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  • Checkmate

    I use Baking Soda (A&R) for soaking Vegetables, but mainly for Chem trails. A commenter above said 1% ascorbic acid solution will remove radiation from the leaves, but didn't know of any method to remove cesium from the interior. This is really what I am interested in or the vegetables that use the least amount of water. But things are really getting hairy as I go to four food stores to not find anything radiated. I see malformations in some frozen foods from different companies in the stores. Most of the kale, beets, collar greens, etc. are radiation damaged with either a little yellowing in leafs, holes in the leaves or even burned edges. It is beginning to be difficult to find things to eat…


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  • Checkmate

    And these vegetables are from SC, CA, TX. I worry about the grass fed beef and organic vegetables around here in So. central WI. I had 10' readings of 40 to 50% above background 6 months ago and 3 mos. ago of 80 to 90% above background. The radiation is very noticeable in about 20% of the trees- yellow leaves, some red, bushes and trees dying… This country needs a miracle to stop it…


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    • 4Yahshua

      6~19~5995 (out of 6000) in this "Twilight Zone Apocalypse"!

      I have decided NOT to stress over WHERE the radiation is.
      Instead, I fortify myself with daily with capsules to fight it! Some of these include:
      Boron (to remove radiation from body and strengthen bones)
      Vitamin C with Rose Hips(2000 mg. at a time)to fight stress
      along with the radiation
      D3 (30000 i.u.) to help immunity and spirit
      We also drink almond milk and eat almonds in various ways. They have ingredients that kill cancer cells. Cilantro is a great green to put in most dishes that do not include fruits. It cleanses the body.
      Blessings and may you survive until Yahshua the Messiah returns is my heartfelt prayer!


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  • Thanks chemfood, sickputer, everybody! So I have a question on the liposomal C in case anyone here knows. (I have the same recipe and ordered a ultrasonic device already)

    I can use lecithin as recipe states, no problem…but got to thinking about substituting OG hemp oil instead. Would the molecular reaction be the same and would it encapsulate the solubles? Would it end up nano sized enough to pass through cell membranes? Reading and comparing labels doesn't tell me much. Lecithin seems to be it's own thing when so highly processed down.


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    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      LastChants…lecithin makes liposomes because it has bipolar molecules. The phospholipids, specificially. But heres the thing; the liposomes dont make it past your intestine intact, and are not absorbed directly into the cell. That is a myth. Its not known why many people report good results with lipo C. The absorption advantage is only at high doses…multi gram doses over five grams. Even then it amounts to an advantage of about twice. It works because the liposomes slow the transit through your small intestine. You might get the same results just by mixing your hemp oil and vit C without using ultrasonication. You would just have to experiment and see. I dont think sonication is required anyway. The lecithin has its own unique nutritive properties. Maybe that contributes to the anecdotal success of lipo C.


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      • Thanks SP, that helps…I had really been scouring and chasing every link to documented studies (tons of anecdotal reports too which were interesting but scientific proof is better) It took days just to zig zag through them to find original sources.

        There were some studies that focused on the ability to pass through other cell membranes rather than just the intestinal wall. If I can find those specific ones in my big long bookmarks mess I'll post here again.

        The studies were comparing percentages of vitamin C that did or didn't get excreted in urine between all large dose methods. If I remember right, in the non-ultrasonic-ed ones, C ranged 16% to 25% absorbed… while the C encapsulated by ultrasonic were getting 75%-95% absorption. If true, that'd be great.


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        • That was to CodeShutdown…sorry. As usual I need to check twice before hitting the button.


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        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          Spinning your wheels LastChants. I was through it exhaustively. Lower doses of C, say eating an orange or pepper, gives you upwards of 97% absorbtion. As you increase the dose, absorption goes down considerably. You can take it as well researched that the improvement at high doses amounts to about a factor of two. But theres a lot more to the story. In short, several smaller doses a few hours a part is really the only way to get mega doses orally, and for that, lipo is marginally needed. If you take Vit C regularly, the absorption goes up. So many figures you see are hype, unscientific, or faulty test method. Only a very small amount would make it past your intestine intact, probably via peyers patches. 1% or less. Take care when reading studies that they arent special "hard shell" formulas, or even IV. In fact, you dont want lipo to make it straight to the blood as this invokes a potentially dangerous immune response. But not to worry, it doesnt make it.
          Lipo C is hyped for sales. Mega dose has a place as a pharmaceutical. Its cytotoxic with greater impact on cancer cells. This due to hydrogen peroxide in extracellular spaces. Too much to go into here. Herbs and natural is always a good solution. Lecithin also has a question mark with possible production of Trimethylamine N-oxide. Why not start simple with Vit C and Hemp or coconut, no sonication? Remember holistic principles


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          • Thanx so much Code…Yeah, holistic for sure. And I already include/do maintenance types… all natural OG coconut oil, ester C, citrate forms of whatever, I've got myself covered (I think, but always learning, especially now with the radiation factor) Been in the thick of the know how your body works movement for about 50 yrs I guess. My mom's 91 and blew her Dr's minds when she had dumped them, un-applicable ins. and prescriptions after double mastectomies just about did her in, the usual story on side effects and fear on that. She's since been way healthier than some other family this past 30 years.
            My family (the rest of us) are 3rd generational on the sustainable/health stuff. My daughter's an RN and we brainstorm together, adding in her technical knowledge to the mix too.

            It's my young grand kids who could benefit from me learning all I can about a more hepped up balanced system response….mostly for the strontium, etc, accompanying Fuki exposure symptoms since 2 were living on a boat in San Diego harbor for 3 years. They used to wade ashore from their skiff to start their school day routines.

            Now I'm going to hit the button and hope I didn't make some ridiculous typing mistake or sound too arrogant here. I really appreciate all the experience and knowledge we share. We bust obsolete systems and make paradigm shifts as we go. :)


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            • Gabe Gabe

              Hey Last Chants…….your family is blessed by your care for them.
              I do hope that you are making paper copies of all the best information you find.
              If the grid goes down or worse your grandkids will need something in writing to refer to long after you are gone.
              As well, it would be great to connect with your RN daughter as I too am in the health care arena.
              Regards
              Gabe


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              • Thanks Gabe. I've been in guinea pig experiment mode with some of my family and friends who are giving me their impressions, for about 5 months now. Nothing scientific mind you, but overall we all think the Lipsomal C concoctions do feel much more potent compared to doing just buffered ascorbate C alone as a powder mixed into food or drink.

                I'm still trying different brands, forms and amount proportions of the Liposomal ingredients and my goal later is to share my opinions regarding which way seems to give more bang for the buck, which way takes the least fancy equipment and which is the least messy when it comes to cleaning up the utensils used. (Liquid lecithin is about like sticky axle grease to clean up IMO!) :)

                Basically, our anecdotal conclusions are that a person might want to do the whole emulsifying process including the use of an ultrasonic device, if quicker stronger results are needed when someone's really sick or been previously exposed. Otherwise for daily preventative maintenance, probably just do the buffered ascorbate in smaller amounts but many times a day to avoid the *excrete it out, runny bowels effect* from too much in the tummy at one time.

                PS> Grand kids are doing better now. They're doing a variety of daily supplements and best food possible, and liposomal when we get to visit. Thank you all for the info in this thread. We'll feel less scattered as we go on but at least we're adding things NOW as we learn.


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          • clamshellernh clamshellernh

            I've done the Linus Pauling bit c cleanse
            1000 msg every hour till saturation "diarrhea " then taper down
            I used the ascorbate


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          • Gabe Gabe

            Excellent stuff you posted.
            I would like to support what you say about smaller, frequent vit.c intake……….imagine your daily vit c intake like a slow drip IV……….absolutely the best absorption.
            Take healthy food sources of vit c to work with you and let those be your munchies throughout the day. Do the same when at home.
            Also, be certain that if you use supplements you only buy those that have been tested for heavy metals!


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  • Practical ways to get the rad word out to the People
    http://enenews.com/forum-best-practices-combating-effects-radiation/comment-page-13#comment-478924

    Includes Fukushima/WIPP posters, flyers, videos, tear-offs and business cards with resources to easily inform strangers and loved ones of this mounting radiation situation. Then, it's all about the remediation, folks

    Pass them out while We last :)


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  • D. Nudibranch D. Nudibranch

    I just had a thought. I am going to write up a paper with all the stuff I know of with references and links at the end that illuminates every known substance and technology tat can help protect, detoxify, and mitigate the harmful effects of ionizing radiation upon the human body. The list is quite extensive and needs to be broken down by categories such as food, water, minerals, herbs, vitamins, nutraceuticals, decorporation compunds and chelators, protocols, etc. Not only should this list the good things but it should also list things to avoid and why.

    It seems difficult to keep rehashing all the natural remedies I know of here. They all need to be grouped together in one place that breaks it all down for everyone by someone who is doing it as a nonprofit public service. It also has to be practical. There needs to be various protocols outlined including those that can be implemented at a low cost by using food choices only. Bicarbonate I understand is significant, simply taking a small amount of baking soda every day in water for example can help bind up plutonium. Eating apples for their malic acid and pectin content. High potassium organic fruits and vegetables.

    Atlantic Kelp Seaweed, Miso, Blackstrap Molasses, coconut water, chia seeds, lecithin, vitamins A – K. Potassium, Calcium, Magnesium, Zinc, Selenium… Everything that is really good for you health-wise mostly helps block out radiation, and helps neutralize it.

    Detoxification is another…


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  • vital1 vital1

    Info Wars sells an Iodine supplement called Survival Shield™. They have now provided information on their source of Iodine, plus how it is manufactured.

    This is important information as any iodine product sourced from sea weed has the potential to be contaminated with Iodine 1-129, or other contaminants.

    26th June 2013 – This scientific report indicates that the amount of long lived radioactive Iodine I-129, released during the early stages of the Fukushima Nuclear disaster, was 31 times greater than the short lived radioactive Iodine I-131. This study does not take into account any radioactive Iodine releases since then. The half life of I-129 is 15.7 million years a lot longer than the 8 days of I-131.

    http://www.terrapub.co.jp/journals/GJ/pdf/4604/46040327.pdf

    With this level of long life Iodine contamination bio-accumulating in the environment, the question needs to be asked, is it necessary to take a clean sourced Iodine food supplement for the rest of one’s life to block its uptake?

    Iodine supplements are not for everyone. We are all different. Some people taking them can get serious adverse side effects. No one should take them without medical advice from their doctor.

    For those who can take Iodine supplements it is important to know the source of the Iodine.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ChaE9o6uaw


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    • vital1 vital1

      Note: The Potassium Iodine tables supplied during a Nuclear disasters flood the Thyroid with huge amounts of Iodine to limit the uptake of radioactive I-131. They are not to be used for any other purpose. It would be dangerous to take any more than the recommended dose.


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      • clamshellernh clamshellernh

        Curious , how's it made , can producers be trusted and also this shit does not work except in the beginning , it's being sold to the masses and they aren't even are of how it works or does not .. This cannot be taught enough …everyone's attempting to make a buck ..and it's going to get really interesting ..so do your homework


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  • Noah

    Why Liposomic C is so effective.

    1. It gets people taking vitamin C in higher dosages, the encapsulation makes it more easy on the stomach, reducing loose stools and acid problems.

    2. The biochemical components of microlized lipids contained in the lecithin profoundly effects new cell production, about 500 million cells daily. Most diseases begin because of lack of materials (lipids + C) to construct healthy new cells. C supplies bases of collagen for example.

    3. The absorption rates of lipo C is not the primary reason it is effective, but it phospholipid biochemical profile combined with C which reverses disease states mentioned in the testimonials you are reading.


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  • razzz razzz

    Everything you wanted to know about cabbage and zeolite on sale.

    "…The uniqueness of cabbage in cancer prevention is due to the three different types of nutrient richness found in this widely enjoyed food. The three types are (1) antioxidant richness, (2) anti-inflammatory richness, and (3) richness in glucosinolates…"
    http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=19

    Zeolite ZeoForce Detoxify Daily
    http://www.pipingrock.com/zeolite/zeolite-zeoforce-detoxify-daily-40190


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  • VanneV VanneV

    maybesomeday
    June 11, 2014 at 1:16 am

    Argo: According to this article, fasting may reset the immune system "triggering stem cell-based regeneration of an organ or system" http://news.usc.edu/63669/fasting-triggers-stem-cell-regeneration-of-damaged-old-immune-system/


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  • Argo Argo

    Thank you maybesomeday and Anne …

    I hope many people see the documentary so they wake up to the lies…

    Anne, thank you for your posts ..very good


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  • Checkmate

    The baking soda protocol (Arm & Hammer) in my opinion works for anyone with Cancer…Check it out…


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    • clamshellernh clamshellernh

      I would get the organic baking soda it's cheap , this is all about the acidity I alkalinity in the body making it harder for the cancer , look up moss the politics of cancer and you will find this protocol in one of his books or links to it .


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  • Checkmate

    In my opinion, baking soda works against Cancer…


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  • Checkmate

    Sorry about double posting…Did know if one went thru…


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  • combomelt combomelt

    HELP, a farmer, an arborist, a horticulturalist, a botanist, enewsers, please read and break it down ..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperaccumulators_table_%E2%80%93_3

    Anyone care to expound upon any potentials for the rest of us? Someone here must have some key insight into how we may use some of these plants to our advantage. Someway, somehow,…..involving local climates, altitudes etc,…. what works??? anything?

    Peace


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  • Checkmate

    AFTERSHOCK, in regards to your question. I find that tradition doctors aren't educated in Cancer or are afraid to lose their license. And doctors outside the box using alternative medicine are busy guarding their nest egg too but really are putting Cancers into remission but at a high cost. The Arm and Hammer baking soda doesn't not contain any aluminum and also there is another brand sold in health food stores (the only two). Aluminum is only found in Baking POWDER…not Baking SODA. If you wish to find out more about this bicarbonate soda protocol then check out You Tube and hit up "Ph Kills Cancer" The name of his website is phkillscancer.com Also he wrote a book and it sells for $15 is highly recommended by me with many testimonials of varies different Cancers to the effect that it works.
    Please note: I do not know the gentleman personally nor I do not have any monetary interest in the site or book and collect nothing for recommending the above. I honestly want to get the word out and hopefully save a lot of lives…
    I believe it is everybody's God given right to be truly informed and for those who know- it is their duty is to tell others.
    Why take a secret to the grave…you can't use it there…spread the knowledge to the living…they need it.


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      invaluable comments, Checkmate. Fully concur on the nature of our current medical practitioners. It's sad.

      The other brand you're referring to, is "BOB'S RED MILL". Friend of mine tells me, sulfured molasses is the perfect compliment to this treatment protocol. Un-sulfured molasses is ineffective as a transport mechanism.

      I'll definitely make a point of checking out that publication. And no need for a disclaimer. I sense you're for real. Go you one better. Become our go-to guy on this protocol. Lots of people have talked about it here, but no one's made a point of compiling good references. It'd be 'nice' if someone took it upon themselves to guide those in need.

      Thanks for your kind response Checkmate. Keep me in the loop…


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  • Checkmate

    Combomelt a lot of the problems with using plants (outside of vegetables) for detox or otherwise is many people are allergic to them. I for one am allergic to most; thus, I call them weeds. But you have to keep in mind what area do they come from…I would not drink green tea grown in Japan. In fact, I worry about all these health food store vitamins and where the respective ingredients are coming from…let alone plants from different regions to save the day. There have been reports on here about trees being cesium 137 sponges and also the pollen being radioactive. So I don't think anything on the planet is really safe…thus I believe that one must eat healthy and hopefully keep the body in balance taking Vitamin C and maintaining the PH balance…


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    • clamshellernh clamshellernh

      Checkmate
      I too question everything as far as food goes
      Would even take old canned goods and vitamins pre fuku .
      I used to have my grain stored in food grade drywall buckets that would last up to seven years stored correctly , I'm on the Atlantic and preparing seaweed for storage even though it does show radiation levels since 2012 in maines seaweed from fuku , I figure I'll take it now before it gets worse …would love to find a store that has old vitamins that are still on the shelves .


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      • You could also import the vitamins. A few southern hemisphere countries make their own vitamins. (Australia and South Africa are my go-to)

        I am still weary of all of the sodium alginate I've found. I should see if there is some in South Africa. Their parts of the oceans should be the least contaminated in the world right now.


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    • clamshellernh clamshellernh

      A green road has been posting a link that most all of green tea is radiated ..perhaps get the chlorophyll from wheat berries aka wheat grass , but need the grinder


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    • combomelt combomelt

      ty checkmate, however, i was inquiring about environmental remediation(regardless how small it may be). I wasn't considering that people should ingest said plants, only that many of them seem to absorb radiation/uptake radionuclides thus purging the soil/groundwater of some of the contamination. Anything to any of these plants in that respect?


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  • Checkmate

    Cadmium has been recently studied and a report has been released about it in animals and plants. Humans eating animals will get a build up of it absorbed into their system. Most notably- the pig, all bottom ocean life as lobsters, claims, etc. contain the most and give a direct build up.
    Plants also contain Cadmium, but the plant contains other ingredients which protect you and the Cadmium just passes through and is not absorbed.
    This gives a lot of hope that plants can do the same with Cesium, but I don't know. Scientists should be definitely working on this…


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  • Checkmate

    Combomelt, Boron is mixed into the feed for cows in Hawaii to try to control Cesium in milk.
    I have heard other people are mixing Boron with the soil to raise vegetables. It seems to bind up some of the radioactive fallout.
    It would be nice to know what plants to eat…and I do believe that the Russians have most of the answers from their studies after their meltdown… Maybe someone with a relative in Russia could find out and inform us.


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  • The main thing I've read about plants and uptake of radioactive isotopes plus adding in the boron as a *grabber* is that you'd hope it sufficiently *grabbed* the C-137 (as an example), while still in the gut and then be excreted from the body system. But then the endless circle continues, with excretions going to where?…our sewers, soil, ground water, etc.

    Chelation helps too but sigh….nothing yet is ultimately the one silver bullet we so desperately need. We'll just do the best we can with everything we're learning that helps, while simultaneously trying to prevent new NPP's from being built.


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  • Checkmate

    AFTERSCHOCK, you are right about the un-sulfured molasses and Br'er Rabbit Blackstrap molasses fits the bill, but only the Blackstrap molasses from among the other Rabbit molasses products. But if one cannot get unsulfured molasses, then either pure honey or maple syrup is suppose to work too.
    As far as Bob's Red Mill goes, why pay the extra price when Arm & Hammer is much cheaper and was the first used for Cancer in the 1930's before Bob's was ever thought of.
    A terrific site of interest is: Budwig Center.com and read their free manual that they Email. It is excellent.
    Dr. Simoncini in Rome, Italy was doing a great job curing cancers until the government took his license away and put him out of business. He used the Baking Soda Protocal and also a more direct method for more difficult tumors through direct injection into the tumor with a solution of baking soda and I think water…
    Because of the Fukushima radiation and the American Cancer Society prediction that 2 out of 3 males will get Cancer and 1 out of 3 Women will…I believe this info is more important now then ever to get out to save more lives… Kindest regards….


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      totally agree, Checkmate. Thanks for staying on top of this, and seriously consider my appeal that you become our go-to-guy on this subject! What you're attempting to do in educating people, is, in my opinion, the greatest calling any could have. That you're showing people there's less expensive alternative therapies is awesome. Thank you Checkmate…


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  • Checkmate

    AFTERSHOCK, I really don't mind helping folks on this subject, but you must remember I am not a Doctor or otherwise medically qualified to give any medical advice. My experience is mainly from reading about it and stating what my personal experiences have been with this protocol. I am still in the learning process too.
    One important thing I have read is Cancer can get a little worse before getting better with this protocol, which I believe is personally true for some of us. Dr. Simoncini had over a 1,000+ patients and did wonders. I read where a person was on this protocol for a month and he said it wasn't working for him (he was in serious condition with several different Cancers). Dr. Simoncini said to tell him to stay on the protocol for another month.
    Now that is what I call faith in a treatment!!! since the good Doctor had saved so many people… Respectfully…


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      all good, Checkmate. I was suggesting that you compile and periodically update the information within this forum. Throw in a disclaimer to the effect that you're unaffiliated with the sources and products, and are only providing a public service. This site is one of the most visited and as such, offers an excellent venue for your efforts. If-and-when the day comes that the information featured in your educational campaign becomes common knowledge, then your work is done. Until then, you've got an awesome opportunity that's afforded you within this forum and site! I say…use it…


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  • Checkmate

    I must say this out of fairness- of all the 1,000s of patients he treated and all were a success, he had only 1 die. The circumstances around this death could be many and not the Doctor's fault, I really don't know. Maybe that individual did not follow a diet without sugar. But I will say that Dr. Simoncini's success rate is far superior than the majority of Cancer MD's in the US. So the odds are better, at least as I see it that works.
    But please be aware that this protocol can be very dangerous 1-if you do not use it correctly 2-if you have other unrelated Cancer issues- such as heart problems, etc. Always consult a doctor before starting any protocol.


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  • Checkmate

    There is a new technology called Rife, which is slowly taking the medical field by storm and will leave big Pharma in the dust. It is a machine which sends electric sine waves into the body, which I hear can cure a number of illnesses and cancer. In fact some alternative doctors are using this for Cancer.
    I believe the approach is you go to your doctor and he puts some blood or urine test strip into the machine and it suppose to correctly diagnose your illness then the doctor programs a small portable machine and you take it home and plug it in and apply the electrodes for small amount of time to the designated areas.
    It has been found that a higher frequency is needed above the lower illness frequency in order to kill the bacteria or virus.
    I believe this is the beginning wave of the new medical future and goodbye to drugs.
    I post only as a public service and I am not associated with anything or person in the industry.


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  • For me, radiation prevention is all about iodine rich foods, astaxanthin (grown outdoors so it needs to be sourced properly), spirulina, kale, chlorella, zeolite, coenzyme q10 taken with omega in high EPA/DHA, rhodiola, beets, and the like.

    Moving forward, I'd suggest learning to grow your own spirulina: http://radiationprevention.com/spirulina-easier-grow-typical-garden/


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  • or-well

    "Combating Radiation" Forum alive!


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  • orsobubu orsobubu

    WOW technology, very important:

    tinyurl.com/qcdurpl

    About italian CNR, keep in mind this:

    "CNR was founded in 1923. The process of improvement of the national scientific research, through the use of specific laws, (see Law 59/1997), affects many research organizations, and amongst them is CNR, whose primary function is to carry on, through its own organs, advanced basic and applied research, both to develop and maintain its own scientific competitiveness, and to be ready to take part effectively in a timely manner in the strategic fields defined by the national planning system


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  • jump-ball jump-ball

    Just spent $100 for 1 year of vitamin-mineral RAD protection at the site having a 10% off sale with 1 cent shipping thru midnight tonight, promo checkout code is PENNY: Vit C caps and powder, apple pectin, selenium, ALA, Atlantic kelp, magnesium and 5 moar things.

    When the atmospheric and aquatic RADS arrive on the left coast and are finally reported, not having spent these small yearly amounts to provide metabolic protection over the last 3 years will appear worse than penny-wise and pound foolish. Knowing we tried is well worth the small expense.

    (We have no interest in this supplier):

    http://www.swansonvitamins.com/


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  • Radioactive Isotopes Antidotes – Natural Chelation Methods And Supplies – Anti Radioactive Contamination, Heavy Metal Poisoning; via @AGreenRoad
    http://agreenroad.blogspot.de/2014/05/radioactive-isotopes-antidotes.html


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  • PlowboyGrownUp

    Psyllium husks for helping digestive tract. Fiber swells up when mixed with water, helps flush things out. Might help out some radioactive particles, just hoping.


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  • SadieDog

    Berkeley Labs working on drug to eliminate radioactive substances from exposed people…
    http://io9.com/a-drug-that-turns-radioactive-elements-into-harmless-ch-1653490778


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  • TimV

    We at war with these reactors!
    The prize is the Earth.
    Got a spaceship?

    No more time for numbers only.
    Tepco is a deer in headlights.
    Now to the point-
    Does anyone know about Ex-Rad?
    Type that into wikipedia and check structure and company.


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  • VanneV VanneV

    VIRUSES
    Colds, Coughs, Influenza, Cold Sores, Coxsackievirus, Ebola, Epstein-Barr, Genital Warts, Hepatitis, Herpes, HIV/AIDS, Human Papilloma Virus, Norovirus, Measles, Polio, Shingles, Warts
    “…Concentrated chaparral leaf resin has been shown to have significant anti-viral and antioxidant activity especially against the Epstein Barr virus. Two active natural ingredients inhibit the genes responsible for the replication of the virus.
    Olive leaf extract and colloidal silver have shown to be useful natural remedies against the symptoms caused by the Epstein Barr virus.
    …”
    http://www.naturecures.co.uk/virus.htm


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    • VanneV VanneV

      “…Viral Infections are Fed by Nuts and Seeds
      “When you have a virus take special care, as seeds and nuts contain high levels of the amino acid arginine. Studies show that arginine actually encourages attacks of herpes-like viruses. A diet with too much arginine enhances the growth of low-grade chronic (often unnoticed) viral infections as well as bouts of chicken pox, shingles, mononucleosis, or even just a common cold sore (herpes)!
      So when you feel a virus coming on, or you suspect you are harboring low-grade chronic viral infections, be sure to avoid arginine-containing nuts and seeds….”


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    • VanneV VanneV

      "…A natural, holistic approach to shingles takes into account that it is part of the herpes family of viruses. When it is treated appropriately, the virus outbreak will be short-lived. Herpes can only thrive in a body with a weakened immune system. The herpes family of viruses are particularly effected by a person's L-arginine to L-lysine ratio. These are natural amino acids that are found inside the human body, but they come from foods. There must be a greater level of arginine in the body for herpes viruses to thrive….
      Oral doses of colloidal silver can be helpful too, because colloidal silver is harmful to viruses. Large doses of vitamin C are known for being helpful in reducing the recovery time….
      http://healthwyze.org/index.php/component/content/article/370-how-to-eliminate-shingles-quickly-and-naturally-using-alternative-holistic-methods.html


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    • VanneV VanneV

      Colds, flu and other viral infections are common during the spring. Although prevention is best, when a virus strikes there are a number of natural remedies that can stop it in its tracks. Dr Martin Hum digs up the research on 10 natural antivirals.
      http://www.ion.ac.uk/information/onarchives/vanquishingviruses


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    • VanneV VanneV

      “…The final role that zeolite plays is as a broad-spectrum anti-viral. What it does in this function is block virus production by a general mechanism of absorbing viral parts before the virus can replicate. This supports why it seems to be effective in many viral infections, such as flus and colds. 40 reported cases of herpes zoster, multiple sclerosis, and rheumatoid arthritis. It does this because viruses produce everything in parts in a production line, and at the end they put it all together. What zeolite does is literally absorb the viral parts into the “pores” – not the cages (the chelating like parts) – but literally into the pores of the mirconized zeolite aggregates. It seems to be effective for herpes virus 1, coxsachie virus B-5, ecco-virus 7, and also adeno virus 5. Gabriel wants to be clear that its effect as an anti-viral is not necessarily immediate, but only seems to happen after you have been on it for about four to six weeks, and the heavy metals, pesticides, and herbicides have been mostly pulled out. Natural Cellular Defense’s anti-viral role behavior is part of zeolite’s the third level down in its hierarchy of priorities. Again, this is a preventative measure that builds up over time. Yet, over 40 cases of herpes zoster have gone pain-free in 1-3 days. Anecdotal testimonies have shown it to be effective in stopping flus, colds, hepatitis C, and virally-caused multiple sclerosis….”
      http://www.pureliquidzeolite


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    • Bill Duff

      VanneV is a lyin, ignorant lout. Followin VanneV med advice is moronic.


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  • Checkmate

    VanV, doesn't zeolite come from Russia? And wasn't there talk about it was somewhat radioactive or am I mixing the info of Benozite clay? But isn't it true that zeolite not only clears out toxic minerals but also the good minerals that the body needs? And how to put all the good minerals back.
    I'm not against it or arguing, just wanted to know the ramifications of using it and the bottom line…


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  • VanneV VanneV

    Cancer is Not a Cell It's a Fungus Candida, Preventive care is Deathcare in Sheep's Clothing
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAIkiWbQJHI


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Don't have the ban width to watch this, but have researched this topic often and yes many believe that cancer is a fungus.

    Key then is to find out how this fungus reacts with radiation contamination, since many of the dial painters came down with mouth cancers and miners got lung cancers.

    Were these people spreading a fungus on their lips or digging it up or was it their exposure to manmade radiation?


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    • VanneV VanneV

      There are, as I remember, supposed to be 100 different kinds of cancer, and certainly cancer originates in different parts of the body as well as in different forms. And there are so many different toxins in our environment. Many pesticides are endocrine disruptors and many cross the blood brain barrier. And with thousands of different radioactive isotopes it isn't any wonder that life expectancy is decreasing in this country.


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  • Sickputer

    Excerpt from a 2005 article prior to the big mainstream awakening of liposomal Vitamin C:

    "Levy argues that the medical profession has routinely ignored research showing that high doses of Vitamin C can combat bacteria, toxins and severe viral infections including avian flu, SARS, hepatitis and herpes.
    This is not the first time doctors have had their cages rattled over the benefits of Vitamin C. The controversy has been simmering since 1753, when just a couple of sucks of a lime were shown to prevent scurvy. In the 1950s the chemist Linus Pauling, a double Nobel prize-winner, promoted the use of mega-doses of Vitamin C, but his research was rubbished by clinicians.

    "Levy claims that the reason why most animals stay healthy throughout their lives, while humans spend years coping with one or more chronic diseases, is that animals make their own Vitamin C. The wild goat, for instance, makes around 13,000mg a day, rising to 100,000mg when faced with life-threatening infectious or toxic stress, according to a 1961 study published in the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences."

    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/vitamin-c-may-be-a-lifesaver-484369.html

    SP: Has anyone here used the home production Liposomal method described below? This kind of blows to hell pretty much what I thought was a decent method. I'm never too proud to relearn.

    http://www.qualityliposomalc.com/index.htm


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    • Sickputer

      SP: Dr. Thomas Levy is one of the world's leading authorities on Vitamin C (oral, IV, and liposomal preparations). Below are two lengthy speeches given by Levy to his fellow doctors. Well worth watching a great deal of the lectures if not all.

      http://youtu.be/GpptUsJFCEY

      Dr. Thomas Levy at a conference of doctors speaking about Vitamin (regular oral, IV and Liposomal):

      http://youtu.be/GH492eeTyjk

      SP: Living and working for a Colorado hospital and also a licensed lawyer as well as a licensed cardiologist, Dr. Levy has some unique advice and perspectives on the role of Vitamin C. His popular book Curing the Incurable is basically a cheerleader charge for the use of mega-vitamin doses in the three flavors


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      • Sickputer

        If you thought the nucleoapes had the only corner on the market of forcing dangerous and useless shit down the throats of everyone…along came BP (not the oil giant but Big Pharma) and they shut down the ten thousand year old medicine cannabis years before Hiroshima and Atoms for Peace.

        Keeping cheap and natural medicines like cannabis and Vitamin C out of the doctor's bag was a carefully engineered strategy that served them well for 80 years. But the Information Age is ripping away their masks and we see them for what they really are, a medical cabal that controls their high dollar medicines and shuns natural healing methods known for hundreds and thousands of years.

        They see no money for them with selling ascorbic acids, only their statins and a million other concoctions with serious side effects.


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    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      Sickputer, liposomal Vit C is controversial. The scant scientific tests show at best a 2x increase in blood level compared to non lipo. Maybe there is a synergy with lecithin that has nothing to do with liposomal size/carrier efficiency. Levy seems like a fine doctor, but now I suspect everyone is in it for money and on a sales drive.

      With lipo, you still have the problem of getting past the gut, regardless of the small size. The info points to this; the lipo does not pass intact past the brush border lining, but is completely broken down and reformulated in chylomicrons, the usual action of the body. So there IS NO easy pass and NO nice fusing with cell membranes and no multi x times increase in absorption. Took me a long time to get that far on the subject. Maybe a good thing too because the body does not like free floating liposomes in the blood and mounts a mighty attack on them. The story continues…


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      • I found recent info to be outdated or scant also, even misleading in some cases but my purpose last June wasn't to evaluate or buy commercial ready to swallow capsules, so I went into my own various experiment and observe sequences, lasting from 2 weeks to over a month each…which included trying with or without my usual vitamin and supplements at the same time. Extended periods of no liposomalC *potion* at all…sometimes because I simply lacked money to replace OG ingredients. I gave friends and family pints to try out and report back.

        We could do large amounts spread over say, 3-4 hours a day with no runny bowels or other side effects. During my long intervals of no Liposomal, my physical energy and mental clarity suffered greatly and reverted to pre-liposmalC bad days. Wasn't hard to notice huge differences in degrees of pain mitigation and general effects. Especially since I already have slowed my pace as I get older due to many 40 t0 50 yr old old muscular/bone back, knee and ankle injuries, plus eye deterioration, all causing limitations to how much I can handle work wise.

        It's all anecdotal and up to each of us to choose what we're willing to try.
        My experience has been extremely real and useful to me. I'd had problems standing, walking, typing, doing heavy clay work these last 3 years. A lot of extreme wear and tear on my body throughout my life steered me to pursue alternative health knowledge as a young adult and been focusing ever since. Made it to…


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        • …72 with no insurance or complete AMA dependence.

          It seems important to me, considering we have additional radioactive issues to contend with, to keep following our instincts and accumulate new wisdoms every way we can.

          Right now instead of liquid sunflower lecithin, I'm trying out the powder variety and adjusting my proportions again. If it separates into layers in the jar I know to change up my procedure. Have to re-figure the total buffered Vitamin C in each recipe too before passing on any of my results. So far mine have stayed encapsulated better than pictures I've seen online.


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          • PlowboyGrownUp

            Pine needles for vitamin C
            "According to the Manataka American Indian Council, pine needle tea is a centuries-old healing remedy for Native Americans. When European settlers came to the continent and were suffering from scurvy due to lack of vitamin C, the Native Americans introduced them to pine needle tea. Today, Native Americans still drink pine needle tea to treat coughs and colds" http://www.livestrong.com/article/300039-the-health-benefits-of-pine-needle-tea/
            PGU – I don't mess with making tea, I just chew em.


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            • PlowboyGrownUp

              "According to the website Practical Primitive, pine needle tea is high in vitamins A and C. A cup of pine needle tea may supply five times as much vitamin C as you would get from one cup of orange juice"


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            • PlowboyGrownUp

              Long before hearing of pine needles for vitamin C, I was out hunting, felt pretty bad and had a sore throat. I grabbed a handful of pine needles off a tree, chewed on them awhile and swallow the juice, also gargled with it. My sore throat went right away.


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              • Oh that just reminded me about Tamarack (Larch…Larix laricina) that grows around where I live now. I'd read they can extract a component found in it for treating cancers, but my knowledge is vague. Haven't had a need to research it but maybe someone here will post what they find.

                We also have many pine species in NE Washington and the acidification and/or radiation is killing off whole clumps of them now. Dead brown trees….and not from pine beetles. Guess no pine beetles now either

                Years ago a Tibetan friend was checking out the higher altitude pines near where I lived on the Oregon coast, telling me enthusiastically about how his medicine teacher had taught to drink the tea, that it was for the best best very best oxygen!…lol, that's what he said. (He escaped Tibet when he was a 16 yr old monk during the Chinese takeover so his training at his monastery was sadly stopped short.)


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            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              High dose vit C is a different thing than dietary amounts. Its not so easy to achieve except by IV. Powerful oxidation is cytotoxic to cells, more-so to cancer cells. That was the promise of lipo C, but tests dont show blood levels anywhere close to IV delivery.

              The zucchini skin method might be interesting…for use with ascorbic acid powder for achieving pharmaceutical doses

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHKBhz7OCB4&feature=player_detailpage


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          • Angela_R

            Great testimony of grit and common sense, Last Chants. People forget to adhere to the balance that nature shows; manifested in a healthy environment. Vitamins are still chemical in their reactions; their balance needs to be maintained.


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        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          LastChants, you can try it without sonicating. I dont think its the liposomal size thats doing it, but the synergy. Just blend, dont worry about separation. Also, then one could try other oils/emulsions or mixes. Lecithin doesnt get a 100% pass. Whats the ideal daily dose of lecithin?

          You could try the zucchini method which promises much higher absorption

          How to make DHAA,….vit C with zucchini

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHKBhz7OCB4&feature=player_detailpage


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      • Sickputer

        CS typed these pixels of light: "Maybe there is a synergy with lecithin that has nothing to do with liposomal size/carrier efficiency. Levy seems like a fine doctor…"

        SP: Yes, I think there is a cellular level synergy of liposomal C (Levy even pronounces it like me… Ly Po Somal versus the commonly heard Lip Po Somal ;-)

        Levy had a slide in the doctor's conference Youtube (towards the last 15 minutes) showing all the other supplements like CQ10 and others that are now being prepared like Liposomal C. I wasn't looking for convincing info, but found it anyway. YMMV.

        I think I might already be a fatality from nuclear fallout except for my high dose C regimen. And yes it is noticeable that your body grows to depend on negadoses and there is a snapback fatique effect if the C is not ingested for several days. Levy warned the doctors about patients who enter the hospital and they need to get their Vitamin C megadoses or they will relapse into poor internal health.


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  • t-ak

    Education –

    “The strongest human instinct is to impart information, and the second strongest is to resist it."
    Dr John Gofman

    Dr John Gofman http://www.ratical.org/radiation/CNR/
    [free book] Radiation-Induced Cancer from Low-Dose Exposure :
    http://www.ratical.org/
    Additional Electronic CNR Publications
    http://www.ratical.org/radiation/CNR/CNRePubs.html

    Dr. Ernest Sternglass
    http://www.radiation.org/reading/ejsternglasspubs.html

    Dr. Helen Caldicott http://nuclearfreeplanet.org/
    Carole Gallagher interview author of a documentary book about the effects of nuclear testing in Nevada on those living downwind [ A must hear ]
    http://www.radio4all.net/index.php/program/40214

    -> more will be posted.


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  • t-ak

    Dr Robert O. Becker
    [book] The Body Electric Electromagnetism and the Foundation of Life
    http://www.silvermedicine.org/robertobecker.html
    [book] Cross Currents The Perils of Electropollution
    http://emfwatchdog.blogspot.com/2010/12/cross-currents-by-dr-robert-o-becker.html

    Dr. Andrew Marino PhD, JD

    Ace Hoffman
    [free book ] Code Killers a handy primer
    http://acehoffman.org/
    http://enenews.com/


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  • unincredulous unincredulous

    A pill to take radioactive crap out of drinking water, milk, etc

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120327215559.htm

    So where can I get some (sarc, bet it's only for the politicians telling us that there is nothing to be worried about.)

    First visit to this forum amazingly enough. If you all have been discussing this previously, apologies. I'll try to catch up, great topic, combat in this silent war.


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  • VanneV VanneV

    Kelley Treatment: The Cancer Treatment So Successful – Traditional Doctors SHUT It Down
    + video interview of Dr. Mercola and Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez and download transcript
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/04/23/dr-nicholas-gonzalez-on-alternative-cancer-treatments.aspx


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