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  • NoNukes NoNukes

    Now plagiarism is the reason for reactor shutdowns. I am impressed with their creativity. :) "Reactors Shut Down Due to Forged Certificates
    Two reactors at the Yeonggwang Nuclear Power Plant in southwestern Korea have been shut down after they were found to contain parts bearing forged certificates.

    The Ministry of Knowledge Economy said it will quickly replace the parts in question and conduct further investigations. It said there is no threat of a radiation leak as the parts were mostly fuses and power switches, which do not directly impact the reactor itself.

    Eight suppliers are under suspicion of fabricating product warranties…"

    http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2012/11/06/2012110600965.html


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    • NoNukes NoNukes

      Aging Reactor to Be Shut Down
      The reactor No. 1 at the Wolseong nuclear power station will shut down on Nov. 20, when it reaches the end of its life cycle.

      The head of the Nuclear Safety and Security Commission, Kang Chang-sun, told reporters Monday "We've asked Korea Hydro and Nuclear Power four times whether the operation of the reactor can be extended but haven't received any reply yet." Even if a reply is received now, it is too late to make a decision by Nov. 20, so it will have to be shut down, he added.

      .http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2012/10/30/2012103001158.html


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    • Aha! Now look at this:http://www.deccanherald.com/content/290984/clear-ways.html
      You are here: Home » First Edit » New clear ways
      New clear ways

      “India is recognised as a responsible nuclear power.”

      While the visiting Canadian prime minister Stephen Harper’s talks with Indian leaders, including prime minister Manmohan Singh, covered all aspects of bilateral relations, the most important outcome was the agreement paving the way for Canadian firms to export uranium and sell nuclear reactors to India. Canada was among the first countries to set up nuclear reactors in India but the relationship broke down after that country imposed a moratorium on nuclear sales to India on suspicion that plutonium from its reactor was diverted for India’s first nuclear explosion in 1974. But the situation is very different now, as India, even without signing the NPT, has proved its credentials as a responsible nuclear power. The IAEA-approved civil nuclear agreement with the US in 2005 also helped to clear hurdles. India’s growing economic clout and its ambitious nuclear energy programme were attractions and so, as in case of Australia, commercial considerations also played a role in the decision to resume nuclear co-operation.

      Canada, like Australia, has large uranium reserves and can help to meet India’s growing future needs. As Harper noted, the resolution of the issues concerning nuclear co-operation will help Canada’s economy also in terms of growth and jobs. The ground…


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      • (contd)My comment:“India is recognised as a responsible nuclear power.”
        Canada joins the fraud to get debty largess from the nuclear energy programme. How else can you explain the attitude of the spent nuclear fool pool? Tell us how you will manage the nuclear wastes. After tritiating us with nukes? The energy and health audit shows that the programme makes the nukes forever indebted to the society and throws us into a state of permanent shortage of electricity. It converts us all into nuclear wastes and the nuclear wastes cannot be safely handled so that the biosphere is isolated from it. The cumulative effects of dams which stabilise the base load plant supplied electricity by catering to abrupt changes in load demands cause explosions in nuclear reactors by a nuclear effect. See Glaring Lacuna in meeting meeting water needs by googling for the title for the details of the glaring lacuna in the design of the grid to meet electricity demands. Thus every nuclear reactor because of the dams is an extinction level event as time passes. Even without the dam effect every nuclear reactor is such an event. The superb analysis of the nuclear power plant safety using Kurt Goedel's set theorem shows that the safety of any design cannot be proved even assuming a small level of risk of say loss of coolant! The interconnectedness of nature with the phenomenon of nuclear fuel cycle assures that all the webs of nature are irreversibly contaminated throwing even our future generations…


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        • (concld)throwing even our future generations into illth and premature death. India and every other nuked nation is an irresponsible power and contributes actively even at this very moment to the recurrence of Fukushimas. Know ye that Fukushima was caused by the interaction of the world's dams with mother earth. Stop this madness of mining uranium/thorium and of nuking the world.


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  • NoNukes NoNukes

    FitzPatrick, Palisades Nuclear Plants Shut Down Sunday

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    Nuclear Street News Team Tue, Nov 6 2012 5:32 AM 0
    One Entergy reactor tripped and another was shut down to investigate a steam leak Sunday.

    At Entergy's FitzPatrick plant in Scriba, N.Y., the 852 megawatt GE type 4 boiling water reactor shut down automatically from full power after a main turbine trip at about 10 p.m. The shutdown was uncomplicated, plant personnel reported to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission in an event report. Plant workers were investigating the cause of the trip.

    Earlier Sunday, operators at Entergy's Palisades plant in Michigan shut down its 778 megawatt Combustion Engineering pressurized water reactor to fix a small steam leak. According to an NRC event report, the leak was found in an atmospheric steam dump valve on the secondary side of a steam generator. Workers could not evaluate its condition further with the steam generator pressurized, and they powered down the reactor to fix the problem and to comply with federal regulations. http://nuclearstreet.com/nuclear_power_industry_news/b/nuclear_power_news/archive/2012/11/06/fitzpatrick_2c00_–palisades-nuclear-plants-shut-down-sunday-110601.aspx


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Fukushima Radiation News Nov 6/2012: UN Adopts No Nukes Resolution;Japan/ US Beef Import

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BnJZe5PSQQ


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Not in my backyard, cause there's no money in it, but we'll keep dishing out the poison, cause theres still a little money left to be had…

    Australia rules out nuclear power after Fukushima

    The federal government has ruled out nuclear power as an option for Australia's energy future.

    n an energy white paper to be released on Thursday, the government will argue there is no compelling economic case and not enough public acceptance, especially after the nuclear disaster at Fukushima last year, The Sydney Morning Herald reports.

    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2012/11/07/05/17/federal-government-rules-out-nuclear-power

    We'll wait and see if our uranium nukes another nation first…


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  • guezilla

    Hot off the press, Fukushima Dai-ichi Nuclear Plant Operating Manual:
    http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/images/handouts_121106_01-e.pdf

    Seriously, wtf. The Japanese are even more strange than I thought, or some publicist is having morbid fun. Fits right in with NRC's "No problem, we'll just roll out the fire-hoses" though.


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  • JustmeAlso

    How safe are parts(/nuclear plants) with forged safety documents?
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/11/07/nuclear-korea-idUKL3E8M721C20121107
    (The important fact for the ones in power is that it does not effect business as is mentioned)..


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  • NoNukes NoNukes

    Top U.S. nuclear official: Edison ultimately responsible for San Onofre problems The top U.S. nuclear safety official said Tuesday the operator of the idled San Onofre nuclear plant is ultimately responsible for the ensuring the quality of equipment and work provided by vendors and contractors.

    Plant operator Southern California Edison has shut down San Onofre indefinitely as it grapples with the rapid degradation of replacement steam generators that were installed in 2010 and 2011.
    http://www.nctimes.com/blogsnew/business/energy/top-u-s-nuclear-official-edison-ultimately-responsible-for-san/article_cbb51ab6-77f8-535c-bd30-93f229fb5e73.html


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  • NoNukes NoNukes

    SAN ONOFRE SHIPS OFF THIRD OLD GENERATOR

    Morgan Lee
    12:01 a.m., Nov. 6, 2012
    Updated 3:53 p.m. , Nov. 5, 2012

    The San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station is shipping the third of four retired steam generator assemblies to a permanent-disposal site in Utah.

    The hulking, radioactive equipment began its eastward journey Sunday night and reached Vista as of Monday, where it was parked until the scheduled resumption of its trip that night.

    It will take three weeks for the load to reach Utah aboard a 400-foot-long truck, plant operator Southern California Edison said. http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/nov/06/tp-san-onofre-ships-off-third-old-generator/


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  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

    TEPCO to seek $125bln as Fukushima costs double

    Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) is looking to ask for further help from the state as cost of the clean-up and compensation after Japan's Fukushima nuclear disaster may reach 10 trillion yen ($125bln).

    https://rt.com/business/news/tepco-fukushima-costs-double-158/

    ~There should be an approval process Before paying out any money..and that group should be made up of ordinary citizens..


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  • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

    Lots of quakes, more every minute… even fuku got a direct 4.6
    http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php


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  • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

    New Evidence Shows Power of East Coast Earthquakes
    Virginia Earthquake Triggered Landslides at Great Distances

    U.S. Geological Survey scientists found that last year's magnitude 5.8 earthquake in Virginia triggered landslides at distances four times farther—and over an area 20 times larger—than previous research has shown.

    The difference between seismic shaking in the East versus the West is due in part to the geologic structure and rock properties that allow seismic waves to travel farther without weakening.

    More evidence to rid us of nuke plants.

    http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=3447&from=rss_home#.UJqklcW_F-k


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  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

    On November 16th, representatives of Southern California Edison (SCE) will meet with the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) to address the company’s response to the NRC Confirmatory Action Letter and restart plans.

    The public is invited to observe the meeting and will have an opportunity to talk to the NRC staff after the business portion of the meeting, before it is adjourned.

    The meeting will be held between 6 and 9 p.m. PST

    The meeting will also be webcast live here: http://video.nrc.gov/

    will begin about 5 p.m. PST, but the audio stream will not start until the meeting begins. Given the seating capacity of the meeting facility is limited to approximately 350 persons, participation via webcast is encouraged. A phone bridge is also available by calling 1-888-913-9973 and entering passcode 9941895 when prompted. The webcast and phone bridge will be one-way only. Questions or comments can be submitted to the NRC staff after the meeting at: OPA4.Resource@nrc.gov

    http://enformable.com/2012/11/nrc-will-meet-with-southern-california-edison-to-discuss-san-onofre-steam-generator-issues/


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  • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

    NRC admits low levels of radiation released at Palisades nuclear power plant "Federal regulators say a recent steam leak inside an auxiliary building at Palisades nuclear power plant in southwestern Michigan contained low levels of radiation. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission says in a statement Tuesday that the leak was contained to the building. The leak forced operators of the plant in Van Buren County's Covert Township to remove it from service Sunday. Repairs are planned. The NRC says it has no immediate safety concerns. The NRC says the leak contained "very low levels of tritium" and will be treated as radioactive liquid waste. The plant says the leak couldn't be isolated or repaired with the plant in service. The plant owned by New Orleans-based Entergy Corp. has been designated by the NRC as one of the nation's four worst-performing nuclear plants."

    http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/?pageid=event_summary&edis_id=NC-20121107-37121-USA


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  • >The NRC says it has no immediate safety concerns.

    Translation: There are long term safety concerns.


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  • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark

    Sellafield nuclear waste storage is 'intolerable risk'
    "An "intolerable risk" is being posed by hazardous waste stored in run-down buildings at Sellafield nuclear plant, a watchdog has found."

    More at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-20228176


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  • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark

    I think Azuma is mentally ill.
    In this video, he says he's interested in murder (@2'10~).
    He's not interested in quick murder like the one happened in Hiroshima & Nagasaki. He's more interested in murder that takes time where people die randomly over time. :O

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS64e537_Ok

    Read his words about the plan and comments of others below.
    http://ch.nicovideo.jp/article/ar14944

    feel free to tweet to Azuma ( @hazuma )


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  • Sickputer

    My dad-in-law has end stage liver cancer and has a neighbor who also had liver cancer. I saw the neighbor Saturday hobbling down the street with his wife and he looked 75 years old. It would be his last walk.

    He died yesterday at age 55. I spoke with his brother-in-law today and he said his relative was a fracking waste truck driver. Healthy until April of 2012 he was involved in a major wreck and his cab was separated from the tanker and the tank ruptured and soaked his body. He had a huge abdominal gash and two broken ribs, one puncturing his right lung.

    He was released from the hospital, returned in six weeks in great pain. They told him he was overmedicated and sent him home with no pain relievers. Back in three weeks he was still in great pain and they ran CAT scans revealing his liver was 40% dissolved and his veins were black. Later they found a tumor in the ventricle of his heart that was considered unusual. Given until Halloween to live, he made it one week beyond their estimate. His liver was literally mush at the end.

    The fracking company has disavowed any liability for his death and the insurance company for the truck owner has offered his widow $50,000 for the accident injuries. I told the family to don't sign any waivers and get a good lawyer to pursue future earnings losses and pain and suffering. I think they should he able to force a one million dollar settlement or more money if it goes to court.

    Nasty stuff…and in the water supplies.


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    • kalidances

      Sickputer my condolences to you and your family. (((HUGS)))
      There will be justice for this fracking nonsense at some near future point.


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      • Sickputer

        I think my wife's dad got his liver cancer from drinking public tap water all his life. The water underground is a toxic mess in so many communities in America and the world. Another one of Big Brother's ugly little secrets.

        Bottled water is popular, but how many people use bottled water for all their cooking and tea/coffee needs? It's expensive to be so cautious, but did you ever see a luggage rack on a hearse?

        Restaurant ice and water is a hazard few people consider, but Alvin Tofler could give some healthy tips for surviving in a Future Shock world.


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    • Insight

      My heart felt condolences go to you, your family and friends Sickputer.
      Stay well my friend.

      "… whatsoever sore or whatsoever sickness there be….forgive, and render unto every man according unto all his ways….that they may fear thee to walk in thy ways, so long as they live in the land…
      That means forgive the people that cause the "sickness" but hold them accountable and make them pay for what they have done so they stop doing it!


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    • Maggie123

      SP – I am SO SO SORRY. Thank you for letting us know so that we may hold your and your neighbor's families in our thoughts.

      Now does not feel a good time but so I don't lose the thought will pass it along anyway – If, in time, anyone develops an interest in a brief presentation, especially related to fracking – say for YouTube or other public venue – I think there's value in it.

      Again – I am so very sorry and will carry thoughts of you and both families into days ahead.


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    • crystalwind

      SP, very sorry to hear about your family's suffering. Also for your neighbor's. That is an incredible story. Please accept my sincere condolences, and when you see your neighbors, pass on my condolences to that family also.


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    • Anthony Anthony

      Sorry to learn this. Peace to your family at this time.


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  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

    Question: as stable cesium is a banned toxin in terms of diet, how come there is a supposed safe limit for Cesium 137 and Cesium 134 in meat, fish and mother’s milk?

    Paul Langley's Nuclear History Blog
    https://nuclearhistory.wordpress.com


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    • Sickputer

      There is an arbitrary "safe" limit because the world's food supplies and humans are all contaminated with 67 years of atomic blasts and 60 years of nuclear plant activities. There is no going back to baseline non-artificial radiation days.

      At least Bernard Cohen's radiation hormesis theory should be rejected because even the pro-nuke WHO denounced his quakery in 2001:

      "…the World Health Organization's International Agency for Research on Cancer discussed at length Cohen's results then concluded:"The weight of evidence is that the ecological analyses of Cohen can be rejected."[10]"

      http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Cohen_(physicist)#section_1

      SP: Cohen died March 17, 2012, presumably never drinking the plutonium cocktail he blustered about most if his self-aggrandizing life.


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  • NoNukes NoNukes

    November 7, 2012 at 11:10 pm
    Fermi 2 plant shuts after hydrogen found in water

    By Detroit News staff and wire reports
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    Frenchtown Township, Mich. — DTE Energy Co. has temporarily shut down its Fermi 2 nuclear power plant because of an excess of hydrogen gas in a cooling system for the main electrical generator.

    DTE spokesman Guy Cerullo said the plant shut down about 9:30 a.m. Wednesday to keep equipment from overheating. Cerullo said operators saw that water in part of the cooling system for the generator contained higher than normal amounts of hydrogen.

    The generator is on the non-nuclear side of the plant and has two separate cooling systems for its different sections. One uses water and the other hydrogen. An increase in hydrogen gas in the water-cooled system decreases its efficiency.

    …For about a month this summer, Fermi 2's nuclear reactor was shut down. http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121107/METRO/211070439/1361/Fermi-2-plant-shuts-after-hydrogen-found-in-water-


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  • NoNukes NoNukes

    :) Iran nuclear fuel move may ease war fears – for now
    November 05, 2012|Fredrik Dahl | Reuters

    (STRINGERIRAN, REUTERS)

    VIENNA (Reuters) – …

    By dedicating a big part of its higher-enriched uranium to make civilian reactor fuel, Iran is removing it from a stockpile that could be used to make nuclear weapons if refined further and which would otherwise have grown faster. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-11-05/news/sns-rt-us-nuclear-iran-uraniumbre8a418f-20121105_1_higher-grade-uranium-uranium-gas-fissile-concentration


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  • NoNukes NoNukes

    (got a grain of salt?) Coming Uranium Supply Crunch a Boon to Near-term Producers
    Thursday November 8, 2012, 4:30am PST
    By Melissa Pistilli – Exclusive to Uranium Investing News
    RM: Let’s take a look at China. I firmly believe that China is still going to reach its 80-gigawatt (GW) goal by 2020. They have released their new five-year energy plan, lifting the moratorium on new nuclear builds. This is a huge industry catalyst that paves the way for more reactor construction. Although there’s a ban on building inland nuclear plants, there are 27.5 GW of capacity that can be approved for construction in the coastal provinces. I believe there will be more approvals coming.

    Now, about Japan. The September call for a 2030 nuclear phase out is not going to happen. The cabinet flat out refused to ratify it. Japan imports something like 85 percent of their energy, they cannot afford to phase out nuclear power. There’s absolutely no doubt Japan’s going to restart its reactors. Japanese utilities are spending money on upgrading their reactors, including putting new hydrogen recombiners into 23 units. They’ve announced plans to complete construction on other units. J-POWER’s Ohma plant is 40 percent completed and construction has resumed. I expect a lot of restarts next year from July on.
    http://uraniuminvestingnews.com/13026/uranium-supply-near-term-producers-demand-price-japan-china-india-united-states-rick-mills-cameco-uranerz-ur-energy.html


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  • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

    Anybody catch this? initially looks like vehicle accident, but there is more to the story.. much more.
    "Vehicle Accident in New Zealand on Wednesday, 07 November, 2012 at 19:31 (07:31 PM) UTC.

    An urgent operation is underway on the boundary of Tongariro National Park where a truck with "radioactive" signage plunged into a stream this morning, and the driver is missing. Fire Service northern communications shift manager
    fresh in from new zealand..Vehicle Accident in New Zealand on Wednesday, 07 November, 2012 at 19:31 (07:31 PM) UTC.

    Jaron Phillips said the fully-laden B-train truck was found in the Waihohonu Stream on State Highway 1, between Waiouru and Turangi, after emergency services were notified at 4.22am. "The concern we have is that the truck has signs on it saying 'radioactive' and the entire contents of this truck is in the river. There's a lot of debris in the river." Mr Phillips said the truck contained aerosol containers and was also believed to contain an environmentally hazardous insecticide called alpha-cypermethrin. National Poison Centre poison information officer Mike McArthur said alpha-cypermethrin would be an irritant to humans but not deadly. "It's a synthetic pyrethroid, like a very strong fly spray. It wouldn't be a major risk to humans or mammals but it wouldn't be particularly good for aquatic life." The area is world famous for its trout fishing."
    http://hisz.rsoe


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    • aigeezer aigeezer

      That's an odd one, Cataclysmic. Is it a nuke story hiding behind a chemical story. Is it both? Is it "just" a chemical story?… If the latter, it looks like a biggie even without the nuke factor:

      "Aside from the fact that they are also toxic to beneficial insects such as bees and dragonflies, pyrethroids are toxic to fish and other aquatic organisms. At extremely small levels, such as 2 parts per trillion, pyrethroids are lethal to mayflies, gadflies, and invertebrates that constitute the base of many aquatic and terrestrial food webs."

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrethroid

      Mayflies and the like are a major food source for trout.

      Please keep us posted if you find more about the story.


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      • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

        @aigeezer "Mr McArthur said he would be surprised if the substance was radioactive. "They'd be spraying it on paddocks and that sort of thing so it would be unlikely to be radioactive. It could be that the vehicle was containing something else that was radioactive." Numerous organisations are responding to the incident, including the local council, police, the Fire Service hazardous materials unit, and the National Radiation Laboratory. Police Inspector Willie Taylor told Radio New Zealand SH1 had been closed between Waiouru and Rangipo. "It's quite a major crash scene which hasn't affected SH1 itself, but we've been forced to close off the road so we can have a descent investigation of the site and start a search for the missing driver." He said the initial emergency call was from a motorist who discovered some debris near the stream. Further investigation by another motorist revealed the partly submerged truck. Mr Taylor said there were "all sorts of possibilities" as to what could have happened to the driver. "The stream is quite swiftly flowing and of some volume. The truck has sustained substantial damage and we've been unable to gain access fully to its cab, so there's many unknowns at this stage." He said police were aware of the importance of the stream, which flows into the Tongariro River and north to Lake Taupo. He understood substances were still escaping from the vehicle."


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  • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

    Need German translation, I found this, I think there is some very interesting information here and I can't translate because it is too big. This report was created by our last suppliers of detectable radionuclide dispersal cloud, zamg, They stopped sharing after that special "meeting" I really would like to know what they report, it is in German.

    "The first chapter contains a summary of the accident, the radiological consequences and measures to protect the population in Japan. Results of dose rate and contamination measurements and estimates of the release of radioactive substances into the environment as well as exposure of the Japanese population are described. In addition, a brief overview of the strategies to restore normal living conditions in Japan and the plans will be given to the decommissioning of the reactors misfortune.

    The Central Institute for Meteorology and Geodynamics (ZAMG) describes in her article which they have carried out source term assessments and global spread calculations and their correlation with the measurements of the United Nations.

    Released in Japan, radioactive materials were detected in small amounts in Austria. A section of this report, written by the Agency for Health and Food Safety (AGES), deals with the work carried out by the AGES environmental measurements in Austria and the based dose estimates for the Austrian population."
    http://www.zamg.ac.at/docs/aktuell/20120417_Fukushima_Bericht.pdf


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  • anne anne

    Any country stockpiling nuclear weapons is “mentally retarded” and the age of nuclear deterrence is over, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Thursday.

    Speaking at an international forum in Indonesia, Ahmadinejad reiterated his denial of allegations that his country’s unsanctioned nuclear program aimed at developing an atomic bomb.

    “The Iranian nation is not seeking an atomic bomb, nor do they need to build an atomic bomb … For defending ourselves we do not need a nuclear weapon,” said Ahmadinejad.
    “The period and era of using nuclear weapons is over … Nuclear bombs are not anymore helpful and those who are stockpiling nuclear weapons, politically they are backward, and they are mentally retarded,” Reuters quoted him saying.
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/any-country-stockpiling-nukes-is-retarded-ahmadinejad-says-again/


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  • lam335 lam335

    HAZMAT in Finland on Friday, 09 November, 2012 at 13:28 (01:28 PM) UTC.
    Description
    Radioactive uranium more than 50 times higher than the normal level has been found in a stream in Finland's rural east after a leak of waste water from a nearby mine belonging to Talvivaara, nuclear safety officials said on Friday. But Finnish authorities said they did not see a risk to public health after taking samples on Tuesday and Wednesday close to the nickel and zinc mine some 30 km (20 miles) outside the town of Sotkamo. The ore from the mine also contains uranium. Talvivaara shut down the mine on Sunday after discovering the waste water leakage, the latest in a series of problems at the site over the past year including environmental concerns and the death of a worker in March. The company said earlier on Friday the leak was fixed, but public broadcaster YLE later reported the problem had resumed. Talvivaara's London-listed shares fell 11 percent to 108.58 pence, while those on the Helsinki bourse fell 10.5 percent to 1.36 euros. A continued leak makes it unlikely the company, which pioneered the use of bacteria to extract nickel, will restart its metals plant soon. It said earlier this week it planned to restart it by the weekend.
    http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=HZ-20121109-37155-FIN


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  • crystalwind

    @ChasAha: (and anyone interested)–Remember I posted a question on Oct. 21 regarding how high do Fuku emissions go, and you replied, and I thank you again. What I don't understand is, since the emissions during the original blasts of March 2011 went up only to 600 ft. or so, how is it that they were picked up by the polar jet stream, which is up at 23,000-39,000 ft? I understand the link between the dates of incidents at Fuku and high readings in the US a week later. Are there other, lower wind patterns traversing the entire ocean that are bringing it over? If not, who's giving it a boost up? I'm trying to find other wind patterns now. I get through to CRWS jetstream site but it doesn't open next page. It seems most if not all our our predictions for increased radioactivity has been based on jetstream movements. What am I missing?


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    • Sickputer

      Cw typec these pixels of light:

      "What I don't understand is, since the emissions during the original blasts of March 2011 went up only to 600 ft. or so, how is it that they were picked up by the polar jet stream, which is up at 23,000-39,000 ft?"

      SP: The blasts visually in video far exceeded 600 feet, especially the MOX supersonic blast at Unit 3.

      Long ago I posted on the mathematics of heated particles rising into the jetstream (which at times may be as low as 18,000 to 19,000 feet. Based on that math it is easy for the explosions to reach the jetstream for global dispersion.

      Even the past 600 days of hot gases leaking out of the plant has the same heat rising capabilities. The radiation streaming every second airborne from Fukushima does not have an explosion headstart upward, but a great deal is wafting into the jetstream. Witness the well-known science of much cooler (and heavier) sand from the Mongolian steppes whipping into the jetstream.

      The atmosphere of earth is such a thin fragile shield of carbon form life. Mankind has little respect for this life-sustaining gift.


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        • Sickputer

          Long ago in the archives of Enenews…

          "Sickputer again: According to TEPCO we know the Unit 4 spent fuel was about 80 degrees Celsius on Friday and that’s 176 degrees Fahrenheit. As the massive superheated cloud obscured the plant during the 7 hour time frame ending about 4 AM Japanese time the hot cloud had the heat potential to rise easily 20,000 feet (less than the height of Mt. McKinley, to the lower edges of the jetstream)…at that point it is still over 50 degrees hot in the lower zone of the jetstream wind movement. The radioactive atmospheric particles start cooling more as they hit the faster area of the jetstream at 32,000 feet (a little above Mt. Everest height) and now lose temperature rapidly and may latch onto other windblown particles. Ready to fall when opportunities and conditions arise."

          http://enenews.com/trouble-at-sfp-no-4-workers-find-large-hole-in-wall-water-injections-not-enough-to-cool-pool/comment-page-1

          SP: Two jetstream posts on heat rising in that thread, this is from the second. Look for my avatar. That was in pre-word count days. Some old correspondents are no longer with us, but their words remain of how the greatest story in mankind's history slid quietly by 99.99% of uninformed humans. Yes, Syria is a great tragedy, but a nation of 125 million is at risk of total financial and health collapse.

          Madness in Japan…


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  • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

    Nuclear Event in Romania "One of two reactors at Romania's sole nuclear power plant stopped unexpectedly after its automatic shutdown system was mysteriously triggered, management said Friday. The state-owned Nuclearelectrica group, which holds a majority stake in the Cernavoda plant, said the reactor would remain out of service until the cause of the "unplanned" shutdown on Wednesday was understood. "The incident did not endanger staff, residents or the environment," the group added in a statement. Located in the country's southeast, Cernavoda has been in operation since 1996 and supplies around 18 percent of Romania's electricity."
    http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=NC-20121109-37162-ROU


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Interesting news, I can't decide if it's good or just another sellout…

    Ron Wyden could energize Senate Energy committee

    Ron Wyden’s expected elevation to top Democrat on the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee may jolt a sleepy panel.

    The lanky, 6-foot-4 Oregonian resembles retiring Chairman Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) in some respects: Both are Westerners who often reside left of the ideological center yet work across party lines.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77185_Page3.html

    A lot of words on energy, nothing about nuclear…


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  • guezilla

    Reactor scrams itself are almost daily, both because plant operators are sometimes extra cautious shutting down at the first sign of trouble, and because of the aging reactor armada. However, I think this event stands out from the normal "turbine bearings overheated" causes.

    http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/event-status/event/2012/20121109en.html#en48496

    Susquehanna 2 Integrated Control System (the industrial control system controlling automatic reactor cooling, the event report doesn't make it clear how much functionality they lost or retained) failed. The reactor was scrammed, but not before losing almost four and half feet from reactor water height. Water level was restored via emergency core cooling system.


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    • Did you see the report today in the Wall Street Journal that Stuxnet -which targeted Siemens technology, among others – adversely affected Chevron.

      It seems likely then that Stuxnet could affect US reactors, as well.

      King, R. (2012, November 9). Virus Aimed at Iran Infected Chevron's Computer Network. The Wall Street Journal,, p. B1, B2.

      Mark Koelmel, general manager of Chevron's earth sciences department was quoted in the article as stating:

      "I don't think the US government even realized how far [the virus] had spread. . . . I think the downside of what they did is going to be far worse than what they actually accomplished. . . . We're finding it in our systems, and so are other companies."


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      • guezilla

        Stuxnet itself was keyed to the very SCADA system it was targeted at. It is possible to identify the target system very closely – although one consideration is plausible deniability about target and protection of their sources for the specific details. There's also been some extensive talks about sheaningans on how it was supposedly modified even before release.

        In any case the biggest danger here as I see it is that the virus code and the anti-virus researchers analysis of it are widely available, allowing almost anyone to make their own variant. This was the folly of the idea originally, which I've not seen any officials address. At least the initial infection vectors for the virus MAY have been plugged since then, requiring a new version to come with new zero-day vulnerabilities to spread. Although control computers like that are rarely updated anyway…

        The Reuters quote naturally includes "The reactor's temperature and water level were within normal operating levels at the time of the shutdown, Scopelliti said." I wonder how they get away with such BS in press releases, the NRC report says they went well past level 2 isolations, where level 1 would be de-factor loss of coolant accident. I couldn't find information on Susquehanna levels, but usually there's 16 feet over rods, so they lost almost third of that and radiation above reactor would've risen well over hundred times above usual.


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    Environmental group's request for hearing on San Onofre denied

    CLICK>>http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/11/nrc-friends-of-earth-request.html


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    • Sickputer

      India's nucleocrats say they are close to capturing the Holy Grail of "safe" thorium reactors.

      The 60-year quest has never overcome some of the biggest obstacles of thorium reactors. With Fukushima still spewing I expect even idiot despot rulers will get a nudge/nudge wink/wink from bankers and advisors suggesting maybe it's still not ready for prime time.

      Plenty of good articles on thorium dangers in the scientific community and many Internet articles summarizing those naysayer scientists. A very simple and convincing Vote No to Thorium article here:

      http://www.beyondnuclear.org/storage/documents/THE%20MYTHS%20ABOUT%20THORIUM%20AS%20A%20NUCLEAR%20ENERGY%20SOLUTION.pdf

      Excerpt: "Thorium may be abundant and possess certain technical advantages, but it does not mean that it is economical….
      "In a once‐through mode, it will need both uranium enrichment (or plutonium separation) and thorium target rod production. In a breeder configuration, it will need reprocessing, which is costly. In addition, inhalation of thorium‐232 produces a higher dose than the same amount of uranium‐238 (either by radioactivity or by weight). Reprocessed thorium creates even more risks due to the highly radioactive U‐232 created in the reactor. This makes worker protection more difficult and expensive for a given level of annual dose. Finally, the use of thorium also creates waste at the front end of the fuel cycle."


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  • Mack Mack

    "Mothers of Fukushima children also reported that they have been pressured to downplay potential health signs with government provided doctors."

    From "One Day in Fukushima"
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/11/09/one-day-in-fukushima/


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  • NoNukes NoNukes

    'Unplanned' shutdown at Romania nuclear power plant
    09 November 2012 | 17:50 | FOCUS News Agency
    Home / Southeast Europe and Balkans
    Bucharest. One of two reactors at Romania's sole nuclear power plant stopped unexpectedly after its automatic shutdown system was mysteriously triggered, management said Friday, cited by AFP.
    The state-owned Nuclearelectrica group, which holds a majority stake in the Cernavoda plant, said the reactor would remain out of service until the cause of the "unplanned" shutdown on Wednesday was understood. http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n291881


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  • NoNukes NoNukes

    Slovenia's Krsko Atomic Plant Shut Down After River Surge
    By Boris Cerni – Oct 29, 2012 12:29 AM PT

    Slovenia’s only nuclear plant was shut down after heavy rain and snow caused an increase in the flow of the nearby river used for cooling the system.
    The plant in Krsko, eastern Slovenia, shut down yesterday at 10:58 a.m. as “the Sava river flow increased and brought along great quantities of leaves and other impurities, which are lowering the effectiveness of the cooling system,” it said in an e-mail statement. The shutdown caused “no impact to the environment or the people.”
    The 700-megawatt plant will be re-connected to the system in the next couple of days, the plant said in the statement. Westinghouse Upgrades Slovenian Nuclear Power Plant
    Breakbulk Staff | Fri, 11/09/2012 – 03:22

    EPCs + Project Owners | Nuclear | Europe
    Westinghouse has received two contracts from Nuklearna Elektrarna Krško to provide safety systems for the Krško Nuclear Power Plant in Slovenia.
    The company will install a passive containment dry-filter method venting system and a passive autocatalytic recombiner hydrogen-control system. The two systems enhance safety in the area of severe accident management, Westinghouse said in a statement.http://www.breakbulk.com/epcs-project-owners/westinghouse-upgrades-slovenian-nuclear-power-plant-1109


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  • anne anne

    Environmental coalition opposes Davis-Besse license extension at ASLB oral argument pre-hearings in Toledo
    http://www.beyondnuclear.org/home/2012/11/6/environmental-coalition-opposes-davis-besse-license-extensio.html


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  • guezilla

    Uranium in gypsym waste pond leak at Finnish Talvivaara Mining Company, hailed as one of the most modern "base metals extraction operations" in what Greenpeace is already calling largest environmental disaster in Finland's history. Talvivaara do not like being called uranium mine despite having a contract to deliver 350 tons of uranium a year to Cameco, world's largest uranium producer and recently won permission from the government for uranium extraction.

    Finnish Radiation and Nuclear Safety Authority finds 170 Bq (7 mg) of uranium per liter in the waste water leaking at 3000 m^3 (tons). This level exceeds radiation safety limit 60 times, and WHO chemical safety recommendation by 230 times, yet the radiation authority finds "it does not pose threat to public health".
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/09/us-talvivaara-leakage-uranium-idUSBRE8A80OI20121109

    Meanwhile Talvivaara has appealed to the Finnish military for help dealing with the latest leak, and Finnish and Swedish military are already with helicopters and other resources to try to contain the leak.


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    • guezilla

      Uhm, there were replies to this earlier, what happened to those? I don't think it's even possible to delete your own postings :)

      Anyway, to answer the unasked question, then, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_mining which contains map and pie diagrams of active uranium mines (another page has details and inactive ones). Talvivaara's uranium extraction facility if operative would single-handedly over double Europe's uranium-production. But it's not an uranium-mine *wink-wink*.

      To be fair, uranium at mining operations is called NORM, "Naturally Occurring Radioactive Materials", in this case also Technologically Enhanced. Most of the uranium in question would be dug out of the ground anyway alongside the other materials they're mining, and if uranium extraction was operating the waste water would not contain such high amounts of it, but instead there would be mishaps involving unenriched yellowcake uranium. Of course the waste water is poisonous enough on its own, but the necessity of mining itself is a topic for another forum.

      I thought the company had a sudden break of sense in appealing for army help, but it appears government officials had taken the initiative instead. By this morning the total leak was 600.000 cubic meters, or 4200 kg of uranium alone according to company report, placing it near top of world's largest tailings dam failures since 1960, and still continuing.


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Hmm, it seems like there is no profit in nuking your own country…
    Even if you are really efficient at it…

    TEPCO says it will see no profit without nuke plant restarts

    Tokyo Electric Power Co. will be hard-pressed to post a profit in fiscal 2013 if it is unable to restart some of its nuclear reactors in the months ahead, TEPCO President Naomi Hirose said.

    "Achieving that goal is our responsibility," Hirose said, acknowledging that returning to a black ink figure is a prerequisite for receiving more loans from financial institutions.

    Hirose emphasized that the utility will seek to restart the Kashiwazaki-Kariwa reactors.

    "The question is not just about whether to restart them," he said. "It's also about how long the restarts will be delayed."

    http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201211100044

    There is no conscience in the leadership of Japan…


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  • Sickputer

    TOKYO (Kyodo) — The Environment Ministry said Friday it is expecting around 33,000 tons of debris washed away by tsunamis caused by the March 2011 earthquake in northeastern Japan to reach the western coast of North America by next June…

    …Around 290 tons are expected to reach the coastline by next month, increasing to 3,200 tons by next February and 14,000 by April, according to the latest analysis.

    Ministry officials said the government will not change its plan to provide $5 million to the United States and 1 million Canadian dollars to Canada to help cover cleanup costs."

    http://mainichi.jp/english/english/newsselect/news/20121110p2g00m0dm025000c.html

    Thanks to Fukushima Diary for this report:

    http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/11/mainichi-33000-tons-of-quake-debris-to-reach-n-america-by-june-2013/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FukushimaDiary+%28Fukushima+Diary%29


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  • dharmasyd

    Safety Update on Davis Besse NPP in Ohio from the office of Dennis Kucinich. The untility is applying for license extension. Read it:
    http://kucinich.house.gov/news/email/show.aspx?ID=FSL4735ANJBDAITT2UBPMMT5XE !


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