Published: March 30th, 2012 at 12:00 am ET
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Published: March 30th, 2012 at 12:00 am ET
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Superb energy research tool: http://www.carboncapturereport.org/
This site uses the supercomputing resources of the University of Illinois to analyze what people/media are saying about energy issues. This is a VERY big deal. Industry and governments routinely use this to help them decide what spin to put out. We should pay very close attention to this kind of thing, I think.
"At its core, the site acts as a global news monitoring service: compiling and reporting on trends in public perception and coverage of climate change and energy sectors around the world. Yet, in a field which generates tens of thousands of new news articles, blog posts, Tweets, YouTube videos, and other content each day, 365 days a year, a traditional news clipping service is simply overwhelming: no human can make sense of such a non-stop deluge of information."
For a quick glimpse into the power of this, click:
http://nuclear.carboncapturereport.org/cgi-bin/topic?
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aigeezer – good to see you! Regarding that site you posted: WOW – I'm lost in THE MAZE!
Incredible!!!
Interesting that they "judge" the "tone / polarity / activity…". I bet this is what all the spindoctors read 24/7.
Most excellent post. Thank you!
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This is the scariest thing I've seen in a while, aigeezer.
Leadership of the programme:
Kalev Leetaru, "has worked extensively with industry and government on understanding global information flows about their organizations and industries"
Hannes Leetaru "He has worked as a petroleum geologist with Getty Oil Company and Union Pacific Resources in Houston, Texas and has been involved in hydrocarbon exploration and development projects across the southern United States.
He lends to the Carbon Capture Report a uniquely extensive, historical, and applied experience in the energy industry in helping to interpret and contextualize the overarching patterns of public perception and industry organization."
Freaky. I wonder if we find Whoopie's tweets there in the "nuclear" section?
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Thanks, B&B. You "get it" for sure.
I take some encouragement in thinking that the various Big Energy forces are in genuine competition with each other. For me one nightmare scenario is that they might all be on the same side, either now or in the future.
Keep on reading that site – plenty more there to raise your eyebrows! The 21st century is upon us.
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Dude! You found the rabbit hole!!!!!
see my post below…
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OMG! WHAT A GOLD MINE!!!!!! THANK YOU aigeezer!
Are you a member of F311WATCHDOGS? If not, I'll post it PRONTO!
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,….and SO IT GOES aigeezer,…..you just helped the hand of 'the BIG picture'! Way cool to see 'how IT works'!
Freaky is right B&B!
Makes me wonder if I've ever had an original thought!
How 'controlled' are we? (Don't answer that,….I fear that I already know the answer!)
Where's the sand pile? I wanna go bury my head for a spell. On second thought,…."Out from under the ether", Jill
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too many nukers in that sand pile already, eyes open.
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Hi Whoopie. No, I know you've mentioned F311 Watchdogs before but I've never pursued it. Got a link?
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Oh I wish you ALL were members! I'm very new to it. Paul Langley got me a membership. Maybe someone else can tell you how it works. I really dont know.
http://www.facebook.com/groups/fukushima311watchdogs/
In the meantime, I'll post what you found!!
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I got it posted. This is gonna blow their every loving minds!! I said:
"Look at what aigeezer @ Enenews just found!"
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You're a star Whoopie.
You really are.
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Hey I just checked my email and I got approved at Occupy Wallstreet TOO! SO I POSTED IT THERE ALSO!
WHAT A TOOL ALGEEZER! We Anti-Nukes have a "hand up" too NOW!
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Fantastic find! University of Illinois is my alma mater and they have one of the top 5 computer engineering programs in the US. Go Illini! They get big bucks from many corporations to fund their research. I knew they were into data mining in a big way but this is simply amazing! They have super Cray computers and can mine all sorts of data. Bet they have some military contracts too.
Another University with government contracts for data mining is Arizona State University. If you browsed some of the faculty's curriculum vitae's posted online you would would find some interesting and useful research findings in their peer reviewed research papers.
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12 reasons why all nuclear power plants must be shut down; via A Green Road Blog http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/12-reasons-why-all-nuclear-power-plants.html
Super Solar Storm To Hit Earth In 2013 'Carrington Effect'; Year Long Power Outage? via A Green Road Blog http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/super-solar-storm-predicted-to-hit-2013.html
Fukushima Reactor 4; Life Extinction Event If It Collapses; via A Green Road Blog
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/fukushima-reactor-4-life-extinction.html
Remote Viewers Predict HUGE SOLAR STORM COMING
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/remote-viewers-predict-huge-solar-storm.html
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Nice bit of info aigeezer!
If you look at Profile Databases
Then PersonDB
You see that Fukushima Daiichi is only trumped by Obama.
Oops!, I just caused 2 more entries to the count!
This is awesome that it is exposed to us.
I can utilize this page on my HA server.
Daily status updates!
The possibilities are endless!
Thanks again aigeezer, for this nugget!
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Is nuclear power industry poised to repeat 'managerial disaster'?
http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/energy/is-nuclear-power-industry-poised-to-repeat-managerial-disaster/1224045
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@Arclight
http://maps.google.com/?q=http://nuclear.carboncapturereport.org/cgi-bin//dailyreport_kml%3FDATE=2012-04-07%26r=545603520.884462%26pt=1%26type=2&z=2
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Too cheap to meter! Hahahahahah!
TVA Releases Cost, Schedule Estimates for Watts Bar Nuclear Unit 2 – $2B and 3 years needed…
http://www.nucpros.com/content/tva-releases-cost-schedule-estimates-watts-bar-nuclear-unit-2-2b-and-3-years-needed
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@Admin
http://nuclear.carboncapturereport.org/cgi-bin//profiler?key=Enenews_Com&pt=4
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Shocking. Thanks to aigeezer now we know what they know. That's good.
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Nice..social engineering stats…
Any one know who is produces this report?
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http://nuclear.carboncapturereport.org/about.html
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First post on this page, Heart! Aigeezer!!
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I see..at the bottom..Univ. of Illinois..
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PS..I gotta get right group.. so I can call them out for being the snoopy barsteeds..they are.
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Please! No! No! They are doin a transparent service that no one else does.
This is just what we are able to see.
There are other entities that take this to a another level!
We need this open, it is an Easter gift from above!
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Hi Heart. I'm not sure of the sense in which you ask "who". At a literal level, the reports are all automated, it seems.
"© 2005-2011 The Carbon Capture Report. A service of the University of Illinois. All results are generated by computer and no guarantees of any kind are provided regarding accuracy or completeness."
The key players are:
http://www.carboncapturereport.org/about-leadership.html
One of the two has an Oil Biz background, the other has a heavy media/computing/data mining type of background. It's hard to know whether that generates any particular bias – they appear to be just gathering massive data and distilling it as an academic project.
"The Carbon Capture Report (http://www.carboncapturereport.org/) is a free and open service of the University of Illinois devoted to being the preeminent global resource for tracking worldwide perception and developments in Climate Change, Carbon Capture, Carbon Credits, Alternative Energy, Renewable Energy, Green Energy, Biofuels, Geothermal, Hydroelectric, Natural Gas, Nuclear, Solar, Wind, Coal, and Oil. With subscribers in more than 100 countries the Report has become the go-to resource for daily insight into the global media discourse."
I imagine their newsletters will reveal biases, if any, over time. "Tracking perception" and "tracking developments" are very different enterprises, as you know.
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Ok…just putting names to faces..I'll get over that old being tracked feeling….off to pant in the tall grass.
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Oyster Creek to be Included in Pilot Cancer Study
http://brick.patch.com/articles/oyster-creek-to-be-included-in-pilot-cancer-study-46b2e4f0
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Good news! Though it's a bit odd that it's funded by the NRC?
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This is one example of what nuclear does to life, land, and people's livelyhoods after an incident.
This incident happened in the 70's and still affects peoples well being to this day!
Scots laird facing ruin after Dounreay nuclear blast
Here is the last line of the story!
A spokesman for the DECC said: “This is a matter for the parties to resolve. It would not be appropriate for the Government to become directly involved.”
WTF???
http://www.scotsman.com/news/scots-laird-facing-ruin-after-dounreay-nuclear-blast-1-2222849
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I wonder why this is not in US print? Well, not really!
I hope the shareholders convince GE to get out of the Nuke Business!
General Electric Stockholders to urge national dialogue about risks of nuclear power at Annual Meeting, April 25 in Detroit
By: Beyond Nuclear
A "Resolution Urging General Electric to Withdraw from Nuclear Energy" will be on the agenda at the GE Annual Meeting on April 25 at downtown Detroit's Renaissance Center. It was submitted by the GE Stockholders' Alliance (GESA), based in Tucson, Arizona.
http://yubanet.com/usa/General-Electric-Stockholders-to-urge-national-dialogue-about-risks-of-nuclear-power-at-Annual-Meeting-April-25-in-Detroit.php
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And this goes with the above!
It's all about the money and hedging your bet!
General Electric (GE) Options: Unusual Trading Activity
"These trades are just simple put purchases, where option traders believe the stock is going to decline in value. In addition, by buying these options without any others to go along with them, option traders have unlimited gain potential."
http://www.optionstradingresearch.com/general-electric-options/
(note: site try's to hide the popup close button)
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Well a quick check shows F311Watchdogs must have kinda missed my post. http://nuclear.carboncapturereport.org/cgi-bin/topic?
That's ok. I'll repost it again tomorrow. Sometimes Posts do go by not noticed. So much BAD news, dont ya know. I think i'll send it to my contacts. That'll cover some of you guys and others. Thanks again aigeezer! HOPPY EASTER!
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3.7 near nuclear facility ..Spain
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/index.php?pageid=seism_index&rid=238902
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I'm not sure people realize..this is the air quality over Fukushima day after day…
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/%E5%B8%8C%E6%9C%9B%E3%81%AE%E7%89%A7%E5%A0%B4-%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%96%E3%82%AB%E3%83%A1%E3%83%A9-%E5%8F%B7%E6%A9%9F
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EQ watch ~ http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/rt_plots/xray_1m.html
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Can someone with credentials tell me please no laymen
A/ does Fukushima alone have the potential to wipe out all live on earth if sfp4 collapses and we lose control off all reactors
B/ 85 times more than chernobyl how much is that compared to when they did atomic testing above ground I believe it was very high can you enlighten me here
C/ can you explain to me why Any respected engineer would put a spent fuel pool next to a nuclear reactor with no containment this is insane or does Murphy's law not apply to nuclear industry
D/ should we not make it a priority to remove all spent fuel rod off site from all nuclear facilities so or their is accident it does not compound the problem
E/ why is every nation in the world not evolved with this accident it affects us all and that should supersede national interests as far a I can understand it is out of the capabilities of mankind and it will take all off mankind to solve this dilemma if possible
F/ to solve this problem we must think out off the box
how do we get these reactors to absolute zero that is the only way to stop the chain reaction that I can think off
My services don't come cheap but I help out when I can
Thanks In advance the wee man please only professional response let get information from the source
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weeman ,
InfoPest
April 8, 2012 at 3:02 pm · Reply
UC Berkeley Website Has AntiNuke Story On Their Website.
Nuclear Expert: Fukushima spent fuel has 85 times more cesium than released at Chernobyl — “It would destroy the world environment and our civilization… an issue of human survival” -Former UN adviser
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/forum/218/nuclear-expert-fukushima-spent-fuel-has-85-times-more-cesium-released-chernobyl-%E2%80%94-%E2%80%9Cit-woul
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@ weeman
"F/ to solve this problem we must think out off the box
how do we get these reactors to absolute zero that is the only way to stop the chain reaction that I can think off"
inform people! and most certainly think out of the box!
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@Arclight, Xdrfox…
Hey!, Did either one of you two show your credentials?
I was gonna answer weeman, but I didn't think my forklift certification was enough!
@weeman,
A/ No one knows the answer to that, not even the "experts"
Very possible that at least the nation of Japan and the land it sits on will be finished. That is the… ahem… "best" scenario if SFP#4 collapses.
B/ I think all three events are comparativly apples and oranges. Nuclear weapons use very little fissile material, kilograms, but there were alot of above ground tests, and nuke weapons vaporize a large percentage of their material. It's legacy lives on to this day.
Chernobyl was a friggin "dirty bomb" that contaminated a large portion of Europe with one blast and was "contained" in a matter of months. It's legacy lives on today also.
Fukushima, was/is 2 full nuclear meltdowns, 1 100 ton ejection of the core into the environment, 1 missing SFP#3, and 1 SFP#4 that partially burned, dangling on the edge of time. And More.
So in answer to B/ YES it is the worst, most insidious, evil, deadly disaster in the history of Man.
C/ Hubris.
D/ Yes, yesterday in fact…
E/ Because it would cause panic and their "precious" money train would no longer stop at their station.
F/ Yes exactly, A global unilateral effort should have been mobilized long ago, but that would have entailed the same result as E/
I apologize if my credentials are not worthy of these answers…
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but I didn't think my forklift certification was enough!
im ok for light agricultural if that helps???
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Great Arc, your booked to come over and mow my lawn next weekend!
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unforunately i am not trained in hazardous materials!
tested the lawn recently?
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Cough, Cough, Hack, hack, no, It's fine I just mowed and Cough, Cough it didn't bother, Cough, me.
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Jebus,
I posted a article that was a person with credentials for him, there are many accredited people on these pages, one needs to take the time to look for them on this site !
We can reflect our learn experience from these people and concur as to what we believe to be the facts/truth !
If he is waiting for someone to answer there are some that come here with great knowledge in these fields but not to hold your breath,… but with all the rads floating around,.. hummm, the future of the world is bleak at best for now and getting worse each day so…. rake what you want and leave the rest !
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Right,…..my lowly AA degree didn't warrant my comments either, certainly!
No,…weeman wants the 'sheep-skin'! That's good,….sheeple NEED sheep-skins,…afterall!
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Weeman -
Other than the poster who pointed to a story on the BRAWN website that was actually posted earlier on ENENEWS at http://enenews.com/nuclear-expert-fukushima-spent-fuel-85-times-cesium-released-chernobyl-destroy-world-environment-civilization-issue-human-survival-former-adviser,
the response your questions is very disappointing, imho. A skeptic might even wonder if your post got buried by some with a hidden agenda. While one should not criticize a free resource too harshly, a "sticky" and a "search" feature would help us all find out if our questions have already been answered here. I would like to see some of the "experts" here step up and address your serious questions with the attention they deserve.
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The supposed experts either do not have a full grasp on their field and/or are lying for the industry.
If this would not be so..then people would not ask ..how this is to be repaired..NO FIX..NO FIX..No FIX!
Game over.
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Never give up it is not in human nature and I will not go down without a fight the Scottish in me
I have the means and I will over come no matter what circumstances I am the wee man no surrender
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It is not a matter of giving up..it is a realistic conclusion.
NO FIX..known to technology of humans at this time.
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Please do not be such a pessimist it does not help are you trying to tell me you have given up and suicide is a practical solution
Their are many bright people out their and if we put their collective ideas into practice their is a least a very good chance to solve
Their is always Antarctica we can build ice tunnels to shield us from radiation
We put man on the moon, get reactors to absulote zero laws of physics do not apply will stop chain reaction
See their are solutions we just have to over come obsticals in our path, trying to give you hope never give up brave heart
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Don't put words in my mouth..weeman
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I'm open to all ideas of repair..doesn't mean they will stay on the table long…
What?
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Plan Nine: "a "search" feature would help us". It is in the middle right area of your screen, juat above "latest headlines".
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#Fukushima: Jaczko Press Conference April 6th, 2012 Dana Point, California: http://youtu.be/6asXnptivn4 via @youtube
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Thinking out of the box
How do we remove spent fuel rod
If water shields radiation I surmise that ice also sheids radiation
I know the spent fuel rods give off heat but is their no way to freeze the fuel bundles in pool and remove
We have got to start some were any body got any bright ideas if we leave it to telco we are doomed
They are not fit to run clean up at least a conflict of intrest exists
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weeman,
They caught fire several times that are known of, If the have melted/fused together, how dose one lift a mass of 560 tonnes of radioactive fuel to transport to another facility ?
It's true the crane for moving the rod were destroyed in the blast but we can see that they have cleared away much of the surface debris and have been working over the area, … with the cranes available to them if moving the rods were possible, seems that would have been done, if as said in reports that water levels fell causing the pool to ignite, then water would have left the entire pool, exposing all of the rods, so all would have become hot enough to fuse, the longest in the pool would have not become as hot possible for the average stay in a pool for cooling before dry storage can be achieved is 5 to 8 years !
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How does someone freeze a mass block of 560 tonnes !
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Sorry wdrfox pressed wrong button not intentional sorry
If we could achieve absulote zero the melted fuel rods would become brittle and could be easly broken into more manageable sizes
I know this is far fetched but as far as I can see and read about I am the first to give you a solution to this problem far fetched or not weather or not it is possible that is the question.
But it would stop chain reaction
I challenge everyone out their to come up with other solutions keep it within reality
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"Absolute zero" is not possible in the open air on this planet. But don't worry. The assemblies in the pools are already "easily breakable into more manageable sizes." If they aren't already broken into more manageable sizes. What they can't do is transfer them underwater into casks for transport.
To your original questions -
A) No, Fukushima Daiichi's allotment of active and spent fuel is not enough to wipe out all life on earth. And not all of it will be released. If SFP 4 burns there will be a large increase in death rates overall, shorter-lived species of amphibians, reptiles and mammals in the northern hemisphere may be threatened with extinction. Sea life will be further endangered, particularly at the top end (bioaccumulation). Big predators may go extinct. Humans will display shortened life expectancy, increased infant mortality, increased deformities and mental compromise at birth. Cancer will become pretty much universal unless people die of something else first.
Humans are numerous enough to survive until and unless all humans either 1) become sterile, or 2) die before reproductive age. Fukushima's not enough for that. Polar bears, on the other hand, are not so numerous and are already severely stressed from lack of ice. Eating grossly contaminated seals won't help them a bit. Wasting disease in wild ruminants will take a large toll, we may lose many species we wish would not be lost.
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Dear joyb
If we could achieve absulote zero would that stop fission yes no
If yes is it not a avenue we should consider, we put man on moon why not try, we can achieve in lab ab zero
It is beyond humane capabilities at the moment to control got to start somewhere
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Liquid nitrogen is as cold as we can get for industrial uses (liquid helium is way expensive, liquid hydrogen wouldn't solve the hydrogen problem). But simple thermodynamics would prevent liquid nitrogen from remaining liquid in atmospheric temperature/pressures. Even if you could encase a fuel assembly in liquid nitrogen and somehow turned that into nitrogen ice, the isotopes in the fuel rods on the inside of the assembly would still decay and emit enough heat to boil water, burn the zirc if there is no water, and melt.
Laws of physics dictate the limited ability to control nuclear reactions. The situation at Daiichi illustrates some of those limits quite well.
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B) During the height of atmospheric bomb testing there were mud puddles after rain in many parts of the world emitting 10R [100 mSv] per hour. Childhood leukemia rates skyrocketed and 'cluster cancers' that struck whole regions were common through the 1960s, and lifetime cancer rates today remain 1 in 3 in most industrialized countries, Fukushima is expected to raise it close to 1 in 2. If they allow SFP4 to drop and/or burn, it will go perhaps to 2 in 3 in Japan, 1 in 2 for the rest of us (or higher). Since cancer these days is not universally fatal, humans will survive.
C) Nukes are certifiable idiot-savants. More idiot-idiot on the engineering end. SFPs were placed next to reactors because fuel transfer must occur in flooded conditions. GE put theirs up on the 5th floor because that made transfer easier. No SFPs for any kind of reactor are hardened or contained, and regulators do not require emergency power to keep circulation pumps going in the event of station black-out.
D) They will never require spent fuel removal and isolation until there is a place to put it. For 50+ years we have been assured by the idiot-savants that they'd think of something someday, but so far nothing has materialized except for a few regional short-term repositories. Most plants are licensed to store spent fuel casks on-site because nobody wants it on highways and railways, or buried in their neighborhood. With good reason, I might add.
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E) Japan is an insular nation, there are diplomatic issues, and the world nuclear industry is still hoping to secure a couple trillion bucks from their pet governments to stage a "renaissance" to nuke us some more, for as far into the future as anyone can see. Besides, the industry everywhere – including Japan – is highly secretive, part of the 'National Security' protectorate, and no nuke wants to admit they've blown it big time. France tried to help, NRC tried to help, GE tried to help (there were more than 40 GE engineers on-site at Daiichi when the tsunami hit). They've all gone home as TEPCO closed shop to "outsiders" that aren't in its trusted Yakuza. Who are mostly babysitting.
F) There are no sustained chain reactions occurring at Daiichi right now (at least, in reactors/fuel pools 1-4). The coriums and fissile isotopes in the spent fuel are still spontaneously fissioning and there are occasional 'flash' events when water happens to hit a new corium surface, but the heat in those and in the spent fuel is primarily from decay. That is plenty hot enough to keep things molten/easily capable of boiling water to steam. And release lots of nasty isotopes to the ocean and atmosphere. Short-lived fission products are minimal at present, if your neighborhood nuke isn't dumping and conveniently blaming Fukushima. There's been quite a bit of that, because they've all got some to dump if they think they can get away with it.
No, the water in the SFPs cannot…
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…be frozen. If they could 'pull' the #4 pool straight down they could perhaps quickly bury it in boron sand and borated concrete. They could perhaps implode the containments on top of the corium blow-holes as well, then bring down and bury the entire unit. Eventually do a Chernobyl-like 'mausoleum' over them that might last 50-100 years. That would prevent further big atmospheric releases, but it wouldn't prevent corium contacting groundwater and sending out steam geysers to the air, or making its way to the ocean.
Unit 4's spent fuel pool is the biggest danger right now. Unit 3's is MIA, units 1 and 2 appear to be somewhat stable. The corium flows are long gone from the containments, now fairly well shielded by earth. Liquid nitrogen has not been very useful in stopping further melting, but has kept hydrogen levels down.
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Good Morning Joy…..
Well, that's that then.
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Heh. I honestly do think they could 'pull', implode and bury these units one by one (starting with the most immediately pressing) if they'd allow – or maybe force – the worldwide nuclear industry and their governments to supply the means and muscle. They could line up plenty of remote control equipment if they had to, and plenty of boron, sand and concrete. They've already got one Putzmeister on site.
But I do not see that happening. Instead, we get more wasted water, more leaky storage tanks, more leaky hoses, and no real attempts to deal with the problems (notice they only built one tent). TEPCO doesn't have enough money to do it on its own, the entire country doesn't have enough money to see this through. There may not be enough money in the entire world, but since we humans invented money in the first place, all we really need is the will, the skills, the means and the effort. It will take everybody working together.
TEPCO has no real reason to do anything serious about Daiichi. If need be it'll just go bankrupt and disappear. They're playing the "dilution is the solution to pollution" game now, figuring it'll all get out eventually. They need to be removed, LAST year.
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JoyB -
Thanks from me as well, for your thoughtful reply to Weeman's questions. If you have the time and desire, I would appreciate your take on the story below, along with my comments to it. http://enenews.com/kyodo-u-s-eyed-blasting-hole-in-fukushima-reactor-shows-how-alarmed-govt-was-about-cooling-failure/comment-page-1
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Dear joyb
I can not thank you enough for answering my questions, you are good please keep all of us up to speed on matters, love to hear any ideas you have for solution or containment
I refuse to let sleeping dogs lie
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Shizuoka hotels shun TEPCO in protest over rate hike
"Dozens of hotels and ryokan in Shizuoka Prefecture have decided to scrap their automatic payment contracts with Tokyo Electric Power Co. to protest sharp increases in utility charges.
The Shizuoka Prefecture ryokan hotel association, which has 509 members, met April 3 to consider TEPCO’s average 17-percent rate increase for businesses that took effect April 1.
Association members operating east of the Fujikawa river, a TEPCO service area, decided to terminate the contract en masse and announced their decision April 7.
The association said many members objected to accepting the increase without protest.
"The rate increase directly hits our business. I cannot tolerate it as I don't see TEPCO itself making any effort," said an association member who operates a Japanese-style ryokan hotel.
TEPCO will offer further explanations to seek understanding for the increase, said an official at the utility's Numazu branch.
The hotel association said it is up to each member to decide whether to pay the higher bills.
TEPCO raised its rates to help it pay for damage caused by the disaster at its Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant.
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201204090039
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South Asia and nuclear safety conference
April 09, 2012
The second Nuclear Safety Summit held in Seoul during March 26-27, 2012, is a sequel to the first such conclave held during 2010 in Washington, which was a ground breaking effort to help implement preventive agenda precluding nuclear-related terrorism. The conceptual framework of the Summit sought to raise the issue of nuclear safety and security and place it on the agenda of global leaders by cutting through the red tape created by bureaucracies that generally tend to be out of step with the urgency imposed by the poignancy of the real and present threat.
According to the Princeton, the New Jersey based international panel on fissile materials, at least two million kilograms of weapons grade nuclear material is stockpiled and any pilferage, however small, can prove disastrous. Even lower level radioactive materials used for a host of medical engineering and agricultural application equipment, once placed in wrong hands can be used in crippling acts of terrorism. The objective of this US-led high-level initiative essentially remains establishing a consensus towards the need for enforcing measures for nuclear security and raising awareness to thwart the threat posed by the spectre of nuclear terrorism; particularly, the threat of ‘dirty bombs’ – a crude device which uses small quantities of radioactive material and is rather simple to fabricate. The forum provides a platform for …
http://www.nation.com…
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http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/columns/09-Apr-2012/south-asia-and-nuclear-safety-conference
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"particularly, the threat of ‘dirty bombs’"
"EYES ROLL !"
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If I may paraphrase:
Theoretical Terrorist Dirty Bomb Threat = Create global police state and cavity search everyone daily.
Actual Year+ Capitalist Dirty Bomb aka Fukushima = Nothing to worry about, no adverse consequences for humanity, now go buy something.
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[/face-palm for laughing out loud] +1000
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Study: EPA-approved GMO insecticide responsible for killing off bees, contaminating entire food chain – http://www.infowars.com/study-epa-approved-gmo-insecticide-responsible-for-killing-off-bees-contaminating-entire-food-chain/
Mother F**kers!!
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Mass Honeybee Deaths Linked To Corn Insecticides, manufacturer Monsanto Co.
To Mass Animal Death on Saturday, March 17, 2012
http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/1905/675/Mass_Honeybee_Deaths_Linked_To_Corn_Insecticides,_manufacturer_Monsanto_Co..html
Bee Colony collapse has arrived in New Zealand
To Mass Animal Death on Friday, May 06, 2011
http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/617/489/Bee_Colony_collapse_has_arrived_in_New_Zealand.html
Mass honeybee deaths now occurring worldwide : UN
To Mass Animal Death on Wednesday, March 23, 2011
http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/502/540/Mass_honeybee_deaths_now_occurring_worldwide_:_UN.html
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Thanks Doc. 2 things you kill off and WE'RE ALL DEAD.
The Ocean and the Bees.
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Whoopie,
How can so many not see the problem we are sitting in the mist of ?
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APRIL 09, 2012
bearing in mind that chernobyl caused the collapse of the soviet union…,
http://subrealism.blogspot.fr/2012/04/bearing-in-mind-that-chernobyl-caused.html
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Morning you two…."How can so many not see the problem we are sitting in the midst of?"
-> Monsanto Threatens to Sue Vermont Over GMO Labeling Bill
http://truth-out.org/news/item/8398-monsanto-threatens-to-sue-vermont-over-gmo-labeling-bill
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WHAT THE HELL!? FOOD FIGHT…literally.
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Hmmm… the U.S. Supreme Court tells us that corporations are people, but MORE 'equal' that real people. And our entire criminal justice system is busy being turned over to corporations building corporate jails they pay judges and prosecutors to keep full at all times. Shouldn't we also have corporate prisons for corporate 'persons'? Then we could send Monsanto off for good, basic crimes against humanity.
[Meh. I'll believe corporations are 'people' when I see a Texas governor execute one.]
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April 9, 2012 The Fuel Pools of Fukushima:
THE GREATEST SHORT-TERM THREAT TO HUMANITY
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=WAS20120409&articleId=30207&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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OT We should watch this and see what comments come through, eh?
4/9 99th Carnival of Nuclear Energy Bloggers
http://neinuclearnotes.blogspot.com/2012/04/99th-carnival-of-nuclear-energy.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Got to know Satin in ORDER TO FIGHT HIM.
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Thanks for this link Whoopie..Carnival is right…TEPCO has provided the tent..the clowns have taked their places..the audience continues to shuffle their chairs.
The clowns are busy distracting from the center ring..where Corium…is giving a disruptive performance.
Drunk and in a foul mood….methinks.
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2 words: M F ers.
Heart, look at this shit!! THIS is what we're up against?!? Oh the humanity! Talk about Blind Sheeple!
http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2012/04/07/scientists-puzzled-to-why-alaska-polar-bears-are-losing-their-fur/#comments
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I'm not even gonna waste my energy. There are new comments there because Tweeters have been tweeting the link.
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I take that back. There is one great comment there jssbastiat who left this link: Following is a list of nuclear accidents Japan has gone through since 1990s! http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-03/12/c_13775056.htm
Did you know Japan had that many ACCIDENTS? I didn't.
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Radioactive mud falling from the sky? Yellow mud appears on cars after rain in Hokkaido:
http://twitter.com/#!/aiichigen/status/189213009317593089/photo/1
http://twitter.com/#!/aiichigen/status/189217840417615873/photo/1
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Hi Bobby, could it be rain mixed with (radioactive?) pollen? Just a thought!
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Thanks Bobby1,…that is what my car looked like late last April and early May!
Radioactive pollen is and was my guess too B&B.
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Bobby1,
Not good, This is in the North too !?
There must be something happening at the reactors/FP's we are not being told if these are recent photo's ! 9 Apr
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokkaido
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Something has gotten to happen to the dirt the corium is displacing in 3 China syndromes… I wonder if this is related to the black substance that is appearing further south.
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Bobby1,
Yes the steam may be mixing with dirt mud particles as it makes it's way to the surface and becoming airborne with it in it, condensing and coming down with the rain, much is being put into the air from these reactors and pools !
The black stuff from beginning I believe is related to Pu offed
daughters of ! Just my thoughts !
http://dhss.delaware.gov/dph/files/radplutomed.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_effects_from_Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_effects_from_Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster#Plutonium_isotopes
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Radioactive Dust-particles
On 31 October 2011 a scientist of the Worcester Polytechnic Institute Marco Kaltofen presented his findings on the releases of radioactive isotopes from the Fukushima accidents at the annual meeting of the American Public Health Association (APHA). Airborne dust contaminated with radioactive particles was released from the reactors into the air. This dust was found in Japanese car filters: they contained cesium-134 and cesium-137, and cobalt at levels as high as 3 nCi total activity per sample. Materials collected during April 2011 from Japan also contained Iodine 131. Soils and settled dusts were collected from outdoor and inside homes, and also from used children's shoes. High levels of cesium were found at the shoelaces. US air filter and dusts samples did not contain hot particles, except …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_effects_from_Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster#Plutonium_isotopes
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Bobby1,
Could it be the ashes of 410 sites of waste disposal facilities burning waist ?
Disposal of radioactive ash
Due to objections of concerned residents it became more and more difficult to dispose of the ashes of burned household garbage in and around Tokyo. The ashes of waste facilities in the Tohoku, Kanto and Kōshin'etsu regions were proven to be contaminated with radioactive caesium. According to the guidelines of the Ministry of Environment, ashes with 8,000 becquerels per kilogram or lower, could be buried. Ashes with caesium levels between 8,000 and 100,000 becquerels should be secured, and buried in concrete vessels. A survey was done on 410 sites of waste disposal facilities, on how the ash disposal is proceeding. At 22 sites, …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_effects_from_Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster#Plutonium_isotopes
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xdrfox, yeah it could be ash or pollen. The ashes concentrate in plumes like radionuclides do generally. Somebody will get dumped on from all the incinerators… I thought there were 16,000 of them in Japan.
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Concern for increasing radiation rates…
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2012/04/science-council-of-japan-250.html
Little do they realize…that with the situation is on going..the exposure rate will increase with or without decontamination.
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"decontamination"
REALLY ?
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Decontamination…It keeps the populace occupied..it makes money for private contracting..and it will go indefinitely.
It's the dog chasing it's own tail…
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Sota Like the boogie men our Gov. keeps finding to war with spending 66% of our tax dollars !
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ooohh, oooo, ooooo, I so scared… keep stealing our money to fight a few illiterate people in a foreign country who do not know how to read, write or spell.
Yea, meanwhile, the US Treasury had to buy 61% of all US Bonds issued this last time around, because there were 'no buyers'.
We are an imperialist invader, financing war around the globe, 1,000 military bases worldwide, by borrowing money from Communist China.
We are paying off minimum charges on our credit card, by getting cash advances on another credit card.
Oh yea, party on.. no bid contracts, fat sweetheart deals, Billions of $$ unaccounted for, and war profiteering to the hilt.
Is the last gasp of the military industrial corporate empire?
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Perhaps a repost:
Japan kept 10 trillion becquerel per hour calculations secret for over a year
http://enformable.com/2012/04/japan-kept-10-trillion-becquerel-per-hour-calculations-secret-for-over-a-year/
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Yes and while the NRC may have needed a full week before Tepco gave them better access to insider information, I am sure the US military got enough data from the radiation plume that hit the USS Ronald Reagan to make a fairly close estimate of the magnitude.
Certainly enough to help hasten Obama's 51-vehicle entourage of bureaucrats, family, and friends to leave early for Brazil.. just in time to escape the first global orbit of the massive fallout from the three reactor units explosions. Oh well, they couldn't stay in Rio forever so they just got a momentary reprieve from sucking in fallout.
Radiation does not discriminate between its victims.
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Fukushima SFP #4 another Pearl Harbor?
http://readersupportednews.org//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10847
A rewrite of what I posted a number of places yesterday!
Enjoy, the rewrite, not the implications!
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No, it's not another Pearl Harbor. This is a result of GE fudging all the safety requirements, in cooperation with their customer.
It's more like treason. What happens when a US domestic company is responsible for the complete elimination of the bulk of every living organism on this planet?
Nothing, apparently.
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I don't believe that GE had anything to do with this overhaul…
It is more like a company builds airplane that was state of the art 40 years ago and now the current owner gets it souped up but without asking the original manufacturer or the FAA if it is OK… You can't blame that on the original manufacturer IMO…
The Utility should be held responsible, fined and their shareholders made to suffer by having their stock values decline; this should not be dumped upon the CA ratepayers!
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Prime directive to mankind stop neaclear reaction at Fukushima ,
we call on all the greatest brains in the world to solve this problem stop all current projects and concentrate on Fukushima the future of life on this plant is at risk
How to stop a neaclear reaction not possible at present time
Let think at absulote zero the laws of physics change and atoms stop moving their for no chain reaction
How do we achieve this,
at that temp melted rods will become brittle and may shatter easly to more manageable size
If we can put man on the moon, but it will take the best to achieve PhDs by the thousands required sign here
Let me here from all you smart people with other ideas, it will take a collective to solve
Arclight I pressed wrong button sorry not intentional
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Good Comment
Solar (of all flavors) is ready for Prime Time…
Benefits of Solar (of all flavors):
✔ Less costly to build
✔ ZERO RISK OF A MELTDOWN
✔ No Trillion Dollar Eco-Disasters
✔ Faster to construct
✔ CLEAN from start to finsh.
✔ No radiation worries or leaks
✔ No foreign dependency
✔ Prices dropping yearly
✔ Creates green jobs
✔ No nuclear cleanup expenses
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Japan is in the ring of fire close to plate boundaries perfect location for geo thermal power generation.
The cost of nuclear power plant if you include decommission must be 10 to 15 billion more
I am no scientist but I guarantee if you gave me that kind of money even I could give you several geo thermal power plants equivalent to one nuclear plant and totally green, take a look at Iceland
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weeman,
jaan is/are working on that, been several post about a few months back.
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The problem is that most of the people with PhDs are not paying attention to this problem..
either because (2)they've been paid not to,
or because they are so absorbed in their narrow research interest that they fail to pay attention to what is going on around them
I hope that those who have the expertise to solve collectively the problem at Fukushima can be awakened in time…
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Maybe all the PhDs have a space guaranteed in bunker, may have to make one talk, we have ways and means
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How can we start a volcano, right under this plant?
A volcano could cover up the plant and build up a mountain over the top of it, plus absorb all of the coriums.
It is possible that the coriums will go down far enough, that they trigger a volcanic eruption.
We have never been here before, in the history of humanity.
Well, maybe a few times..Atlantians went bye bye. Romans disappeared. Greeks did too… Mayans went bye, as did other advanced civilizations. Is it our turn now?
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To gain further momentum for the planned nuclear rennaissance in russia, Rosatom sponsored a movie called "Atomic Ivan", currently in the cinemas in Russia…..
Love and life is sweet in and around a nuclear plant…
Trailer? Here:
http://kinogallery.com/films/trailer.php?id=nedelimoe&trailer=21151
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I am back with new solution
If water shields radiation I presume ice also sheilds radiation could we put a giant ice igloo over reactors with massive refrigerant equipment to keep frozen and water as a building block frozen is very workable and strong
I know this is nuts but we must keep thinking of a solution what is your solution have you better ideas
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Hey Doc,…remember that unusual driver you told us about in a recent story?
I think 'he' is driving here too!
'Oh,…I'm sorry,….I didn't mean to do (say) that'! (wink, wink)
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New spin on a old joke but no laughing matter
How many tepco employees does it take to put out a out of contol nuclear reactor, answer one spin doctor
If you want this situation to be solved send all family members of tepco executives to live by Fukushima nuclear plant then you will see action, if they have not left Japan already
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Truthout article (today) debunking Congressional Reporting Service CRS report about marine life in Pacific ocean.
Something Fishy: CRS Report Downplays Fukushima’s Effect on US Marine Environment
http://truth-out.org/news/item/8417-something-fishy-crs-report-downplays-fukushimas-effect-on-us-marine-environment
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Fukushima; Pacific Ocean Catastrophe Confirmed; via A Green Road Blog
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/fukushima-pacific-ocean-catastrophe.html
Fukushima Leaking Radioactive Water Into Ocean Plume; via A Green Road Blog
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/fukushima-leaking-radioactive-water.html
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They are going to build a wall….
http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/04/88-km-of-the-great-wall-is-planned-to-barricade-fukushima-contaminated-zone/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FukushimaDiary+%28Fukushima+Diary%29
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Also from Fukushima Diary:
http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/04/emergency-correspondence-between-jp-gov-and-tepco-right-after-311/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FukushimaDiary+%28Fukushima+Diary%29
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IDAHO Investigators Search For Source Of Radioactive Particles On INL Grounds http://www.npr.org/local/stories/KBSX/150298009
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Mayor asks govt. support for "temporary towns"
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/20120409_30.html
EVACUATE JAPAN! JUST SAY NO TO TEMPORARY ANYTHING!!
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Mitigation and everything you could possibly need to keep track of the situation at Fukushima, and earth in general. http://fb.me/1AxolAo6K
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Chernobyl disaster gave football star Stiliyan Petrov cancer, claims Bulgarian doctor
Aston Villa captain Stiliyan Petrov's cancer was caused by radiation from the Chernobyl nuclear disaster more than 25 years ago, according to his national team's doctor.
The 32-year-old was diagnosed with acute leukaemia last month.
Dr Mihail Iliev, who has treated Petrov for 14 years in his capacity as Bulgarian national team medic, is blaming a toxic radiation cloud the star was exposed to when he was just six years old.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126774/Chernobyl-disaster-gave-football-star-Stiliyan-Petrov-cancer-claims-Bulgarian-doctor.html?ITO=1490
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OMG! Posting Everywhere Jebus!! ty!
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The Link showed at Fukushima Watchdogs. Now to post it everywhere else. TY
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From the webcam page:
nuckelchen
April 8, 2012 at 5:28 pm · Reply
radcounter solo:
http://www.fmu.ac.jp/home/lib/radiation/motion.jpg
refreshing the side will gives you the newest view…
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Thanks for the ALERT. I'm in and out of here all day long, if someone doesn't POINT ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION i'm lost.
Hugs to you Heart!
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Nuclear sucks the money out of your wallet before, during and after a plant is built!
Iowans deserve honest answers from MidAmerican
There is no recognition that an appropriate depository site will ever be developed. However, the NRC is considering allowing nuclear power plants to store spent fuel on site for 300 years until a permanent depository can be found.
Iowans don’t need or want a new nuclear power plant. Poll IOWA’s survey of 600 Iowans in April 2011 found that 74 percent opposed paying higher electric rates for a new nuclear power plant while 17 percent favored it. In addition, responses indicated that 70 percent preferred investing in renewable sources while 22 percent preferred nuclear reactors.
http://thegazette.com/2012/04/08/iowans-deserve-honest-answers-from-midamerican/
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Jebus TY…going to bed now. Sleep Tight Everyone.
What a fucking joke!
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One year ago today, here on ENENEWS ~
~ Cesium-137 levels in Vermont milk at 66% of maximum contaminant level allowed by EPA
~ Radiation skyrockets to 100 Sv/hr at Fukushima reactor No. 1, along with sudden rise in temperature immediately after 7.4 quake
~ Local official in BC, Canada connects with pregnant moms and those with newborns after seeing radiation levels in rain rise steeply — “At the end of the day, the community’s health is at stake”
~ Uranium-234 detected in Hawaii, Southern California, and Seattle
~ Phoenix milk sample exceeds EPA’s maximum contaminant level for radioactive iodine-131
~ Thank you ENENEWS ~
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weekly updates from your faves gathered at Reality Check
(msmilky, k.blanche, redbutton studios, caldicott etc)
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/nnn.html
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Radiation Fallout Forecast by RadChick ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA1HL8KBdXY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Pressing on with Ooi…
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2012/04/ooi-nuclear-power-plant-restart-talk.html
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TEPCO Loses ALL Insurance Coverage; Japanese Nuclear Plants; Via A Green Road Blog
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/tepco-loses-insurance-coverage-for-all.html
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Earthquake near nuclear facility…Columbia Npp..3.5
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/index.php?pageid=seism_index&rid=239211
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Here's a petition calling for the decommissioning of all nuclear plants in the US, with a 100% nuclear free power grid by 2022:
http://www.change.org/petitions/nuclear-power-too-dangerous-too-expensive-not-worth-it
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Signed gladly khaake! Thanks!
There is a new HP thread too guys
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harvey-wasserman/nuclear-power_b_1406517.html
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Thank you, Whoopie.
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OMG! Just saw on CSpan. Where in the hell did this come from?!? INSTITUTE OF PEACE?!?!? http://www.usip.org/ USIP is our country's global conflict management center. Created by Congress to be independent and nonpartisan, we work to prevent, mitigate and resolve international conflict through nonviolent means.
It has a BRAND NEW BUILDING costing millions of dollars. WTF!?
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…can it be independent when it's funded by Congress?
Just asking!
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From their About page: "USIP teamed up with the U.S. Army"
War is peace. Black is white. Up is down. Nuke is green.
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I Tweeted it. I am so shocked! WHERE THE HELL DID THIS COME FROM!?!? Oxymoron considering we are a country that starts WARS everywhere in the world
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Not really – first they make money with weapons, then they make money (and safeguard influence on upcoming governments, economy etc.) via USIP…..
Ever wondered why the Japanese play baseball?
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