FORUM: Discussion Thread for December 13 – December 25, 2011

Published: December 13th, 2011 at 12:00 am ET


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621 comments to FORUM: Discussion Thread for December 13 – December 25, 2011

  • James2

    from what I’ve read – 100 millisieverts per year and health problems start 1 sievert per year and you have a good chance of serious health effects – 10 Sieverts/year and you are dead. Those are for adults, children can be much more suscebtible.

    That’s external radiation. If you inhale or ingest radioactive particles, then the exposure goes way up, because they sit right next to your cells

    There’s also different kinds of particles/waves you get hit with. Many sources forget to distinguish between them.

  • StillJill StillJill

    I’m sorry 7he4uthor,….I’d like that answered also. I know nothing of these measurements, like you and your readers.
    Pretty sure someone will weigh in with at least an educated guess?

  • Fukushima panel to query SPEEDI’s role as people fled to hotter areas

    Government evacuation order to come under fire

    A government panel investigating the Fukushima nuclear crisis is expected to state in an upcoming report that the evacuation order issued shortly after the accident began was irrational, sources said.
    The government ordered people living within 20 km of the plant to evacuate, but the panel believes the order led some residents to move to areas where radiation was actually higher and …

    AEC chairman warned people within 170 km of Fukushima plant might need to relocate

    The head of the government’s nuclear energy panel warned in March that all residents in areas within a 170-kilometer radius of the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant might need to be relocated in a worst-case scenario, sources close to the government have disclosed. …

  • New Toshiba reactor model gets U.S. nod

    The Nuclear Regulatory Commission approves Toshiba’s new AP1000 reactor design, paving the way for building the first new U.S. reactors in more than 30 years.

  • mungo mungo

    merry christmas in japan already. its 25 dec there now.

  • midwestern midwestern

    Feds make decision about Hanford contaminated soil:

    RICHLAND — The federal government has made the first decision on how to clean up contaminated soil in the heart of Hanford, settling on a combination of methods planned to protect the environment.

    The soil, contaminated with plutonium, is within the central 10 square miles of Hanford that will be permanently used for radioactive and hazardous waste disposal. Land use plans call for no one to ever live there and the area will be cleaned up only to industrial standards.

    “This decision balances public sentiment for digging deeper with a science-based cleanup action that will protect human health and the environment,” said Matt McCormick, manager of the Department of Energy Hanford Richland Operations Office, in a statement. “This decision was based on the anticipated future use of this area of the Hanford Site.”

  • James2

    ere is actual assembly load information for the reactors:

    Number of fuel assemblies
    In the reactor
    400 unit 1 – Melted Down
    548 unit 2 – Melted Down
    548 unit 3 – Exploded on March 14th
    0 unit 4 – NA
    548 unit 5 – Status Unknown
    764 unit 6 – Status Unknown

    Spent fuel assemblies in the spent fuel pool
    292 unit 1 – Status Unknown
    587 unit 2 -Status Unknown
    514 unit 3 – Fell on or around December 5 – burning as of December 24
    1,331 unit 4 – Shored up, leaning, possibly melted, possibly burning
    946 unit 5 – Status Unknown
    876 unit 6 – Status Unknown

    New fuel assemblies in the spent fuel pool
    100 unit 1 – Status Unknown
    28 unit 2 – Status Unknown
    52 unit 3 – Burning – see above
    204 unit 4 – Leaning – see above
    48 unit 5 – Status Unknown
    64 unit 6 – Status Unknown

    Spent fuel assemblies in the Common Spent Fuel Pool:

    Approximately 5,000 – 6,000 – Status Unknown.

  • James2

    Happy holidays folks. I’ll be gone for a couple days.

    If you have time off, make sure you enjoy it especially this year.

    I believe 2012 is going to be a rough one for us all.

    • alexa


      Happy holidays to you also. Happy holidays to all Enenews posters. I also believe 2012 will be a rough year due to radiation poisoning of food supply and lungs of people. I hope all of us will be healthy in 2012.

  • Bobby1

    South Korea to build 8 new nuclear power plants along the Sea of Japan

  • Jebus Jebus

    Gotta admire the Russians, when push comes to shove…

    Hey Anonymous, ya might wanna take notes!

    Cause this is how it will be done….

    Moscow protest draws more than 100,000 anti-Putin marchers
    December 24, 2011 | 9:17 am

    REPORTING FROM MOSCOW — More than 100,000 people took to the streets Saturday in the biggest show of protest in Russia’s capital since the breakup of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s.

    “Russia without Putin!” the crowd chanted as it protested alleged election fraud during the recent parliamentary vote that saw Prime Minister Vladimir Putin’s United Russia party garner nearly 50% of the vote.

    Many in the crowd said they were fed up with Putin, who served as president for eight years beginning in 2000 and is now seeking a return to the presidency in an election scheduled for March.

    “In 2012, we will clear the Kremlin of swindlers and thieves.” said opposition leader Garry Kasparov, a former world chess champion….

  • James Tekton James Tekton

    Hello All,

    There are many differences between all those who post here and some are not so inclined to be positive when contributing. Black is also a color in the rainbow, but that does not make it ugly. It is an inseparable part of the whole color spectrum, just as we all are inseparable from the One energy that we ALL Are.

    What is true is we are many and we are different and there are lots of differences in opinions. The good news is, there is all this input around this horrible subject and the additions to the data base here keeps on coming from so many great contributors.

    We are grateful for all you ALL share and proud to belong to such a great bunch of writers and intelligent commenters here. Everyone’s opinion is respected and honored for what it is. Their truth even if it is dark and negative. Truly, there is really some positivity in the care to comment even in a negative way so actually it is good to know how people feel, or where they are coming from.

    Here is another Truth for all to embrace if you choose to. Tools for the spiritual tool box.

    In life, we are only coming from one of two energies in all of our human expressions. We are coming from a place of love, or fear. If you observe anyone displaying any irrational or dysfunctional human behavior patterns, it is usually coming from a place of fear. Anger is one of those negative expressions that comes from the base of fear.

    • James Tekton James Tekton


      On the other hand, we all instinctively know when someone is coming from a place of love. The actions, words, and deeds of anyone all show us where one is coming from. Every heart knows what love is, and easily recognizes it in all the beautiful various forms. When you see the negative type of expressions, actions, words, or deeds coming from someone ask them, Hey Man/Woman!, Where are you coming from?, Love or fear?

      Resolution comes from the identification of the fear, then the choice to continue to embrace it, or release it. Fear has been so well used to control and manipulate mankind, and more so in this last century. It is the first conditioned human behavior pattern in the spank most of us got when first born, and nurtured well ever since.

      Upon recognition of the fear, one then has the opportunity to change your core of expression from this fear into coming from a place of love. That is where all these words come from and they will continue to come whether accepted or not by the majority here. It is for you and given as a gift in this holiday season. Imagine a world of souls always coming from a place of love.

      • James Tekton James Tekton


        There will always be separate thinking and many who will not agree with what some of us have to share. Accepted. What we are here is a group of concerned folks. We have all gathered to share this information and the good thoughts of many. What we are is the most unique news gathering network and commenting bunch of concerned souls in the world all sharing our individual light around this horrendous subject. Something to be truly grateful for and real evidence that from a terrible black subject, there comes something good and great. We are One awakening Tribe…we are all EneNewszers!

        Wishing you and yours a very Merry Christmas/Solstice and a Happy New Year to come.


  • StillJill StillJill

    SHALOM back to you my light-barer friend!

    Have thrown some black threads myself a time or two,…lately especially. Council taken,…..(and I hope and pray ‘the TAPESTRY’ needed a dark shadow or two anyway????) 🙂

    James T,….your Spiritual Historical Accounting is your gift to US,…the ENENEWS bunch,….and to the greater World indeed!

    May you and yours feel His love as fully as you’ve brought His feelings to me this day. I thank you for that deeply,…was doing Jill’s will today. I feel much lighter and LOVE is my choice now! ::-)

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne


    Station Commander Captures Unprecedented View of Comet

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      May you have a wonderful Christmas and may 2012 be your best year yet.
      PEACE and JOY and LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • arclight arclight

        merry christmas anne, thanks for all your hard work.. 2012, the year the nuclear industry died? fingers crossed!!
        peace light and love!!

  • StillJill StillJill

    You know Anne,…it really COULD wind up being our best year yet,….in this Topsy-Turvy World we live in!
    Thanks for the great thought, friend!

    And from me,….to ALL of you, but ESPECIALLY to you ADMIN,….you gotta know that the God in me, salutes the God in you. My life-raft!

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Is India becoming anti-science?

    “…We need to give S&T a chance to deliver. I am sure, eventually, nuclear power can take care of at least 25 per cent of India’s requirements. GM technology can increase food productivity and improve nutritive quality. We cannot cut off our nose to spite our face or throw the baby out with the bathwater.”

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Time for Japan to realize it really is the canary in the mine

    “…there may be no systemic change until another crisis precipitates drastic moves to avert disaster. And by that time it may be too late,’ he warns….

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Radiation levels almost 90 times Chernobyl evacuation limits found in unevacuated Fukushima school zone at a level so high it is lethal to 100% of the population within 15 years.

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Earthquake 25 Dec 12.36 JST
    Magnitude 4.6
    • Sunday, December 25, 2011 at 03:36:49 UTC
    • Sunday, December 25, 2011 at 12:36:49 PM at epicenter
    Location 36.845°N, 140.883°E
    Depth34.7 km (21.6 miles)
    Distances23 km (14 miles) S of Iwaki, Honshu, Japan
    63 km (39 miles) NE of Mito, Honshu, Japan
    76 km (47 miles) SE of Koriyama, Honshu, Japan
    163 km (101 miles) NE of TOKYO, Japan
    Location Uncertaintyhorizontal +/- 25 km (15.5 miles); depth +/- 6.2 km (3.9 miles)
    This earthquake is 40.8 mi (65.63 km) S from Fukushima Daiichi (#1) Nuclear Power Plant
    This earthquake is 33.5 mi (53.92 km) S from Fukushima Daini (#2) Nuclear Power Plant
    This earthquake is 30.3 mi (48.79 km) NE from Tokai Nuclear Power Plant
    Fukushima #1 37.422972N 141.032917E
    Fukushima #2 37.316389N 141.025556E
    Tokai NPP 36°27′59″N 140°36′24″E
    12:36 JST 25 Dec 2011 36.8N 141.1E 50 km 4.2 Ibaraki-ken Oki

  • arclight arclight

    breaking!! wowzer!!

    Saturday, December 24, 2011

    Canadian Medical Association Journal Blasts Japanese Government: “Culture of Coverup” Exposing Japanese Citizens to “Unconscionable” Radiation Risk

    “Written by Lauren Vogel of CMAJ quoting medical experts, the article states:

    •The Japanese government has been “lying through their teeth” ever since the March 11 accident;

    •The Japanese government hasn’t disclosed enough information for the citizens to make informed decision, with “extreme lack of transparent, timely and comprehensive communication”;

    •The response to the Fukushima nuclear disaster by the Japanese government is far worse than the response to the Chernobyl accident by the Soviet Union government;

    •The annual radiation exposure limit for the general public of 20 millisieverts is “unconscionable”, and there has been no government “in recent decades that’s been willing to accept such a high level of radiation-related risk for its population”

    The article is literally trashing the Japanese government. Quite a contrast to certain international organizations who praise the Japanese government at every opportunity. But in fact, the second point above is in violation of one of the ICRP’s recommendations which says the residents should be made aware and understand the radiation risk fully before giving consent to the government policy.”

  • arclight arclight


    New radiation limits alarm local entities
    Dec. 25, 2011

    “A senior official of the ministry emphasized the new ceilings on radioactive cesium in food items were “based on the judgment that we should take into account permissible levels [of radioactive substances in food] that have been approved by the relevant international entities.”

    The new limits were calculated by working backward from the figure of 1 millisievert of radioactive cesium, which is the maximum allowable annual dietary intake for an ordinary person, according to the ministry.

    The 1-millisievert annual limit was set by the Codex Alimentarius Commission, a body linked to the U.N. Food and Agricultural Organization and the World Health Organization, which is responsible for setting international food safety standards….”

    and this

    “…..The official said he also was concerned about how to run the school lunch service from now until April next year, when the new limits are scheduled to be put in place.

    “Given that the new limit for general food items of 100 becquerels per kilogram has been made public, it is hardly conceivable that we can get understanding from parents of schoolchildren about using foodstuffs containing more than 100 becquerels, even if the concentration is less than 500 becquerels in line with the current limits,” he said.

    “We will have to refrain from using ingredients with radiation exceeding 100 becquerels even before April,” according to the official.”

    More here…….

  • or-well

    “Bless all the dear children in thy holy care.”

    Whether “thy” is your personal Deity, planet earth, or the love in humanitys’ common heart…

    May it be so, and may this day refresh your belief in all good that is possible.

    Merry Christmas.

  • Sickputer

    Ten day wind and weather report for Tokyo:

    The divine winds of the first several months after 311 have changed to not so friendly. Radiation is pouring through the skies from Fukushima 24 hours a day. We hear little talk of bioaccumulation… That must be the new verboten Tepco term.

  • pure water

    I am sure all of you will like this video:
    Must watch! Chris Busby presents his opinion too.

    • pure water

      And you do not need to watch it all, because the second half is mainly in Russian. The arguments against nuclear industry here are strictly financial.

    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @pure water

      Dr. Busby’s comment is at 18:44. As usual, he gets right to the point most overlook: who owns uranium shares? Many have invested in the production of uranium.

      • arclight arclight

        the 147 companies invested their shirts in nuclear between 2008(stock market crash) and 3/march/2011, then shares plummetted dQQwn!!

        Revealed – the capitalist network that runs the world

        The Top 50 of the 147 Superconnected Companies from 2007

        “Barclays plc. Capital Group Companies Inc. FMR Corporation. AXA. State Street Corporation. JP Morgan Chase & Co. Legal & General Group plc. Vanguard Group Inc. UBS AG. Merrill Lynch & Co Inc. Wellington Management Co LLP. Deutsche Bank AG. Franklin Resources Inc. Credit Suisse Group. Walton Enterprises LLC. Bank of New York Mellon Corp. Natixis. Goldman Sachs Group Inc. T Rowe Price Group Inc. Legg Mason Inc. Morgan Stanley. Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group Inc. Northern Trust Corporation. Société Générale. Bank of America Corporation. Lloyds TSB Group plc. Invesco plc. Allianz SE. TIAA. Old Mutual Public Limited Company. Aviva plc. Schroders plc. Dodge & Cox. Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc*. Sun Life Financial Inc. Standard Life plc. CNCE. Nomura Holdings Inc. The Depository Trust Company. Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance. ING Groep NV. Brandes Investment Partners LP. Unicredito Italiano SPA4. Deposit Insurance Corporation of Japan. Vereniging Aegon. BNP Paribas. Affiliated Managers Group Inc. Resona Holdings Inc. Capital Group International Inc . China Petrochemical Group Company…”

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  • “Can you name just one thing, one case where Obama has backed (EPA Administrator) Lisa Jackson when it came crunch time?” my friend asked. Yes! It happend the morning we talked. The administration unveiled its new and long-delayed rule for reducing toxic air pollution out of old power plants.

    “Finally controlling mercury and toxics will be an advance on par with getting lead out of gasoline,” David Roberts wrote in Grist. “It will save tens of thousands of lives every year and prevent birth defects, learning disabilities and respiratory diseases. It will make America a more decent, just and humane place to live.” …