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2010 Recommendations of the ECRR
The Health Effects of Ionising Radiation Exposure at Low Doses and Low Dose Rates for Radiation Protection Purposes:
Regulators’ Edition
Edited by Chris Busby with Rosalie Bertell, Inge Schmitz-Feuerhake, Molly Scott Cato and Alexei Yablokov
Published on Behalf of the European Committee on Radiation Risk
Comité Européen sur le Risque de l’Irradiation, Brussels
by Green Audit, Aberystwyth 2010.
http://www.euradcom.org/2003/order.htm
http://www.euradcom.org/2011/ecrr2010.pdf
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In the PDF there is everthing you need to know about low radiation exposure and how big the percentage is of getting cancer from it.
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Great PDF… First page mentions Chris Busby and Rosalie Bertell. Without reading it I bet I get the jist of what is says exclusively on the fact that the two people I mentioned are in it.
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Thanks, GenpatsuNoUso. I was struck by this statement in the pdf:
2010 Recommendations of the ECRR
The Health Effects of Exposure to Low Doses of Ionizing Radiation
“It is important to note that science and scientific conclusions are not the same as conclusions based on legal styles of evidential analysis. Science is not a simple question of weighing evidence for and against a theory or model of reality as it might be in a court of law or in everyday decision-making. The rules are strict. If one single piece of experimental evidence cannot be explained or incorporated into a theory, the theory has to be discarded (Kuhn 1962, Popper 1962). Therefore the existence of the nuclear site child leukemia clusters alone is enough to falsify (to prove wrong) the ICRP risk model; yet nothing has been done despite these data emerging in the 1980s. The Committee feels that it may be illuminating to ask how such a state of affairs, once set up in ignorance, becomes crystallised and difficult to challenge, even when large numbers of sick and dying draw attention to the existence of an insecure model….”
http://www.euradcom.org/2011/ecrr2010.pdf
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With Steve Jobs’ battle with pancreatic cancer, I wondered about the increase in pancreatic cancer and found this:
“Health and Human Services literature also suggests a possible association between ionizing radiation exposure and prostate, nasal cavity/sinuses, pharyngeal and laryngeal, and pancreatic cancer.”
http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/fact-sheets/bio-effects-radiation.htm
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page not found now
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http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/fact-sheets/bio-effects-radiation.html
(My error, I left off the “l” for html)
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Sorry I side with the ICRP and their estimates. The scientific community is on board with that.
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Welcome back. ‘Figured you’d just be dying to get your EXPERT, SUPERIOR two cents’ worth in here today.
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Chernobyl disaster linked to higher rate of infant mortality in Britain
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/chernobyl-disaster-linked-to-higher-rate-of-infant-mortality-in-britain-471028.html
There seems to be a correalation between radiactive plume fallout and the rise of the infant mortality rate:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/06/10/is-the-increase-in-baby-deaths-in-the-us-a-result-of-fukushima-fallout/
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Ernest Sternglass was, I think, the first scientist to statistically prove a link between fallout areas and rad levels, esp correlated with rainfall, between both infant mortality and low-birth weight babies, in his study of the after-effects of America bombing itself hundreds of times in the 1950s and 1960s. He showed a direct statsitical correlative link between fallout areas and infant mortality. All infant mortality in the US was falling until we started bombing ourselves hundreds of times, then it stopped falling, esp in fallout areas, and the levels did not begin to rise again until after the atmospheric testing ban in 1963. Sternglass was also attacked, but his integrity is impeccable, and he continues to publish. This information is KNOWN, and it is TRUE, but neither the government nor the nuke industry pays attention ANYWHERE on our planet because BOTH have been corrupted by their close association with each other since 1945. Even the WHO was silenced by a 1950s mutual contractual agreement with the IAEA when the WHO started investigate genetic anomalies related to radiation. Now it can’t do any radiation health studies unless the IAEA agrees to the study! Search comments for Sternglass and you will find full references in the bibliography I just posted, or search google for Ernest Sternglass. Some INDEPENDENT citizen people in Japan need to be on top of the infant birth, mortality and low birth weight statistics from January-Dec 2010 AND Jan-Dec 2011 and all the…
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Sternglass came to our class 25 years ago to give a seminar when I was in graduate nuclear engineering and the professors basically undressed him. His methods were very suspect and hearing him was all I needed to be convinced his methods had no merit.
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And that statement about “his methods were very suspect and hearing him was all I needed to be convinced his methods had no merit,” is based on what? What’s your reasoning?
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Nice try atoms4peace… but go read Sternglass' actual work; don't just rely on the opinions many years ago of some pro-nuke professors. Explain the increase in infant deaths associated with every major radiological release since 1945….
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@Arizonan
August 9, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Right you are. Since then results favourable to Sternglass's work has appeared all over the world. I was horrified to see the results for India you Atoms4peace1:
http://deathdealersnukes.blogspot.com
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Well look, Rod Adams rears his ugly head!
Did you come here to educate us with your opinions Rod?
The truth must be gettin to you Pro-Nukers, or as I like to abbreviate it to, PUKERS.
And that wasn't even a half hearted attempt at discrediting the truth from Ernest. Come on Rod, back it up with something we can really rip into…
BTW, how'd you like the NRC's token ruling on plant's that will never be built? Kinda put a damper on that fairy tale renaissance, didn't it?
Oh Hey Rod, you goin to the rally on the 20th in DC?
3-Day DC Rally for Nuclear Free Future Seeks to Mobilize Election Year Policy Shifts on Nuclear Issues
http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/823049
LOL
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Talk about an adhominem, wow, put that into Websters!
Pro Puker alert!
If you want to really get into psyops, this blog post explains how. these pro nukers are so brainwashed, that can't even pull off a simple act of deception, they need to directly control the media (think GE buying 255 media outlets). Sad those nukers.
http://oahutrading.blogspot.com/2012/08/seeing-without-deception-is-becoming.html
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It’s hard for people in the grips of a disaster to read long documents like this, especially when it’s hard enough to keep up with news and current events. I wish someone could summarize the effects and post them here!
Fatigue after eating, stiff/sore back, eye irritation, more moles on skin, sensitive teeth, irritated ear piercings, tiny pains in abdominal area that stay in the same place for awhile and then go away.
Those are some things I noticed when living in Kansai. I’m not sure if these are radiation effects, I just didn’t notice them before last spring/summer.
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be cool if someone could cliffnote the good stuff from the day prior into bite size mini bits of quickly digestible data– minienenews.com!
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Cliff notes from this low level rad forum up to comment 185 now gathered at Reality Check
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/forum/index.php/topic,152.0.html
thank you all and many apologies if i did not give every one credit. i tried to keep it to mostly links, and not so much comments. Merry holy days, chemfood
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Tanuki San,
Yes, it is hard for people in the grips of a disaster to read all these long documents. I will do some more research over the next week and see if I can accurately summarize some of the immediately-obvious low-level effects. At Three Mile Island, PA, where the nuclear industry apparently lied about total emissions, ordinary citizen people nevertheless reported metal-taste-in-mouth, nosebleeds, and exhaustion. There was a Japanese researcher who did an ethnographic survey of symptoms. I’ll see if I can find more and try to summarize, but I am sure our online community will help. At Three Mile Island, nuclear industry-paid scientists argued backwards: they said, basically, “none of these effects should be noticeable at the level of emissions which have been reported, therefore they cannot be related to radiation.” This is very unscientific. There were no immediate or long-term epidemiological studies, because the “levels released were so low.” In fact, they were much higher than was reported to the local population in Pennsylvania, as verified by independent sampling. One should start with the effects on human beings, and then try to figure out the level of releases, not the other way around.
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The effects are so low we will not study them in relation to the exposure. And because the exposure is so low we will not study the effects. ‘Sounds like a cat chasing its tail, doesn’t it?
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@Arizonan
September 24, 2011 at 8:01 pm
Truthful ways of action beautifully put up by you. What a hit to pronuking pogroms.
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My experience during Chernobyl disaster:
1. Skin irritation, usually felt like tickling.
2. Fatigue.
3. Sleepiness.
First time I felt tickling like sensation, more like itching than tickling was in one of the first days of the disaster. I was outside on the rain, using collected rain water to make concrete for foundation on the house I live in today. When I discovered that I was exposed to radioactive water and rain I abandoned the constriction for five years.
Fatigue and sleepiness came later, when heavy rain piled up radiation. I had to move to another flat.
I never felt metallic taste in my mouth. I lived on canned food and water from deep thermomineral water for two years.
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Howdy,
I have been studying biology for about a decade and I KNOW there is no such thing as unharmful amount of radiation.
Mr. Busby also knows this and so does everyone, who really understand how radiation acts in your body.
First of all, let me make this clear: if the air radiation is above normal, there is radioactive particles in the air.
It is very clear, that the media is trying to hide the truth about Fukushima. One thing is, that they NEVER speak of anything else but cesium and iodine.
In Chernobyl, there was 500 different radioactive isotopes released. But, in Chernobyl there was no plutonium release. Plutonium particle can give you cancer in a millionth gram amount. So it is very, very much more dangerous than cesium and iodine.
Now, when you see with radiation meter, that the air is high with radiation, there is a change that you are inhaling plutonium particles. It is only luck, if you can avoid them.
So please people, share this information and share enews web address in facebook, twitter, everywhere. This is the thing we can do to help japanese people and help ourself. This is a global disaster and affects us all. We need to break down the media blackout!
- Henri
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GREAT points!!!
This whole thing runs contrary to science and sanity. The govt. needs to issue warnings, take precautions, and put major pressure on the industry and Japan for a change. We ARE ingesting man-made radionuclides already…
I had my local Radiological Divison of the Health Dept. check local produce (East Coast) with some sophisticated equipment… A number of natural radioactive isotopes registered, along with a minor amount of Cesium 137! The Dept. admitted that it could not test Strontiums in its mobile lab and would have to wait weeks for results from a separate lab. However, if Cesium has been confirmed to contaminate crops out here, even slighty, then Strontium definitely has touched down!
I also had some California-grown carrots tested last month. The carrots had been washed and peeled. The level of Cesium for that one sample of CA produce was 4X HIGHER than measured for all 9 of my samples together of local East Coast produce (from PA & VA farms). Interesting!
i.e. 1 bag of peeled, certified organic California Carrots had 4 times the counts of Cesium 137 as did multiple tomatoes, kale, pear, yellow squash, red peppers, figs, a beet, and a few other things from local PA and VA farms!
That was a shocker! To be fair, the amount of Cesium in the CA carrots was still well below any stated danger standards, but long-lived Cesium IS THERE. It IS harmful and cumulative. By U.S. standards, the level was extremely low. By Japanese…
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Alasanon,
I am so glad you have been getting these kinds of tests done. They are very important. I am wondering if you are in a position to post photographs of the documents from the lab that have the provenience of the sample (where it came from), as well as the levels of specific radionuclides that were found. Please??!! Pretty please??!:)) I know by Japanese standards none of the radionucliides being found in CA,WA,OR,AK or Canada are very high. Still, they are evidence of travel and harm. We are all downwinders, not only the Japanese, and the sooner people realize this the more it will become possible to actually help the people in Japan. We MUST break through the media blackout. Be persistent.
We could create a mass archive of evidence here that would be available to all anti-nuke workers around the world in a permanent, easily accessible form.
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Can you post the test results, please, try using “box” as a free posting website if needed.
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Yes, I will try to get those print-out results posted when I am back at home with access to them… (trying to eat healthy on the road now
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The level was low, but showed an undeniable spike for Cesium 137, one of the most prevalent and fastest moving byproducts of a nuclear plant accident. The much greater levels in (peeled!) CA veggies was stunning, but it does make sense geographically.
As a reminder, all of the produce was lovely & appetizing…you would never guess!…
To add, the radiologist detected minute amounts of Cesium in my tap water as well! (ick) And he reminded me that the gamma rays continue to work on you, even if you do not take in the water internally… Heavy. He went on to say that I shouldn’t be worried about any of factors though at these levels…?
Please go to your local farmers’ markets and encourage them to use greenhouses!
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Inaccurate, I’m afraid! There WAS plutonium (PU) released in the Chernobyl disaster, but not as much as is being released at Fukushima. Soil samples from the Chernobyl exclusion shown contain it, and Chernobyl plutonium has also been found in Sweden and Poland:
(peer-reviewed): J.W. Mietelski and B. Was (1995) Plutonium from Chernobyl in Poland. Applied Radiation and Isotopes 46(11), pp. 1203-1211. (The authors work at Henryk Niewodniczański Institute of Nuclear Physics, PL 31-342, Kraków, Radzikowskiego 152, Poland. Abstract says they found above 25Bm-2 of all alpha emitters in their Polish samples.)
(Link to non-peer reviewed article at Science Daily, Oct. 2, 2008 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081001130000.htm )
Scientists from case Western Reserve University found Pu239 and Pu240 in Swedish soil samples that were above levels in Poland. “Matisoff will present his findings on Monday, October 6, at the 2008 Joint Meeting of the Geological Society of America, Soil Science Society of America, American Society of Agronomy, Crop Science Society of America, and Gulf Coast Association of Geological Societies in Houston.”)
Please just do a quick search on google for correct information before posting inaccurate information in this forum. Thank you. It took me less than ten minutes to find evidence that YES, PLUTONIUM WAS RELEASED FROM CHERNOBYL. No one has time to do this every day though, but I will try.
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Here is a map of Chernobyl plutonium contamination, it’s on the right-hand side of the graphic:
http://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/Pub886_web/Chernobylmap2.html
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Not found? were you the one who gave me these fuku.ussr comparison maps http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/forum/index.php/topic,67.msg332.html#msg332
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Nope, not me. The Dr Hayakawa Chernobyl-Fukushima comparison is here:
http://kipuka.blog70.fc2.com/
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ty. these i have not yet seen. you have link for that original chernobyl contamination map possibly?
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I just have these 2 maps, they worked for me here today.
Chernobyl cesium: http://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/Pub886_web/Chernobylmap1.html
Chernobyl strontium & plutonium: http://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/Pub886_web/Chernobylmap2.html
Warning: very large files.
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Hmm. We get 2 mrem or 0.02 mSv for sleeping next to someone every night. Is that safe?
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Are you Sir Henri Rusti a.k.a. Robin Huudi?
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Robin/Henri, I don’t think your post re: “no plutonium” is accurate.
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By Japanese standards, the level was non-existent. It’s all relative. That said, it does not bode well.
(I’m not trying to incite panic–just add to scientific inquiry and ACTION!!)
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Good point, if cesium is there, then strontium and plutonium are also probably there.
Since we are going to be consuming this stuff for the rest of our lives, and for many generations after us, we should note that all radioactive exposure on any level causes damage, and this damage is cumulative.
Cesium will eventually leave the body, but strontium and plutonium don’t leave, these isotopes go into bones and stay there. So not only is the damage cumulative, but the actual amount of these isotopes themselves is also cumulative.
Eternal vigilance is called for here.
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Slightly inaccurate. A % of caesium goes to heart muscle and stays there. It doesn’t all just magically “leave the body.” That’s why and how Bandachevsky found a statistical link between levels of caesium present in the heart muscle of children and how many heart attacks they were starting to have. The more caesium in heart muscle, the more problems with the EKGs. The phenomenon was statistically, numerically proven. That’s about when the tyrant in the Ukraine had the man arrested and imprisoned. After an international outcry in the 90s he was released I think.
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Correction: a % of Cs goes to all muscle; it is just concentrated more in smaller hearts.
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The testing they did was really neat because it tested for about 100 individual radioactive isotopes.
The good news (if you can call it that) was that there were no Radioiodines, Uranium, or Plutonium that showed up in any of these tests from August 2011. I believe that it tested for about 100 different isotopes.
It’s great to have an audience that is as curious & inquisitive as I was. Try your local radiological labs. Persistence can pay off! That was the best free benefit of my taxes in years!
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Would you please elaborate on “the testing?” Do you mean done on you personally? On soil? I’m sorry, I didn’t get what you were trying to convey about the testing. Thanks.
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sorry, I was interrupted by the hurricane & related flooding, power outages, etc. I managed to get a very scientific test by a Health Dept. radiologist on my local veggies and tap water in late August…. It showed Cesium 134 & Cesium 137 in the fresh, unwashed East Coast local farm veggies, and even in my Virginia water from a local surface river source!!… However, there was 4X more in just one bag of washed & peeled carrots from CA!! (mind you, CA produce supplies most restaurant & grocery veggies–yikes!) Also, I did not report this, but the CA carrots set off an elevated beep (although not an emergency) that startled the radiologist a bit when we entered the mobile lab! He wanted to know what was in the cooler and when he passed the carrots in side over the sensitive door radiation monitor, it definitely registered!! The state radiologist then downplayed it and said he would be fine eating them–a very small amount, etc….
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I still can’t believe that CA carrots from Whole Foods set off the door monitor with an elevated beep. The whole radiology lab there is very sophisticated with millions in tech to measure nuclear contamination. So, this measurement was not only precise, but good to pick up very minor levels beyond what an ordinary person could measure….
I also had thought that carrots would be more protected underground?
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CDC video explaining Stochastic exposure at 2:10 minutes into the video. Graphic.(Stochastic is a ‘delayed effect’ such as cancer.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lBtjnQfuy4&list=PL69D1BB4DB0D8F834&index=19
Fukushima Fallout – Bird Studies in California based on Chernobyl (low level exposure)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hcBGSr9QGk&list=PL69D1BB4DB0D8F834&index=5
Genetic Mutations from Radiation (I think this was made by Disney?)
How much radiation is harmful to ANY living creature?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLrMS_zs1kE&list=PL69D1BB4DB0D8F834&index=18
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“Stochastic” – definition from Wikipedia, “A stochastic process is one whose behavior is non-deterministic, in that a system’s subsequent state is determined both by the process’s predictable actions and by a random element. However, according to M. Kac[1] and E. Nelson,[2] any kind of time development (be it deterministic or essentially probabilistic) which is analyzable in terms of probability deserves the name of stochastic process.”
In other words, the same two people could consume the same amount of Cs-137 contaminated beef or rice, and one might be affected by cancer and the other not, because of other random elements that enter into the process of cancer development: genes, overall diet, length of time person has been eating contaminated food, etc. Most radiation effects are expressed in terms of “risk” or “probability” because it is difficult to say in science that X definitely CAUSED Y. One can say there is a statistically significant correlation between X and Y, and that is given as proof of an effect. There is a statistically significant correlation between higher-than “normal” childhood leukemia rates and proximity to nuclear power plants, for example.
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Guys, I am really interested in this thread and I hope it stays on topic. Thanks for posting it.
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+100 staycalm …the links for this will be forthcoming i suspect…might take abit of time!
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staycalm, it is interesting, this thread topic….
I’m 51, and we were at the tail-end of “duck-n-cover”
schoolroom indoctrination. All Public Buildings used to have
a “Fallout Shelter” sign showing where to go to the basement.
My Dad was intentionally exposed to Nuke blasts at
Nevada Test Site while in the AirForce. It is a wonder that
He fathered four healthy (?) kids with a total of 3 different
mothers. He eventually, at 54 years, developed Leukemia
and died despite Chemo and all.
A Lifetime of smoking Pall Malls and also Drinking
could not have helped. We received a paltry award from
the Radiation Compensation program, because his
Service Record obviously proved the causal link.
None of us four Kids has Made any children ourselves…
so, are we “sterile”?…were we genetically damaged?
Maybe one day in a Wealthy alternative-universe, I will
get tests done, and become part of the body of ongoing
medical knowledge.
I trust you are aware of the “Downwinders”, in places like
St George and Cedar City, all across Utah and Wyoming?
There have been lots of historical Posts here at enenews with
“Low-Level Radiation” documentation.
Let’s make our own downloaded archives for “the Future” (?)
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Elenin,
Thank you for this post. I am sorry about what happened to your father. We are all doing work now to prevent more of these tragedies if we still can. I am wondering if you know if any of the other children of proven atomic veterans are also childless? Do you know if anyone has ever done such a study? Usually the studies are on people who have already come into existence; I suspect there is very little, besides Sternglass and Mangano, who look at the children who were never born because of low-level radiation. Someone should work on that, and all the children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren of all known atomic veterans should have chromosome testing done FREE OF CHARGE by any decent, responsible, kind, concerned, government of the people by the people for the people. Because the nuclear age is so relatively new, there have been few multi-generational studies except on other mammals. If you can find out anything, you have standing, and you would be able to find out perhaps from your compensation lawyers….??? If anyone is studying this?? No government or corporate entity could go on producing and emitting any level of radionuclides if we had vast, concerted, INDEPENDENT epidemiological studies, with 30K or so people, like Alice Stewart did in the 1950s, in each of all of the areas of our planet that have been contaminated with this DNA-bonding poison. Since her study on xray effects I really believe the nuke industry and its agents have tried to put the…
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Thanks for sharing Elenin. I posted a few times about downwinders months ago. One of the most comprehensive historical articles that covers that facet of nuclear insanity in America as well as a great overview of the entire history of the massive government collusion in supressing health warnings to the American public is found here:
http://www.nuclearcrimes.org/nevada.php
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Thank you!!! Fantastic link.
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…put the screws on any independent scientist finding these kinds of links. It has been all too frequent, since the 1950s, for independent scientists who find evidence of harm from low-level rad to be attacked mercilessly by scientists and propagandists in the paid employ of the industry. Still, they cannot lie forever. They will eventually have to shut down all nuclear power plants on the planet. But they might go on lying for decades. I just wish we could speed them up a little!
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Arizon writes >They will eventually have to shut down all nuclear power plants on the planet. But they might go on lying for decades.
SP:
Decades indeed. It will not be a quick victory by any means. It takes great sacrifices and martyrs to change a mindset so entrenched by power and position. It is possible many large scale nuclear accidents still have to occur to make nuclear energy go away in this century and the century is young so that is not encouraging.
Contaminating land in Japan and Chernobyl will not be enough to change most national government positions for nuclear power and the end of nuclear power is going to be extremely difficult to make it a global trend.
There are 196 countries in the world. Since 1990, 29 new nations have come into being. Most formed from the collapse of the Soviet Union (14 countries) and 7 countries from the breakup of Yugoslavia. The power and influence of the UN on the 192 nation members is a colossal joke.
It is a starting point to have such a large scale accident in a major country like Japan as it will be massively documented in the new information era of the Internet which was not available in 1986 (Chernobyl).
Inexorably the continuing tragedy in Japan will change some country mindsets. The worse it gets in Japan the more effect it will have on other nations. The Japanese are the unfortunate martyrs for the world, but to fully change the world in this decade their sacrifice may not be enough.
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PEER-REVIEWED ARTICLES: Evidence of Harm from Low-Level Man-Made Ionizing Radiation
NB: With one noted exception, the academic journal articles listed below are all peer-reviewed. (The pronuker industry always likes to scream about things not being peer-reviewed, even when the game is normally rigged against truly independent scientists.)
The following is only a very partial list, but it may be helpful, especially to those people currently fighting against the licensing or renewal of NPP. I have tended to select for studies that involve actual human beings rather than other mammals or cells.
Angelini et al (2004) 578 Biomarkers of susceptibility and DNA damage in humans exposed to chronic low level of ionizing radiation. Toxicology letters 144 (1):155.
(Not peer-reviewed): Bandazhevsky, YI. (2003) Chronic Cs-137 incorporation in children’s organs.
Swiss medical weekly, Sep 6. 133(35-36): 488-90.
Bertell, R. (1989) Nuclear radiation casualties. Medicine, Conflict and Survival 5(1): 64.
Bertell, R. (1979) The nuclear worker and ionizing radiation. American Industrial Hygiene Association journal 40(5): 395-401.
Bertell, R. (1988) Estimates of uranium and nuclear radiation casualties attributable to activities since 1945. Medicine, Conflict and Survival 4(1):27-36.
Bertell, R. (2010) The Truth About Chernobyl. Capitalism Nature Socialism (21)3:118-120.
Busby and Fucic (2006) Ionizing Radiation and Children’s Health: Conclusions. Acta Paediatrica 95,…
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PEER-REVIEWED ARTICLES, CONT’D:
Busby and Fucic (2006) Ionizing Radiation and Children’s Health: Conclusions. Acta Paediatrica 95, Supp 453:81-85.
Chenal et al (2006) Delayed effects of low level acute irradiation and chronic environmental contamination on DNA lymphocytes of people living in Dolon, a settlement located in the vicinity of the Semipalatinsk nuclear test site (Kazakhstan). The Science of the Total Environment 369(1-3): 91-98.
Gofman & Morgan (1983) Radiation and human health. Physics Today 36 (6).
Gofman & Tamplin (1970) Radiation: The Invisible Casualities. Environment: Science and Policy for Sustainable Development 12(3): 12-49.
Hagelström et al (1995) Chromosomal damage in workers occupationally exposed to chronic low level ionizing radiation. Toxicology letters 76(2): 113-117.
Mangano et al (2002) Infant Death and Childhood Cancer Reductions After N-Plant Closings in US. Archives of Environmental Health 57(1): 23-31.
Sternglass et al (2000) Sr-90 in Newborns and Childhood Disease. Archives of Environmental Health 55(4): 240.
Stewart, A. (1995) Alternative Sources of Risk Estimates for Cancer Effects of Radiation. The Mount Sinai Journal of Medicine NY 62(5): 380.
(Prof Alice Stewart did the original 1950s epidemiological project statistically proving that the risk of cancer doubled for children x-rayed in utero, and the nuclear industry and its agents then tried to ruin her career, but it was excellent research conducted by an…
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ALICE STEWART COMMENT, CONT’D
(Prof Alice Stewart did the original 50s epidemiological project statistically proving that the risk of cancer doubled for children x-rayed in utero, and the nuclear industry tried to ruin her career, but it was excellent research conducted by an Oxford-trained scientist.)
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BOOKS SHOWING HARM FROM LOW LEVEL RADIATION (LLR)
BOOKS:
Bertell, R. No Immediate Danger?: prognosis for a radioactive earth. Toronto: Women’s Press.
Busby, C. (1995) The wings of death: nuclear pollution and human health. Aberystwyth, U.K. : Green Audit.
Gofman, J. W. (1990) Radiation-induced cancer from low-dose exposure: an independent analysis. San Francisco, CA: Committee for Nuclear Responsibility.
Greene, G. (1999) The woman who knew too much: Alice Stewart and the secrets of radiation. Ann Arbor, MI: University of Michigan Press.
Sternglass, E. (1972, 1981) Secret Fallout: Low Level Radiation from Hiroshima to Three-Mile Island. NY: McGraw Hill. http://ratical.org/radiation/SecretFallout/
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ONLINE COMPENDIUMS OF EVIDENCE OF HARM FROM LLR:
Harm from low-level (man-made ionizing) radiation, compendium of evidence #1: http://www.llrc.org/health/subtopic/compendium.htm
Harm from low-level (man-made ionizing) radiation, compendium of evidence #2: http://www.llrc.org/health/subtopic/compendium2.htm
Harm from low level (man-made ionizing) radiation, compendium of evidence #3: http://www.llrc.org/health/subtopic/compendium3.htm
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You go, Arizonan!!!!!
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Low doses are fine if;
a) you are not iodine deficient (like all Americans are)
b) you have a high iodine intake – fish, shellfish, KI, etc
c) you aren’t exposed to excessive radiation in the future.
See, thats the problem. From my seat it looks like things will get worse before they get better. Speaking on just Japan, Japan looks to me like a time bomb. Most experts in the field have been over exposed or died already, they have 12 reactors in 3 plants all of which have melted down or are damaged, their grid is partially destroyed, and stressed, and EQs just keep on coming. From what I can tell there will be a time when living in Japan is suicide…and thats just Japan. There are hundreds of reactors world wide. It is no secret Earth is going through some changes and there is a good chance that more reactors will be effected.
At this point avoid ALL exposure. We aren’t simply ‘walking through a radiation park’. We are bathing in it, day after day, with plenty more where that came from.
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Inaccurate! Low doses are not only about Iodine-131, and low doses are not fine even if your thyroid is full of potassium iodide as a prophylactic. People must also start taking stable magnesium and calcium to avoid Sr90 and Pu from binding to the DNA, as Professor Busby says.
Yes, we are all wandering around with higher levels of background radiation, but this has been true ever since the trinity test before Hiroshima and nagasaki, and it was made worse as well by the US bombing itself and the rest of the planet with nuke “tests” during the 1950s and 1960s. It was only when independent scientists showed EVIDENCE of harm that nations finally agreed to end all above-ground nuclear testing. They found Sr-90 in children’s teeth from around the world. Sr 90 and Pu go to bone; the body acts like it thinks they are calcium.
Anyway, even if there is a lot of radiation out there, and we should avoid all the contamination we CAN avoid – depends on geography and “class” or access to economic assets – it is still important to go on demanding INDEPENDENT studies, and using the INDEPENDENT studies that have been done. Maybe we can put a stop to this whole nightmare sooner rather than later. These studies are resources for helping to do that, no matter how much the nuke industry and government ignore them. The real, independent science designed with integrity IS THERE. Warriors need to learn how to use it against the nuclear power plant in their neighborhood.
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Inaccurate!
Figured I would start out with “inaccurate” seeing you failed to point out which part of my statement you ‘thought’ was inaccurate, which Im sure you will find is none of it.
Regarding your ramblings, it is far too late to fix anything ‘through the system’. It is time for firmer measures. Regarding all radiation. The only radiation anyone should be experiencing is from the Sun.
The people will need to fix this problem on their own.
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Arizonan, let me run this by you.
From what I’ve read, the tendency is for radioactive isotopes (some of them; the ones which act like heavy metals in the body) displace healthy cations such as potassium, calcium, magnesium, correct?
If I remember correctly, bromine does the same thing.
I’m not a chemist.
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heavy metals TO displace, that is ….
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Problem is, you can’t consume seafood safely any longer. A good point was made on another thread about contaminated rice being used in pet food, which is also a concern. Where are the accurate radiation measurements for seafood, salmon, and tuna?
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I must disagree, based on Iodine 133 not being the only isotope we’re exposed to, supposedly at “low levels.”
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pg, the Iodine issue aside, I agree your post is likely on the mark.
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Low doses are fine if you happen to not have any DNA in your body….
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Wow Arizony! Whatta Bibibliography!
You just gave some Grad Student a Big Boot to their
research paper!
I Hope you are rootin’ for a Duck Roast this evening!
Thanks for the kind words for my Dad.
I noticed, in my naivete, that Profs and Department Heads
can be All About the Money, and even a little Sinister.
Our Compensation involved no lawyers….there was a
Downwinder Govt. program….four of us kids split $75,000,
that’s all…and they took months of holding our
Original Documents proving who we obviously were…
Maybe some new Comp program will arise in the future.
“Journals”, even “Peer” (GAG!) “Reviewed” types can be
sheer propaganda, corporate crapola…caint trust nobody!
Look at how much credibility we gave Colin Powell,
holding up his little Vial of “Anthrax” in the UN Circus
which justified Shock and Awe…
I’m afraid we will dwindle away to a Dark Age, where all
your Scholarship, all those citations, are blown away.
Nice work, Arizony!
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eating duck wings as a matter of fact. poor ducks are doomed! (sorry – off topic)
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Thanks for the kind words. I doubt any graduate student would be allowed to graduate if they used only citations by scientists not in the employ of the nuclear industry or the govt nuke agencies like the utterly corrupt IAEA. You are quite right, most of the so-called “peer-reviewed” science is bought and paid for by the nuclear industry. I’ve picked research that wasn’t. I was at a low-level radiation and health conference in England many years ago, and I actually heard a nuclear industry spokesman say, in response to audience questions about Selllafield and leukemia, that there was “no such thing as an independent scientist.” He was greeted by many boos and hisses in the audience, who knew that the Sellafield authorities had paid for a research project that suggested the childhood leukemias were due to a virus brought in by incoming migrant workers to the plant!!!! Yes, they lie, but yes, there is also some independent science, and we need to point it out to people.
I wonder if the government still has all those Downwinder names and info….I suppose so, but I bet they won’t part with them for a mass epidemiological study of fertility in the children and grandchildren of atomic veterans. In the Arizona county I am originally from, Yavapai County, the government was giving out $50,000 payouts for people who had certain cancers and had lived in Yavapai County during certain years and months when they said the fallout landed there. Most people spend years on the…
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CONT’D Most people spend years on the paperwork alone. I didn’t move there until after the cessation of atmospheric testing, but fallout of long-lived radionuclides doesn’t just go away in the wind….I’m sure some of it is still there, all over Coconino and Yavapai and Mohave Counties, where the Downwinder fallout payments have occurred. At least the govt admitted that much harm…better than nothing I guess, but still wholly inadequate to deal with the vast numbers of familial tragedies that resulted from what those bastards were doing.
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I am glad your family got belated compensation for your dad’s death at 54 from leukemia caused by radiation at Air Force bomb test sites.
But the money (not very much actually for the grief and loss of lifetime income of your dad) wasn’t very much compensation for losing a dad or for the probable teratogenic effects on you and your siblings.
The governemnt website for the RECA is here:
http://www.justice.gov/civil/common/reca.html
That category for Onsite Participant (your dad’s category) shows the highest ratio of denied claims among the categories (about 48%).
They keep a running tab on the claims here:
http://www.justice.gov/civil/omp/omi/Tre_SysClaimsToDateSum.pdf
So far 1.6 billion paid in claims to affected Americans. Obviously the government feels there were many deaths caused by radiation testing and uranium mining even if the nuclear industry continues to deny any harmful effects.
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Yah-tah-HEY!
You know, they still think they’re going to reopen
the mills, and the mines in the 4 corners…
I posted the Ad from the Silver City paper a while back,
Denison Mines…
Hillerman’s novels threw in some tidbits of old man wisdom.
Six-fingered Indins and such…! X-files took off with
those themes. I enjoyed some writing recently
about Geronimo…that he was quite the fourth-or-fifth
dimensional traveler and able to escape miraculously
many times from Cavalry by knowing the Time-space
folds and nooks and crannies.
Go ‘Cats!
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Yah-tah-hey!
Wow, I can’t believe anyone is ever going to mine uranium again after Fukushima! I know they are still issuing licenses to mine uranium near the Grand Canyon, too. The biology of inhaling soluble uranium-ore dust is very different from the biology of internalizing insoluble radionuclides such as those released by a FIRE and EXPLOSION in a nuclear reactor, or the insoluble radionuclides burned in DU weapons. If all uranium miners put down their tools today, and walked home to poverty and inadequate diets instead, their bodies would actually expel the uranium in a few days via the kidneys. However, they never get to do this because they are exposed to these dusts year in and year out. Most uranium mines around the world are on the lands of indigenous peoples of color, and the nuke industry lies to them too – if not more so!! The lung cancers and neurological problems among miners and children playing in uranium tailings are well-documented in India, Canada, Africa and the US – at a minimum! There are probably more places!
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BOOK CITATION:
Gofman and Tamplin (1971,1979) Poisoned Power: The Case Against Nuclear Power Plants Before and After Three Mile Island. Emmaus, PA: Rodale Press.
Full-text book available at:
http://ratical.org/radiation/CNR/PP/
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EVIDENCE OF HARM: another online compendium of scientific evidence against the nuclear industry:
“The Health Costs of Low-Level Ionizing Radiation” http://www.ratical.org/radiation/
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I liked this quote: It made me think!
“No degree of prosperity could justify the accumulation of large amounts of highly toxic substances which nobody knows how to make “safe” and which remain an INCALCULABLE danger to the whole of creation for historical or even GEOLOGICAL AGES. To do such a thing is a transgression against life itself, a transgression infinitely more serious than any crime ever perpetrated by man. The idea that a civilisation could sustain itself on the basis of such a transgression is an ethical, spiritual, and metaphysical monstrosity. It means conducting the economic affairs of man as if people (all life forms) really did not matter at all.” — E.F. Schumacher
Small Is Beautiful: Economics As If People Mattered, 1973, (Chp. 4, Nuclear Energy–Salvation or Damnation? )
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“To do such a thing [manufacture, accumulate and amass unsafe toxic radioactive elements] is a transgression against life itself, a transgression infinitely more serious than any crime ever perpetrated by man.”
SP:
It’s the Nuclear Holocaust and aimed at every member of the human race.
Usually the murderers exclude themselves from becoming victims in a holocaust campaign, but in this insane enterprise they have included themselves.
There is complicity that is far-ranging in this affair. As an example let me offer recent musings from the editor of the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists who brought us the Doomsday Clock.
It is now at 6 minutes to midnight since January 2010 and they never made any clock adjustments for TMI or Chernobyl so what can you expect for their objectivity?
Anyway, Mary Bricker (oh, from Don Luckey’s stomping grounds) brings us this pungent editorial thought:
“The Fukushima story is one that will emerge for months and years to come; the worst is behind us…”
http://www.thebulletin.org/web-edition/columnists/mindy-kay-bricker/time-of-catastrophe-time-education
Thank you Mary for solving all their problems!
Just when did you go there and extinquish the inextinquishable nuclear fires?
Get back to me on that thought my dear.
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More from the mad scientists at BAS….(one letter too many I think for this bunch of mad hatter atomic scientists.
http://bos.sagepub.com/content/67/5/9.full
Their Japanese writer Tatsujiro Suzuki continues the editor’s charade:
“Though months have passed, the situation at Fukushima Daiichi is not yet under control; it seems that the worst has happened, however, with no additional discharge of radioactive materials and the unlikely development of this in the future.”
SP: Well, he must have helped Mary put that nuclear wreck in order! It’s all safe now!
Oh wait…it turns out Tatsujiro Suzuki works as…drum roll please….”vice-chairman of the Japan Atomic Energy Commission. Formerly, he was the associate vice-president of the Central Research Institute of the Electric Power Industry in Japan”
SP: No conflict of interest I can see there! >;->
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Mary’s number two point man Frank Hippel puts them both to shame:
http://bos.sagepub.com/content/67/5/27.full
“Unless properly dealt with, however, fear of ionizing radiation could have long-term psychological effects on a large portion of the population in the contaminated areas. ….Finally, it is important to note that, if not dealt with properly, the psychological consequences associated with accidents such as Chernobyl and Fukushima could damage many more lives than the cancer consequences.”
SP: No need to repeat your insane theory Frank…we understood your nonsense quite well the first time.
Oh gee thanks Frank for your babble of outdated Fukushima statistics for a September article and your ridiculous pseudo-Freudian theories of radiation fear killing people. And I can see why based on your resume: “A former assistant director for national security in the White House Office of Science and Technology”
SP: Say hello to your buddies at the NRC…I am sure they appreciate your hard work for them!
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Another BAS article on Fukishima:
http://bos.sagepub.com/content/67/5/37.full
SP:
Not so bad for these guys as the article is fairly intelligible…yet it lacks the word “radiation” anywhere in its 3,830 words so I am not surprised it is fairly bland.
Basically they shift the whole blame onto the Japanese for failing to spend the billions of dollars to safeguard the plant against the natural hazards. The NRC and GE might not like that kind of big safety money talk guys! Guess you won’t be getting a stuffed Christmas card from those folks.
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Finally a BAS article to please possibly even enenewsers!
http://bos.sagepub.com/content/67/5/47.full
Edwin Lyman lays it out in great detail the hazards in nuclear plants which the NRC is unable and unwilling to correct.
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The last of the Sept/Oct special edition on Fukushima by BAS features Sharo Friedman.
http://bos.sagepub.com/content/67/5/55.full
While she also gives many statements explaining the media coverage it is what she doesn’t say that strikes me as the elephant left alone in the room.
For example here’s a part of her section on TV coverage:
“there were 29 nightly newscasts from ABC, CBS, and NBC that included coverage of the nuclear accident (2011). The networks reported on the accident every night until March 18. Then Fukushima coverage faded as other news topics took precedence, such as the violence in Libya. The three national networks covered the nuclear accident again on March 28, when leaks of highly radioactive water appeared, but after that, as of June 28, the nightly newscast on NBC had covered Fukushima events seven times, compared with three for CBS and one for ABC”
SP: So why did Friedman demur to suggest reasons WHY there was such a dropoff in TV coverage besides her lame little excuse about “other news topics.”
We know why don’t we? I will say it since she is too reluctant: There was a U.S. government decision made to issue an order for a blackout on TV coverage of Fukushima radiation news to protect the nuclear industry.
When that information is proven beyond just speculation by me and millions of other people then the perpetrators of the blackout will face a scandal in government not seen since Watergate.
If I were any of the…
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If I were any of the presidential candidates I would be devoting resources to finding that blackout smoking gun.It might come in really handy at the right time…and anytime is the right time to reveal that discovery.
The majority of Americans will vote for an anti-nuclear industry candidate when the turth is revealed. Over the next 13 months a green candidate platform will become very important because I don’t think the news from Japan is going to improve.
Even without finding evidence of government collusion of a news blackout a pro-nuclear stance by politicians will look very shaky in coming months.
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A4P1, do not underestimate the tenacity of people who know they are in a fight for their very existence.
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@Sickputer (because the reply function isn’t working)
Please don’t underestimate the psychological effects of the fear of radiation. Leaving aside the PHYSICAL realities of radiation for a moment, someone living in fear all the time has a crippling psychological effect. The book mentioned above, No Immediate Danger by Rosalie Bertell? I first read that when it came out 25 years ago, and whilst I have tried to educate myself out of fear over and beyond what is actually necessary as a survival mechanism, the fear you see on these pages with the kneejerk “OMG” and the doomsayers proves the point that the psychological effect is profound.
And if it is profound for us, imagine how it is if you are stuck there in Japan…
Just saying.
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Oh, and by the way? I don’t share your faith that the masses will vote how you hope. They’ll be too busy watching “America’s Got Talent”.
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Yes, America will still be under the ether with American Idol, etc,…UNTIL the deformed babies come. If they can’t SEE IT, TOUCH IT, FEEL IT,…it is NOT happening,…period. We prognosticate a lot around here,…myself included. I see quite a few 6-7 month ‘baby bumps’ here around in my town. I have one friend who delivered a seemingly???perfect baby 5 weeks ago. If these new babies are born well,…..I will relax my bum cheeks a little!
I will then start to think in terms of YEARS,…not months. My mind and heart are wide open.
Nothing but prayers for all His kids,….still hoping for the best. Amen.
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Hippel wrote quite plainly that he considered psychlogical dangers to be worse than cancer dangers. Certainly Japan has high suicide rates and that is easy to track for any increases as opposed to cancer deaths and many other deaths from non-cancer factors which can be denied as radiation-induced.
I am not a believer in “Happy Thoughts” solving the Japan contamination. It is physical substances that will cause the vast majority of the excess deaths in the coming years. Not some headshrink theory of millions of “unhappy” people dying early from stress. Some yes, but to say stress deaths will trump physical contamination of the human body is balderdash crap trumped up by nuclear industry goons.
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I’m sure many people were stressed out when the bubonic plague was going around medieval Europe, too.
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Good point!
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George Monbiot at the Guardian in England was pushing Hipppel’s thesis, that the pysch fear was worse than anything the rad wd do for you. I sd actually the reverse was true, and he asked me to provide references. The bibliographies above are a response to Monbiot (and Hippel) really. Monbiot has them as well, and he said he would read them “when he next got to the library.”
I really like the EF Schumacher quote above. He was such a clear thinker!!
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watch george get spanked by helen caldicott…very humbling lol
coal is worse than nuclear! a classic monibot moment…then helen pounced!! har har
part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p0d05M5JpY&feature=related
part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb5HItRpDY8&feature=related
nice one the democrasy now team!!
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oh and you mean this hippel?? lol
you could definitely warm to the author of this one lol
“Von Hippel describes his view on how some of Albright’s public recognition evolved:
As Albright became more visible and trusted as an independent expert, insiders with important information began to come to him for help to get their story out. Some governmental experts who disagreed with the CIA claim that the aluminum tubes that Iraq was importing were for manufacturing centrifuges came to Albright, for example, at a critical time in the U.S. debate over Iraq’s supposedly resurgent nuclear-weapons program.
Albright is also obviously well respected in the IAEA. He is always the first outsider I know to get a copy of the latest IAEA report on the results of its inspections in Iran. This gives him a chance to make a quick analysis to inform the media on the significance of the new findings. I am glad that the media has this alternative to whatever spin the Administration decides to apply.”
http://knol.google.com/k/nuclear-expertise-how-defined-how-abused#
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George Monbiot’s last name ends in – iot, and that’s all I have to say about his opinions!
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+100
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To further my argument regarding things getting worse, if this volcano goes off, the USA could loose around 10 reactors.
http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2011/09/23/canary-islands-government-raises-alert-level-on-el-hierro-volcano-to-yellow/
The level was raised today. Heads up everyone, from the floods to the financial hit, to the potential destroyed reactors on the east coast USA.
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Not to mention if Yellowstone were ever to erupt, the volcano or volcanoes found off the coast of Oregon (Cascadian Subduction Zone), or possibly Mt. Ranier (and other Cascade range volcanoes).
Many of the volcanoes thought to be “extinct” are in fact dormant. This is recognized by mainstream volcanologists and seismologists. If you do a browser search on “Long Valley Caldera” you will find this information.
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if these volcanoes were to erupt, that is (1st paragraph above).
An eruption in the Yellowstone caldera could be catastrophic, of “epic” proportions.
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Sorry about repeated posts. The Canary Island volcanoes are also said to be capable of generating a massive tsunami were an EQ of size to occur there. Have read speculation it could cause a massive tsunami on the North American east coast. Speculation, yes, but something to think about. ‘Don’t know what “expert opinion” has to say about that.
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“Please don’t underestimate the psychological effects of the fear of radiation.”
Fear is a natural defense mechanism many lifeforms including humans have. Fear of a car accident makes you wear a seatbelt. Fear of fire makes you install smoke alarms. Fear of drowning makes you wear a lifejacket. Fear of a bar room brawl makes you quietly slip out the back door. Fear of radio-active poisoning makes you? Trouble is it is so obvious to all who are actively watching Fukushima events that we are being lied to. Nothing like this has happened in our history up to now so why is it being under reported?
I think StayCalm is getting fear mixed up with the stress of not being able to properly address the fear any thinking, informed human has over plutonium particles dancing in the air we breath.
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Fear stems from lack of knowledge.
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Fear indicates the reptilian brain is working.
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Myshrink tells me some amount of fear is normal and healthy. I listen to Myshrink (humor).
http://www.myshrink.com/counseling-theory.php?t_id=86
The brainstem is like a bodyguard who’s always watching your back, constantly scanning the environment for potential threats. The reptilian brain also decides whether you will move into fight or flight. The thinking brain is too slow for such an important task.
So for example, when a 90 mile an hour curve ball’s coming at you, it’s the reptilian brain that reflexively jerks your head out of the way before you even realize what’s happening.
I for one am really glad my reptilian brain is working properly.
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And to take StayCalms advice one step further it appears as if he is advocating to ignore any fear you may have as the fear itself is more harmful then what you are scared of. Should I spell it out? So I should ignore my fear of car accidents and refrain from wearing my seatbelt? Maybe have a few drinks before I drive to really dispell any fear of car accidents? 1 quart of whiskey later I have successfully dispelled all fear of everything so now I am ready to take on all of lifes challenges.
Thanks StayCalm, I feel better.
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All past nuclear events such as bomb testing 3 mile island and Chernobyl, have been relatively short-term events. Fukushima is an ongoing radio-active emission leaking into the air and sea. It won’t be resolved by next March. This discussion thread is very pertinent as we are being exposed to cumulative low doses of radiation over a long time period. Nothing like that in our history. Its not a good thing. To have some fear is only natural.
I’m not eating seafood and I’m exercising indoors.
Fearful or prudent?
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@Mark
I would not call TMI & Chernobyl short term events. They are ongoing problems.
Regarding fear: if you are afraid of car accidents then why not stop driving? Wearing a seat belt is not a guarantee of survival as I am sure you know. Is it fear of the accident that scares you or of dying in one? You have always been exposed to background radiation. Do you think that exercising indoors & not eating seafood are really going to help now if, as you believe, “Fukushima is leaking radio active emission into land & sea.” Why bother? Oh, & don’t drink & drive you might get killed. But then I guess you wouldn’t have to worry about radiation, so that’s one less fear.
Cheers IK
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TMI and Chernobyl are short term problems in as much as the radiation was released over a short period to the best of my knowledge. Fukushima is still emitting radio active pollution and the situation has not been resolved. For example, Chernobyl had a huge concrete and steel cap built over it, to contrast Fukushima.
Irritating Kalifornian, I’m not going to waste my time responding to your questions anymore. If you want to go for a jog in the rain after eating some nice raw tuna on rice God Bless You. If you have some constructive info to change my way of thinking, I’m all ears. But if all you can do is provide rhetorical diatribe, then thanks for showing me your intellectual capacity. Good Luck.
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@ Mark I am used to being ignored. The situation may not be resolved but it has been improved. As far as I’m concerned You wasted your time answering only 1 question. Maybe the one you felt most comfortable answering. I thought this was a place to come for info apparently to you it is not. IK
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IK, Many people think like you. My family for one does, and I just do the best I can. You are not alone in your thinking. I hear this all the time: “what can we do? Why worry about it if you can’t change anything?, this is going to be around a long time so stressing about it is useless” We live on the west coast, and I do my best to avoid some things, but the news doesn’t say a peep about it. I don’t have any friends that are concerned so I need to keep it to myself.
Here I was giving my family carrots and taking the skin off only to find that they too have cesium in them(even if it is only a little amount). What to do? I tell my son not to play in the rain, and my husband thinks I am over reacting. I often just try to make sure my son has taken his multi-vitamins and calcium. Anyway, if anyone has more reading in the bay area, CA. Please post them. I just ate a big bowl of clam chowder despite my fears. oh well. Thanks everyone for all comments.
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Net, I’m in Fairfield, CA, and am beginning to post readings from here. Am pretty much due inland from S.F., or Sonoma (north bay) as the crow flies, and a hop, skip, and a jump over a low range of hills.
Gamma is at 2-3 times the level of yesterday morning. Yesterday it averaged about
.07 uSv per hour. Today it is averaging 0.1 to 0.14, with spikes up to 0.17. That is an indoor reading.
Since firing up the Plasma Wave HEPA machine, it’s down to about 0.07 uSv to 0.1 uSv per hour. That’s microsieverts, 1/1,000 of a millisievert.
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Am still working on how to get the Beta and CPM counts.
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PRUDENT and SANE!
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There’s been a bit done on medical imaging.
Here’s one on screening mammograms, with risk.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21364575
And a pretty good review that supports the LNT model.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19454801
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Here is a link debunking LNT
http://www.jpands.org/vol13no3/cohen.pdf
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Quote from above:
“Below 10 rad…risks of health effects are either too small to be observed or are nonexistent.”
That’s 100 mSv if I understand the conversion correctly.
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Instruments register only through things they’re designed to register. Space still contains infinite unknowns.
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Thunderbolts of the Gods….
Electric Universe Theory…
The False Doppler “red shift”
The Idealized BlackBody Radiation Curve.
Comet Dust!
;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGGSX9AHfos&feature=related
….To Boldly Go where No Man Has Gone Before!
Way Gone, Man!
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is it just me or is there less and less info about all these nuke events of late?less from tepco(like there was much real info anyways),the epa(same),nrc(same),the french gov(same),and on and on.i really think they are getting the info censored better than before.where are the reports on the alpha partials?how much is going in the air,the water,the food?then when i do find info it just seems like dis-info.http://graphics.thomsonreuters.com/11/07/JapanNuclearRadiation.pdf
i live way to close to the supposed most dangerous 1.
as far as low level radiation it just multiples right? every min. of every day because fuku will never stop ever.a few changes to life style and hopefully everyone can reduce our exposure a little bit but i have to say how many “faulty” gauges can a nuke plant get? really?
anyone else taking k.i. in the u.s.a. ?
low levels of radiation from flying across country or something is different because it’s radiation from normal background not man mistakes.(different isotopes)
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Im not doing KI, but today I hadda Heaping spoon
of Chlorella powder with my oatmeal. Also,
you wanna jack your C and Magnesium.
Flaxseed oil.
Kelp.
Garlic.
Bedtime Cal Citrate or Mag Citrate.
so Xstatic….
Sept. 27th possibly a Date of Destiny….
:
:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGGSX9AHfos&feature=related
…..
That’s why the news/propaganda management ??
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HI xstatic, not KI but am taking 1 drop of Lugol’s solution daily. M.D. says not safe to ingest more than this because of possible thyroid damage. If you can get a safe source of Atlantic kelp, it might be helpful to add some of that to your diet, as a natural source of iodine. Putting Lugol’s or iodine tincture on the skin doesn’t allow for much absorption.
The M.D. I consult with said Dr. Brownstein’s advice to take 12.5 mg of iodine daily has been found to be potentially unsafe for some people. It is much better to get it from the diet.
It depends upon how your body reacts to the iodine. KI is said not to be safe to use for more than a couple of days. (Three days, I think.) The best thing of course would be to consult with your personal physician. Proper thyroid function is really critical to good health, so please don’t take any unnecessary risks!
I thought Arnie Gunderson said the Iodine 133 is present in high levels only after a reactor accident first occurs. Or does it occur whenever there is prompt criticality, as well?
Would someone please comment on that?
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Look at this weird Rose from Fukushima:
http://fukushima-diary.com/2011/09/column-why-japanese-government-is-telling-us-lies/17eff8/
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Nuclear Radiation and its Biological Effects
reprinted with permission from
No Immediate Danger, Prognosis for a Radioactive Earth, by Dr Rosalie Bertell
The Book Publishing Company — Summertown, Tennessee 38483
ISBN 0-913990-25-2
pages 15-63.
http://www.ratical.org/radiation/NRBE/NRadBioEffects.html
Sorry if this is a repost
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Summertown is a hippie commune about 2 hrs away. Yet they make radiation detectors there too, (SEI corp) along with soap.
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Wassup with this “hippie” thing?
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Work being done to remove plutonium from the human body,…our friends at Berkeley are working on!
http://www.physorg.com/news3265.html
The plutonium crystals that Gorden and her colleagues investigated were ether-bridged hydroxypyridonate ligands nicknamed HOPO, which are based on the chelating unit found in siderophores, small molecules that are secreted by bacteria to extract and solubilize iron. For the past two decades, collaborator Ken Raymond has been leading investigations into the development of HOPO and other complexing agents that would encapsulate plutonium into tightly bound cage-like complexes.
In tests on mice, HOPO complexes have stood out as being far more effective at removing plutonium and other actinides from the body than the current approved treatments. Also, HOPO complexes could be administered orally via a pill, and experiments have demonstrated that it may even remove plutonium that has been deposited in bone.
“We expected the plutonium HOPO complex to have the same crystal structure as a cerium HOPO complex but found they were quite different, even though crystals of both were grown in water,” says Gorden.
Cerium, a member of the non-radioactive lanthanide family of elements, has been used as a safe stand-in for plutonium in structural studies. Although the two elements have different chemistry, the Ce(IV) and Pu(IV) ions have a similar size. The Berkeley scientists plan to continue their studies with lanthanides and actinides to determine if the differences in these complexes are due to solvent effects or the interactions between the ligands and these heavy metals.
“Our work with the plutonium HOPO complex indicates that a library of actual actinide structures will be necessary for developing effective actinide decorporation or sequestering agents,” Gorden says.
Source: Berkeley Lab
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SNAP!!!
http://www.brainoptimization.com/University_of%20Healing_Arts/UHA-BOI_Articles_Archives/ARTICLE_4_How_to_Chelate_Plutonium.htm
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Thanks StillJill
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+ 1,000
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The effects of low doses in Falludjah – the title is in Italian but in fact the report is in English. You will have no problem listening, but it is painful to watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag878314pZM&feature=related
And i was asking myself WHY should we let all this happen. The next video sounds like a a probable answer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP0ZRNTVOMA&feature=relmfu
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A4P1, if you can watch this without a twinge of conscience and asking yourself if you are really 100% in the right, then you need to do some rigorous self-examination.
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BREAKING>>Thyroid gland irregularities found in young evacuees from Fukushima
NAGANO, Japan, Oct. 4, Kyodo
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http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20111004p2g00m0dm116000c.html
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The Chernobyl Legacy: http://todayspictures.slate.com/inmotion/essay_chernobyl/
arclight posted this on another thread. Picture is worth a thousand words.
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and spock posted that before me!! brilliant find spock!!
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METI released an estimate of amount of radionuclides released by the 3 reactors:
http://www.meti.go.jp/press/2011/08/20110826010/20110826010-2.pdf
Notice the amount of Xe-133, 1.1 x 10^19 Bq. Here is a view of Xenon-133 atmospheric dispersion:
http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weather/news/fukushima?LANG=en&VAR=niluhemis133&HH=0&JJ=__&MM=__&TT=__
This has virtually all decayed into Cesium-133. This nonradioactive substance is generally regarded as nontoxic is small amounts. But from the METI table, there is over 300 times as much of it as Cesium-134 and Cesium-137.
Cesium chloride is used by medical experimenters to induce Long QT syndrome in dogs.
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/20544030_Cardiovascular_and_metabolic_effects_of_caesium_chloride_injection_in_dogs–limitations_as_a_model_for_the_long_QT_syndrome
Cesium has also caused this condition in humans:
http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/acm.2006.12.1011
This causes health palpitations, fainting, tachycardia and heart arrhythmia. The tremendous amount of this material released at Fukushima, absorbed into food and drinking water, is itself a health risk to the northern hemisphere. Potassium is needed to prevent Long QT syndrome.
And this has nothing to do with radiation per se.
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Bobby1, Arizonan, Arclight,
Hit ‘em, hit ‘em hard! You go!
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StillJill, Net, everyone. Thank you. The evidence in the Court of the Human Race is overwhelming.
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Pure Water, you too! Sorry if I left anyone out. So much food for thought.
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One more video on Chernobyl`s children. At the end of the video a doctor confirms Qblokov`s words, that only 15% to 20% are the healthy children, born today in Belarus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ext9f8XVgNo&feature=related
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White Light/Black Rain: The Destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki 01/06
White Light/Black Rain: The Destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is an HBO documentary film that was directed and produced by Steven Okazaki and was released on August 6,
heres a teaser…..
2007 on HBO, marking the 62nd anniversary of the first atomic bombing. The film features interviews with fourteen Japanese survivors and four Americans involved in the 1945 atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqEcJZ43Tik
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this is medical related which should be low dose…
worth downloading…wont be up for long
“directed by David Belhassen and Asher Hemias. The documentary won the award for “Best Documentary” at the Haifa International Film Festival and was featured as a documentary at the Israel Film Festival in Los Angeles in 2007.
It is claimed in the documentary that the X-ray radiation used on the children was thousands of times beyond the maximum recommended dose and it is suggested that the program was funded by the United States in order to test the effects of large radiation doses on humans.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMp1tef4lg4
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Interesting article:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2011/08/16/wheres-that-radioactive-sulfur-now-possibly-in-your-pants/
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Wow,….strontium, cesium, iodine, plutonium, uranium EXPLAINED-in terms of what it does to our bodies!
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/fukushima-is-continually-blasting-all-of-us-with-high-levels-of-cesium-strontium-and-plutonium-and-will-slowly-kill-millions-for-years-to-come
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May be you have seen this video, but here is the right place to send this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_O2j_f43P4&feature=player_embedded
They have found the right way to attack the problem – human to human approach! Helping and gathering data! Congratulations,ladies!
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And some information about low levels of I. Old research on the health effects, but really informative. It finds a link between stillbirths and internal I exposure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFnKnaqYMZ8&feature=related
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That was GREAT pure water–thanks!
Gosh,…I am sure coming to appreciate medical professionals, and scientists,…once they get ‘mature’, and are not driven by ego, fame, money, accolades, etc,….
They speak from their human, heart center. Their compassion is front and center–above themselves!
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Dear StillJill,
These professionals still exist and will be valued more and more. Your messages from yesterday broke my heart and I just could not write anything. Please, just try to find the right doctor for yourself. I was impressed by methodology of this doctor, while searching a solution for a friend of mine.
http://www.dr-gonzalez.com/index.htm
That is because I heal myself with herbs, diet and natural detoxification methods. This is a really cheap method in my country and for me it works better than any pills.
I strongly respect individual differences and know that every one has his/her own peculiarities. What heals one, may harm another.
I just wish you good luck! We need you here!
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Made my day pure water!
I am a total health freak pw. I drink essiac tea, am a vegan, drink alkaline water only, and I take more herbs than I almost think I should. I was on 17 daily pharmaceuticals,…so my road to FREEDOM was long and strenuous. For whatever reason,….I was given 18 months prior to FUKU to clean up my entire act,…diet, lifestyle, etc. So thanks,….your cure is my cure friend!
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If it is all right, I’d like to keep you in my prayers.
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Admirations for your efforts, StillJill!
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Acute leukemia case is spiking up
http://fukushima-diary.com/2011/11/acute-leukemia-case-is-spiking-up/
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Nuclear medical physicist, Dr. John W. Gofman speaks extensively about no safe dose of radiation. He was a member of Manhattan Project, researcher at Lawrence Livermore and Berkeley National Labs.
Please check this short , but informative chapter in the book Nuclear Witnesses. Also google “nuclear witnesses” for other chapters on line.
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