FORUM: Discussion Thread for October 3 – 9, 2011

Published: October 3rd, 2011 at 12:21 am ET


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Published: October 3rd, 2011 at 12:21 am ET


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307 comments to FORUM: Discussion Thread for October 3 – 9, 2011

  • Hey Arclight, About a decade ago I flew to England to see my Uncle once more before he died as he had terminal cancer. His wife had recovered from leukemia. They lived in Reading and we took a bus to go downtown and bumped into a friend of theirs and the conversation was like oh how is your cancer and how is so an so’s cancer. Lots of cancer in Reading apparently and the word on the street was it had something to do with an army installation not too far away. But maybe it was a combination of army and civilian nuke accidents in Britain combined with Chernobyl. Here in BC we have the lowest rate of cancer in Canada. There is a moritorium on uranium mining and no nuke power plants close by as we get our power from hydro electric dams up in the mountains. The experts say it is our BC clean eating outdoor active lifestyle that contributes to less cancer. Never do they say no nukes contributes to less cancer. Huge drug problem out here and for every granola yoga vegan exercising hippie there is a beer drinking chain smoking drug taking fast food eating red neck. Contrast to Ontario with nuke plants and the second most industrialized area in North America the cancer rates are higher. But lots of granola chomping yoga outdoorsy types there too. Bottom line is that it is good to say we don’t know what causes cancer if you want to avoid a law suit. Everybody on my Mums side died of cancer in England but she’s in her eighties and as healthy as a horse, living in Canada.

    • arclight arclight

      i have had a lot of family die of cancer and heart attack, err actually most of them…breast cancer with my mum and sister…various cancers and a few heart attacks..average age for men 63 average age for women 70, from both ireland and england….the older generation seemed to live much longer! go figure!

      there has been quite alot of contamination…even the bathroom tiles topping 0.32 mcsievert/h ! merde love that glaze….dont want to stay in the bath too long though 🙂 …but all this contamination added up! with allowable releases from nuclear plants and not really allowable, but what can you do about it, releases from nuclear plants and any think else i havent found with me gieger yet!! oh yea and st austell cornwall!! canadian black cherries!! wild mushrooms!! still counting…..peace mark

  • Its sad that those shady power junkies make decisions for us that we have to live with or rather die from. Unless you are a man of means you are trapped in whatever corner of the world you find yourself in.

  • Sickputer

    Radiation is good for you! Says medical experts in England and Italy. Think happy thoughts!

    Article name: Like Astro Boy, humans may be able to live with radiation


  • Sickputer

    IAEA sends 12 international experts to Japan to help with de-contamination ideas…will be there one week.

    SP: Difficult job….we will see what kind of recommendations they provide. Hopefully to stop incineration of radioactive sludge.

  • Sickputer

    “Gregory Jaczko…proof that Obama is not about much hope or change at all. ”

    Great reader comment to this article:

    SP: Virtually all the reader comments are thoughtful and seem like enenews kind of folks! Woohoo! Even one shill they roast severely.

  • midwestern midwestern

    Noda says nuke power budget may be diverted for decontamination, compensation

    Portions of the budget and other funds originally earmarked for the promotion of nuclear power may be diverted to finance radiation decontamination efforts and compensation payments for residents affected by the crisis at the Fukushima No. 1 Nuclear Power Plant, Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda said on Oct. 7.

    Noda’s proposal became public after he told Japanese Communist Party (JCP) Chairperson Kazuo Shii and Social Democratic Party (SDP) leader Mizuho Fukushima during individual meetings on Oct. 7 that he would review nuclear power-related budgets as part of a comprehensive re-evaluation of energy policy, and divert funds to decontamination and compensation while alleviating some of the burden on the general public.

    • Sickputer

      Noda sees they (governement and Tepco) are in deep trouble…I just wonder how much his own advisors have lied to him about decontamination issues.

  • midwestern midwestern

    Tepco orchestrated ‘personal’ donations to LDP:

    Tokyo Electric Power Co. executives pumped tens of millions of yen in personal donations into Liberal Democratic Party coffers in a campaign apparently backed by the company’s political lobbyists, an Asahi Shimbun investigation found.

    Although TEPCO’s public relations department insists that the company does not encourage the donations, The Asahi Shimbun found that at least 448 of the company’s executives donated a total of 59.57 million yen ($777,000) to a political fund-raising arm of the then ruling party between 1995 and 2009.

    Sources said TEPCO determined the amounts different ranks of executives should donate, with the chairman and president asked to contribute 300,000 yen, executive vice presidents asked to donate 240,000 yen and managing directors asked to give 120,000 yen.

  • pure water

    For all who have the patience to search through official documents – one huge pdf file here:

  • midwestern midwestern

    Friends after 3.11, documentary film by Iwai Shunji:

    Recently released in Japan, don’t know if it has been released yet with English subtitles. There is some information about it on this link. Bios of those interviewed and some excerpts from dialogue…

  • midwestern midwestern

    NRC considers power plant emergency zone changes:–ar-1369931/

    In a worst-case nuclear accident at the North Anna or Surry power stations, the state has plans to evacuate people from within 10 miles of the plants.

    Now, though, the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission is wondering if that’s enough.

    In the wake of March’s Fukushima nuclear-power-plant disaster in Japan, the NRC recommended that American citizens in Japan evacuate out to 50 miles from the accident site.

  • midwestern midwestern

    Rush for new N-plants condemned:

    Environmental campaigners have accused the Government of pushing forward with new nuclear power plants before lessons could be learned from the Fukushima disaster, ahead of the publication of a report on the crisis.

    This week the Department of Energy and Climate Change is expected to publish the final report into the implications for the UK nuclear industry of the disaster at the tsunami-hit Fukushima reactor in Japan.

    But Greenpeace is concerned that the inquiry has been conducted too fast to learn the lessons from the crisis which began when the nuclear plant was hit by a tsunami following the magnitude 9 earthquake in March, with information still emerging.

  • midwestern midwestern

    Marine vet tells story of America’s nuclear test subjects:

    BURLESON — James D. Tyler stuffed cotton balls into his ears and waited for the announcement.

    He was kneeling at the bottom of a 6-foot-deep ditch, bearing every piece of his combat gear, too young at 18 to even consider that this might be the end of his life. If it was going to be, he wouldn’t be alone. No one in Company F had any better odds.

    Except that Tyler, then a grunt in 2nd Battalion, 5th Marines, would not go over the ditch into the teeth of the enemy.

    He and everyone else knew their orders — hug the side of the ditch, close your eyes, put your face in the crook of your arm. Do not raise your head, under any circumstances.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    OT.. This is my favorite place in the world…
    The emotional pain is/is going to be excruciating.

    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      Heart, I think you must then also appreciate the Hoh rainforest in Olympic National Park in Washington. Japanese gardens inspire tranquility. When I lived in California, I was surprised to find that the Japanese gardeners there even made a McDonalds look calm and tranquil.

  • arclight arclight

    liked this article as it mentions 1984 by George orwell, the msm and the four horsemen of the apocalypses szarkOsy, camerOn, Obama and their bOses or the four zeroes as I like to call them or zero fudge…lol!

    Bani Walid can’t be taken, so MSM ignore it; Britons forever will be slaves

    “As for Sirte; the rebels said they would take it on Friday. By 3pm, 22 NTC fighters were dead, and, 146 injured. Saturday came, and there has not been a declaration of “liberation” – at least not as far as I’m aware. If there was, it would be meaningless – that’s the whole point, isn’t it?”

  • Thyroid checkups begin for Fukushima children

    The Fukushima prefectural government has begun thyroid examinations for children in an effort to assess the health impact of the nuclear accident.

    The examinations will cover around 360,000 youths aged 18 or younger as of April 1st.

    Their health will be monitored for their …

  • IAEA radiation team arrives in Fukushima

    A team of radiation experts from the International Atomic Energy Agency has visited Fukushima Prefecture to exchange views with members of the Japanese government decontamination task force.

    The 12-member IAEA team has …

  • Vietnam to open investment center in Japan

    Vietnam is planning to open a liaison office in Tokyo to help Japanese firms invest in the country.

    Vietnam’s Ministry of Planning and Investment is preparing to set up an investment center in cooperation with a Japanese private organization, Vietnam Economic …

  • arclight arclight

    repost watch the introduction of the victims within the first five minutes…speaks volumes!!

    White Light/Black Rain: The Destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki 01/06

    White Light/Black Rain: The Destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is an HBO documentary film that was directed and produced by Steven Okazaki and was released on August 6,
    heres a teaser…..

    2007 on HBO, marking the 62nd anniversary of the first atomic bombing. The film features interviews with fourteen Japanese survivors and four Americans involved in the 1945 atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

  • Save the propaganda

    Japanese national broadcasting company NHK is losing its customers.

    By the end of September, over 98,000 contracts were cancelled.

    They say it is because they changed the broadcasting system from analog to digital (July, except for the disaster area), but cancellation is increasing.

    End of August: 59,000 contracts cancelled.

    End of September: 98,000 contracts cancelled.

    Only within a month, cancellation increased by 166%.

    There are still 10,000 potential cancellations, NHK is assumed to lose more …

    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      Not necessarily about turning off propaganda. Maybe the Japanese know something about digital that Americans are slow to grasp.

  • Prologue of another Chernobyl
    Minamisoma shi, inside of the 20km area.

    It’s abandoned from the rest of the world.

    The pictures of there remind you of Chernobyl. (Source)

    Less damage of Tsunami, but nobody is on the street.

  • Nothing’s improved
    Mr.Plutonium, Hirotada Ohashi has become a committee of “Nuclear safety board” for Hokuriku power company.

    He’s famous for his “very unique” theory that you can drink plutonium.

    According to his opinion, nobody has ever died of plutonium in history.

    You can never die of plutonium even if you DRINK it.

    However, nobody has ever seen him drinking plutonium.

    He belongs to …

  • RAH

    Could use a little help over here if anyone has some time.
    The shills are at it again on HP.

  • arclight arclight

    Sunday, October 9, 2011
    #Radiation in Japan: US State Dept Does Say Risk is Higher Within 80-km Radius

    When Goshi Hosono, Minister of the Environment and Minister in charge of Fukushima nuke accident, said “It’s a great endorsement by the United States government on the Japanese government effort in winding down the accident”, he was talking about the supposed decision by the US government to “shrink” the area for the US citizens in Japan to avoid from the 80-kilometer radius from the stricken plant to the 20-kilometer radius.

  • arclight arclight

    wade allison is a dickhead (official) so say exskf

    :L) 🙂 🙂 have a read here lol

    exskf wading into wade!! must read comments too! lol

  • Radiation in Japan: US State Dept Does Say Risk is Higher Within 80-km Radius

    When Goshi Hosono, Minister of the Environment and Minister in charge of Fukushima nuke accident, said “It’s a great endorsement by the United States government on the Japanese government effort in winding down the accident”, he was talking about the

  • A Peek Inside the IAEA

    October 9th, 2011 | Add a Comment

    [Translate] This rather mundane looking letter from 2000 talks about a number of concerns going on with the IAEA at that time. One concern was the Bushehr nuclear plant in Iran. “Indications that Russia’s efforts to complete the Bushehr reactor in Iran are plagued with severe safety considerations as witnessed by periodic visits by IAEA experts. ” Recently a whistleblower told that the Bushehr plant was a safety disaster and that it was hobbled together with disparate parts by second string engineers. The US had concerns about the lack of safety assistance at the Mayak nuclear site in Russia. This is similar to the Hanford …

    • arclight arclight


      “International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Yukiya Amano told journalists that nuclear energy is not solely for advanced countries but also developing countries like Vietnam, which can implement and apply nuclear energy towards its economic development.

      Foreign Minister Pham Binh Minh asked Amano to have the IAEA continue to help Vietnam, especially in the implementation of the nuclear power program to assist the country’s socio-economic development. Minh applauded the IAEA’s role and contribution to international efforts in promoting the use of atomic energy for peace while helping to increase atomic safety and security and added that, apart from supporting and joining international efforts against the spread of nuclear weapons, Viet Nam attached great importance to the legitimate rights of nations in using atomic energy for peaceful purposes, The Vietnam Plus news agency reported.

      The International Atomic Energy Agency estimates that by 2030 the number of nuclear plants will increase by 350 because many countries want a stable and secure source of energy, supplementing the world’s current 432 nuclear power plants. Amano said, “Every country wants energy security because it is an essential need. This is why many nations, including those in ASEAN, want to keep nuclear power as an option.”

      By. Charles Kennedy, Deputy Editor

      Oct. 5, 2011


  • Nuclear stress test survey

    An NHK survey shows that more than 40 percent of the country’s prefectures and municipalities hosting nuclear power plants approve of the government’s stress tests to confirm the safety of idle nuclear reactors. But nearly 80 percent were cautious about resuming their operation.

  • Power-saving winter products

    In the aftermath of the nuclear accident in Fukushima, department stores have started selling energy-saving products for the winter season.

    Takashimaya opened a selling space dedicated to such products 2 weeks earlier than usual this year, expecting power-saving efforts to continue into the winter.

    Twenty percent more such …

  • BANGKOK — At least 10 Japanese factories at the Saha Rattana Nakorn Industrial Estate were submerged as of Wednesday in Thailand’s flooded Ayutthaya Province, …

  • SWEET ! Owner reunited with his dog after six months
    OSAKA (majirox news) — A 62-year-old man saw his dog for the first time in six months at the Japan Animal Trust shelter located in Osaka. The dog owner fled the city of Miami-soma after Japan’s devastating earthquake and tsunami of March 11, and like many others was forced to leave his pet behind.
    Groups who rescued and provided care for the animals are now working to reunite them with their owners.
    “It was a great reunion, and he came right up to me,” the dog owner said. “As soon as I settle down, I want to live with my dog again.”
    Another dog owner said, “I spent such a happy time after such a long absence and we played and played.”
    Japan Animal Trust, a nonprofit organization and …

  • Tokyo HackerSpace’s volunteers take ‘people power’ to radiation monitoring

    TOKYO (majirox news) – Radiation from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant is not leaking evenly and many parts of the United States have higher radiation levels than Japan, according to, which uses volunteers armed with bento box (lunch box) monitors to gather radiation data.
    Safecast, an international volunteer organization, works with Tokyo HackerSpace to help people affected by Japan’s disasters.
    “People have a reaction of fear and panic, which I am not saying is unwarranted, but we have found that this type of contamination is not uniform and is spread out in different locations, so unless you go and measure …

    • Bobby1

      “many parts of the United States have higher radiation levels than Japan”…

      Yes, look at the graphic at

      The affected areas in eastern Japan have high levels of contamination. But almost ALL the US has higher amounts than the REST of Japan.

      It is easier for Japanese to avoid contaminated food and water than it is for Americans.

      And there are more people in the US than Japan. In the long run, more people are going to die in the US than Japan from this.

  • milk and cheese milk and cheese

    The Fukushima Diary blog reported that TEPCO ‘cut the pipe’ that was allegedly full of hydrogen gas on Monday (Japanese Time.) The cutting was to have been done between 5 PM and 9 PM, Japanese time. Did anyone notice anything odd going on in the camera views?

  • Sickputer

    Question: Can a deliberate nuclear explosion excavate the out of control nuclear fires at Daiichi and drown the coriums in the ocean?

    Background info:

    We have all heard of traditional large forest fires being fought with backfires to deny fuel for the raging wildfires. There are dangers in doing a backfire because they can also get out of control with the wind. This technique has never been applied to a nuclear fire, but there has never been a nuclear fire out of control as long as the Daiichi situation.

    In a runaway nuclear reactor core meltdown the reactor corium is not burning in the traditional sense similar to the Chernobyl fire. These runaway coriums migrated beyond the containment vessels and possibly even the building confines. Complicating matters the radiation emitted upward from the corium is extremely deadly to humans so much so they can not approach that area to excavate or try removing the corium. Machines have not been invented to counter these dangerous coriums.

    The fact is that after 60 years nuclear fires are still basically fought by humans with buckets of water. This lack of control is a fatal flaw in the whole concept of nuclear power for private industry. If you can’t cage the beast, it will eat you slowly, but surely without any means to control it.

    Part 1….to be continued…

    • Sickputer

      Part 2…

      So far Tepco has been unable to stop the radioactive releases of the corium and spent fuel rod areas. The video camera shows shimmers at night of radioactive releases even when no steam or smoke is visible. Monitors mounted at the plant report a 24-hour pattern of heavy nuclear releases. Over many months and years the cumulative effects of this toxic release will deposit huge amounts of radioactive isotopes in the Japanese archipelago and far beyond…Korea, western China, Russia, and everywhere the wind blows. Feed and bleed water operations still in use at several reactors guarantees the growing contamination of the Pacific Ocean and sea life. The air releases are of great concern because the poison travels so far and so fast in the jetstream currents.

      The question asked is whether a nuclear explosion can blow the island into the ocean and stop the air releases. Obviously this does not stop the sea contamination. But which of the dangers from the toxic plant is worse to mankind, the air releases or the sea releases? That is the first question to ask before even looking at the technical aspects of a deliberate explosion.

      ….to be continued

      • Sickputer

        Part 3…

        The fact that humans live on land and land masses represent 30% of the earth’s surface must be considered. The ocean is larger and will have more volume to hold the toxins from the entire plant. On the negative side many peoples of the earth get their food from the sea and once in the ocean some of the toxins will migrate to all the seashores in the world…not just the northern hemisphere.

        Heavier particles of radiation may sink into the ocean and not migrate as fast. But hurricanes and typhoons will stir up the toxins for millennia.

        There is precedent for dropping radiation in the ocean…it has been done before many times either accidentally or on purpose by nuclear nations. Crashed planes with weapons, sunken nuclear submarines, and the many nuclear plants on seashores have at times had major releases, some very large releases for decades before being controlled.

        OK…so if the answer is yes, it is more dangerous to allow years of air releases at Daiichi and a sea burial is desired…how can this be done?

        Let us look back in time to the Storax Sedan test explosion of 1962 in Nevada. It was a part of the Operation Plowshare experiments to see if nuclear weapons could be used for commercial excavations (building roads, canals, bridges, natural gas exploration.

        Sedan was a big success in creating a big crater. It was unfortunately the worst radioactive fallout test ever conducted by the American military.

        To be continued..

        • Sickputer

          Part 4…

          The fallout cloud was huge and affected many unsuspecting (and unwarned) Americans. Other tests like Rio Blanco in Colorado in 1973 used three 33-kiloton underground explosions to blow out shale in an attempt to get to natural gas deposits. It worked quite well to find the gas, but the gas deposits were contaminated permanently and could never be used by consumers.

          So does this sound like an explosion at Daiichi would be out of the question? Maybe. That is definitely one of the risks…that the explosion may just add more radiation and stir up the rest. But what if the explosive charge is an ERW (Enhanced Radiation Weapon) also known as a neutron bomb? This is the much ballyhooed “clean” bomb of the Carter and Reagan eras that was designed to kill invading troops in Nato nations and leave the land uncontaminated. Supposedly the US dismantled their last neutron warhead in 2003.

          The Chinese, Russians, and French have also dabbled in neutron weapons. One of these countries surely still has some in storage and
          since China, Russia, and the US are the countries most at danger from a 10-year release of vapors from Fukushima Daiichi, then I’m sure they could whip one up in a matter of months, if not weeks.

          OK…so assuming the major powers can roll out a “safer” nuclear weapon…how would it be employed to drown Fukushima island? And
          more importantly, will Japan agree to their help?

          to be continued

          • Sickputer

            Part 5

            Because a nuclear blast, even a controlled neutron bomb blast could have repercussions and serious side effects like earthquakes or worsen the corium dangers if they are left exposed. The plan must have a good chance of achieving the goal without creating another 9.0 earthquake or opening up three coriums to the sky. I think plate tectonics will not be disturbed by a small blast and they have a great deal of data from so many underground tests that this question should be resolved.

            So let’s say they agree to the plan…where are the charges placed and how will they be exploded? I have thought a great deal about
            this studying Plowshare data and kiloton size and taking into account the smaller blast effect of neutron bombs. I originally thought it would be best to place charges on the leeward side of the island using drilling rigs to reach a depth of 200 feet and spread out in a linear line of five 100-kiloton bombs parallel to the nuclear plant and on the western edge of the island. With the corium now boring deeper the drilling might need to go another 100 feet deeper. Pick a day with strong winds blowing out to sea for the detonations.

            To be continued…

          • Sickputer

            Part 6…last segment

            However after more consideration, I think that an underwater explosion might be more effective and collapse the island inward into a hole instead of pushing it out. Position drilling ships and run directional drilling from several hundred yards out in the ocean to the shore and drill down at a 45 degree angle into the ocean shoreline stopping 200 hundred yards short of the plants. Less explosives should be needed to blow out a hole in the ocean floor and collapsing the plant into the new crater. Three 100 kiloton bombs should be sufficient.

            A hundred cargo ships should be stationed nearby loaded with concrete mixture and borax ready to pour on the dumped plant in the ocean as soon as possible.

            Yes, this is an incredibly complex plan and the stuff of Hollywood movies. But at least it’s a plan and so far we haven’t seen anything presented by Tepco to stop the radioactive pollution.

  • This photo, released on Saturday by Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO), shows the damaged No. 3 reactor building at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant in Okuma, Fukushima Prefecture. Officials said Sunday the plant is now relatively stable.

    • Sickputer

      Thanks XD…I got in a comment there to express my point of view.

      I’ll repost here:

      Yes, after the latest news about the Tokyo water supply being compromised with Okutama showing huge amounts of cesium it is nice to know that Unit 3 is stable. Actually we know there is probably some nuclear corium (Tepco’s taboo word) left there burning inside and definitely some hot Cories down in the bowels of Units 1 and 2. Oh I forgot…Tepco likes to call them Blocks now.

      Ok…when the fat ladies (Corie) sings we are going to see some hydrovolcanic activity that will make Fortune Island really rock. And when the spring snows in 2012 melts and the trees dump their load of nuclear isotopes on the water tables you better hope you have hit the lottery by then because you will need to drink and BATHE in Evian water…just like the motorcycle guy. Oh, and find some imported food from Chile to munch on because the rice and seafood is going to glow in the dark.

      Seriously folks…if a nuclear plant in my state in the US blew like Fukushima I would have been long gone the same day. I don’t need some nuclear industry bureaucrat telling me that I need to think happy thoughts! Take care and wear your respirators.

  • Strontium-90 Discovered in Yokohama City, 245 km from Fukushima I Nuke Plant

    Details in the mail magazine by the independent journalist Yasumi Iwakami (paid subscription). I’m asking if I could translate and post it here.

    The number is more than 150 times more than the background (1.2 becquerels/kg).

    As far as the Ministry of Education is concerned, the southern most detection of strontium-90 was in Shirakawa City, 79 kilometers from the plant. The Ministry doesn’t have a plan …

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      Thanks, Heart

      Magnitude5.5 Date-Time
      • Monday, October 10, 2011 at 02:45:56 UTC
      • Monday, October 10, 2011 at 11:45:56 AM at epicenter
      Location37.541°N, 141.249°E
      Depth30.2 km (18.8 miles)
      Location Uncertaintyhorizontal +/- 18.1 km (11.2 miles); depth +/- 8.1 km (5.0 miles)

      11:46 JST 10 Oct 2011 37.5N 141.5E 50 km 5.6 Fukushima-ken Oki

      Fukushima #1 37.422972N 141.032917E
      Using the USGS coordinates, this earthquake is 14.4 mi (23.15 km) NE from Fukushima Daiichi (#1) Nuclear Power Plant

      You can see this earthquake at:

  • Sickputer

    See the earthquake at Unit 1… 11:00 feed and 2:17 in at FukuLive.. Sorry… On iPhone and URLs suck copying from YouTube for some reason. Look in webcam Discussion above if you don’t have Fuku bookmarked.