Once again, thallium-208 found, and the thorium series. This comes from separation of uranium from plutonium. You would not expect this to come from Fuku. I believe it means that either Rokkasho or Tokai melted down, exploded or leaked… or else there was something funny going on, isotope separation, at Fuku.
There are supposed to be 6 reactors at Daiichi, but who knows. There has been speculation that experiments were going on there, it's possible… also the MOX itself in #3 might not actually be regular MOX. Emissions from a reprocessing plant would include all kinds of dangerous exotic isotopes, some rival plutonium in toxicity. I don't think all the radiation can be explained by 3 meltdowns and 4 spent fuel pools.
The scarcity of uranium plus the abundance, residual energy and transport danger of high-level waste would seem to make on-site reprocessing irresistible to any burgeoning empire, no?
"There is concern that a series of attacks on Iranian nuclear installations will create a Chernobyl-like radioactive cloud that would be caught up in monsoon weather in the Indian Ocean."
If the machines (geigers) malfunctioned do they typically malfunction in this way….the readings climbed steadly higher then come down? Is this a typical event. I would think if the machine malfunctioned it would not register a high reading in the presences of radiation not the other way around. How could a geiger malfunction in this way….a very high false reading? What could cause this kind of malfunction?
There are a LOT of holes in this story.
In a previous video, POTR blog suggests that, if it was a malfunction, the readings would have been a flat line instead of gradually going up and later going down.
I didn't measure anything in my apartment in town, but POTR blog points out it could have been a small but concentrated plume that only hit certain places.
This event drives home the extent to which we are largely on our own and at the mercy of extremely imperfect information when it comes to making decisions in response to such alerts.
I only turned on my geiger counter after learning about the alert around 1:30 am, but it apparently began around 11:30 pm, so I'm left wondering if it floated past my place before my detector was turned on. I'm starting to think it might be worth looking for some kind of monitor that could be left on 24/7 (I'm afraid to leave the Inspector on all the time for fear it would burn it out). If anyone knows of an affordable monitor that can be left on all the time, I'd welcome hearing about it.
The other thing that occurs to me is that, if such a concentrated cloud of radioactivity floated through South Bend in the early morning hours, it likely floated over other areas as people were setting out of their way to work or school/camp, etc. But those people had even less of a heads up that such a thing was in the air, since the only alert that went off was for South Bend. We know this stuff doesn't evaporate, so it had to go somewhere after leaving Indiana.
If it was real, I can't help suspecting that evidence of it must have been detected by some "official" entities somewhere. Assuming it was real, it would be great if enformable could FOIA some documents that confirmed this suspicion.
Hi Iam 335,
I thought the same thing, where did the radiation go? I wonder which way the wind was blowing that night…and if that leads to a trail of turned off or malfunctioning giegers as well.
However 2 other things could aslo play a part…If this releases was a gas could it have gone straight up…very high into the atmosphere undetectable?
Or could the radiation that was released/present have a very short half like say of 1/2 hour so within 300 minutes it would disappear from the radar…???.
About your leaving a monitor on all the time…what a good idea..we have radon monitors at home..you mean something like that right? I've never heard of one for other radiation.
You make an interesting point about gases and/or short half-life stuff. It's a good question. If it were one of those things, then it would have to have been a local release–but from where? Notre Dame's Radiation Laboratory? One of the hospitals in the area? I don't suppose the local coal-burning power plant could release such stuff. 20 and 40 miles away in Michigan there are also two nuclear reactors (not to mention six in Illinois), but there are none in Indiana, however.
re:a monitor–years ago on TV I saw a guy who lived close to a nuclear plant–I think it was Indian Point–and he had a radiation detector on his table that constantly monitored the air for signs of a nuke release. I'm not sure, but I don't think a radon detector would work because I think they work by having some of the air containing the actual radon float into the instrument's chamber, where its concentration can be measured. By contrast, this would need to be like a geiger counter insofar as it would pick up Gamma/beta energy whose source may be outside.
I just don't know if a regular geiger can be left on so long without damaging it. (I had to wait over 6 months for my GC last year, and for me it was quite expensive, so I don't want to take a chance with burning it out by leaving it on 24/7)
ive just been hit by radon from a nuke emmission in france.. i will post up on the rad forum.. i think we got hit by particulates at the weekend and the radon has now come
in with the rain..
the rain is hot! only third time ive come across it and it follows a particulates contamination.. ive documented all of the day and will post video evidence and the written versioon on the rad forum.. probbly tommorrow as i am knackered! and irradiated again…
"The instrument is ready to use when it comes out of the box. A 9 volt battery is already installed. This battery will operate the instrument continuously for at least 7 weeks at normal background radiation levels. A low battery indicator will appear on the LCD when the battery needs changing."
I just bought one of these and received it 2 weeks ago. I'm in California, East Bay area, and this device has been reporting around 16 to 28 CPM depending on the day. It seems to be tracking pretty well with the readings I see on the radnetwork website, but I don't have anything else to compare it to.
I took the cover off and it appears to have good build quality for the price. It's rechargeable through the USB interface or included wall charger. I believe you can also load a Windows app which downloades the logs and graphs the data. I have a new baby at home, so haven't gotten around to checking that out yet.
If you have any questions about this geiger let me know and I'll try to answer them.
If you can find one on eBay or out there somewhere, what you want is an Eberline RM-14 low level detector. While it does have a detatchable pancake probe (usually held in place atop the unit), it is a desktop machine rather than portable and can be plugged into the wall with a 3-prong appliance cord. Has an alarm, you set it to sensitivity. A very handy thing to have if waft-throughs are of concern (more than generally high levels).
I was thinking the same too. My geiger might be cheap and might not be so high spec but it has never given me a reading from say 0.12 mcSv/h to 12.00 mcSv/h… that kind of jump. Yes, it's normal that it might jump from 0.12 mcSv/h to say 0.5 mcSv/h etc….
So what kind of 'special geigers' have they got that it malfunctions the way it does? I bet these special geigers are much high spec and more expensive than mine.
Kill One Kill Twelve Kill Millions Kill Billions
Evacuate Tokyo and All US Forces From Japan
Bob Nichols for Salem-News.com
It is an open joke and a term of extreme contempt that, in Japan, politicians and other professional liars for hire say “Smiling people do not get radiation poisoning.”
The Japanese Prime Minister’s special investigations committee discovered the crucial Emergency Generators on the four trashed, leaking reactors were the “wrong voltage” and would never have worked in a million years, no matter what.
Without Emergency Generators, loss of regular electricity feeds means the white hot reactor cores start evaporating all the water immediately and then melting down in hours. The big generators were the wrong voltage for the 600 Volt pump motors.
Gattaca becomes reality as scientists start to screen, abort human babies based on 3,500 'genetic faults'
Monday, June 11, 2012 by: Ethan A. Huff, staff writer
"Genetic screening will lead to more abortions, more eugenics, and a culture of genetic class suppression
When science starts openly tampering with human life based on subjective perceptions of which genetic traits are desirable and which are not desirable, there is no stopping the pandora's box of population control techniques that will surely ensue. Parents seeking the "perfect" child, for instance, will be more likely to simply abort a child with genetic "errors" and keep trying until they get the one they want.
As government-run healthcare emerges into full reality, state-controlled doctors may begin telling parents that they are not allowed to have an imperfect child because treating that child's inevitable genetic conditions will cost the state too much money. Forced abortions, in other words, could become the norm if genetic testing techniques like the ones developed at UW become widespread…."
The Nuclear Weapons Industry's Money Bombs, How millions in campaign cash and revolving-door lobbying have kept America's atomic arsenal off the chopping block. — Mother Jones, By R. Jeffrey Smith, Center for Public
Integrity Jun. 6, 2012 Employees of private companies that produce the main pieces of the US nuclear arsenal have invested more than $18 million in the election campaigns of lawmakers that oversee related federal
spending, and the companies also employ more than 95 former members of Congress or Capitol Hill staff to lobby for government funding, according to a new report
Via Atomicinsights.com, this report on "Pro-nuclear Environmentalism":
"Walking the talk- pro-nuclear advocates stand together"
"Until very recently, pro-nuclear environmentalists have failed to stand together effectively. The consequence is that we have failed to achieve the shift we have needed. We have always had logic, reason, science, rationality, context, enlightenment and morality on our side.
We’ve been missing the boring components. Organisation. Coordination. Visibility. Accessibility. Connection and the opportunity for those newly interested to connect. In other words, becoming a movement."
"enlightenment and morality on our side" – says the nukers – hahah hahahah hahahahah hahhahahah hahahah hahahhah hhahahahh hahahh hahah hahah
they are not enlightened to the morally vacant concept of leaving deadly toxic waste for future generations to deal with.
i've never been able to find of point of logic around that one. you can never negotiate with future generations, so how can you ever achieve concensus. sheer self-indulgence is the only justification.
morallity on the side of nukers – the joke of the millenia.
richard: if that made you LOL, this outta make you go "ROTFFLMFAO!":
"Why pro-nuclear has failed when anti-nuclear has succeeded" (Same site…Australian)
"We also should be honest and acknowledge the genuine shortcomings of nuclear power technology through its history, such as:
The inarguable association with weapons development programs in the early days
A period of escalating costs and increasing design complexity
The catastrophe at Chernobyl; an absurd basis for decision making today, but something that has had profound influence on perceptions of the technology
The intractable “problem” of high level nuclear waste
Well the essential weapons link is well and truly of a bygone era. Designs are now standardised, simplified, modular, factory made, and super safe. The “problem” of high level waste has always been something of a beat-up compared to the mountain of polluting toxins we routinely ingest from fossil fuel and myriad other industries. I don’t really regard it as a shortcoming that the industry needs to feel bad about. In fact, nuclear power distinguishes itself from fossil fuel by actually capturing and containing the pollution. How novel."
**This was posted 07/08/11 ~ Fukushima didn't make it on the "shortcomings" list? (!?!)
"That comment is approved just for the benefit of a wonderful demonstration of the way some on the other side of this issue conduct themselves. But I wouldn’t both posting anything else, I do not tolerate that type of abuse."
I think what he meant to say was: "I will not tolerate or acknowledge valid arguments from the other side".
It does make me realise that I get a bit fervent when confronting 'the other side'.
But at least it's a foot in the door of a pro-nuker.
I see they have a debate coming up later in the month. But it's $32 for the privilege. Not sure my $32 will get much anti-nuke mileage there. Under consideration as it's in my city.
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"Walking the talk- pro-nuclear advocates stand together"
"Until very recently, pro-nuclear environmentalists have failed to stand together effectively. The consequence is that we have failed to achieve the shift we have needed. We have always had logic, reason, science, rationality, context, enlightenment and morality on our side.
We’ve been missing the boring components. Organisation. Coordination. Visibility. Accessibility. Connection and the opportunity for those newly interested to connect. In other words, becoming a movement."
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The only thing missing from this, is the truth.
The truth that they can never tell.
The truth that will never be on their side.
The truth that will be their downfall.
The truth of all those lives lost.
The truth of a failed technology.
The truth of the nation destroying monetary burden.
The truth of all future lost, with nuclear.
The truth of genome destruction.
The truth of nuclear power = nuclear weapons.
The truth of chernobyl and the other untold disasters.
The truth of making mothers abort damages fetuses.
The truth of bioaccumulation in our food.
The truth that nuclear and life can not coexist.
The truth of Fukushima.
As for creating a movement out of pro-nuclear lies, well, even a turd becomes a movement, if only for a moment. And then it gets flushed…
The development (and use) of nuclear weapons and the Atoms for Peace program legitimized the killing of massive numbers of human beings to "win" wars, or to serve those who profit from waging wars.
IMHO this has allowed us to slide down the slippery slope into moral malignancy.
The implications of allowing such technology to develop and flourish should be carefully considered. I had to think about why nuclear power and weaponry is so entrenched.
Bottom line (again) is it legitimizes the killing of massive numbers of human beings.
This puts into context the statement of Robert MacNamara (Nixon's Secretary of Defense in the 1960's) that it was "acceptable" for 100 million or so U.S. citizens to die as a result of a first strike against the Soviet Union. That is, it would be acceptable to lose only 100 million citizens, as the U.S. would ostensibly win a nuclear war, and it was "less than half" the U.S. population, as I think he put it.
Do you see how utterly dangerous and amoral this kind of thinking is? Our deaths just become "collateral damage" are not equated with our being human beings. Life when contemplated within this moral context has no value.
So I'll argue the MINDSET behind nuclear technology is the enemy; the thinkers are players.
We must come full force against the mindset, and work to change the paradigm of thought about the value of human life. I'll extend that to all life on earth. Nuclear energy and weaponry have trivialized…
1,000 U.S. high school students to start volunteer work in tsunami zones
Kyodo
Around 1,000 high school students and youths from the United States will visit the Tohoku region in three groups from Sunday to carry out volunteer work in four disaster-hit prefectures at the invitation of the Japan Foundation.
Each group will stay in the country for a fortnight and engage in various exchanges with locals in Iwate, Miyagi, Fukushima and Ibaraki prefectures, according to the foundation, which specializes in cultural exchanges.
Participants in the program will come from 40 schools across the United States, including areas affected by natural disasters in the past, including Hurricane Katrina in 2005. The last group will arrive in late July.
And I'll bet their teachers/principals have no idea that the reactors are still spewing stuff everyday and the fuel pools (4 and 3) are in serious danger of collapsing/cracking and burning.
lemmings arent that stupid FYA, they just like to chill out, run around and munch on lichen (non radioactive.. when pushed to a cliff edge they are at there most dangerous imo
lemmings are real party animals too! we have population crash parties!!
"If natural disasters – a summer drought, a sudden melt of thick snow, an unusually harsh winter – do not kill them off first, overcrowding ensues. Aggression rises, and bloodshed and cannibalism come along with it. Once the hoards exhaust their food supply by eating all of the preferred plants in the vicinity, there are two subsequent phenomena: emigration-en masse, and a crash in population numbers (Figure 2). Lemmings are good swimmers, and emigrants readily enter any body of water they encounter; if the opposite shore is beyond reach, they simply perish. Population crashes are sudden and extreme, with carcasses strewn over the tundra
@papa
big pr likes to use young people for effect.. same in japan..
kids from katrina going to work in japan.. should be the other way around
MURFREESBORO—As the first anniversary of the March 11 nuclear disaster in Fukushima, Japan, approaches, Middle Tennessee State University is announcing a 10-day disaster-recovery education-abroad and service program slated for June 2012.
With support from the Japanese Ministry of Education, Fukushima University and MTSU International Affairs, 10 MTSU students will witness firsthand the impact of a national disaster and participate in the cleanup and rebuilding mission.
On March 11, 2011, an earthquake and resulting tsunami engulfed the Fukushima Dai-chi nuclear power plant, sending three reactors into meltdown. The Japanese government declared the plant stable in December 2011.
“MTSU has assessed the current situation and consulted with Fukushima University,” says Dr. David Schmidt, vice provost for international affairs. “At no time while engaged in program-related activities will students be in areas where the U.S. government recommends its citizens avoid travel.”
I posted this story and the info below early yesterday. If you really are as disgusted as you say you are, please call the number below and let them know. This is a chance to actually do something! PLEASE CALL and let them know that many of us are aware of what is really happening in Japan.
We have to look out for these childre. Wouldn't you want someone to look out for your child?
Sue
June 11, 2012 at 9:31 am Log in to Reply
If anyone would like to contact the Kizuna Project regarding the above American/Japanese exchange programme (I think that other countries are also participating in these fully-funded programmes), please call Megan Bernard in Seattle on 206 367 2152.
with the help of this forum the whole world now has the opportunity to cause awareness of the reality – phone calls are great however for concerned people in other countries the cost can be prohibitive – an email is just as effective and the 5,058 members of enenews should flood the Seattle office with letters – there is so much potential in this to begin getting out the truth –
@Sue
cannot overstate how important your contributing contact information is – now up to the forum to see who is up to the challenge and who is ?????
I spoke with Megan Bernard at the Kizuna Project today after deciding that I would get much more info if I took the softly, softly approach. I learned that there are 40 schools going to Japan and the program is completely booked. Obviously, I was unable to ask for a full list of all the schools participating but did manage to get two Southern California schools.
Long Beach Polytechnic High School 562 591 0581 and
Marina High School, Huntington Beach 714 893 6571
It's a start and I will be calling these schools tomorrow. She also informed me that there are currently no plans to include the UK in the programme (thank heavens!). However, I do think that Canadian schools are also included in the North American programme. I think it's our duty to hound these schools into shunning this diabolical PR stunt.
Thanks for reposting that, Sue. I missed it yesterday.
Just got off the phone with Megan. We had a good talk and I filled her in on what we've been learning here at enenews. I gave her the site URL and she said she will visit to learn more about the dangers of sending children into a contaminated area as the proposed trip is planning.
She said they were working with the Japanese gvt to insure they'd be going to safe areas according to them…Gulp…I explained that they have raised the "safe" levels because the contamination is so great. I explained that the Japanese gvt has a huge PR budget and had a campaign to pay people to visit Japan. I said her efforts would be better spent having the children in the U.S. who wish to help work to help evacuate children and families in harm's way.
She was very nice and listened attentively. I offered to help her with any project that involved helping the children evacuate, but I could not in good conscience work to help send children into what potentially could be harm's way. (I told her about the WHO censorship of the Chernobyl studies and explained the only way to get all the facts was to do as we here have done and search them out, and NOT wait to hear about the truth from the MSM.)
I hope I have helped her understand things a bit more clearly and hope she will spend time searching for the truth about what the situation is like in the disaster zones and beyond…
P.S. I explained that NO level of radiation can be deemed "safe," as even a microgram of a radioisotope can lodge in a child's body and continue to irradiated them the rest of their lives.
I told her that at least 1/3 of children in Fukushima were found to have lumps on their thyroids, less than a year after the explosions.
P.S.S. I gave her advance warning she may be hearing from other enenewsers too…)
I'm actually in the UK but have lived in California on and off for years. Initially, I saw this story on EXSKF (below) and just did a little research. It was too big a story to just let it go!
I moved from California to the PNW a couple of years ago.
I also told Megan about the USGS report and the PNW Labs showing that Washington got doused with 40,000 times "natural" background with Xenon-133 and that it was detected for at least a month. I mentioned that because neither our MSM nor our gvt told us about it or cautioned to stay inside, we all were exposed to it, including our kids.
I wanted to demonstrate that relying solely upon the MSM and/or gvt warnings was probably not a good idea if one wanted to know the complete story…
So there is no way anyone should intentionally send our kids, who were already doused, into areas in Japan where they could/would/will be exposed to additional radiation.
I do hope she takes the time to learn more…our children's health is too important to take any chances with.
Thanks, Sue. I remember skimming over that story briefly, but only recall the mention of the college students from Tennessee going to volunteer.
My first thought: Tennessee is known to have one of the poorest educational systems…and is home to the notorious nuke polluter, the Tennesee Valley Authority:
@watk – your comment on exploitation rings so true for the treatment of Australian aboriginals. They are currently being offered several million dollars to accept nooclear waste on traditional, ancestral, lands.
i put some ideas down to make this a larger issue.. incorporating the isssue of cesium holidays etc… maybe we need chernobyl heart and acro etc advice on this?? it would make a more powerful argument..
also, it is worth contacting CRIN with any findings so that there childrens charities, 4000 or so around the world, including japan.. might get a better understanding of the dose and air food water uptake issues.. also, the denial of information from the japanese government on health issues will be better expressed from the organisations..
it might prove to embarrising for the above organisation
we might even have them allow work expierience and helpers to come to the usa for a cesium break.. ?? i am busy at the moment but hope to start forming emails over the weekend.. any info stick on the petitions link and i will add it to the bundle..
Good on you, WATKids. But realistically, anyone in the should-be but aren't-evacuated areas isn't likely to amass significant radiation dose in a month's time this far down the line. Caveat if something else blows/falls/spews.
Programs that let teens earn real cultural and service credits by helping out in devastated regions during summer break (I'm thinking Haiti, Indonesia, Chile and such) can be a big plus in that young person's life. And apart from accumulation of internal contamination, they're likely to get more of a gamma dose flying to and from Japan as they'll get from just being in northern Japan. So long as they don't engage in any actual clean-up, debris incineration, decontamination projects, of course. Or eat the local produce, drink the water and milk, etc. If my kid were going I'd pack an entire suitcase with non-contaminated rice, dried veggies, soup mixes, cereals and powdered milk, plus a charcoal/zeolite water filtration kit (1-2 quart capacity) with extra filters. Enough to last several months, then tell him/her to leave it (and the suitcase) with a family in Fukushima when they leave.
The real moral double-take in this is that the offered aid is designed to encourage Japanese families who NEED to get the hell outta there, to stay. They aren't there for just a month – they get to live with the crap until they die unless they choose not to, and make good on that choice. No government or other nation's teenagers can do it for them.
Thanks, JoyB. I understand your point about not amassing "too much" radiation contamination on their visit–if and only if a parent were aware of the situation as you are and would even know how to pack the proper food and water filtration supplies to begin with…But how many parents have such awareness at this point? I'm guessing pretty much 0%…
That is also a BIG "IF"…IF the children are not actively involved in clean-up activities, which, if I read their website correctly, they DO plan on having the kids participate in, as I believe that is a big part of the purpose of planning the trip…)
However, as a parent, I would have to ask myself is the worry about possible contamination of my child really worth it? We cannot know if we will get sick from such exposure…even one radioactive particle could be the one to trigger disease in our bodies…
And you're right, the real focus should be on evacuating families in harm's way, not encouraging them to stay by creating a false sense of security by a children's goodwill effort at decontamination.
As I mentioned to Megan yesterday, they could possibly move their trip to W. Japan even, and meet some of the children from E. Japan there, to keep them out of harm's way…Yet, even flying into the Japanese islands, with the burning of debris and the steaming, smoking Fuku demolished plants off-gassing back into the atmosphere, could expose them to even greater amounts during the flights…
Better yet, the American students could join efforts to find ways to help the children of Fukushima evacuate with their families.
I am all for creating friendships and bonds between children, but IMHO, this can be done without taking unncecessary risks.
Let the "clean up" be handled by consenting adults, rather than using children as PR agents of the Japanese gvt to further their agenda of "See! All is well! Cold shutdown! Decontaminated Japan! Come see for yourself!"
I truly like your idea for international youth cooperative groups to help families relocate from northeastern Japan, however that could get past gub'ment censorship (both ways). Plan Nine says they confiscate incoming food, but I'll bet the umbrella org (working with some State Dept. office or other) could have it shipped in.
Finishing the evacuation that needs doing is where the effort should be focused. Those areas won't be fit to live in for at least 300 years, so what's the point?
Hub and I almost went to Fukushima last April (civilian monitor training) on request of a couple of quickly-organizing groups. I would have insisted on safe food and water under either or both. And I've got grown up grandchildren these days – we evacuated our children to Oklahoma when TMI melted down, then we marched right on into the place…
At the end of the day, some people are willing to risk everything – including their children – for blind faith in human 'authorities' who have never once told them the truth (the whole truth) about anything whatsoever. No accounting for some people's courage (or foolishness), I guess… §;o)
Ah, so. Though I wouldn't consider a sizeable group of high schoolers with an NGO/foreign office project to be mere "foreign travelers." And I would expect that whatever they insist is necessary for their upkeep and wellbeing while in the contaminated zone would be provided, one way or another.
I wouldn't send anybody's kid off to the back-country of Guatemala for a summer dig without proper water purification equipment and an ample supply of safe field rations, bug repellant, and mosquito netting. Plus instructions. Even if it had to be shipped separately. That's not radiation, it's flukes/parasites, fungi and nasty foreign microbes in the food/water in addition to mosquitoes carrying incurable viruses.
Of course, if I had a teen hell-bent on going to Fukushima, I'd mostly make sure s/he knows the score. Millions and millions of parents here don't know enough to even be concerned, and don't want to know. Their teenagers are as immortal as teenagers have ever been – in their own minds. Not much to be done about them. Maybe they'll learn something valuable in Fukushima they'd never learn at home. For whatever it costs them in the end.
The danger isn't ambient external gamma, though there's that [up to maybe a .5R whole body]. It would be the food and water, and breathing contaminated dust/air. Once inside, dose doesn't count for much.
Joy B is informed, factual, fearless in truthtelling without excessive fear mongering, has my trust. Pls weigh in more often. I also appreciate the wealth of info provided by many dedicated posters here.
"University of Alberta researchers have made strides in creating mass quantities of medical isotopes without the use of radioactive materials, an advancement that could replace the isotopes produced at the aging Chalk River nuclear facility in Ontario.
"Dr. Sandy McEwan, chair of the U of A oncology department, and his team have found a way to use a particle accelerator called a cyclotron to make technetium-99m, the isotope injected into patients to test for ailments such as cancers and heart disease. Technetium is used in about 250,000 nuclear medical imaging tests across Alberta each year."
"According to MAPW members Dr Bill Williams and A/Prof Tilman Ruff (2007: see link below): "The near-universal use of weapons-grade, highly enriched uranium (HEU) to produce pharmaceuticals is a significant proliferation hazard [and] one of the most vulnerable pathways to the much-feared 'terrorist bomb'.""
Thanks, Richard. They look like a great group! Love to hear about the work of anti-nuke groups around the world.
They may need to update this one their website:
"Australia exports uranium to the USA, France and the UK, all nuclear-armed nations. In 2006 the Federal Government approved exports to China, another nuclear weapon state."
Didn't they just agree to also sell uranium to India recently?
@richard
June 12, 2012 at 1:42 am
Professor Koide of Japan has documented the reported transfer of India nuclear reactor wastes to Jaduguda uranium mining site(India) and put at the dump of mill tailings pond.
Yes, it is disgusting, this whole arbitrariness of such infinte dangers.
Thanks, Richard. I admire your passion to take action and protest. Good luck and keep us posted! Your actions just may inspire more here to take action in their countries as well.
There is a list of countries who have not signed on and are illegal.. some are 'welcome' to the club, sent weapons, nuke subs, uranium, etc… and get no hassles. But others without the sign on and trying to do the same thing are 'punished' through the UN, sanctioned, etc…
lam335: Just watched Poterblog video on South Bend incident of 6/7/12. Interested in your take as a South Bend resident. Cannot be dismissed as power failure or UPS failure. The data just doesn't fit. So, if real, what caused it? SBN is 22 miles ESE of Cook nuke, 40 miles S of Palisades nuke. Of the two, Palisades, almost due north, would be more likely source then Cook, which is to the west. Light winds from the north just before the spike. No NRC event reports from either nuke. Also, for cpm to reach 3,500 in SBN, 40 miles away, there would have been a severe event at Palisades that we would all know about by now. Notre Dame University is in SBN. The university is a member of NEI, and has an active nuke engineering research department working with The Materials Science of Actinides. Perhaps something exotic was vented from the lab, at a time when there was no wind to blow it away. Or, as Potrblog suggests, something from Fuku could have fallen out of the nearby jet stream, then settled on SBN when wind ceased early on 6/7/12. Any ideas?
I like the Fuku theory. It's a fragile "shell" in the lower atmosphere layers. Scientists just now have "discovered" (brilliant Mr. Watson!) that storms suck up big city ozone/pollution and carry it along their path.
Anyway, there was a top ten Fuku emissions event with massive China Syndrome radioactive steam the first days of June. That propelled very nasty particles into the jetstream and maybe it was responsible for the US event. It certainly got some of the hazmat folks hopping.
I also remember the whodunnit European air scare mystery last November. I remain convinced there were no big local releases. … It's the Fuku duck quacking around the Northern Hemisphere and if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, flies like a duck… then we are all dead ducks.
BTW… The rest of that top ten event is now arriving west coast USA today via slower, lower ocean winds. HEPA time for the people interested in extending lifespans.
I am thinking that the radioisotopes came DOWN from higher levels in the atmosphere at South Bend. This is the stuff that is flying over our heads.
The distribution of this is irregular and there are thin long streams of high contamination blowing around up there. Occasionally it mixes down in a bubble. Usually it comes down in the rain.
Bobby1: Agreed. It was probably Fuku fallout. I wonder how much biological damage was done over that 2+ hour time period in South Bend? The birds seem to be chirping, but who knows? There could be a hundred birds dead out in the woods. What about the people, breathing 3,500 cpm air for 2+ hours?
Very conservative treatment of Fuku radiation risk to those near Fuku, but containing some good info: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12722435
The problem with such sources is that:
1. True levels of radiation are aways greater than those reported.
2. Radiation over the long term is more harmful than that estimated for a short duration.
3. The affect of many radio isotopes on the body is much more than the affect of any one.
4. The radiation dosage is only known long after exposure, so that evacuation or remediation is no longer an option.
In SBN, the air raid sirens should have gone off, and local TV and radio should have been on the air with pre-recorded radiation remediation information. Even if it was a false alarm. Instead, they all had a good laugh about the inquiries on the local evening news on 6/7/12.
…at levels above 3000, maybe 7000 …I would say 'most likely' not a good accessed risk level. Women and children, even higher risk. (my non-medical opinion)
If large numbers in that area get sick in the next 90 days, then we'll know with a bit more certainty. Otherwise it will be forgotten. (probably like numerous others over the years) If it takes 3, 5 or more years for illness' to present themselves then it will never be tracked or proven. Only that 'gut' feeling of not being quite sure.
I wonder if there were any planes 'flying' through this and if the their risk was any higher?
Bobby1: Many thanks for the new post. Some new material here. I've asked Admin to do a US/Canada thread on the South Bend Radiation Event of 6/07/12 based on Poterblog's analysis, and now including yours.
My first thought after watching the video is that, if his theory about the geiger counter getting saturated is correct, I think that would mean that the actual cpm were likely even higher than the numbers reported on the Radiation Network/Black Cat pages. The Radiation Network displayed numbers as high as 7000 cpm (for some reason the Black Cat ones were lower), but if you look at the charts on POTR blog's page, the curve actually seems to go up well past 8000.
I too wonder what the source of this cloud could have been. I find it hard to believe that such an intensely radioactive plume could have been emitted at one of the nuke plants in Michigan without somebody noticing it before it reached South Bend. I too have been wondering about ND's Radiation Lab. If it came from there, that would be quite disturbing. The Lab is located right next to ND's library (home of "Touch Down Jesus"–if the mural's now radioactive, perhaps they'll have to change its nickname to "Melt-Down Jesus"?–oops, does that count as banned "religious discussion"?). Notre Dame has an alert system for notifying students, faculty, and staff of emergencies–usually tornados–but no such alert was issued that night … so IF the origin of the plume was Notre Dame, there really ought to be h*ll to pay for the university (sorry, more verboten "religious" language) … there ought to be, but then ND has a considerable amount of "influence" in the area …
Even if the plume was from Fukushima, how can it be that it could travel so far across the continent before SOMEONE noticed? Bobby1's analysis is interesting. I just don't know much about how air (and other things) move in the upper atmosphere and why they happen to come down when and where they do. But I have learned since last spring that South Bend IS often right in the path of the jet stream. Go back and look at that awful plutonium transport model (or any other weather model from the first week that the plume was passing through), and you'll see a little finger of nasty air reaching right through South Bend on the map (wish I could have foreseen Fuku and understood about the jet stream before choosing to come to South Bend, but no such luck.)
Above all, I really wish we could have more information about the location of the monitor that detected this plume. I'd like to be able to get a better sense of just how far away from my place this thing might have been.
This event has made me realize just how vulnerable (and ultimately alone) we all are in facing fallout (from whatever source). No one is "looking out for us." The EPA proved its lack of concern for the public last March. We have "citizen" networks ostensibly doing the live monitoring that the EPA has failed to do, yet as soon as something anomalous appears, they simply assume that it was a malfunction and go into reassurance mode too, providing no further information and no evident follow up.
The Radiation Network did at least once display a CPM over 8,000. I saw it as I opened the page, but it refreshed right then, so I only know the first number was an 8 and it was a 4 digit number.
More from POTR blog page (questions and responses from comments section):
Nemo June 12, 2012 5:51 PM
Thanks for this video. I have a few questions. My first question has to do with the implications of the theory you discuss here. On the night of the alert, the Radiation Network screen showed numbers as high as 7000 cpm (I think it was cpm-for some reason the Black Cat numbers seemed lower). If it is true that the geiger counter that detected this very hot plume became saturated, that would mean that the actual total cpm would likely have been even higher than 7000 cpm, right? If I am understanding it correctly, the chart posted above seems to indicate that the total cpm might have gone up well past 8000 cpm. Is that correct?
Second, I have been trying to find out how to get from the cpm to some estimate of exposure in either mR or mSv, but I have been unable to find a clear explanation of how such a conversion could be made. I suppose it would really require knowledge of whether it was alpha, beta, or gamma (or how much of each), but do you have any sense of what kind of exposure in mRem or mSv might have resulted from this plume to someone caught outside in it?
Finally, given a plume like this, how effective would its radiation be in penetrating through buildings to irradiate people who are indoors as it passes? Would they get anything close to the level of exposure received by people outdoors, or would distance and shielding be likely to diminish it…
We've been told that the readings on the Blackcatsystems site are in uR/hr (despite what their charts say). We would be very hesitant to make dosage warnings for multiple reasons; primary among them is that we know next to nothing about the actual Geiger counter doing the detecting. The most accurate thing we can say is that the Geiger tube experience a radioactive field of greater intensity than it was designed to operate in.
With those provisos, and working with what we little we have, our estimate is that had the Geiger not saturated the blackcatsystem's chart would have peaked at 8,400 "CPM". We take that to mean the reading would have been 8.4 millirems/hr. A chest x-ray is about 10 millirems, of course there is a difference between having a chest x ray and inhaling the chest x ray machine.
Our best guess based on the area under the curve in the Weibull chart we used, is that the Geiger counter's exposure at the Geiger counter was about 21 millirems, about 2 chest x-rays. Of course the Geiger counter did not inhale anything, no telling what a person outside would have integrated into their body.
The DOE has a public exposure limit, from their operations, of 100 mR per year. So if the DOE where responsible for the event, they could do this about 4 more times without worrying about it.
… In the end, we don't have enough details to tell what the actual dosage was, but we wager there will be an upswing in miscarriages and birth defects within the next 9 months
Good question, Bubbha. As they say, "Out of sight, out of mind." I'm sure TEPCO is counting on our short-term attention spans kicking in, causing a collective amnesia. Spent fuel pool #4 who?
New "Fresh Air" interview on NPR with Kristen Iversen, author of the new book "Body Burden," about living in the shadow of Rocky Flats Nuclear plutonium manufacturing plant:
"Under The 'Nuclear Shadow' Of Colorado's Rocky Flats"
Describes how the FBI and EPA actually teamed up to investigate the DOE and Rockwell's collusion to circumvent and violent environmental laws all in the name of national security interests (i.e. building nuclear weapons.) The FBI actually raided Rocky Flats.
Hmm…wonder if such a scenario would be possible in today's climate…?
Kristen cautions people from visiting the soon-to-be opened new nature reserve there, saying that plutonium is still there in the environment, having leaked into the groundwater, and that two separate fires at the facility had carried plumes of plutonium to Denver as well…
Maybe they should call it the Rocky Flats Plutonium Reserve instead? /sarc
So why don't all commercial airline planes have a radiation detector? A massive *'Safecast' in the air.
If I were a pilot I would want to know if the cloud or air I was flying through was 'hot' or 'not'. And of course, for the protection of the passengers. Not to mention the maintenance crews who work on the engines. They might 'need' or want to know also.
* Safecast is a global sensor network for collecting and sharing radiation measurements to EMPOWER PEOPLE WITH DATA about their environments: http://blog.safecast.org/about/
ChasAha, it's probably because airline companies like Boeing use "depleted" (a.k.a. radioactive) uranium in the ballast of airplanes. It would likely create constant alarm signals:
Reassuring to know we are all exposed to depleted uranium when flying in a plane. So perhaps the analogies of "as much exposure as flying cross-country in an airplane" not only included exposure to the sun's UV radiation and radiation from fallout of weapons testing and nuclear explosions like Fuku and Chernobyl, but also the very material used to make airplanes.
Do the airline attendants and pilots know that planes are made with radioactive materials, to help the US keep our costs down of storage of radioactive materials?
Who comes up with these wacky ideas? And why are we letting them get away with such foolhardy actions???
Yes, some of the info at the links I provided talks about the effects of DU in the environment after airplane crashes (think the World Trade Towers, among others…) as well as exploded DU munitions aerosolizing the uranium and contaminating the environment and people (including soldiers) in the area that gets hit.
This is the insanity that Chris Busby describes in his research on the horrific birth defects being seen in Fallujia after being bombarded with depleted uranium munitions.
for the record i have taken my dosimeter on board flights.
normal levels are recorded on the ground. once in the air, the dosimeter alarm will go off as there is less protection from the atmospshere.
of course, this is the southern hemisphere tho. I can't speak for you northerners.
i can't recall exact numbers for being on board a plane while still on the ground. Note to self to check next time.
so, what i'm saying is, you would need a very delicate device (i'd imagine) to be able to seperate what kind of radiation you are experiencing at high altitude.
A Japanese lawyer, Kazuo Hizumi who regularly attended TEPCO press conference and gave TEPCO spokesman a hard time with his laser sharp questions have died today. You might wonder why I am telling you this but please bear with me.
His last email (dated only yesterday) to a professor reads, 'Please make TEPCO disclose information without a doubt.' and he further mentions about 'Aarhus Convention'.
It is about:
1) Access to information
2) Public participation in decision making
3) Access to justice
More info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aarhus_Convention
Basically, even a private company is responsible to disclose information if they are affecting the environment.
I think this piece of information is very important, not just for Japanese but for the rest of us. The nuclear energy industry is full of cover-ups and it is time that we put a stop to it!
Hizumi's email shows that he cared about Japan and the world till very last day of his life and I think his last words deserves to be known in the world. Rest In Peace ڿڰ☸
Thank you, Andii. Bless him for his heroic efforts. Do you know the cause of his death? I hope it was not foul play by the nuclear mafia.
I posted earlier how the FBI and EPA had actually teamed up years ago to investigate the environmental violations of Rockwell in their work for the DOE. A grand jury wanted to prosecute several DOE and Rockwell employees, but eventually were not punished as there was a settlement in which Rockwell only had to pay a fine.
Can justice be served in today's world? Now that access to information is more easily available? One can hope…and thanks in no small part to brave souls like this Japanese attorney, Mr. Hizumi.
Hi WATK, He was diagnosed with cancer last May and he was in remission. But he suddenly complained about pain yesterday and taken into hospital. I guess fortunate part in this sad circumstance is that he went quickly surrounded by good friends and family.
Will there be justice? It seems that darkness is everywhere but with or without victory, we can raise awareness of foul play if we use the law/convention as a part of our amu. We certainly have advantage of using instantaneous internet, social media etc.
Now I know, thanks to Mr Hizumi, private companies can't hide behind excuse of 'competitive, sensitive' information etc.
Compensation money is always handy but I'd rather have an access to clean water, air and food, those basic thing that we all deserve….and I want children to be able to play in safe environment and do normal children things like climb up the tree or play in the mud etc, not cooped up in a house with closed windows There are many things money can't buy.
Well said, Andii. All the money in the world can't give us back our clean, non-irradiated planet and the confidence that our children are playing in a completely clean environment, untouched by manmade nuclear radiation in our neighborhoods.
Given the truth in the sayings: "There is strength in numbers," and "Knowledge is power," I believe that because the masses now have so much access to information via the Internet, it is just a matter of time before truth and justice will prevail.
And those of us here at enenews, witnesses to what is really happening in the insane nukers world, will not let the truth be hidden any longer. We will remain vigilant and continue to spread the word until the last NPP is shut down and the last nuclear criminal has been tried in a court of law.
There is no going back to the Nuclear Dark Ages now.
hi WATK, Although our current situation seems dire but I still have hope and believe we can salvage the situation and put it back almost as good. But in order to achieve it, the madness has to stop immediately!
Yes, "strength in numbers". Let's tip the tipping point hey!
My profound appreciation to the Admin. The speed you publish latest news is at lightening speed. (So you know, I do click g ads even though I don't normally do that anywhere else ) Enenews is the best place to be!
1. Get an INSPECTOR ALERT and plug iot is and leave it on and send your results to the net, post the readings here. Don't waste money on anything less.
2. South bend IN release might have been from the lack of smiles at Notre Dame on a windless night, or stuff dropping out of the atmosphere. My question, where did it go next?
3. Remember that exposure is not the same as internal contamination. And that shutting down NPP worldwide still leaves thousands of reactors in labs, hospitals, and research, as well as the (un)safe deposits of N-waste throughout the planet. We would still have an almost irreversable situation on our hands, but at would be making less of the terrorists targets and n-waste byproducts.
4. france recycles it N-Waste to the US, and we recylce it into airplane parts and ballast? How interesting.
Anyone interested in the South Bend, IN radiation burst should watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jycRtJCTc7M
Gotta Nuke Problem? Call the NRC (Nuclear Redaction & Coverup)!
In the video, she claims that her geiger counter detected 42 microSv. She's in Michigan, so if that detection was genuine, that would lend credence to the Michigan nuclear plant event hypothesis.
But if elevated levels reached her in another part of Michigan (I don't think she's right near either of the plants in the state's southwest corner), how could it be that the plume that reached all the way to South Bend remained, apparently, relatively physically small and highly concentrated? I am surmising that it was physically not a very large cloud because it does not appear to have blanketed all of South Bend, since I could not detect any sign of it from the time I turned my geiger on at 1:30 until it passed (that's not to say that it couldn't have floated by BEFORE I turned it on, unfortunately).
Assuming this plume was genuine, SOMEBODY has to have information about it. I hope that eventually someone successfully uses the Freedom of Information Act to get access to that information (assuming it exists).
The lady in the clip does offer all the supporting info she has access to in the call she places to the NRC. Her main point of alarm is the huge reading in South Bend, IN that she saw on the Radiation Network at 1:30 AM. She even pulls up Intellicast to see the wind direction at that time, and thus offers the NRC a good guess as to the likely source – Palisades NPP in SW Michigan. The NRC seemed mostly interested in who SHE was, not in offering the slightest bit of info TO her – surprised?
Yes, she's in Michigan, I am too. She lives near where I grew up — in (SE Oakland County) the greater metro Detroit area. Currently, I live about 200 hundred miles north and a little east of South Bend.
I think she made an error when she reported 42 uSv/hr. That is very high. I figure she left off the decimal, so should have been 0.42 uSv/hr. Even that is a high reading – just look at what arclight has been reporting on the radiation monitoring forum. I don't usually monitor in uSv/hr, but instead in CPM; once in a while I use uSv/hr just to check. My highest readings in uSv/hr have been 0.175, but usually they are between 0.048 – 0.101 uSv/hr.
As an example: I did some readings of various cooking and eating utensils, and I had 2 very old mixing bowls that belonged to my grandmother. I suspected they had uranium glaze, and the 10 minute count on one was 12.80 total x 1000 — so 12,800 / 10 to get 1,280 CPM. I then checked in uSv/hr and it read 4.377 uSv/hr. The other bowl was smaller and read 11.23 total x 1000 [11,230] or 1,123 CPM and 4.112 uSv/hr. My GC is an Inspector Alert, and the data above can be found in the radiation monitoring forum.
Also, Bobby1 just posted a link in the radiation monitoring forum…
5.31 micro Sv/h, Hitachinaka Sea Side Park, "Vantage Hill" foot, ground level, June 2012
The recent South Bend, IN radiation burst really deserves its own thread, imo. There seems to be significant interest from the number of responses here, but they are so fractured that intelligent discussion is very difficult – Anyone agree?
@WATK No reply button available to your last post.
I agree with you completely regarding the TVA and International Uranium mining. In fact, it reminds me of another post I made recently relating to URENCO and the pursuit of young hearts and minds.
Thanks, Sue. Looks like you'd have had to reply to your own post to comment below mine.
I'll check out your link.
P.S. Have you read the 44 comments below the story you linked to on skf.blogspot? Wow, the idea of sending kids in harm's way for the manipulative purposes of good publicity really touched a lot of nerves! We are in good company.
Now that I think of it, I don't remember that many comments previously either. (Either its true, or radiation has addled my memory bank.) ;-D LOL
The comments are a hopeful reminder that most people have a good heart and truly love and care about our children. They are after all our hope for the future. Let's make sure we adults are doing everything in our power to insure they have a bright future to look forward to!
OMG, Sue, I just took a look at that Urenco link. Utterly appalling! How can these folks look at themselves in the mirror, knowing they so blatantly are trying to brainwash our kids!!??
…Just as we ourselves were brainwashed with the General Dynamic sponsored, Disney made (with the help of a former Nazi rocket scientist) "Our Friend, the Atom" as children:
TOKYO — A Japanese government panel is proposing to govern "influential, widely read news-related sites as newspapers and broadcasting are now regulated."
The government is also seeking to rein in some of the more unsavory aspects of the Internet, leaving in its wake, critics say, the censoring hand of government interference.
"This is treating people like machines, like so many cattle to be monitored and watched over," Kazuo Hizumi, a leading human rights lawyer, told BBC News.
Japan had a very poor record on human rights, privacy issues and consumer rights, said Mr Hizumi.
"Kazuo Hizumi was almost unique among reporters who flocked to Tepco news conferences to cover the crisis at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant. Doubting whether Tokyo Electric Power Co. and the government were disclosing enough information about how the catastrophe was unfolding, The Tokyo-based lawyer attended around 100 briefings at the utility through December and continued to put questions to company officials."
"Cattle farmer Masami Yoshizawa is desperate to get the word out that livestock in the no-entry zone around the stricken Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant can be saved"
Thank you, Richard, for helping to honor the memory of this amazing crusader for human rights and free speech.
The world has lost another hero.
I too cannot help but wonder if the radiation from Fukushima caused or at least sped up his death due to cancer. I have heard of so many people who were diagnosed this past year with cancer, only to die only months after the diagnosis. So surreal.
Yes, I am trying to remind myself of this each and every day: Seize the day as the saying goes. Carpe diem. (Remember the Dead Poet's Society film with Robin Williams?).
I was checking out one of your links and found this bit of disturbing news that happened on June 5, 2012. Apparently a kindergartner collapsed and died after a field day event at school:
"Kindergartner dies after collapse at school event "
June 5, 2012
"NORTON SHORES, Mich. (AP) — Counselors will be on hand at a West Michigan elementary school after a kindergartner collapsed on a playground during the school's field day events and died.
"The Muskegon Chronicle and WOOD-TV report the 6-year-old boy was unresponsive Monday afternoon at Churchill Elementary School in Norton Shores before being taken to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead. The cause of death wasn't known…"
/snip
I remember reading about so many athletes collapsing and dying this past year since Fukushima. And now even a kindergartner collapses after exercising?
It really makes you wonder if Fuku fallout radiation on the Jet Stream, or perhaps a local NPP radiation leak in Michigan or nearby states contributed to this poor child's death?
I hope more folks in the area get involved in the citizen's radiation monitoring effort.
Hi What about the kids. A reasonable person would have reason to believe that crime is about to occur, in the process of occurring, and/or has been and still is being executed. Your questions are legitimate.
Thanks for the clarification of the boy's cause of death. It is such a tragedy. My heart goes out to the boy's family.
Yes, obviously, not every collapse after exercise is due to radiation, but please excuse me if I can't help but wonder now, in our post-Fuku world, if exposure to Fuku fallout is the cause is for the rise in sudden deaths, heart attacks, strokes which many of us here have witnessed in our own circle of family and friends since 3/11.
It is a different world, for those of us who are aware.
@watk – you are well justified in questioning each case with our new status quo. This is the terrorism that the nuke industry leaves us with, but blithely ignores, scoffs at even.
it's very tragic, no matter what the cause.
on an 'editorial' note, i think it's a good idea to re search a topic – that's how I came across the second story. Then I will try and find the earliest date of an article. And in case of death, I try to wait for an autopsy or 'official' verdict before making a judgement call.
all that said, and without sounding paranoid, the rock is what we are told. whether that's the truth is another matter (although, highly probable, recalling my days as a child )
Coming from a medical background…actually im at work right now.
The fact they didnt say anything about "Attempted to start an airway" or trying to start Crico in his neck worries me. It could be a set of coincidents that happened though. From poor staff, to confusion.
Of course if the kid wasnt breathing for a while it wouldnt matter anyways. After 5 minutes your brain starts to shut down, and some of it never turns back on.
As to my post on radiation forcing him to eat the rock, it may be in poor taste to you. I ask you to come to the medical field where we see massive amounts of horrible trauma. You will find that joke funny real fast like.
Candlebox, while I do understand that humor (sick jokes included) can help relieve the incredible stress emergency medical workers undergo working with trauma victims, I just think this forum is not the appropriate place for a joke about the death of a child.
Imagine what his parents must be going through? Imagine if they stumbled upon your comment on this website…I'm sure they would not find it funny either.
Would you really joke about a dying child to your co-workers while you were administering life-saving medical aid to him or her?
That being said, I am assuming you were just trying to find some way to offer a bit of comic relief to an otherwise serious subject, so in that spirit, I can understand it was not meant with any hostility or mean-spiritedness. And with that, I offer you this olive branch…
My deepest sympathies to the boy's family. The reporting of this story is bizarre, imo. It is reported in the greatest detail, with no uncertainty over the boy's cause of death ("choking on a small stone"}, by the UK Daily Mail online, which a poster linked above. However, the story is earlier posted at http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/index.ssf/2012/06/child_dies_during_churchill_el.html
and the cause of death is a "mystery", even, apparently, to the EMTs who arrived to treat him and transport him to the hospital.
If you'll notice the date on the link you provided is June 4, the day this tragic incident happened. The link Richard posted from the UK's Daily Mail is from June 7. Of course there would be more details available a few days after the incident. What I find unusual is that this story made the Daily Mail…
Also in regard to dates, I must address your post found below in this thread:
"Censored clips at time of South Bend Radalert Event reported loud explosions and 60-ft tree limbs broken – I'm only a layman, but explosive clouds of hydrogen/tritium/oxygen from Palisades NPP would explain ALL these things, imho."
The loud booms and trees broken off happened on Sunday the 27th of MAY. The South Bend, Indiana high rad event happened late on 6 June early on 7 June.
Where did you get "explosive clouds of hydrogen/tritium/oxygen from Palisades NPP" from???
WEST MICHIGAN (NEWSCHANNEL 3) – People are buzzing over what could have possibly caused a loud boom and violent shaking last night and this morning throughout West Michigan.
The reports came in from people in Calhoun, Branch and Kalamazoo Counties.
People from all over say they felt and heard it, but Newschannel Three has only heard of one case of actual damage happening during the same time.
John Nieuwenhuis, who lives in Oshtemo, says that he…
says that he felt and heard the explosion, which shook his entire house.
"where the two trees are parallel and something completely scrapped both trees off at the same height and laid them to the west," said Nieuwenhuis.
Nieuwenhuis called the fire department but after extensively searching, they couldn't find the source of an explosion.
"I've never seen anything like this, we cut down trees, we log trees and what could have taken this down I have no idea," said Nieuwenhuis.
Newschannel Three tried to search into what might have caused the explosions but, it was a clear night and there was no earthquake activity reported anywhere in the Midwest.
Air Traffic Control in Kalamazoo says no planes were in the area that might have broken the sound barrier.
I live in Michigan, so these incidents were of local interest and on the news here. I may be more attentive to details like dates than you, and because I point that out, you reply with a snide remark.
There have been other booms in Michigan recently — in Alpena.
I happened to see a link from a known disifo agent — Sorcha Faal claiming, "last week an “intense” battle erupted in the US State of Michigan between military forces loyal to the Obama regime and American rebels that killed at least 380 men, women and children who had gathered to oppose their nations slide towards a totalitarian dictatorship." What bullshit. Of course, the piece went on to connect the Alpena booms with the one in SW Michigan as well as the high rad readings in Indiana last week.
Just look at the back of your left hand… the tip of your index finger — that's Alpena. Down by your wrist on the left side — that's South Bend Indiana. Roughly 400 miles apart.
Now, my point is that this kind of misinformation and fear mongering needs to stop.
Censored clips at time of South Bend Radalert Event reported loud explosions and 60-ft tree limbs broken – I'm only a layman, but explosive clouds of hydrogen/tritium/oxygen from Palisades NPP would explain ALL these things, imho.
The Palisades nuclear power plant is shut down. Officials at the plant removed it from service due to what is being described as a "small leak" in the plant's safety injection and refueling water tank. That tank holds as much as 300-thousand gallons of water that is used remove heat from the reactor's core in the event of a coolant accident and to increase "shutdown safety margin." It's not known how long the troubled facility will remain out of service. Palisades has been ranked by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission as one of the four worst nuclear plants in the nation.
Nuclear Event in USA on Wednesday, 13 June, 2012 at 05:40 (05:40 AM) UTC.
The Palisades nuclear power plant is shut down. Officials at the plant removed it from service due to what is being described as a "small leak" in the plant's safety injection and refueling water tank. That tank holds as much as 300-thousand gallons of water that is used remove heat from the reactor's core in the event of a coolant accident and to increase "shutdown safety margin." It's not known how long the troubled facility will remain out of service. Palisades has been ranked by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission as one of the four worst nuclear plants in the nation.
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So could such an event causes a signifiant radiation release? This report doesn't include the usual statement that nothing was released.
In recent days, a number of articles have been printed that assert that a grave danger exists at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear generating station…. These articles are highly deceptive. The occurrence of a cataclysmic release of radioactive material as surmised is hinged upon the occurrence of so many statistically impossible events that it is certain to be a practical impossibility. Since the assertions continue to gain a wider audience, however, it is necessary to examine them and make a realistic assessment of their likelihood.
Assertion 1: The spent fuel pools, particularly at Fukushima Daiichi No. 4 plant (1F-4), are liable to collapse-Since shortly after the Tohoku quake and tsunami, TEPCO has continually inspected the buildings at the site for physical integrity…
Assertion 2: The spent fuel pool at 1F-4 is in particularly dire structural condition
TEPCO has continuously monitored the 1F-4 building for damage…TEPCO has also constructed, as a result of structural studies performed on the building, a steel-reinforced concrete support beneath the spent fuel pool at this plant…TEPCO estimates, in fact, that the seismic safety margin of the 1F-4 building’s spent fuel pool is now improved 20 percent..
Assertion 3: The spent fuel in these plants’ spent fuel pools could ignite, leading to a massive radiological release
This assertion is patently false. First, it is important to understand that in order for the fuel to ignite, it has to get hot—and in its present condition, submerged in spent fuel pools with redundant cooling systems and filtration systems, constant remote temperature monitoring, backup generating and pumping systems in mobile units in place (on standby), and high reach concrete pump trucks on site (if necessary), there is no chance of the fuel heating up in any significant way while it is in the pools in the buildings…
So the author's refutations of #1 and #2 are almost completely based on claims made by TEPCO. Good thing they have such a sterling reputation for trustworthiness.
And then there's #3: "in order for the fuel to ignite, it has to get hot"
Funny, I thought the fuel WAS hot–that's why it needs to be constantly cooled–that's why the water has to be kept circulating, to carry away some of the heat–and of course this vital function is being carried out by a makeshift cooling system that was thrown together last spring and which is NOT seismically reinforced …
MIT, proudly funded by, and tools for, the nuclear power industry and DOE.
For some reason, this little childhood tune comes to mind:
"Liar, liar, pants on fire!"
How many times can they try to pretend none of the other thousands of scientific studies showing that exposure to low level radiation CAN and DOES affect the DNA of living things???
They must be hoping people will forget, so that their latest claims will supercede all the scientific proof that preceded their newest nuke industry CYA pronouncements…
I've come to see that these "no effects" studies are really simply for the purposes of propaganda.
If they get published those who know the research well will understand their limitations.
But the point of the research is NOT to persuade the informed.
The point of the research is to get cited by mainstream news, such as Science Daily and other such outlets directed toward popular opinion.
The goal is to make the public think that a significant increase in background radiation has no effect.
I bet some people somewhere are anticipating that significant increases in background radiation are going to be reported.
This MIT study is poisoning the well…
ML posted this interesting tidbit on another thread:
A study done on a population of people who lived in an area that was naturally more radioactive due to a concentration of radioactive phosphorus did not show outwardly apparent mutations. But when their mitochondrial DNA was compared with a population living with more usual rates of background radiation, then the patterns of damage that emerged. (http://www.pnas.org/content/99/21/13950.long Natural Radioactivity and Human Mitochondrial DNA Mutations by Forster, et al, 2002.)
So when the pro-nuclear data started being generated it was well before we knew about mitochondrial DNA, and well before we began understanding how mitochondrial DNA was more susceptible to even relatively low levels of natural radiation.
Exactly, Majia. It is up to us to call them on their deliberate obfuscation of the facts and continue to spread the truth to as many people as we can. Slowly but surely, the truth will out.
BUT, in fairness, here's an interesting one from their page:
"Biotech start-up develops lotion to block radiation"
"A Utah biotech firm has developed seemingly simple solutions to rather high-tech and potentially harmful problems. BloXR (pronounced BLOX-er) — a Salt Lake City start-up company — has created two products aimed at better protecting medical professionals and patients from radiation exposure, including a lotion that blocks X-rays…
The lotion uses bismuth oxide to create a ceramic material that has the same effectiveness as typical lead-based radiation protection, but without the added toxicity and weight…
…the lotion is meant to be applied over the entire hand and covered by a latex glove, allowing full dexterity by the doctor or other medical professional as they perform procedures…
I don't know, but on the page where the article is they have a copy of an X-ray image that supposedly contrasts a patient's hand (without the cream) and the doctor's hands (with the cream).
yeah i seen that, but we know that a plastic bag will stop alpha from being detected by your geiger.
Would be good to test at higher doses then the low dose they used for that image. Be nice to see how much it will block. Im sure you could work it into a soap.
I need to finish my aquaphonic greenhouse first before i start testing clay.
Understanding that radiation is accumulative, is there a certain thresh hold of contamination that is set?
Im sure eventually everything storebought will be contaminated. Just wondering how long we have untill food/ground water contamination gets us. Those aquifers run for miles and miles…
If it's an x-ray, it must be much more penetrating than the alpha that can be blocked by plastic. I wonder if the idea for this cream was inspired by the mineral-based sunscreens.
I've been assuming food in the stores is contaminated since last spring/summer. I've been looking into hydroponics. Aquaponics is very intriguing, though I don't have room and don't eat fish.
Yes it is penetrating, but imaging and fukushima are apples and oranges.
Imaging is absorbed, but it is filtered with aluminum in the tube housing. This causes mostly long wave radiation to pass through the body which is not absorbed. Short wave goes about an inch in, stops, and is absorbed by the cells.
Which is why i would want to test it at high doses. If it can block high amounts then i might be beneficial to our cause. I am not sure of the "Hotness" of radioactive particles in comparison to radiation imaging.
But being a lotion will cause the particles to cling to the skin as well if you think about it. This makes low dose Alpha external. You cant change your skin like you can a contaminated t-shirt.
I dont eat fish either, but if you can reduce your biaccumulation by having a semi contained enviroment, then im sure you will add another 5 years on your life.Besides, I would rather eat fish than bugs.
You can also do it inside your house. Along the windows and such. Or even with UV bulbs.
"But being a lotion will cause the particles to cling to the skin as well if you think about it. This makes low dose Alpha external. You cant change your skin like you can a contaminated t-shirt."
Good point, Candlebox. I will wait to hear how they will find a "work around" for that…(I remember all the hype several years ago about the new! nano-sized particles used for better absorption of sunblock. Not sure what they were thinking…Why would anyone want to absorb potentially toxic chemicals even further into their skin and bloodstream? Yikes!)
Speaking of Anne, has anyone heard from her lately?
Anne, I've been thinking of you and hoping you're safe and not being affected by the out-of-control fires near Fort Collins. I saw a photo yesterday of the smoke plumes hovering over Denver.
Please check in and let us know you are ok, ok? Take care.
Hey andii, good find! They got nerves, don't they? If they succeed, the taxpayer will have to pay for it – fueling the ongoing PR machinery which wants to convince us the renewables are too expensive….
And they unfortunately will get that money because they relied on german laws that were made by themselfs and their puppets. It is unbelievable, but that is what will be the verdict "in the name of the people"… Merkel made this "end of nuclear" so dilletantish that they get our money either way. And we also will pay hundreds of years in the future for the disposal of all their waste.
"The operator of the stricken Fukushima nuclear plant has been dumping something like a thousand tons per day of radioactive water into the Pacific ocean." – Washington's Blog
A thousand tons = 239,650 gallons a day.
As far as I can tell all the oceans and seas are connected, therefore, there is only one ocean, on this one planet.
The majority of all living things live in it or because of it.
They knew it was wrong when they invented it. They knew it could go wrong when they built it. They knew it would eventually happen when they started it. In the end they knew they did it because they wanted to prove they could do it and damn every living thing.
AND DAMN EVERY LIVING THING.
TO THOSE WHO KILLED OUR MOTHER -
WE of Planet Earth in unison on the 11th of every month, Raise our finger to salute your accomplishments.
Let every nation, every tribe and people joint the one finger salute, to remember what they have done.
8:05am EDT Tried to post this to WSJ blog…doesn't show up
"The End ?"
When the SFP at #4 reactor is breached and the resulting radioactive firestorm ensues, half of the Island of Honshu will have to be evacuated. Thousands in Japan will die within days, weeks and months from radiation poisoning. It will be a global catastrophe of epic proportions, contaminating the northern hemisphere, resulting in tens of millions of deaths. No country will be spared. Following the jet stream blowing west, the US and Canadian coasts will be the most hard hit/contaminated. The entire US and Canada will not be spared.
There are reports that the Japanese government has been in talks with China and Russia discussing the potential of evacuating 40 million people, and the associated logistics. Some predict this event will collapse the economy of Japan, and destroy the fortunes of many of its trading partners.
Your chance of being irradiated from Fukushima (past, present, future) is extremely high/likely. And, as each day ticks bye, we get closer to a radiological firestorm that will make Chernobyl look pale as to what is unfolding. Those of us, who will not be exposed to radionuclides, will be the exceptions.
You will inhale it, eat it, or have skin exposure. And, it will metastasize into a cancer sometime in your life. Your DNA will be corrupted; and, if you procreate, you will pass your damaged genes on to the next generation, and each generation thereafter.
continued…
Radiation levels in the western US and Canada will be extreme as to cause some radiation poisoning in small segments of the population resulting in premature biological extinctions. Food stuffs grown and produced in California and other western states will be too contaminated to pick, and/or consume. All products from Japan should be suspect as to their potential, to be radioactive.
Adding more radiation to the atmosphere and the ocean, Japan is incinerating millions of tons of radioactive debris, and then dumping the ash in Tokyo Bay. Incineration doesn’t remove radiation; this process off gases radionuclides into the air, and the other radionuclides are concentrated in the ash. Incineration of radioactive debris only serves as a volume reducer. There is no method to remediate radioactive isotopes except to remove them from humankind.
TEPCO has admitted to dumping 1000 tons a day of radioactive water…(240,000/GPD or close to 1,000,000 million gallons every 4 days) Historically, TEPCO has fudged and misrepresented its actual discharge rates. Many experts believe these numbers have been significantly understated. The radioactive sea plume has reached Hawaii and should reach the US in less than 6 months. Sea water evaporates, clouds form that produce rain, adding another level of contamination to the atmosphere and land. Additionally, some approximately 50,000,000 tons of construction debris is headed our way, expected to hit the US and Canadian continued…
coasts in the next 6 months. Much of it will be dangerously radioactive.
This will be the beginning of the end for millions of people, and a mass corruption of the *gene pool for man and all other living creatures and plants. This will be the end of nuclear power, too; but, it will be the end of many of us, consequently.
It’s not a question of if; it’s just a matter of when.
If you think those who created this nuclear power electricity scheme will be able to contain Fukushima; think again. The same folks who got us into this mess, are the ones charged with fixing it…WTF? Remember the Deepwater Horizon and how the offender BP was left to be the fixer…insanity.
Yes…good doomsday reporting Cisco Kid…one correction from Pancho:
CK sez…"Following the jet stream blowing west"
SP: America is east of Japan and the jetstream blows east.
If it blew west the Chinese would be Fukooed first. But the typhoons will bring them some in the coming months.
Meanwhile we are Fukooed today…my skies looked like the radioactive haze from Hell and it also rained earlier (sucky way to bring down the June day emissions from Fukushambles).
The Institute of Medicine in the U.S. recently released its comprehensive review of environmental causes and risk factors for breast cancer.
This should be news: The report, Environmental Causes of Breast Cancer and Radiation From Medical Imaging, published in this week’s Archives of Internal Medicine, found that “none of the consumer products (i.e. bisphenol A, phthalates), industrial chemicals (i.e. benzene, ethylene oxide), or pesticides (i.e. DDT/DDE) considered could be conclusively linked to an increased risk of breast cancer.”
Instead, what the institute found was an association between breast cancer and ionizing radiation, as well as a link between breast cancer and postmenopausal hormone replacement therapy (HRT).
How DARE the American Cancer Society continue to sell women on the need to get yearly mammograms??? It is offensive and unconscionable, in light of all this recent evidence being released in the news.
It is a HUGE business, with women being cajoled and bribed into getting their mammograms at "spa-like" imaging centers designed just for them. Get pampered while you get cancer! Sounds like a great idea, ladies…(NOT!)
It's the American CANCER Society, WATKids. If cancer rates don't keep going up, they don't have jobs. Cancer accounts for the most effective tool for separating people from their money the oligarchy ever stumbled upon. Cancer accounts for a surprisingly large chunk of the actual economy, not just 'health care' industry and supports.
Rates are expected to go up to 1:2 by 2030. How high they CAN go is the open question, since some people will always die of something else first. There's Big Bucks in cancer. Don't think the profiteers haven't noticed.
Eewww…that is just so frighteningly insidious, JoyB. I wonder though: Is it truly a concerted effort (a.k.a. "conspiracy") or is it just a bunch of (independently) over-zealous, greedy folks foaming at the mouth as they see their patient list growing exponentially, and thus their bank accounts? Job security at its finest. Sigh…
Does it have to be a pre-planned effort for it to be equally as awful that people are profiting from the suffering of others? Or that people are DYING because (in America, land of the free and brave), they can no longer afford health care insurance? (And why do they continue to call it "care" when all the insurance companies seem to "care" about are their profits?)
Whatever it is, either by design or "luck" of the relatively few who benefit from citizens' ill health, it is truly SICK and, it bears repeating, a MORAL MALIGNANCY.
If my visit today to the doctor's is any indication, we are in serious trouble here in Western Washington. I have been to this medical facility numerous times, but NEVER have I seen the parking lot overflowing as I did this morning. Where are all these people coming from and why are they at their doctor's?
I think I don't want to know the answer to that question…
There is in fact vast knowledge of thousands upon thousands of carcinogenic compounds in our environment (all around us and in us all the time), cumulative over decades, even in the gated McMansion communities and not just dumped on poor folks out in the boonies.
Once a food additive, household, agricultural or industrial chemical is approved by the FDA – an entirely political/money operation – it can take decades before enough evidence amasses to get it banned. That's a political act too. It always takes some time for any type of carcinogen to cause cancer clusters enough to set off alarms. And it's usually too late to mitigate the harm done by the time that particular cause is identified. Every carcinogen eventually banned is replaced by ten more. So the cancer rate rise over time over the past century was entirely predictable. The rise from here [2010 odds 1:3] is entirely predictable too.
I don't think there's an Evil Mastermind cackling over each new contribution to our slow and ugly demise. I do there there are Evil Little-minds out there willing to deal death in order to be rich/important. Enough to add up to one severely challenge to the existence of life on planet earth. I include polluters of all varieties here. They're banking on "Remission in a Bottle" for themselves, and genetic engineering for their progeny. They don't care about the rest of us at all. Never did.
Truly frightening to try and wrap one's mind around all of the carcinogens we've managed to dump into our environment over the years.
What is the solution that will end this seemingly endless polluting…without simply waiting for the "Tipping Point" to do us all in?
It seems our schools need to teach our future citizens how to see the Bigger Picture of how each of our small actions has an effect on the larger world. We need to be taught to think before we act. We need to realize that finding "clever" ways to circumvent environmental regulations to skate by so we may dump yet another not-yet-regulated carcinogen into our environment is hurting us ALL, including the polluter and their family and future generations.
Who is regulating the regulators? Congress? Who is regulating Congress? Supposedly the people, with our votes? Then why do we allow them to get away with continuing to accept bribes from corporations and their lobbyists and the PAC men??? Who is regulating THEM???
Time to clean house, literally and figuratively…but where to start? The problem is huge. But we need to start somewhere. Awareness and education are keys to help begin addressing these problems. Without them, it will just be more of the same myopic, self-serving greedy folks eyeing at their next big "deal" to come along, until they too, succumb to the very ecocide they have precipitated.
They sound like IEAE apologists, but they did think fit to include this:
"Pursue post-Fukushima Action Plan for nuclear safety, including IAEA emergency preparedness and response"
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Unleashing the Nuclear Watchdog: CIGI study commends IAEA but proposes strengthening and reform
The Palisades nuclear power plant is shut down. Officials at the plant removed it from service due to what is being described as a "small leak" in the plant's safety injection and refueling water tank. That tank holds as much as 300-thousand gallons of water that is used remove heat from the reactor's core in the event of a coolant accident and to increase "shutdown safety margin." It's not known how long the troubled facility will remain out of service. Palisades has been ranked by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission as one of the four worst nuclear plants in the nation.
Rad Network Late Night [JUNE 10] 80 CPM in Minnesota. Held upper 70's for several hours throughout the late evening. This looked 'out of place' to me and it continued to be the highest reading in the country for quite some time.
If you or anyone else is so inspired, you might check Intellicast to see which way the wind is blowing from Palisades NPP. The goal, of course, is to remain upwind of any "troubled" NPPs. I see a great growth opportunity for Winnebago and a new alerting app for smartphones…
Good find, ChasAha! I have been watching RN on an off for quite awhile, but never saw MN go that high.
Perhaps it was a case of one of those "stealth releases" of excess radioactive steam by their local nuclear waste generating station (a.k.a. Nuclear Power Plant), as Arclight and others here have postulated are regular occurrences in the nuke industry under the cover of night, or strong storm fronts moving through, etc., etc…?
Hmm…anyone here from that area who might be able to shed some light on this?
Municipal governments in areas devastated by the Great East Japan Earthquake are now being affected by another crisis–a severe manpower shortage, according to a Yomiuri Shimbun survey.
In a recent survey of 42 cities, towns and villages in the three worst-hit prefectures–Iwate, Miyagi and Fukushima–the Yomiuri found that large numbers of municipal employees took early retirement after the March 11, 2011, disaster, with many suffering from mental fatigue."
Xcel Energy confirms that operators at Prairie Island Nuclear Generating Plant declared an alert at 3:53 a.m. Thursday after workers discovered sodium hypochloride, commonly known as chlorine bleach, leaking from a tank in the screen house. The chemical is used to treat water that is brought into the plant for cooling.
NRC spokeswoman Viktoria Mitlyng says the tritium concentration was well below the level the Environmental Protection Agency allows for drinking water and did not pose a health risk to workers or the community. She says the utility isn't required to report such small releases but does so as a courtesy.
"Japan’s nuclear energy authority and the country’s space agency Tuesday announced a joint project to develop a drone to measure radioactivity in the environment after last year’s nuclear disaster.
Japan has been forced to invent or improve systems for measuring radioactive contamination since a 9.0-magnitude quake and tsunami in March 2011 sparked the world’s worst nuclear crisis in a generation at the Fukushima nuclear plant.
Remote-controlled helicopters have been used but are not suitable for remote and mountainous territory as they have to fly low and the operator has to be able to see the aircraft, the Japanese Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) said.
But unmanned aircraft could fly at higher altitudes over potentially contaminated areas, resolving the issue."
SP: Of course that will make the detection levels so much more worthless measuring hundreds of feet above the really contaminated ground soil. Brilliant idea Yoshihiko!
Antinuclear civic group submits 7.48 million signatures to lower house speaker
YES, THATS 7.48 MILLION SIGNATURES!
"Where on earth is the people's will and democracy, if they do not listen to the voice of 7.5 million…let us once again turn our eyes to those people who remain in Fukushima as well as those who were forced to leave there," said writer Keiko Ochiai, another activist leading the group.
Wow! Thanks for sharing this great news, Jebus! Yes, and if 7.48 million signatures on a petition won't wake the gvt up, I'm sure that having the petition's signers (signatories) show up on their doorstep in protest will.
I am sure there are analysts who tell TPTB when they need to listen to the will of the people, when it reaches a certain critical mass, or risk anarchy and revolt. Sounds like this may be a good time for them to pay close attention or…else.
Crossing my fingers that finally, their gvt pays attention and acts according to the will of a majority of the citizens of Japan this time.
The world is watching…
In the words of The Talking Heads ("Life During Wartime"):
"This ain't no party, this ain't no disco,
this ain't no fooling around
This ain't no Mudd Club, or C. B. G. B.'s,
I ain't got time for that now"…
Japan: Ignorance and/or Dishonesty of "Energy Experts"
Weapons of Disinformation
The most common item in this process of manipulating the public discussion in favor of a vested interest has been the publishing of studies and reports by private "scientific" institutes. These papers by so-called "energy experts" are disguised as objective scientific assessments of the current situation and future developments.
Studies and other papers published by these institutes might seem like quality work at first, but people with some background knowledge soon notice irritating errors and a strong bias in a certain direction. The so-called "energy experts" who write these papers are utilizing rather unsound methods of arranging selectively collected data and quotes from other studies (some of which were conducted in the same way) in order to reach a pre-determined conclusion.
I call these kinds of studies weapons of disinformation because their sole purpose is to convince the public and industrial and political leaders who might not have enough subject knowledge to notice the bias.
+The Oregon Parks and Recreation Department has received six bids to remove the derelict dock at Agate Beach. ……
+If practical, we encourage you to remove the debris and recycle as much of it as possible. Use your judgment — if you see a significant amount of debris or anything you think might be related to the tsunami, send an email with the date, location and photos to beach.debris@state.or.us……..
+ Derelict vessel or other large debris item. Examples: Adrift fishing boat, shipping containers.
Contact 911. If the debris is a hazard to navigation, contact the US Coast Guard Pacific Area Command at 510-437-3701 for assistance. Do not attempt to move or remove vessels.
+ Mementos or possessions. Examples: Items with unique identifiers, names, or markings.
If an item can 1) be traced back to an individual or group and 2) has personal or monetary value, contact the department at 1-888-953-7677 or by email at beach.debris@state.or.us so we can make appropriate arrangements for return of items to Japan.
+ Potential hazardous materials. Examples: Oil or chemical drums, gas cans, propane tanks.
Call the National Response Center at 1-800-424-8802 to report the item with as much information as possible. Do not touch the item or attempt to move it.
If you didn't see my post earlier this week about the inventor of the term China Syndrome (Dr. Ralph Lapp) then I suggest you take a few minutes to watch the rare archived footage of his interview conducted by Mike Wallace in 1957. Many fascinating similarities between today's nuclear crisis and the one Dr. Lapp was on a crusade for in 1957 (he was one of the first anti-atomic bomb scientists and was one of the original builders of the atomic bomb).
He warns Americans about fallout patterns, destruction of male sperm from fallout (he suggested a sperm bank to insure the survival of the human race to Congress), and the impossibility of proving fallout radiation kills 50,000 people with future cancers. It is a big deja vu moment to see nothing essentially has changed in 55 years.
One segment I liked:
WALLACE: Now, you dropped your scientific research several years ago to go on a kind of a crusade to warn against the perils of radiation. Are you doing this and do other scientists do this, perhaps, to salve a guilty conscience for having helped to create this destructive power?
LAPP: That's a really deep question, Mike. I have been talking with a very famous scientist yesterday. He explained something of what I am — he said: "You're a 'mutant'." (LAUGHS) I guess I am kind of a mutant."
[Excerpted] "An international study program on nuclear energy and the Fukushima accident has begun in Tokai village, north of Tokyo.
Engineers from countries mainly in Asia and Africa are taking part in the Nuclear Energy Management School. The program is sponsored by the International Atomic Energy Agency…."
[end excerpt]
This is very strange.
Anne and Bobby1 have been warning us about the Tokai nuclear reactor complex.
Is Tokai village the same place as the where the reactors are in Tokai?
If so, this training exercise may be a cover for a very big problem in Tokai? Japan has a breeder reactor there.
Bobby this is relevant to your comment above:
Bobby1
June 11, 2012 at 12:56 pm • Reply
Gamma-analysis of airborne particulates sampled in Youzhno-Sakhalinsk town at March – April 2011 http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1203/1203.4879.pdf
Once again, thallium-208 found, and the thorium series. This comes from separation of uranium from plutonium. You would not expect this to come from Fuku. I believe it means that either Rokkasho or Tokai melted down, exploded or leaked… or else there was something funny going on, isotope separation, at Fuku.
Bobby1
April 24, 2012 at 10:49 am Log in to Reply
The excess amount of noble gases released from Japan indicates at least one other meltdown has occurred. The inventory of noble gases from Daiichi was completely gone after 5 days. But xenon and krypton was still being released after that.
"After Hitachi went into reactor 4 in the end of August, the rumor spread that reactor may have exploded."
The huge spike in radiation in rain that occurred in August suggests that Daini #4 may be responsible: http://i42.tinypic.com/js20lw.jpg
This amount of radiation dwarfs Daiichi by comparison.
According to statements made by the plant operator and government:
A fire Tuesday partially burned the ceiling of a building housing a nuclear reactor
In Tokai, Ibaraki Prefecture [About 100 km south of Fukushima meltdowns]
At around 9:30 a.m.
Extinguished two hours later
110-sq.-meter area of glass-fiber acoustic absorbent covering the ceiling was burned
There was no change in the airborne radiation levels inside and outside the building
majia, oh you found it. The noble gases in reactors 1-3 were completely emitted. This is supposedly 3 times the amount from Chernobyl. Chris Busby says it is 9 times Chernobyl:
Bobby1, when you say "completely emitted," how does one know this? Do noble gases persist even after an explosion if there are coriums still burning hot or recriticality in spent fuel pools, etc.?
What is still releasing noble gases? Chernobyl? Fuku? Fuku #2 at Diani? Or? Do you have a link to recent measurements of these noble gases in the atmosphere in Japan (or elsewhere?)
WATK, "completely emitted" was quoted in a couple scientific articles which I can't find at the moment. Tepco has said #2 is still emitting krypton (as of a month ago or so) and xenon as of last November at earliest. These should be on the Tepco site somewhere.
I just found this excellent resource, a website of a consultant on environmental radiation, Dr. Ian Fairlie, in the U.K. (I'm assuming Arclight already knows about him)
Dr. Fairlie's post about the spikes in releases of noble gases at NPPs during refueling periods, and how such spikes could create an even greater number of cancers during these releases:
He also has a fascinating report entitled "Tritium: The Cause of Leukemias?", on how the dangers of tritium have been grossly under-estimated/reported. Here it is in a downloadable .pdf format:
To add insult to injury, it appears that the American taxpayer is likely to be funding this North American/Japanese exchange programme which is sending children from 40 American schools to clean up in Fukushima.
hi Sue, I have a feeling that they receive some kinds of fund that they can't pull out because of financial reason.
My stats tell me a story and other impression I got from… Don't really want to discuss it in public.
So sad. As if Japanese children's misery isn't enough…children from the world has to join in.
The only way to stop is to directly contact the schools and parents to see if they really know what they are getting themselves into. Even then, I'm sure there will parents that say 'yeah fine, my child can go to Japan, we won't have the money to send them to aborad so this is an opportunity' blah blah blah…. death sentence. I think natural selection is occuring.
Hi Andii. Wouldn't that be the ultimate cynical act, being "obligated" for financial reasons to follow through with sending kids into possible harm's way?
What about being obligated for ETHICAL and MORAL reasons to STOP this fool-hardy and unconscionable attempt on the part of the Japanese gvt to use children as their PR instruments, to help them put a "happy face" on a gravely serious situation.
How about instead channeling their energy, money and desire to help by helping some of the posters here at Enenews who live in Tokyo and have children and wish to evacuate to save their lives?
NedlifromVermont mentioned having undeveloped property in Vermont which could be developed into an evacuation area for some of the Japanese families. This would be a wonderful use of one's time and resources, actively working to bring families to safety.
Iori of http://www.Fukushima-Diary.com has a section on his website helping people connect who are wanting to evacuate or to help evacuees. This is another good place to put one's focus and efforts.
Hi WATK, As you probably know by now, it's not the first time, people and children has been sacrificed in exchange of money. Children are used as a part of the PR spin, just as they are using children as guinea pigs for the human experiment project called 'just how much radiation can they take: feed them as usual'. I don't know this lady so only time will tell which path is to be selected.
Problem with the evacuation community abroad is simply visa. They can only stay upto 6 months on a tourist visa, then what? Go back to Japan? That's not what they want. They want a permanent solution because they know this is going to be a long battle. Furthermore, a source of regular income is problem too as most of them don't speak English. Those that can speak English have left the country.
But I think even 1 month or 6 months break from contaminated food, water and air would give body a time to recover. There is a Japanese woman, Ms Noro from Hokkaido, who has been committed to bring children from Belarus to Japan all these years since the Chernobyl accident. Sick children got a bit of break from contamination. But now this has happened, I'm not sure if she's continuing. If there wasn't a visa problem, things would have been much easier.
Hi Andii. I'm sure Megan has nothing but good intent in her heart, wanting to show friendship and support to the children of Japan. What the PR gurus working for the Japanese gvt have in their hearts? Only they can say…likely, they are as disinformed as the next guy about the real dangers of radiation exposure and the true amounts of radiation that have been spread across Eastern Japan and beyond…
Yes, I imagine that for the evacuees, even having a 6 month break from the stress and exposure could buy them time to regroup and come up with Plan B. Perhaps host families or organizations working with the evacuees can help them work on solutions, like finding employment, language classes, etc..?
As I like to say, "Where there's a will, there's a way." I like to believe there are solutions to every problem. We just need to find the right resources which can help with finding those solutions.
Hi Sue. In my conversation with Megan, who is helping organize the trip, she said they were working with the U.S. and Japanese gvts. to insure the kids were going to "safe" areas. I told her the Japanese gvt had raised the official "safe" levels because the contamination is just too great and too widespread. I told her it was a PR effort on behalf of the Japanese gvt. and gave her this website address to help better inform herself.
It will be up to her to follow through. She did seem receptive to learning more…
We can only hope she will do the right thing, as these kids are counting on and trusting the adults who are responsible for their well-being to keep the, safe and out of harm's way.
The LAST thing any of us would want to have to say is an 'but we warned you' AFTER the fact, should (God forbid) any child become ill from radiation contamination after such a trip.
Like most folks, I just want to make sure we adults act as responsibly as possible to protect our children and ensure they have a bright future and healthy environment in which to grow and thrive.
It is our duty to think about the children first and foremost.
Hi WATK
Like Andi said, my plan was to try and contact the schools directly, just to make sure that the message arrived. However, I was unaware that schools in the US were closing this week so if the relevant teachers are unavailable, I will speak directly with the Principals. I also plan to make a follow up call to Megan. Will let you know the outcome.
I've also noticed that a couple of the other sites have picked up on this too. Good news.
Cheers
Wonderful! Go get 'em, Sue! I didn't realize some other sites have picked up on this issue too. Good work! The more we spread the word, the more parents will become aware of the truth about what is happening in Japan.
I'll be staying tuned for updates! I gave Megan my email as well, so I'll let you know if I hear back from her too.
How about contacting local newspapers or radio stations and see if they are sympathetic to this catastrophic plan? If they have a heart, may be they will say something. I don't know…just racking my brain for ideas. Problem is knowing which schools, how many are involved?
The problem with contacting MSM outlets is that this project has the official backing of two gvts. Most editors are clueless when it comes to the truth about Fuku, so likely they have already slotted time and space in their papers for such a "feel good" story about kids reaching out in international friendship (which is in and of itself a good thing, if the children would not risk being exposed to radiation contamination.)
It may be an uphill battle going that particular route…though one could certainly try and seek out those individual reporters who might be more receptive to reporting this side of the story…
You've got to question why, govt don't fund the local people but so enthusiastic to financially support and invite the young foreigners to the country. The simple answer is PR, not because they want the kids' help. They have enough people in the country to help their own people who speaks the language. I don't mean kids are useless and the trip could have been a wonderful opportunity if it weren't for the radiation & SFP4.
Also, why don't govts give rescue money to one organisation but favours another? I bet you, if you present your idea to bring Japanese families over to your country, you won't be funded. So does the organisation that got funding have a special connection with TPTB with the same vision? People smile and says that they are concerned therefore they are doing a wonderful thing to the humanity. Look at Bill and Belinda or even Hillary. Sure, they can smile with intent.
For those who sent some info, do you know if it has even been looked at? This is the digital age and there is a way to know without you having to ask whether they have or not.
The idea of this trip is a very serious matter, life or death.
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Gamma-analysis of airborne particulates sampled in Youzhno-Sakhalinsk town at March – April 2011
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1203/1203.4879.pdf
Once again, thallium-208 found, and the thorium series. This comes from separation of uranium from plutonium. You would not expect this to come from Fuku. I believe it means that either Rokkasho or Tokai melted down, exploded or leaked… or else there was something funny going on, isotope separation, at Fuku.
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Bobby1,
I was intrigued by a statement from Robert Alvarez referring to SEVEN reactors at Fuku, which led to my post at
http://enenews.com/tepco-dump-groundwater-reactor-buildings-ocean-kyodo-1000-tons-day-tepco-check-contamination-level-before-releasing/comment-page-1#comment-238544
The responses are also, shall we say, "unsettling"?
Here's a trivia question: "How many reactors are there at San Onofre?" Congrats if you answered "THREE" (#1 was 'decomissioned' in the 1990's)
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There are supposed to be 6 reactors at Daiichi, but who knows. There has been speculation that experiments were going on there, it's possible… also the MOX itself in #3 might not actually be regular MOX. Emissions from a reprocessing plant would include all kinds of dangerous exotic isotopes, some rival plutonium in toxicity. I don't think all the radiation can be explained by 3 meltdowns and 4 spent fuel pools.
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The scarcity of uranium plus the abundance, residual energy and transport danger of high-level waste would seem to make on-site reprocessing irresistible to any burgeoning empire, no?
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latest news release on dock washed ashore at agate beach oregon
http://www.newslincolncounty.com/?p=53424
still no definition on what negative radiation means
world may want to take notice of how the uneducated curious
respond – 1000's flocking to see, touch, feel, wonder from Japan
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Atomic ‘Agnostic’ Named For U.S. NRC Ties Industry Growth To Aid
By Katarzyna Klimasinska – Jun 10, 2012 9:00 PM PT
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-11/atomic-agnostic-named-for-u-s-nrc-ties-industry-growth-to-aid.html
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Published On: Mon, Jun 11th, 2012 World News | By 4thmedia.org
The real reason for America’s Southeast Asian projection (radiation of northern hemisphere)
http://spyghana.com/world-news/the-real-reason-for-americas-southeast-asian-projection-radiation-of-northern-hemisphere/
Kind of a strange article, but ……
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[from the above]
"There is concern that a series of attacks on Iranian nuclear installations will create a Chernobyl-like radioactive cloud that would be caught up in monsoon weather in the Indian Ocean."
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POTR blog update regarding South Bend alert:
"ALERT! Indiana High Radiation Event Likely True Occurrence"
http://pissinontheroses.blogspot.com/
They say they will post a video that goes into more detail soon
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If the machines (geigers) malfunctioned do they typically malfunction in this way….the readings climbed steadly higher then come down? Is this a typical event. I would think if the machine malfunctioned it would not register a high reading in the presences of radiation not the other way around. How could a geiger malfunction in this way….a very high false reading? What could cause this kind of malfunction?
There are a LOT of holes in this story.
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In a previous video, POTR blog suggests that, if it was a malfunction, the readings would have been a flat line instead of gradually going up and later going down.
I didn't measure anything in my apartment in town, but POTR blog points out it could have been a small but concentrated plume that only hit certain places.
This event drives home the extent to which we are largely on our own and at the mercy of extremely imperfect information when it comes to making decisions in response to such alerts.
I only turned on my geiger counter after learning about the alert around 1:30 am, but it apparently began around 11:30 pm, so I'm left wondering if it floated past my place before my detector was turned on. I'm starting to think it might be worth looking for some kind of monitor that could be left on 24/7 (I'm afraid to leave the Inspector on all the time for fear it would burn it out). If anyone knows of an affordable monitor that can be left on all the time, I'd welcome hearing about it.
The other thing that occurs to me is that, if such a concentrated cloud of radioactivity floated through South Bend in the early morning hours, it likely floated over other areas as people were setting out of their way to work or school/camp, etc. But those people had even less of a heads up that such a thing was in the air, since the only alert that went off was for South Bend. We know this stuff doesn't evaporate, so it had to go somewhere after leaving Indiana.
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If it was real, I can't help suspecting that evidence of it must have been detected by some "official" entities somewhere. Assuming it was real, it would be great if enformable could FOIA some documents that confirmed this suspicion.
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Hi Iam 335,
I thought the same thing, where did the radiation go? I wonder which way the wind was blowing that night…and if that leads to a trail of turned off or malfunctioning giegers as well.
However 2 other things could aslo play a part…If this releases was a gas could it have gone straight up…very high into the atmosphere undetectable?
Or could the radiation that was released/present have a very short half like say of 1/2 hour so within 300 minutes it would disappear from the radar…???.
About your leaving a monitor on all the time…what a good idea..we have radon monitors at home..you mean something like that right? I've never heard of one for other radiation.
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You make an interesting point about gases and/or short half-life stuff. It's a good question. If it were one of those things, then it would have to have been a local release–but from where? Notre Dame's Radiation Laboratory? One of the hospitals in the area? I don't suppose the local coal-burning power plant could release such stuff. 20 and 40 miles away in Michigan there are also two nuclear reactors (not to mention six in Illinois), but there are none in Indiana, however.
re:a monitor–years ago on TV I saw a guy who lived close to a nuclear plant–I think it was Indian Point–and he had a radiation detector on his table that constantly monitored the air for signs of a nuke release. I'm not sure, but I don't think a radon detector would work because I think they work by having some of the air containing the actual radon float into the instrument's chamber, where its concentration can be measured. By contrast, this would need to be like a geiger counter insofar as it would pick up Gamma/beta energy whose source may be outside.
I just don't know if a regular geiger can be left on so long without damaging it. (I had to wait over 6 months for my GC last year, and for me it was quite expensive, so I don't want to take a chance with burning it out by leaving it on 24/7)
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ive just been hit by radon from a nuke emmission in france.. i will post up on the rad forum.. i think we got hit by particulates at the weekend and the radon has now come
in with the rain..
the rain is hot! only third time ive come across it and it follows a particulates contamination.. ive documented all of the day and will post video evidence and the written versioon on the rad forum.. probbly tommorrow as i am knackered! and irradiated again…
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From the Inspector Alert Quick Start Guide:
"The instrument is ready to use when it comes out of the box. A 9 volt battery is already installed. This battery will operate the instrument continuously for at least 7 weeks at normal background radiation levels. A low battery indicator will appear on the LCD when the battery needs changing."
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the CQ-GMC-300 digital geiger counter/data recorder
http://www.gqelectronicsllc.com/comersus/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=4542
currently on sale for 158 dollars US – 161.61 CAN – 126.4 Euro – 105.86 GBR
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@papacares – nice looking product – very affordable, and data logging. wow. i'm impressed.
if someone has done a road test of this model the feedback would be appreciated.
i do get wary when things are too cheap tho.. so caveat emptor.
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Thanks! I'll check it out…
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We bought one, and returned it, because it gave false high readings.. No offer to replace with another one.
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I just bought one of these and received it 2 weeks ago. I'm in California, East Bay area, and this device has been reporting around 16 to 28 CPM depending on the day. It seems to be tracking pretty well with the readings I see on the radnetwork website, but I don't have anything else to compare it to.
I took the cover off and it appears to have good build quality for the price. It's rechargeable through the USB interface or included wall charger. I believe you can also load a Windows app which downloades the logs and graphs the data. I have a new baby at home, so haven't gotten around to checking that out yet.
If you have any questions about this geiger let me know and I'll try to answer them.
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Your Inspector geiger will not burn out. I have been running mine 24/7 since July 2011. The event at South Bend was a geiger malfunction. Fact.
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If you can find one on eBay or out there somewhere, what you want is an Eberline RM-14 low level detector. While it does have a detatchable pancake probe (usually held in place atop the unit), it is a desktop machine rather than portable and can be plugged into the wall with a 3-prong appliance cord. Has an alarm, you set it to sensitivity. A very handy thing to have if waft-throughs are of concern (more than generally high levels).
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I was thinking the same too. My geiger might be cheap and might not be so high spec but it has never given me a reading from say 0.12 mcSv/h to 12.00 mcSv/h… that kind of jump. Yes, it's normal that it might jump from 0.12 mcSv/h to say 0.5 mcSv/h etc….
So what kind of 'special geigers' have they got that it malfunctions the way it does? I bet these special geigers are much high spec and more expensive than mine.
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Same with my dosimeter Andii. I have a $400 Ekotect.
It seems reasonable reliable. Goes into alarm mode on flights and in xrays.
Has woken me once with an alarm in the night.
I'm an amateur with a cheap dosimeter, but I think it's better then nothing.
(that being said, I don't buy into this current false alarm saga, the story has so many holes it's a waste of energy, literally nothing to see)
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Yikes…
Kill One Kill Twelve Kill Millions Kill Billions
Evacuate Tokyo and All US Forces From Japan
Bob Nichols for Salem-News.com
It is an open joke and a term of extreme contempt that, in Japan, politicians and other professional liars for hire say “Smiling people do not get radiation poisoning.”
The Japanese Prime Minister’s special investigations committee discovered the crucial Emergency Generators on the four trashed, leaking reactors were the “wrong voltage” and would never have worked in a million years, no matter what.
Without Emergency Generators, loss of regular electricity feeds means the white hot reactor cores start evaporating all the water immediately and then melting down in hours. The big generators were the wrong voltage for the 600 Volt pump motors.
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/june092012/fukushima-reality-bn.php
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Gattaca becomes reality as scientists start to screen, abort human babies based on 3,500 'genetic faults'
Monday, June 11, 2012 by: Ethan A. Huff, staff writer
"Genetic screening will lead to more abortions, more eugenics, and a culture of genetic class suppression
When science starts openly tampering with human life based on subjective perceptions of which genetic traits are desirable and which are not desirable, there is no stopping the pandora's box of population control techniques that will surely ensue. Parents seeking the "perfect" child, for instance, will be more likely to simply abort a child with genetic "errors" and keep trying until they get the one they want.
As government-run healthcare emerges into full reality, state-controlled doctors may begin telling parents that they are not allowed to have an imperfect child because treating that child's inevitable genetic conditions will cost the state too much money. Forced abortions, in other words, could become the norm if genetic testing techniques like the ones developed at UW become widespread…."
http://www.naturalnews.com/036136_GATTACA_genetic_screening_babies.html
and to make it on topic.. one word
kazahkstan
eugenics will be used differently concerning the nuclear victims worldwide..
this will limit the gene pool and kill of the species imo
no more genius`s with disabilities? might limit our intelligence too!
no diversity allowed?
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The Nuclear Weapons Industry's Money Bombs, How millions in campaign cash and revolving-door lobbying have kept America's atomic arsenal off the chopping block. — Mother Jones, By R. Jeffrey Smith, Center for Public
Integrity Jun. 6, 2012 Employees of private companies that produce the main pieces of the US nuclear arsenal have invested more than $18 million in the election campaigns of lawmakers that oversee related federal
spending, and the companies also employ more than 95 former members of Congress or Capitol Hill staff to lobby for government funding, according to a new report
http://nuclear-news.net/2012/06/11/nuclear-weapons-industries-control-usa-policy-on-military-spending/
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Via Atomicinsights.com, this report on "Pro-nuclear Environmentalism":
"Walking the talk- pro-nuclear advocates stand together"
"Until very recently, pro-nuclear environmentalists have failed to stand together effectively. The consequence is that we have failed to achieve the shift we have needed. We have always had logic, reason, science, rationality, context, enlightenment and morality on our side.
We’ve been missing the boring components. Organisation. Coordination. Visibility. Accessibility. Connection and the opportunity for those newly interested to connect. In other words, becoming a movement."
http://decarbonisesa.com/2012/06/10/walking-the-talk-pro-nuclear-advocates-stand-together/
**AtomicRod, by the way- as expected, never responded to the Bluefin comments I made on his blog, and is now ignoring me entirely.
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"enlightenment and morality on our side" – says the nukers – hahah hahahah hahahahah hahhahahah hahahah hahahhah hhahahahh hahahh hahah hahah
they are not enlightened to the morally vacant concept of leaving deadly toxic waste for future generations to deal with.
i've never been able to find of point of logic around that one. you can never negotiate with future generations, so how can you ever achieve concensus. sheer self-indulgence is the only justification.
morallity on the side of nukers – the joke of the millenia.
LOL
hahahahhhahahah hahahha LOL
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"Why pro-nuclear has failed when anti-nuclear has succeeded" (Same site…Australian)
"We also should be honest and acknowledge the genuine shortcomings of nuclear power technology through its history, such as:
The inarguable association with weapons development programs in the early days
A period of escalating costs and increasing design complexity
The catastrophe at Chernobyl; an absurd basis for decision making today, but something that has had profound influence on perceptions of the technology
The intractable “problem” of high level nuclear waste
Well the essential weapons link is well and truly of a bygone era. Designs are now standardised, simplified, modular, factory made, and super safe. The “problem” of high level waste has always been something of a beat-up compared to the mountain of polluting toxins we routinely ingest from fossil fuel and myriad other industries. I don’t really regard it as a shortcoming that the industry needs to feel bad about. In fact, nuclear power distinguishes itself from fossil fuel by actually capturing and containing the pollution. How novel."
**This was posted 07/08/11 ~ Fukushima didn't make it on the "shortcomings" list? (!?!)
http://decarbonisesa.com/2011/07/08/why-pro-nuclear-has-failed-when-anti-nuclear-has-succeeded/
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@etwas seltsam – the comedy continues…. wow. point by point they are shocking – i don't have words for it (wiithout a threat of banning
)
i see they posted my comment (i duplicated the above).
with a side note tho
but at least it went in.
sick.
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@richard:
And…here's their reply:
"That comment is approved just for the benefit of a wonderful demonstration of the way some on the other side of this issue conduct themselves. But I wouldn’t both posting anything else, I do not tolerate that type of abuse."
I think what he meant to say was: "I will not tolerate or acknowledge valid arguments from the other side".
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It does make me realise that I get a bit fervent when confronting 'the other side'.
But at least it's a foot in the door of a pro-nuker.
I see they have a debate coming up later in the month. But it's $32 for the privilege. Not sure my $32 will get much anti-nuke mileage there. Under consideration as it's in my city.
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Whether our comments are fervent or reserved, it appears that they will be banned, ignored, or "made an example of".
Clearly these delusional people somehow consider themselves victims, an abused minority… hey, wait-
I'm okay with that.
And what you said was abusive? richard, you meanie
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"Walking the talk- pro-nuclear advocates stand together"
"Until very recently, pro-nuclear environmentalists have failed to stand together effectively. The consequence is that we have failed to achieve the shift we have needed. We have always had logic, reason, science, rationality, context, enlightenment and morality on our side.
We’ve been missing the boring components. Organisation. Coordination. Visibility. Accessibility. Connection and the opportunity for those newly interested to connect. In other words, becoming a movement."
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The only thing missing from this, is the truth.
The truth that they can never tell.
The truth that will never be on their side.
The truth that will be their downfall.
The truth of all those lives lost.
The truth of a failed technology.
The truth of the nation destroying monetary burden.
The truth of all future lost, with nuclear.
The truth of genome destruction.
The truth of nuclear power = nuclear weapons.
The truth of chernobyl and the other untold disasters.
The truth of making mothers abort damages fetuses.
The truth of bioaccumulation in our food.
The truth that nuclear and life can not coexist.
The truth of Fukushima.
As for creating a movement out of pro-nuclear lies, well, even a turd becomes a movement, if only for a moment. And then it gets flushed…
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Down with The Movement!
Did you catch any of their "catchy" slogan ideas for Cafe Press?
"Split Atoms Not Wood’ and ‘Nuclear Power is Cooler Than Climate Change"
…plop.
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a polished turd is still a turd
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The development (and use) of nuclear weapons and the Atoms for Peace program legitimized the killing of massive numbers of human beings to "win" wars, or to serve those who profit from waging wars.
IMHO this has allowed us to slide down the slippery slope into moral malignancy.
The implications of allowing such technology to develop and flourish should be carefully considered. I had to think about why nuclear power and weaponry is so entrenched.
Bottom line (again) is it legitimizes the killing of massive numbers of human beings.
This puts into context the statement of Robert MacNamara (Nixon's Secretary of Defense in the 1960's) that it was "acceptable" for 100 million or so U.S. citizens to die as a result of a first strike against the Soviet Union. That is, it would be acceptable to lose only 100 million citizens, as the U.S. would ostensibly win a nuclear war, and it was "less than half" the U.S. population, as I think he put it.
Do you see how utterly dangerous and amoral this kind of thinking is? Our deaths just become "collateral damage" are not equated with our being human beings. Life when contemplated within this moral context has no value.
So I'll argue the MINDSET behind nuclear technology is the enemy; the thinkers are players.
We must come full force against the mindset, and work to change the paradigm of thought about the value of human life. I'll extend that to all life on earth. Nuclear energy and weaponry have trivialized…
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… have trivialized the value of human life, and the value of all life on earth.
Moral malignancy. There is no other fitting term I can think of for it.
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http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20120610a6.html
Sunday, June 10, 2012
1,000 U.S. high school students to start volunteer work in tsunami zones
Kyodo
Around 1,000 high school students and youths from the United States will visit the Tohoku region in three groups from Sunday to carry out volunteer work in four disaster-hit prefectures at the invitation of the Japan Foundation.
Each group will stay in the country for a fortnight and engage in various exchanges with locals in Iwate, Miyagi, Fukushima and Ibaraki prefectures, according to the foundation, which specializes in cultural exchanges.
Participants in the program will come from 40 schools across the United States, including areas affected by natural disasters in the past, including Hurricane Katrina in 2005. The last group will arrive in late July.
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And I'll bet their teachers/principals have no idea that the reactors are still spewing stuff everyday and the fuel pools (4 and 3) are in serious danger of collapsing/cracking and burning.
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What the! How can this be? This is a totally sick way to add to the "its all ok in Japan now" propaganda. the word "Lemmings" springs to mind.
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"The word "Lemmings" springs to mind."
lemmings arent that stupid FYA, they just like to chill out, run around and munch on lichen (non radioactive.. when pushed to a cliff edge they are at there most dangerous imo
lemmings are real party animals too! we have population crash parties!!
"If natural disasters – a summer drought, a sudden melt of thick snow, an unusually harsh winter – do not kill them off first, overcrowding ensues. Aggression rises, and bloodshed and cannibalism come along with it. Once the hoards exhaust their food supply by eating all of the preferred plants in the vicinity, there are two subsequent phenomena: emigration-en masse, and a crash in population numbers (Figure 2). Lemmings are good swimmers, and emigrants readily enter any body of water they encounter; if the opposite shore is beyond reach, they simply perish. Population crashes are sudden and extreme, with carcasses strewn over the tundra
@papa
big pr likes to use young people for effect.. same in japan..
kids from katrina going to work in japan.. should be the other way around
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also Tennessee has students sent to Japan
http://news-from-mtsu.blogspot.com/2012/03/306-mtsu-students-set-to-help-fukushima.html
MURFREESBORO—As the first anniversary of the March 11 nuclear disaster in Fukushima, Japan, approaches, Middle Tennessee State University is announcing a 10-day disaster-recovery education-abroad and service program slated for June 2012.
With support from the Japanese Ministry of Education, Fukushima University and MTSU International Affairs, 10 MTSU students will witness firsthand the impact of a national disaster and participate in the cleanup and rebuilding mission.
On March 11, 2011, an earthquake and resulting tsunami engulfed the Fukushima Dai-chi nuclear power plant, sending three reactors into meltdown. The Japanese government declared the plant stable in December 2011.
“MTSU has assessed the current situation and consulted with Fukushima University,” says Dr. David Schmidt, vice provost for international affairs. “At no time while engaged in program-related activities will students be in areas where the U.S. government recommends its citizens avoid travel.”
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They need a GPS before jump into the sea then. hehehe
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Sacrificial Kids on the ProNuke Altar. I can't believe it, either.
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I posted this story and the info below early yesterday. If you really are as disgusted as you say you are, please call the number below and let them know. This is a chance to actually do something! PLEASE CALL and let them know that many of us are aware of what is really happening in Japan.
We have to look out for these childre. Wouldn't you want someone to look out for your child?
Sue
June 11, 2012 at 9:31 am Log in to Reply
If anyone would like to contact the Kizuna Project regarding the above American/Japanese exchange programme (I think that other countries are also participating in these fully-funded programmes), please call Megan Bernard in Seattle on 206 367 2152.
http://www.laurasian.org/kizuna/index.htm
The Kizuna Project is supported by UNESCO.
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great job Sue
Megan also has email- kizuna@laurasian.org
with the help of this forum the whole world now has the opportunity to cause awareness of the reality – phone calls are great however for concerned people in other countries the cost can be prohibitive – an email is just as effective and the 5,058 members of enenews should flood the Seattle office with letters – there is so much potential in this to begin getting out the truth –
@Sue
cannot overstate how important your contributing contact information is – now up to the forum to see who is up to the challenge and who is ?????
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@Papacares and anyone else who is interested.
I spoke with Megan Bernard at the Kizuna Project today after deciding that I would get much more info if I took the softly, softly approach. I learned that there are 40 schools going to Japan and the program is completely booked. Obviously, I was unable to ask for a full list of all the schools participating but did manage to get two Southern California schools.
Long Beach Polytechnic High School 562 591 0581 and
Marina High School, Huntington Beach 714 893 6571
It's a start and I will be calling these schools tomorrow. She also informed me that there are currently no plans to include the UK in the programme (thank heavens!). However, I do think that Canadian schools are also included in the North American programme. I think it's our duty to hound these schools into shunning this diabolical PR stunt.
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Thanks for reposting that, Sue. I missed it yesterday.
Just got off the phone with Megan. We had a good talk and I filled her in on what we've been learning here at enenews. I gave her the site URL and she said she will visit to learn more about the dangers of sending children into a contaminated area as the proposed trip is planning.
She said they were working with the Japanese gvt to insure they'd be going to safe areas according to them…Gulp…I explained that they have raised the "safe" levels because the contamination is so great. I explained that the Japanese gvt has a huge PR budget and had a campaign to pay people to visit Japan. I said her efforts would be better spent having the children in the U.S. who wish to help work to help evacuate children and families in harm's way.
She was very nice and listened attentively. I offered to help her with any project that involved helping the children evacuate, but I could not in good conscience work to help send children into what potentially could be harm's way. (I told her about the WHO censorship of the Chernobyl studies and explained the only way to get all the facts was to do as we here have done and search them out, and NOT wait to hear about the truth from the MSM.)
I hope I have helped her understand things a bit more clearly and hope she will spend time searching for the truth about what the situation is like in the disaster zones and beyond…
Crossing my fingers.
Thanks again,…
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P.S. I explained that NO level of radiation can be deemed "safe," as even a microgram of a radioisotope can lodge in a child's body and continue to irradiated them the rest of their lives.
I told her that at least 1/3 of children in Fukushima were found to have lumps on their thyroids, less than a year after the explosions.
P.S.S. I gave her advance warning she may be hearing from other enenewsers too…)
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That's great WATK, so glad you got on board this one.
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Me too, Sue. Anything for our children!
Are you in Seattle? How did you hear about their planned trip?
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I'm actually in the UK but have lived in California on and off for years. Initially, I saw this story on EXSKF (below) and just did a little research. It was too big a story to just let it go!
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Good work, Sue!
I moved from California to the PNW a couple of years ago.
I also told Megan about the USGS report and the PNW Labs showing that Washington got doused with 40,000 times "natural" background with Xenon-133 and that it was detected for at least a month. I mentioned that because neither our MSM nor our gvt told us about it or cautioned to stay inside, we all were exposed to it, including our kids.
I wanted to demonstrate that relying solely upon the MSM and/or gvt warnings was probably not a good idea if one wanted to know the complete story…
So there is no way anyone should intentionally send our kids, who were already doused, into areas in Japan where they could/would/will be exposed to additional radiation.
I do hope she takes the time to learn more…our children's health is too important to take any chances with.
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Sorry WATK, should have sent you this
http://ex-skf.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/1000-us-high-school-students-to-do.html
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Thanks, Sue. I remember skimming over that story briefly, but only recall the mention of the college students from Tennessee going to volunteer.
My first thought: Tennessee is known to have one of the poorest educational systems…and is home to the notorious nuke polluter, the Tennesee Valley Authority:
http://timesfreepress.com/news/2012/apr/27/former-chairman-s-david-freeman-blasts-tva/
The nuke industry is famous for exploiting the poor, uneducated and native populations (i.e. uranium mining.)
Somehow, I wondered if there was some kind of strange tie in there…like a purposeful "grooming" of the next nuke plant workers of tomorrow?
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@watk – your comment on exploitation rings so true for the treatment of Australian aboriginals. They are currently being offered several million dollars to accept nooclear waste on traditional, ancestral, lands.
(on my phone at moment, no links to provide)
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Yes, sadly there is a long, disturbing history of minority populations being exploited throughout history…
In WA state, the native populations near Spokane were recruited to mine uranium there.
Look at France's Areva's presence in the Congo.
And the list goes on and on…
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hello everyone..
i have posted some of the items above here..
http://enenews.com/forum-petitions-ballot-initiatives-other-signature-drives-video
i put some ideas down to make this a larger issue.. incorporating the isssue of cesium holidays etc… maybe we need chernobyl heart and acro etc advice on this?? it would make a more powerful argument..
also, it is worth contacting CRIN with any findings so that there childrens charities, 4000 or so around the world, including japan.. might get a better understanding of the dose and air food water uptake issues.. also, the denial of information from the japanese government on health issues will be better expressed from the organisations..
it might prove to embarrising for the above organisation
we might even have them allow work expierience and helpers to come to the usa for a cesium break.. ?? i am busy at the moment but hope to start forming emails over the weekend.. any info stick on the petitions link and i will add it to the bundle..
hope this helps the cause..?
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Sent email with links to low level radiation articles, studies, MD, PhD, etc.
If she has time and reads this, she will understand.
It would also be nice to get a list of the 40 schools and send them off an information package.
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Good on you, WATKids. But realistically, anyone in the should-be but aren't-evacuated areas isn't likely to amass significant radiation dose in a month's time this far down the line. Caveat if something else blows/falls/spews.
Programs that let teens earn real cultural and service credits by helping out in devastated regions during summer break (I'm thinking Haiti, Indonesia, Chile and such) can be a big plus in that young person's life. And apart from accumulation of internal contamination, they're likely to get more of a gamma dose flying to and from Japan as they'll get from just being in northern Japan. So long as they don't engage in any actual clean-up, debris incineration, decontamination projects, of course. Or eat the local produce, drink the water and milk, etc. If my kid were going I'd pack an entire suitcase with non-contaminated rice, dried veggies, soup mixes, cereals and powdered milk, plus a charcoal/zeolite water filtration kit (1-2 quart capacity) with extra filters. Enough to last several months, then tell him/her to leave it (and the suitcase) with a family in Fukushima when they leave.
The real moral double-take in this is that the offered aid is designed to encourage Japanese families who NEED to get the hell outta there, to stay. They aren't there for just a month – they get to live with the crap until they die unless they choose not to, and make good on that choice. No government or other nation's teenagers can do it for them.
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Thanks, JoyB. I understand your point about not amassing "too much" radiation contamination on their visit–if and only if a parent were aware of the situation as you are and would even know how to pack the proper food and water filtration supplies to begin with…But how many parents have such awareness at this point? I'm guessing pretty much 0%…
That is also a BIG "IF"…IF the children are not actively involved in clean-up activities, which, if I read their website correctly, they DO plan on having the kids participate in, as I believe that is a big part of the purpose of planning the trip…)
However, as a parent, I would have to ask myself is the worry about possible contamination of my child really worth it? We cannot know if we will get sick from such exposure…even one radioactive particle could be the one to trigger disease in our bodies…
And you're right, the real focus should be on evacuating families in harm's way, not encouraging them to stay by creating a false sense of security by a children's goodwill effort at decontamination.
As I mentioned to Megan yesterday, they could possibly move their trip to W. Japan even, and meet some of the children from E. Japan there, to keep them out of harm's way…Yet, even flying into the Japanese islands, with the burning of debris and the steaming, smoking Fuku demolished plants off-gassing back into the atmosphere, could expose them to even greater amounts during the flights…
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…(continued from above)..
Better yet, the American students could join efforts to find ways to help the children of Fukushima evacuate with their families.
I am all for creating friendships and bonds between children, but IMHO, this can be done without taking unncecessary risks.
Let the "clean up" be handled by consenting adults, rather than using children as PR agents of the Japanese gvt to further their agenda of "See! All is well! Cold shutdown! Decontaminated Japan! Come see for yourself!"
Just my take on it.
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I truly like your idea for international youth cooperative groups to help families relocate from northeastern Japan, however that could get past gub'ment censorship (both ways). Plan Nine says they confiscate incoming food, but I'll bet the umbrella org (working with some State Dept. office or other) could have it shipped in.
Finishing the evacuation that needs doing is where the effort should be focused. Those areas won't be fit to live in for at least 300 years, so what's the point?
Hub and I almost went to Fukushima last April (civilian monitor training) on request of a couple of quickly-organizing groups. I would have insisted on safe food and water under either or both. And I've got grown up grandchildren these days – we evacuated our children to Oklahoma when TMI melted down, then we marched right on into the place…
At the end of the day, some people are willing to risk everything – including their children – for blind faith in human 'authorities' who have never once told them the truth (the whole truth) about anything whatsoever. No accounting for some people's courage (or foolishness), I guess… §;o)
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It was previously reported that Japanese customs agents confiscate food brought in by foreign travelers – do you have info to the contrary?
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Ah, so. Though I wouldn't consider a sizeable group of high schoolers with an NGO/foreign office project to be mere "foreign travelers." And I would expect that whatever they insist is necessary for their upkeep and wellbeing while in the contaminated zone would be provided, one way or another.
I wouldn't send anybody's kid off to the back-country of Guatemala for a summer dig without proper water purification equipment and an ample supply of safe field rations, bug repellant, and mosquito netting. Plus instructions. Even if it had to be shipped separately. That's not radiation, it's flukes/parasites, fungi and nasty foreign microbes in the food/water in addition to mosquitoes carrying incurable viruses.
Of course, if I had a teen hell-bent on going to Fukushima, I'd mostly make sure s/he knows the score. Millions and millions of parents here don't know enough to even be concerned, and don't want to know. Their teenagers are as immortal as teenagers have ever been – in their own minds. Not much to be done about them. Maybe they'll learn something valuable in Fukushima they'd never learn at home. For whatever it costs them in the end.
The danger isn't ambient external gamma, though there's that [up to maybe a .5R whole body]. It would be the food and water, and breathing contaminated dust/air. Once inside, dose doesn't count for much.
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Joy B is informed, factual, fearless in truthtelling without excessive fear mongering, has my trust. Pls weigh in more often. I also appreciate the wealth of info provided by many dedicated posters here.
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POTR blog has posted an outline of their findings, but not yet the video:
http://pissinontheroses.blogspot.com/2012/06/data-shows-highly-radioactive-field.html
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Check it out: Nuke-free medical isotopes! The wave of the "No-Nuke" future?
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/health/fill+void+isotopes/6761921/story.html
snip:
"University of Alberta researchers have made strides in creating mass quantities of medical isotopes without the use of radioactive materials, an advancement that could replace the isotopes produced at the aging Chalk River nuclear facility in Ontario.
"Dr. Sandy McEwan, chair of the U of A oncology department, and his team have found a way to use a particle accelerator called a cyclotron to make technetium-99m, the isotope injected into patients to test for ailments such as cancers and heart disease. Technetium is used in about 250,000 nuclear medical imaging tests across Alberta each year."
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"According to MAPW members Dr Bill Williams and A/Prof Tilman Ruff (2007: see link below): "The near-universal use of weapons-grade, highly enriched uranium (HEU) to produce pharmaceuticals is a significant proliferation hazard [and] one of the most vulnerable pathways to the much-feared 'terrorist bomb'.""
http://www.mapw.org.au/nuclear-chain
Medical Association for the Prevention of War (Australia).
(these guys have recently added a link to enenews.com, by the way).
do have a look around their site, it's a great resource.
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Thanks, Richard. They look like a great group! Love to hear about the work of anti-nuke groups around the world.
They may need to update this one their website:
"Australia exports uranium to the USA, France and the UK, all nuclear-armed nations. In 2006 the Federal Government approved exports to China, another nuclear weapon state."
Didn't they just agree to also sell uranium to India recently?
http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/Australia/Most-Australians-against-Uranium-sale-to-India/Article1-866178.aspx
Maybe they changed their mind? One can hope.
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the export to India hasn't been ratified, but it's approved in concept. Disgusting.
I've mentioned it before on this site. I'll try to find the details again.
India is not a co-signer of the Nooclear Proliferation Treaty. So, going by existing 'law' they should not recieve Oz uranium.
Don't you just love law – corp.guv just changes it to suit the wind.
This is the sort of thing that raises my anger against the whole nuke process. I'll be attending protests against this when the day comes.
Seeing the japanese people lay in front of debris trucks did inspire me and I must have the strength and conviction to do no less when the time comes.
Sorry, got sidetracked.. but you did ask about Oz uranium for India
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@richard
June 12, 2012 at 1:42 am
Professor Koide of Japan has documented the reported transfer of India nuclear reactor wastes to Jaduguda uranium mining site(India) and put at the dump of mill tailings pond.
Yes, it is disgusting, this whole arbitrariness of such infinte dangers.
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Thanks, Richard. I admire your passion to take action and protest. Good luck and keep us posted! Your actions just may inspire more here to take action in their countries as well.
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There is a list of countries who have not signed on and are illegal.. some are 'welcome' to the club, sent weapons, nuke subs, uranium, etc… and get no hassles. But others without the sign on and trying to do the same thing are 'punished' through the UN, sanctioned, etc…
Israel's Secret Illegal Nuclear, Biological And Chemical Weapons http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/israels-secret-illegal-nuclear.html
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POTR blog's video re: the South Bend alert is now up and working:
http://pissinontheroses.blogspot.com/2012/06/data-shows-highly-radioactive-field.html
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lam335: Just watched Poterblog video on South Bend incident of 6/7/12. Interested in your take as a South Bend resident. Cannot be dismissed as power failure or UPS failure. The data just doesn't fit. So, if real, what caused it? SBN is 22 miles ESE of Cook nuke, 40 miles S of Palisades nuke. Of the two, Palisades, almost due north, would be more likely source then Cook, which is to the west. Light winds from the north just before the spike. No NRC event reports from either nuke. Also, for cpm to reach 3,500 in SBN, 40 miles away, there would have been a severe event at Palisades that we would all know about by now. Notre Dame University is in SBN. The university is a member of NEI, and has an active nuke engineering research department working with The Materials Science of Actinides. Perhaps something exotic was vented from the lab, at a time when there was no wind to blow it away. Or, as Potrblog suggests, something from Fuku could have fallen out of the nearby jet stream, then settled on SBN when wind ceased early on 6/7/12. Any ideas?
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I like the Fuku theory. It's a fragile "shell" in the lower atmosphere layers. Scientists just now have "discovered" (brilliant Mr. Watson!) that storms suck up big city ozone/pollution and carry it along their path.
Anyway, there was a top ten Fuku emissions event with massive China Syndrome radioactive steam the first days of June. That propelled very nasty particles into the jetstream and maybe it was responsible for the US event. It certainly got some of the hazmat folks hopping.
I also remember the whodunnit European air scare mystery last November. I remain convinced there were no big local releases. … It's the Fuku duck quacking around the Northern Hemisphere and if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, flies like a duck… then we are all dead ducks.
BTW… The rest of that top ten event is now arriving west coast USA today via slower, lower ocean winds. HEPA time for the people interested in extending lifespans.
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I am thinking that the radioisotopes came DOWN from higher levels in the atmosphere at South Bend. This is the stuff that is flying over our heads.
The distribution of this is irregular and there are thin long streams of high contamination blowing around up there. Occasionally it mixes down in a bubble. Usually it comes down in the rain.
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Bobby1: Agreed. It was probably Fuku fallout. I wonder how much biological damage was done over that 2+ hour time period in South Bend? The birds seem to be chirping, but who knows? There could be a hundred birds dead out in the woods. What about the people, breathing 3,500 cpm air for 2+ hours?
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Very conservative treatment of Fuku radiation risk to those near Fuku, but containing some good info: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12722435
The problem with such sources is that:
1. True levels of radiation are aways greater than those reported.
2. Radiation over the long term is more harmful than that estimated for a short duration.
3. The affect of many radio isotopes on the body is much more than the affect of any one.
4. The radiation dosage is only known long after exposure, so that evacuation or remediation is no longer an option.
In SBN, the air raid sirens should have gone off, and local TV and radio should have been on the air with pre-recorded radiation remediation information. Even if it was a false alarm. Instead, they all had a good laugh about the inquiries on the local evening news on 6/7/12.
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Days to receive dose for increase cancer risk of 1 in a 1,000
432 (at 100 CPM)
86 (at 500 CPM)
28 (at 1,500 CPM)
4 (at 10,000 CPM)
from anne's comment –
full EXAMPLE here:
http://enenews.com/forum-post-radiation-monitoring-data-april-30-2012-present/comment-page-4#comment-259024
That's one way to look at it.
So HOURS exposed… ???
(assuming one was outdoors)
…at levels above 3000, maybe 7000 …I would say 'most likely' not a good accessed risk level. Women and children, even higher risk. (my non-medical opinion)
If large numbers in that area get sick in the next 90 days, then we'll know with a bit more certainty. Otherwise it will be forgotten. (probably like numerous others over the years) If it takes 3, 5 or more years for illness' to present themselves then it will never be tracked or proven. Only that 'gut' feeling of not being quite sure.
I wonder if there were any planes 'flying' through this and if the their risk was any higher?
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Is this adults you are talking about, children or a fetus?
Each has it's own risk level and it is EXPONENTIALLY HIGHER the younger one gets.
ONE XRAY, doubles chance of leukemia for a fetus, but it only show up years later.
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I have made a new post on my blog about the Indiana event:
http://optimalprediction.com/wp/the-indiana-high-radiation-event/
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Bobby1: Many thanks for the new post. Some new material here. I've asked Admin to do a US/Canada thread on the South Bend Radiation Event of 6/07/12 based on Poterblog's analysis, and now including yours.
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My first thought after watching the video is that, if his theory about the geiger counter getting saturated is correct, I think that would mean that the actual cpm were likely even higher than the numbers reported on the Radiation Network/Black Cat pages. The Radiation Network displayed numbers as high as 7000 cpm (for some reason the Black Cat ones were lower), but if you look at the charts on POTR blog's page, the curve actually seems to go up well past 8000.
I too wonder what the source of this cloud could have been. I find it hard to believe that such an intensely radioactive plume could have been emitted at one of the nuke plants in Michigan without somebody noticing it before it reached South Bend. I too have been wondering about ND's Radiation Lab. If it came from there, that would be quite disturbing. The Lab is located right next to ND's library (home of "Touch Down Jesus"–if the mural's now radioactive, perhaps they'll have to change its nickname to "Melt-Down Jesus"?–oops, does that count as banned "religious discussion"?). Notre Dame has an alert system for notifying students, faculty, and staff of emergencies–usually tornados–but no such alert was issued that night … so IF the origin of the plume was Notre Dame, there really ought to be h*ll to pay for the university (sorry, more verboten "religious" language) … there ought to be, but then ND has a considerable amount of "influence" in the area …
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Even if the plume was from Fukushima, how can it be that it could travel so far across the continent before SOMEONE noticed? Bobby1's analysis is interesting. I just don't know much about how air (and other things) move in the upper atmosphere and why they happen to come down when and where they do. But I have learned since last spring that South Bend IS often right in the path of the jet stream. Go back and look at that awful plutonium transport model (or any other weather model from the first week that the plume was passing through), and you'll see a little finger of nasty air reaching right through South Bend on the map (wish I could have foreseen Fuku and understood about the jet stream before choosing to come to South Bend, but no such luck.)
Above all, I really wish we could have more information about the location of the monitor that detected this plume. I'd like to be able to get a better sense of just how far away from my place this thing might have been.
This event has made me realize just how vulnerable (and ultimately alone) we all are in facing fallout (from whatever source). No one is "looking out for us." The EPA proved its lack of concern for the public last March. We have "citizen" networks ostensibly doing the live monitoring that the EPA has failed to do, yet as soon as something anomalous appears, they simply assume that it was a malfunction and go into reassurance mode too, providing no further information and no evident follow up.
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The Radiation Network did at least once display a CPM over 8,000. I saw it as I opened the page, but it refreshed right then, so I only know the first number was an 8 and it was a 4 digit number.
http://enenews.com/forum-post-radiation-monitoring-data-april-30-2012-present/comment-page-4#comment-259049
BlackCat displays uR(em)/hr that is why the readings there were different/lower than the radiation network map figures.
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More from POTR blog page (questions and responses from comments section):
Nemo June 12, 2012 5:51 PM
Thanks for this video. I have a few questions. My first question has to do with the implications of the theory you discuss here. On the night of the alert, the Radiation Network screen showed numbers as high as 7000 cpm (I think it was cpm-for some reason the Black Cat numbers seemed lower). If it is true that the geiger counter that detected this very hot plume became saturated, that would mean that the actual total cpm would likely have been even higher than 7000 cpm, right? If I am understanding it correctly, the chart posted above seems to indicate that the total cpm might have gone up well past 8000 cpm. Is that correct?
Second, I have been trying to find out how to get from the cpm to some estimate of exposure in either mR or mSv, but I have been unable to find a clear explanation of how such a conversion could be made. I suppose it would really require knowledge of whether it was alpha, beta, or gamma (or how much of each), but do you have any sense of what kind of exposure in mRem or mSv might have resulted from this plume to someone caught outside in it?
Finally, given a plume like this, how effective would its radiation be in penetrating through buildings to irradiate people who are indoors as it passes? Would they get anything close to the level of exposure received by people outdoors, or would distance and shielding be likely to diminish it…
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Ms. X [i.e., POTR BLOG] June 12, 2012 7:39 PM
We've been told that the readings on the Blackcatsystems site are in uR/hr (despite what their charts say). We would be very hesitant to make dosage warnings for multiple reasons; primary among them is that we know next to nothing about the actual Geiger counter doing the detecting. The most accurate thing we can say is that the Geiger tube experience a radioactive field of greater intensity than it was designed to operate in.
With those provisos, and working with what we little we have, our estimate is that had the Geiger not saturated the blackcatsystem's chart would have peaked at 8,400 "CPM". We take that to mean the reading would have been 8.4 millirems/hr. A chest x-ray is about 10 millirems, of course there is a difference between having a chest x ray and inhaling the chest x ray machine.
Our best guess based on the area under the curve in the Weibull chart we used, is that the Geiger counter's exposure at the Geiger counter was about 21 millirems, about 2 chest x-rays. Of course the Geiger counter did not inhale anything, no telling what a person outside would have integrated into their body.
The DOE has a public exposure limit, from their operations, of 100 mR per year. So if the DOE where responsible for the event, they could do this about 4 more times without worrying about it.
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… In the end, we don't have enough details to tell what the actual dosage was, but we wager there will be an upswing in miscarriages and birth defects within the next 9 months
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http://pissinontheroses.blogspot.com/2012/06/data-shows-highly-radioactive-field.html#comment-form
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not so fast….remember that all radiation is cumulative; it does not 'wear off'. Every Xray, every flight, every CT scan, every dental Xray..
It all adds up.
Mammograms Are Biggest Cause Of Breast Cancer; via A Green Road http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/06/mammograms-are-biggest-cause-of-breast.html
Lethal Dangers of CT Scans And X-Rays; via A Green Road Blog http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/05/lethal-danger-of-ct-scans-and-x-rays.html
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antiprotons
Converting CPM to uSv/hr, Plus Calibration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjLXaags0Cg
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thanks
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prelim. earthquake report 4.5 Fukushima ! (gulp) http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/index.php?pageid=seism_index&rid=252992
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So did I miss something? We were concerned sp4 would fall. Now nothing after they put that cover on it. Was this subterfuge?
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Good question, Bubbha. As they say, "Out of sight, out of mind." I'm sure TEPCO is counting on our short-term attention spans kicking in, causing a collective amnesia. Spent fuel pool #4 who?
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New "Fresh Air" interview on NPR with Kristen Iversen, author of the new book "Body Burden," about living in the shadow of Rocky Flats Nuclear plutonium manufacturing plant:
"Under The 'Nuclear Shadow' Of Colorado's Rocky Flats"
http://www.npr.org/2012/06/12/154839592/under-the-nuclear-shadow-of-colorados-rocky-flats
Describes how the FBI and EPA actually teamed up to investigate the DOE and Rockwell's collusion to circumvent and violent environmental laws all in the name of national security interests (i.e. building nuclear weapons.) The FBI actually raided Rocky Flats.
Hmm…wonder if such a scenario would be possible in today's climate…?
Kristen cautions people from visiting the soon-to-be opened new nature reserve there, saying that plutonium is still there in the environment, having leaked into the groundwater, and that two separate fires at the facility had carried plumes of plutonium to Denver as well…
Maybe they should call it the Rocky Flats Plutonium Reserve instead? /sarc
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Make that "circumvent and VIOLATE…" (not "violent")
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Under The 'Nuclear Shadow' Of Colorado's Rocky Flats http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/06/under-nuclear-shadow-of-colorados-rocky.html
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So why don't all commercial airline planes have a radiation detector? A massive *'Safecast' in the air.
If I were a pilot I would want to know if the cloud or air I was flying through was 'hot' or 'not'. And of course, for the protection of the passengers. Not to mention the maintenance crews who work on the engines. They might 'need' or want to know also.
* Safecast is a global sensor network for collecting and sharing radiation measurements to EMPOWER PEOPLE WITH DATA about their environments: http://blog.safecast.org/about/
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It's all about money, the almightly $. Pilots make good money, if they can't fly commercial aircraft what the hell are they going to do for a living?
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Actually, after all the union bail-outs of bankrupt airlines, many pilots these days qualify for food stamps. Here's a WaPo article about that -
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/06/AR2009080602580.html
…and 5 minutes from Michael Moore's "Capitalism: A Love Story" on this situation -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKQJx3L_CDQ
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ChasAha, it's probably because airline companies like Boeing use "depleted" (a.k.a. radioactive) uranium in the ballast of airplanes. It would likely create constant alarm signals:
http://www.vieques-island.com/navy/du.html
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/1776318/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium
Reassuring to know we are all exposed to depleted uranium when flying in a plane. So perhaps the analogies of "as much exposure as flying cross-country in an airplane" not only included exposure to the sun's UV radiation and radiation from fallout of weapons testing and nuclear explosions like Fuku and Chernobyl, but also the very material used to make airplanes.
Do the airline attendants and pilots know that planes are made with radioactive materials, to help the US keep our costs down of storage of radioactive materials?
Who comes up with these wacky ideas? And why are we letting them get away with such foolhardy actions???
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Good reminder. You are correct about uranium in the ballasts of large planes. I had forgot about that.
Makes me wonder every time I see people rushing toward a burning plane crash. (or being down wind of one)
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Yes, some of the info at the links I provided talks about the effects of DU in the environment after airplane crashes (think the World Trade Towers, among others…) as well as exploded DU munitions aerosolizing the uranium and contaminating the environment and people (including soldiers) in the area that gets hit.
This is the insanity that Chris Busby describes in his research on the horrific birth defects being seen in Fallujia after being bombarded with depleted uranium munitions.
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for the record i have taken my dosimeter on board flights.
normal levels are recorded on the ground. once in the air, the dosimeter alarm will go off as there is less protection from the atmospshere.
of course, this is the southern hemisphere tho. I can't speak for you northerners.
i can't recall exact numbers for being on board a plane while still on the ground. Note to self to check next time.
so, what i'm saying is, you would need a very delicate device (i'd imagine) to be able to seperate what kind of radiation you are experiencing at high altitude.
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A Japanese lawyer, Kazuo Hizumi who regularly attended TEPCO press conference and gave TEPCO spokesman a hard time with his laser sharp questions have died today. You might wonder why I am telling you this but please bear with me.
His last email (dated only yesterday) to a professor reads, 'Please make TEPCO disclose information without a doubt.' and he further mentions about 'Aarhus Convention'.
It is about:
1) Access to information
2) Public participation in decision making
3) Access to justice
More info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aarhus_Convention
Basically, even a private company is responsible to disclose information if they are affecting the environment.
I think this piece of information is very important, not just for Japanese but for the rest of us. The nuclear energy industry is full of cover-ups and it is time that we put a stop to it!
Hizumi's email shows that he cared about Japan and the world till very last day of his life and I think his last words deserves to be known in the world. Rest In Peace ڿڰ☸
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Thank you, Andii. Bless him for his heroic efforts. Do you know the cause of his death? I hope it was not foul play by the nuclear mafia.
I posted earlier how the FBI and EPA had actually teamed up years ago to investigate the environmental violations of Rockwell in their work for the DOE. A grand jury wanted to prosecute several DOE and Rockwell employees, but eventually were not punished as there was a settlement in which Rockwell only had to pay a fine.
Can justice be served in today's world? Now that access to information is more easily available? One can hope…and thanks in no small part to brave souls like this Japanese attorney, Mr. Hizumi.
May he rest in peace.
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Hi WATK, He was diagnosed with cancer last May and he was in remission. But he suddenly complained about pain yesterday and taken into hospital. I guess fortunate part in this sad circumstance is that he went quickly surrounded by good friends and family.
Will there be justice? It seems that darkness is everywhere but with or without victory, we can raise awareness of foul play if we use the law/convention as a part of our amu. We certainly have advantage of using instantaneous internet, social media etc.
Now I know, thanks to Mr Hizumi, private companies can't hide behind excuse of 'competitive, sensitive' information etc.
Compensation money is always handy but I'd rather have an access to clean water, air and food, those basic thing that we all deserve….and I want children to be able to play in safe environment and do normal children things like climb up the tree or play in the mud etc, not cooped up in a house with closed windows
There are many things money can't buy.
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Well said, Andii. All the money in the world can't give us back our clean, non-irradiated planet and the confidence that our children are playing in a completely clean environment, untouched by manmade nuclear radiation in our neighborhoods.
Given the truth in the sayings: "There is strength in numbers," and "Knowledge is power," I believe that because the masses now have so much access to information via the Internet, it is just a matter of time before truth and justice will prevail.
And those of us here at enenews, witnesses to what is really happening in the insane nukers world, will not let the truth be hidden any longer. We will remain vigilant and continue to spread the word until the last NPP is shut down and the last nuclear criminal has been tried in a court of law.
There is no going back to the Nuclear Dark Ages now.
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hi WATK, Although our current situation seems dire but I still have hope and believe we can salvage the situation and put it back almost as good. But in order to achieve it, the madness has to stop immediately!
Yes, "strength in numbers". Let's tip the tipping point hey!
My profound appreciation to the Admin. The speed you publish latest news is at lightening speed. (So you know, I do click g ads even though I don't normally do that anywhere else
) Enenews is the best place to be!
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I hold out hope too, Andii. Sometimes, it is all we have!
Never give up hope!
And I agree, kudos and thanks as always to Admin for helping shine the light on the truth about the deadliness of nuclear power.
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1. Get an INSPECTOR ALERT and plug iot is and leave it on and send your results to the net, post the readings here. Don't waste money on anything less.
2. South bend IN release might have been from the lack of smiles at Notre Dame on a windless night, or stuff dropping out of the atmosphere. My question, where did it go next?
3. Remember that exposure is not the same as internal contamination. And that shutting down NPP worldwide still leaves thousands of reactors in labs, hospitals, and research, as well as the (un)safe deposits of N-waste throughout the planet. We would still have an almost irreversable situation on our hands, but at would be making less of the terrorists targets and n-waste byproducts.
4. france recycles it N-Waste to the US, and we recylce it into airplane parts and ballast? How interesting.
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Anyone interested in the South Bend, IN radiation burst should watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jycRtJCTc7M
Gotta Nuke Problem? Call the NRC (Nuclear Redaction & Coverup)!
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In the video, she claims that her geiger counter detected 42 microSv. She's in Michigan, so if that detection was genuine, that would lend credence to the Michigan nuclear plant event hypothesis.
But if elevated levels reached her in another part of Michigan (I don't think she's right near either of the plants in the state's southwest corner), how could it be that the plume that reached all the way to South Bend remained, apparently, relatively physically small and highly concentrated? I am surmising that it was physically not a very large cloud because it does not appear to have blanketed all of South Bend, since I could not detect any sign of it from the time I turned my geiger on at 1:30 until it passed (that's not to say that it couldn't have floated by BEFORE I turned it on, unfortunately).
Assuming this plume was genuine, SOMEBODY has to have information about it. I hope that eventually someone successfully uses the Freedom of Information Act to get access to that information (assuming it exists).
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Thanks Iam335,
The lady in the clip does offer all the supporting info she has access to in the call she places to the NRC. Her main point of alarm is the huge reading in South Bend, IN that she saw on the Radiation Network at 1:30 AM. She even pulls up Intellicast to see the wind direction at that time, and thus offers the NRC a good guess as to the likely source – Palisades NPP in SW Michigan. The NRC seemed mostly interested in who SHE was, not in offering the slightest bit of info TO her – surprised?
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Yes, she's in Michigan, I am too. She lives near where I grew up — in (SE Oakland County) the greater metro Detroit area. Currently, I live about 200 hundred miles north and a little east of South Bend.
I think she made an error when she reported 42 uSv/hr. That is very high. I figure she left off the decimal, so should have been 0.42 uSv/hr. Even that is a high reading – just look at what arclight has been reporting on the radiation monitoring forum. I don't usually monitor in uSv/hr, but instead in CPM; once in a while I use uSv/hr just to check. My highest readings in uSv/hr have been 0.175, but usually they are between 0.048 – 0.101 uSv/hr.
As an example: I did some readings of various cooking and eating utensils, and I had 2 very old mixing bowls that belonged to my grandmother. I suspected they had uranium glaze, and the 10 minute count on one was 12.80 total x 1000 — so 12,800 / 10 to get 1,280 CPM. I then checked in uSv/hr and it read 4.377 uSv/hr. The other bowl was smaller and read 11.23 total x 1000 [11,230] or 1,123 CPM and 4.112 uSv/hr. My GC is an Inspector Alert, and the data above can be found in the radiation monitoring forum.
Also, Bobby1 just posted a link in the radiation monitoring forum…
5.31 micro Sv/h, Hitachinaka Sea Side Park, "Vantage Hill" foot, ground level, June 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjEAyLl3XAU&feature=player_embedded
So, I doubt that her reading was 42 uSv/hr.
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I agree with you about 42 uSv being improbably high.
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Admin -
The recent South Bend, IN radiation burst really deserves its own thread, imo. There seems to be significant interest from the number of responses here, but they are so fractured that intelligent discussion is very difficult – Anyone agree?
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They had something like 7,000 CPM (which normally is an error) but who knows, maybe a sudden spike did occur then died down, as far as we know.
I proposed a new thread on this, possibly hypothetical situation a few days ago, so I agree.
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Local media's dismissive report on rad alert:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZFklRrscmA
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6-12-12 Under The 'Nuclear Shadow' Of Colorado's Rocky Flats http://www.npr.org/2012/06/12/154839592/under-the-nuclear-shadow-of-colorados-rocky-flats
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@WATK No reply button available to your last post.
I agree with you completely regarding the TVA and International Uranium mining. In fact, it reminds me of another post I made recently relating to URENCO and the pursuit of young hearts and minds.
http://www.urenco.com/richie/
It's repellent isn't it?
Would love to continue but almost 01.00am. Can't be late for the school run.
regards.
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Thanks, Sue. Looks like you'd have had to reply to your own post to comment below mine.
I'll check out your link.
P.S. Have you read the 44 comments below the story you linked to on skf.blogspot? Wow, the idea of sending kids in harm's way for the manipulative purposes of good publicity really touched a lot of nerves! We are in good company.
Have a good day. Ta!
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I also saw that high number on ex-skf, that must be a record for comments. I don't recall seeing any ex thread going over 20 even.
(guess I should read them
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Now that I think of it, I don't remember that many comments previously either. (Either its true, or radiation has addled my memory bank.) ;-D LOL
The comments are a hopeful reminder that most people have a good heart and truly love and care about our children. They are after all our hope for the future. Let's make sure we adults are doing everything in our power to insure they have a bright future to look forward to!
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OMG, Sue, I just took a look at that Urenco link. Utterly appalling! How can these folks look at themselves in the mirror, knowing they so blatantly are trying to brainwash our kids!!??
…Just as we ourselves were brainwashed with the General Dynamic sponsored, Disney made (with the help of a former Nazi rocket scientist) "Our Friend, the Atom" as children:
http://www.american-buddha.com/labyrinth.waltdisney.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByZ1AyDEGSk
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Kazuo Hizumi – japanese journalist and lawyer – dead before 50
This man was a crusader, I'm sorry I only heard about his name at his death (thanks to andii for the notice).
I really can't help thinking that radiation brought him down. Young, only 50. It just doesn't seem right.
This is a fatally serious situation folks. I truly think he would not have died if not for Fukushima.
Another tragic loss.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/27/technology/27iht-wireless28.1.10465809.html
February 27, 2008
TOKYO — A Japanese government panel is proposing to govern "influential, widely read news-related sites as newspapers and broadcasting are now regulated."
The government is also seeking to rein in some of the more unsavory aspects of the Internet, leaving in its wake, critics say, the censoring hand of government interference.
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http://cpj.org/tags/kazuo-hizumi
March 2, 2010
"Japanese journalist-turned-lawyer fights media control"
"Kazuo Hizumi holds his hands up before him, shoulder-width apart. He is demonstrating the size of the blade he kept under his pillow"
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8559683.stm
10 March 2010
"This is treating people like machines, like so many cattle to be monitored and watched over," Kazuo Hizumi, a leading human rights lawyer, told BBC News.
Japan had a very poor record on human rights, privacy issues and consumer rights, said Mr Hizumi.
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http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20120420f2.html
April 20, 2012
"Kazuo Hizumi was almost unique among reporters who flocked to Tepco news conferences to cover the crisis at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant. Doubting whether Tokyo Electric Power Co. and the government were disclosing enough information about how the catastrophe was unfolding, The Tokyo-based lawyer attended around 100 briefings at the utility through December and continued to put questions to company officials."
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http://ajw.asahi.com/tag/Kazuo%20Hizumi
May 15, 2012
"Cattle farmer Masami Yoshizawa is desperate to get the word out that livestock in the no-entry zone around the stricken Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant can be saved"
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The list goes on .. here is my search reference…
http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&safe=off&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=Kazuo+Hizumi+&oq=Kazuo+Hizumi
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Thank you, Richard, for helping to honor the memory of this amazing crusader for human rights and free speech.
The world has lost another hero.
I too cannot help but wonder if the radiation from Fukushima caused or at least sped up his death due to cancer. I have heard of so many people who were diagnosed this past year with cancer, only to die only months after the diagnosis. So surreal.
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@watk – if any of us are doing half as much as he did you'd be consider a star.
i'm astounded at the loss. i hope his actions have inspired many to fight for the right to clarity.
at 50, it's too young.. crazy .. and many japanese are long lived as I understand it.. so doubly crazy.
i don't know his health history, so I am making assumptions about how he was affected, but 50, just wow.
such a fighter, gone. just shows, do it now, not tomorrow.
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Yes, I am trying to remind myself of this each and every day: Seize the day as the saying goes. Carpe diem. (Remember the Dead Poet's Society film with Robin Williams?).
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Jetstream and low winds (North America) update:
http://www.intellicast.com/National/Wind/JetStream.aspx
SP: Nasty stuff from the June disappearing building steam events is hitting across the heartland as you breathe in tonight.
http://squall.sfsu.edu/gif/jetstream_norhem_00.gif
SP: Big jetstream cloud from Japan coming in behind the current plume.
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Palisades Nuclear Plant SHUTDOWN
Michigan, USA
http://www.wsbt.com/news/fox17-palisades-plant-shutdown-for-emergency-repairs-20120612,0,7395088.story
and
http://www.wzzm13.com/news/article/214930/2/Palisades-plant-removed-from-service
and
http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2012/06/palisades_plant_shut_down_to_r.html
Hi all,
This is the nuclear plant that a group of people, myself included, just had a meeting with Chairman Jaczko about when he was visiting the plant!
From my blog:
Press Conference:
http://www.nuclearblues.com/2012/05/29/hello-world/
My Statement to NRC Chairman
http://www.nuclearblues.com/2012/05/29/my-statement-to-nrc-chairman-jaczko-on-palisades-and-the-nrc/
This is also the S.W. quadrant of Michigan near Northern Indiana that had the mysterious radiation spike recently.
What the heck is going on?
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Thanks for the heads up, EnoughAlready. Keep us posted.
With any luck, maybe they'll decide to keep it shut down? Well, one can dream, can't one?
Seriously, I hope there are no leaks (reported or secret) from the plant and that all are safe.
Thanks again! We'll look forward to any updates you hear about.
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I was checking out one of your links and found this bit of disturbing news that happened on June 5, 2012. Apparently a kindergartner collapsed and died after a field day event at school:
http://www.wsbt.com/news/wsbt-kindergartner-dies-after-collapse-at-school-event-20120605,0,7899741.story
"Kindergartner dies after collapse at school event "
June 5, 2012
"NORTON SHORES, Mich. (AP) — Counselors will be on hand at a West Michigan elementary school after a kindergartner collapsed on a playground during the school's field day events and died.
"The Muskegon Chronicle and WOOD-TV report the 6-year-old boy was unresponsive Monday afternoon at Churchill Elementary School in Norton Shores before being taken to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead. The cause of death wasn't known…"
/snip
I remember reading about so many athletes collapsing and dying this past year since Fukushima. And now even a kindergartner collapses after exercising?
It really makes you wonder if Fuku fallout radiation on the Jet Stream, or perhaps a local NPP radiation leak in Michigan or nearby states contributed to this poor child's death?
I hope more folks in the area get involved in the citizen's radiation monitoring effort.
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Hi What about the kids. A reasonable person would have reason to believe that crime is about to occur, in the process of occurring, and/or has been and still is being executed. Your questions are legitimate.
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Boy, 6, dies on field after swallowing a ROCK
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2156192/Kindergartener-died-swallowing-rock-school-playground.html
"An autopsy report revealed today that the young boy had swallowed a small rock that wedged in his larynx and blocked Nikolas's airway."
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Radiation forced him to eat that rock.
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Sorry Candlebox, but I find your joke in poor taste.
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Liberals
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LOL, Candlebox. So you are saying that only "Liberals" find jokes in poor taste offensive? And "Conservatives" do not?
LOL
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Yes, the problem with being liberal or conservative is that it is actually better to be just human.
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Here, here, PU! Well said. You got my vote!
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Thanks for the clarification of the boy's cause of death. It is such a tragedy. My heart goes out to the boy's family.
Yes, obviously, not every collapse after exercise is due to radiation, but please excuse me if I can't help but wonder now, in our post-Fuku world, if exposure to Fuku fallout is the cause is for the rise in sudden deaths, heart attacks, strokes which many of us here have witnessed in our own circle of family and friends since 3/11.
It is a different world, for those of us who are aware.
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Correction: "is the cause for the rise…"
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@watk – you are well justified in questioning each case with our new status quo. This is the terrorism that the nuke industry leaves us with, but blithely ignores, scoffs at even.
it's very tragic, no matter what the cause.
on an 'editorial' note, i think it's a good idea to re search a topic – that's how I came across the second story. Then I will try and find the earliest date of an article. And in case of death, I try to wait for an autopsy or 'official' verdict before making a judgement call.
all that said, and without sounding paranoid, the rock is what we are told. whether that's the truth is another matter (although, highly probable, recalling my days as a child
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Coming from a medical background…actually im at work right now.
The fact they didnt say anything about "Attempted to start an airway" or trying to start Crico in his neck worries me. It could be a set of coincidents that happened though. From poor staff, to confusion.
Of course if the kid wasnt breathing for a while it wouldnt matter anyways. After 5 minutes your brain starts to shut down, and some of it never turns back on.
As to my post on radiation forcing him to eat the rock, it may be in poor taste to you. I ask you to come to the medical field where we see massive amounts of horrible trauma. You will find that joke funny real fast like.
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Please explain your humor better
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Candlebox, while I do understand that humor (sick jokes included) can help relieve the incredible stress emergency medical workers undergo working with trauma victims, I just think this forum is not the appropriate place for a joke about the death of a child.
Imagine what his parents must be going through? Imagine if they stumbled upon your comment on this website…I'm sure they would not find it funny either.
Would you really joke about a dying child to your co-workers while you were administering life-saving medical aid to him or her?
That being said, I am assuming you were just trying to find some way to offer a bit of comic relief to an otherwise serious subject, so in that spirit, I can understand it was not meant with any hostility or mean-spiritedness. And with that, I offer you this olive branch…
Peace.
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The poor little boy choked on a small rock. Radiation had nothing to do with it.
http://www.wwmt.com/shared/newsroom/top-stories/stories/wwmt_vid_2089.shtml
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My deepest sympathies to the boy's family. The reporting of this story is bizarre, imo. It is reported in the greatest detail, with no uncertainty over the boy's cause of death ("choking on a small stone"}, by the UK Daily Mail online, which a poster linked above. However, the story is earlier posted at http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/index.ssf/2012/06/child_dies_during_churchill_el.html
and the cause of death is a "mystery", even, apparently, to the EMTs who arrived to treat him and transport him to the hospital.
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If you'll notice the date on the link you provided is June 4, the day this tragic incident happened. The link Richard posted from the UK's Daily Mail is from June 7. Of course there would be more details available a few days after the incident. What I find unusual is that this story made the Daily Mail…
Also in regard to dates, I must address your post found below in this thread:
"Censored clips at time of South Bend Radalert Event reported loud explosions and 60-ft tree limbs broken – I'm only a layman, but explosive clouds of hydrogen/tritium/oxygen from Palisades NPP would explain ALL these things, imho."
The loud booms and trees broken off happened on Sunday the 27th of MAY. The South Bend, Indiana high rad event happened late on 6 June early on 7 June.
Where did you get "explosive clouds of hydrogen/tritium/oxygen from Palisades NPP" from???
http://www.wwmt.com/shared/newsroom/top-stories/stories/wwmt_vid_1905.shtml
Monday, May 28, 2012
West Michigan puzzled over Sunday night booms
WEST MICHIGAN (NEWSCHANNEL 3) – People are buzzing over what could have possibly caused a loud boom and violent shaking last night and this morning throughout West Michigan.
The reports came in from people in Calhoun, Branch and Kalamazoo Counties.
People from all over say they felt and heard it, but Newschannel Three has only heard of one case of actual damage happening during the same time.
John Nieuwenhuis, who lives in Oshtemo, says that he…
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says that he felt and heard the explosion, which shook his entire house.
"where the two trees are parallel and something completely scrapped both trees off at the same height and laid them to the west," said Nieuwenhuis.
Nieuwenhuis called the fire department but after extensively searching, they couldn't find the source of an explosion.
"I've never seen anything like this, we cut down trees, we log trees and what could have taken this down I have no idea," said Nieuwenhuis.
Newschannel Three tried to search into what might have caused the explosions but, it was a clear night and there was no earthquake activity reported anywhere in the Midwest.
Air Traffic Control in Kalamazoo says no planes were in the area that might have broken the sound barrier.
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You don't happen to work for the NRC by any chance, do you?
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I live in Michigan, so these incidents were of local interest and on the news here. I may be more attentive to details like dates than you, and because I point that out, you reply with a snide remark.
There have been other booms in Michigan recently — in Alpena.
I happened to see a link from a known disifo agent — Sorcha Faal claiming, "last week an “intense” battle erupted in the US State of Michigan between military forces loyal to the Obama regime and American rebels that killed at least 380 men, women and children who had gathered to oppose their nations slide towards a totalitarian dictatorship." What bullshit. Of course, the piece went on to connect the Alpena booms with the one in SW Michigan as well as the high rad readings in Indiana last week.
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1586.htm
Just look at the back of your left hand… the tip of your index finger — that's Alpena. Down by your wrist on the left side — that's South Bend Indiana. Roughly 400 miles apart.
Now, my point is that this kind of misinformation and fear mongering needs to stop.
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Thanks for this information.
I'm guessing that this sort of leak wouldn't be likely to release a highly radiative plume into the air. Could it? I'm hoping not, at any rate.
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Censored clips at time of South Bend Radalert Event reported loud explosions and 60-ft tree limbs broken – I'm only a layman, but explosive clouds of hydrogen/tritium/oxygen from Palisades NPP would explain ALL these things, imho.
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Enoughalready,
In case you missed it (understandably), here is a clip worth watching:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jycRtJCTc7M
It seems that Fuku may even be unintentionally providing cover for Our Glorious Empire's own nuclear booboos…
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ALERT! Palisades Nuke Plant in Michigan – see info and link below:
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=NC-20120613-35433-USA
The Palisades nuclear power plant is shut down. Officials at the plant removed it from service due to what is being described as a "small leak" in the plant's safety injection and refueling water tank. That tank holds as much as 300-thousand gallons of water that is used remove heat from the reactor's core in the event of a coolant accident and to increase "shutdown safety margin." It's not known how long the troubled facility will remain out of service. Palisades has been ranked by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission as one of the four worst nuclear plants in the nation.
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Nuclear Event in USA on Wednesday, 13 June, 2012 at 05:40 (05:40 AM) UTC.
The Palisades nuclear power plant is shut down. Officials at the plant removed it from service due to what is being described as a "small leak" in the plant's safety injection and refueling water tank. That tank holds as much as 300-thousand gallons of water that is used remove heat from the reactor's core in the event of a coolant accident and to increase "shutdown safety margin." It's not known how long the troubled facility will remain out of service. Palisades has been ranked by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission as one of the four worst nuclear plants in the nation.
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So could such an event causes a signifiant radiation release? This report doesn't include the usual statement that nothing was released.
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Opps, sorry Iam335, didn't realize you already posted this….
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@Kondy, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one. Happened to me a million times!
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More gems from the HPS news page:
"Spent fuel at Fukushima Daiichi safer than asserted"
http://ansnuclearcafe.org/2012/05/16/spent-fuel-at-fukushima-not-dangerous/
In recent days, a number of articles have been printed that assert that a grave danger exists at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear generating station…. These articles are highly deceptive. The occurrence of a cataclysmic release of radioactive material as surmised is hinged upon the occurrence of so many statistically impossible events that it is certain to be a practical impossibility. Since the assertions continue to gain a wider audience, however, it is necessary to examine them and make a realistic assessment of their likelihood.
Assertion 1: The spent fuel pools, particularly at Fukushima Daiichi No. 4 plant (1F-4), are liable to collapse-Since shortly after the Tohoku quake and tsunami, TEPCO has continually inspected the buildings at the site for physical integrity…
Assertion 2: The spent fuel pool at 1F-4 is in particularly dire structural condition
TEPCO has continuously monitored the 1F-4 building for damage…TEPCO has also constructed, as a result of structural studies performed on the building, a steel-reinforced concrete support beneath the spent fuel pool at this plant…TEPCO estimates, in fact, that the seismic safety margin of the 1F-4 building’s spent fuel pool is now improved 20 percent..
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Assertion 3: The spent fuel in these plants’ spent fuel pools could ignite, leading to a massive radiological release
This assertion is patently false. First, it is important to understand that in order for the fuel to ignite, it has to get hot—and in its present condition, submerged in spent fuel pools with redundant cooling systems and filtration systems, constant remote temperature monitoring, backup generating and pumping systems in mobile units in place (on standby), and high reach concrete pump trucks on site (if necessary), there is no chance of the fuel heating up in any significant way while it is in the pools in the buildings…
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So the author's refutations of #1 and #2 are almost completely based on claims made by TEPCO. Good thing they have such a sterling reputation for trustworthiness.
And then there's #3: "in order for the fuel to ignite, it has to get hot"
Funny, I thought the fuel WAS hot–that's why it needs to be constantly cooled–that's why the water has to be kept circulating, to carry away some of the heat–and of course this vital function is being carried out by a makeshift cooling system that was thrown together last spring and which is NOT seismically reinforced …
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"A new look at prolonged radiation exposure: MIT study suggests that at low dose-rate, radiation poses little risk to DNA."
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2012/prolonged-radiation-exposure-0515.html
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MIT, proudly funded by, and tools for, the nuclear power industry and DOE.
For some reason, this little childhood tune comes to mind:
"Liar, liar, pants on fire!"
How many times can they try to pretend none of the other thousands of scientific studies showing that exposure to low level radiation CAN and DOES affect the DNA of living things???
They must be hoping people will forget, so that their latest claims will supercede all the scientific proof that preceded their newest nuke industry CYA pronouncements…
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Enformable has this story posted today:
"Largest childhood leukaemia study ever conducted finds 15% of cases due to gamma radiation"
http://enformable.com/2012/06/largest-study-ever-conducted-on-childhood-leukaemia-finds-15-of-cases-due-to-gamma-radiation/
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I've come to see that these "no effects" studies are really simply for the purposes of propaganda.
If they get published those who know the research well will understand their limitations.
But the point of the research is NOT to persuade the informed.
The point of the research is to get cited by mainstream news, such as Science Daily and other such outlets directed toward popular opinion.
The goal is to make the public think that a significant increase in background radiation has no effect.
I bet some people somewhere are anticipating that significant increases in background radiation are going to be reported.
This MIT study is poisoning the well…
ML posted this interesting tidbit on another thread:
A study done on a population of people who lived in an area that was naturally more radioactive due to a concentration of radioactive phosphorus did not show outwardly apparent mutations. But when their mitochondrial DNA was compared with a population living with more usual rates of background radiation, then the patterns of damage that emerged. (http://www.pnas.org/content/99/21/13950.long Natural Radioactivity and Human Mitochondrial DNA Mutations by Forster, et al, 2002.)
So when the pro-nuclear data started being generated it was well before we knew about mitochondrial DNA, and well before we began understanding how mitochondrial DNA was more susceptible to even relatively low levels of natural radiation.
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Exactly, Majia. It is up to us to call them on their deliberate obfuscation of the facts and continue to spread the truth to as many people as we can. Slowly but surely, the truth will out.
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Thanks Iam335. Of course, it's MIT, so they would present such a case.
http://enenews.com/mits-pro-nuclear-activism-govt-paying-university-to-figure-out-how-to-get-public-to-accept-nuclear-projects-video
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BUT, in fairness, here's an interesting one from their page:
"Biotech start-up develops lotion to block radiation"
"A Utah biotech firm has developed seemingly simple solutions to rather high-tech and potentially harmful problems. BloXR (pronounced BLOX-er) — a Salt Lake City start-up company — has created two products aimed at better protecting medical professionals and patients from radiation exposure, including a lotion that blocks X-rays…
The lotion uses bismuth oxide to create a ceramic material that has the same effectiveness as typical lead-based radiation protection, but without the added toxicity and weight…
…the lotion is meant to be applied over the entire hand and covered by a latex glove, allowing full dexterity by the doctor or other medical professional as they perform procedures…
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865557211/Biotech-start-up-develops-lotion-to-block-radiation.html?pg=all
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is this legit? If its not to expensive i could test it at work with IR.
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I don't know, but on the page where the article is they have a copy of an X-ray image that supposedly contrasts a patient's hand (without the cream) and the doctor's hands (with the cream).
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yeah i seen that, but we know that a plastic bag will stop alpha from being detected by your geiger.
Would be good to test at higher doses then the low dose they used for that image. Be nice to see how much it will block. Im sure you could work it into a soap.
I need to finish my aquaphonic greenhouse first before i start testing clay.
Understanding that radiation is accumulative, is there a certain thresh hold of contamination that is set?
Im sure eventually everything storebought will be contaminated. Just wondering how long we have untill food/ground water contamination gets us. Those aquifers run for miles and miles…
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If it's an x-ray, it must be much more penetrating than the alpha that can be blocked by plastic. I wonder if the idea for this cream was inspired by the mineral-based sunscreens.
I've been assuming food in the stores is contaminated since last spring/summer. I've been looking into hydroponics. Aquaponics is very intriguing, though I don't have room and don't eat fish.
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Yes it is penetrating, but imaging and fukushima are apples and oranges.
Imaging is absorbed, but it is filtered with aluminum in the tube housing. This causes mostly long wave radiation to pass through the body which is not absorbed. Short wave goes about an inch in, stops, and is absorbed by the cells.
Which is why i would want to test it at high doses. If it can block high amounts then i might be beneficial to our cause. I am not sure of the "Hotness" of radioactive particles in comparison to radiation imaging.
But being a lotion will cause the particles to cling to the skin as well if you think about it. This makes low dose Alpha external. You cant change your skin like you can a contaminated t-shirt.
I dont eat fish either, but if you can reduce your biaccumulation by having a semi contained enviroment, then im sure you will add another 5 years on your life.Besides, I would rather eat fish than bugs.
You can also do it inside your house. Along the windows and such. Or even with UV bulbs.
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Candlebox typed these pixels of light:
"But being a lotion will cause the particles to cling to the skin as well if you think about it. This makes low dose Alpha external. You cant change your skin like you can a contaminated t-shirt."
Good point, Candlebox. I will wait to hear how they will find a "work around" for that…(I remember all the hype several years ago about the new! nano-sized particles used for better absorption of sunblock. Not sure what they were thinking…Why would anyone want to absorb potentially toxic chemicals even further into their skin and bloodstream? Yikes!)
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good ole ANuS …
it's good that "realistic assessment" is only instigated by "the assertions continue to gain a wider audience".
like hey, you don't bother with a 'realistic assessment' if no one is looking, right ?
i've posted a few links of the corrupt activities of ANuS here on enenews. They peddle their wares at schools and on youtube.
another insulting joke of the nuke industry.
thanks for the post.
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Caldicott on Rocky Flats (USA Colorado…hi Anne and bow to u)
Also new fuku fallout forecast with radchick etc..
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/nnn.html
jet streams, rad effects and remediation protocols
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/forum/index.php/board,24.0.html
for those in USA heeding the call
http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml
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also Nuclear Storage: Explosive Developments
by Chris Busby
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Speaking of Anne, has anyone heard from her lately?
Anne, I've been thinking of you and hoping you're safe and not being affected by the out-of-control fires near Fort Collins. I saw a photo yesterday of the smoke plumes hovering over Denver.
Please check in and let us know you are ok, ok?
Take care.
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E.On seeks nuclear damages from German government
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18420698
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Hey andii, good find! They got nerves, don't they? If they succeed, the taxpayer will have to pay for it – fueling the ongoing PR machinery which wants to convince us the renewables are too expensive….
*peace. no nukes.
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And they unfortunately will get that money because they relied on german laws that were made by themselfs and their puppets. It is unbelievable, but that is what will be the verdict "in the name of the people"… Merkel made this "end of nuclear" so dilletantish that they get our money either way. And we also will pay hundreds of years in the future for the disposal of all their waste.
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I am Speechless
"The operator of the stricken Fukushima nuclear plant has been dumping something like a thousand tons per day of radioactive water into the Pacific ocean." – Washington's Blog
A thousand tons = 239,650 gallons a day.
As far as I can tell all the oceans and seas are connected, therefore, there is only one ocean, on this one planet.
The majority of all living things live in it or because of it.
They knew it was wrong when they invented it. They knew it could go wrong when they built it. They knew it would eventually happen when they started it. In the end they knew they did it because they wanted to prove they could do it and damn every living thing.
AND DAMN EVERY LIVING THING.
TO THOSE WHO KILLED OUR MOTHER -
WE of Planet Earth in unison on the 11th of every month, Raise our finger to salute your accomplishments.
Let every nation, every tribe and people joint the one finger salute, to remember what they have done.
Here's to you, you who killed our MOTHER.
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Hi Noah,
Could you please provide us with a link? I want to read the full horror.
Thank you…
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BreadAndButter,
Here it is…
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=31200
In particular enjoy a well written piece @
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/
"Estimating the Potential Impact of Failure of the Fukushima Daiichi Unit 4 Spent Fuel Pool"
Posted on June 12, 2012 by WashingtonsBlog
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thanks Noah!
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57,000,000 TONS – the largest, most powerful nuclear weapon ever detonated
0:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4R8lAjVzj0&feature=related
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8:05am EDT Tried to post this to WSJ blog…doesn't show up
"The End ?"
When the SFP at #4 reactor is breached and the resulting radioactive firestorm ensues, half of the Island of Honshu will have to be evacuated. Thousands in Japan will die within days, weeks and months from radiation poisoning. It will be a global catastrophe of epic proportions, contaminating the northern hemisphere, resulting in tens of millions of deaths. No country will be spared. Following the jet stream blowing west, the US and Canadian coasts will be the most hard hit/contaminated. The entire US and Canada will not be spared.
There are reports that the Japanese government has been in talks with China and Russia discussing the potential of evacuating 40 million people, and the associated logistics. Some predict this event will collapse the economy of Japan, and destroy the fortunes of many of its trading partners.
Your chance of being irradiated from Fukushima (past, present, future) is extremely high/likely. And, as each day ticks bye, we get closer to a radiological firestorm that will make Chernobyl look pale as to what is unfolding. Those of us, who will not be exposed to radionuclides, will be the exceptions.
You will inhale it, eat it, or have skin exposure. And, it will metastasize into a cancer sometime in your life. Your DNA will be corrupted; and, if you procreate, you will pass your damaged genes on to the next generation, and each generation thereafter.
continued…
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Radiation levels in the western US and Canada will be extreme as to cause some radiation poisoning in small segments of the population resulting in premature biological extinctions. Food stuffs grown and produced in California and other western states will be too contaminated to pick, and/or consume. All products from Japan should be suspect as to their potential, to be radioactive.
Adding more radiation to the atmosphere and the ocean, Japan is incinerating millions of tons of radioactive debris, and then dumping the ash in Tokyo Bay. Incineration doesn’t remove radiation; this process off gases radionuclides into the air, and the other radionuclides are concentrated in the ash. Incineration of radioactive debris only serves as a volume reducer. There is no method to remediate radioactive isotopes except to remove them from humankind.
TEPCO has admitted to dumping 1000 tons a day of radioactive water…(240,000/GPD or close to 1,000,000 million gallons every 4 days) Historically, TEPCO has fudged and misrepresented its actual discharge rates. Many experts believe these numbers have been significantly understated. The radioactive sea plume has reached Hawaii and should reach the US in less than 6 months. Sea water evaporates, clouds form that produce rain, adding another level of contamination to the atmosphere and land. Additionally, some approximately 50,000,000 tons of construction debris is headed our way, expected to hit the US and Canadian continued…
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coasts in the next 6 months. Much of it will be dangerously radioactive.
This will be the beginning of the end for millions of people, and a mass corruption of the *gene pool for man and all other living creatures and plants. This will be the end of nuclear power, too; but, it will be the end of many of us, consequently.
It’s not a question of if; it’s just a matter of when.
If you think those who created this nuclear power electricity scheme will be able to contain Fukushima; think again. The same folks who got us into this mess, are the ones charged with fixing it…WTF? Remember the Deepwater Horizon and how the offender BP was left to be the fixer…insanity.
As Rachel Maddow characterized the possibility of a meltdown at SPF #4, we’d have to invent a way to control/fix it. There is no known solution…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/46981461#46981461
*Gene pool corruption…See this Chernobyl preview of our future, I dare you. http://inmotion.magnumphotos.com/essay/chernobyl
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As always, very powerful commentary Cisco…
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Yes…good doomsday reporting Cisco Kid…one correction from Pancho:
CK sez…"Following the jet stream blowing west"
SP: America is east of Japan and the jetstream blows east.
If it blew west the Chinese would be Fukooed first. But the typhoons will bring them some in the coming months.
Meanwhile we are Fukooed today…my skies looked like the radioactive haze from Hell and it also rained earlier (sucky way to bring down the June day emissions from Fukushambles).
Dakotas are getting hammered:
http://www.intellicast.com/National/Wind/JetStream.aspx
Different jetstream forecaster paints a broader USA brush…sorry Taco!
http://squall.sfsu.edu/gif/jetstream_norhem_00.gif
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Oops…Should have been "East". Thanks for the correction Pancho.
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Radiation is the Real Risk for Breast Cancer
Junk Science Week: CT scans are the real risk, not plastics
Special to Financial Post Jun 12, 2012 – 9:03 PM ET
http://opinion.financialpost.com/2012/06/12/junk-science-week-ct-scans-are-the-real-risk-not-plastics/
The Institute of Medicine in the U.S. recently released its comprehensive review of environmental causes and risk factors for breast cancer.
This should be news: The report, Environmental Causes of Breast Cancer and Radiation From Medical Imaging, published in this week’s Archives of Internal Medicine, found that “none of the consumer products (i.e. bisphenol A, phthalates), industrial chemicals (i.e. benzene, ethylene oxide), or pesticides (i.e. DDT/DDE) considered could be conclusively linked to an increased risk of breast cancer.”
Instead, what the institute found was an association between breast cancer and ionizing radiation, as well as a link between breast cancer and postmenopausal hormone replacement therapy (HRT).
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Mammograms Are Biggest Cause Of Breast Cancer; via A Green Road http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/06/mammograms-are-biggest-cause-of-breast.html
Lethal Dangers of CT Scans And X-Rays; via A Green Road Blog http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/05/lethal-danger-of-ct-scans-and-x-rays.html
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How DARE the American Cancer Society continue to sell women on the need to get yearly mammograms??? It is offensive and unconscionable, in light of all this recent evidence being released in the news.
It is a HUGE business, with women being cajoled and bribed into getting their mammograms at "spa-like" imaging centers designed just for them. Get pampered while you get cancer! Sounds like a great idea, ladies…(NOT!)
Argghhh….
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It's the American CANCER Society, WATKids. If cancer rates don't keep going up, they don't have jobs. Cancer accounts for the most effective tool for separating people from their money the oligarchy ever stumbled upon. Cancer accounts for a surprisingly large chunk of the actual economy, not just 'health care' industry and supports.
Rates are expected to go up to 1:2 by 2030. How high they CAN go is the open question, since some people will always die of something else first. There's Big Bucks in cancer. Don't think the profiteers haven't noticed.
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Eewww…that is just so frighteningly insidious, JoyB. I wonder though: Is it truly a concerted effort (a.k.a. "conspiracy") or is it just a bunch of (independently) over-zealous, greedy folks foaming at the mouth as they see their patient list growing exponentially, and thus their bank accounts? Job security at its finest. Sigh…
Does it have to be a pre-planned effort for it to be equally as awful that people are profiting from the suffering of others? Or that people are DYING because (in America, land of the free and brave), they can no longer afford health care insurance? (And why do they continue to call it "care" when all the insurance companies seem to "care" about are their profits?)
Whatever it is, either by design or "luck" of the relatively few who benefit from citizens' ill health, it is truly SICK and, it bears repeating, a MORAL MALIGNANCY.
If my visit today to the doctor's is any indication, we are in serious trouble here in Western Washington. I have been to this medical facility numerous times, but NEVER have I seen the parking lot overflowing as I did this morning. Where are all these people coming from and why are they at their doctor's?
I think I don't want to know the answer to that question…
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There is in fact vast knowledge of thousands upon thousands of carcinogenic compounds in our environment (all around us and in us all the time), cumulative over decades, even in the gated McMansion communities and not just dumped on poor folks out in the boonies.
Once a food additive, household, agricultural or industrial chemical is approved by the FDA – an entirely political/money operation – it can take decades before enough evidence amasses to get it banned. That's a political act too. It always takes some time for any type of carcinogen to cause cancer clusters enough to set off alarms. And it's usually too late to mitigate the harm done by the time that particular cause is identified. Every carcinogen eventually banned is replaced by ten more. So the cancer rate rise over time over the past century was entirely predictable. The rise from here [2010 odds 1:3] is entirely predictable too.
I don't think there's an Evil Mastermind cackling over each new contribution to our slow and ugly demise. I do there there are Evil Little-minds out there willing to deal death in order to be rich/important. Enough to add up to one severely challenge to the existence of life on planet earth. I include polluters of all varieties here. They're banking on "Remission in a Bottle" for themselves, and genetic engineering for their progeny. They don't care about the rest of us at all. Never did.
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Truly frightening to try and wrap one's mind around all of the carcinogens we've managed to dump into our environment over the years.
What is the solution that will end this seemingly endless polluting…without simply waiting for the "Tipping Point" to do us all in?
It seems our schools need to teach our future citizens how to see the Bigger Picture of how each of our small actions has an effect on the larger world. We need to be taught to think before we act. We need to realize that finding "clever" ways to circumvent environmental regulations to skate by so we may dump yet another not-yet-regulated carcinogen into our environment is hurting us ALL, including the polluter and their family and future generations.
Who is regulating the regulators? Congress? Who is regulating Congress? Supposedly the people, with our votes? Then why do we allow them to get away with continuing to accept bribes from corporations and their lobbyists and the PAC men??? Who is regulating THEM???
Time to clean house, literally and figuratively…but where to start? The problem is huge. But we need to start somewhere. Awareness and education are keys to help begin addressing these problems. Without them, it will just be more of the same myopic, self-serving greedy folks eyeing at their next big "deal" to come along, until they too, succumb to the very ecocide they have precipitated.
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They sound like IEAE apologists, but they did think fit to include this:
"Pursue post-Fukushima Action Plan for nuclear safety, including IAEA emergency preparedness and response"
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Unleashing the Nuclear Watchdog: CIGI study commends IAEA but proposes strengthening and reform
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/752068#ixzz1xgU6pGF8
http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/752068
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IAEA
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Rice-planting in protective clothing
http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/06/rice-planting-in-protective-clothing/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FukushimaDiary+%28Fukushima+Diary%29
I find this painful to look at..
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Anyone know what happened to Whooopie?
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ALERT! Palisades Nuke Plant in Michigan – see info and link below:
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=NC-20120613-35433-USA
The Palisades nuclear power plant is shut down. Officials at the plant removed it from service due to what is being described as a "small leak" in the plant's safety injection and refueling water tank. That tank holds as much as 300-thousand gallons of water that is used remove heat from the reactor's core in the event of a coolant accident and to increase "shutdown safety margin." It's not known how long the troubled facility will remain out of service. Palisades has been ranked by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission as one of the four worst nuclear plants in the nation.
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Comment from Rad Reading Forum:
Rad Network Late Night [JUNE 10] 80 CPM in Minnesota. Held upper 70's for several hours throughout the late evening. This looked 'out of place' to me and it continued to be the highest reading in the country for quite some time.
Here's some screen shots.
79 cpm – http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2099954/Rad%20Network%2079%20in%20MN.jpg
78 cpm – http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2099954/Rad%20Network%2078%20in%20MN.jpg
80 cpm – http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2099954/Rad%20Network%2080%20in%20MN.jpg
weather – http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2099954/Rad%20Minn%20Weather%20Radar%20001.jpg
Times on the Radiation Network screen are Pacific Time. (approximately 9:30 to 10:30 June 10, 2012 for these screen shots)
see original post:
http://enenews.com/forum-post-radiation-monitoring-data-april-30-2012-present/comment-page-6#comment-260767
hmmm…?
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If you or anyone else is so inspired, you might check Intellicast to see which way the wind is blowing from Palisades NPP. The goal, of course, is to remain upwind of any "troubled" NPPs. I see a great growth opportunity for Winnebago and a new alerting app for smartphones…
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Good find, ChasAha! I have been watching RN on an off for quite awhile, but never saw MN go that high.
Perhaps it was a case of one of those "stealth releases" of excess radioactive steam by their local nuclear waste generating station (a.k.a. Nuclear Power Plant), as Arclight and others here have postulated are regular occurrences in the nuke industry under the cover of night, or strong storm fronts moving through, etc., etc…?
Hmm…anyone here from that area who might be able to shed some light on this?
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Too Many Scans? Use of CT Scans Triples, Study Finds
By ALICE PARK | @aliceparkny | June 13, 2012
Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2012/06/13/too-many-scans-use-of-ct-scans-triples-study-finds/#ixzz1xh67n6LF
http://healthland.time.com/2012/06/13/too-many-scans-use-of-ct-scans-triples-study-finds/
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Hard-hit govts understaffed / Many officials in quake-stricken region taking early retirement
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T120612004752.htm
"The Yomiuri Shimbun
Municipal governments in areas devastated by the Great East Japan Earthquake are now being affected by another crisis–a severe manpower shortage, according to a Yomiuri Shimbun survey.
In a recent survey of 42 cities, towns and villages in the three worst-hit prefectures–Iwate, Miyagi and Fukushima–the Yomiuri found that large numbers of municipal employees took early retirement after the March 11, 2011, disaster, with many suffering from mental fatigue."
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Prairie Island Nuke Plant in Minn had a leak last week??? See link for more info, it closed down two schools…..
http://www.kare11.com/news/article/954704/396/Leak-at-Prairie-Island-Nuclear-plant-delays-schools
Xcel Energy confirms that operators at Prairie Island Nuclear Generating Plant declared an alert at 3:53 a.m. Thursday after workers discovered sodium hypochloride, commonly known as chlorine bleach, leaking from a tank in the screen house. The chemical is used to treat water that is brought into the plant for cooling.
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Wow, they had a "small spill of tritium" back in Feb and didn't even bother reporting it!!!
http://www.startribune.com/local/138879559.html
NRC spokeswoman Viktoria Mitlyng says the tritium concentration was well below the level the Environmental Protection Agency allows for drinking water and did not pose a health risk to workers or the community. She says the utility isn't required to report such small releases but does so as a courtesy.
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Remember! 349.5 CPM — Airborne indoor particulates — St. Louis, MO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Eybu7vwkxY
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Osaka Bay Turning yellow @Fukushima Diary
http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/06/osaka-bay-looking-yellow/?tw_p=twt
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New Term: Maltdown = 3 Meltdowns (w/explosion)
Credit: Jebus June 7, 2012 at 11:43 pm
http://enenews.com/tepco-inspects-daini-reactor-paint-galvanization-coming-inside-containment-vessel-blamed-temperature-humidity-increase-after-311-quake-photos/comment-page-1#comment-259561
Sort of like a 'Hat-Trick' in hockey.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hat-trick
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All the pediatricians of Saitama Red Cross Hospital are going to leave
http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/06/all-the-pediatricians-of-saitama-red-cross-hospital-are-going-to-leave/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FukushimaDiary+%28Fukushima+Diary%29
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Japanese to develop drones to monitor radiation:
http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/japan-to-develop-drones-to-monitor-radiation
Excerpt:
"Japan’s nuclear energy authority and the country’s space agency Tuesday announced a joint project to develop a drone to measure radioactivity in the environment after last year’s nuclear disaster.
Japan has been forced to invent or improve systems for measuring radioactive contamination since a 9.0-magnitude quake and tsunami in March 2011 sparked the world’s worst nuclear crisis in a generation at the Fukushima nuclear plant.
Remote-controlled helicopters have been used but are not suitable for remote and mountainous territory as they have to fly low and the operator has to be able to see the aircraft, the Japanese Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) said.
But unmanned aircraft could fly at higher altitudes over potentially contaminated areas, resolving the issue."
SP: Of course that will make the detection levels so much more worthless measuring hundreds of feet above the really contaminated ground soil. Brilliant idea Yoshihiko!
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Antinuclear civic group submits 7.48 million signatures to lower house speaker
YES, THATS 7.48 MILLION SIGNATURES!
"Where on earth is the people's will and democracy, if they do not listen to the voice of 7.5 million…let us once again turn our eyes to those people who remain in Fukushima as well as those who were forced to leave there," said writer Keiko Ochiai, another activist leading the group.
http://mainichi.jp/english/english/newsselect/news/20120613p2g00m0dm015000c.html
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Wow! Thanks for sharing this great news, Jebus! Yes, and if 7.48 million signatures on a petition won't wake the gvt up, I'm sure that having the petition's signers (signatories) show up on their doorstep in protest will.
I am sure there are analysts who tell TPTB when they need to listen to the will of the people, when it reaches a certain critical mass, or risk anarchy and revolt. Sounds like this may be a good time for them to pay close attention or…else.
Crossing my fingers that finally, their gvt pays attention and acts according to the will of a majority of the citizens of Japan this time.
The world is watching…
In the words of The Talking Heads ("Life During Wartime"):
"This ain't no party, this ain't no disco,
this ain't no fooling around
This ain't no Mudd Club, or C. B. G. B.'s,
I ain't got time for that now"…
http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Life-During-Wartime-lyrics-Talking-Heads/967AF7336A98B8D1482568B0002CC4EF
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Japan: Ignorance and/or Dishonesty of "Energy Experts"
Weapons of Disinformation
The most common item in this process of manipulating the public discussion in favor of a vested interest has been the publishing of studies and reports by private "scientific" institutes. These papers by so-called "energy experts" are disguised as objective scientific assessments of the current situation and future developments.
Studies and other papers published by these institutes might seem like quality work at first, but people with some background knowledge soon notice irritating errors and a strong bias in a certain direction. The so-called "energy experts" who write these papers are utilizing rather unsound methods of arranging selectively collected data and quotes from other studies (some of which were conducted in the same way) in order to reach a pre-determined conclusion.
I call these kinds of studies weapons of disinformation because their sole purpose is to convince the public and industrial and political leaders who might not have enough subject knowledge to notice the bias.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/20120612/japan-ignorance-and-dishonesty-quot-energy-experts-quot.htm
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Another excellent find, Jebus! As always, I appreciate your fantastic contributions to this forum.
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Latest Update on Japan Dock at Agate Beach – from Oregon State Parks at:
http://www.newslincolncounty.com/?p=53668
Selected quotes from article are:
+The Oregon Parks and Recreation Department has received six bids to remove the derelict dock at Agate Beach. ……
+If practical, we encourage you to remove the debris and recycle as much of it as possible. Use your judgment — if you see a significant amount of debris or anything you think might be related to the tsunami, send an email with the date, location and photos to beach.debris@state.or.us……..
+ Derelict vessel or other large debris item. Examples: Adrift fishing boat, shipping containers.
Contact 911. If the debris is a hazard to navigation, contact the US Coast Guard Pacific Area Command at 510-437-3701 for assistance. Do not attempt to move or remove vessels.
+ Mementos or possessions. Examples: Items with unique identifiers, names, or markings.
If an item can 1) be traced back to an individual or group and 2) has personal or monetary value, contact the department at 1-888-953-7677 or by email at beach.debris@state.or.us so we can make appropriate arrangements for return of items to Japan.
+ Potential hazardous materials. Examples: Oil or chemical drums, gas cans, propane tanks.
Call the National Response Center at 1-800-424-8802 to report the item with as much information as possible. Do not touch the item or attempt to move it.
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If you didn't see my post earlier this week about the inventor of the term China Syndrome (Dr. Ralph Lapp) then I suggest you take a few minutes to watch the rare archived footage of his interview conducted by Mike Wallace in 1957. Many fascinating similarities between today's nuclear crisis and the one Dr. Lapp was on a crusade for in 1957 (he was one of the first anti-atomic bomb scientists and was one of the original builders of the atomic bomb).
He warns Americans about fallout patterns, destruction of male sperm from fallout (he suggested a sperm bank to insure the survival of the human race to Congress), and the impossibility of proving fallout radiation kills 50,000 people with future cancers. It is a big deja vu moment to see nothing essentially has changed in 55 years.
One segment I liked:
WALLACE: Now, you dropped your scientific research several years ago to go on a kind of a crusade to warn against the perils of radiation. Are you doing this and do other scientists do this, perhaps, to salve a guilty conscience for having helped to create this destructive power?
LAPP: That's a really deep question, Mike. I have been talking with a very famous scientist yesterday. He explained something of what I am — he said: "You're a 'mutant'." (LAUGHS) I guess I am kind of a mutant."
http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/multimedia/video/2008/wallace/lapp_ralph_t.html
Well-worth the watch! The transcript is there also.
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Thanks for the great link
night all…
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Thanks, Sickputer! When will we ever learn…?
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I bus driver today told me that there is something going on in Ohio. There are a large number of women there with thyroid cancer.
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TYPO: A bus driver…
It's late. I was working on a computer programming problem the last three days.
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Glad you're back, Anne. Hope the smoke from the fires there isn't affecting you.
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Meltdown at Tokai?
NHK: IAEA training program begins in Tokai village
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/20120611_25.html
[Excerpted] "An international study program on nuclear energy and the Fukushima accident has begun in Tokai village, north of Tokyo.
Engineers from countries mainly in Asia and Africa are taking part in the Nuclear Energy Management School. The program is sponsored by the International Atomic Energy Agency…."
[end excerpt]
This is very strange.
Anne and Bobby1 have been warning us about the Tokai nuclear reactor complex.
Is Tokai village the same place as the where the reactors are in Tokai?
If so, this training exercise may be a cover for a very big problem in Tokai? Japan has a breeder reactor there.
Bobby this is relevant to your comment above:
Bobby1
June 11, 2012 at 12:56 pm • Reply
Gamma-analysis of airborne particulates sampled in Youzhno-Sakhalinsk town at March – April 2011
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1203/1203.4879.pdf
Once again, thallium-208 found, and the thorium series. This comes from separation of uranium from plutonium. You would not expect this to come from Fuku. I believe it means that either Rokkasho or Tokai melted down, exploded or leaked… or else there was something funny going on, isotope separation, at Fuku.
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Another relevant comment:
Bobby1
April 24, 2012 at 10:49 am Log in to Reply
The excess amount of noble gases released from Japan indicates at least one other meltdown has occurred. The inventory of noble gases from Daiichi was completely gone after 5 days. But xenon and krypton was still being released after that.
"After Hitachi went into reactor 4 in the end of August, the rumor spread that reactor may have exploded."
The huge spike in radiation in rain that occurred in August suggests that Daini #4 may be responsible:
http://i42.tinypic.com/js20lw.jpg
This amount of radiation dwarfs Daiichi by comparison.
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ENEWS HEADLINES ABOUT TOKAI
NES level 1 event at Tokai nuclear plant after March 11 quake — Cobalt-60 detected outside of radiation control area — Safety inspectors rushed to site (PHOTOS)
http://enenews.com/ines-level-1-event-at-tokai-nuclear-plant-after-march-11-quake-cobalt-60-detected-outside-of-radiation-control-area-safety-inspectors-rushed-to-site
Title: Release of a very small quantity of radioactive materials outside of the radiation controlled area of the Tokai-Daini Power Station, owned by Japan Atomic Power Company
Source: METI Press Release
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Kyodo: Ceiling at Japan reactor catches fire — Burns 110 m² area in two hours — Just 100km from Fukushima http://enenews.com/japan-times-reactor-ceiling-catches-fire-burns-110-m%C2%B2-area-in-two-hours/comment-page-1
Research reactor ceiling catches fire, Kyodo, Dec. 21, 2011:
According to statements made by the plant operator and government:
A fire Tuesday partially burned the ceiling of a building housing a nuclear reactor
In Tokai, Ibaraki Prefecture [About 100 km south of Fukushima meltdowns]
At around 9:30 a.m.
Extinguished two hours later
110-sq.-meter area of glass-fiber acoustic absorbent covering the ceiling was burned
There was no change in the airborne radiation levels inside and outside the building
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majia, oh you found it. The noble gases in reactors 1-3 were completely emitted. This is supposedly 3 times the amount from Chernobyl. Chris Busby says it is 9 times Chernobyl:
http://nonuclear.se/en/fukushima-chernobyl-comparison-report-11.03.2011
But it's still releasing noble gases. Doesn't sound right to me.
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Bobby1, when you say "completely emitted," how does one know this? Do noble gases persist even after an explosion if there are coriums still burning hot or recriticality in spent fuel pools, etc.?
What is still releasing noble gases? Chernobyl? Fuku? Fuku #2 at Diani? Or? Do you have a link to recent measurements of these noble gases in the atmosphere in Japan (or elsewhere?)
Sorry for all the questions at once.
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WATK, "completely emitted" was quoted in a couple scientific articles which I can't find at the moment. Tepco has said #2 is still emitting krypton (as of a month ago or so) and xenon as of last November at earliest. These should be on the Tepco site somewhere.
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Thanks, Bobby1.
I just found this excellent resource, a website of a consultant on environmental radiation, Dr. Ian Fairlie, in the U.K. (I'm assuming Arclight already knows about him)
http://www.ianfairlie.org
Dr. Fairlie's post about the spikes in releases of noble gases at NPPs during refueling periods, and how such spikes could create an even greater number of cancers during these releases:
http://www.ianfairlie.org/uncategorized/radioactive-spikes-at-nuclear-power-stations/
He also has a fascinating report entitled "Tritium: The Cause of Leukemias?", on how the dangers of tritium have been grossly under-estimated/reported. Here it is in a downloadable .pdf format:
http://www.no2nuclearpower.org.uk/articles/se91-Fairlie.pdf
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White House supports the Kizuna Project
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/04/30/united-states-japan-joint-statement-shared-vision-future
To add insult to injury, it appears that the American taxpayer is likely to be funding this North American/Japanese exchange programme which is sending children from 40 American schools to clean up in Fukushima.
Just as I suspected.
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hi Sue, I have a feeling that they receive some kinds of fund that they can't pull out because of financial reason.
My stats tell me a story and other impression I got from… Don't really want to discuss it in public.
So sad. As if Japanese children's misery isn't enough…children from the world has to join in.
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The only way to stop is to directly contact the schools and parents to see if they really know what they are getting themselves into. Even then, I'm sure there will parents that say 'yeah fine, my child can go to Japan, we won't have the money to send them to aborad so this is an opportunity' blah blah blah…. death sentence. I think natural selection is occuring.
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and those that help make it happen…. justice day will come.
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Hi Andii. Wouldn't that be the ultimate cynical act, being "obligated" for financial reasons to follow through with sending kids into possible harm's way?
What about being obligated for ETHICAL and MORAL reasons to STOP this fool-hardy and unconscionable attempt on the part of the Japanese gvt to use children as their PR instruments, to help them put a "happy face" on a gravely serious situation.
How about instead channeling their energy, money and desire to help by helping some of the posters here at Enenews who live in Tokyo and have children and wish to evacuate to save their lives?
NedlifromVermont mentioned having undeveloped property in Vermont which could be developed into an evacuation area for some of the Japanese families. This would be a wonderful use of one's time and resources, actively working to bring families to safety.
Iori of http://www.Fukushima-Diary.com has a section on his website helping people connect who are wanting to evacuate or to help evacuees. This is another good place to put one's focus and efforts.
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Hi WATK, As you probably know by now, it's not the first time, people and children has been sacrificed in exchange of money. Children are used as a part of the PR spin, just as they are using children as guinea pigs for the human experiment project called 'just how much radiation can they take: feed them as usual'. I don't know this lady so only time will tell which path is to be selected.
Problem with the evacuation community abroad is simply visa. They can only stay upto 6 months on a tourist visa, then what? Go back to Japan? That's not what they want. They want a permanent solution because they know this is going to be a long battle. Furthermore, a source of regular income is problem too as most of them don't speak English. Those that can speak English have left the country.
But I think even 1 month or 6 months break from contaminated food, water and air would give body a time to recover. There is a Japanese woman, Ms Noro from Hokkaido, who has been committed to bring children from Belarus to Japan all these years since the Chernobyl accident. Sick children got a bit of break from contamination. But now this has happened, I'm not sure if she's continuing. If there wasn't a visa problem, things would have been much easier.
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Hi Andii. I'm sure Megan has nothing but good intent in her heart, wanting to show friendship and support to the children of Japan. What the PR gurus working for the Japanese gvt have in their hearts? Only they can say…likely, they are as disinformed as the next guy about the real dangers of radiation exposure and the true amounts of radiation that have been spread across Eastern Japan and beyond…
Yes, I imagine that for the evacuees, even having a 6 month break from the stress and exposure could buy them time to regroup and come up with Plan B. Perhaps host families or organizations working with the evacuees can help them work on solutions, like finding employment, language classes, etc..?
As I like to say, "Where there's a will, there's a way." I like to believe there are solutions to every problem. We just need to find the right resources which can help with finding those solutions.
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Hi Sue. In my conversation with Megan, who is helping organize the trip, she said they were working with the U.S. and Japanese gvts. to insure the kids were going to "safe" areas. I told her the Japanese gvt had raised the official "safe" levels because the contamination is just too great and too widespread. I told her it was a PR effort on behalf of the Japanese gvt. and gave her this website address to help better inform herself.
It will be up to her to follow through. She did seem receptive to learning more…
We can only hope she will do the right thing, as these kids are counting on and trusting the adults who are responsible for their well-being to keep the, safe and out of harm's way.
The LAST thing any of us would want to have to say is an 'but we warned you' AFTER the fact, should (God forbid) any child become ill from radiation contamination after such a trip.
Let's keep our attention on this…
Thanks!
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Oops, typo: "to keep THEM safe"…
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Thanks for your effort, WATK! Well done – make 'em think!
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My pleasure, B & B! Thank you!
Like most folks, I just want to make sure we adults act as responsibly as possible to protect our children and ensure they have a bright future and healthy environment in which to grow and thrive.
It is our duty to think about the children first and foremost.
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Hi WATK
Like Andi said, my plan was to try and contact the schools directly, just to make sure that the message arrived. However, I was unaware that schools in the US were closing this week so if the relevant teachers are unavailable, I will speak directly with the Principals. I also plan to make a follow up call to Megan. Will let you know the outcome.
I've also noticed that a couple of the other sites have picked up on this too. Good news.
Cheers
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Wonderful! Go get 'em, Sue! I didn't realize some other sites have picked up on this issue too. Good work! The more we spread the word, the more parents will become aware of the truth about what is happening in Japan.
I'll be staying tuned for updates! I gave Megan my email as well, so I'll let you know if I hear back from her too.
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How about contacting local newspapers or radio stations and see if they are sympathetic to this catastrophic plan? If they have a heart, may be they will say something. I don't know…just racking my brain for ideas. Problem is knowing which schools, how many are involved?
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The problem with contacting MSM outlets is that this project has the official backing of two gvts. Most editors are clueless when it comes to the truth about Fuku, so likely they have already slotted time and space in their papers for such a "feel good" story about kids reaching out in international friendship (which is in and of itself a good thing, if the children would not risk being exposed to radiation contamination.)
It may be an uphill battle going that particular route…though one could certainly try and seek out those individual reporters who might be more receptive to reporting this side of the story…
Rachael Maddow anyone?
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You've got to question why, govt don't fund the local people but so enthusiastic to financially support and invite the young foreigners to the country. The simple answer is PR, not because they want the kids' help. They have enough people in the country to help their own people who speaks the language. I don't mean kids are useless and the trip could have been a wonderful opportunity if it weren't for the radiation & SFP4.
Also, why don't govts give rescue money to one organisation but favours another? I bet you, if you present your idea to bring Japanese families over to your country, you won't be funded. So does the organisation that got funding have a special connection with TPTB with the same vision? People smile and says that they are concerned therefore they are doing a wonderful thing to the humanity. Look at Bill and Belinda or even Hillary. Sure, they can smile with intent.
For those who sent some info, do you know if it has even been looked at? This is the digital age and there is a way to know without you having to ask whether they have or not.
The idea of this trip is a very serious matter, life or death.
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