Published: September 1st, 2012 at 1:00 am ET
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Please use this thread to discuss matters related to the webcam(s) at the Fukushima plant.
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Webcam Video Archive:
Watch the JNN/TBS feed here: http://www.youtube.com/user/tbsnewsi/featured
Direct Link to Tepco Webcam: http://mfile.akamai.com/127380/live/reflector:51361.asx
Alternative Direct Link: http://mfile.akamai.com/127380/live/reflector:51361.asf
Published: September 1st, 2012 at 1:00 am ET
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tbs
http://www.youtube.com/user/tbsnewsi?v=nQLtkl5gDGA
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Thanks for da neu link nuckelchen. The one I was using had gone 'private' <rolls eyes>.
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Worklight area looked strange:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z22WWpy8Df4&feature=BFa&list=UUDu1KkkwuzybKx6MXQgGHuw
And for me tepco camera does not work now. TBS is just gray with usual birds singing.
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@pure water – I thought the same as you, my comment being on the earlier page. The Tepcam link on this page seems to be dead (scroll to top) but this one seems ok: http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/f1-np/camera/index-e.htmltop.
Yep, the TBScam view has gone grey:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nQLtkl5gDGA
Chasing poor views on crummy cams is annoying…….
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djibm8eobMs&feature=youtu.be
As you can see, lots of billowing smoke coming from ? #4 or CSFP?
that graddually invades the site, and meanwhile, a super typhoon is coming? https://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/213997793998667776/photo/1
Bad saturday, worse sunday?
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It's very poor visibility there now and seemed to start:
2012.06.16 23:00-00:00 @1.25 in. It seemed to start out from R2. It looks very bright towards the end of the clip. Is it R2 cooking?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB5DZN2jBJ8&feature=plcp
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6-17 1:01
thanks Elibi
Screen is socked in with fog/steam and looks very pixillated, which occurs with high radiation (As Nuckelchen) has demonstrated.
Not good, but then when is it ever..?
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i wonder how radioaktivity is that steam what is coming out from ground tepcocam is looking bad
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I was able to get a good screen shot that illustrates that this fog/steam is coming from the area between units 3 and 4
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Yes…at 1:17 in from wotcha's link it sure looks like the worst was from 4, then all of the units seem to chime in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB5DZN2jBJ8&feature=plcp
Sorry Arnie…I call that radioactive hydrovolcanic underground steam as described by Ralph Lapp in his invention of the term China Syndrome.
What is interesting is a discussion from the conspiracy theorists who have postulated the NRC helps "regulate" popular Wikipedia entries about nuclear accidents and issues.
Take for example the current entry for China Syndrome as of June 16, 2012:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Syndrome
Read it and then comapre it with this archived version of Wikipedia's China Syndrome article for March 12, 2011 (one day post-Fukushima):
http://www.agriculturedefensecoalition.org/sites/default/files/file/nuclear/14PTZ_2011_Wikipedia_March_12_2011_China_Syndrome_Result_of_Nuclear_Meltdown_Also_Note_1979_Movie_by_Same_Name_Website_March_12_2011.pdf
SP: A complete section was redacted from the March 2011 version:
Excerpt from the redacted document in….To Be continued:
http://www.agriculturedefensecoalition.org/sites/default/files/file/nuclear/14PTZ_2011_Wikipedia_March_12_2011_China_Syndrome_Result_of_Nuclear_Meltdown_Also_Note_1979_Movie_by_Same_Name_Website_March_12_2011.pdf
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Continued…sorry for the double URL…damn iPhone…
Redacted section originally in the March 12, 2011 Wikipedia entry for "China Syndrome":
Scientific explanation
The 'China Syndrome' refers to the most drastically severe meltdown a nuclear reactor could possibly achieve. In this case, the reactor would reach the highest level of supercriticality for a sustained period of time, resulting in the melting of its support infrastructure.
The uranium in the core would behave in a similar manner to a delta-class fire, self-sustaining temperatures in excess of 2000°C. Since these temperatures would melt all materials around it, the reactor would sink due to gravity, effectively boring a hole through the reactor compartment's floor.[5]
The China syndrome becomes fictional in the hypothesis of it boring a hole from the United States to China, or any other part of the world (the opposite side of the earth from the USA is the Indian Ocean, except for a section of northern Montana, Hawaii and sections of Northern Alaska, central Colorado, whose antipodes are Ile Saint-Paul, Ile Amsterdam, French Southern and Antarctic Lands, northern
Namibia and Antarctica, respectively).
Most obviously it is impossible because the Earth's gravity would only pull it towards the core of the planet and no further.
To Be Continued (the best is yet to come!)
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Last section of China Syndrome article redacted from March 12, 2011 version in Wikipedia:
"Furthermore, were the molten reactor fuel to
reach the planetary mantle, the actual environmental effect would likely be low; the radioactive material
would disperse by convection throughout the mantle, which is in any case kept liquid by natural nuclear decay. However, it is likely that the uranium core would not exceed more than 10 meters of 'boring' due to natural passive safety. The surrounding ground beneath the reactor would absorb the heat and transfer it conductivity to the surrounding area, thus preventing the ground directly beneath the core from
'melting'.[5][6]
This manner of spreading heat convectively through the ground is proposed for use in General Atomics' Gas Turbine Modular Helium Reactor for regular operation and passive safety, which aims to eliminate the possibility of a meltdown.[7]
SP: Ah ha! Now we have possibly NRC's erroneous pre-Fukushima theory of how corium would behave and it's dead wrong!
10 meters of barrier does not stop 100-ton chunks of nuclear fuel! Back to the drawing board you Dr. Frankensteins!
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i am sure that it is not fog
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me too
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You're right majia, worse and worse is more like it and MSM is deafeningly silent as ever. Apart from this last thing here, http://bilien.blogspot.fr/2012/06/japanese-say-no.html, let's hope they end-up spilling the beans, the sooner, the better. But will they?
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how many meters over ground (NN)will be the tbs camera standing?
100-150 meters maybe?
i live here on a top of mountain, just a small one with 405 meter NN.
and i live not on a coast, i've got only a valey with the rhine.
but i'm here on the highest point in the way westside, what means after some hundert km comes the atlantic and there is no mountain between us.
however,
such strange night-views of darkness and light,dark steam and white clouds i've never ever seen in my own skywatching life:
http://youtu.be/Q2qjB705Mzk
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Nuck,
The clouds and smoke effects happen because of focal distances and relationship to the lens. When focussed on a distant light object that become shrouded by steam/fog and begins to cast the light through the water droplets suspended in the air and another steam/fog bank rolls into the foreground, because that new newer steam/fog bank is closer by hundreds of feet to the camera, thus out of focus and is not picking up the casting light source, it will appear dark… smokey. It is an optical effect we're witnessing due to distance ratios in the night sky.
p.s.
This is also why, on overcast and overly steamy/foggy days, the JNN cam is totally fogged over. They're focussed on a fixed point behind the fog in the foreground.
Camera men like that ought NOT be employed to run live cameras of global disasters… IMO.
On a side note:
Sorry about your pal.
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Max are you saying the smokey looking stuff coming up from the plant is an optical illusion?
I do not dispute that the light and distance may impact perceptions of darkness but I am confident that steam has been coming from the reactor buildings and the ground near the reactor buildings
Moreover, there are days when the steam is clearly more brownish than other days.
I would appreciate it if you would please clarify your comment.
thanks
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I think what Max1 may be referring to is this video. http://youtu.be/Q2qjB705Mzk
This one is a TBS/JNN cam long distance view. It does look odd, but it's not Fuku smoke in this one. It's strange low coastal fog.
The Teco Web Cam 'absolutely' shows smoke and steam most of the time.
Note: I have not seen any BIRDS in my most recent observations from the Tepco Web Cam. (Bird Count today = ZERO)
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Correct…
Videos like that (as an extreme example) are exactly what I'm talking about.
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p.s.
The JNN cam has added birding effects…
… I swear they even added cicada sounds now.
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majia,
I never suggested that the steam/fog was fake…
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I was waiting for fuku1 2012.06.17 08:00-09:00 and it's 2012.06.17
09 h 51 m 41 JST Should I wait for 10:00-11:00? Let's hope it's not too ugly on fuku
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TYPO I meant 9-10 of course … let's see, still one missing, maybe 2 ? And on TBS/JNN, it's thickly cloudy, going slowly from right to left.
Here is 9-10, watch from 1:30 between #3-#4, definitely worth watching here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBPo-mcua2I&feature=youtu.be
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@ elibi:
i can have a look in my basements.
there must be an old "panic-button" from my grandmum.
together with my old ibm thinkpad and a car-battery and 3 meter parabol-antenna for the net-conntact..
these little things you attached to your body as inconspicuous as possible and
you could call me 24 h per day with just one *hit-the-button*…
(for nucky fanclub members i have special prices^^)
or you will still waiting so long as tepco(tepcos network admin) need its time to manipulate the timelapses…
certainly can you change the battery with a "windrad".
from ten meter diameter but only…hehe
But such a bauble for my internet connection is too slow anyway…
fresh fruits for free:
2012-06-16/17 extrem blow-out @h tepco fukushima dai-ichi
http://youtu.be/YNSHubTdt1Q
tepco rips of the title with a 180° cloud-grind-backflip
http://youtu.be/rDBg1fI8wj0
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nuck i love you, thanks so much for your incredible contribution to this forum, and the world of truth!
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lol !! Thanks Nuck for the morning laugh. I'm way too much into this. Sometimes I forget why I'm still here. And then I remember.
The backflip is indeed a sight to see.
TBS/JNN is very clear this 19th hour Japtime . I think small crane above #4, flimsier and flimsier, is in action. Some lifting and lowering only. Had to blow it max to get it. And now I'm not sure. around 19:00 switched from black&white to color.
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very clear view on the tbs cam at the moment, getting shaken by the wind
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shaken by typhoon Guchol
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It's over the Philippine sea now. Not over Japan yet
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hurricanes/archives/2012/h2012_Guchol.html
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WHAT A LUCKY NUCK I'M.
I SWEAR THAT I HAD STARTED THE RECORD EXACTLY HERE:
http://youtu.be/19xRwrWHRWo
tepco fukushima CAMERA-ZOOM 2012-17-06
my hearth jumps into my mouth, IsweArIsweAr, mr murphey & my mrs lovly rita are my witness.
bonus:
UPDATE:tepco fukushima CAMERA-ZOOM 2012-17-06/REACTOR NR4
http://youtu.be/n60dc9Bnfj0
*lucky nuck* is nuckelchen-protected,trademarked & copyrighted.
the international-united-nuckelitos
LOEL
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What is that black ball top center #4? And why is the TBS logo jumping like that in the bonus? Had someone noticed that before?
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its jumping from the youtube onboard *deshake*-fx.
without:
http://youtu.be/bWUtlA_qd5U
deshaked & automatic edited with youtube onboard-fxs:
http://youtu.be/OuB54cm9zO4
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Well at least we know the purpose of the cover. The roof is collapsing and then the walls.
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Hi jackassrig
Do you know, if they are going to build a new building under, over, and around it?
Looks like it's hardly there now.
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So the crane is holding the 'roof' of #4!
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Hi elibi
From that angle it looks like it. It would not surprise me. I still would like confirmation on this.
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urbi @ orbi,
*ich habe fertig*
http://youtu.be/a3E71js8wOs
2012-06-17 condensation desasters @ tepco fukushima
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VIDEO KILLS THE RADIOSTAR
nuckys weekend:
http://imm.io/t2AJ
(stream-recording & stream-recording & video-editing & video-timelapsing & video-converting & video-uploading & two streams live watching AT ONE TIME—48 hours nonstop)
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I was just comparing weather on two live cameras, the tepco one looked like down was alredy breking at 3:48 AM whilst the cam in sendai and tolyo looked pitch black night still.. i find that strange
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Bright flashes observable above R4 SFP…
… 3:45 pst
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I should say it was observable from the JNN cam, that is.
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TBS/JNN has Bright flashes inside the building area of Reactor 4. Good catch Max1! This started happening after the 6.4 EQ, could be due to being distrubed..or is someone trying to WELD down the 60 ton lid on the SPF with very large charges? Most likely we really dont want to see these white flares/flashes happening. Comments welcome on what you see…
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I magnified it earlier and there was some sort of a machine working inside there. Maybe that excavator clearing away more rubble. You could see it moving around in there and as it turned I could see the flashes…
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By the way…
http://atmc.jp/plant/container/?n=1
Reactor 1 pressure container showing a dramatic rise.
On tepco cam it is convecting quite constantly,
Also on tepco cam it looks like reactor 3 is convecting, But when you switch to the jnn view it actually appears to be coming from the reactor 2 basement…
Mind you that its pretty warm in japan this time of year (compared to winter views). So you/we probably shouldn't be seeing any steam at all… :/
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Looks like heavy convection at the base of number #2. Not seem it there before.
Time stamp: Tepco Web Cam 2012-06-19 02:26:00
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Can you be more explicit? I fail to see what you mean. Thx in advance.
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It was at the base, bottom corner of #2, far right side.
The steam then went up and toward #3. It lasted for at least the 5 minutes that I watched.
Streaming out. Not thick, but visible. It looked like colored fast moving steam yellowish/pinkish.
I noted the Web Cam TIME above so I or anyone else can look at the Fuku1live or nuckelchen videos to verify.
The screen was blurry due to wind blowing rain.
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Even blown-up max, I still don't see it. Old and bleary eyes. Thank you anyway. Here's the link for those who would be willing to give it a try:Tepco Web Cam 2012-06-19 with your indication of time 02:26:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJJ2locdoxk&feature=youtu.be Bye guys and gals.
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Here's a screen shot. This is what I saw.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2099954/RadTepCam20120619_01.JPG
As I watched the high speed video it was harder to see. So, I watched the Tepco WEb Cam timer on screen and I would pause/start in steps. I could see it easier.
Thanks elibi
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@ ChasAha, thanks for taking the time. It's necessary to have as many watchers as possible. Even better when they keep records.
Still, I don't see anything other than the usual mess. I mean, there has been scarier footage on Tepcosham. Wideawake below might well be right. Plutonium takes a whole lot of skills and equipment to be detected if you care to try…
Oh and 2012.06.19 05:00-06:00 is missing.
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Capture PPG shows a purple/pink haze over Reactor 3 which is different than "normal." Of course none of these hellish messes are "normal." Good eyes.
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nah thats just another mass murder event! looks like R3 doing its thing! and for the past 15 months….looks calm to me, probably taking a breather after ejecting its 10 tons of Mox into our lungs.
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Gotcha Birdie. Swift as ever. Hope you're just passing by. We wish you luck far from here.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5772834/FUKUSHIMA/Fukushima%20Birdie%20birdie/2012-06-19%2007.38.43%20BIRDY%201.bmp
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Cute little critter is back today.
http://youtu.be/wu5HhgsXoGo
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looks like one of the raccon dogs..without hair. Or a dingo(NOT). Seriously whatever it is, its not healthy if it lives in the area.
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I would say that looks like a small horse or mule, possibly donkey. The one I saw last time appeared to be a large dog. Could be wrong, tho. How long could a critter survive there??
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I took these two screen shots of R4 blue lights/aura on 18 june.. 1. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/77637499/R4%20blue%2018june%2001.56jst.PNG 2. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/77637499/R4%20blue%20auora.PNG … While watching this excellent vid yesterday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90DRu-N7Iuk&feature=my_liked_videos&list=LLWRq2KXvP-gGxnTbfKNrgVA (best watched with sound muted, and it is slightly too fast) saw this and captured s/shots 1. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/77637499/fuel%20pool%20water%20boils%20off.PNG 2. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/77637499/fuel%20pool%20water.PNG …Could be wrong but it looks familiar? and tbs/jnn down more or less since occurance, and not found in cam archive, yet!..Note in 'Dial M for meltdown' vid Chernobyl heros picking up fuel rods with their bare hands! (sigh)
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So this blue arc or something would be showing in spite of the lid they've put on SFP#4 or they've removed it? This is so scary.
Thx for the pics and yes, the video is well done evnthough it's fast. Thx wideawake.
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Scary. And the boil off STEAM and blue ionized glow from Reactor 4..is from the COLD SHUTDOWN STATE(CCS)..right. Hey, I want one to sell CSS idea to gullible nuclear plant managers in the US.Then they dont have to cool reactors..right?
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R4 for reference, looking good! https://dl.dropbox.com/u/77637499/17june%20close%20close%20R4.PNG
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Light show on Tepcam, its raining. Can't get my head round the fact that thse are reflected raindrops, always looks to me like fuel pellets and ruptured rods.
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Flash at 2:05… by 2.30… 2:33…a "light" appears in 4.
Two lights here..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzR48SXVfFQ&feature=plcp
Lights in four the next night..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzR48SXVfFQ&feature=plcp
Subsequent blus arc.
The emissions are going around the cover on the SFP.
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You put twice the same link. Thx anyway. Eyes getting sore but still expecting other vids.
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Cover was to keep the blue lights hidden or to shield so workers can get closer? Since video shows the SPF already steaming and showing blue aura, the lid must be like the top on a cookie jar.
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PS. didn't think I was paying attention..did ya?
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Correction: this refers to the first comment of mine in the above post.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNfScvh0Qgc&feature=plcp
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PS.Thanks for noting the mistake..elibi.
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hotr, flash is from R4 (gulp)..and caught at 2.05/2.06… https://dl.dropbox.com/u/77637499/june18%20flash2.PNG
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Yep…2:05-2:06 from 4..like I said.
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TIME STAMP.
SHIT HITTING THE FAN RIGHT NOW….
PRETTY BAD TODAY. VIA TEPCO CAM
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http://imgur.com/TA0pk
Event + Timestamp…
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Sorry for my untrained eye.. what event is in the image? Thanks!
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Opps…should have made that a reply to Tacomagroove.
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rotnpumpkin….
View the live cam.
The event is current and escalating.
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Ok, I got you – it's the typhoon. I've noticed the people on here are very skilled at spotting events that I would not see. I thought perhaps I was missing something. Don't get me wrong…the typhoon is plenty! I've been worrying about it since first word of it.
And I see now what looks like steam? That can't be good…
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TBS/jnn cam now has audio only. Interesting to watch Tepco image while listening to wind.
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[Now] Typhoon 04 is hitting Fukushima
The typhoon is going over Fukushima at this moment.
http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/06/now-typhoon-04-is-hitting-fukushima/
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The lid on the box to the left of the pipes may become an airborne projectile soon. It's flapping with some force.
Web Cam Time 2012-06-20 2:30:00
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i am wondering what the green light on wall of reactor 2 is
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Big nasty-looking dark 'cloud' (for want of a better word) is sitting above the reactors and clearing away very slowly – time stamp 07.15 JST 20.6.12 @Tepcam view. Looking at the TBS view, it shows 'smoke' billowing across from west to east, obscuring this view. Just a grey screen.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjQ74NdscKs&feature=g-all-u
Crane working at 07.26 JST, taking readings?
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tbs jumping up and down, still smoking
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time stamp 19.45 onwards. cough.
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28km/h wind, blowing south
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RED LIGHT #4
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area above SPF #4 all lit up
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Looking back at typhoon videos… Check out flashes starting at 1:09 into this Fukulive time lapse segment:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8AaJvojVS5k
Quite interesting flashes.
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Hey SP, are you feeling better today?
To me, those flashes seem to be the switsched-on worklight mirrored in the drops on the lens?
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oops, that happenes when you get engaged in a phone conversation while typing and press "submit comment" 10 minutes later…
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No problem… I should have been more explicit in the first post.
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Yes, I know it's the big light installed December 5 glaring in the rain, but it does look weird on the lens. Here's the next hour even more intense:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsX7q-baOug&sns=em
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Top Left of #2 looking very steamy to me.
Web Cam Time stamp 20102-06-20 21:52:00
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@chasAha Steam and sparks constantly venting out of the roof of Reactor 2 left and rear areas, right on! Also in the vegetation, see the area to the right lower area..is that a light/flame in the plants. We see the glows a lot, but this time it is larger and more obvious. Since other areas there are showing glows as well..those may be coming from the cracks in the earth mentioned by workers. Dont think the Typhoon did any good to Fukushima..and the season has just started for weather. Of course its always earthquake season….
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TEPCO Webcam 06 20 2012 23:34 time stamp shows the above events. They probably occur over many hours, but this is the one captured/commented on for record.
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@ The glow to the left has increased..on the side of the cookie jar lid.
And a red glow is presenting above it.
There is also a bit of light to the right.
Somehow I get the feeling the cookie jar lid isn't working very well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6f8gRKSVg8&feature=plcp
Also…heavy "steaming" between 2 and 3.
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#2's been spewing for some time now. I've never seen it quite like this either.
Just 'how bad' this venting is, exactly what the venting is, take a guess, because we can't go inside #2.
We really should be being alerted as to these 'special' events. Preparation could be the key to saving many in the unfortunate occurrence of another nuclear plant "Jack In The Box" event.
"Pop goes the Weasel" and a "Jack-In-the-
box" comes to mind for some reason.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxyeAlAVhCw
w/lyrics: (ironic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0tBk8_zcMA
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Hmmmm, it might be just me, but I'll say it anyway: I wonder if unit 2 is really steaming. If I look at the tepcocam site
http://www.youtube.com/fuku1live
to me the light greyish blob above unit 2 looks exactly the same over the last 3 hours (19-22), only that the sky is getting darker…
As a comparison, just for the old times sake, a steam event from exactly one year ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es32IqWwb_s&feature=plcp
*my 2 cents
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I agree with your "light greyish blob" analysis over R 2. What the hell is that? It is just "sitting" there? The entire place looks pretty nasty today on the TEPCO cam, lots of "sparkles".
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could be a raindrop on the camera…
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..but most likely it is emmissions
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