of natural potassium
    FT: your body has a natural defense against radiation through evolution of exposure to the sun
    F: Ommits the difference between internal and external radiation, Alpha versus, beta, gamma, and neutron radiation.
    FT: if it was an issue it would;d be in the news and on MSM
    F: GE and Westinghouse own a majority share of all the mass media in the uSA, Canada, England, Most of Europe, China, Etc.

  • fredquimby fredquimby

    Morning All,

    The Head of the Swiss Army just did an interview with a local paper saying your nuclear shelter should be stocked up with 300 litres of mineral water, fruit juices, rice, tins etc etc. enough for at least a week for your dependants. The reason he gave? "The risk of cyber-attacks and powercuts".

    Very wise words, but it makes me nervous when people like that come out and say things like that!! What does he know that I don't??!!

    So, the nuke bunker downstairs was duly re-stocked this week anyhow, despite all the commentators below the article ridiculing him (massively) for saying it.

    Good luck everyone!

  • SadieDog

    “Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid”

    ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

  • moonshellblue moonshellblue

    Why would they destroy nuke facilities to claim land doesn't make sense plus how can the US talk about aging nuke plants as we have the most aging plants of any country which keep getting license renewals and should be decommissioned IMHO

  • Dick Shenary

    In retrospect, what Hillary Clinton did on April 17, 2011 while in Tokyo, will make history's Lucrezia Borgia seem like a rank amateur. In fairness to Hillary, I don't think she knew what she was doing. Just another idiot attorney/politician who has no real clue about reality and consequences.

  • NondiPloom

    Does anyone actually think the Russians are STUPID ENOUGH to target nuclear plants . . . especially after Chernobyl?

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Yes! 🙁 This has nothing to do with intelligence, otherwise we humans would not have hundreds of Nuclear Power Plants sitting all over the world that could be blown up on/for a purpose..

      • We Not They Finally

        Putin is anything but stupid. And probably the LAST thing he would want is to divert attention from Fukushima to "go blame the Russians."

        It seems to be an evil game that the former GHWB advisor is playing. Where was he when Bush Sr. starting bombing Iraq with depleted uranium, and destroying the CIVILIAN population there, plus our own American troops?

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          I consider the leaders of any nuclear country and any supporters of nuclear energy and weapons as being stupid. Nuclear technology is a train speeding to destruction. Those leaders are all nuclear brain damaged IMO. Who is going to pay for the decommissioning and storage of nuclear waste? No one can solve Fukushima, WIPP, Hanford, Mayak, Chernobyl, Simi Valley.

        • nedlifromvermont

          Time to nationalize the nuclear industry … that's the answer … private capitalism has failed on nuclear and they know it … GE sold control of their division (while holding onto the fuels fabrication division!!!) and Westinghouse is sold, and Mitsubishi seems to want to unload it, too; Siemens is out, and Areva is in huge debt … a nuclear Ponzi scheme only a Madoff could love …

          How in Hell did it come to this? What's on over at the Colliseum? Any Christians fighting tigers with their bare hands?

    • I'm not worrying about Russia. I'm worrying about the Pentagon/White House puppet masters and their allies (among which the Merkel regime is currently one of the role models), as they are currently losing control on all fronts at an incredible speed. Their paranoia might result in some form of last-minute panic and mislead them to do crazy and dangerous stuff that would normally be unthinkable.

      • The lie/deception/propaganda/false flag model that was used quite successfully for decades doesn't work any more (for good reasons), and they obviously do not have a backup plan at hand. A war with Russia is their last "ace" to interrupt the ongoing full exposure of current and former illegitimate war policy and to prevent the end of the petrodollar system which will send the US dollar into free fall and render the States even more bankrupt than they already are because it won't be possible any more to "export" the enormous inflation generated by the Fed to all other countries, which basically was a key element of Washington's "business model" for the past decades. What a pity for Germany none of their gold is left, I suspect they* will go down with the US.

        *I could just as well say "we" as I am from Germany, unfortunately

        • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

          If they wanted war they would have fomented shooting between Ukrainian proxy groups (military, militia, etc.) and Russians back when the Russians took Crimea. . . at the very least.

          It's a charade, me thinks.

          • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

            These people understand from experience that proxy wars take time to be properly brewed with hate, stewed with reprisals, and steeped in blood; they wouldn't have missed that opportunity for an early start in Crimea if that was their aim.

            • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

              Only a small number of casualties have occurred in this geo-political kabuki thus far.

              The real risk for war comes as various domestic groups wake up from "the Matrix" and realize that they've been fooled, that their nation is being divvied up by Russian and other foreign powers, following a dialectic script, and that their own prejudices have been used to blind them and tear up their nation.

              Then we might see real fighting develop into civil war.

      • We Not They Finally

        They've already done "crazy and dangerous stuff that is unthinkable"! The usual modus operandus is simply fear of getting CAUGHT or of getting BLAMED. Unsure how the Ukraine figures into that, but a former GHWB advisor (as quote in article above) would not be a credible person to ask.

        Fukugeddon, your points are well-taken. Apparently, Germany has NOT gotten its gold back and no one even knows if it is at Fort Knox at all! And it seems like most everything these days is to protect the petro-dollar.

        But at least the Germans still seem to have some overt progressive streak. In the U.S., progressives are being totally suppressed.

        • Is there any gold left at Fort Knox?

          • One could even ask: Was there ever any gold (in the official amounts and purities) ?

            By the way: remember Goldfinger's evil plan in the 007 movie classic ? It wasn't about stealing the gold from Fort Knox – it was about permanently and irreversebly irradiating it using an atomic bomb to render it forever unusable !

        • Angela_R

          If there is gold in Fort Knox, who owns it? Germany obviously owned some.

    • GQR2

      Accidents happen NondiPloom-the fog of war. All the countries,global banking interests,the imf/usa/russia/isreal/saudi arabia and others profit from disaster. The politicians like playing disaster capitalism all around the globe. Its their M.O.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

      The Russians are stupid enough to have nuclear waste all over the place. Tsar Bomba was another nuclear stupidity. Who needs a bomb big enough to destroy the entire world? Chernobyl didn't even have proper containment. Many people in Russia are dying of radiation poisoning. Hasn't Russia lately gone to war in Georgia, Chechnya, and elsewhere? Russian aggression has never stopped since 1914. And now Crimea. Does anyone really believe that they would stop with the Ukraine? Their population is declining and their land is dying from horrible contamination. Putin is desperate to find more slaves to prop up his dying regime. But first he wants all the seaports on the Black Sea. And, yes, he is crazy enough to blow up a nuclear reactor to achieve his goals. The head of the KGB is no stranger to slaughtering innocents in order to perpetuate a murderous, repressive regime.

      Ukraine does matter. And the world cannot withstand another nuclear meltdown. Nuclear warfare is insane.

  • We Not They Finally

    I take it that bloggers at ENE news understand..The underlying issue which is the USA is struggling to hold onto the Petro Dollar so our economy will not dissapear in the night and the USA will end up like the Weimar Republic like Germany prior to Hitler.

    • GQR2

      exactly WNTF

    • Exactly my point of view (see above). Welcome to the club.
      Let's hope our countries will die with grace and not set the world on fire in blind denial of realities !

      • By the way, when looking at Hitler's war tactics, one may wonder why he did not wait longer before starting his war and why he took the risk of entering into a multi-front war. Well, many historians think it simply was because he just "had to" from a financial standpoint. In other words: the German government was more or less bankrupt, so further delays were simply not an option.
        Anyone should keep this in mind when assessing the situation.

        • You bring interesting insight to the discussion, FG.

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          "The German government was more or less bankrupt,"

          And just how many countries are bankrupt today with all these Ponzi Scheme spending sprees going on?

          Let any collective take your money by force and then spend it on themselves and their friends and you will bankrupt any country very quickly and we are seeing these results live right now.. worldwide.

    • Yep, this is really simple, but for those that don't know, last century USA made a deal with the Saudi states….it went like this…

      As long as you ONLY promise to accept USA dollars in exchange for oil, THEN we will not just protect you and call you friends, but we will also allow you to occasionally rape the world with an oil crisis in which you can triple or quadruple your profits for a few years.

      With USA printing to kingdon come….those holding dollars are getting raped of their "wealth" even 10% a year makes a big difference. Thats why I switched to 85% hard assets that will in theory go up as the dollar goes down, perhaps a break even or a little better.

      Those with money in the bank of a "sweet CD" making 3% are actually losing 7% a year. Those on fixed income better sharpen their pitch forks and get ready to go head to head with the militarized police state.

      • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

        Petro dollars mattered when production was rising and credit expansion was the main engine of wealth. Not so much any longer. . .

        Aren't you skipping the part about tying the price of Saudi crude to West Texas Intermediate (WTI) for deliver in Cushing, OK, pricing determined by US.

        Now Saudi crude is tied to the Atlantic Sour Crude Index (ASCI), a mixture of product from three U.S. wells in the Gulf of Mexico, again for delivery in Cushing OK, again pricing determined by U.S. on commodity exchanges owned by the major oil companies and banks, like ICE.

        Before peak oil they could print petro-dollars as long as they could ensure world production went up, year over year. After peak oil, they can print to the moon as long as they can suppress oil pricing forever.

        That's the new normal.

        • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

          The Saudi Royals agreed to sell their people's birthright for a fraction of what it was worth. They got security assurances. We got to keep oil pricing "cheap" by having the Saudis exploit Ghawar, the largest oil field, whenever it there were supply issues. And, drink up the Saudi oil first before opening up the National Petroleum Reserve.

          When oil is "cheap", and priced closer to the cost of energy invested to get it as opposed to the higher value of energy returned as work, well, then consumer nations get rich.

          Conversely, when oil is "expensive" and priced closer to the value of energy returned as work as opposed to the cost of energy invested to get it, well, then producing nations get rich.

          At 20:1 EROEI (energy returned on energy invested) oil is priced closer to the "1" than the "20".

          Maybe the Saudis will figure it out once it's gone.

  • GQR2

    If the IMF would stop beating to death the pro Russian Candadates and stop trumping up terror operations things would settle down the people don't want a bloody war. And they don't want Neo Nazi Fascist puppets running the west Ukraine. Here those sent on the terror purge so called surrender the tanks. Now the question is what is the next horrendous Flase Flag that will cause irrevocable chaos. The cia and other agents have a lot of trick up their sleeves.

    If only the IMF/USA would stop provoking violence and leave the candidates alone. (not gonna happen) things would be peaceful in a short time.

  • Entergy has been "threatening" to shut down nuke plants.

    OK I call your bluff, shut them down, make my day.

    Yesterday, GreenWorld broke the story of a pattern of stock sales by top executives at Entergy, the nation’s second-largest operator of nuclear power stations.The CEO, CFO, Chief Accounting Officer, and Senior VPs for Government Affairs and Human Resources have all sold large amounts of their stock in Entergy, with CEO Leo Denault unloading over 55% of his shares in December and CAO Alyson Mount selling 46% of hers on April 9.

    CFO Andrew Marsh and SVP for Government Affairs Kimberly Despeaux each sold over 20% of their Entergy stock in February. The insiders’ apparent lack of confidence in the corporation’s prospects contradicts a rosy 1st Quarter earnings report, also released yesterday, reporting higher than expected returns following an unexpectedly cold winter with unusual energy price spikes.

    Over the last year, several investment firms have reported on major problems confronting Entergy’s nuclear power business, due to a long-term decline in energy prices that puts nuclear generators at a competitive disadvantage. Several reactors could close due to their poor economics over the next few years,including a majority of Entergy’s nuclear fleet.This winter’s price spikes do not necessarily change the long-term outlook for the nuclear industry, as utility and energy market regulators respond to mitigate those problems.The stock sales from Entergy…

    • And since Entergy’s nuclear business is the most significant known problem for the corporation, the executives’ moves raise questions about whether investors should expect larger problems or major announcements this year.

      The article, written by NIRS' Acting Executive Director Tim Judson, is available here.

  • hey all — popped in to share a WIPP joke — in the forum because it'd be OT here — wtf its a high school sort of thing but we could all use a bit of levity — so FWIW


    In Europe and America, there's a growing feeling of hysteria
    Conditioned to respond to all the threats
    In the rhetorical speeches of the Soviets
    Mr. Krushchev said we will bury you
    I don't subscribe to this point of view
    It would be such an ignorant thing to do
    If the Russians love their children too

    How can I save my little boy from Oppenheimer's deadly toy
    There is no monopoly in common sense
    On either side of the political fence
    We share the same biology
    Regardless of ideology
    Believe me when I say to you
    I hope the Russians love their children too

    There is no historical precedent
    To put the words in the mouth of the President
    There's no such thing as a winnable war
    It's a lie we don't believe anymore
    Mr. Reagan says we will protect you
    I don't subscribe to this point of view
    Believe me when I say to you
    I hope the Russians love their children too

    We share the same biology
    Regardless of ideology
    What might save us, me, and you
    Is if the Russians love their children too

    (Source: AZlyrics –

  • 4Warnd 4Warnd

    Now here is an idea, floating NPPs. The USA had one near Panama years ago and was put into "cold shutdown" in 1976 and is now scheduled to be decommissioned over the next few years.

    Now this:

    And, Russia has plans for two more of these monstrosities coming in the next decade.

    What could go wrong? What will go wrong?

    • I suppose the insane idea behind this is to have an easy exit route in case of an emergency, that is: just sink the whole thing down to the dark depths of the ocean. A foolproof, well-established technology successfully used with nuclear waste barrels tens of thousands of times 🙁 !

      • No need to worry about that nasty waste transportation and storage at all, when you think this concept further: all it takes is a clever design where you only have to insert new fuel from the top, while the waste is handled simply by gravity (thus fully automatically without the need for external power), and it can also be kept underwater all the time (thus making it totally safe !). And as a free giveaway, sealife will profit greatly from the unexpected hormesis doses in an area of hundreds of square miles !

  • 4Warnd 4Warnd

    Bye the way, this will be my last post on this site, regrettably for me – more than a few will be happy to see me go away.

    This thread is a perfect example of devolution from informed discussion to mere political screed. Many statements, little evidence.

    And, it has apparently been overtaken by those who are too happy to push their agenda (with the exception of anti nuclear, which I share).

    90% of this thread, for instance and evidence, ought to be on an off topic thread. But no, there is a political insistence to pollute what could have been an informed, insightful dialog.

    That, sadly is not herein.

    • Sparky Sparky

      @4WArned, I'm sorry you're leaving as I've appreciated many of your posts. I also appreciate the informed discussion that generally takes place on Enenews. Whether "political screed" or other OT or lengthy threads, I simply don't have time to wade through them all.

      Take a break if you must, 4Warnd, but hopefully you'll return to to give/get valuable perspective. Best wishes to you and yours, regardless.

    • We Not They Finally

      Don't go over THIS. The article itself quoted a suspect former political official. Sometimes it IS about politics! Be more patient. Chime back in when you feel comfortable.

  • Shaker1

    4Warnd, might you consider patience? Just asking. While it might be easy to break down things into discrete elements, to me, nuclear in itself is an intensely political discussion at its very heart, be the word 'politics' used in the sense that I feel you might be using it or as the all-inclusive sense in:

    5 a : the total complex of relations between people living in society

    (Copyright 2000, Merriam-Webster Incorporated)

    Each and every voice is important to the discussion.

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  • Kernels of truth are always worth looking for…

    One has to scratch through a lot of hay to find them.

    • earthsmith earthsmith

      So true Dr. Goodheart…put those kernels in one pot and you can have irrefutable fact. For the enlightened mind a single truth can stand on it's own and the test of time. But for many people truths must be pooled together to paint a broader picture.
      Patience…….and every voice… of the last roads forward. Disregarding these two is partly the reason the world is what it is.

  • earthsmith earthsmith

    Thank you all for everything that is posted here…it truly is beautiful.
    It is also what the world needs.

  • We Not They Finally

    NOW Mr. Ramberg cares about nuclear proliferation? NOW? After his master, GHWB, long since started the depleted uranium program in Iraq to devastate the local population there? NOW suddenly he f-ing cares? Like anyone elbow-deep in depleted uranium even CARES about human life?

    By the way, what is wrong with Ukraine? They saw the havoc wreaked by Chernobyl and they still have 40% of their electricity from NPP's? How crazy-nuts-bananas do people have to be?

    And what about the "terrorists" they say they are worried about torpedoing the NPP's: How crazy-nuts-bananas would THEY have to be, to go anywhere near the NPP's?

    Or is any of the American panic even true? Is it just an excuse to make some American military move? Suddenly America cares about the Ukrainian people? Give me a break! Is it that there is some oil pipeline going through their territory?

  • Nigwil

    and as we learned from Fuku there is no need to attack the actual nuclear power plants themselves. Just drop a few pylons supplying them with their external power, and they will Fuku very quickly thank you. Trivial, and utterly disastrous.

  • cosmic charlie cosmic charlie

    Destabilizing a country for the financial gain of the few is monstrous. So we can add Ukraine to the growing list. Syria, Libya, Iran, Iraq and more than I can count or want to.

    Back in the day, the late 60's and into the 70's, politicians who shilled for the MIC were called "war pigs". We can rightly call them that today I guess though more than a few of them were using those labels themselves 40 years ago.

    • Warmongers



      Now they are the 'heros' and brag about their exploits and how many helicopter loads of pallets full of money they got away with.

  • Mad_Scientists Mad_Scientists

    Other effects of the Ukrainian turmoil:

    [1] Building of Chernobyl’s nuclear reactor tomb delayed due to political turmoil

    [2] "THE SITUATION IN Ukraine has forced a life-saving cardiac surgery programme for children with ‘Chernobyl Heart’ to be suspended."

  • Homolumina Homolumina

    Look at this ! Are the rats leaving a sinking ship and the rest of us to deal with their aftermath ???

    Why Are Top Entergy Executives Selling Their Own Stock?

    Tuesday, GreenWorld broke the story of a recent pattern of stock sales by top executives at Entergy, the nation’s second-largest operator of nuclear power stations. The CEO, CFO, Chief Accounting Officer, and Senior VPs for Government Affairs and Human Resources have all sold large amounts of their stock in Entergy, with CEO Leo Denault unloading over 55% of his shares in December and CAO Alyson Mount selling 46% of hers on April 9.
    CFO Andrew Marsh and SVP for Government Affairs Kimberly Despeaux each sold over 20% of their Entergy stock in February. The insiders’ apparent lack of confidence in the corporation’s prospects contradicts a rosy 1st Quarter earnings report, also released yesterday, reporting higher than expected returns following an unexpectedly cold winter with unusual energy price spikes. (see link for complete article)

    • yep, put the effers in jail for stock trading violations.

    • lickerface lickerface

      This seems more like a way to quickly drive down the share price so they can buy back in at a lower price in an effort to obtain more shares. Oldest trick in the book.

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Pretty sure they will all be held liable for massive damages in the future… 🙂 They will be huge!

  • lickerface lickerface

    My apologies if this link was posted here somewhere, but read into the propaganda which is so blatantly crafted. They are making it appear as if it is common knowledge that Chernobyl is the worst nuke disaster and is of highest priority. They really try to drive hard this "fact" with crap like this:

    "It would seem that it is in everyone's interest to seal off the source of the deadliest nuclear accident in history."

    I read the supposed author's other works, like his recent one about smart meters and privacy concerns, and he takes a stab in the ending sentences at those who worry about the issue. I don't at all believe one person writes these pieces of propaganda, and that the media outlet is simply giving us a hint at the way they don't want us to think or live. The only reason I might keep up with what these sources say is because some very crucial info is there to be read between the lines. EneNewsers would get what I mean…

  • enoughalready45 enoughalready45

    Loss of offsite power, station black out. That is my bet.
    Experts say nuclear facilities at risk during a war…no shit Sherlocks.

  • Geezer1984

    So, could Ukraine's N-facilities be seen as a significant barrier to all-out war on their territory? Not here, I betcha! I never cease to marvel that the original atomic-energy mavens, brilliant as they were, couldn't see the un-utility and immorality of placing the power of the Cosmos in the hands of a species only a few thousand years descended from howling savagery. It was (and remains) roughly equivalent to placing a chamber-loaded .45 automatic (safety on, of course!) in a three-year-old's playpen. Worse, actually, since nobody I've read has offered a realistic scenario leading to prompt — or even eventual — removal of N-technology from society's collective grasp. Meanwhile, the loonies (i.e. "terrorists", bureaucrats, industrial tycoons, military commanders — you extend the list) continue to crow about the advantages of the power, control, social leverage (and of course medical benefits) conveyed through this Faustian bargain.

    Mebby our best bet, after all, is to read James O'Dea's "Cultivating Peace." No guarantee it'll help at all, of course, but it's at least elevating reading.

    Best to all.

  • Sol Man

    My hope is that all npp's will be safe everywhere, but we know that they are not. If any reactors are destroyed at any time what a diabolical way to make impossible the differentiating the radiation from that event to the Fukushima disaster, du drift, etc.
    And, sooner the entire world would be made uninhabitable.

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  • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

    The predictable chain of events in Ukraine is evidence of a scam between East and West to carve up credulous weaker nations, one by one.

    Putin gets strategic Crimea, the breadbasket in the steppes, and all the natural gas, as well as Ethnic Russian areas. The west gets a beggared western Ukrainian rump state run by duped, half-witted, nazi-fascists, and anglo-zionists.

    We can assume that the conflict is a farce until the Soviet-trained Ukrainian Army finally gets out of their barracks and either fights the Russians or fights the new government in Kiev. Without casualties in the thousands and the gas pipelines and nuclear power plants at issue, this process remains theater.

    Is pushing NATO a few miles closer to Moscow really worth that give away?

    What does the west get out of it? Syria? Russia's continued participation in oil price suppression?

    Or, is it such a terrible mistake that the voters should know who fire? Our bone-headed secrecy laws have been unconstitutionally applied to matters of political and public concern, depriving the electorate of information essential to a functioning democratic process.

    Garbage-in-garbage-out. Mushroom democracy: "keep them in the dark and feed them shit!"

    • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

      Or, is it such a terrible mistake that the voters should know who to fire?

    • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

      Eastern Ukraine is going back to mother Russia for mother's day.

    • zogerke zogerke

      To quote in part Alaskan ice….The west gets a beggared…state run by….nazi fascists and Anglo zionists.

      Well Alaskan ice, for that anti Semitic gem I will contribute a significant amount to a Jewish Israeli peace and justice organization and I will do so in your name, the name of Alaskan Ice on enenews.

      • SadieDog

        zogerke, i don't think Alaskan Ice said anything anti-semetic. There are jews that are not zionists and zionists who are not jewish. Zionism to me is not a religion. Ask Joe Biden.

        • SadieDog

          So… If Joe Biden says he's a zionist, and his son is double dealing in Ukraine energy right now, actually Alaskan Ice is spot on.

        • zogerke zogerke

          Sadie dog, we might respectfully disagree on the original I comment I made. How is part of Ukraine run by people who espouse Zionism, and who at the same time work collaboratively with, or espouse views of , nazis or neo nazis? The ideology is quite different….maybe AI can explain what he meant better. Anglo zionists are people with white skin privilege, who are usually Jewish (I know not all Jews are zionists), who support the state of Israel to exist…and there are several sets of degree of right and left wing opinions among zionists, especially about the West Bank, Gaza, settlements, and Palestinian statehood and autonomy. There is variation among zionists. Just look at 'peace now' and. 'Rabbis for human rights who fight for Palestinian justice. Not against it.. ' Nazis hold that Jews are the problem with the world, along with anyone with a birth defect, blacks, etc…and nazis are white supremacists who think they are part of a master race and that Jews must be wiped out to remove "contagion and pollution' …..So lumping them together as running the half state read to me really really weirdly.

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        to fair zogerke, you will have to donate a significant amount to the nazi fascists, since they were equally maligned. Kidding aside, I wonder if you donate to other groups, like the Irish?

        O'Connell was staggering home with a pint of booze in his back pocket when he slipped and fell heavily. Struggling to his feet, he felt something wet running down his leg.
        "Please, God," he implored, "let it be blood!"


          just pissed my pants, CodeShutdown…

        • zogerke zogerke

          Codeshutdown, aside from paying my US taxes, I do not, and never have, contributed to nazis or fascists of any stripes. And i never will. They tortured and killed, and continue to kill, my friends and neighbors and individuals near to my heart. They are killers of humans I love and have loved.

          I practice economic boycotts wherever i can and am discerning with my money spending as much as i can be. I am not in complete control, I know, but I do my best.

          Do you, code shut down, contribute money to nazis or neo nazis? Do you do so regularly? Who do you contribute towards?

          I also , when i can, contribute to this site. I interrupt racism, bullying, and trolls whenever I can. I will continue to do so regardless of how I am baited by other's defensiveness.

        • SadieDog

          Ok. Umm…
          Everyone have a safe and happy weekend! 🙂
          And don't forget WWJD, what would Jerry do?


        think you're ready, zogerke, for a true take on Zionism. And who better from than a Jew who's taken it upon himself to speak truth to power…

        Gilad Atzmon opines on "Orwell and the Jews"

        AS: having read this man's many insights on contemporary Jewish issues over the last few years, I've come to know there are true men of light in our midst. He eschews all double standards and most assuredly will be known someday as one of Israel's greatest sons. Anyone who's interested in getting-out ahead of these dark times is strongly advised to familiarize themselves with Atzmon's brilliant dissertations on fascist ideologies. His is a lone voice that speaks to universal truths…

        • zogerke zogerke

          We disagree.


            curious to what you disagree with, zogerke…

          • zogerke zogerke

            And having read what i have, i will continue to make donations in your name as well.


              that's very promising, zogerke. And in keeping with your unfettered generosity, allow me to direct you to more of his writings…


              • zogerke zogerke

                I have donated to Peace Now in Israel in the name of Alaskan Ice, Code Shutdown and Aftershock.

                And i will donate to Enenews in the name of the clear shared value we all have for the end of nuclear proliferation in all forms.

                i will not argue or be baited.


                  in keeping with your balanced sense of justice, zogerke, those who agree with every facet of your world view are "clear" in their thinking. Conversely, those you'd differ with are argumentative and baiting. So we're assured of safe passage as long as your views are held sacrosanct. Now if that isn't the most promising formula for human progress…

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  but…but…you didnt donate to the Irish, who were the ones I maligned! GO back…its the truth

                  I like your fervent spirit of justice….but by singling out jews as the only ones to donate your hard earned money, you thereby and undeniably make the other people worse and poor by comparison and thus commit reverse discrimination. That is why I am donating to the west bank Palestinians, in your name, as per the injustice imposed upon them by Israel, detailed by Noam Chompsky, a jew, (just so that I know Im not indiscriminately discriminating). Why not just get over it, and realize that everyone makes a judgement about everyone. I know you judge me…more than I judge you in fact. So you can donate to me…if you want to keep up the spirit of justice by remuneration.

                  • zogerke zogerke

                    code, i too donate to west bank palestinian peace efforts, and support folks who protect their (palestinian) homes, businesses and groves. there we are perhaps on the same page.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      glad to hear that zogerke

                      to move on…Im afraid that the injustice to individual groups…like Indians, Africans, jews and gentiles…has been far eclipsed by the injustice of the military/industrial/corporate machine and this injustice is the indiscriminate killing of all life forms… thats the context in which we now live. My friends have died…I feel effects…the ocean…

                    • zogerke zogerke


                      i am someone with a strong daily prayer practice. and when i connect and 'pray'/ commune/ meditate/ what ever you want to call it, and ground, &practice surrender, acceptance and love…: in the midst of love and splendour/ i see the damage present, and coming soon, to the human and earth creature genomes. and to me, this, killing of the future, may prove to be the greatest holocaust yet, far surpassing nazis, the middle passage, the long march, the inquisition, rwanda, armenia, more. For if we damage the genomes enough we kill our future. and then there will have to be another many set of millenia, more, millions of years, for the abundance of Gaia to come forth again in health…..

                    • Angela_R

                      "For if we damage the genomes enough we kill our future and then there will have to be another many set of millenia more,.."

                      Tell me zogerke do you think that within us, i.e. human beings, exists the survival instinct that would be necessary to weather the time you envisage would be needed to repair the earth and heal its people?

                      I look around me and already see many at
                      breaking point. Look at the devastation just in the Middle East, the chaos and add in these other factors

                      for me it does not matter, I have no need to wake tomorrow, but I want the wounded of today to know happiness, not misery.

                    • Angela_R

                      and I should have added that I have different concepts on how this eventuates

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Two can play at this..

    May 24, 2014 at 1:41 am ·
    Did you notice his mail

    05.22.14 UPDATE
    Subject: Fw: URGENT: Is Fukushima Burning?
    Date: 10:25 PM EDT, 05/21/14
    “mitsuhei murata”
    To: “Rima Laibow”
    Cc: “Ralph Fucetola JD”
    Dear Dr. Rima and Counsel Ralph,
    The responsible division at the METI has confirmed that
    Fukushima is not burning at present.
    They are looking into the cause of the fire
    shown in the video.
    I will stay in contact for further development.
    Best wishes,
    Mitsuhei Murata

    METI are looking into the cause of the fire.
    Tacit admission there was a fire?

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    This isn't for you ..weegokiburi..
    It's for whoever is posting the dating stuff..
    They are trying to swamp the board.

    • zogerke zogerke

      Heart since the fire we have been having more trolls come out of the woodwork.

      • clamshellernh clamshellernh

        @Z yes I would say it's a perfect time for them to be out , I picture them all sitting around with talking points and how best to seed them . And it's a perfect time to hone our skills at looking between the lines ..
        Have you seen what's happening in the ranks as far as kevin blanch goes …how is it that he's making money ?
        Dana has been very calming in the past few days and pretty succinct , I have to go see him after I watch kevin to calm down
        I will still watch his segments however .
        I will also add that when things get whipped up like they have divisions start forming , I've seen it in every activist group and we must use our heads to work around it .
        I love all you folks here ….
        Be blessed

        • zogerke zogerke

          Clamshell I have come to really respect your opinions and posts. I don't watch much video from any source so do not see Kevin blanch. Or Dana…..

          • clamshellernh clamshellernh

            I follow everything I can as I'm as concerned as the next folk . I am particularly concerned more so with the homeless community that I work with and the constant exposure to the elements , I was so whipped up last week with the fire thing and found myself helpless as to how to protect and teach ..

            The year that this happened many many shelters where full of folks with severe lung issues . They were calling it kennel cough , that's awful I know but shelters are too , it was very rainy in the northeast that year too . As I look back I make the connections , I was with occupy as well that year and out all the time the camp was there and there was a lot of sickness , but put a load of people together and that will happen too , we had a lot of radiation there just because of the nature of communication and folks were saying they felt we where getting intentionally dosed .. We didn't even know about fuku then . What a missed op .

            I'm going to get some face masks from the emergency rooms , I've put out the call for folks to grab as many as they can when they can …anything helps and it's a good way to get conversation started too ..

            Well I have to do some gardening before dark ..I am pulling myself from gadgets now .. See you all later .

            • zogerke zogerke

              Clamshell. Surgical loose fitting masks will protect from droplets, sneezes. If it is like kennel cough it might be an airborne illnes and you need an N95. Or better disposable filter respirator. You can snag them from hospitals or they are cheap in home despot or lowes or target or true value.

              Pay real close attention to hand washing. Be vigilant about hand washing and teach it to folks, can't stress importance of hand washing enough.

              • clamshellernh clamshellernh

                Thanks z for the tip , I'm on the trains every day too , and yes I have an herbal sray I made to disinfect because I hate that purell ..I'll send my recipes on the off topic forum for them and other things that may be of help , while I'm in the north east and we do have fuku signature in the seaweed as of 2012 (I have that link that was done by the sea vegetable council aka seaweed harvesters in Maine ) I feel I can use it to make some herbal supplements , I'll share my stuff I collect if someone send me a SASE ..I can make thyroid tinctures bla bla bla … And could send it dried to folks that have measuring devices , we could see how it compares and stockpile it ..the ocean is at my feet Atlantic ..also I started lemon balm plants for folks that want that too , stock comes to mind , I have some root cuttings too the root easy .. I'm still not in my shower ….I'll get back late tonight and continue on what we could do . So if anyone is interested please let me know .. What forum should I put this in ?? And z this sickness was in 2011 .. I can check the healthcare for the homeless and if they can share with me the reports from shelters and hospitalizations over the last few years and when upticks have occurred . Ho hum more for my list …


        not some deep conspiracy coming into play. Any site that develops any appreciable numbers ends up attracting hawkers. Just hit the Report Comment button and put "SPAM" in the comment field. Admin will likely take the offending crap down at their leisure. BTW. Since posting my dummy email address out here, you'd be surprised how may Nigerian widows I'm now sending money to…

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Kinda like retro-spamming.

  • weegokiburi weegokiburi

    Learn something new everyday**\*\(^o^)/*

  • voltscommissar

    Every SFP loaded with hot spent fuel is part of a Strangelove-ian Doomsday Machine that has slowly built up 'cos government regulations have not forced NPP owners to shift the poison to slightly safer dry cask storage. The huge cost involved would expose nuclear power as an utterly non-commercial form of corporate welfare. Just watch the opening scenes of Kubrik's "Dr Strangelove" and reflect on the parallels, then for God's sake put off-grid solar power on your roof, and begin the long fight back against the energy cartels, fossil and nukes.

  • ecoguy57

    READ URGENT! TEPCO has lied to the people of Japan and to the world about the true levels of radiation released into the atmosphere, ground and into the Pacific Ocean! TEPCO also continues to dump millions of gallons of radioactive waste into the Pacific Ocean nonstop every single day to contaminate the fish, ocean life and animals. There is now verified proof of DNA damage and mutations throughout the food chain and we humans are next to suffer! Experts recommend to commence detoxing with the natural mineral called zeolite that is proven to safely remove both radiation and heavy metals from the human body.This MUST Be Done to help prevent DNA damage that will cause disease and future ongoing mutations! For more quality information do an online search for the single word Zeolite.

    • The suffering has already started, it will just grow much larger and faster in about another year or so..

      4 years is when it REALLY starts taking off, on a more rapid downhill course.

      14,000 infants died in the US from Fuku, just in 2011, via peer reviewed study.