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  • Conflict over handling nuclear crisis revealed

    Masao Yoshida, general manager of the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant, believed the worst-case scenario — the “China syndrome” — might be near and he braced for death during the late-night hours of March 14, three days after the crisis started.

    Pressure was rising at an alarming rate inside reactor No. 2, keeping plant workers from injecting critical coolant water into the reactor’s core to prevent the fuel rods inside from melting down as power had failed following the March 11 earthquake and tsunami.

    To prevent panic among the plant employees, Yoshida secretly ordered a few of his staff members to prepare a …

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20111228a5.html


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  • Japan Wants You !
    Skilled foreigners to get grades, perks

    The government announced Wednesday that it will start grading skilled foreign workers this spring and granting those with higher marks preferential treatment amid intensifying international competition for skilled workers.

    Justice Minister Hideo Hiraoka told a news conference that he hopes an increase in foreign workers with high-level skills will help to complement Japan’s workforce.

    Under the new system, the government will classify professions into three categories — academic research, work requiring highly specialized skills, and management and administration.

    It will award up to 30 points to people with doctoral or master’s degrees, and up to 25 points to specialists based on the length of their working experience.

    Those who obtain 70 points will receive preferential treatment, such as securing a permanent visa if they reside in Japan for around five years …

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20111229a7.html


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  • Panel suggests drastic reform of utility system

    The government has adopted a panel report proposing a review of whether utilities should be split up so that electricity generation and transmission are handled by separate companies.

    In the report on the key issues debated so far, the panel chaired by Minister of Economy, Trade and Industry Yukio Edano also recommends promoting the entry of new power generators and retailers into the electricity market.

    The panel was set up to study how to reform the electricity system after its vulnerability was exposed by the rolling blackouts implemented last summer …

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nb20111229a3.html


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  • lam335 lam335

    “Can Web-savvy activist moms change Japan?”

    “TOKYO (AP) — Japan’s nuclear crisis has turned Mizuho Nakayama into one of a small but growing number of Internet-savvy activist moms.

    Worried about her 2-year-old son and distrustful of government and TV reports that seemed to play down radiation risks, she scoured the Web for information and started connecting with other mothers through Twitter and Facebook, many using social media for the first time.

    The 41-year-old mother joined a parents group — one of dozens that have sprung up since the crisis — that petitioned local officials in June to test lunches at schools and day care centers for radiation and avoid using products from around the troubled nuclear plant….”

    http://my.earthlink.net/article/int?guid=20111228/86ba5b79-326a-462e-9dbf-f5f0cf8466e7


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    • lam335 lam335

      … Still, the growing dissatisfaction may not be enough to bring about fundamental change.

      Japan’s affluence is an obstacle. Most people live comfortably and are reluctant to make too big a fuss, even if they’re unhappy with the political leadership. Culturally, it’s considered better to adjust to one’s surroundings than to try to change them, said Ken Matsuda, a sociologist at Kansai Gaidai University in Osaka.

      “Most people aren’t hungry or angry,” he said. “People need a clear enemy, and there’s no clear enemy in Japan. Public anger needs to hit a critical mass. It’s not anywhere near that.”

      … Asahina, who quit his job as a bureaucrat in the economic ministry last year after 14 years to establish a think tank and leadership institute in Tokyo … faults a risk-averse political culture, a reluctance to take personal responsibility and a diffuse leadership system that spreads out responsibility among too many people or departments….


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  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    Just a little motivation and food for thought to spoil a different lifestyle….look at this granny! Isn’t she lovely?
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/nov/13/ethicalliving-carbonfootprints

    She also stars in this little video, along with Jim Merkel, who’s got smart things to say and seems to enjoy life on 2000$/year.
    http://vimeo.com/10871269


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  • Bobby1

    The hot stone

    The doctor Dörte Siedentopf organized recreation for 20 years stays for Chernobyl children. She is bewildered about how to deal with Fukushima.

    The worst thing is that the organizers have learned nothing from Chernobyl. I’m speechless over the handling of the nuclear disaster in Fukushima, which is still larger than that of Chernobyl. Furthermore, the government’s evacuation zone does not increase accordingly, and women and children has not brought immediately to the south of the country in safety, one can only feel helpless rage. Instead, the population systematically lied to, they will not or are misinformed about the real dangers. This is completely irresponsible. What’s coming on now because the Japanese to diseases and problems, this is impossible. And the company policy and nuclear industry really buying into everything! Worldwide!…

    Nearly a million clean-up workers’ – mostly young men – were used at Chernobyl and its surroundings. A large part of them came from Belarus. Today, most liquidators disabled, have lung and thyroid cancer, cardiovascular diseases, diseases of the kidneys, the gastrointestinal area, leukemia and even mental illness. Approximately 100,000 have so far died, aged between 40 and 50 years. Many committed suicide…

    We have now increased for the next generation occurring blood diseases. We say: CHERNOBYL raging in the GENES. And the next 300 years is because strontium and cesium have a half life of 30 years and multiplied by 10. This is the rule of thumb. Seven to eight generations, at least. Not to mention the plutonium has a half life of 24,000 years. One problem is diabetes in children and adults. Particularly in newborns. That did not used to.

    http://www.taz.de/rztin-mit-sozialer-Verantwortung/%2184368/ (German)


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  • MOSCOW – The intensity of a powerful earthquake that rocked the southeastern part of Siberia on Tuesday reached 9.5, Russian Emergency Situations Minister Sergei Shoigu said at a teleconference in the early hours of Wednesday. “The earthquake’s intensity in the epicenter has been estimated at 9.5. The main threat will come tomorrow morning. As soon as the people wake up, they will see cracks in the walls, stoves, and chimneys,” …
    http://www.kyivpost.com/news/russia/detail/119730/


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  • Bobby1

    Measurement of airborne fission products in Chapel Hill, NC, USA from the Fukushima I reactor accident

    http://arxiv.org/pdf/1111.4141


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  • VanneV anne

    Today’s Space Weather
    Updated 2011 December 29 16:21 UTC
    http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/today.html


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  • VanneV anne

    NOAA Solar Report [SIDC Report]
    Updated Dec 28 2200 UTC
    http://www.solarham.com/


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  • midwestern midwestern

    Nuke questions may stall power projects, experts warn:
    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/53194498-90/nuclear-power-reactors-blue.html.csp

    “There simply are too many other choices which provide greater certainty at lesser cost and without the enormous long-term unresolved problems and risks facing nuclear power,” said Carol Werner, executive director of the bipartisan Environmental and Energy Study Institute.”

    More of the same, just liked the quote.


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  • midwestern midwestern

    Tamil Nadu nuke plant gears up to face cyclone Thane:
    http://www.ndtv.com/article/tamil-nadu/tamil-nadu-nuclear-plant-gears-up-to-face-cyclone-thane-161921

    Chennai: Cyclone Thane which is due to hit the coast of Tamil Nadu on Friday morning has raised fears about the safety of nuclear plants in the state.

    Although the Kudankulam nuclear plant is at a safe distance from cyclone landfall, authorities have concerns about the safety of the Kalpakkam nuclear facilities.

    Dr Srikumar Banerji, Chairman, Atomic Energy Commission has told NDTV that they have concerns about cyclone Thane’s impact on the Madras Atomic Power Station in Kalpakkam, just off Chennai. A control room has been set up to monitor the cyclone movement and it’s impact, he said.


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  • VanneV anne

    1 29.12.2011 Nuclear Event USA State of Massachusetts, Plymouth [Pilgrim Nuclear Generating Station]
    http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php


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  • VanneV anne

    I disagree. I think that nuclear power plants and nuclear weapons are the greatest danger of 2012.

    Conflict between Iran and West ‘the greatest danger’ of 2012 – Russia’s UN envoy
    http://rt.com/news/iran-syria-libya-churkin-interview-859/


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    • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

      So with you Anne.. kinda laughed when I heard that in the USA…our number one concern is apparently the size of government… HAHAHAHAHa… Good job cable news… propaganda.. confuse and redirection works brilliantly.. Government keeping businesses from hiring due to all those horrible worthless epa regulations.. must abolish epa.. LOL.. we know they won’t do that as they have enough cronies on board to control and use it to misinform the public..keep the sheeple down occurs to be number one priority..


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  • VanneV anne

    Everyone Downwind for Fallout from Fukushima
    http://www.huntingtonnews.net/17681


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    • midwestern midwestern

      “from article…Dr. Dewar penned an article on nuclear waste for the Ottawa newspaper. She has stressed that “from the Cold War onward, the United States has been concerned with nuclear waste.” Explaining that reuse of waste has been a government project, she stated that Physicians for Global Survival is “concerned about the re-use of radioactive waste by mixing it into worldwide recycled metal markets.” Instead of “recycling” she calls the process “pollution by dilution,” dispersing the health and environmental hazards of nuclear waste into consumer goods — from toasters to cutlery , industrial machines to hammers and nails.”


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    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      “…we are all downwinders.”

      I want to emphasize Dewar’s statement.


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  • VanneV anne

    Top health stories of 2011

    “The most deadly recorded listeria outbreak and concerns about nuclear radiation after Japan’s biggest earthquake made major health headlines this year…

    “WHO warns of possible cancer risk from cell phones…”

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/29/health/health-stories-2011/index.html


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Russia earthquake update..
    Seismologists have analyzed the seismic state of Tuva for the past 20 years, and they have concluded that a shift in the earth’ crust in the region is possible within a month, but no serious damage will occur.
    http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=EQ-20111228-33568-RUS
    A shift in the earth’s crust…but everything’s cool….


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  • Bobby1

    US Department of Energy discovers that radiation is good for you:

    http://newscenter.lbl.gov/news-releases/2011/12/20/low-dose-radiation/

    http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2011/12/16/1117849108.full.pdf+html

    S.V.C. is supported by National Aeronautics and Space Administration
    Specialized Center for Research in Radiation Health Effects (NNJ09HC64I) and the Low Dose Scientific Focus Area, US Department of Energy (DE-AC02-05CH11231). M.J.B. is supported by the US Department of Energy, Department of Defense, and the National Institutes of Health. T.N. and S.T. were supported by the Excellence Cluster “Nanosystems Initiative Munich.” A.A. and D.J.C. were supported by National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NNZ07AU42G).


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  • CB CB

    I have the EPA next door now checking for mold in my neighbors house. I would like to go knock on their forehead and ask a few questions. Instinct tells me nothing good would come from it.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    PS.Oh… ya….Satan….not that I really believe in such stuff..
    But..the story goes like this.
    Then….(when those times come)….Saint Michael… the Archangel sends his calling card.
    https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Michael_(archangel)


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  • midwestern midwestern

    Is another Fukushima-level catastrophe imminent?
    http://www.minyanville.com/businessmarkets/articles/ge-general-electric-westinghouse-nuclear-power/12/29/2011/id/38609

    “…But this has come at a potential cost. The country’s three nuclear power plants (NPPs) comprise four General Electric (GE) boiling water reactors and two Westinghouse (WEST) pressurized water reactors.

    Taiwan launched its nuclear power project in 1972 with the construction of a General Electric boiling water reactor (BWR) at the Chinshan 1 Nuclear Plant in northern Taiwan. By 1985 Taiwan had a total of six reactors online at the Chinshan, Kuosheng and Maanshan NPPs, which provided nearly 20 percent of the island’s power that fueled Taiwan’s economic take-off. The NPPs are operated by the Taiwan Power Co. (Taipower) utility under the Ministry of Economic Affairs.

    In the wake of the March 11 Fukushima nuclear catastrophe in Japan, Professor Chan Chang-chuan of National Taiwan University’s College of Public Health noted that Taiwan’s three existing nuclear plants and a fourth, the one now under construction, are located in earthquake-prone regions near the sea, which originally facilitated the transportation of nuclear fuel and construction materials, but leaves the sites facing the double hazards of earthquakes and tsunamis. Chan said, “Such locations expose our reactors to a double risk…”


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  • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

    The report cites numerous examples of ineptitude and gross negligence. Thank you Greenpeace International..
    lots of links..TEPCO and NISA were unable to deal with the nuclear disaster, and their arguments that tsunami “beyond their expectations” crippled the plant will not exonerate them from blame, according to the report.

    http://ecowatch.org/2011/fukushima-nuclear-crisis-update-2/


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    • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

      “TEPCO will use a radiation-proof industrial endoscope to examine the interior of Reactor 2’s containment vessel at the Fukushima Daiichi plant. This will mark the first time that the utility has been able to examine the containment vessels, where melted fuel from the reactor is believed to have accumulated, since the nuclear disaster occurred last March.”
      I bet they find no fuel..all melted out..


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  • Disaster debris still remain in Tohoku

    The Japanese government is struggling to remove millions of tons of debris from the country’s northeast, more than 9 months after the March earthquake and tsunami.

    The goal is to completely transfer 22 million tons of waste from disaster areas to temporary storage sites by the end of next March.

    But environment ministry spokespeople say about 7 million tons, or one-third of the total debris, still needs to be hauled away.

    They say the main reason for the delay …

    http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/20111229_21.html

    Goggle earth this area and this and other areas are still in dire shape, so much to clean up, lot of areas I can go street level and stand right in front of the abandoned houses yesterday when going over the hundreds of square miles decimated, and cities laid waste from the power of water and debris such force !
    The areas have been cleared in places but litter spread across miles of farmlands !

    Tohoku, Kamikita District, Aomori Prefecture, Japan
    40° 43° 37° 62° N 141° 15° 34° 39°E elev 63 ft.


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  • midwestern midwestern

    Orion: Observing Radiation in our North:

    http://www.orion-uaf.org/

    http://www.orion-uaf.org/publications.shtml

    Arctic areas of Alaska are especially vulnerable to nuclear accidents releasing radioactivity into the atmosphere within the circumpolar north. Atmospheric fallout and the resultant bioconcentration in the lichen-caribou-human food chain are of great concern for those living a subsistence lifestyle. A project, Observing Radiation In Our North (ORION), formally known as Neighborhood Environmental Watch Network (NEWNET), was initiated to provide an opportunity for Alaska Native undergraduate college students to participate in environmental monitoring, research, and communication of the results through the American Indian Science and Engineering Society (AISES) at the University of Alaska Fairbanks.

    ORION is a network of stations that gather both meteorological and radiological data. Originally, the data was transmitted via the GOES West satellite to the Los Alamos National Laboratory in Los Alamos, New Mexico. The data was loaded into a database that can still be accessed by the public via the internet at http://newnet.lanl.gov. Currently, ORION is a stand-alone system in Alaska.

    Long-term meteorological and radiation observations are providing a baseline against which any major changes in atmospheric conditions and radioactivity can be detected. For example, the former Soviet Union has many old and outdated nuclear facilities still in operation. The Bilibino nuclear facility which is the closest to Alaska is one such aging plant that could accidentally release atmospheric radiation. ORION stations gather real time data and would detect any increase in background radiation levels should such an accident occur or should any other sources release radiation into the Alaskan atmosphere.


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  • Bobby1

    How can we persuade people around you who are threatened by—but trying not to face—the brutal reality?

    http://blog.goo.ne.jp/nagaikenji20070927/e/e45b389ccb2340f7e9f53384e858c91e

    They came all the way on Christmas Sunday to listen to an unpleasant presentation about where they live. Therefore I suppose they feel alarmed—but on the contrary, they seemed so relaxed. (Tokyo already accepted nuclear debris and started incinerating in Toyosu, using the incinerated material as landfill in Tokyo bay adjacent to it.)
    Even in Hyogo Prefecture, which has not yet accepted nuclear debris and is 600km away from Fukushima, I felt very intense, alarming responses from audience. So I was a little puzzled.

    A mother came to talk to me after the presentation and told me that she is starting to feel sick and have lumps in her body. She says she was told it is not cancer and is so relieved. I was confused. Of course it is great that it is NOT cancer. But something that should not happen is happening to her and her children. Yet she seemed she did not want to face that “something strange” is happening to her. This is the second time I felt this way (puzzled). First was in Kashiwa, Chiba, which is also a “hot spot” in the Kanto area near Tokyo…

    I think this incident could explain the nature of human beings. When the crisis is too big to accept for us, there are only very few people who can handle that issue and take action against it. Probably, though very cruel and sad to admit, most people do not know how to deal with too big issues happening to them.

    When the contamination level is so high, they feel so threatened and obviously very scared. But most people cannot handle that crisis. Some people are mentally cornered, some just burst into tears and others have to control themselves through inconsistent and illogical thinking and talking. After all, they cannot—or try not to—face the reality, even though it directly affects their own and their children’s health…


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  • VanneV anne

    World War III already begun
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35SFNsPKopg

    Preparing for World War III, Targeting Iran
    Part I: Global Warfare
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?aid=20403&context=va

    World War III Has Begun – It`s the First Asymmetric War Long Awaited by Pentagon Think Tanks
    http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2011/12/26/world-war-iii-first-asymmetric-war-long-pentagon-think-tanks.html

    WWIII: One Nation at a Time
    http://www.infowars.com/wwiii-one-nation-at-a-time/


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  • Mack Mack

    “Complete dictatorship in the field of atomic energy”

    ( Isn’t the title of the article the truth? Nuclear dictatorship. )

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Madurai/article2614553.ece


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    • Mack Mack

      Quote from Dr. John Gorman in the article:

      “Radiation produces cancer and evidence is good all the way down to the smallest doses and scientists who support these nuclear plants knowing the effects of radiation … deserve trial for murder.”


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      • Mack Mack

        Dr. John Gofman, not Gorman!

        It’s very refreshing to read the words of someone with a conscience. You can read more of his quotes here:

        http://www.whale.to/a/gofman.html


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        • VanneV anne

          +100, Mack, thanks very much for this link!


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        • midwestern midwestern

          from Dr. Gofman:
          “Many people think nuclear power is so complicated it requires discussion at a high level of technicality. That’s pure nonsense. Because the issue is simple and straightforward. There are only two things about nuclear power that you need to know. One, why do you want nuclear power? So you can boil water. That’s all it does. It boils water. And any way of boiling water will give you steam to turn turbines. That’s the useful part. The other thing to know is, it creates a mountain of radioactivity, and I mean a mountain: astronomical quantities of strontium-90 and cesium-137 and plutonium–toxic substances that will last–strontium-90 and cesium for 300 to 600 years, plutonium for 250,000 to 500,000 years–and still be deadly toxic. And the whole thing about nuclear power is this simple: can you or can’t you keep it all contained? If you can’t, then you’re creating a human disaster.”—Dr John Gofman (Nuclear Witnesses, Insiders Speak Out, by Leslie J. Freeman)

          Thanks, Mack.


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          • Mack Mack

            More from Dr. Gorfman:

            “But for 25 years the DOE has not shown any concern for the health of Americans. Their concern has been for the health of the DOE. Their falsehoods concerning the hazards of ionizing radiation have put not thousands of people at risk, not millions of people, but billions of people.”


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  • VanneV anne

    Tepco Detects Nuclear Fission at Fukushima Station
    Nov 2, 2011
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-01/tepco-says-nuclear-fission-possible-at-fukushima-plant-2-.html

    Fukushima suffers setback as officials detect signs of nuclear fission
    Traces of radioactive gas are detected at Fukushima’s No 2 reactor – one of three that suffered core meltdown
    2 November 2011
    “…Tepco said it had detected low densities of radioactive xenon-133 and -135 in gas samples extracted from the No 2 reactor.
    “The substances have relatively short half-lives of five days and nine hours, respectively, so their presence suggests that nuclear fission has occurred undetected inside the reactor very recently, raising the possibility of lingering activity inside its melted core.…”
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/02/fukushima-setback-signs-nuclear-fission

    Fukushima Day 239 — Plutonium fission & Radioactive food, FEMA, UNESCO
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s4NeOyHx6g


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  • VanneV anne

    Fukushima Fission Hit Ground Water on August 11: Detected in Saint Louis on August 20
    Nov 5, 2011
    Fukushima now a “grave situation” — “Plutonium fission” mentioned for first time — “Criticality is very likely to have occurred”
    http://enenews.com/just-in-japan-times-it-is-now-a-grave-situation-at-fukushi

    -CNN: Tepco’s claim of ‘spontaneous’ fission is an “improbable phenomenon” says nuke professor
    http://enenews.com/cnn-tepcos-claim-spontaneous-fission-improbable-phenomenon
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgQzBTcIhLU


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  • lam335 lam335

    New Fairewinds video is out


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    • VanneV anne

      Thanks Iam335,

      TEPCO Believes Mission Accomplished & Regulators Allow Radioactive Dumping in Tokyo Bay
      Dec. 29, 2011

      “Is the Japanese government and the IAEA protecting the nuclear industry and not the people of Japan by claiming that Fukushima is stable when it is not? Fairewinds’ chief engineer Arnie Gundersen outlines major inconsistencies and double-speak by the IAEA, Japanese Government, and TEPCO claiming that the Fukushima accident is over. Dynamic versus static equilibrium, escalated dose exposures to the Japanese children and nuclear workers, and the blending of radioactive materials with non-contaminated material and spreading this contaminated ash throughout Japan are only a small part of this ongoing nuclear tragedy.”
      http://fairewinds.com/content/tepco-believes-mission-accomplished-regulators-allow-radioactive-dumping-tokyo-bay


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    • midwestern midwestern

      Bravo Arnie Gundersen and contributors at Fairewinds for all the hard work this year in trying to accurately and effectively communicate about the ongoing Fukushima catastrophic tragedy. Thanks lam and Anne for posting.


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  • midwestern midwestern

    Clean Energy Group to challenge PSC decision on nuke funding in FLA state supreme court:
    http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/12/27/2563312/clean-energy-group-to-challenge.html


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  • midwestern midwestern

    California’s Diablo Canyon nuke plant responds to Fukushima disaster:
    http://www.sacbee.com/2011/12/28/4149288/californias-diablo-canyon-nuclear.html

    “…In June, the utility and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission bowed to the pressure, and the relicensing request was suspended, pending completion of the seismic studies. Now, December 2015 is the earliest Diablo Canyon could be relicensed.

    Similarly, the state Public Utilities Commission has closed a request by PG&E to recoup $85 million from ratepayers to pay for relicensing.

    “We can now focus on making sure the seismic studies are well designed and independently peer-reviewed at every step of the way,” said Rochelle Becker of the Alliance for Nuclear Responsibility, which urged the Public Utilities Commission to close the request rather than just suspend it…”


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  • Digilert 100

    Heads up everyone- There seems to be some activity at reactor 1 on the Tepco webcam. 2 large holes in the fabric covering, and what appears to be steam coming out…


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    @Digilert 100..yes…heavy emissions from reactor 1 ..for several hours now….


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  • LetThemEatYellowCake LetThemEatYellowCake

    wt..? I’ve actually worn OFF several letters on my keyboard over the last 9 1/2 months trying to warn people about this. They’ve seen my face. They’ve seen almost every article, additionally broken down in summary using small words. They knew my dead son. They ALL have thyroid disease, leukemia, no thyroid at all in some cases, pnuemonia, cancers, deformities, blood disease, dead loved ones, relatives at war, dead relatives from war and all I get is silence, discommunication, and now THIS:

    “I’ll put up there are more lives saved in the US by radioactive isotopes than there are people killed by radiation. There have been more people killed by the coal industry or even better, look at how many have died because of alcohol. Yet neither one have the scrutiny or as many regulations as nuclear. Or even look at the number of folks that have died because of melanomas from being in the sun too much. If you would put as much effort in the study and belief in Christ, you would find your life much happier and fulfilling.”

    Um, yeah…I’m so effin pissed I don’t even know what to say.


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    • James2

      Well, whoever planted those ideas did a good job, this is a carefully crafted response. Whether one bit of it is true or not is irrelevant. It’s believable to the average person.

      The problem for everyone else that hasn’t been here is that nuclear does seem safer. Coal, in contrast seems dirty and dangerous. And nuclear is safer – until it melts down. Then it is the most unsafe thing on the planet.

      When people understand how unsafe Fukushima has become – and they didn’t know about it – then they will be angry.

      And it is true that radiation therapy is used to cure cancer – you’re not going to be able to explain the difference – except that they are very cautious about how much and where the radiation goes in medical treatment and it works because the concentrated radiation kills the cells. If it is released to the environment, then we don’t have much ability to control the doses.

      Not sure where the alcohol argument comes from, but it is also true that people do dumb things that kill them every day.


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      • VanneV anne

        Actually radiation therapy does not work. They are careful to post 5 year cure rates, but do not publish statistics 10 years out because it would prove that radiation therapy is barbaric, even worse than medieval blood letting.


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    • or-well

      Sometimes there’s nothing you can say, to some, that they will hear, until they come to realisation on their own. Some won’t.

      But you can say it here, where some will understand completely and others are coming to awakening with open minds.

      I guess it’s no consolation but I’m glad you’re here, and I don’t believe your efforts are wasted.


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    • Bobby1

      “If you would put as much effort in the study and belief in Christ, you would find your life much happier and fulfilling.”

      This person does not believe in Christ, he/she believes in the god of the status quo.


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    • LetThemEatYellowCake LetThemEatYellowCake

      Thank you guys so much for supporting me:( I can’t help it the tears won’t stop streaming. This is my uncle-in-law whose brother wasted away to 70 pounds from agent orange exposure, whose mother died from cancer on her knee which eventually ate her up, whose nephew died in Iraq by a roadside bomb, whose entire family was exposed through the “tolerance building” releases from Oak Ridge. After all of this time, only 4 people have made any post at all in response to me. 1) “interesting” 2) “thank you for your updates” 3) “there’s nothing we can do” and now 4) questioning my character and salvation. I’m not sure what hurts more. The silence or the words.


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      • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

        Hey YellowCake, my heart goes out to you….I feel very sorry to hear about the hard times you and your loved ones are / were facing. i mean it.

        Ever thought about not exhausting yourself by messing with ignorant people, but spending time & recharging your batteries with like-minded folks? They exist….on this board, but also near you.
        Maybe you should try to find those and try to do things together (see my avatar, :-) )

        Cheers, don’t give up.


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        • LetThemEatYellowCake LetThemEatYellowCake

          Thank you and you’re all right. I didn’t have to get rid of him as after I drafted a response (quilting many of your responses here as I’m too slapped at the moment to come up with my own..), he got rid of me first. The truth hurts I guess. My list had already been reduced by half and I thought all who were half-baked were off – and despite the silence, I knew some were reading and benefiting from it so I’ll continue – just this really blindsided me especially coming from who it did. There goes another family member and yet another uncivil war in the South has begun…

          Thank you all so much though – I’m sorry for putting forth my personal problems …kinda:)…cuz you did all make me feel better and I’m so thankful and appreciative of that and everything you all contribute. I can’t express it enough!

          Ok, I’m back to prodcutive focus!!:)


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    • VanneV anne

      Do you have a link? Or is this your prose?


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      • VanneV anne

        That statement was obviously written by an industry shill who was at the same time an atheist or an Arab provacateur. Industry shills hate Christians and do whatever they can to spread hate against the Christians because Christians believe that the world was created by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and Christians believe it is their duty to protect the world and its environment.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    …Tell them to take their measly sense of compassion elsewhere..and to get the hell away from you..that’s what I do…


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  • …Japanese authorities ordered doctors to stop using pneumococcal and Hib vaccines because four children died after receiving the shots. However, the real news was never reported: more than 2,000 babies died in the United States after receiving vaccines for these very same diseases, yet authorities refuse to warn parents and halt production. A safety review is vital to determine whether a recall of the dangerous shots may be necessary to protect additional American babies from disability and death.

    According to …

    http://www.naturalnews.com/031820_vaccinations_babies.html

    I just found this doing some searches !


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  • The Justice Department is considering filing the first criminal charges in its probe of the Gulf oil spill, according to a Wall Street Journal report.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57349578/report-criminal-charges-mulled-in-bp-rig-blast/


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  • Bobby1

    March 15, 2011 -”Re-criticality” is a major concern – I hope transient will become stable

    Obtained via FOIA

    “It appears the Unit 2 may be headed to an uncontrolled criticality.”…

    http://enformable.com/2011/12/march-15th-2011-re-criticality-is-a-major-concern-i-hope-transient-will-become-stable/


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  • westcoastgirl westcoastgirl

    The reason I wanted to post yesterday is because I wanted to share some videos I saw around the internet pertaining to the beginnings of WW3, which would be very likely to lead to nuclear war.

    http://www.activistpost.com/2011/12/wwiii-countdown-cfr-declares-time-to.html

    http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1560/621/Military_Buildup_Worldwide-Globalization_Of_War.html

    Somehow the reality of the increased militarization of this country and other countries around the world became clearer to me. If this is really where things are headed, I feel like we have a duty to stop what could potentially wipe out most of civilization as we know it.

    Anyone have any thoughts?


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    • Iran to begin long-range missile tests during naval drill in the Gulf
      Iran has said it is set to begin tests of long-range missiles in the Persian Gulf on Saturday. “Shorter and longer-range, ground-to-sea, surface-to-surface and surface-to-air missiles will be tested on Saturday,’ navy deputy commander Admiral Mahmoud Moussavi told the semi-official Fars news agency. Moussavi said the tests will be the main and final phase in preparing the Iranian navy for confronting the enemy …
      http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,15637376,00.html

      : (


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      Hi WCG, interesting question. I remember when I was 4 years old and the Soviets were quite aggressively threatening the west, putting up new missiles along the borders every week, our parents were about to move to Australia with us – already had the stamp in my passport….didn’t go then, sister and I wouldn’t want to leave kindergarten & friends! LOL

      Just want to say that for some of us who don’t know Cold War times the actual situation MIGHT be overrated. But I feel very uneasy, too, and honestly the US war empire freaks me out.
      This needs to stop.


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      • westcoastgirl westcoastgirl

        It’s so hard to keep up with this when I’m working…but to reply to your comment, BandB, what concerns me is that we know that there is a small group of elites who have an agenda, which is to bring about a one world government. A nuclear war obviously wouldn’t benefit the rest of the world, but it might benefit them. For them, keeping the nations in a state of fear can be beneficial, and of course, reducing the population is all the better.

        Which is why I included a video by Benjamin Fulford, a man who I’m not sure what I think of, honestly.

        But what he was saying seemed worth considering. Why don’t we just go and arrest these guys? We outnumber them a billion to one, he said. That may be a slight exaggeration, but not by much. It really is a small number of people in control compared to the general population.

        I would attach the video, but I am at work on my tablet, and it’s difficult to copy and paste on this thing. Maybe I’ll do it later.


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        • westcoastgirl westcoastgirl

          Actually, this is what they did in the French Revolution, and for crimes a lot less than what the elite have done.

          It could be (preferably) a peaceful arrest, not a crazed mob scene like the revolution. But couldn’t it be done? Where are our balls?


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    • Got to wonder at how much Military equipment was left in Iraq for future against Iran !


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    • or-well

      @westcoastgirl,
      I recall, as a kid, the idea that “They” would “get” “Us” if “we” didn’t have more, bigger & better missiles.

      I recall knowing the possibility of ICBM-death from above in minutes.

      The TV showing atmospheric atomic explosions, what happened to the stuff set up on the testing grounds, what was left of Hiroshima etc.

      Knowing for the first time what terror really was when I heard the air-raid siren go off on my way home from school(a test).

      I remember all the WW11 movies, the Cold War, the endless background of war and conflict around the world, one damned place after another.

      And still it goes on. IT HAS NEVER STOPPED.

      Conditioning us to fear and need.

      The terrorists have been busy for quite a long time now and war is one of the most profitable crimes on the planet.

      Ask “Who benefits?” and follow the money.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    I think you are spot on WCG. My roommate and I were really talking about this all day yesterday. The war drums are being beaten,…’we’ are being ‘softened’ to the things TPTB are about to hoist upon us. Your resistance bent is admirable WCG,….follow your heart, yes? Be safe too, K? ::-)


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  • There is plenty to worry about without fear mongering.

    http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/hot-particles-bombarded-u-s-west-coast-contaminated-food-worst-arriving

    “radioactive debris island” twice the size of Texas? Hello Gundersen, most of the radioactivity happened after Tsunami! That too in one part of the area affected by the Tsunami.

    These kinds of exaggerations give power to the pro-nuclear lobby to dump all our words as insane.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Egypt raids the office of the NGO’s….hopefully ..Voluntary Principles… is on the list.
    http://rt.com/news/egypt-police-raid-ngo-953/


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  • Mack Mack

    @ALL — In case you missed it, PoorDaddy wrote a song about Fukushima. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wvz3yBSEZI

    Here are the lyrics:

    FUKUSHIMA DREAMIN
    On a sunny spring day, Cherry Blossom smell, an earthquake cracked open the bowels of Hell.
    A poisonous stew of leaked radiated slime is changing the planet til the end of time.
    Google Chernobyl, Three Mile Island.
    Open your eyes and stop your damn smiling!
    You can think what you want, and do what you do.
    Just pull your head out yer ass, find out what’s killin you.
    Chorus
    Fukushima! Malignant and warm.
    Fukushima! Non-stop dirty bomb.
    Fukushima! Ain’t no mystery,
    It’s the biggest cover-up in our history.
    The Ostrich don’t know, puts his head in the dirt. He can’t see radiation, so he thinks it can’t hurt.
    The whole Human race got the Atomic blues, but you won’t ever hear it on the mainstream news.
    When your babies get flippers, and harelips and such, it ain’t no big deal, cuz it still don’t hurt much.
    Your food will start glowin, your breathin gets slower, but the bottle just can’t hold the Genie no more.
    Chorus
    Don’t give it a thought when your lymph nodes all swell, and you’re pukin and shittin and weaker than hell.
    Ignore bloody noses or a tumor or three, settle back in your shelter, watch your flat screen TV.
    American Idol……the New Jersey Shore….Corporations are the pimps, and we’re all dyin whores.
    Just remember while you’re payin your radiation dues, they never even warned you on the evening news.
    Chorus


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  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    Spanish village excited about new nuclear storage facility
    *(hold tight)

    Madrid – In the 500-strong village of Villar de Cañas in central Spain, there is a single bar to meet this Friday and the people celebrated. On television images of jubilant people were seen. The reason: The town has received from the government in Madrid, the contract to build a nuclear interim storage.

    The mayor of approximately 130 kilometers southeast of Madrid village, José María Sáiz said, 80 percent of residents would want to come to welcome the construction of the facility. The construction of the interim storage of the economically depressed region will create about 1,000 new jobs, said Sáiz. Many residents had moved in recent years because of the poverty of the village and surrounding villages.

    Spain’s new conservative government of Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy had decided after a seven-year discussion of Villar de Cañas as an interim storage site of the future. In 2004 a parliamentary commission has called for building a warehouse in which the next 60 years may be stored nuclear waste. Leading members of the ruling in the Castilla-La Mancha People’s Party (PP) were members of the nuclear lobby. The PP mayor is a member.

    The storage of nuclear waste in Spain has reached its limits. The land overlying the refuse currently shining in the nuclear power plants at a site in southern Spain and in a French camp, for which the Spanish government pays claims to 60,000 € per day.

    Environmentalists, however on Friday expressed their “dismay” and announced protest rallies. Greenpeace called it a “nuclear graveyard” for the wasted money and an unnecessary risk would be received. Opponents of the project also point to the earthquake risk in the region.

    http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/0,1518,806499,00.html

    HOW SICK IS THAT


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