FORUM: General Discussion Thread (Nuclear Issues) for Apr. 2 -9, 2012

Published: March 30th, 2012 at 12:00 am ET


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Published: March 30th, 2012 at 12:00 am ET


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570 comments to FORUM: General Discussion Thread (Nuclear Issues) for Apr. 2 -9, 2012

  • jec jec

    No different than the Cadillac SUVs driven by the "aid" workers in Haiti or Africa…

  • CaptD CaptD

    Seen this Yet?
    Great info on the Quake no the Tsunami starting the meltdown…
    Posted by kid42day on ENENEWS
    April 9, 2012 at 1:52 pm · Reply
    Hello, everyone. Occasional poster, frequent lurker here. In light of the recent developments regarding SFP 4, I ask you all to please sign the following petition demanding that President Obama commission the Fukushima International Scientific Advisory Team, save Spent Fuel Pool #4, and stop Fukushima. It only takes a couple of minutes: you just need to register a WhiteHouse.Gov account using your name, email, and phone number. We need 25,000 signatures in the next 30 days in order to receive an official response from the Administration. Please, take a moment to sign the petition and share the link widely. The future depends on you.

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    Dental x-rays linked to brain tumors? What about Fukushima Radiation? WHEN WILL THEY EVER ADMIT DAIICHI WILL KILL MILLIONS WITH BRAIN TUMORS?

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    Just posted at Fukushima Watchdogs:
    Alex Sinsin
    I give my greetings and I apologize for using this space for an important appeal: I am working with various charities and volunteers to transfer as many children as possible from the area of the prefecture Fukushia, (nuclear plant) where there are only those who do not possess the means to find a different accommodation. In collaboration with the MAVI we are arranging to host them this summer is coming in Italy. I am a modest man and I can not do as much as I could but with your help we can give them hope and offer a future to each child. I want to apologize again for using this space and I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for your help.
    Save the Children in Fukushima! The project "holiday and recreation" in Italy.

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    Oh no! Fukushima horse track opens for first time since 3/11 earthquake | Tokyo Reporter

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    Repost from aigeezer 4 those that missed it:

    "For a quick glimpse into the power of the Nuclear+Other Energy Industries, click:

    Big Energy forces are in genuine competition with each other. For me one nightmare scenario is that they might all be on the same side, either now or in the future.

    Keep on reading that site – plenty more there to raise your eyebrows! The 21st century is upon us.


    I hope this guy is OK? You know we will never hear about it….

    Power Reactor Event Number: 47814
    Facility: SUSQUEHANNA
    Region: 1 State: PA
    Unit: [1] [2] [ ]
    RX Type: [1] GE-4,[2] GE-4
    NRC Notified By: DAVE WALSH
    HQ OPS Officer: VINCE KLCO Notification Date: 04/07/2012
    Notification Time: 15:27 [ET]
    Event Date: 04/07/2012
    Event Time: 13:54 [EDT]
    Last Update Date: 04/07/2012
    Emergency Class: NON EMERGENCY
    10 CFR Section:
    50.72(b)(3)(xii) – OFFSITE MEDICAL
    Person (Organization):

    Unit SCRAM Code RX CRIT Initial PWR Initial RX Mode Current PWR Current RX Mode
    1 N N 0 Refueling 0 Refueling
    2 N Y 100 Power Operation 100 Power Operation

    Event Text


    "On 04/07/2012 at 1354 [EDT], Susquehanna Steam Electric Station requested an offsite ambulance via the 911 system for medical assistance. The individual was in the radiologically controlled area and was treated as contaminated. An offsite ambulance arrived on site at 1413 hrs. and the ambulance departed the site at 1424 hrs. enroute to the Berwick Hospital.

    "This is considered a transport of a contaminated individual requiring an 8 hour ENS Notification per 10CFR50.72(b)(3)(xii)."

    Licensee health physic technicians accompanied the individual to the hospital.

    The licensee notified the NRC Resident Inspector and the Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency.

  • Choto

    The Fuel Pools of Fukushima: THE GREATEST SHORT-TERM THREAT TO HUMANITY by Washington's Blog.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      April 6, 2012 at 2:48 pm
      I hate it when they say "fuel rods" when they really mean "fuel assemblies." Per the pdf below from the Blue Ribbon Commission, there are 1,535 fuel assemblies in the #4 SFP. That's more than 145,000 fuel rods. Nearly 600,000 fuel rods in the 6,375 fuel assemblies in the common spent fuel pool.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      June 27, 2011 at 4:12 pm

      Sickputer: TEPCOs math was wrong for the totals of fuel assemblies on Page 9 in the PowerPoint! They only added ONE of the units for the Spent Fuel Ponds! The single unit value 3,450 times 6 units = 20,700!
      Add to that the dry cask and common pool numbers and you get the true total: 27,399 Spent Fuel Assemblies!
      27,399 times 63 rods= 1,726,137 individual fuel rods just in the storage ponds and dry cask!
      Add the 176,904 fissile fuel rods in the Nuclear Reactor Vessels and you get the grand total:
      1,903,041 fuel rods at Fukushima. That’s a lot of 12 foot nuclear rods any way you count them.

      • What-About-The-Kids

        Anne, you have an amazing mind and an amazing ability to pull up information that many of us would otherwise overlook or never see.

        Now the question is: Whose estimations are right? SickP or JoyB's?

        Anyway you look at it, there are a DISGUSTING number of fuel rods and assemblies in those pools. Anyone with a brain would be DISGUSTED and OUTRAGED that we have allowed our nations to engage in such irresponsible, reprehensible participation in the creation of these death machines & pools of death with NO accountability for the perpetrators of these lies.

        My mother always told me that before I could play with any more toys, I would need to CLEAN UP MY MESS I made. That is just plain common sense and the responsible thing to do.

        And yet, we allow these men with reptilian brains (to borrow a phrase from Dr. Helen Caldicott) to play unrestricted with their nuclear toys, creating MORE waste every day, while they still have no clue of what to do with the mess they've already left our planet, nor any clue of how to stop a runaway nuclear meltdown (or two, or three, or four….)?

        Doesn't ANYONE in power here have ANY brains??? Or is the nuclear mafia so ensconced that we are all under a terrible illusion of democracy?

        Our only consolation is that because these folks in charge really only care about money, it is the fact that the world economy is in trouble and the nuclear lie about "too cheap to meter" has been exposed, the monied interests are pulling out…

  • Sickputer

    A trolling commentator named calsurfer defends nuclear power plants by an old and false tactic: assert coal plants surpass nuclear plants for radiation releases:

    See the 12th comment under that article.

    SP: In the desperate attempt for a nuclear revival pre-Fukushima nuclear cabal word weasels used every possible avenue to deny competitors any room for advancement. They spread ridiculous lies about wind turbines killing tens of millions of birds (totally false) and then besmirch coal plants with wild claims about massive radiation releases. True, coal plants aren't clean and they do pollute with radioactive ash. But to say they produce more radioactive hazards to the public is a desperate nuclear industry hoax.

    Coal plants do not expode and contaminate hemispheres! You don't station a webcam on a coal mine or a coal plant for a year after it explodes! What sane person would equate a cosl plant with superior abilities to produce radioactive waste? Look at the 1,000 water tanks at Fukushima island and the untold billions of gallons of radioactive water unleashed into the Pacific. And you want me to believe a coal plant is worse?

    As for the assertion in the commentary… That statement about coal plants producing more radiation by Scientific American magazine is debunked here:

    SP: I applaud the…

  • Sickputer


    • Sickputer

      At that same URL.. a followup poster (Tim Bond) castigates the debunker:

      "This is just patently DUMB. Who cares whether spent nuclear fuel is more radioactive. What matters is what is expelled into the environment. You have to put yourself in a position to defend the likes of thorium spewing coal fired power plants to make this point, and all for what? Do you understand that for over 50 years we have been generating so-called “nuclear waste” and where are all the problems? The anti-nuclear lobbyists have worked to prevent it from being stored in a central depository, so the spent fuel remains on site in dry casks when the run out of room in the pools, and STILL no problems. You call it “waste” but none of you even account for the fact that over 92% of the energy originally found in it, remains to be used. So, if your own garbage had that much value, would you call it throw it out? The reality is that because of stringent NRC and EPA standards it’s far safer for someone to live near a nuclear power plant than to stand next to the granite statue in the U.S. Capital building, and far more safe than breathing the dirty fly ash which contains thorium and sulfur dioxide and all sorts of other nastys"

      SP: Comment made 2009. It is so poignant to time travel in Internet archives and see how things are drastically different today after the world's greatest industrial accident.

      Fukushima nuclear disaster he newstory to surpass all news stories before we are finished

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    In case you want to join us:

    The NUCLEAR dream is over
    What can I say?
    The dream is over
    I was the Dreamweaver
    But now I'm reborn
    I was the Walrus
    But now I'm John
    And so dear friends
    You'll just have to carry on
    The dream is over

    J. Lennon

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    Kevin Blanch's Birthday is today. He has Leukemia:

    "In November and December and January I would tell myself just make it to April 10 my favorite time of year I love spring in northern Utah, everyone dose , I would tell myself hang on hang on , I made it my goal was to make it to this day, and spring in Utah; as is most of the northern half of the globe a magnificent gift from mother earth, WE ALL SHOULD take some time and walk and just look at the birds and the animals and the flowers and, smell the soil, “ all the birds where singing so happily so joyfully they were playful watching me “ thank you to everyone for being my friend in my time of need and pain, there is another side to cancer; perspective of humans good and bad joy of the mother earth, it is crazy how it takes a brush with death to awake us . THE BEST THINGS IN LIFE ARE FREE. kevin d. blanch 4/10/12 the birds and their babies ,the smell of new growth ,the smiles on everyone’s faces, it is the human experience; the sun ,the earth, the animals, the birds, the flowers, the sky, ALL OF IT in symphony together, as it should always be, ALWAYS"

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      The best things in life ARE free. Sadly, the nuclear advocates and the nuclear industry have turned a blind eye and have ransomed all the free and goodness natural to this world out of love for money and power.

  • StillJill StillJill

    Happy Birthday Kevin! (I'm pretty sure you read ENENEWS regularly, Yes?)

    As a pancreatic/liver cancer sufferer,… have touched my 'inner spark' as no others can! The way you 'live like you were dying', is one of the most spiritual sagas I've yet to witness.
    You give me courage, kindle my fire, and make me feel like I'm with beloved family,…finally! In the arms of love to you my friend!

    God's richest blessings are already yours, Kevin.


    • Whoopie Whoopie

      Hugs to you SJ! Thanks for posting such a heartwarming comment!

    • What-About-The-Kids

      Big, warm {{{hugs}}} and many blessings to you, dear StillJill of Ark. Your loving, compassionate heart shines through in your posts and lights up our lives each day. Thank you for your fearless, yet loving contributions to this forum. You are SO needed here! Thank you, dear, sweet Jill.

      Ooodles of love and healing hugs to you… 🙂 xoxoxo

      • StillJill StillJill

        What-About-The-Kids,….I sometimes wonder,….about myself and what I'm 'doing'. I guess it's good to question.

        So, that brings me to your comment,…..I'm crying. ('Nuff said!)

        I love you Oooodles too, W-A-T-Ks!!! 🙂

        • What-About-The-Kids

          Awww…wonder no more, my friend! After seeing that outpouring of love and support yesterday for your "unbirthday," it is sooo clear how much we all love and appreciate you!!! S.W.A.K! Mwwaa!

  • StillJill StillJill

    You betcha Whoops,….I LOVE the man already!

    His mind and heart are one at last,….not at rest,…by any means,….but FULLY CONGRUENT! (That's TRUE FREEDOM!)

    And,… know me Whoopie,…..that brand of sincerity will always be sexy as hell to StillJillofark! 🙂

    • Whoopie Whoopie

      Have you left him a comment SJ? He listens. God I love him too!!

      • StillJill StillJill

        Sadly, No,….I have not (yet),…to be honest. But I will! I PROMISE!

        Love you for sharing Kevin with me (us)! 🙂

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    F 311 Watchdogs:
    NRC CONTINUOUS emmision limits for reactors. Click table 1, 2, 3 fo the biggest list of nasty elements you've ever seen! This explains why cancer rates stayed so high after the 50's/60's bomb test fallout, had somewhat declined.

  • Anthony Anthony

    Plutonium-238: Spacecraft fuel shortage may have been averted
    NASA officials have said there's enough of the isotope left to fuel space missions through around 2020.
    By Mike Wall, SPACE.comSun, Apr 08 2012 at 3:13 PM EST

  • weeman

    Would it not be nice if their was a comment and like button as in Facebook
    Then we would know how many people are listening

  • Jebus Jebus

    Early Dental X-Rays Linked to Brain Tumors

    Frequent dental X-rays, particularly in childhood, may be linked to an increased risk of the most common brain tumor in adulthood, say researchers who suggest minimizing the use of X-rays, especially among people without symptoms of tooth or gum problems.

  • Jebus Jebus

    Older article but important…

    Nuclear plant workers show higher cancer risks

  • Jebus Jebus

    Is there radioactive metal in your house, yard, or car?
    Very good article from '09

    Recycled radioactive metal contaminates consumer products

    Thousands of everyday products and materials containing radioactive metals are surfacing across the United States and around the world.

    Common kitchen cheese graters, reclining chairs, women's handbags and tableware manufactured with contaminated metals have been identified, some after having been in circulation for as long as a decade. So have fencing wire and fence posts, shovel blades, elevator buttons, airline parts and steel used in construction.

    and a muckity check of Scripps Howard News Service

    Click on Martin Anderson for enlightenment…

  • Jebus Jebus

    Full NRC San Onofre Press Conference @ youtube, featuring the Man!

    Jaczko Press Conference April 6th, 2012 Dana Point, California

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Greenland glacier melting faster than expected

    A key glacier in Greenland is melting faster than previously expected, according to findings by a team of academics, including Dr Edward Hanna from University of Sheffield. Dr Hanna, from the University of Sheffield's Department of Geography, was part of a team of researchers that also included Dr Sebastian Mernild from the Los Alamos Laboratory, USA, and Professor Niels Tvis Knudsen from the University of Aarhus, Denmark

  • CB CB

    I think reading this may help us to communicate this nightmare with
    How to introduce a story, and end it.

    48 Psychological Facts You Should Know About Yourself.

    I enjoyed #6,7,8,9 #11 #12 – hell the whole thing.

    Eyes Open… .. . by Taylor Swift

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    New Post @ F 311 Watchdogs (wish all you Enenewers were there!!)
    Good Night, and Good Luck!: Serious incidents in France and South Korea leave many questions:

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    Japan kept silent on Worst Nuclear disaster update April 10th
    If nothing else, I want to ALERT the Producers/Hosts of RTM what has been going on in Japan!! WAKE THE HELL UP!!

  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

    EneNewesers the love & support that exists here, the true empathy for those that are & will suffer is felt, not seen. And so when this song plays, look not into a mirror but into your heart, mind & soul & know that YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL.

    You're beautiful

  • I found in an obscure location today a CD 700 Radiation detector, Yellow box clean, with removalnle sensor/with/cord,
    8, C batteries power source !

    Will not detect radiation in food, Price was $49.00 !

    Is it worth it ?

  • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

    Say NO to new nuclear power plants. Progress is being made. They are balking at financing terms.

  • weeman

    Question of the day

    If sfp4 has a high probability of collapsing in the next 10 years ruff estimate of time to remove spent fuel,
    And they have put jacks under to support, so they can get near it, should they not be filling the void under the pool to further support,
    And if it needs further support to compensate for added weight their must be ways and means, use high density foam?

  • kongrufus kongrufus

    Hi all!

    I just found this and wanted to share in case no one else has found it – or something better.

    It is a poster-size 3D breakdown of the mark 1 BWR including key. Hope it's useful 🙂

  • weeman

    Are you kidding me on
    SPF do not require containment or back up pumps or battery back up
    If I owned a candle stick factory I would be required to comply to more stringent safety measures to satisfy government agencies.
    Don't tell me the nuclear industry is not regulated by EPA say it ain't so tell me