FORUM: What should be done about Japan burning radioactive debris?

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  • bf9 bf9

    Interesting they're confident enough to leave part or all of R1's roof off while attempting the removal of the large debris (console, right?) from #3.

  • califnative califnative

    Hi bf9 it's actually a 35 ton fuel handling machine!

    http://fukushima-diary.com/2015/07/tepco-to-start-removing-the-largest-debris-from-reactor-3-pool-worker-the-most-dangerous-process/

    On 7/25/2015, the former Fukushima worker “Happy11311″ posted on Twitter that Tepco is going to start removing the largest debris from SFP 3 (Spent Fuel Pool of Reactor 3) on 2nd August. “Joint communications” published the news followed by other mass media but Tepco has made no official announcement on their website.

    Joint communications reported that the debris to be removed weighs 20 t, but “Happy11311″ commented on Twitter that it is the 35 t of fuel handling machine. He added this is one of the most risky processes in decommissioning of Fukushima plant as fuel removal from SFP 4 (Spent Fuel Pool of Reactor 4).

    Need English translation: http://www.tepco.co.jp/news/2015/images/150715c.pdf

    • bf9 bf9

      Ah that's right…that other "c" word. I was just testing you. 😉

      There's up to 95% humidity with a forecast of precipitation at the plant so let's see what happens with the removal operation as well as the gaping hole in R1 if the fog lifts.

  • jec jec

    CAM1 view shows the open roof panel area of Reactor 1 with a gold/yellow emission rising up out of the building and drifting towards the SW. The right side of the screen is showing bright spots/areas over near Reactor 3. CAM4 shows a blue glow on the left side of screen near the Reactor 1 vent stack area.

    Futabagun webcam shows wet roads and and a large greenish glow. A domb of light is over the entire plant. Looks like a set for 'Creature from the Black Lagoon.' Chilling. The time 20:45 07-28-2015 or nearmidnight at Fukushima.

  • jec jec

    Unit 1 or Reactor 1 (the CAM1 view) 'air flow blocking door' completed 7.27.2015 (thanks to fukuleaks.org) must not be working well..or the 'air' is not the problem. There is a definate golden glow seen thru the open roof area–and some particles coming up and drifting in the air. The color maybe just reflections of ?? lights?? or ???, but the particles are there along with pixels.

    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

      Yes, the 'golden' color is the result of the high intensity lighting from across the road/work area. The color of the fabric is off-white, it also gives the strange glow on the north side, you can see the support 'skeleton' underneath.

      Speaking of bright lights and pixilation, best to remember cams can have a very hard time converting all the info. What you see, is not always real. The cam is only so accurate, better cam, better quality. They can get all sorts of distorted imaging.

      It is especially difficult when shooting bright light reflection at night, and cam1 has it in loads. Pixels dancing all around are not accurate, and the color may not be as well. Even JNN has much trouble, look at the black/nighttime sky, it will dance all around with blue, purple, all kinds of colors. It is not accurate, and its extreme telephoto adds to the problem.

      Cam1 also has a 'glitch' that causes it to 'jump' or reset something in its conversion process. It is most notable for my eyes in daylight, looking at the side of R2. It dances around wildly, and every 5-20 seconds the frame 'jumps', as if it is trying to reset/correct something. It is continuous. The sky does the same, just not as noticeable.

      Anyway, some things I notice when watching. 😉

  • jec jec

    JNN webcam shows heavy yellow 'filter??' but also the best view of Reactor 3 skeleton I have ever seen. TEPCO is busy tonight…cranes there. I think the skeleton look is appropriate.

    • jec jec

      Working at REactor 3 twenty four hours a day makes sense..once the lift or removal has started. Have to keep working, the equipment lift can't not stop once begun. Well..it could stop..but if some event occurred…..and it dropped..

  • Horse Horse

    Califnative, I agree with you that Fuku fog sometimes has man-made elements to it. The site has a heat supply and radioactive particulate smog that makes Fuku fog denser than normal fog as seen on Iwaki cam, a relaxing coastal view south of Daiichi.
    http://www.ntt-east.co.jp/fukushima/mado/detail/lalamew.html

    Sparks are occurring regardless of the weather. This July has seen several days when the spark count was 30 between delays and those days were marked with an extra thick unusual ‘fog’ and high radiation readings. Last November when I started recording the real time feeds, I saw maybe a dozen sparks a night every once in a while and everyone talked about webs in the rain. This year, there are sparks to count every night and everyone is seeing more Fuku fog. Maybe the conditions at the site have changed. I think it’s important to document each day with any descriptive phrases we can come up with because we each see a different part of the ELEphant in the room. I added more spark counts to HorseCam.
    http://s87.photobucket.com/user/HorseCam/library/

    7-25 Notice there are not many sparks, only 48 between three long delays.
    http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k146/HorseCam/07-25-2015/7-25%20two%20hour%20graph_zpsapbfrxlt.png

    7-26 Two sparks on cam4. The big green one lasted two frames. Included the sparks on cam1 for that time period.
    http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k146/HorseCam/07-26-2015/07-26%20212534%20spark%20cam4_zpsmg7mdz2p.png

    7-27…

    • Horse Horse

      7-27 Notice thirty sparks between each delay. This pattern corresponds to the other events in July.
      http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k146/HorseCam/07-27-2015/7-27%20three%20hour%20graph_zps8q4pnm0g.png

      • califnative califnative

        Horse, thanks. Good job, lot of time and effort put into that. Maybe it's just me but looking at your graphs I'm a little confused as to how it reads. You saw 48 sparks in 3 hours, is the 1000 to 6000 column minutes? The big spikes are delays in time between sparks? Would it matter if we knew the real time of sparks to pin point a pattern? Your spikes represent time delay not increase in sparks, so if we eventually see less big spikes that means sparks are more consistent, abundant, troublesome?

        Cool "green meanie" spark you found.

        • Horse Horse

          Califnative, The graph legend, at the bottom is the spark count. The vertical is the delay time in mmss. The 0000 to 6000 means no minutes to sixty minutes. In the 48 sparks chart, found 8 sparks then delayed fifty minutes with no sparks, then found 13 sparks before the next 45 minute delay, and so on.

          "Your spikes represent time delay not increase in sparks, so if we eventually see less big spikes that means sparks are more consistent, abundant, troublesome?" Yup. I look at how many sparks are in between the 40 minute delays.

          I tried grouping sparks by the hour and counting them up per hour to get an average, but I don't have enough data to make it meaningful. That 48 spark graph, for example.

          7-25
          hour sparks
          2037 0
          2100 9
          2200 15
          2300 12
          mid 12

          • califnative califnative

            Horse – your 7-25 example above by the hour is easy to understand, could you restart the spark count hourly in a 3 hour time frame? Or perhaps add a note on the graph explaining the spark delay concept, less delays, more sparks, bad out come. I don't mean to interfere with your work, no doubt a tedious project and much appreciated. I just wonder if there would be more interest in seeing when there's an increase in sparks as oppose to the time delay between them. I could be completely wrong about that, just a thought.

            I've noticed more activity with the smoky fog lights behind R4 start around the 2200 hour, it does vary though, as do the spark tracking. That's a big project you got there 😉

            Thanks again 🙂

            • Horse Horse

              Cali, TY, I know what you mean about the graphs, tried other formula to get the chart to show spark peaks instead of delay times but don't know how to do it. Agree with you on the timeframe part, the problem being the weather, sparks fly until it clouds up. The sparks remind me of an outdoor fireworks show, a calm night the fireworks get muted by their own smoke, a light breeze blows the smoke away and the fireworks are bright and clear. As I gather more data I'll figure out what to look for, be it length of delay or how many sparks in a row. When I watch these events in real time they look very different from the timelapse vids, much scarier. Thanks for the feedback.

  • jec jec

    JNN is now totally darken, except for a few spots of light. Wonder if TEPCO used our forum to determine what image(s) to provide to the public. Just Saying..

  • mt1000

    JST: 23:12 on JNN cam black smoke (debris burning?) is just staring. It is at the base of the tower, a little to the right.

  • mt1000

    Fukushima's bagged radioactive soil –
    http://youtu.be/t5D9eRfQDfY

  • mt1000

    some new vids of the cams –
    http://youtu.be/d5GzqWXT2ms

    http://youtu.be/PJdtEJu0aAc

    crane lowering large thing –
    http://youtu.be/06MeO0OD-Zs

    • califnative califnative

      mt1000 thanks for searching interesting Fuku vids on YouTube, it's helpful to see other peoples point of view, information and concerns.

      • mt1000

        I do it by looking in YT search for "Fukushima" and filtering by day or week.
        Always nice to find new channels. That new one today was by someone who knows how to edit these vids artfully!

  • pure water

    Does not look like fog (water vapor):
    http://s14.postimg.org/7ih7ahoo1/30_07_00_28.png
    Too much colour in it and coming from somewhere between R3 and R4, seems to me.

  • AirSepTech AirSepTech

    That is interesting with the lights on R3 eastside on JNN.

    Then when you look at Cam1 you see just a sliver of that, but mostly, the dark north side.

    Good for plotting. 😉

    Fog is doing some interesting movement! Fantastic amounts come and go in minutes.

  • RaDiaTed JeWeLz RaDiaTed JeWeLz

    Does anyone know whats happening right now?? I have this nifty app on my phone that shows the cameras for Unit 1 and 4 and about an hour ago you could see some smoke/fog but now both cams are totally fogged out!!!

    It's something serious.

  • AirSepTech AirSepTech

    http://www.weather.com/weather/today/l/JAXX5694:1:JA

    Dewpoint/temp are close enough to produce fog, RH is high as well.

  • jackassrig

    I have managed to find a way to calculate the black bulb globe temperature. The globe temperature measures the energy of radiation absorption and emission since a black body is a perfect absorber of radiation. “Estimating Wet Blub Globe Temperature Using Standard Meteorological Measurements” Charles Hunt and C. Minyard, “Estimating Hourly Incoming Solar Radiation From Limited Meteorological Data” Kurt Spokas and Frank Forcella, “Estimation of Black Bulb Temperature for Calculation of the Web Bulb Globe Temperature Index” Vincent Dimiceli, Steven Piltz, and Steven Amburn. The best from my viewpoint is “FAO Irrigation and Drainage Paper No. 56” Richard Allen, Luis Pereira, Dirk Raes, and Martin Smith. This document outlines procdures to calculate missing meteorological data. The NWS does not collect black bulb temperature.

    I believe the event witnessed by ene-cam-watchers started sometime around March 15 and continues unabated. The black bulb temperatures (Tg) in degF are:

    Mar 11, 2015 Tg = 57.3
    Mar 15, 2015 Tg = 67.5
    Jun 15, 2015 Tg = 84.0
    July 1, 2015 Tg = 86.0
    July 2, 2015 Tg = 84.9
    July 3, 2015 Tg = 88.4
    July 4, 2015 Tg = 90.1
    July 5, 2015 Tg = 89.9
    July 6, 2015 Tg = 86.1
    July 7, 2015 Tg = 87.8
    July 8, 2015 Tg = 87.3
    July 9, 2015 Tg = 87.5
    July 12, 2015 Tg = 91.9
    July 27, 2015 Tg = 92.81

    I ran out of energy to fill in the missing dates but I think readers get the drift.

    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

      That is interesting you have brought this up. I remember well the flags flying in the Marine PT area at NAS Dallas in the late 70's. The Marine weather guys would put those reports together.

      It is used as a heat stress index, we had a lot of that there, some serious heatstroke is possible, even fit/young folks. It adds sunlight (radiation) exposure to the mix of temp and humidity.

      In a roundabout way it is something like wind chill in winter. The air temperature alone is not the whole story, when it comes to exposure of the human body, and animals as well.

      I will try to find some links to your info, unless you have some. 🙂

      Here is some Wiki, not a ton of detail:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_globe_temperature

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_radiant_temperature

      • jackassrig

        I read in one of the documents that the Marines won't allow training after the Wet Bulb Globe Temp (WBGT) exceeds 90 degF. I ran across a paper last night which claimed in 2030 many of the large cities will be ghost towns because the heat index will be so great that the human body will not be able to survive. The human body is a complicated internal combustion engine that must reject heat. If the body can not reject heat, it will die. The decay heat plus the increase in population plus more cars every year to the highways I think will do us in. And what about the heat added from the nuc plants cooling towers or river cooling. The earth had a serious problem before Fuku. Now Fuku is adding untold amounts of heat to the environment. E = mc^2. It's all too much for this old pate.

        • AirSepTech AirSepTech

          Brings back some awful memories. Heat stroke. A Blue Angel air show. August in Texas. Many got sick, myself as well.

          We had to takedown/move/setup/takedown/move/setup bleachers for thousands. The bleachers were free, from the Byron Nelson golf gig. Supreme military stupidity. The USN is not always sane.

          No surprise, the Marines, did fine. Better training/discipline for extreme conditions. Lots of breaks/shade/water.

          Dallas was booming then, and dozens died from heat that summer.

          When I sit and enjoy the aquarium, I think of earth, not fish, often. We are trapped in a biosphere much the same.

          We do add a lot of heat. On both ends, the creation of energy, and the use of it. A double whammy that is hard to solve.

          We live on a fine line, a few degrees, couple percent of O2, change it up much, and our world is very hard to live in.

          Just like the fish bowl.

  • jackassrig

    I forgot to say those temps are for my area in the US.

  • mt1000

    Very odd Pink air on the traffic cam now –
    (doing screen grab now) http://stm.futabagun.jp/510.swf
    JNN has a white out.

      • mt1000

        oh! JST 5:25 in the traffic cam grassy field behind the stop light – the 'fog' has greatly dissipated (80-90%)! So it is appearing as a pulse. From below.

        • from a distance from a distance

          @mt1000 – FYI, I tried to upvote your reddit comment but couldn't find it.

          • mt1000

            rggg — (Reddit) and I didn't even use the word "Fukushima" … I said "Japan". They erased it.

            My question was this
            "Mr. Hawking, Thank you for your bold stance on AI.

            Can you give an opinion on why the highest science resources haven't been utilized to address the planet-threatening multiple melt-downs in Japan?
            AI and other tools could have been a big help in the beginning. Linking many computers together to help with climate study has been a help in that field but was never done for this problem.
            People worldwide are concerned.
            Also, at this point, is it too late to stop the chain-reactions there?"

  • jackassrig

    10:08 7-29 JNN gray. Looks like smoke.

  • from a distance from a distance

    I was reading older entries in the WEBCAM forum and was reminded of "Kat" who was suffering from cancer. Does anyone know if she's okay?

  • Horse Horse

    7-29 18:30 cam1 has a moon transit in the upper left of screen.

  • jec jec

    Pretty quiet on cams right now, midnight in Japan. Of course, CAM1 shows the open roof with some pixels showing over the roof top..or emissions. No rain, Futabagun webcam shows a very lighted up fukushima. The removed roof panel went across the entire roof..side to side. Looks to be only two more major panels to remove.

  • jec jec

    Icewall and nitrogen injection down on 7-27 per fukuleaks.org. This is a day we noted fog and more on the webcams. Fukuleaks comment made about possible issue with reactors because the nitrogen was stopped. Looking back to see the 27th..that was a major fog day and lots of comments from webcam observers(and image captures!). Interesting..not sure if related. But what does nitrogen do to prevent reactors from becoming 'damaged.' Forgive my lack of knowledge, but…is the fog related?

    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

      Liquid nitrogen is -320f at 1 bar, so it boils rapidly. It condenses water vapor out of air, so it makes a good volume of 'artificial fog'. The fog dissipates quickly because it does not change the surrounding air temperature enough to maintain the fog conditions.
      Is it making all the fog,,,no. Possibly some in/around structures, open holes/crack in the ground etc. Or just venting it off while in use or finished. It must be vented, it expands at over 800 to 1 from liquid to gas

      The tech term,'cryogenic fractional distilllation', Air Separation.

      I have posted a lot about it. My career for 20+ yrs.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8xln_59fLw

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvuOhpsI9yQ

    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

      "But what does nitrogen do to prevent reactors from becoming 'damaged.'"

      If you could post/or link what this is in reference to, I would be happy to explain.

      Prevent damage is unclear, there are many things that 'could' be done to mitigate effects/ease recovery/etc, a huge list of things.

  • Does anyone think these fogs are altogether ordinary?

    They don't seem ordinary to me after watching the webcams for over 4 years.

    Unit 1 seems to be missing a roof panel. Did anyone else notice that?

    My feeling is that TEPCO's efforts to remove debris in or near unit 3 must be driven by desperation because the remains of that unit are HOT.

  • califnative califnative

    Pictures from last night below. Tilt computer screen to see the deepest colors.

    http://postimg.org/image/heoqhlk4n/ 3.28am 7-29-15 Saturated burgandy blue yellow
    http://postimg.org/image/g35klvbn1/ 3.30am
    http://postimg.org/image/45zwb810f/ 3.31am
    http://postimg.org/image/5ryq9h1z7/ 3.35am R1 yellow spots
    http://postimg.org/image/chd7nckfh/ 4:31am R3 roof white blur

    Around 1:00am this morning 7-30-15 the timely fog rolled in and out saturating the plant again, can see the burgandy blue haze floating on cam4 and yellow on cam1. I believe most of the activity is coming from above R3 and R4 stairwell area.

    http://postimg.org/image/89fo6cpd9/ 2:30am 7-30-15
    http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/f1-np/camera/index-e.html webcam4
    http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/f1-np/camera/index2-e.html webcam1

    Trying to post more pictures but the postimage.org website won't connect.

    • califnative califnative

      Hmmm, not sure the last burgundy blue pics from yesterday are worth posting, I see the colors clearly on my computer but they don't look the same here.

  • califnative califnative

    Hadn't posted these yet, roof top near R2 pink gas source area they use for R1 & R2.

    http://postimg.org/image/rblrusa39/ 3:16am 7-25-15 yellow blue spots
    http://postimg.org/image/92oioyv9f/ 3:20am
    http://postimg.org/image/jip1s9o0h/ 8:00am 7-27-15 strange looking
    http://postimg.org/image/8o4m2j10b/ 8:03am
    http://postimg.org/image/nhx734a7h/ 8:05am

  • califnative califnative

    majia – current happenings here http://www.scoop.it/t/fukushima-by-ton-kraanen

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    That's really thick fog right now, if that's what it is.
    http://www.tepco.co.jp/nu/f1-np/camera/index2-j.html

  • jackassrig

    In the beginning of this disaster I would say about 2 months into it, blue beams were coimg from I believe #2. Someone then said they were neutron beams from the wild wild melt. There may be some pictures in Achieves Building.

    • Cams are completely obscured. Strange on-and-off buzzing heard on TBS cam.

      Jackassrig there was a neutron beam detected at Fukushima in 2011
      Neutron Beam Observed 13 Times 3/24/2011 http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110324a6.html

      I have no idea whether a neutron beam would be visible. The light I saw from unit 1 was coming from a different location than where the panel was removed (I think)

      • 🙂 Buzzing insects like cicadas or whatever..also birds chirping too up on the mountain where the TBS/JNN cam is.

        The R1 inside light's glow which we usually see glowing yellowish through the walls is now also visible because of the removed roof section. R1 has no actual *glowing* going on when Tepco is experiencing a power outage, which can always be determined by taking a look at the Futabagun cam which would be showing Daiichi completely black during an outage. Same with checking the JNN cam.

        • califnative califnative

          There you are Teri 🙂 missed seeing you here. Now I'm off but hope to catch up with you later 😉

        • Look at the screenshots I posted in the dropbox link. There looks to be a beam of light coming from the right hand corner of unit 1. The missing roof panel looks to be on the other side of the building. I could be wrong.

          https://www.dropbox.com/s/7951t76tx3xskbs/TBS%20Cam%20View%20July%2030%202015.pdf?dl=0

        • AirSepTech AirSepTech

          +1 Teri–good to see you back!

          I will add a lot of the light that 'looks' like it is inside R1, is the hi power light blasting through the translucent fabric. Those are some bright lights, like stadium lights.

          Funny, I have never looked/noticed if there are lights that go on/off inside, while the lights outside go on/off. haha
          Something else to look for. 🙂

          The fog….I think I'm out on that for now, it just needs to run its course, perhaps a weather pattern change for an extended period will provide an opportunity to draw some
          conclusions.

          Here is a cool vid, check out the clip@ 2:50, imagine that coming toward the Futabagun cam from Daiichi. 🙂

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c65dEfr3rNk&list=PL7FP4sUM2V39VqWDKUBbCaOEFPlM1BMAI&index=66

          • Thanks, and the fog vid was neat, especially the clip with lightning.

            I've only seen the light glow inside R1 be off when all of Daiichi site property was black with a power outage.

            We have a full moon Sunday. I'll take pics to see if it has a different tinged ring, as in murky greenish yellowish like in the atmosphere at Daiichi, on the Futabagun light in one person's snip and also same color dots top to bottom screen at JNN. Since the Spring equinox storms (noted earlier too I think) the radiation color interactions have been present off and on across the whole exclusion zone and further it seems.

            I've noticed the mauve/coral layered skies over my place a lot ever since they showed up at Fukushima. Usually 2 or 2 1/2 days later, if the jet stream's looping down. Some elevated rads too with some spiking today going back and forth between .12uSv/h and .21uSv/r. One flutter hit .31 while I was working outside but my average over, say the last 5 days is still mostly at my .11uSv/h these past few months. I don't like those spiking times though as little currents move through. 🙁

  • califnative califnative

    Please watch: Fukushima/3 of the 4 Cores Now in Contact with Ground Water https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wlUUgzaqwg

    This webcam watching just gets uglier every night and more traumatic when the brown smoke blends in with the fog on cam4 anywhere between 22:00pm to 4:00am JST. It's hard to identify which hot spot looks the worst but I think R3 is extremely volatile now. How is it possible to work in R1 roof removal and debris content for the next 4 months while working on removing the fuel handling crane from the spent fuel pool August 2nd?

    The air is saturated with heavy multi-colored toxic gases than ever before, it just feels like we are the brink of disaster as each night unfolds. I hope more people start watching the webcams now, record, take screen shots and post where ever they can.

    http://postimg.org/image/ntvyfmkql/ 2:44am cam1 looked like vapors coming out of R3 back vent
    http://postimg.org/image/3xjazx07b/ 2:46 typical lights on horizon producing fog (IMO)
    http://postimg.org/image/b7ulh7f49/ 3:18 JNN brown through out with shoreline slightly lit, JNN cam filter change to thick blue not long after to hide the brown.

    • I second concerns raised by Califnative.

      I don't know what is happening but things don't look good.

      webcams are still completely obscured 6:30 am 7/30/2015 japan time

      • jec jec

        @majia, Califnative…something bad is going on fukuleaks reports significant increase in Unit 1 discharge into canal..like 91K bq/liter..up from 20K less than 14 days ago. See
        http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/?p=14917

        Bet that is why the sudden rush to 'fix' things. Like what do they plan to do? Its a little late..too little..too late. Would be nice to see a PLAN..a realistic, workable plan to stop the gushing of radiation fluids.

        Wonder if the fog indicates increased heat underground? In the ocean or ocean floor areas?

    • bo bo

      A comment from @cm2kwl
      'Pattern of emssion cycles usually start with steam above unit 3 followed by massive fog/steam coming in from seaside, maybe corium in contact w underground water that connects to sea, that this pattern happens like clockwork? '

  • jec jec

    @nuckelchen, back in the early days, I believe you captured video of the fires(around the buildings/orange colors), and at one time a beam of something blue–we thought it might be a neutron ray. I am going thru all my images with comments, but its going to take a while..a long while going back to 2011.

  • nuckelchen nuckelchen

    2015 07 30 Fukushima Daiichi

    03:30:00 – 04:08:00 JST
    10 x timelapsed

    http://youtu.be/lOdSpndzTxY

  • mt1000

    traffic cam (now) showing some cement trucks… some yesterday too.

    • A ton of them. And trucks almost bumper to bumper at times. Never quite seen that much before even over hours of obsessed watching spurts. Well, I supposed they, the big shots, do wonder how much longer they can milk the disaster for paychecks. Sick eh.

      • mt1000

        took off to watch (TEPCO sponsored) PBS show about Fukushima on NOVA.
        Wish someone could do the thing with subtitles!
        It was all about how brave TEPCO workers were during the disaster… now all over.

  • nuckelchen nuckelchen

    @ jec:

    it had taken me some hours of crawling in my backups to find the videos you had been talking about.
    and i had
    reloaded them for you:

    2011 11 20 Fukushim Daiichi
    https://youtu.be/vkz1yKFmXXU

    2011 12 01 Fukushima Daiichi
    http://youtu.be/qWVPfUaM9V8

    • mt1000

      very excellent!

      • Yes Excellent Nuckelchen

        Thank you.

        Here is an image from unit 4 that shows something glowing blue inside the building's wreckage.

        I'm not sure exactly when this screenshot was taken. The date on the image is April 2012 but I'm not sure that the screenshot wasn't taken earlier:

        https://www.dropbox.com/s/jxfuh8q1tuo6yjc/Unit%204%20Glow%20.pdf?dl=0

        • AirSepTech AirSepTech

          That is interesting, but it is on the outside of the building, and showing quite a difference between the white lighted pillars, and the blue. Either a blue light, or an image problem?

          Or something related to nuclear, a lot of material was blown out of those buildings, but I do not know what would cause it, and why it would appear circular.

          • jec jec

            The 'blue globe' also is seen on some newer CAM4 views — called by some water droplet on the lenses. I just dont think so, and the blue object shows up in other older images(before CAM1 was in its present position) at the base of the large vent stack for Reactor 3 –we were quite curious about the color and the object at the time.

    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

      Yes thanks nuck

      That second vid looks a lot like plasma arcing, much the same as you see with TIG welding, on dirty material. But it is much, much bigger.
      Do you happen to know the timelapse, 20x, more?

      That is really interesting, thanks

    • jec jec

      Nuckelchen you have fantastic and timely videos. The times around 311 when we were watching are priceless as well as telling the truth of this mess. I have images, still frames, which just dont capture the instant events video does. You rock! THANK YOU!

  • califnative califnative

    Hi Nuckelchen, thank you for the videos. I wanted to ask if you could please verify something I saw on the 2015 07 30 Fukushima Daiichi video. It looks like flashes of light off the left side of R1 on the JNN cam, could you confirm this using the time stamps mentioned below? I've never seen this before.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOdSpndzTxY&feature=youtu.be
    Flash of light on left side of R1 JNN cam at 2:08 mark 3:51.25am, difficult to catch light, pointed size with red arrows http://postimg.org/image/5ol1nkyt9/3:51.25am
    http://postimg.org/image/c3c9ew5kt/ is this the sky flash a second later on Futa cam 3:52.17am?
    http://postimg.org/image/vxwij21j1/ 3.51.53am 30 seconds later smoke funnel moves down roof to a light in the middle of black crane, Majia wondered if this was light beam of some kind, if you look at the video it's a smoke funnel. After this last flash event the whole plant fills up with brown fog.
    http://postimg.org/image/m98bm1y9p/ 4:04:27am mauve background JNN cam
    http://postimg.org/image/bgfabtd2j/ 4:04:29am then turns to blue (this one is for Teri ;))
    http://postimg.org/image/idraide71/Another 3:48:10pm another flash on Futa cam. 1.48 mark shows flash on JNN cam (no pic)
    http://postimg.org/image/kvxonldq5/ 3 seconds later normal view

    The other 2 flashes I saw on the JNN cam (no pic) was 0.48 mark / 3:38:01am and 1.32 mark / 3:45:29am. If you watch the video you can barely see them but rather shocking if they are the real deal.

    • califnative califnative

      Sorry, my mistake:

      Flash of light on left side of R1 JNN cam at 2:08 mark 3:51.25am, difficult to catch light, pointed size with red arrows http://postimg.org/image/shcr5qzgf/

      http://postimg.org/image/t7n73fmyb/ 3:48:10pm another flash on Futa cam. 1.48 mark shows flash on JNN cam (no pic)

      • califnative califnative

        Oh, and if anyone else wants to verify this R1 light flashing please do 🙂

        • AirSepTech AirSepTech

          That is the open hole/panel removed area of the roof.

          You are seeing the light inside, reflecting outwards.

          The arrow at the top of the frame? is that not the top of the ventstack? 🙂

        • Cali when I was watching Futabagun about that time I saw a couple quick faint white streaks(?) too but location seemed further north. Like where I imagine that road cuts down between R5,6 and the r1-4s (has steep sides), to be. thought lightning maybe? Some kind of electrical flash where the fog and rain clumps like to push through at that cut. If I remember right, it was raining steadily up at JNN but just the fog layers, misty down at the shoreline.

          • califnative califnative

            AST, Teri, thanks. My post above was TMI. It was impossible to capture the faint flashes seen coming from the left side of R1 when looking at JNN cam. AST your right that arrow was top of the stack, thought it was a part of the flash. I think Nuck would be have the best opportunity to slow the video down and see it the best. I thought these flashes on JNN were showing on the Futu traffic cam, lighting the whole sky http://postimg.org/image/mh64nlcxx/

            but I could be wrong – but that was the alarming part to me and why I brought it up.

            So one last effort if anyone wants to confirm they see faint flashes on JNN cam, focus on left side over R1, full screen, enlarge if possible.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOdSpndzTxY&feature=youtu.be

            Video markers are:

            0.48
            1.32
            1.48
            2.08 this is the strongest flash

            Note there are many screen "glitches" on this particular video, I think it's intentional making it difficult to watch.

            Teri, your right this is coming further north near R5,6 out of view on cam1/4. This all may not mean much but the effort to try and catch them when they're hiding something is.

  • Horse Horse

    07-30 19:39 Moon transit on cam1

  • jec jec

    CAM1 is showing a unique and heavy emission 'whiteout' over the area of Reactor 3 and 4 on the right side of screen. CAM4 show a hazy bluish mist over the entire ground level and part way up the buildings. Nasty looking night. Futabagun shows lights way up into the sky over the plant and to the south of the facility. Reactors 5 and 6 are lighted up slightly. Road is dry. Shift change? Lots of cars and buses headed on the road to the plant.

    07302015 20:38 JST TIME

  • mt1000

    Try to see JNN cam now …. ufo!

  • jec jec

    @mt1000 thats one big boat out on the water off Fukushima. I certainly hope its not a sightseeing night cruise! Know TEPCO is looking for more profits, but really..

    • Do you think that is a "pumper boat"?

      It is the same one I've seen before and it tends to re-appear when trouble brews at Daiichi.

  • mt1000

    JST: 22:09:20 on the traffic cam the upper light on the far left is blinking in a regular pattern.
    This light:
    http://flyingcuttlefish.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/730_jnncam_b.jpg

  • mt1000

    white smoke on the archive vid – at 1 min. 18 sec. mark –
    http://youtu.be/5yeF2ggGuQU

    • jec jec

      See my comment above on increase of smoke/fog/emissions due to blocking discharge tunnels at the ocean side of the facility. Not sure how that will help if the uphill side keeps flooding more water down to the facility.

      • mt1000

        I put my comment in the wrong box … was supposed to connected to your comment on blocked tunnels.

  • mt1000

    JST 01:34 ufo is gone. I missed when it went … or else it is obscured by smoke in the background.

    • jec jec

      NOPE its there on JNN just barely in view, top right. I dont think TEPCO liked your comments….

      • jec jec

        Boat is back on JNN. And its a boat as I see a faint red light on the port side as the vessel moves into view. Its taking a northerly route at the present time, close to Fukushima plant's shore line

  • jec jec

    The cranes (yellow loader type near Reactor 2 base) are working..or at least moving around. The black small crane with a dosimeter? device is worriedly moving back and forth in the same area. Funny that after all these years we now give almost a personality to the little cranes. Remember Blinky? So work is going on at night…purposeful and planned??? …or knee jerk emergency reactions? My bet is on the second option, knee jerk.

    • jec jec

      A lot of dirty looking steam or fog or /and emissions coming up from various areas on JNN view. Makes the image sooty looking.Would not like to be a worker there.

  • bf9 bf9

    Can't view Tepco cams at the moment, but on JNN it looks like there could be darker emissions from R3.

    http://imgur.com/LRgmwMi

    • mt1000

      That's a good picture of a ship larger than I remember … so my UFO turns out to an unidentified tub.

  • bo bo

    It's that ghost ship carrying dead tepco workers again..

  • jackassrig

    Ya know that ship has been troublesome for me. It looks to be longer than the side of any reactor building. The ship is whallowing in the harbor. The perspective of the ship should be much smaller unless it is about 300 – 400 ft long which is not a huge ship by todays hulks. It seems to me it couldn't be a CG cutter. It doesn't seem to offload or load cargo, doesn't discharge liquid, doesn't seem to launch or receive drones, cruises in at night usually and it sits in an area of high radioactivity. If it is surveying why not use a smaller craft and get out of there. It just sits out there with those yellow lights. If someone could suggest what those high power lights do, we might be able to do some supposing.

  • bluerthanblu bluerthanblu

    Is this a drone zipping past the plant, Unit 1 side? Looks like an Andromedan ufo craft, lol! This event occurred on 7-29-15, at 12.00-15.01, following increased emissions on 7-28-15 (noted in posts and Nuckelchen's vids above):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyBm259EVUw

    Also, the same day 10 floating white objects were seen over Osaka, floating next to a power plant with heavy steam emissions:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIG8TwyV_qE

    Are these new technology products viewing plant emissions? No matter how many ways we view and understand the effects of radiation on our planet, the bioaccumulation is an ongoing time bomb that will mutate, maim, or destroy all life forms! Good job nucleocrats (sarc), now why don't you try to UNDO some of your damage to humanity?

    I've seen so many great ENE ideas on solutions to the Fukushima outpouring of radiation, yet no MSM journalists, pro-nuclear scientists, or engineers talk about ANY real solutions given the very difficult physical parameters of containment and our Achille's Heel in our inability thus far, to effectively or even partially, neutralize ionizing radiation in the amounts we've unleashed in the environment, from bomb tests to this cliff hangar moment in the Daichi nuclear disaster.

    Any ideas WHY humans are locked into a death spiral at this time? Currently we are like deer in the headlights, in shock, unable to think or act in response to what we've done, IMO.