FORUM: What should be done about Japan burning radioactive debris?

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2,089 comments to FORUM: What should be done about Japan burning radioactive debris?

  • lam335 lam335

    Perhaps we could start by writing to our representatives/senators and demanding that the US 1.) put pressure on Japan to stop this incineration and 2.) help Japan find a less harmful way of dealing with their vast amounts of contaminated debris.


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    • admin

      Hopefully we can coordinate our demands to have a greater impact on the politicians.

      To all those who are concerned, please provide specific suggestions regarding:

      1) Who to contact
      2) How to contact them
      3) When to contact them
      4) What we are requesting they do


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      • westcoastgirl westcoastgirl

        Yes, I think we definitely should take action. It seems like there are enough people on this site and others to get together and do something about this. I wonder if it would be possible to contact a US official of some sort to say that it would affect this country also if they do this. Maybe point out the evidence of higher cesium levels in the milk already. Can’t the UN or some international organization forbid something like this from happening?

        I’m not good at organizing things, but if someone starts the process, I will gladly be on board.


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        • lam335 lam335

          I like your idea about mentioning the recent spike in CA milk. I was hoping Arnie Gundersen might announce some of his findings regarding rain fallout soon, but the increased cesium in milk provides at least some proof that cesium is continuing to accumulate.


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      • Sickputer

        One suggestion:

        http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact

        Short message to President Obama:

        Please persuade the Japanese government to halt incineration of radioactive waste. Our lives depend on your quick action!


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        • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

          @Sickputer

          I sent them a message. What exactly is the joke at the bottom regarding whether I am a human visitor? I don’t find anything laughable in our situation here. Quite the opposite. Maybe they like to watch us squirming?


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          • Whoopie Whoopie

            DONE! With exclamation marks!
            Enough is enough of the bullshit. The UN should be stepping up to the plate and telling them this is UNACCEPTABLE!


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          • Elenin Velikovsky Elenin Velikovsky

            N.P.–that has to do with verifying you are
            not a cyber-”Bot”, as they say, an electronic probe
            which is why all these hacking problems, viruses,
            computer espionage, etc. etc…


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          • It is not a joke, No Prevarication. It is a security check to make sure that you are a person, and not a massive network of hijacked computers (called a Bot-Net… as in RO-BOT). Hackers, including hostile foreign governments and big corporations use bot-nets to steal secrets from the U.S. Govt and from private citizens and businesses. Say they invent a new fuel cell in California: we don’t want it made by slave labor with stolen plans. So they need to check if you are a human with eyes looking at a screen.


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      • Whoopie Whoopie

        TACOMA CHECKED IN ON OTHER THREAD.
        She posted some great stuff.


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        • Wanted to touch base on this topic:

          Keep in mind that french and american airforce did atmospheric testing in early March.

          We knew without any doubt that harmful levels of radiation were heading to the united states west coast.

          However this same data in question was never disclosed to anyone in the general public.

          Thus my conclusion.
          The white house, nrc and iaea have hidden the data, from the general public without question…

          So who do you petition?

          Clearly you would start by petitioning your home state’s political parties. Requesting for an overview of the levels of dangerous particles in our food chain.
          Then in turn they would request to have permission from the federal levels of government to do such monitoring…

          However would they grant your requests to have independent monitoring research conducted by state. When they already know the levels?

          were attempting to ask for permission from the same agencies, that took away our radiation monitors? That to me shows the true nature of the situation. < –without a doubt any petition will be met with full disagreement, by any institution. as the findings, would likely harm their political stance on the crisis.

          yes we know we poisoned you. No we weren’t going to tell you…

          That should tell you petitions are wasting your time.


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          • now an international strike, and lynch mob…

            Thats a solution.

            Just my opinion…

            I mean really though your asking for permission to expose the fraud they imposed since day 1.

            What do you think they are going to tell you?


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          • Truth

            There is no solution when these in power will do nothing because we are all expendable. They feel that this does not effect them as they are protected by technologies that are also not available to the rest of the population. There are medical discoveries and science advances that have been classified about this. However, the greatest arrogance of man is that nature can be controlled. We are all in this together even if we pay today and they tomorrow. The sad news is – they will do nothing because they are distracted by the toys and power they are playing with.
            You are asking for children to grow up….


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          • Al-Chemisto

            I completely agree: ALL of the answers to the “petition the Oligarchs” are already in your grasp, but still you persist in the same course of action. The Real solution is not palatable. The Real solution ends the present way of life, the present system.

            That is unknown and scary and it seems that it will be hard. What is harder?: Dying Every Day Slowly or Living For an Instant or maybe much much longer in an Unknown way?

            Personally I think it is time to change the system and not for the same system aka Revolution (just turning in a circle), but a different system, that is not a system at all. :)


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          • Al-Chemisto

            by “you” in the above comment I address the ENE larger group, not TG whose stance on the effectiveness of governmental petition I agree with.


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      • radegan

        Offer the Navy to tow barges of burnables to the deepest nearby trench and sink them. A whole lot better than burning.


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    • pg

      with 90% of them being bought and paid for by the corrupt cartels in DC and the corrupt British elite, that will surely fall of big time deaf ears. Remember, the British put those reactors there in the first place. They placed them on a fault line, in a tsunami zone, next to one another. Almost like they wanted them to contaminate the USA when the EVENTUALLY went. The British are also forcing TEPCO to lie as they are.

      The only hope we have is to take control of our government, our military, the British government, then take control of Japan. From there get real solutions. Not slimy population reduction solutions. jmo


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  • Sickputer

    Nothing I read or hear about the Japanese government policies surprises me. They have long had a love affair with the “purifying” effects of fire for toxic waste and this proposal is not unexpected.

    The United States has twice as many reactors, and hundreds of low level incinerators of their own. We can’t really call the pot black when our hands have so much radioactive soot.

    Karma can be a bitch though and the fat ladies in the ground at Fukushima Daiichi may become an impediment to their transportation plans. October is looming as a month of destiny for Japan and whether the entire island chain will survive as livable habitat for humans. The government seems bent on killing their citizens with a Holocaust policy. But we will see if they really have the mindset and resources to pull off such an ambitious plan.


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  • Sickputer

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/thank-you

    I have made my request to Obama and I voted for him. Getting my vote next year will depend in whether he can break the chains of special interest groups.

    We need millions of emails to get any respect.


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  • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

    One more suggestion: Be at one of the protests against nuclear around the country tomorrow!! Go to:

    http://www.beyondnuclear.org/home/2011/9/27/coalition-against-nukes-national-rally-in-new-york-city-octo.html

    for current cities where protests are being held. Be there!!


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  • They regard themselves as aliens in their own world, a condition with which I am somewhat familiar.


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  • markww markww

    The Japanese Government should listen to alternative ideas and suggestions HERE some ideas as to getting rid of the waste instead of burning and releasing radiation all over the areas again including the smoke coming to America and the rest of the planet before no one is able to live and or the animals.

    FIRST- use concrete grain silos and on the outside use spray on lead paint and in the inside walls then you fill with radioactive materials and put a steel lead impregnated shield around the silos and at the bottom of the silo

    SECOND- you can make a recovery pit or a disposal pit off site lead line it and then plastic and other covers over the top to put in low level stuff then shield cover the top and then add crushed rock lead particles and sand and dirt. Give this to a engineer and see if this will work besides re radiating everything from the smoke and the ocean and the Americas and the rest of the world.

    THIRD Blow the PLANT up with NUKES stops all the radiation at one time and kills it instantly. Rather have this than years and years of killing everybody on the planet. So blow them up cause it is too late to bury since radiation is now underground


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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    Is it alright to post this here?
    Ministry of Education Admits to Plutonium in Iitate-mura in Fukushima
    http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/09/ministry-of-education-admits-to.html


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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    NEW TWEET!
    New Video just came out YESTERDAY
    (i missed it)
    Fukushima 50X Worse Than Chernobyl!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-9nM3tVeIs&feature=share


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  • dka

    I think that US should buy the wastes. If not, the radioactive clouds will fall on the US contaminating the land and the people. Health related costs will amount to a higher cost than buying the wastes directly. After that, the can be put in hole somewhere or burned on the East cost so the US does not receive the clouds, which are moving eastward and away from land.


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    • radegan

      So then theoretically, Europe would buy it from us to keep us from burning it, then they’d put it on their Asiatic borders so China would buy it and then they could start to burn it opposite Japan. Nuclear hot potato but think of the funds it would raise for a real cleanup and conversion to alternate power generation.


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  • dka

    Another thing, we should boycot Japanese products until Japan stops irradiating us.


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    • Bobby1

      How do we know that Japan isn’t shipping Fukushima beef to the US? Remember Hillary Clinton and her trade deal with Japan? How can you boycott something if you don’t that it is something you want to boycott?


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  • I hear that they are giving the contaminated food to africa…

    Maybe they could just send the debris there for recycling. To build public works, homes, and playgrounds?

    It seems to fit their previous history of operations…

    just saying…


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    • lam335 lam335

      I don’t see why they don’t just admit that Fukushima is uninhabitable and make that the dumping ground for all the contaminated material (which was, after all, contaminated by Fukushima’s reactors). Instead, they keep leading people on with the hope that they can go home–and they are in fact encouraging them to go home, when they know the place is not a healthy place to be for anyone. They need to swallow the hard truth that Fukushima should no longer be inhabited, admit that to its dispossessed residents, and store the contaminated stuff there–instead of continuing to spread more of it farther and farther across the island.

      I know they are saying it need not be evacuated to avoid paying compensation, but surely if you consider the long term big picture the costs will be far greater if they continue playing the foolish and self-destructive games they are currently playing. They need to cut their losses and admit to the people that they cannot go home, and make what is already the hottest spot in Japan the eternal resting place for all the rest of the contaminated material.


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    • There were entire apartment and commercial districts in Taiwan that were built from steel scavenged from used reactor parts. Contamination of the steel ‘re-bar’ with Cobalt 60 irradiated the residents causing numerous deaths, cancers, and other chronic illnesses. It was only discovered after people were sick and the authorities said it was just an illegal x-ray machine at a nearby dentist. A resident brought a geiger counter home to check and realized that every wall was emitting radiation.


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  • markww markww

    HERE IS ANOTHER SUGGESTION Take old WW-2 ships that are moth balled and unable to be used and make radiation container storage sites out of them re fit the ships to hold storage and re line the bottoms then take to some old island like the ones where bombs were dropped bikini atoll and store ships in lagoon areas till there is a way to get rid of the radioactive stuff.YUCCA mountain would also be a good place its totally protected by natural shielding. Course lots of people do not want to see that but There has to be a storage so the planet doesn’t get radiated by Fukushima.

    FOLKS we need real suggestions from people not just jokers, this is a real dangerous situation for the world….


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    • Elenin Velikovsky Elenin Velikovsky

      God Bless You, Mark.
      You sound like a can-Do engineer.
      Hell yeah, we can rig up some kinda some-thin…
      Yucca Mountain’s gonna be Under Water soon.
      But Yeah, man…..old ships….
      Now, this may sound like another joker….
      maybe we are going to be shown the Light about this,
      maybe one or two crucial bits of Knowledge are
      needed to Neutralize the Evil Radiation?
      Maybe the ET’s are coming to either Save Us, or
      disregard Us, because they want the plutonium,
      or maybe they Need this radioactive environment
      to “Terra-form” Terra to suit their Needs?
      How much education crosses the line into “weirdo”
      territory, Mark?
      We Rushed into this Chemistry-Physics-Technology,
      with little restraint. OOPS! Childhood’s End!
      Arthur C. muffukkin’ CLARKE!
      Odyssey:2061
      Childhood’s End
      It’s all these Brits, like Rudyard Kipling, showing that
      THEY are the Hindu Sages!


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    • radegan

      Not too many old WW2 ships available for that, but lots of old oil tankers. And as you say, those islands are already contaminated and uninhabitable.
      And it beats burning.


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  • We haven’t figured out what to do with radioactive waste in over 60 years, and now we are supposed to come up with a plan …
    Nuke reactors not a safe thought out reality,

    The time frame in question when dealing with radioactive waste ranges from
    10000 to 1000000 years, according to studies based on the effect of estimated …
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_waste

    Radioactive waste can be in gas, liquid or solid form, and its level of radioactivity
    can … of the complicated regulatory structure for dealing with radioactive waste. …
    http://www.epa.gov/radiation/docs/radwaste/


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  • The best way to dispose of nuclear waste is to turn it into rapidly-decaying isotopes that decay to produce stable isotopes (which are not radioactive). In that way, the waste could be reduced to only miniscule fractions of the original radioactivity in a hundred years or so (depending on what the longest lived isotope you would have to deal with would be). However, doing that requires certain kinds of nuclear reactors that are no longer being actively considered (at least in the United States).
    http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/phy99/phy99315.htm

    … doing that requires certain kinds of nuclear reactors …
    What kind of reactor ??? Anyone ???


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    • They mean various breeder reactors. It is a BAD joke of a technology. They only methods that they have devised to “treat” one kind of waste will produce more other wastes (many even more deadly than the original waste). The only way that this scheme works is in the “Plutonium Economy” pipe dream. This BIG LIE was intended to turn old fuel rods into more plutonium! problem solved… NOT! Then (get this) they SELL new plutonium and MOX reactors to the world and SELL the plutonium. Rest assured: this plan would mean MORE accidents, MORE subsidies for BIG NUKE, more pollution, more weapons proliferation, more chances for ‘dirty bomb’ materials getting to terror groups, MORE expensive power costs, more expensive for our federal budget, AND… it probably won’t even work.


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    • Misitu

      the rapidly decaying stuff produces more radiation in less time, sort of economics, more radiation in less time, issue solved pronto, or softer isotopes, takes longer, easier to live next to, etc. …

      yup fast bleeders


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  • americancommntr

    If they are going to burn it, why not try burning it with Brown’s Gas?

    If the discovery is correct, Brown’s Gas flame eliminates almost all radioactivity from a radioactive isotope.

    One now has to wonder about the Japanese. Has 20 years of China outcompeting them and taking huge chunks of their manufacturing business, made the Japanese less smart and industrious?

    Or are outside forces preventing them from using Brown’s Gas?

    Reportedly, in about 1766 an American gunsmith figured out how to make a cartidge-fed, repeating rifle. The idea never caught on and he was ignored. There was another inventor who came up with a machine gun around 1800. Same story with him. And there are whole books written on such things.

    Why, oh why, can’t the Japanese just be independent and inventive and take the Brown’s Gas discovery and just doggone employ it?


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    • This is not real. Brown’s Gas (as many snake-oil salesmen call it) is just oxyhyrdrogen… the same gas that welders used to use, the same gas that was once used in jewelry-making to melt platinum. It has no ability to eliminate, alter, or otherwise purify radioactivity. It ALSO does not allow you to run a car on water (the other false claim being hyped online about oxyhydrogen). I suppose you COULD burn material hot enough with it so that the radioactive material vaporized into the jet stream… but that is what they do now only at lower temps. The higher temperatures achieved with a brown’s gas flame would only help spread the pollution more easily to the U.S…. it would do NOTHING to reduce the dangers to us, and would actually increase the amount of pollution here by more efficiently getting the poison into the air.


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  • Kevin Kevin

    Bury it. That has been the long practiced way of hiding this problem with the least short term consequence. Its no answer, but there are no other answers until and unless new treatments are invented/released and/or applied.

    Second, Tacoma is closest to reality. Petitioning and writing and what not, well, you would be better off talking to your dog, at least you get results – a happy dog and a calming experience.

    I think an immediate effort to unite existing movements and advocacy groups is required. At an international level. Take for instance in the US. Currently you have a growing movement of protest originating from the occupation of Wall Street. Work to have them get behind them cause as they too are opposing ignorant, lying, out-of-touch elitists hell bent on destruction at everyones cost. The parallels are obvious the fight the same.

    Then a website with video/you tube capacity. Admin?

    Then a clear mandate of what the immediate demands are. Like, Truthiness in information released. I say truthiness cuz even that is better than the steady diet of bullshit and lies we are being fed now. And the fact is on much of this stuff they have no clue. However we would be better off with the straight goods at this point even if it is presented without editorial and for the consideration of those interested in order for people to make proper decisions with their lives and futures.

    Also, a note to industry hacks and agency insiders, liable damage control measures are not the prescription right now. Lifting evacuation orders and the myriad of never ending ridiculous tactics and strategies applied by legal minds to mitigate comphinsable circumstance is not the priority. Right action is.

    TBC….


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    • Erin

      Please sign to end nuclear energy in U.S.!

      Hi folks,

      I know this won’t help stop the burning of waste in Japan, but please consider signing this petition (below) at the White House site, asking the Obama administration to end nuclear energy here.

      Just 150 signatures will allow the petition to have a more prominent display on their site, and 5,000 signatures will get the White House to review the petition and respond. Info below:

      Dear friends,

      I wanted to let you know about a new petition I created on We the People, a
      new feature on WhiteHouse.gov, and ask for your support. Will you add your
      name to mine? If this petition gets 5,000 signatures by October 30, 2011,
      the White House will review it and respond!

      We the People allows anyone to create and sign petitions asking the Obama
      Administration to take action on a range of issues. If a petition gets
      enough support, the Obama Administration will issue an official response.

      You can view and sign the petition here:

      http://wh.gov/4HA

      Here’s some more information about this petition:

      End the use of nuclear energy in the United States.
      The best available science has taught us that radioactive substances are
      extremely hazardous to human health. Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, the
      ongoing crisis in Fukushima, as well as recent U.S. nuclear accidents can
      leave no doubt — nuclear energy is neither safe nor clean. Please end the
      use of nuclear energy, and use the funds currently invested in advancing
      nuclear power to support safer alternatives, such as wind and solar.

      As always, many thanks to all of you here at enenews for helping to bring the truth about nuclear energy to light!

      Warm regards,
      Erin


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  • shaktasna999

    Japan will not exist in 2014 so there are no worries for them. The rest of the world, such as it is, might want to petition their own countries about what sort of reimbursement they will be giving their citizens for the cancers they’ll be enduring.


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  • livelife

    An alternative to burning could be to build plants that utilize industrial shredding machines, like those used to shred cars, utilizing magnets and sensors to separate out metals, wood, cloth, whatever. The waste can then be compacted & bundled, shipped and buried deep within the earth. Since there are many Japanese cities that are contaminated, they should be cordoned off and used for that purpose. The buildings housing the machinery can have air filters to capture what dust is created from the shredding process and returned to be properly disposed of.

    It’s a shame that this is happening, and that the world governments do not appear to be working together to solve this problem. With the USA being the world superpower, I don’t understand how our government is not proactive in helping to remedy this situation. Instead they want to fight wars, wars which I for one, did not sign up for!


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    • Terranigma1 Terranigma1

      All they do is fight wars. Was there ever a time that the U.S. did not engage in war(s)? Do you believe that a killing machine would care about anybody’s welfare?


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    • Lil

      I think your idea is the most constructive so far. Make a petition to be sent to all our legislative members.


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    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @livelife

      That’s a creative answer, but I say no more half-measures, temporary fixes, do a little now and leave the consequences for posterity to deal with. Recognize that there is no safe disposal of nuclear waste and DECOMMISSION all nuclear plants beginning now. Unless and until we reach that decision, we are spinning our wheels. Once a clear decision has been made to decommission we can focus on what to do with all the already accumulated nuclear waste. By the way, decommissioning would create many jobs that would last a loooong time.


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  • Mauibrad Mauibrad

    This is an international crime. Something must be done now to stop the waste burning of the radioactive material.


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    • Kevin Kevin

      Precisely! We need an international lobby to pressure Japan to change course on this decision. Maybe Uncle Arnie could provide a list of relevant organizations and agencies as well as contacts in order to rally support for such an initiative.


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      • Terranigma1 Terranigma1

        Well, for one thing, you need an Uncle Arnie or some informed celebrity/famous spokesperson to represent you. He/she needs media access as well.


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        • Kevin Kevin

          On the original thread that existed prior to this discussion forum, which I believe gave rise to this thread, I stated that one place to start would be to work into the existing protest agenda that has evolved from the wall street protest. You will notice that they have resisted using the traditional means of messaging and relying on stardon to push it. I think a strategic alliance with that growing civil upheaval would address the concerns you raise.


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  • Mauibrad Mauibrad

    BTW, Whoopie, hope you don’t mind my using your avatar.


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  • larry-andrew-nils

    what should be done about japan burning waste till 2014?…

    an application for an extension should be filed in order that they may burn waste into 2016.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    There you are!! Were your ears burning Larry?


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  • larry-andrew-nils

    no… did the gyger counter arrive?


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  • larry-andrew-nils

    i’m going to go risk a hamburger.

    it’ll be less radioactive today than it will be tomorrow. i ordered it from the store and i’m going to go pick it up now.

    wish me luck.

    i’ve been eating too much hemp protien powder and hemp oil.

    need old fashioned hamburger yum yum eat good like the chernobyl guys.

    that gyger counter should be within one more month i bet… i hope sooner. fun will be had.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Good one Kevin! “I’ll have a Mc Rad,…with some cesi-YUMmmmmm fries, please!


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  • mornam

    I think we need a worldwide effort to stop this burning of radioactive materials because it will affect us all in the end. I’m in Australia and suggest that Australians email the Prime Minister Julia Guillard. Her website is easy to find on the net.


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  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    The Japanese government should be tried for war crimes. TEPCO should not even be allowed on the UN human rights committee, much less be allowed to chair this committee.


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  • tony wilson

    things just repeat..
    folks we are on a slow ride too the slaughter house.
    with oblimey obama nobel prize winning cia trained puppet with a nice smile driving the truck.

    Major General Smedley Butler one of the most decorated us marines in history.

    war is a racket,this is just another form of warfare.

    “I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”


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  • lam335 lam335

    Admin,

    Perhaps a good person to start with would be Rep. Edward Markey of Massachusetts. He seems to be one of the few members of Congress who pays attention to nuclear issues and speaks out against NRC negligence, etc. On the other hand, it might be worthwhile to send letters to as many representatives, senators, perhaps even governors as possible since that might increase our odds of persuading at least a few of them to pay attention. I’m not sure who else, but I think Rep. Markey might be one of the most likely to pay attention and at least look into this matter further.

    Regarding what to request, if our government is going to insist that the Japanese stop incinerating stuff, it probably needs to provide them assistance in disposing of the piles of contaminated debris in some other way (I don’t know enough to know what other options there might be to recommend something specific). Likewise, the contamination of both Japan and the US won’t end until the situation at Fuku is gotten under control, so I think we need to demand that that our government take a more active role in helping them bring the crisis at the plant to an end. I don’t know that we are in a position to propose specific alternatives because we don’t know what kinds of resources, equipment, expertise our government might have available. I just know that, based upon what we can see, our government appears to be doing nothing and simply acting as if the problem doesn’t even exist.

    I believe starting with Obama is a waste of time. Several nuke companies were among his biggest campaign contributors in 2008, and they continue to have very close ties to his administration. He also wants to deflect attention away from fallout in the US b/c if people panicked and were afraid to buy US food, that would adversely impact the economy (which is already bad), and state of the economy (actually, people’s perception of it) is the single biggest factor determining the re-election of incumbent presidents.


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  • Sickputer

    “waste of time for Obama”

    Even the Pharaoh’s heart was softened… and he does have children who have to breathe the same air.


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    • lam335 lam335

      True, but then the Pharoah didn’t have to stand for re-election with very low poll numbers–and I think there was a bit of Divine intervention in that case too. Unfortunately, God seems to be leaving human beings to deal with this mess on their own, and so far we (the entire planet, not just the US) appear to be without any leaders willing to say and do whatever is necessary to resolve this crisis.

      I keep hoping something will “turn” Obama’s heart, but its been six months already and now they are finding plutonium and strontium 50+ miles from Fukushima and a new increase in cesium was just discovered in West Coast milk. What will it take for the executive to realize that protecting and defending the US does not only (or even primarily) mean dropping bombs in Libya? We are being exposed to an unprecedented environmental threat that is tainting our air and our food, and it will persist in our farmlands for generations. The EPA is an EXECUTIVE BRANCH agency, and they decided to stop even looking for stuff very early on.

      What more will it take for Obama to acknowledge that there is a problem? Do we need to start finding plutonium and strontium in the U.S. too? (We won’t, because they have chosen not to even look for it). Do we have to wait until he is securely re-elected? Will he finally choose to act if and when he has been sworn in for four more years (or will he still have an eye on post-presidency sources of income that will continue to inhibit him from acting)? At a certain point, a change in course becomes impossible for Obama because it raises the question of WHY he let things continue going on for so long and getting so bad before he finally decided to act.

      By all means, try writing to him. Maybe you can reach him–but I’m not getting my hopes up about Obama.


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      • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

        “Do we have to wait until he is securely re-elected?”

        Don’t even entertain that thought. He placed our children and grandchildren at risk. No apology or change of course can compensate for that. He has to GO!


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        • StillJill StillJill

          “B.O.’s GOTTA GO!” PeeeYewwww


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          • Kevin Kevin

            Yeah, well I share the disappointment with BO however, who will replace him? That is the concern with the recent uprising in the US. Who will corral it? What will be the result? We have seen in other jurisdictions around the world that have “revolted” that very little has changed as a result. Its time to think past the politicans and focus on the policy and effective ways of ensuring that the a decent policy frame work wont simply be promised but also delivered. This is precisely the issue with the downfall of Obama.


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        • lam335 lam335

          I am still annoyed by the fact that he took his entire family down to Brazil at the very time that the plume was expected to pass over North America. In human terms, that’s perfectly understandable, but when the commander-in-chief decides to just ignore the fallout hitting his country and the people are simply told not to worry (but not given any information), while he simultaneously packs up his family and takes them to South America, it does send a problematic message.

          You shouldn’t worry about this (but I am) = The health and well-being of my family matters more than the health and well-being of yours


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    • StillJill StillJill

      Yes,…but even Pharaoh DID NOT act,…until his eldest son also died during passover,….Hint, hint, the angel of death DID NOT pass over Pharaoh’s house!


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  • dpl dpl

    you can disassociate matter with gamma radiation and neutron beams however the energy levels are very high and the source for the rays is exotic /alien. Beams can be generated with sufficient energy from nuclear detonations but our efforts have been focused on weaponry. Projects at LLNL in waste remediation have been cancelled in favor of spending the money on more efficient ways to kill your fellow man.


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  • dpl dpl

    another method to render hazardous waste into stable useful elements is by transmutation. this is weird science and since we are not allowed to speak of things without valid scientific basis in theory it can be considered of no practical use. someday perhaps but for now if the big dogs play with nuke fire you get the radioactive fleas and no flea collar for you ,bitches.


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  • Nigwil

    Oh really!
    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20990-fukushimas-radioactive-sea-contamination-lingers.html

    Last paragraphs read:

    “Meanwhile there was good news this week from Fukushima-Daiichi itself. TEPCO reported on Wednesday that for the first time since the disaster on 11 March, the temperatures of all three of the most severely damaged reactor units had fallen below 100 °C – a key step towards the goal of cold shutdown, which will effectively mothball the reactors for good.

    The final reactor to fall below 100 °C was unit 2, the source of much of the leaked water in April.”

    Could that just be because all the fuel has fallen out the bottom and is metres away from the temperature probes? Those things that used to be called reactors are now like sieves – the temperature indications are indications of nothing but the ongoing attempts to spin the story – to make it sound like a slightly damaged car. A few weeks in the panel beaters and she will be ready to run again. NOT!


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  • It is amazing that with these developments solar energy stocks are being traded down to zero in the last couple of months. A war is being waged. Can we do something?

    Can you imagine a future where all the existing political arguments no longer exist? In a future when people and businesses are relying on the sun for its energy the human population will no longer be arguing over resource access. Threats to sea life and plant life and human life from wars and from accessing hard to get fossil fuels resulting in environmental degradation will be a concern of the past. Our nation instead will turn to new urgent concerns such as health and education with plenty more financial resources from the dramatic savings in energy expenditures to pay for them. Relationships between countries and our fellow countrymen will transform dramatically more positive.
    Solar technology and other clean energy technology is here and ready for explosive growth. With the full backing of our political leaders we can quickly move forward towards a better existence. Please join me in petitioning our leaders in Washington to devote more investment spending in the area of clean energy. Thank you.

    http://www.signon.org/sign/increase-government-support.fb1?source=c.fb&r_by=548645


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  • I believe the reason no government is doing anything is because the various governments real mandate is to preserve the economy, not preserve human life.

    Burning nuclear waste is primitive but cheap. Avoiding evacuation, continuing to rely on contaminated food, minimizing radiation danger etc etc are ways to keep the population engaged in the economic system that keeps the privileged few in power. This goes beyond Japan as real estate on the west coast of Canada and USA can be the most expensive on the continent. Imagine thousands of people leaving the west coast to live in the desert? Nobody buying California produce or milk? Not good for the economy

    The best way to kick them in the bum is to boycott anything nuclear and anything Japanese and anything or anyone supporting nuclear or Japan.

    Today the economy serves the elite not the general populous. Jobs are scarce and prices are high. Peoples standard of living is crumbling as only the older people realize. When I was a boy most families owned homes, cars, and had vacations on one income. Its the economy that needs changing not the political system.


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  • lam335 lam335

    re: incineration

    I know people are legally allowed to burn so-called low-level radioactive waste in the US, but I think they are supposed to have in place a filtration system that will capture almost all of the radioactive ash, etc., so it doesn’t escape into the atmosphere. But when Gundersen discusses the incineration occurring in Japan, it sounds as though much of the cesium, etc. is in fact going back out into the air (though he never actually says that they are not filtering it). Has anybody seen any articles that address this question? I am wondering if the Japanese are just incinerating their radiation-contaminated debris in regular garbage incinerators, rather than in incinerators specially designed for radioactive waste that are capable of catching all the nasty stuff in the ash and smoke. Has anybody seen any articles that explicitly discuss this fact?


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    • Hot Tuna Hot Tuna

      I think there is very little information about this, but for what it’s worth, here’s what I think. During the time from about April to Sept, they were mostly using the high temp incinerator at Daichi 2-5 times a week. I think they were burning everything including the sludge from R1 with some corium mixed in as well. Nothing has been designed that can really filter this junk, and then there were small explosions etc, which which blew a lot of radioactivity directly into the atmosphere maybe destroying the ‘filters’ at the same time.


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    • lam335 lam335

      The reason I ask is that I have begun writing a letter about this, but I am having trouble. I find myself simply asserting that because they are burning this, it is spreading farther, but a reader who knows about the legal incineration of so-called low-level stuff in the US might not be persuaded by my claim since they might believe that what the Japanese are doing is no different from what the US allows, and they might believe that that is safe because it is (supposedly) not released back into the environment.

      It would help if we had more info on how what the Japanese are doing is different from what US law allows: Are they just using regular trash incinerators that are not designed to prevent contaminated smoke/ash from escaping into the atmosphere? Or are they just burning stuff that is so highly contaminated that it overwhelms whatever filtration system they do have in place?

      I personally do not think ANY radioactively contaminated matter should ever be incinerated, but as long as it is officially deemed a “routine” and “safe” method of “processing” this stuff in the US, it might be hard to convince US politicians that what Japan is doing is somehow more of a threat than what our own law allows. Japan is not only burning contaminated crops, etc.–they have mountains of debris from the tsunami that has been contaminated as well. A politician might agree with them that burning those massive piles of stuff is the only way to deal with them.

      For these reasons, more information on how what they are doing differs from what our law allows would enable one to make a stronger/more persuasive case that our politicians should act to try to stop them.

      As I recall, one of AG’s videos says that, by mixing materials, they are burning stuff that is more highly contaminated than what US law would allow. Is it simply too much for the filters to handle? Or are there no specialized filters (i.e., designed to trap radiological contaminants) on these incinerators at all?


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  • What about burning leaves and brush here in the USA? It’s a proven fact we have fallout. (ie… cesium-137 in our milk.) So, if it’s in the milk then it’s most likely on the underbrush and fallen leaves that Americans tend to burn during the fall season. Thus, making the radionuclides airborne again.

    Like starting ‘prescribed’ forest fires here in California. They have been all summer and are continuing to do it right now.

    Here’s my original long comment regarding this from way back in August, 2011. (I tried.)

    http://enenews.com/basically-recreating-fukushima-all-again-clouds-radiation-continue-across-pacific-northwest-video/comment-page-1#comment-122495

    Maybe this year it would be a prudent, not to mention being nice to your neighbors downwind , to refrain from burning things which have been exposed to rain.


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    • lam335 lam335

      I was just thinking the same thing last night when I went out and could smell a fireplace or something burning nearby–a new thing to worry about that I hadn’t previously thought of before.

      I read your post from August. I also struggle with when I should speak up and to whom because I too have found that people don’t take me seriously when I raise such concerns. Nobody in my family does–even though we have small children in our family. Even their parents think I am just being paranoid when I raise concerns about food or milk or outdoor activities. When I do speak up, people either smirk or chuckle and say something like “I think we’ll be okay,” as if they inwardly feel pleased with themselves because they know they are more rational and realistic than I am. I don’t understand the psychology of it. Especially if you have small children–if it is possible to find food packaged (or harvested) before mid-March, why wouldn’t you stock up on that and try to only feed that to your kid just to be safe? Even if it turns out later on that food produced later would have been okay (if testing were eventually done), there’s no harm done. Why take the chance?

      Considering how this stuff could potentially impact one’s health, I would think in the absence of certain knowledge of where it is/what it’s in, the rational thing to do would be to take whatever precautions you can to minimize possible exposure. But most people instead simply shrug their shoulders and assume everything’s fine (or simply don’t even think about it at all). How is that more rational?


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      • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

        @lam335

        I have found that those who aren’t willing to believe what is happening have one thing in common: they get their news from television, not the internet.

        When I tell them that what little news is presented on MSM news is purposely falsified, and/or distorted and that most serious news is actually omitted, they don’t agree. It would mean they would have to reexamine their whole world view and they are not willing to do that. For them, it would be an admission that their government only represents interests other than their own and that is truly scary for them.

        Additionally, when I point out that only approximately 5% of the evening news is “news” and that most of what they are seeing is weather, sports, and frivolous, irrelevant fluff, they begin to get angry (at me, not MSM). They think I’m insulting their intelligence (and perhaps I am, but not deliberately).

        A perfect example was a recent news blurb about the winners of the Nobel Prize for medicine. They said three scientists would share the prize for medicine this year and then only gave the name of one of them. I think the newscasters are actors, not graduates of any college of journalism (at least I devoutly hope not with such sorry standards). MSM news is a bad joke.

        IMHO, the best thing anyone can do to help these people is to join the protests now ongoing around the country. We will never be taken seriously until the majority of us refuse to accept the status quo any longer.


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        • In light of your disclosure, i asked an alaskan if they had taken precaution towards the march – april fallout…

          His direct reply was… No. I didn’t have to worry about that…
          The radiation was too diluted…

          Twitter:
          Radiation hitting the west coast is so diluted its actually a cure for its self.

          That was a direct tweet addressed by a promotions agency literally a million times a day…

          Its no wonder why people feel offended.
          They are too simple minded to ascertain information of this nature…

          I often feel that I am either A. Radiophobic, or B. very intelligent…

          I feel sorry for those that choose to be blissfully unaware. They will be the first to break down. While I continue to provide myself with the tools I need for survival.


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        • and the joke is real. people have no ide they have been programmed from day one

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCKLqkKBRsM


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  • Elenin Velikovsky Elenin Velikovsky

    am335, NoPrev, Tacoma…
    We will Face a lotta stuff…
    Even under the best winter conditions,
    a place in Oregon which will blow your nice
    visions of “The Great Northwest”…is the Medford
    area, and other river-valley towns nestled between
    ridges. Under the normal, spoiled-rotten American
    conditions, I have been there in December, with some
    35,000 Wood Stoves cranking out that wonderful
    Carbon monoxide and other goodies, often trapped
    to the ground by the inversion layer, choking and
    blinding the traffic.
    Now, whatta we gonna face, with the Electricity
    cut OFF? Like, for the foreseeable Future?
    That is What we face, when one extrapolates one’s
    Mind into the logical sequence of Events now happening.
    A “Cascade” of failures awaits us, some of which will
    be nearly instantaneous in the form of the
    KA-WHAMBO-BAMBO Quakes which we assuredly will
    witness. No More POWER. So What did you PREP for,
    with your Hand-Grinder to make Meal out of your
    stored grains? No? Got even One way to Purify Water?


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  • selfsovereign

    If browns gas can be DEMONSTRATED to be worthless, than lets move on.
    They did give the guy a patent,eh?

    Take a reading off americium from smoke detector…….

    Burn it for 5 wee minutes………….

    Take another reading…………..

    MYSTERY SOLVED.

    Since japan is gonna burn it all ANYWAY, it would be shameful(or typical?) to be dissmissive of this information without first verifying it using INDEPENDENT sources of corroboration.

    Browns gas would be a very easy one to disprove.

    Unfortunately, its even easier to dismiss.

    heres some of their data on transmutating glowing stuff into non-glowing stuff.
    http://pacenet.homestead.com/Transmutation.html


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  • Elenin Velikovsky Elenin Velikovsky

    sovereign…
    A Thrill of Hope
    The weary Soul Rejoices
    for yonder breaks
    a new and Glorious Dawn…
    ….
    Brown’s Gas, eh?


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  • KarlyB

    Please sign this petition to open the discussion on stopping the spread of radioactive waste around Japan. Written in English, Japanese, Italian, French and German. Please share it with your friend. We need 10,000 signatures.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?hl=ja&formkey=dEdnTWt1eHRIM0lCOGpNT0FhRzRSZWc6MQ


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  • Japan, France to cooperate on nuclear safety

    The prime ministers of Japan and France have agreed to cooperate in improving the safety of nuclear power plants.

    Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda met French Prime Minister Francois Fillon in Tokyo on Sunday.

    They agreed on the importance of strengthening the safety …

    http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/politics.html


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  • Local gov’ts struggle to secure radioactive waste sites amid residential opposition; survey
    Local governments’ efforts to decontaminate radioactive materials emitted by the nuclear disaster at the Fukushima No.1 nuclear plant are now in motion, but progress is hindered by an unresolved question — where to store and dispose of contaminated soil and waste?
    A Mainichi Shimbun survey, conducted from late September through mid-October, covered a total of 171 municipalities in eight prefectures affected by the ongoing nuclear crisis, with responses from 162. The survey highlights the distance between …
    http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20111024p2a00m0na015000c.html


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    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @xdrfox

      The genie is out of the bottle in Japan and cannot be got back in. There is no safe place to store radioactive waste once it has accumulated. One may move it around, but, come rain, snow, fog, it slithers or slides along wherever it wishes to go and man is powerless to stop it.


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      • Here is the height of desperation and not thinking things through !

        xdrfox
        October 26, 2011 at 9:07 pm
        Burn Radioactive Soil: New “Decon” Experiment in Iitate-Mura

        The Japanese government has just started a new experiment in the very highly contaminated Iitate-mura in Fukushima Prefecture where the soil contamination exceeds 50,000 becquerels/kg of radioactive cesium, with a host of other nuclides including strontium and neptunium which has since decayed into plutonium.
        What’s the experiment? To burn the radioactive soil to reduce the …
        http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/10/new-decon-experiment-in-iitate-mura.html


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  • Municipalities reluctant to host storage facilities for contaminated waste
    Nearly half of the municipalities that need to decontaminate radioactive materials emitted by the nuclear disaster at the Fukushima No. 1 Nuclear Power Plant refuse to accommodate interim storage facilities for contaminated soil and waste, a Mainichi survey has found.
    The Mainichi Shimbun survey, conducted from late September through mid-October, found that many municipalities are reluctant to host such mid- and long-term storage facilities and to accept contaminated soil and waste from other municipalities. In particular, over half of the municipalities …
    http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20111024p2a00m0na012000c.html


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  • Sickputer

    “If you burn your yard rather than mow it, you might be a redneck, says comedian Jeff Foxworthy”

    If you burn your nuclear waste rather than bury it, then you are a Japanese zombie official.

    http://www.naturalnews.com/033916_top_ten_signs_zombie.html


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  • thelili

    @Sickputer, If Japan refuses to name which govts agree to accept waste then I will assume all of them are doing it until someone speaks up and says different.

    I don’t think Japan is going to be around in 2014 if the earthquakes increase in severity.


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  • Sickputer

    BTW…at the risk of beating a dead horse and perhaps this should be a new thread (How to Stop the Continuing Radiation Disaster in Japan)…it occurs to me that when an infected limb is beyond saving you cut it off. When an infected organ is beyond saving you remove it. When gangrene threatens the whole body you remove the contaminated parts before it kills the entire organism.

    If Superman existed he would fly down and cut out the island and hurl it into the sun. Since Clark Kent is a DJ (or rock band) the only excising option left is physical earthman removal of the island into the Pacific Ocean. Mother Ocean can absorb the monster better than the clouds.

    My idea is three stages. First is to remove the spent fuel that has not yet been incinerated. Amass a fleet of transport tankers offshore and use remote controlled small beach craft to carry fuel rods into the tankers. The loaded tankers would then steam to the deep ocean and be scuttled. This is a priority because if the entire plant becomes engulfed from a China Syndrome explosion, then the entire Northern Hemisphere becomes the next Japan. Suicide workers will be needed to dig out the fuel rods in the basements and ponds and on the plant grounds…many more workers than at Chernobyl. This stage needs to be done by early spring.

    Second stage after all possible fuel rods ruins are dumped in the deep ocean…underground horizontal wells are dug and and shaped neutron bombs sever the entire island into the ocean. Ships loaded with borax dump millions of tons of borax into the ocean to help settle the radioactive particles.

    Third stage…the radioactive waste they are currently burning is also dumped into the deep ocean. No more incineration permitted.

    Cost of this venture….20 trillion dollars. Contributions mandatory from every nuclear country in the world. It will be a World War III effort against an enemy that is a native born alien and very hostile to humanity.


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  • lam335 lam335

    I wrote a letter and have sent it to several senators, and I’m going to send it to my district’s representative tomorrow. I sent it mainly to members of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations (which incidentally has a subcommittee on East Asian and Pacific Affairs and another with a very long name that includes International Environmental Protection). The House also has a Committee on Foreign Affairs. My thinking is that these are the most appropriate people to target since the problem concerns what Japan is doing and how that is adversely affecting the U.S. (and Canada and, of course, Japan’s own people)

    I am going to post below a copy of the letter I sent in case it might be helpful to others who are trying to write letters. The more letters they receive, the better, though its probably better if we all write our own versions of such letters; otherwise, they might just view it as a form letter and dismiss it. They need to see that many Americans are concerned enough about this issue to be writing letters about it. My original letter had a lot of footnotes, but I am just posting the body of the text. My letter is somewhat long, so I will probably post one paragraph into each comment box.


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  • lam335 lam335

    Dear Senator/Representative ______:

    It’s been seven months since a massive earthquake and tsunami triggered an unprecedented triple melt-down at Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. Although this story has receded from the headlines, the crisis that began back in March is far from resolved. Most troubling of all, the release of radiological materials into the environment did not stop with the explosions and fires that occurred last spring. The continued detection of relatively short-lived radioactive iodine is just one piece of evidence that the reactors’ molten fuel is periodically continuing to fission—with the result that still more radioactive materials are being released every day. In addition, “hot-spots” with alarmingly high levels of cesium have been detected as far away as Tokyo, roughly 150 miles away from the damaged plant. There have also been troubling reports of steam coming up from the ground around at least one of the reactors, an indication that its molten fuel has melted through the floor of its containment and may be nearing the groundwater underneath—a scenario with potentially cataclysmic consequences. The longer this plant remains out of control, and the more radioactivity it spews into the environment, the worse this disaster’s health implications will be for the United States as well as Japan.


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  • lam335 lam335

    Dire as the situation at the plant is, the Japanese government’s response to the Fukushima crisis is making things even worse—not only for Japan, but for the United States (and beyond) as well. Confronted with massive (and ever-growing) piles of contaminated waste, Japan’s government has chosen to have this material incinerated at garbage disposal facilities across the country—and they project that this incineration will continue until the spring of 2014. While ostensibly only allowing the incineration of wastes contaminated up to 8000 Bq/kg, they are in fact permitting the incineration of materials contaminated at much higher levels by allowing processors to average together the contamination levels for multiple materials burned simultaneously. According to nuclear engineer Arnie Gundersen, this policy means that material contaminated with 24,000 Bq can be incinerated as long as it is combined with other materials that are not contaminated.


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