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  • Mieko Nishimaki reports from Fukushima nuclear disaster zone
    April 30, 2012

    On 11 March 2011, the earthquake of magnitude 9 occurred off the Pacific coast of Tohoku in Japan. This earthquake triggered powerful tsunami waves that reached heights of up to 40m and brought catastrophic disaster to the Pacific coast of the Eastern Japan.
    The number of the dead and the missing rose to 19,000, and 350,000 people in total are evacuated even now. The damage from the Great East Japan Earthquake is increased by the influence of nuclear accidents. The earthquake and tsunami caused explosions due to hydrogen gas in the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant of Tokyo Electric Power Company, and consequently a large quantity of radioactive substances spread and the sea and the soil were contaminated widely. Due to this contamination, many people are apprehensive about the risk of diseases, such as cancer, and pregnant women and parents with little children are particularly in great anxiety. Radioactivity causes damage to genes and the influence of contamination continues for decades. This time, please listen to the voice of a woman, who is a member of our church and lives in Fukushima City. …

    http://iawn.anglicancommunion.org/news/index.cfm/2012/4/30/Mieko-Nishimaki-reports-from-Fukushima-nuclear-disaster-zone


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  • 4 suspicious deaths of endangered Hawaiian monk seals, Hawaii
    To Mass Animal Death on Monday, April 30, 2012
    http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/2078/058/


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  • VanneV anne

    Gundersen on KPBS Discusses Developing San Onofre Situation
    http://fairewinds.org/content/gundersen-kpbs-discusses-developing-san-onofre-situation

    On http://www.fairewinds.org/ :

    Nuclear Hotseat Host Libbe HaLevy Queries Arnie Gundersen about San Onofre
    April 24, 2012
    AudioApril 18, 2012
    Al Stahler and Arnie Gundersen Discuss San Onofre Steam Generator Failures
    Audio
    April 11, 2012
    Fukushima Daiichi and US Domestic Nuclear Crisis
    Audio
    March 30, 2012
    Gundersen on Earthfiles: Fukushima One Year Later: Not Yet Out of the Woods


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  • VanneV anne

    Groups challenge insufficiency of NRC Post Fukushima Orders to install reliable hardened vents on all U.S. GE Mark I and II reactors and modify spent fuel storage pools
    http://www.beyondnuclear.org/nuclear-reactors-whatsnew/2012/4/25/groups-challenge-insufficiency-of-nrc-post-fukushima-orders.html


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  • Bobby1

    Fukushima prefecture: 100 to 150 uSv/hr on path children use to go to school:

    http://www.asyura2.com/12/genpatu23/msg/367.html (Japanese) (video)


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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    The infighting that threatens to undermine US nuclear safety http://gu.com/p/378hy/tw via @guardian
    Jaczko – the sole commissioner to object to the licence – argued the new project should have been built to the higher standard. "I cannot support issuing this licence as if Fukushima had never happened," he said.


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  • andii

    "North Korea nuclear test 'could take place this week'
    North Korea is building up to a nuclear test that could happen this week"

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/9235709/North-Korea-nuclear-test-could-take-place-this-week.html

    Madness! According to the US govt, it's Uranium this time.


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    • many moons

      Why Goverments test nuclear weapons..

      1. To see if the go off

      2. To see the amazing mushroom cloud

      3. to see how many innocent people they can kill

      4. And one of the most important reason…to look powerful!

      Have I left out any?


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  • NBC – Jay Leno on San Onofre Nuclear Leak. I am not sure what to say about this. (?)

    You decide for yourself.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvRiAG9vJYk&feature=related


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    • @Jay Leno Here's my youtube reply.

      "If your relatives are from Hiroshima OR Fukushima this is NOT FUNNY. Very poor taste and misleading on a subject (NUCLEAR FALLOUT) that is either not reported at all or is grossly under-reported. – Stop the Death Machines known as Nuclear Power Plants!!! Our genetic future is at stake. The untold suffering from these monstrosities will haunt (us, all life) for centuries to come."

      :(


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  • bluebonnet bluebonnet

    Hello everyone – Today I did a Google search trying to find an article from last year about very high readings on Kauai. One of the links took me to a page on Radiation Network that was new to me. http://radiationnetwork.com/Message.htm I had never seen that page before. After reading the page, especially the "Fukushima one year later what have we learned" section, I'm confused. It almost sounds as if Fukushima radiation is no big deal – or perhaps I'm misreading it. If anyone has a few minutes to read it, I would appreciate your opinions. Thanks


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    • snowwy snowwy

      Bluebonnet, it starts off saying that natural bavkground radiation is fine as we have survived. This is a kind of over simplified view on the subject. We cannot stop natural radiation from occurring naturally, we have evolved to deal with it? Given that natural radiation is for most parts relatively low then yes, we can handle it as a species but we never used to live long enough to actually develop serious long term issues. Given that most people born never actually reached adulthood, child birth or simple accidents such as breaking a leg were often enough fatal then yes, those issues (diseases and accidents and so on) are relatively major, low level of radioactivity is not even a factor in it all. We live much longer these days. Background radiation

      Then it turns to radiation spikes due to other causes such as object etc. also not an issue if it is short lived as or bodies can deal with mild spikes too and then recover.

      After that he starts to reflect on the Fukushima disaster which produced very high levels of gamma radiation (well actually not just gamma) within an area of approx 50 miles around the nuclear power station.

      So the author is not worried at 5000 miles away from the disaster that there would be any significant elevation.

      This is the moment where I would like to put it in layman's terms:

      radiation is accumulative. we have been kept in a state of manageable border line level of radiation

      tbc


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      • snowwy snowwy

        continued

        by the nuclear power industry among others and by our own, partially under reported or covert accidents.

        If my best friend asked me about it, I would say:

        "we have been hovering above the original (natural) background radiation added by the less natural radiation, added by ingested low level radiation, added by x – rays, added by technology emitting radiation etc etc. if we now experience more addition to the, lets call it common status quo, radiation then we are being pushed over the edge.

        There is not anyone (wild claim of mine) who has not been low level contaminated above the level of natural radiation, that there is any tolerance for additional radiation and especially not if its a long term thing."

        in other words, Fukushima will not kill us immediately… there is no immediate danger … there is no immediate danger in smoking and we all know how okay and healthy that is in the long run.


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        • bluebonnet bluebonnet

          Thanks, Snowwy, taking taking the time to read and comment on that post.I felt that the writer was almost minimizing the consequences of Fukushima. That made me wonder if the readings on that website were any more reliable than those from the EPA monitors. I appreciate everyone who posts here and the information that everyone shares so freely.


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  • vital1

    Free Geiger Counter Use Guide

    If you are thinking of purchasing a Geiger counter, or

    have just purchased one here, is a free resource to help you.

    This Basic Guide will provide you with information on how to protect your Geiger Counter from contamination, plus how get the best out of it.

    The Free Geiger Counter Use Guide has been given another update with lots more useful info. Download it from here. If you have any suggestions or additions to improve the guide, please let me know. It is provided free as a resource for this community.

    http://technologypals.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Using-a-Geiger-Counter-to-test-food-for-Radioactive-Contamination.pdf


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  • Construction begins on permanent Chernobyl container

    Although only two people were killed in the initial explosions, the United Nations atomic agency says that 28 rescue workers died of radiation sickness in the first three months after the accident. According to Ukrainian official figures, …

    http://www.france24.com/en/20120426-chernobyl-yanukovych-ukraine-nuclear-disaster-anniversary


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  • The strange case of the Fukushima nuclear disaster and the Supreme Court of Injustice

    Only 400 days ago, the previous more immature versions of our past selves might have scoffed and laughed at any dramatic idea inferring that a great nation, like Japan, could crumble into tiny bits and fall into the ocean, like a modern Atlantis.
    Post-WWII Japan has always been written off as a country which could not afford to isolate itself from the rest of the world, which is why the central government had justified the invitation of foreign intruders into sovereign land to its citizens, and the subsequent pillaging and sale of Japanese ethics and attention.
    Each individual “son or daughter” of Japan now face a proverbial “mountain” of problems, the likes of which, they have never before experienced in such measure or scale. This is not a …

    http://enformable.com/2012/04/the-strange-case-of-the-fukushima-nuclear-disaster-and-the-supreme-court-of-injustice/


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  • Background Paper on BWR Reactors for non-Nuclear Engineers – Fukushima reactor schematics, containment

    From: Breskovic, Clarence To: Breskovic, Clarence Subject: Background Paper on BWR Reactors for non-Nuclear Engineers – Fukushima reactor schematics, containment, etc….

    http://enformable.com/2012/04/background-paper-on-bwr-reactors-for-non-nuclear-engineers-fukushima-reactor-schematics-containment/


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  • Feds Looking At Feed In Mad Cow Probe
    Federal agricultural officials who said a California cow died of an atypical form of mad cow disease now are investigating whether feed sources might have played a role … continue….

    http://www.foodmanufacturing.com/news/2012/04/feds-looking-feed-mad-cow-probe


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  • VanneV anne

    The infighting that threatens to undermine US nuclear safety
    The Nuclear Regulatory Commission became more powerful post-Fukushima, but it has been beset by division and dissent
    30 April 2012
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/apr/30/nuclear-industry-nrc-infighting-fukushima?newsfeed=true


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  • VanneV anne

    Brazil, the Next Fukushima?

    “Brazil has connected its first nuclear reactor, Angra 1, to the power grid, in 1985, and its sister reactor Angra 2, in 2000, at the Central Nuclear Almirante Álvaro Alberto, Brazil’s sole nuclear power plant, in the State of Rio de Janeiro. Angra 3, the plant’s third reactor, should be completed by French multinational Areva in 2014. The construction of the nuclear plant started in 1972, on a cove called Itaorna by the Brazilian indigenous (“Itaorna” in Tupi-Guarani can be translated by “the floppy stone” or “the moving rock”) well known for being located on an earthquake fault zone [The Independent, April 13, 1993], and situated just 3 kilometres from Praia Brava beach and about 80 kilometres from the city of Rio de Janeiro.

    "Brazil has intended to build many more nuclear plants after the Angra plant, in Iguape, Peruíbe and São Sebastião for example, however, these projects were all shelved after the Angra reactors were met with various problems ranging from malfunctions, stops and other incidents. The most recent one occurred in 2001, when 150 litres of radioactive liquid was dumped into the ocean as a result of a defect in a water valve indicator in the security tank. [Business News Americas, October 8, 2001]


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    • VanneV anne

      [cont]
      At the time – as it is unfortunately usually the case in such situation – the Brazilian nuclear power committee (CNEN) advisor, Rogerio Gouveia, confirmed that when the radioactive liquid leaked, “(the vital information) was not communicated to the population at the time because there was no danger.” If the incident had been more serious than a “simple” radioactive leak (which is already a very serious matter!), that deliberate blackout from the CNEN could have been fatal to those living within a close perimeter to the nuclear plant.

      “NUCLEAR SAFETY VS NUCLEAR JOKE

      “The safety and the monitoring of the Angra plant still remain today a concern for local populations and environmentalist groups such as Greenpeace. Precisely, on its website, the non-governmental environmental organisation tells the story of Agostinho de Araújo Soares, 57, who had worked for over 10 years at Angra 1 changing the fuel and pipes. “In the final years, I was already feeling very weak, with pain all over my body,” he explains. “When my hair started to fall out I was fired. Recently, I found out that my heart is swollen and I think that my bones have been affected, but I can’t find a hospital to treat me… no hospital in nearby Rio will want to treat me, because they don’t treat people who suffer from radioactivity…”

      http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/323938


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  • VanneV anne

    Tepco submits turnaround plan to Japan govt

    “…Sources have said the plan is likely to say the government will take a majority stake in Tepco in exchange for about 1 trillion yen ($12.4 billion) in taxpayers' money.

    “Under the plan, submitted a month later than planned due to a delay in finding the new chairman, Tepco will aim to restart nuclear reactors at its Kashiwazaki Kariwa plant in the business year starting April 2013 and raise household electricity rates by 10 percent, sources have told Reuters.

    “Such measures are considered key steps to make the utility profitable again. …”
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/04/27/tepco-idUKL3E8FR64N20120427


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  • VanneV anne

    It's more like a million years…

    Report tells of future Fukushima radiation

    “Airborne radiation levels in some parts of Japan's Fukushima prefecture are expected to remain at dangerous levels for a decade, a government report says.…”
    http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2012/04/23/Report-tells-of-future-Fukushima-radiation/UPI-45041335213486/


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  • VanneV anne

    What civil nuclear energy? Will everyone please wake up?

    Japan, USA Collaborate on Nuclear Crisis, Green Communities, Rare Earths

    “…The Commission is intended to foster strategic dialogue and joint activities related to the safe and secure implementation of civil nuclear energy and decommissioning and decontamination of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant on Japan's northeast Pacific coast….”
    http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/apr2012/2012-04-30-02.html


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  • enoughalready45 enoughalready45

    We’re outraged. And we expect you were, too. On April 23, 2012, the Washington Post editorial board writers callously dismissed the Fukushima nuclear disaster as “non-catastrophic.”

    Go to Beyond Nuclear for full statement and actions they encourage people to take.
    http://www.beyondnuclear.org/home/2012/4/30/were-you-outraged.html

    The Post advocated the continued use of nuclear energy and dismissed Germany's green revolution as an "anti-nuclear frenzy," while omitting inconvenient deal-breakers such as cost, waste, safety, health risks and human rights. The paper taunted Germany and Japan – and the anti-nuclear movement – for looking to renewables but misrepresented Germany’s successes. And they utterly ignored those who have already paid the price for the nuclear fuel chain, like indigenous uranium miners, and its newest victims, the children of Japan whose future has been stolen. You can review the original editorial here: http://www.beyondnuclear.org/storage/documents/WP_Editorial_April23_2012.pdf

    Also posted in FORUM: Links to news articles, reports, and posts that contain false or misleading information


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  • VanneV anne

    PARTIAL meltdown?

    How to avoid the post-crisis crisis

    “…If timeliness is critical to a good post-crisis recovery, crisis managers say truth-telling is equally so. There is a long list of sorry examples of inadequate disclosure that have each left their own legacies of mistrust. Witness the lingering public distrust from bungled crisis responses such as BP’s Gulf of Mexico incident and the partial meltdown of the Fukushima nuclear plant….”
    http://afr.com/p/technology/how_to_avoid_the_post_crisis_crisis_2ZRG1QL5Wtownte2wsxi4K


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  • andii

    Tsunami washed motorbike from Miyagi arrived in Canada :O
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17900245


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  • richard richard

    "Radioactive waste to be stored at Lucas Heights"

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-01/radioactive-waste-to-be-stored-at-lucas-heights/3982380

    "The waste was generated at the Sydney facility but was sent to France several years ago to be reprocessed to remove plutonium and residual uranium.

    The Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation (ANSTO) is applying for a licence to store the waste back at Lucas Heights when it returns to the country in 2015(, till 2020)"


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    • richard richard

      Lucas Heights (ANSTO) is the suggested source of questionable material associated to this road accident from 30 years ago.

      enenews "Fox News: ‘Vomiting road workers hospitalized after exposing mysterious nuclear waste’"

      http://enenews.com/fox-news-vomiting-road-workers-hospitalized-after-exposing-mysterious-nuclear-waste-scenes-akin-to-a-hollywood-disaster-film


      ANSTO have, on record, refuted being involved …

      http://www.ansto.gov.au/discovering_ansto/media_centre/ansto_media_releases_2013/ansto_media_releases_2013/for_the_record_pacific_highway

      "Some of these reports incorrectly said that some of the material on the truck had been sourced from Lucas Heights."

      Another article says …

      http://www.portnews.com.au/news/local/news/general/highway-fallout-radioactive-contamination-ruled-out/2527990.aspx?storypage=1

      "RMS and contractor BMD Contractors created an exclusion zone around a 1980 fatal crash site where a semi-trailer carrying drums radioactive material, Chinese food including lychees and the now banned pesticide DDT. rolled and spilled its load over the road.

      A drum and small cylinder carrying radioactive materials americium and caesium were thrown onto the road upon impact."

      … I wonder how they had such specific material information.. any layperson up till recent times would have simply said 'uranium' .. but here they say americium and caesium.

      They mention 'odorous orange clay' .. but that could be any of the…


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      • richard,
        "Contractors created an exclusion zone around a 1980 fatal crash site"
        Says volumes !
        I think there is more to it then what they are willing to admit, what they thought had been buried has surfaced again !
        Only way we will know is if some indivisual get samples and has them tested !


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        • richard richard

          On my next drive thru the area I will stop and take some reading .. but I don't know when that will be.

          But it sure smells likes something is going on.

          There is a cover up, or a lie. I'd love to know who this 'geophysical company' is … bechtel comes to mind, but that's because they are about the only one I know.

          I'll be keepping an eye out for this case as it continues.

          And I'll be making plans to be part of protests against storage at Lucase Heights by 2015.


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          • richard,
            I wonder what the health of all the people there at that time turned out like ?
            I mean if any developed any cancers or died from some ailment !
            Well if you do, take precautions !
            Me getting to close to that Corexit that time stopped up my lungs for a few days, it makes the lungs fill with fluid !

            East Coast Beach sand anomilalies with black stuff — what is that foam in the water ? (Video) 2340
            To Gulf Oil Spill on Sunday, October 10, 2010
            http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/209/739/

            Corexit Being Used On The East Coast ??1605
            http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/143/686/


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            • richard richard

              hi xdrfox,

              I've been continuing an update on the original thread ..

              http://enenews.com/fox-news-vomiting-road-workers-hospitalized-after-exposing-mysterious-nuclear-waste-scenes-akin-to-a-hollywood-disaster-film

              I'll repost some info I found earlier but misplaced. It talked of the general health of the first responders – and their health was questionable afterwards. But no fatalities (other then the original accident victim).

              I'd like to keep this thread related to nuke storage at Lucas Heights. This is a major concern and I can't believe they appear to be going ahead with it.

              If there was a need to evacuate a 50 mile radius, the city of Sydney and her two million people would be displaced… it's friggin outrageous that these nukers thinks this is okay.. they are friggin fools to the nTh friggin order.


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              • richard,
                Question for all, Why would they want to build theses things so close to metropolitan areas to begin with, Is copper that expensive ??
                Cheaper to buy wire them move cities !


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                • richard richard

                  Well, Lucas Heights is not even a power generator – it''s for 'research' and 'medical' science .. yeah right.

                  (I have been into this site, I mean right into it. I mentioned it in other posts, not sure if you've read them).

                  Also, when it was built, the area was very sparsely populated.

                  I simple cannot believe the selfish shortsightedness of these clowns.. seriously.


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    • richard richard

      "No nuclear waste store for Shire, says mayor"

      http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/no-nuclear-waste-store-for-shire-says-mayor-20120501-1xx6w.html

      "SUTHERLAND Shire Council says a ''people power'' campaign by residents might be the only way to stop plans by the nuclear agency to build a nuclear waste storage facility at Lucas Heights.

      The mayor, Carol Provan, said she was dismayed with an announcement yesterday by the Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation that it would apply for a licence to build a nuclear waste facility to take mid-level radioactive waste now being reprocessed in France."

      "'We are investigating what we can do … people power is a good thing, maybe people will start to jump up and down, they have the right to protect their families.'

      A spokesman for ANSTO said its application to build an 800 metre square warehouse would be for a temporary facility while the federal government resolved where a permanent waste dump should be located."

      I say – bollocks.. the liars – they'll leave the crap there till it gives everyone brain tumors.. lying nuke dogs. You can't trust them as far as you can through them!


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  • *PHOTO* Harley Survives Tsunami, Winds up in B.C.

    We were expecting some refuse from the Japan's monster tsunami to make it across the pacific… But I don't think anyone was expecting this. With a stroke of luck, this bike managed to float across the pacific to the sandy shores of British Columbia. That's wild.

    The bike is tagged from Miyagi prefecture, which was one of the areas hardest hit by the Tsunami. It washed up on a beach in British Columbia, in what appeared to part of a moving van. Luckily the bike was in a box, or else it would've almost certainly sunk to the bottom of the ocean.

    Hopefully, they'll be able to find the original owners of this incredibly lucky bike. While they probably won't be able it ride it again, it would be a wonderful living room conversation piece. If they can't, I hope they make something of it. It would be a shame to see such an amazing story go to waste. …

    http://www.hdforums.com/articles/community-news/harley-survives-tsunami-winds-up-in-bc.php


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  • Anthony Anthony

    Japanese tsunami debris arrives

    Sun, 29 Apr, 2012 – CBC.ca 3:45 | 89,944 views

    A motorcycle discovered on B.C.'s Haida Gwaii islands may be the first piece of debris from the Japanese tsunami to arrive in Canada

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/video/canews-22424922/japanese-tsunami-debris-arrives-29129838.html


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  • Fukushima still spewing massive radiation plumes; America in 'huge trouble,' says nuclear expert
    Tuesday, May 01, 2012

    During a recent Congressional delegation trip to Japan, Oregon Senator Ron Wyden witnessed with his own eyes the horrific aftermath of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster, which we have heard very little about from the media in recent months. The damage situation was apparently so severe, according to his account, that he has now written a letter to Ichiro Fujisaki, Ambassador of Japan, petitioning for more to be done, and offering any additional support and assistance that might help contain and resolve the situation as quickly as possible.

    The letter, which many experts see as the ominous writing on the wall for the grave severity of the circumstances, offers a disturbing glimpse into what is really going on …

    http://www.naturalnews.com/035731_Fukushima_radiation_America.html#ixzz1td0U7I6F


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  • Spot prawns. Let the season begin.
    May 1, 2012

    … Nothing says West Coast seafood as elegantly as spot prawns. There’s a certain elegance in spot prawn biology, too. In a move called sequential hermaphroditism, they start life as males and in their last year (about the third year), they turn into females to lay some 2,000 to 4,000 eggs. The advantage of the gender shift isn’t clearly understood even by the David Suzuki Foundation, but personally, I can see many benefits.
    “It’s one of those things in nature, not uncommon in the fish world,” …

    http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2012/05/01/spot-prawns-let-the-season-begin/


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  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    PLEA FOR HELP
    Please help bringing the Swift family home from Japan

    Dear all, let's get this family of 5 back from Chiba to the US.
    Please spread it far and wide!!

    http://www.youcaring.com/fundraiser_details?fundraiser_id=2328&url=bringtheswiftfamilyhomefund

    *thank you


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  • Misitu

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w8buDnqJbw

    At last, a 13min condensed version of the March 26 endoscopy of reactor 2, with times and comments. Forgive the comments, I have done my best with what can be seen. You will note the video has been rotated to the extent that I could make sense of the images (not being an experienced endoscopist).

    Comments welcome. I have been trying to get this done for weeks. Sorry for the delay & hope worthwhile.

    I tried to add this as a video response to the two original YouTube posts but decided not to wait for the OPs to authorise.

    Tech credits VirtualDub, AVISynth, AVSPmod, Pazera, VLC.

    Frame counts and timings shown at bottom of screen.

    Cheers all
    M


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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    Reposting in all FORUMS
    Erin Brockovich Warns Of 'The Biggest Black Eye On America'
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/01
    Environmental activist Erin Brockovich recently held a roundtable discussion at The Huffington Post's offices to address water contamination challenges, the upcoming documentary "Last Call At The Oasis," and her newest endeavor to combat health concerns around the world. "Last Call At The Oasis"
    (is she aware of Daiichi?)

    Contact Erin:
    http://www.brockovich.com/peoplesreportingregistrymap.html
    She says she READS EVERY EMAIL.


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  • It's getting weird folks ! ???

    Peru Biologist Warns Mass Dolphin Die-off Virus Could Mutate to Humans, Possibly Cause Worldwide Epidemic
    Mass Animal Death On Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:57
    http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/2085/650/

    Do they know something ??


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    • Is he blowing smoke ? The Gov. there issued a full scale investigation as to the cause of what is causing these deaths BUT there is only speculation from last I had heard !
      Could it be a cover for radiation as what I think is happening in the UK with the sheep/goat/and cattle stillborns and deformations, ? Lets see pigs there are not being affected ! They don't eat grass !
      Dolphins and pelicans eat anchovies and sardines, both are on migration paths from Fukushima !

      Could this be radiation causing deformed virus from weakened immune systems ??


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  • dosdos dosdos

    majia, I looked at the POTR video, and it looks sound in the way the test was run. It might have been better if there were four counters, three with water samples, two with alpha and beta filters so that each band could be identified. Odds are, it was mostly gamma in the rain. But what was done was sound in and of itself.

    On the issue of non-detects, let me add a little to balance the impression that all non-detects are dodges to hide information. There is no single test that can be run to identify an isotope. Some tests are quite simple to run, like Cesium 137. It's an active element, much like potassium, which it often mimics in the body. Both potassium and cesium can replace other elements in a chemical reaction quite easily and thoroughly. The reaction is quick and thorough. A little sample and a simple series of inexpensive tests, both chemical reaction and decay signature measurements, it's obvious. Others are not so simple or require more than a small sample to conduct the tests.

    As the isotope profile gets weaker in chemical activity, the harder it is to achieve identification in chemical tests. The catalysts, temperature/pressure state, etc. get more complex as the isotope profile loses activity levels. Reactions slow down, thoroughness of bond swapping is less complete, the tests get more difficult and require more of the substance to verify the source. Some of the isotopes cost a small fortune to positively identify.


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    • Thank you very much for your analysis Dosdos


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    • dosdos dosdos

      Some of the non-detects with weaker decay signatures and low activity levels need larger amounts than what is present to identify. His point in asking what the non-detection level is for some of those posting data is accurate, many don't know what the threshold figures are. And those are suspect. But if they can give you a threshold figure for each isotope given a N-D classification, then the non-detect might be given the benefit of the doubt, rather than casting a blanket fault on non-detection. And an accurate poster of data would show the level of the conglomerate unidentified radiation, once the obvious isotopes are identified.

      The biggest problem in pointing conclusively to Fukushima is identification of the isotopes in the rain. It takes more than just wind patterns. It takes ratios of isotopes, such as the ratio between cesium 137 and cesium 134. Cesium 134 has a much shorter half life than cesium 137. If they are 0resent in close to equal amounts, then it came from a very recent event. If the cesium 137 is 16 times more abundant than cesium 134, then you are looking at an event that happened roughly four half lives of cesium 134 ago (4 X 2 years = 8 years). Being able to identify the isotopes in a sample goes a long way of tying the radiation to the source.


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      • dosdos dosdos

        All in all, the video is on the right track. My biggest problem in the video is not making it clearer that not all scientists are the enemy. There are many anti-nuke scientists who should never be cast as a foe. One does not want to alienate some of the strongest anti-nuke allies with blanket anti-science statements. And I'm not saying that the video does this, what I'm suggesting is a little better clarification in the verbal monologue to clarify that there are good scientists.

        A good scientist uses deductive reasoning and never fully stops researching an issue. A bogus scientist uses inductive reasoning and stops researching when he feels his point has been supported by the models chosen to fit an argument.


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        • NoNukes NoNukes

          Thank you, dosdos, and thanks to all the fabulous and brave scientists out there.

          Your definition, "a bogus scientist uses inductive reasoning and stops researching when he feels his point has been supported by the models chosen to fit an argument," reminds me of lazy doctors who can't be bothered, but when I run into someone who "uses deductive reasoning and never fully stops researching an issue," it makes my heart sing!


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    • dosdos,
      I am so grateful for you brainiac's !

      : )


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  • … An American tourist who was spotted face-down and unconscious while swimming with dolphins off Picton died of cardiac arrest, a coroner has found.

    """Emily May Harper, 27,""" was declared dead after receiving close to 40 minutes of CPR on October 20, 2009.

    An inquest into her death was held in March and Coroner Christopher Devonport today released the findings.

    Harper, who was from Denver, Colorado, was visiting New Zealand with her fiance Matthew Hawkins, and his brother and mother. …

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6844586/Tourist-died-of-heart-attack-on-dolphin-swim


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  • CB CB

    Don't forget to TWEET, FB, etc!


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  • On Now* Rense Radio "Jeff Rense Program" here's the App, live feed for …

    http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/livefeeds/16k.asx


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  • mithious

    I'm NOT an expert, but ran across this as I was reading up. Has anyone heard of vitrification? OR VITRIFICATION OF RADIOACTIVE WASTE? Anyways, to make it brief and simple there is a way to make/blend chemicals to form glass that would encapsule, I guess you would call it, nuclear waste…and apparently t s aready being used and can be used to "melt" the waste where it lays ( for BULK ) purposes…thus making the waste unable to reach the air or water…sorta like you find an ancient flower encased in amber…magnetic vitrification was developed in Japan…and GE (general electric) is now using it in the US to enshrine, for lack of a better word, nuclear waste here…must be a way for engineers to develope this proccess, for this situation, and use to stop this catastrophy???? Food for Thought anyway :)


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    • Misitu

      I am not sure how long term safe this is. It would certainly do for a few years. One issue is that the radioactive stuff carries on decaying hence creating transient bubbles, vesicles, and densities that are capable of stressing the glassy matrix in which the stuff is embedded. In air this shows up as bits of dust, gas, and fluid coming off the surface; in a solid it could (my interpretation) cause cracks and propagation of same. But all the same it should be built into a plan with other factors: I'm not knocking it down, just counselling caution.

      From the point of view of the caretaker authorities it could be a big temptation to employ this technique, on its own, and leave future generations to retrieve the can kicked down the road.

      HTH
      M


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  • StillJill StillJill

    mithious,….thanks for that suggestion. We need all the ideas brainstormed like this!

    I think I recall some folks talking about that a few months into this,…last year. I don't recall the final take on it's plausibility here.

    I'm sure someone will know! :-)


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  • apostrophes

    As far as I know, it has generally been accepted that vitrification and geologic storage is the way to go, and possibly the only way to go. There is no particular difficulty. Vitrification plants exist, though perhaps not in industrial scale needed yet. Geologic storage in safe strata is possible, but just hasn't been made available yet. If they started now, the biosphere could be made safe in half a century by these techniques.


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