Published: February 5th, 2013 at 12:00 am ET
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The previous Fukushima Webcam Discussion Thread can be found here: http://enenews.com/fukushima-webcam-discussion-thread
This thread is for discussing matters related to the webcam(s) at Fukushima Daiichi.
UPDATE (via Nuckelchen): “Please note the ‘jst’ time of your observation. Also, describe as best as possible, what you see. Using North, South, East, and West to describe locations. Be specific whenever possible. This may sometimes be the ONLY record we have of such events.”
Webcam Video Archive:
Watch the JNN/TBS feed here: http://www.youtube.com/user/tbsnewsi/featured
Direct Link to Tepco Webcam: http://mfile.akamai.com/127380/live/reflector:51361.asx
Alternative Direct Link: http://mfile.akamai.com/127380/live/reflector:52045.asx
Published: February 5th, 2013 at 12:00 am ET
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sending...
riders on the storm''
(crazy workers rides the iron horse @ fukuplant.
where zur hoelle ist die bau-aufsicht?
wie?
keine bau-aufsicht?
damn!)
http://youtu.be/4rsrIu9uNXk
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some actions done before:
http://youtu.be/Ho4nMpMqpTw
http://youtu.be/6OUUo_au6pk
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That's all that was left of the PCV vessel…?
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Or… perhaps the remains of what were once control rods for the #4 core? They showed a survey of the core. The PCV support was there, though coated with slag! But the big metal PCV seemed to be missing! The lower control-rod assembly was still… erm… intact? Though it just didn't LOOK right! But it didn't have any rods! So… could even be the remains of the core rack I should think.
Humm…. need get better look at that debris!
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next video will be ready uploaded in the next time
(…still 22% uploaded)
"Ey Mr Tepco: Supergeil!"
http://youtu.be/zNGLSMvDIkE
ES IST SUPERGEIL SUPERGEIL
SIE IST SUPERGEIL SUPERGEIL
ER IST
DENN DU BIST
SUPERGEIL
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Humm… maybe a tardis!? That would be ONE way to get rid of all the pesky rad-rods!
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Seriously though! IF we had ACCURATE data on the rads-dates… and compiled them with this…
http://www.4shared.com/photo/aD6cTgE6/coupe-geol-est-ouest—copie.html
We would have been able to establish a decent rate on the corium.
Then we could project a possible "Bang-Date!" As that would possibly save a great many lives!
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-> The projected 'Bang-Date'.
That's as good a description as any I guess.
IMO – Saving lives is always a good idea.
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each time we get a rad-rise, and steam event… it means it's hit a inter-layer band of water. At least, aside from snow-melt events, major rain events… and the like. They always cause more steam/fog… but not in direct relation with the temps… as there would be a seepage delay involved.
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The effects of an underground nuclear test may vary according to factors including the depth and yield of the explosion, as well as the nature of the surrounding rock.[25] If the test is conducted at sufficient depth, the test is said to be contained, with no venting of gases or other contaminants to the environment.[25] In contrast, if the device is buried at insufficient depth ("underburied"), then rock may be expelled by the explosion, forming a crater surrounded by ejecta, and releasing high-pressure gases to the atmosphere (the resulting crater is usually conical in profile, circular, and may range between tens to hundreds of metres in diameter and depth[26]). One figure used in determining how deeply the device should be buried is the scaled depth of burial, or -burst.[25] This figure is calculated as the burial depth in metres divided by the cube root of the yield in kilotons. It is estimated that, in order to ensure containment, this figure should be greater than 100.[25][27]
Wikipedia.
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http://maniacworld.com/underground-nuclear-explosion-fail.html
A fukushima preview!
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Hi Pattie
Some people think the melted corium will eventually cool and pool, as with the "elephant's foot" at Chernobyl
I'm interested in why you think it will go "bang." Doesn't the geometry have to be pretty tight for that to happen?
Just wondering…
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The difference is that this corium at Fuku is Plutonium! It just needs the proper type reflector to go critical again.
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It would need engulfment in water, or to hit bedrock. Both would cause enough bounce-back of neutrons to cause a chain-up to criticality.
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If it was just Uranium…? The chance of re-critical bang would be negligible. As you need to work at triggering Uranium… gun/implosion. Plutonium…? Just get more than 5 kilo in one place, and BANG!
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They say it's over 10 kilos.. but we have a few tons in this case anyhow! But the key is, specifically the PU-240/241.. and that's 5.2 kilo. You have to look at it from the standpoint of the highest reactive substance that's present in the mass of corium. That's going to start the chain-up.
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The fact we have out-gassing, and visual radiations… that's the PU-241 that's giving us the light shows.
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http://ieer.org/resource/factsheets/plutonium-factsheet/
240 can cause fizzle… but 241? That stuffs nasty dirty rad-wise and goes "off" if you look at it wrong!
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The longer that stuff is a molten mass of corium… the more P-241 you shall have created. Also, the more U-235… coincidentally… and that's not a stable mix.
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Thank you Pattie
do you think an explosion is inevitable?
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yes… they should have done like the soviets did… secured the corium FIRST!
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somethings wrong… I can't login here with fiirefox anymore…?
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Have you tried clearing your cache? If IE works and FF doesn't that's usually the prob.
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Check out the high speed movements of hot debris at the 9 and 10 AM feeds for Jan. 24.
Multiple cranes in operation, but the giant crane is of most interest:
FUKULIVE http://www.youtube.com/user/fuku1live?feature=watch
(Time lapse one hour version high-speed)
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Lots of crane action, that's for sure.
Tip:
Using full screen makes it easy to see the translucent emissions pumping from 'the pit' at R3.
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Their desposing of burn-up rods from out of the shared pool!
The big crane moving them, the one in background has the rad-detector hanging off it!
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And a 5.2 earthquake just to make things fun…
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And this 4.9 minutes earlier shakes Fuk.
:4.9M, depth: 36km 24/1/2013 06:31
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko8Q1ribRRY&list=UUDu1KkkwuzybKx6MXQgGHuw
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when this spike is real-we will be allready done!!!
http://imm.io/TYoR
http://ma-04x.net/image_png/fukushima/graph_mext_720489.png
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http://imm.io/TYrk
http://ma-04x.net/image_png/fukushima/graph_mext_720250.png
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http://jciv.iidj.net/map/
shows 185,000 nSv/h
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like an atomic bingo that we here plays…
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^409^
http://imm.io/TZcr
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@ admin:
its time to ring the bell!
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http://www.4shared.com/photo/NIm-lnSH/Fuku_185000.html
Nuckelchen… you not clicking on Fuku…
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and an other *BINGO* goes to the cat from germany:
452 (wow)
http://imm.io/TZgT
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and one more over the top with 510,
wow, 5th of 10th is my birthday,
f#ck yeah:
http://imm.io/TZht
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und jetzt geht's aber los mit 815?
http://imm.io/TZi9
815!
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452 mSv/h..Four HUNDRED and Fifty-two? Around Fukushima..who is warning the people there? Silence, a deadly silence.
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Hi Jec … we need to be mindful of whether the data is stated in nano (nsV) or micro (that funny "u"sV) or milli (msV) per hour.
There are a few conversion sites. Here's one:
http://www.convert-measurement-units.com/convert+Nanosievert+per+hour.php
Take care.
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"Charly-Tango-Delta-Bingo-967-967-nine-six-seven-Roger!"
http://imm.io/TZjI
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they are evacuating the burnt rods from the shared spent pool… and have asked/ said BS about dumping water in ocean… let's try the entire rad-water contents of the shared pool! As the fire in there has made it to hot to work… so, let's rinse and repeat a couple time to get the rods out.. so we can go back to our tinker-toys! It's all make-work! They will keep at it until the entire site explodes rather than admit that the corium has raw plutonium from their weapons program in it!
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http://imm.io/TZpm
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Hi Nuckelchen … I can't access your links to the rad readings anymore for some reason but I did see them earlier this afternoon.
Was curious about the ones you posted with the high black line spikes. Our US Radnet readings use different colors as well. I can't remember the color code offhand but it would be unusual for one color code to spike that high out of range unless it was a beta not gamma reading.
Do you know the color codes? Can you link us back to that site?
Thanks.
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he's taking captures from here kez…
http://jciv.iidj.net/map/
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I backtracked a bit up the thread and found the links to the mext sites Nuckelchen referenced. This was a line graph not a dot map site.
On our US Radnet sites the most dangerous gamma radiation is the black line (from memory).
Even tho Nuck's graph did not show a highly dangerous (micro funny u) S/h spike I am still curious about the key to the colored lines and what spiked so out of whack. That would be interesting I think. On our radnet charts the gamma lines usually move pretty much in tandem.
The beta graphs can go all over the place at times but it is a single line graph.
The key is in japanese and is not translatable because it is not text I think.
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This sudden multiple crane activity by Tepco workers is worrisome (and I don't rattle easily, but I can and do worry).
Look at the robust worker activity at 7 AM and 8 AM January 25 (JST). This is not standard hours for the workers who usually don't hit a lick before 11 Am and are done by 4 PM. Short shifts because of the high radioactivity. They are literally "burning" through worker's exposure limits.
So take a look at Big Bertha crane in the first 20 seconds of 20X timelapse here at the 8 AM time feed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHxGASYNwS0&list=UUDu1KkkwuzybKx6MXQgGHuw&index=4
Lots of workers scurrying in first minute and then the hot debris is rapidly lofted up and away. Weird, huh? That's not a log from Swamp Loggers!
Has the SHTF? Stay tuned.
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When I was watching some of this in real time I was amazed at how fast the big crane was swinging and slinging those rods.
For a moment I thought I was watching a high speed video, then I realized it was the Tepco web cam live.
Being a highly skilled large crane operator is not an easy or safe job. With emphasis on the word 'skilled'.
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I get the feeling they're in the 'Keystone Cops' scramble mode every day. Except this is not a comedy. It's a tragedy in progress.
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remember… they are doing this remote with a joystick! Each of those rods is about 700 lbs!
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ratatatringbingboing-schlingbing
http://youtu.be/KtlZ7a35djQ
the timelapse of the cranes dances is still rendering on my pc.
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alarm-clock sound on TBS vendredi 25 janvier 2013, 16 h 40 m 47 JST
First time I hear that there.
@kez thanks for the convenient link
So, 189000 nanosievert (nSv) is 189 microsievert (funny u Sv) and is 0.189 millisievert (mSv)
Way too high but not lethal yet.
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checked out the time elibi… no alarm as sound off on archived vids, but did capture screen shot of bright white flash at approx time…its at 1.41 secs in.. possible cause of alarm? I'd say so,looking at rest of it!.. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/77637499/jan25flash.PNG
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yes.. but that's a good distance from the building where it takes the reading!
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the dancing crane-crew
http://youtu.be/8OhzgGdjrEw
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+311 Nuck
I am glad you covered the noon hour January 25th sequence. At 4:38 in your great video we see hot debris lifted out of the MOX bowels of Unit 3. Then the big papa crane snatches the transfer and takes it far away to the right view… presumably the lagoon area. It's the only crane that has such a long reach to the ocean. I'm betting they are dumping radioactive metal into the ocean while they publicly announce plans to dump some "low-level" waste water. They might as well give up the charade and just build a water-filled conveyor belt to the lagoon straight from each wrecked unit and the fuel ponds.
The ocean is the ultimate cooling pond and they really may not have any workable alternative plans of disposal.
Spiderman-3…drown the monster.
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Noticed a quick flash at very end of the clip @5.27in. Dropping in the ocean?
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Great catch. –
Again, at 5:27 Don't blink or you'll miss it.
(on the above video)
To verify and get a different perspective I watched it on fuku1long at only 2x. What I see is a really FAST moving cloud-like phenomenon moving swiftly over the facility.
In real time it took about 10 to 12 seconds. Looks like a mini-dust storm to me.
This 10 second massive somewhat translucent cloud appears as a flash at higher speed. (20x)
As close as I can tell, it occurred at 2013-01-25 at 13:00:18 through 13:00:23. (The last 2 digits are tenths of a second.)
–> Note the video begins at 13:00:17. Maybe pause the video, let it load a little, then click play. It's literally at the very beginning.
fuku1long 2013-01-25 13:00-14:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AKhCFpRogk
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oops forgot vid link..tbs/jnn 25 jan 16.08-17.08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibzqrc0Xn40
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Thanks for flagging this up Wideawake. That quick flash at 1.41in is worrysome and all that steam too. Not good, not good. I've never seen the cranes and crew as busy as they have been in these last few days, and all that 'atuff' they are picking out, where is it all going? Yep, probably into the Pacific, as Tepco has already announced about planning (errm, is already doing??) to release contaminated water there – again. Just a cover story IMHO. And is R2 gonna to go Boom any time soon? Why all the frantic activity all of a sudden? Wherefore art thou coriums? How is SFP4 getting on? – all quiet about that these days. Hey Tepco, tell us ……….
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Where's the contamination going?
"…probably into the Pacific" – Wotcha
[some quotes may be taken slightly out of context]
Team – A:
"…probably into the Pacific" – A. Gundersen
"…probably into the Pacific" – C. Busby
"…probably into the Pacific" – H. Caldicott
"…probably into the Pacific" – Greenpeace
"…probably into the Pacific" – Everybody else
Team B:
"…maybe into the Pacific" – President Obama
"…maybe into the Pacific" – Hilary Clinton
"…DIRECTLY into the Pacific" – Japan/TEPCO
"…radiation is in your head" – Nature.com
"…zzz …zzz …zzz …zzz " – NRC, EPA & others
What will be the overall effect to 'life' on this planet?
Team A:
"Not good!" – Unanimous
Team B:
"No immediate concern" – Unanimous
(minus a TEPCO no comment)
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Actually, TEPCO *is* telling, it's a different matter if anyone is telling. Or if they're going to believe. But what they're telling sounds certainly bad enough.
Just last Fridays report contains a little gem that basically says "While using a fire-engine to feed a spent fuel pool due to a leak a leak was discovered". Bonus points for quick thinking on "We found a valve was leaking, so we cut it off" in the same report.
On the bright side they appear to be making progress on the "Cold Shutdown" front. As none of the units have intact walls anymore, all of the pipes are freezing and breaking this winter. Why this didn't happen last winter, and why they haven't got anti-freeze and insulation into those parts yet is unclear, though.
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The fog engulfs the plant in front of my eyes. May be it is a real fog – I do not see any particular place of fume. Watch the time lapses later.
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FukuSneezium event – timestamp 02.07 JST 26th January. Need to review this on the time lapses as think I saw black stuff flying around on the Tepcam view. Tbs has the all too familiar grainy view blocked out by the emissions.
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here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPwfrTCa6kY
I still can not tell what the… was this.
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A rogue cloud from the west (left)at 1:20+.
…?
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that's not fog.. it's smoke… and, the rads on the upper portion of the cam are so hard they are occluding the upper part of the bertha-crane and the tower as well. Fog, doesn't move like that, nor that quickly low to the ground.
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And the long version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-OA3xdUb90&list=UUuoE4ixZbEN75entP-kHtiQ&index=1
It is fog as this condition is a cold shut down! Sorry I am a little bit angry these days and try not to say too much. Only when needed.
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TBS clip of the 'event':
2013.01.26_01.11–02.11(TBS_JNN)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIvFiRhCQ6M
and the Fuku weather forecast says it's overcast/cloudy. Whatever it is looks very grainy so is full of ****.
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Dear all, watching TBS and Tepcam at the same time is amazingly disturbing. Quick changes of colour, the light is off on one and not on the other. Sudden movements of camera on TBS as if they were replacing one shot with another. Etc.
I heard the alarm sound on TBS again though it was much fainter than last time. from 06:16 (Samedi 26 2013JST) for at least 5 minutes. It's now 06:46 and I can hear it again.
Here is a screen shot of tepcam a few minutes later. Very grainy.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5772834/FUKUSHIMA/2013%201%2026%2006h16.bmp
Too bad I missed the capture of a pinky mondrianesque puzzle on TBS.
@ wideawake: Flash indeed. Had probably blinked when it occured.
@ purewater: Same feeling here. We have the right and duty to be angry, don't we?
@ChasAha I couldn't help laughing reading your latest comment. Human ability to laugh about the most extreme dangers and grotesque lies and absolute indifference to both of them won't save us but surely makes it easier to cope with the lot. Thanks!
Dawn in Japan, night for me. See you guys and gals. Take good care.
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Just noticed the Tomioka cam is back on:
http://www.nttfukushima.com/live/tomioka/Default.html
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I was watching that cam last nite. I notice they have turned on the streetlights, at least some of them. A lot of traffic for an empty city.
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Is the vent tower near reactor 3..tilting back a bit? its not straight.
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I find it strange that PattieB hasn't weighed in on these screen shots and clips as they indicate something unpleasant has occurred again.
Today's report that there was a fire near the common spent fuel pool certainly suggests that Tepco felt compelled to create a (lame) cover story.
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The 1 PM Jan 26 JST live feed:
http://www.tepco.co.jp/nu/f1-np/camera/index-j.html
SP: Not supposed to be any precipitation in the weather cast…but there are sure some weird sparkles.
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sorry.. was hacking a bit… found the corium that got burned out of reactor 4… that ones in the ground, too… but tepco put it there deliberately… with a dozer… that's why no lookie-walky-seeing betwixt buildings 3 & 4… sigh!
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More smoke?? Darn polisher playing up again? <sarc>
2013.01.26 17:00-18:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn0hb25FbIM
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Weird cloud moves over facility in ten seconds.
To verify and get a different perspective I watched it on fuku1long at only 2x. What I see is a really FAST moving cloud-like phenomenon moving swiftly over the facility.
In real time it took about 10 to 12 seconds. Looks like a mini-dust storm to me.
This 10 second massive somewhat translucent cloud appears as a flash at higher speed. (20x)(see comment #326477 above)
As close as I can tell, it occurred at 2013-01-25 at 13:00:18 through 13:00:23. (The last 2 digits are tenths of a second.)
–> Note the video begins at 13:00:17. Maybe pause the video, let it load a little, then click play. It's literally at the very beginning.
fuku1long 2013-01-25 13:00-14:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AKhCFpRogk
[re-post from above]
enenews.com/forum-fukushima-webcam-discussion-thread-june-30-2012-present/comment-page-32#comment-326477
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working-actions on fukushima-ground 2013-01-25
http://youtu.be/DwKofHthwkc
black'n white cat @ tomioka :
ttp://youtu.be/LNNAaIo6Hh4
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