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A FIRE THAT NEVER GOES OUT
Someone was looking for this:
from Arnie Gundersen:
"Here is what would happen if Unit 4 were to crack and the water were to drain out of the nuclear fuel pool. The fuel is hot enough that it needs to be water-cooled. If air is all there is cooling the fuel, it will burn.
It will burn the zircaloy cladding on the fuel, (and) will react with the oxygen to create a fire. And it is a fire that once it starts, cannot be put out by water. Water would make it worse. So the nuclear fuel would have to burn completely before the fire would ever go out.
In the process, all that radiation would go up into the atmosphere and blow all over Japan and all over the world.
Maybe this is what Michio Kaku meant when he said:
"A meltdown is forever."
Michio Kaku: "A Meltdown is Forever"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okHM-Y1-3L0
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Just found out, TEPCO has office in Washington DC and London.
Why? Curious now.
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The Debris is Here
For those who live in my area – Vancouver Island, Seattle, Neah Bay, Vancouver – the debris is starting to arrive.
Debris from Japanese tsunami floating up Strait of Juan de Fuca
Posted by Jim at Thursday, May 17, 2012
http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2012/05/debris-from-japanese-tsunami-floating.html
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Nuclear Cheerleaders Use Voodoo Science to Pretend Low Levels of Radiation Are Safe … Or Even Good For You
(May 18, 2012)
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/05/department-of-energy-pretends-that-low-levels-of-radiation-are-safe/
"Dr. Peter Karamoskos – a nuclear radiologist and a public representative on the radiation health committee of the Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency – wrote in the Sydey Herald last year:
You have to hand it to the nuclear industry and its acolytes. In the middle of the second-worst nuclear power disaster in history at Fukushima, and with still no end in sight, you would think they would respond with contrition, humility and profuse mea culpas. Not on your life. The industry representatives and its acolytes came out swinging in full denial attire.
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But more insidious and objectionable is the creeping misinformation that the nuclear industry has fed into the public sphere over the years. There seems to be a never-ending cabal of paid industry scientific ”consultants” who are more than willing to state the fringe view that low doses of ionising radiation do not cause cancer and, indeed, that low doses are actually good for you and lessen the incidence of cancer."
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Good points on the recent mice study:
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/05/department-of-energy-pretends-that-low-levels-of-radiation-are-safe/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheBigPicture+%28The+Big+Picture%29
"Another DOE-funded study published yesterday– which is being widely publicized in both the mainstream and alternative media – found that mice exposed to low-level radiation suffered no “apparent” genetic damage. Sounds impressive, until you realize 3 basic facts.
First, the mice were only studied for 5 weeks. The whole danger of low-level radiation is from repeated exposure over a long period. A 5-week study is therefore scientifically meaningless.
Second, the study didn’t distinguish between radiation coming from outside the body and particles of radiation ingested into the body: what are known as “internal emitters”. Internal emitters – say airborne radioactive dust which we breathe in or radioactive fish which we eat – are much more dangerous than general exposures to radiation. See this and this."
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…
(quote from above article)
Third, the DOE-funded researchers only:
Tested for several types of DNA damage, using the most sensitive techniques available.
However, DNA damage is only one of the two primary ways in which low level radiation causes damage. The second – and perhaps more important – way that low level radiation causes damage is through lipid peroxidation. Specifically, several studies have shown that the main culprit for the damaging effect of low-level radiation is its ability to cause radiolysis of water and formation of reactive oxygen species, resulting in lipid peroxidation in the body. The DOE-funded study didn’t test for this mechanism at all.
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Good finds, Pu. Thanks for sharing them. The "mice study" details seem particularly damning – far beyond sloppiness.
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I discussed the details twice of the original study and the follow up "framing article"
http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2012/05/plant-erupts-into-poison-fruit-dont-be.html
http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2012/04/plant-in-environmental-health.html
Washington's blog also has a good, relevant article
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-20-16/nuclear-cheerleaders-use-voodoo-science-pretend-low-levels-radiation-are-safe
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Thanks majia – love your blog!
I was trying to find something to refute someone's statement here that Japan is finished.
Instead, I keep finding the opposite:
"Japan as a nation state has been destroyed."
Michel Chossudovsky (Editor)
I-Book No. 3, January 25 2012
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28870
Problem is, some areas of our west coast have similar readings, so that we also have to admit that "the west coast is destroyed."
Perhaps it is.
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Pu239
I wish I knew how bad the fallout is.
Clearly, areas of Japan are highly contaminated and should be evacuated.
Areas in Japan that should be evacuated are not being evacuated.
I would assume that if areas of the US are also highly contaminated, they also will not be evacuated.
So, it seems to me that we are not going to know how bad it is for Japan and the west coast of the Canada and the US (where I live) until the health effects are so overt that they cannot be hidden.
Last spring I was listening to NPR (US National Public Radio) when they started discussing an uptick in infant mortality due to "sudden infant death syndrome" in British Columbia. NPR blamed it on the mothers for laying their children on their stomachs.
Tell me why more mothers would suddenly start laying more children on their stomachs after public service announcements have been telling us for at least 10 years not to lay babies on their stomachs?
I stopped listening to NPR and haven't listened to it again since.
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I surveyed the radiation levels on the Olympic Peninsula, Washington, about a month after the disaster in Fukushima. It was at the background rate from Hoodsport to Aberdeen but five to six times that from Lake Quilute to Forks to the Elwah River just West of Port Angeles. From there to Sequim, and down the Hood Canal to Hoodsport it was around twice the background rate.
I am a PhD scientist, own a modern geiger counter, and know how to take statistically valid field measurements. Several years ago, I measured radiation levels in the food supply. — Uranium waste is added to some fertilizers. — That is a different issue, but be aware that there are, also, other sources of radioactive contamination than just Fukushima!
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Welcome, RobertC! As always, we welcome experienced scientists here who can add to our understanding of these complex issues.
I live in the Seattle area and moved here a couple of years ago, so I'm just learning about these other possible sources of "background" radiation you are alluding to.
Have you looked at EPA's online database and noticed they used to test for things like Plutonium in our drinking water? (It appears they stopped testing in the months proceeding Chernobyl.) Back then, they found tiny amounts. I wondered why they stopped testing for it…
Just like I wonder why they stopped testing our drinking water for radiation after taking their last sample on March 28, much too soon for the fallout to have time to possibly accumulate, especially since we know the fallout was still raining down on us throughout April.
As you will find here, most of us are skeptical of any reports we receive from gvt. sources exactly for reasons such as this.
Anyway, would love to hear more from you here! Thanks for joining us and sharing your input.
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I found almost complete agreement in the medical literature on where the non-military uranium contamination is coming from. — Uranium is soluble in phosphoric acid. That is how the mining industry separates it from the ore. But they end up with a lot of contaminated phosphoric acid. The EPA allows them to mix it with clay and sell it as high phosphate fertilizer. It is a good insecticide and increases the shelf life of vegetables They even certify it as "organic." The State Department of Ecology goes along with that, too. I tested foods from grocery stores and found that about 75% of those I tested had significantly elevated levels of radiation. The patients (of the group of physicians who had asked me to examine this issue) who switched to home-grown vegetables had no recurrance of cancer.
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Oh my goodness. They can actually certify vegetables grown with uranium-"juiced" phosphoric acid under an "organic" label???
And I thought it was bad enough learning this past year, in my post-Fuku awakening that the U.S. allows recycling nuclear waste with scrap metal and incorporating it into consumer products with no regulation of those products whatsoever!
How can we keep track of all the man-made (or man-exascerbated) nuclear radiation in our environment with all these criminal shenanigans going on?
This surreality is just getting more surreal by the minute…
Sigh…have a good weekend everybody, anyway.
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these are pretty eye opening details RobertC.. it's astounding what is going on and yet hidden.
is there online material related to what you're saying ?
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I think there is some online information about the uranium. This isn't new information. I did that study 3 to 6 years ago. There was a book written on it about ten years earlier. Its title is "Toxic Harvest." They had a website.
After I did that study, I sat on a committee with one of the influential people in the environmental movement. I made some waves. It is possibly no coincidence that, the next year, the Legislature passed a bill tightening the regulation on some of the heavy metals. However, they said that they could do nothing about Uranium, because, it was under Federal regulation. — It isn't that things don't change, they just change at a snails pace.
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RobertC, kudos to you for speaking up about this issue and helping create awareness that led to legislation. I will check out "Toxic Harvest" from my local library. (though maybe I really don't want to know what was in our food already, pre-Fuku fallout.)
Hmm…uranium regulated by the Fd. gvt? Sounds an awful lot like what I've heard about local municipalities not being able to test for radiation in their water, as it was also regulated by the Fed. gvt so they test it instead…?
When I hear things like this, I can't help but wonder why? Is it because of information control issues? Another words, if the public really knew what was in our food or drinking water, and that whatever radiation that may be there was caused by nuclear power polluting our environment, citizens would wake up and call for an end to nuclear power. But then the gvt. would not have their ready supply of weapons grade plutonium to make nukes?
Is that the real reason they regulate uranium and the testing of our food and water supply? Inquiring minds really, truly want to know.
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It's almost unbelievable that they'd put such a study out.
Infantile, puerile (reaching for thesaurus), irrational, insane? Seems to be an occupational hazard for universities that are too close to their corporate funders.
I thought they were bright at M.I.T? Have standards dropped, (Josef Oehman aside)?
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Ionizing radiation causes DNA damage, but also causes epigenetic DNA methylation changes.
"Role of DNA damage and epigenetic DNA methylation changes in radiation-induced genomic instability and bystander effects in germline in vivo."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21143184
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More and more diseases are being linked to epigenetic changes
Been following it because of my work on autism
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"Radiation-induced genomic instability and its implications for radiation carcinogenesis"
Lei Huang, Andrew R Snyder, and William F Morgan:
http://www.nature.com/onc/journal/v22/n37/full/1206697a.html
"The biological effects of ionizing radiation in mammalian cells include gene mutation, chromosomal rearrangement, cellular transformation, cell death and carcinogenesis. For many years, the central dogma in radiobiology has been that the nucleus, specifically the DNA, is the principal target for the biological effects of radiation. Following irradiation, the initial radiation-induced DNA damage is converted into a mutation or chromosomal aberration during subsequent DNA repair and is expressed by the irradiated cell and its progeny.
"Over the last 10 years, evidence has accumulated demonstrating that those same deleterious effects can occur in the progeny of irradiated cells at DELAYED TIMES (my emphasis) after radiation exposure. These deleterious effects occurring in the progeny of an irradiated cell are broadly grouped under the all-embracing rubric of radiation-induced genomic instability and have been the subject of a number of recent reviews (Morgan et al., 1996; Wright, 1998; Little, 2000). "…
…"During clonal expansion of that single irradiated cell, the chromosomes recombine to generate multiple subpopulations of cells showing unique cytogenetic rearrangements within the expanded population."
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CYTOGENETIC
Cytogenetics: The study of chromosomes, which are the visible carriers of the hereditary material. Cytogenetics is a fusion science, joining cytology (the study of cells) with genetics (the study of inherited variation).
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=2904
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EPIGENETIC
ep·i·ge·net·ic/ˌepijəˈnetik/
Adjective:
Resulting from external rather than genetic influences.
Of, relating to, or of the nature of epigenesis.
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ScienceDaily (Apr. 1, 2009) — Ali Shilatifard, Ph.D., Investigator, has joined with a team of colleagues to propose an operational definition of “Epigenetics” — a rapidly growing research field that investigates heritable alterations in gene expression caused by mechanisms other than changes in DNA sequence.
The definition is intended to address confusion within the scientific community about the distinction between the mechanisms of epigenetic memory during early development versus those of dynamic chromatin regulation involved in differential expression of genes throughout adult life. The mechanisms underlying epigenetic memory are of great importance to human development and disease, but they are poorly understood.
METHYLATION
meth·yl·a·tion [meth-uh-ley-shuhn]
noun Chemistry .
:the process of replacing a hydrogen atom with a methyl group.
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Medvedev warns of [nuclear] war
ST. PETERSBURG, Russia, May 17 (UPI) –
“Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev warned Thursday military intervention in the affairs of sovereign states could lead to war, even nuclear war….”
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2012/05/17/Medvedev-warns-of-war/UPI-54581337262591/
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ANNE
is the tokai reactor a 'BREEDER' reactor?
thanks
I know it is an "experimental reactor"
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Food for thought…
Donna Summer: One of thousands of nonsmokers killed annually by lung cancer
Some frightening context: If lung cancer in “never smokers” had its own category separate from lung cancer in smokers, “it would rank among the top 10 fatal cancers in the United States,” reports the American Cancer Society.
Workplace exposure to cancer-causing agents (including chemicals and gases) — as well as pedestrians, bikers and joggers sucking in small particles of air pollution — are also believed to prompt some lung cancers in non-smokers.
But it is radon gas – an odorless, radioactive, element rising from uranium deposits and collecting inside homes – that leads to most of the lung cancers that strike down nonsmokers. According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, radon kills 20,000 Americans annually.
http://vitals.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/18/11759180-donna-summer-one-of-thousands-of-nonsmokers-killed-annually-by-lung-cancer
In a perfect world, It would be interesting see every lung cancer victim have a screening for radionuclides. After all, if they died from radioactive particles in their lungs, they are still there.
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I figured out what is so important about Tokai
Takagi, Junzaburo & Nishio, Baku (1990). Japan’s Fake Plutonium Shortage. The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, 46(8), 34-38.
The article explains that the Japanese have no fuel shortage problem because they have been refining it for its “research reactor projects. Until now, the fuel has been produced mostly in the Tokai reprocessing plant, which began operating in 1977” (p. 34).
The authors were criticizing Japan for plans to receive shipments of plutonium from France and Britain. The shipments were scheduled to start in 1992 and would cost Japan 20 billion yen ($130 million) to ship.
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1988
JAPAN'S NUCLEAR PROGRAM STRESSES BREEDERS, PLUTONIUM AND SAFEGUARDS..Authors:Sweet, William.
Source:Physics Today; Jan88, Vol. 41 Issue 1, p71-74, 4p, 1 Black and White Photograph,
How much plutonium has been processed at Tokai?
Why did Japan need so much plutonium?
If they could produce their own, why did they need to buy it from France and England?
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The questions are mine, not from the article on Japan's nuclear program stressing breeders, plutonium and "safeguards."
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[Alvarez] “Meanwhile, Unit 2 of the Tokai nuclear complex, which is near Kyodo and just 75 miles north of Tokyo, is reported to have a coolant pump failure.
And Japan's nuclear safety agency has declared a state of emergency at the Onagawa nuclear power plant in northeastern Japan because of high radiation levels. Authorities are saying its three reactors are "under control.
March 13, 2011 • By Robert Alvarez
Fire in Spent Fuel Rods Would Be Disastrous
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-alvarez/meltdowns-japan-earthquake_b_835121.html
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NOTES – Leuren Moret May 15,2012 with Alfred Webre of Exopolitics
HERE IS THE LINK TO THE VIDEO INTERVIEW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZzw7PNsn_Q
HERE ARE MY NOTES, NOT EDITED BECAUSE I WANTED TO GET THEM POSTED.
Interference has caused earlier attempts to abort. She was being blasted with waves, vomited and was confused etc. – being beamed by gov em frequencies etc.
She says their interviews have spread around the world. Much interest.
Busby air filter examination of car air filters – equivalent of 300 Chernobyls. Releases have continued. Large releases at end of July, due to molten fuel that dripped down through the floorboards of reactor bldgs. – into groundwater, ground, radioactive seams. Transported by air and water. rains out & is deposited in North america, Europe, central and se asia, all over no. hemisphere.
weather warfare, haarp, chemtrails, rain, is radiation delivery mechanism. also chemical pollution, BP, Gulf – BP is a key player.
Very horrible situation.
continued in another post here.
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Albert Stubblebine's info – says potential is there to destroy environment & all human life. Stubblebine was with CIA top secret program, has lied about this. He tortured children in psychological experiments.
Is HIS info about Fuku. useful or not? He is reading from a scripted document. Graph of radiation measured in Strawberry creek, UC Berkely – came from UC Berkely & other govt. sources, Pentagon, Livermore Labs. He is delivering the info, does not really know what he is talking about.
Stubblebine affil. with Col John Alexander, Los Alamos; mil. intel. His wife Rima Laibow into psych, ESP stuff. he has lied a lot about his background. ALEX JONES IS REALLY PUSHING THIS VIDEO RIGHT NOW.
He says he is pres. of NATURAL NEWS…. Mike Adams tied in with military, CIA; AJ also – so it appears. All govts. are terrorist organizations.
Stubblebine's background is all intel & involved at high level with CIA etc. He has no background in radiation studies – was just reading the info, it is not his research.
He referred to re-location schemes – people from No Hemis. to so. hemis. Might be defrauded – fraudulent local attorneys – involved with relocation op.
Using the clinic, luring people down to their clinic in Panama, & stripping them of pension funds, savings, etc. She has talked with Rense about this.
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Ms. Moret was in error [@16:30 in video] when she talks about Gen. Stubblebine being the President of Rick Adams Natural News. It is Mike Adams who has Natural News. Stubblebine and Rima Laibow have the Natural Solutions Foundation. Which is not to say that Stubblebine and Laibow are not fifth column disinformation specialists (which I believe strongly is the case), but it does say that she does not have her facts straight.
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I noticed that mistake also, WildTurnip. It didn't agree with my info about Mike Adams & Natural News, and I checked it out and found no substantiation of any tie between Natural News and Stubblebine. I pretty much agree with what you say here, but in general I think Leuren Moret's information is very good, and accurate. I agree with you about Stubblebine and Laibow.
I did find by checking on You Tube that Stubblebine – and Laibow with him, I believe – have been guests of Alex Jones on his radio show, several times.
Mike Adams has moved to Texas and has become involved with Alex Jones' Infowars. In fact several times he has hosted the radio show, when Alex has been traveling/unable to do the show.
I don't trust Alex Jones. But I do think he has a lot of good info on his show. However to attract and keep his target audience, any disinfo source must put out mostly accurate information. It is the shadowy world of intelligence spooks, in which one doesn't know whom to trust. That, perforce, is now our world, as we-the-people are the targets of much disinformation – that old 'battle for the minds of men', etc.
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part 3 of notes from Leuren Moret interview May 2012
Vilcabamba Ecuador – a friend of hers – money has been extorted by this Army colonel,. borrowed against their pension fun, stripped of assets. had sent lots of pers. belongings.
she was targeted with emf heart attacks. had to go back to USA. Ecuador has lots of CIA there. infiltrated the ecuadorian govt. local laws do not protect Americans. they are lured down there then stripped of their wealth.
Fuku radiation update. should we leave the No Hemisphere? THE BIG PICTURE -
pART one – health effects from cesium which is damaging people's hearts. in very young people, atheletes. fittest part of pop. they are very active, breathe in lots of air thus lots of radionuclides. incl. cesium. which ends up in muscles incl the heart. triple the number of former heart attacks in athletes!
Copper Canyon race, feb. of 2012 Gila Wilderness – he was running out there and died. cardiac arrest. athletes in races in US have died or collapsed. people in their 20s and 30s
African soccer player – in hosp had cardiac arrest, is in hospital. one of his team mates has acute leukemia. this is happening in many countries.
Also race horses dying in US, in England, dying after races.
environmental causes – fuku.
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PART 3 OF NOTES MORET/WEBRE INTERVIW MAY 2012
BP is a main partner in fuku disaster thru tromso norway haarp facility. also gulf region polluted with corexit. these chemicals are coming down in rain and hail stones in eastern part of USA.. radiation and corexit together lead to 10 times the toxicity.
BP fracking – why are they and Haliburton doing this, using these chemical & permanently poisoning our ground water. no one else is allowed to use these chemical. they are getting into the deep aquafers. now they are contaminated and it will last for a long long time. Our drinking water is contaminated doubly.
What does Leuren see in terms of how to deal with this — depop genocide plan. centrally involves the Rothschild family. Anglo-Dutch monarchies. queens and their husbands. queen beatrice married an nazi prince – her handler. same with elizabeth – her husband is her handler. BP and are involved in the conspiracy.
a war against the no hemisphere superpowers. international financiers are involved in water rights, transportation, mining, steal thru muke power industry & others.
now are pumping China – getting raw materials. dumping western economies, europe and NA. want No American union, with amero currency – Obama in office for second term
it is going to be very ugly and nasty. mexico and usa don't want this union. so they re going to cause chaos. ordo ab chao. to get their N A union.
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American police are now under NATO. police in riot gear plus military types in camo with machine guns. a military take-over. Mexico was targeted by DOPE INC – brit monarchy and the 13 families that have long controlled the drug trade. they are attacking Mexico. Mexicans believe they are harp earth quakes. not normal. swarms of earthquakes.
Drugs and oil and gas – diamonds and gold – are the currency. this hidden econ is 5 times larger than the visible economy that we know from news etc.
Malaysia,burma , himilayan foothill countries are perfect for growing opium. viet nam war was about opium ,
Jardine and matthesen in Hong Cong. Dope inc is British. A lot of money!
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PART 5 OF MORET INTERVIEW, LAST PART.
Fuku and the radiation threat. her estimate of the situation – will reactors 2 & 4 get worse, more of a threat to humanity and the ecology. ? what can we do to protect ourselves. how many excess deaths have there been.
proper steps were not taken right after fuku happened. several govt. sent teams to fuku to assist tepco and jap govt. rejected all their advice and help. they wanted to save the money of the stockholders. so the nuked the stock holders and in apan and in usa and europe, all of no hemis and ultimtely so hemisphere.
our governments have delayed and denied. unprecedented in all of history. threatening all life on earth – will be a major die -off. death rates are increased . radiation is not diluted, is all there in our air, food, water, ocean, in ocean and air currents. being carried all over.
how can we stop this? – in japan teh people are demonstrated – as they have never done. have been meek and accepting. not now. incl. disgruntled politicians.
result – last reactor in japan was turned off. japan is sayng no more nukes. we must find our spiritual power, and inform each other and collect info –
all nuke technologies have been misued and misapplied. main purpose of nuke movement has been genocide!
Japanese are networking. used to this because of their oppressive govt. even emperor and his family are controlled. but this disaster is changing that. emperor was flown thru very radioactive air…
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Rad Chick, Msmilky and other rad updates at
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/nnn.html
if anyone is interested in bugout conversations, please email
chemfood@hushmail.com
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PART 6 OF MORET INTERVIEW… 'really' the last part! ….
our governments have delayed and denied. unprecedented in all of history. threatening all life on earth – will be a major die -off. death rates are increased . radiation is not diluted, is all there in our air, food, water, ocean, in ocean and air currents. being carried all over.
how can we stop this? – in japan teh people are demonstrated – as they have never done. have been meek and accepting. not now. incl. disgruntled politicians.
result – last reactor in japan was turned off. japan is sayng no more nukes. we must find our spiritual power, and inform each other and collect info –
all nuke technologies have been misued and misapplied. main purpose of nuke movement has been genocide!
Japanese are networking. used to this because of their oppressive govt. even emperor and his family are controlled. but this disaster is changing that. emperor was flown thru very radioactive air. delibertely exposed. sent to vacation in no japan in most contam area – emperor and child of prince ended up in hospital . the child got asthma. he had bypass surgery.
fallujah – like hiroshima and nagasaki – but worse in fallujah – it was the du ammo. 5 kiloton and under nuke bombs also being used, just smaller bomb
AT THIS POINT THEIR INTERVIEW WAS INTERRUPTED. GO TO http://www.ecologynews.com
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I've been waiting for another interview with Moret and Webre and was told that they were trying to create another but being interfered with. Thanks to whomever (I forget who it was) posted the info that there is this new interview.
I think Moret's research and info is top of the line; not going to get into any debates on the matter, just posting this here for any who might be interested. I find her info so good, and there is so much info in each interview, that I have gotten into the habit of taking notes to send to the few I know who might be interested.
Sorry for how rough these notes are and the typos etc. I will go over my notes and clean them up but for any who are interested I wanted to post them 'as is.'
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Japanese town votes to restart reactors
Financial Times
“By Jonathan Soble in Tokyo A week after Japan switched off its last nuclear power plant in response to the disaster in Fukushima, a rural town council has approved the restart of two reactors under its jurisdiction, potentially opening the way for a …”
http://newsblogged.com/fukushima-nuclear-power-plant-reactor-latest-news-real-time-updates
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anne, I had never visited the newsblogged site before, but it's a really useful tool. Thanks!
Among the many nuke-related goodies there was a story from a mainstream conservative Canadian outlet (CTV) dated today that paints the Fukushima story in very dire terms for the first time ever (from them), as far as I know.
The story has a very misleading photo, which may or may not be mischief, but the headline is a complete about-face for msm – "Fukushima Reactor 4 poses massive global risk"
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/World/20120518/fukushima-dai-ichi-risk-reactor-4-120519/
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Yes, CTV is about as mainstream as you can get in Canada.
Gundersen is quoted extensively, and there is even a link to Fairewinds. Arnie has hit the big time.
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Fukushima Crisis Is Completely Over After One Year (NOT!)
“This piece from the World Nuclear Association, which is a platform for apologists of the Nuclear Power Industry is unbelievable in the extent they present the opposite of the MASS NUCLEAR DEATH scenario, which is EVERYTHING IS COMPLETELY UNDER CONTROL scenario which isn’t exactly spot on either. I am reposting their piece with my comments. There is no mention of the massive damage to reactor buildings by explosions at units 1,3 and 4 which destroyed all of the cranes and platforms needed to remove intact radioactive fuel rods, or mention that there is no known procedure to remove melted corium fuel from the bottom of flooded containments. TEPCO’s 40 year schedule is based on decommissioning an intact reactor. It is probably impossible to safely dismantle Fukushima or restore the economy of the surrounding lands anytime in the forseeable future
“Starting with the unbelievable conclusion:
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[cont.]
“Conclusion
“While by any measure the accident at Fukushima Daiichi has been severe and has negatively impacted the lives of a lot of people – particularly those who have had to evacuate {MORE LIKE RUINED THE LIVES OF 200,000 PEOPLE COMPLETELY AND LEFT A BIG HOLE IN THE GOVERNMENT WHICH IS PAYING FOR CLEANUP AND BAILOUT OF TEPCO}– the reactors are now properly under control (UNDER CONTROL? CRANES AND SYSTEMS TO REMOVE SPENT FUEL FROM POOLS WERE ALL DESTROYED AND NO KNOWN WAY TO REMOVE MELTED FUEL IN CONTAINMENT FLOOR??) and the situation at the site and in the surrounding areas is continuously improving due to the efforts of the site workers, decontamination experts and the Japanese people….”
http://www.asianweek.com/2012/05/15/fukushima-crisis-is-completely-over-after-one-year-not/
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Get Ready to Shake, Rattle and Glow — The Worst is Yet to Come at Japan’s Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant
“Since that fateful day on Friday, March 11, 2011, every second of every day, millions of unsuspecting people continue to be exposed to harmful amounts of radiation from three reactor meltdowns. This includes a host of fission products: Iodine, cesium, strontium, plutonium and uranium. Even as I type this essay, mass exposure is ongoing on multiple continents and, as a direct result, many healthy souls will get sick and die premature deaths. However, the worst may be forthcoming …
“I truly wish the worst was over, I do. But sadly, that's not the case. In addition to the ongoing three reactor meltdowns, an even greater tragedy is poised to unleash radioactive hell. The Reactor 4 building is on the verge of collapse. According to structural experts, seismicity standards rate the building at zero, meaning even a small earthquake could send it into a radiated heap of rubble. Plus — here's the worst part — sitting 100 feet above the ground in a pool at the top of the building that is cracked, leaning, leaking, and precarious, are 1,565 fuel rods [fuel assemblies with approx 90 fuel rods each] (give or take a few), some of which are “fresh fuel” that was ready to go into the reactor on the morning the earthquake and tsunami hit. Fresh fuel will make the situation much worse….
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[cont.]
“Nearly all of the 10,893 spent fuel assemblies sit in pools vulnerable to future earthquakes, with roughly 85 times more long-lived radioactivity than released at Chernobyl.’…
“the madness of this nuclear fuel-rod storage bomb will continue until its eventual collapse, which will cause imminent global exposure….”
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2012/05/19/get-ready-to-shake-rattle-and-glow-the-w
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My eye caught a pro-nuke propaganda piece from Australian msm dated today:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/the-risks-of-dumping-nuclear-are-too-great/story-e6frgd0x-1226360641705
… so I looked to see what could be found about the author, and, sure enough, he has a track record of biased mischief in the Energy wars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_O%27Neill_%28journalist%29
Take-away point – always investigate sources.
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we must support the unions that support the anti-nuclear movement …
"The Victorian branch of the ETU has given its full support to the Qld and the NT branches' decision to ban members from working in uranium mines, nuclear power plants or any part of the nuclear fuel cycle. As part of its campaign the ETU branches in Qld and the NT have launched a DVD in which 'Mr Sparkie' is offered a lucrative job at Roxbury Downs in SA. The DVD compares uranium to asbestos with the courageous Qld secretary Peter Simpson describing uranium as the new asbestos."
http://www.etu.asn.au/newsandevents/news/etu-no-to-uranium
I was only saying to my hairdresser today that uranium mining can be stopped just like asbestos mining.
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"ban members from working in uranium mines, nuclear power plants or any part of the nuclear fuel cycle" – look at that folks – that's what's needed
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Japan to dump radioactive tsunami debris in Saipan, a US territory:
http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/05/jp-gov-is-going-to-send-disaster-debris-to-usa/
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In the coming years with so many decommissioned reactors (probably over 200 in this decade as bankers and governments try to divest these toxic Dr. Frankenstein money pit monsters) the deserted island disposal method may become popular.
But transportation may be more problematic by sea than train or truck transport. Lots of dangers and financial issues.
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Oh sh*t… 1,000 Bq/kg from human excrement in Nagano:
http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/05/1000-bqkg-from-human-excrement-in-nagano/
50 Bq/kg in human tissue leads to irreversible lesions in vital organs:
http://enenews.com/must-see-top-radiation-expert-50-bqkg-in-humans-leads-to-irreversible-lesions-in-vital-organs-then-top-un-official-refutes-effects-of-internal-radiation-video
Human poop is now 20 times this level.
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1,000 Bq/kg from human excrement in Nagano:
thanks bobby
as its under the 1024 bq/kg safety linit recently disregarded in the uk scottish mountains,,
i can safely say , that according to the ICRP and the IAEA, that it is fit for human consumption..
the 50 bq/kg is in "old money" (as we say in england) and probaly only the dose you would get from … say… a banana!
nothing to worry about here! ??
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oh and its great talking shit with you bobby!
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"i can safely say , that according to the ICRP and the IAEA, that it is fit for human consumption.."
I suggest we feed it to the pro-nuke sociopaths and their paid trolls.
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Re: radioactive poop
SP: Answers the question if anyone wondered why sewage sludge is so toxic in Japan.
A new paradigm in poopology and the cycle of life. Plants and animals do not have any imported food or water options (a few exceptions, but 99% eat fallout food and water).
A huge percentage of the Japanese population are eating fallout crops and fallout contaminated water. It's a loop that will soon lead to a medical crisis far exceeding Cherobyl. The deadly effects of internal radiation poisoning will be something they can't hide over time. Cancers and death will skyrocket in Japan. It's a tragedy in slow motion.
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SP posted this erroneous verbiage:
"A new paradigm in poopology and the cycle of life. Plants and animals do not have any imported food or water options (a few exceptions, but 99% eat fallout food and water)."
SP: whizzing on my own roses.. Of course plants don't "eat" food except for Audrey II, they ingest nutrients.
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@bLADES
JUST WANT TO SAY thank you. You went to a lot of effort and it is APPRECIATED.
HOPE YOU ARE FEELING BETTER!!
openeye
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Thanks openeye – much appreciated. Re my health, I am worried, it is not good. I am just one of those who irrationally fears doctors and have not gone in for the testing and exams I need. (I'm afraid of what they will discover.) Have been to several masseuses and chiropractors – no permanent help – but had a recent massage that helped quite a bit, so have another scheduled for tomorrow.
I could have fibromyalgia, which I am learning about. Or it could be more serious. If it is, I will consider myself one of the casualties of Fukushima.
Re my effort to take the notes , I am a big Leuren Moret fan – I like the way she just talks about it all, the Rothschilds and the de-pop agenda and HAARP. It is brave of her, because she takes a lot of flak and ridicule. I have been studying all of this for very long now, about 35 years, and based on my studies and info, Moret's info has a high level of accuracy. She worked with Marion Fulke (nuclear chemist) at Berkeley Lawrence Livermore labs, and was kind of tutored and mentored by him. He is a very old man now.
Years ago Moret was active in Japanese protests against the development of the nuclear industry in Japan. Years ago, she predicted and warned against just such a bad nuclear accident, if accident it be, in Japan, as occurred on 3/11.
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From Fukushima Diary..great journalism
JP Govs colluded on a bomb program disguised as innocent energy and civil programs
http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/05/a-succession-of-japanese-governments-colluded-on-a-bomb-program-disguised-as-innocent-energy-and-civil-space-programs/
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Telegraph UK…"Who will bury Britain's nuclear waste in their backyard? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/9272373/Who-will-bury-Britains-nuclear-waste-in-their-backyard.html#disqus_thread
A quiet and scenic corner of Kent is asking residents to let it be the country's first Nuclear Research and Disposal Facility." Aaargh…asking? yes of course they' are, with backhanders, lies promises of jobs and never ending! riches for the community. check out the comments..(sigh) so many shills.
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Earthquake: 5.8 off Honshu.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_big.php
Must have just happened (about 20 min ago). I'm at 12:32 Pacific Time.
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Shallow too (14.9 km):
MAP 5.8 2012/05/19 19:05:21 39.750 143.202 14.9 OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
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It happened at:
Saturday, May 19, 2012 at 12:05:21 PM (PDT) – Pacific Daylight (Vancouver, Los Angeles, Tijuana)
Saturday, May 19, 2012 at 03:05:21 PM (EDT) – Eastern Daylight (New York, Toronto)
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lol just posted on most recent article…
As I didn't see your post sir
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Japanese Air to be at Least 300 times Worse than Chernobyl (Chris Busby)3/5
Aug 2, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NYsX0lDSo8
Dr Chris Busby Speaks with the Japanese People
2 August 2011.
“Dr. Chris Busby, world famous physicist, said tests run at the respected Harwell Radiation Laboratory in England demonstrate the airborne radiation in Japan is 1,000 times higher than radioactive “fallout” at the peak in 1963 of H-Bomb detonations by the nuclear powers. The calculations were on radioactive Cesium 137.
Busby certifies the poisonous, radioactive Japanese air to be at least 300 times worse than the air during the Chernobyl nuclear reactor disaster. Dr Janette Sherman, a highly respected physician and an acknowledged expert in radiation exposure, has estimated the world wide Chernobyl Kill to be at least one million people killed to date. The Chernobyl Disaster occurred April 26, 1986….”
http://www.shoah.org.uk/2011/08/02/fukushima-radiation-1000-times-h-bomb-peak/
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Thanks for that anne – almost deserves its own headline here.
I think when Janette Sherman speaks we ought to listen very closely:
http://janettesherman.com/2012/03/09/the-dangerous-myths-of-fukushima/
"In their haste to choke off all consideration of harm from Fukushima radiation, nuclear plant owners and their willing dupes in the scientific community built a castle against invaders – those open-minded researchers who would first conduct objective research BEFORE rushing to judgment. The pro-nuclear chants of “no harm” and “no studies needed” are intended to be permanent, as part of damage control created by a dangerous technology that has produced yet another catastrophe."
–
"A February 2012 journal article by the U.S. Geological Survey looked at radioactive Iodine-131 that entered soil from rainfall, and found levels hundreds of times above normal in places like Portland OR, Fresno CA, and Denver CO. The same places also had the highest levels of Cesium-134 and Cesium-137 in the U.S. While elevated radiation levels were found in all parts of the country, it appears that the West Coast and Rocky Mountain states received the greatest amounts of Fukushima fallout.
Radiation in rainfall guarantees that humans will ingest a poisonous mix of chemicals. The rain enters reservoirs of drinking water, pastures where milk-giving cows graze, the soil of produce farms, and other sources of food and water."
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Will follow up on this new source you found. keep up your
excellent reporting. Sickputer reposted the thread about
large amt. of fall out on West Coast and with your source
we are getting closer to the mother-lode. Still looking for
hard data. Elusive but it must be out there. thanks.
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http://nadp.sws.uiuc.edu/img/global/logo_nadp.gif
National Atmospheric Deposition Program
David Gay,
NADP Coordinator
217-333-7871
Chris Lehmann,
NADP Assistant Coordinator
217-265-8512
Greg Wetherbee,
USGS Principal investigator/lead author
303-236-1837
Mark Nilles,
USGS Atmospheric Deposition Program Manager/coauthor
303-236-1878
Tim Debey,
USGS Nuclear Engineer Manager-Reactor Research Facility/coauthor
303-236-1837
Here is a list to contact to inquire about the fall out coming from Fukushima.
This is run out of the U. of Illlinois (state with most nuclear reactors)
Will follow up on this next week.
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"Is the debris radioactive?" From NOAA.gov
(I wish they would put a name as to who wrote this stuff.)
There is consensus among scientists that this is HIGHLY UNLIKELY, for several reasons:
First, the tsunami created debris over a large stretch of coastal Japan, while the leak from the damaged Fukushima reactor occurred in one place. Therefore, the vast majority of the debris was many miles away from the reactor, precluding any contact with the radioactive leak.
(This is just plain stupid. FALLOUT through the air comes down. They're stretching for the 'dispersion' diversion. "contact with the leak"??? Why don't they say Explosions and Meldtdowns too?)
Second, the leak of contaminated water from the reactor into the sea started days to weeks after the debris was washed out to sea. By the time the radioactive water leak developed, the debris was already in the ocean, miles away from the reactor, and moving farther offshore by currents and wind. Exposure to contaminated water, which also moves by currents, was UNLIKELY to occur.
(Sooner or later it becomes contaminated.)
Finally, vessels coming into the United States from Japan were monitored for radiation, and readings were BELOW THE LEVEL OF CONCERN. In the ONE instance where debris from the Fukushima region was found – a small boat picked up by the research vessel STS Pallada – it was tested for radiation and the levels were normal.
http://marinedebris.noaa.gov/info/japanfaqs.html#4
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updated fukushima debris tracking links
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/forum/index.php/topic,20.msg488.html#msg488
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ChasAha, you're right to be skeptical. They massively overstate their case.
I note that they cite only one instance of finding debris from Fukushima, which just happens to have been picked up by a Russian vessel. I'm guessing they thought Russia might not comply with their "cone of silence" rules, so they might as well admit its existence.
http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/iprc/news/press_releases/2011/pallada_tsunami_debris.pdf
That said, there is bound to be considerable dispersion. Whether that turns out to be significant remains to be seen. Chronic inescapable low dose exposure is not particularly comforting, except when compared to instantly lethal high dose hot spot radiation.
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B&B posted these words of wisdom regarding POTR beef story:
"How could a beef sample from July 2011, which was hopefully stored in a freezer since then, show signs which point to a recent "control rod fire"?"
SP: You beat me to it cousin! I was flabbergasted to hear this tale of billions of particles of barium in the air pouncing on this Missouri beef chunk (one gram) as it defrosted for twenty minutes.
I may have been born at night…but not last night.
The POTR folks are sincere, but they need to temper such quick conjecture. It is obviously a faulty test result for the barium IMHO. YMMV
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Maybe one of the team just had a barium ….. and ……
I can't say it…
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You think he…. well…you mean the whole barium?
No….that's just..:-)
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Jebus… You are so damn funny. I had IBS twenty-five years ago and let the quack docs give me a BE. I can tell you it will be the last one in my lifetime!
BTW… My probiotics regimen has almost completely alleviated my Fukushima fallout intestinal issues. Got to buy some more though and the 40 million bacteria vegan capsules I buy are a buck a pill. But worth it.
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I had a barium milkshake once, strawberry, to "light up" my upper GI for ulcer detection. I remember the doc telling me to drink it slowly and all of it. It started running down the sides of my face and I couldn't stop to wipe it off. I started laughing to the annoyed looks of the doc. The nurse was giggling…
I don't think that I will ever go the other path to "enlightenment" though….
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What then about the accumulation of the other nuclear elements found in the
beef sample. Lets leave out the barium and la findings as there is question on
how it could of been absorbed so quickly and his comments about the recent
emissions from Fuku from April 30th on. Does this invalidate this report.?
Who else can provide data to ascertain his findings…..? not the beef and
diary industry.
if it is true that the barium and la were recently in the air and did get in the
sample , is that possible? if it was what does it mean int erms of danger?
or if it did happen then what health effect is that going to have.
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I would say. lets hope that other's are challenged to do independant testing of many other food products and that they pick from the west coasts pantry. This is just one data sample, however it was done, and that is not enough for anyone to pass a judgement upon the safety of our beef supply.
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Hi Sam, we know of that farm in Oregon (?) who stopped farming due to fallout. It's clear the west coast got showered in radiation. And yes, it's criminal that the officials are silent on this.
But I think this type of hysteria video is exactly what the pro-nukers are waiting to see to discredit all our honourable efforts.
3 Billion Bq/kg – and he said it three times! Not a smart move, if you ask me.
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So good to hear about this farm in Portland Or. that you know of.
They must of done some kind of testing to make the decision to
stop farming. Do you have access to the data on what these courageous
farmers based their decision on. no one is telling us what's now in
our food, in our soil and in our air. No news is definitely not good news.
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Hi Sam, no data here, I just read about that farm in an Arnie interview.
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thanks again for talking again about
that farm in Portland Oregon. We do
need testing data from West Coast
of America. Perhaps Potrblog has
stirred up a hornets nest and will
invigorate people to get things
tested with scientific methodology
that is valid and reliable. There is no
tolerance here for anything less.
Even the Berkeley Nuclear Lab
in their banana and airplane comparisons
calls into question their truthfulness.
WHAT IS IN OUR BEEF?. HOLY COW!
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Sam… B&B jogged my memory.. Back in March admin was on top of the latest news like always:
http://enenews.com/fairewinds-president-farm-portland-longer-producing-after-lot-radiation-detected-very-frightening-happened-west-coast-video
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thanks for reposting the thread. read through it.
as again, no hard data though have to live with
the constant presence of contamination and
on going fall out. not good. I have not been on
my tractor for the last 10 days. Perhaps too much
deposition going on here in Sonoma county Ca.
Ground still needs to be worked for planting.
We all have to eat and do remediation to help
counteract the cellular effects of radiation.
It is not good.
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Speaking of tractors….Great movie I have a DVD of… The Day After: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0001WTVUW/ref=aw_d_detail?pd=1
Post nuclear war tale of survivors. The farming issues related to radiation are interesting. The local farmers remaining scrape off the top layer of topsoil before planting. But roving gangs of lawless desperate survivors present grave danger.
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What makes you think it was a faulty test? Potrblog's speculation as to where the barium came from is irrelevant to the fact that it was detected independently.
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I feel Potrblog's test is right on. The many ways in which this 'stuff' is going to land on everything is incalculable.
I would agree that one test is not necessarily conclusive, but it's 100% better than NO TESTING AT ALL!
ty – potrblog team
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Did anyone catch which lab did the testing? Thanks.
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He said he did not want to mention the name of the labs. He also stated he had another lab at first that refused to take his money. He doesn't mention them by name either.
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Thanks, ChasAha (the sound is off again on my laptop, very unpredictable). I am surprised that anyone took his money. No one wanted to take mine last year, indicated that it would be wasted.
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If Potrblog guy thinks that the claimed 3 billion Bq/kg came from chopping the beef during 20 min. in open air, then he should get a sample of himself tested, pronto.
That's hilarious.
Also I get the impression he has no idea what the "-9" behind the reading means.
1.100 bucks well spent (Not).
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Having whizzed on the Roses folks, let me temper my remarks lest people think I am an asswipe critic.
My daughter and her family lives in Missouri and I love the state and the people. I like the efforts of POTR to get out the word about Fukushima. But they must be careful to check and countercheck data. Get help from people to read scientific data from tests. Post test or geiger counter data in online document format instead of
a video and invite people to interpret the data. YouTube is OK, but not the Holy Grail of vommunication.
Good for our anti-nuke efforts…The beef tested showed contamination from many radioactive isotopes. It needs a control test result pre-Fukushima for comparison. Don't tell viewers you think the ten-month old sample that was frozen got contaminated in real time because you used faulty testing methods. I don't buy that because if it were true you could take a day-old dead cow today, chop it up and have it tested and if you were correct it also would have a billion particles of barium.
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Excellent methodological recommendations.
Lets hope they are done to ascertain the
true state of the beef.
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+1 cousin
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We all had better hope that it was faulty data, because, if by chance it is not, then we all are truly in a world of hurt…
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I think the data is correct, but not the interpretation.
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BreadAndButter, Potrblog is saying that if all the barium-140 that was detected in the beef was produced when the cow was slaughtered, there would be almost 3 million Bq/kg of it (I don't know why he says 3 billion). That is why he is hypothesizing that the contamination occurred when he was slicing the beef up.
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Hey Bobby1, maybe I'm having a blonde moment here, but I just can't follow his calculation. On the sheet he's presenting it says barium140: 9.74E-9 picoCurie/g.
9.74E-9 is 0,00000000974 picoCurie/g. (I might be 1 zero off)
1 picoCurie is 0,037 Bq.
So that gives us 0,00000000974 x 0,037 =
0,00000000033 Bq/g.
Which is 0,00000033 Bq/kg.
I might be totally off the mark, but for me it seems quite far from 3 billion Bq/kg. I think he got the -9 wrong. Could that be?
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It says 9.4757E-03 pCi/g. That is 9.4757 pCi/kg, or 0.35 Bq/kg. He is NOT saying there is 3 billion Bq/kg in it, again, he is saying that there would have to have been a ridiculously high concentration of barium in the beef, to detect this amount over the multiple half-lives since July 2011.
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Hi Bobby1, like I said, maybe I'm far off.
I don't take this youtube video for real, though. IF the levels were as drastic as he suggests, someone else would've come up with it earlier, I guess.
*anyway, even more gald today I don't eat meat.
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It's a poor presentation of a very important lab result. What concerns me is the cesium, and the whole stew of other radionuclides present. They might not be at the 95% confidence level, but that doesn't mean they aren't there. The probabilities are not published, but the number of them indicate that it is very likely that one or more of the other nuclides is there. And there is nasty stuff like cerium and uranium isotopes.
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Hi Bobby1, if I'm misreading the number 9.475 as 9,475…what is the I-131 reading then? On the list it says 2.80….for me, that would mean 2,80?
It's all a bit bizarre and not easy to follow, I think.
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BreadAndButter, iodine-131 is 2.8E-3 pCi/g, or 2.8 pCi/kg. Another isotope that should have decayed away.
He has a frost-free freezer, but so do I, and frost builds up in it anyway. That is from water vapor in the kitchen… if there is I-131 in the air, it will get into the frost.
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Govt discussing ways to dispose of drifted debris (Video)
"Japan's government is discussing what to do about debris drifting across the Pacific Ocean from last year's disaster in Japan.
The Environment Ministry estimates that about 1.5 million tons of debris drifted out to sea following the tsunami that hit northeast Japan. The debris includes small fishing boats and waste from destroyed houses. (…)
International law does not require Japan to recover drifting debris. However, the government intends to study possible payment for disposal of the debris.
Officials say large amounts of debris, such as the wreckage of houses, may reach the western coast of North American countries from around October.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/20120519_22.html
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Good talk, by Christina Consolo
[discussing the corium, steam events, bioaccumulation, biomagnification and so on ...]
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/goldismoneyradio/2012/05/17/may-16-2012-fukushima-christina-consolo
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She is also the host of “Nuked Radio” Tuesdays & Thursdays from 12-1:00 pm EST on the Orion Talk Radio Network.
http://oriontalkradio.com/Default.aspx?PID=27
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Did we cover this? (will check)
Tepco Data Reveals Nuclear Meltdown In Reactor 4 Spent Fuel Pool
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/05/16/tepco-date-reveals-nuclear-meltdown-reactor-4-spent-fuel-pool-133571/
"That chart shows a highly level of radioactive iodine 131 was released from the reactor 4 spent fuel pool, which means there was a nuclear meltdown in the pool.
Last year TEPCO downplayed the detection of cesium in the fuel pool by claiming the cesium detected in reactor 4 was only 1/100th of the mount detected in reactor 1, 2 and 3 hence concluding the detected cesium was likely ‘blown’ into reactor 4 from the other reactors.
However, TEPCO hid the fact they detected a massive release of iodine radiation – which is a clear sign of a nuclear meltdown – in reactor 4 spent fuel pools."
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Sam of the Golden State (not Sam Gamwise my dog) typed these pixels of light:
"threatening. It is truly a can of worms to do this and publish results. Potrblog is courageous
and perhaps not prepared for the legal storms to come his way."
SP: yeah… Look what the Texas beef industry did to Oprah in 1998 in the famous mad cow defamation lawsuit in Amarillo. Oprah has deeper pockets than most to defend herself from angry big beef. 13 states have food libel laws (not Missouri, but then again Oprah did not live in Texas which is one of the 13).
Most litigants from big beef or the nuclear business would probably try to sue someone like Arnie to shut him up. That's why he is very cautious on his public statements and videos.
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Very good article on radiation in general, for the neophyte, and radiation effects – clearly explained. Also goes into the low-level debate and explains it.
MONDAY, MAY 07, 2012
http://rationallyspeaking.blogspot.ca/
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Another way to take out a nuke plant:
Salps [jellyfish] force California nuclear plant to shut down
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1179969–salps-force-california-nuclear-plant-to-shut-down?bn=1
[Lorianna De Giorgio - Toronto Star, May 20, 2012]
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I've been searching for a link to an article by Mike Adams. It was written within the last 6 or 7 weeks. In it he wrote that Fukushima and the radiation that has been arriving in the US should be a more urgent concern than political issues. I've looked on his website and can't find it. Google is taking me to all sorts of dead-ends. Does anyone happen to have a link to the article ? Thanks
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MOV048 [Chris Busby - without his hat. Not sure who the speaker is]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHDOZFC4fTo&list=PLAABB2F4FA935ECC3&index=1&feature=plpp_video
Interesting point:
The DOE (Department of Energy] is NOT like a normal department – it's a [major] branch of the military.
(I think they fund both Lawrence Livermore, Los Alamos and M.I.T., among others].
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@ pu239
ahh the mysterious bob eh??
hopefully we will ascertain his true identity.. the university funding bit and WHO funding was particularly interesting i thought…
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is uk nuclear starting to show signs of cracking up??
HAST tank project may be abandoned as Sellafield reviews Thorp, Evap D future
May 16, 2012
By I-Nuclear
"..Evaporator D and another planned new evaporator, Evaporator E, were once considered essential for both continued reprocessing and post-operational clean out of reprocessing facilities once closed.
Proposals for Evaporator E were dropped when a 2009 redesign of Evaporator D expanded its scope so it could serve both Thorp operation and post clean up roles, NDA has said.
But it was thought that Thorp operation would need the additional evaporator capacity that Evaporator D would supply, as well as other new infrastructure, to continue running though 2018 to complete existing reprocessing contracts.
In a November study, for example, the NDA said that “if the costs for completing the reprocessing contracts were to rise – through the need for additional infrastructure or significant delays to the current programme – then it would be more cost effective” to close Thorp early…."
http://www.i-nuclear.com/2012/05/16/hast-tank-project-may-be-abandoned-as-sellafield-reviews-thorp-evap-d-future/
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actually i just realised that they are going to burn the lot as opposed to glassify it!!
maybe i dont like
whimper
just got back in .. the winds are from sizewell and its puking.. looks like uk nuke puke is increasing the dose allowance to all before somebody sensible notices!!
merde
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@admin
the site appears to be a bit unstable..
the forums list has disappeared on the right of the page as has the "most viewed"
the posts are not running in sequence at least on this thread
and has been reported slow loading (but not to bad)
all the links at the top of the page are missing
and the links at the bottom of the page are showing html stuff
presume you are at work on it..
just a heads up!
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Thanks arc yeah, unfortunately I'm spending Sunday trying to figure out what is going wrong.
Features are disabled at times while I try and figure out the problem.
Can I get some input from anyone reading this on how much slower it is now compared to usual, approx. load time, and what browser is being used?
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When i use IE it takes a fair amount of time to enter this site. With Firefox and noscript on it's easy. I wonder if the facebook script may the problem.
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IE was working fine for me but Firefox was slow. I cleared my cache in Firefox and it is zooming now.
I'll check the FB like box next.
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@admin
funny enough, my browser was slow yesterday.. really slow, both ie and chrome but today it is working fine with no cache cleareance.. possible data mining? i say this because it effected all my web searches, not just on enenews..
and heres an interesting story
05/18/2012, 19:38
Gigantic tsunami can haunt America
"Hawaii and California are threatened by huge waves, which can be as high as those who have visited in Japan last spring. Results of a recent customer at the Institute of Mountain in the State of New Mexico study could show that the rupture of the crust on the sea floor south of Aleutian provoke an earthquake of 9th
The scientists believe that the Earth has begun a new phase of seismic. As a result of the earthquake in Japan last year, the tectonic plate has moved east to 20 meters. In addition, the movement of tectonic plates stopped in Europe and Asia, which had separated recently on what the beginning of the opposite process – can record the approach."
http://german.ruvr.ru/2012_05_18/75191852/
u might be able to get a better translation
wonder who the scientists were?
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@Admin WordPress 3.3.2 is available! Please notify the site administrator….This notice appears after loading my Dashboard.
Load times in Firefox back to normal, 2 seconds.
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New building material to absorb cesium developed
A Japanese research group says they have succeeded in developing a building material that could filter most radioactive cesium from contaminated water.
A research group at Kinki University's Faculty of Engineering in Hiroshima Prefecture applied a method using plaster found in traditional Japanese architecture.
The traditional material called "Shikkui" usually mixes lime with sand, but the group used zeolite powder instead of sand.
The newly developed material is permeable.
Researchers say that during tests that filtered cesium dissolved in water, the material absorbed over 99-percent of the cesium.
The group says the material could be used to safely store debris and soil contaminated by radiation by preventing radioactive substances from seeping out.
Researcher Atsushi Taga says the result was unexpected. He says he hopes the material will be used to store contaminated debris from the accident at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/20120521_01.html
*BnB would love to see how it deals with all the other nasties.
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Chinese tour group enjoys Fukushima
A group of Chinese tourists visited Fukushima Prefecture on Sunday. They were the first such group to visit the area since last year's March disaster. (…)
Tour company escorts say that during the bus ride they explained to the visitors the radiation levels in Fukushima Prefecture. (…)
Wang Zhenghua, who leads the group companies said he has confirmed the safety of Fukushima and believes more Chinese will visit the region in the future.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/20120521_02.html
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Confirmed the safety of Fukushima, eh?
Well, I suppose you would say that if you were a travel agent.
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"Protesters Arrested at Pilgrim Nuclear Power Station"
"Protesters arrested at Pilgrim Nuclear Power Station in Plymouth MA after trying to deliver letter to Entergy Corporation representatives asking that they address the safety issues brought to light by the accident at Fukushima."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmfkDzOv2y0
yes, wow, these guys have the right idea .. some action ..
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Whaaaat? They handcuff these peaceful people and arrest them for trying to deliver a letter?
World, what is wrong with you
PS richard, i'll contact you – thanks!!
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http://dl.dropbox.com/u/53903742/fucking%20angry.jpg
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Love that pic b&b, that's just brilliant..
Where's it from, what were they doing, more more more ?
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I winced at that picture, thinking how easy it would be for msm to trivialize or distort it. For example "Masked young anarchist threatens innocent businesspeople with the F-word" (bit of a stretch, but you know what I mean).
Media use that kind of photo to get a knee-jerk fear reaction from "comfortable burghers", playing to "oh, it's just some coddled hippie kids protesting again. The authorities should deal with them harshly."
I much preferred B&B's photo the other day of the toddler facing the jack-booted riot squad. Play with their heads – challenge their preconceptions.
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aigeezer- you mean this one:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/53903742/Blockupy.jpg
totally different approach, I agree, lol
I'm not about this whole "anarchy"/"black squad" thing normally.
But I AM f*cking angry.
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I love that one, B&B.
Back to my theme for a moment… In the infamous Toronto G20 Summit, it was claimed that some of the masked "anarchists" were wearing regulation-issue police boots.
This could be disinformation from either side, of course, but I'm ultra-sensitive to how those photos are spun at every opportunity.
For a deep wallow in the world of media spin (in all directions), Google "toronto g20 summit riot".
Here's a starting point:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/tabatha-southey/at-last-the-whistles-been-blown-on-the-g20-carnival-of-police-excess/article2437214/
I'm glad you posted both photos, B&B – it's all part of the mix, and it's sure better than just saying "ain't it awful".
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Faint stirrings of nuclear awareness from Nova Scotia, Canada. (Very faint).
"More must be done to ready for radiation mishap"
Those pesky mishaps. Put it on the "to do" list.
"…in late June, an exercise is planned in Halifax that will look specifically at nuclear threats in the Halifax area."
http://thechronicleherald.ca/metro/98464-prof-more-must-be-done-to-ready-for-radiation-mishap
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I love that word "mishap".
It's like the "troubled" Fukushima plant faces "challenges" with regard to early "decommissioning".
Oh, the spin, the euphemisms.
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"Military prepares for ‘unlikely’ nuclear incident"
"Construction started last year on the shiny steel and concrete building where military personnel will be brought for radiation decontamination. It is expected to be ready by the first week of June."
At least it's shiny.
http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/98525-military-prepares-for-unlikely-nuclear-incident
This story is painful on many different levels. Mainstream media, government and military all doing their thing.
We're on our own, folks.
I didn't put "Canadian" in the header, because then nobody would have read it.
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First I am no scientist but fertile imagination and always looking out of box.
Would it be possible to wet vacuum fuel pellets out of fuel bundels in SFP, you could make hose out of lead and as you vacuumed they would be surrounded by water, could you remove fuel pellets one at a time.
And remove to new pool or right into dry storage
Could you not vacuum ocean floor around plant to collect any spent fuel
Spacers could keep fuel from coming in contact with each other if not melted
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No sign of breakthrough in U.N. atom chief's Tehran talks
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-nuclear-iranbre84k0qj-20120521,0,3098567.story
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“Relocation of molten core debris into a water pool can involve a nonenergetic interaction (steam spike) or an energetic interaction (steam explosion). A steam spike can cause significant steam generation which can oxidize metals remaining in the core region and increase hydrogen generation. A steam explosion, however, has the potential to cause significant damage to the reactor vessel. It has also been suggested that steam explosions are capable of generating missiles which could threaten containment integrity.”
SP: Goddard’s steam theory explosion for Unit 3 may have new life in my opinion.
SP: The above is an excerpt from a 1200 word blog entry (a little too wordy for our posting limits here).
I wrote a review today for a long 1991 NEA document concerning core meltdown studies that is 21 years old, but has some very interesting information on nuclear industry core meltdown studies:
http://sickputer.wordpress.com/2012/05/21/1991-document-on-core-meltdowns/
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sorry if this is a re-post, but, uh…M6.4 off Honshu, today.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/usb0009uu3#summary
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and no idea why my comment posted itself where it did…
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I believe that earthquake was yesterday…
M6.4 – 93km E of Miyako, Japan
2012-05-20 07:20:37 UTC
etwas, I think you are caught in a space time continuum….
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