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  • lam335 lam335
    March 16, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    Gundersen speech and Q & A from Canadian radio show

    In Q & A, he mentions that a cedar sample from Southern California was found to have cesium in it [@ 34:00]. It contained both Cs 137 and Cs 134, and he says this combination is a "Fukushima signature."

    http://www.fairewinds.com/content/ecoshock-arnie-presents-fukushima-nuclear-disaster-one-year-later-conference


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  • CB CB
    March 16, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    Is it plausible to fill the spent fuel pool with concrete and move it knowing the melt out will occur in a given time, allowing a movement of the SFP to a predetermined vessel?


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  • bleep_hits_blades
    March 17, 2012 at 1:32 am

    Busby/Moret/Fetzer: Falluah, Fukushima, & the Global Radiation Catastrophe.

    Not sure if I posted this previously, but here it is, mo' bettah- – Parts 1 & 2, both audio and written transcript with some visual aids as well. Jim Fetzer, Chris Busby, Leuren Moret – having it in written form, with graphs, etc. really helps.

    Fallujah, Fukushima, & the Global Radiation Catastrophe, Part 1http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/02/13/fallujah-fukushima-and-the-global-radiation-catastrophe-part-i/

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/02/23/fallujah-fukushima-the-global-radiation-catastrophe-part-2/


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  • xdrfox
    March 17, 2012 at 2:44 am

    Don't compare Fukushima to Chernobyl
    16 March 2012 by Don Higson

    It's time to revise the way nuclear incidents are rated. Failure to do so plays into the hands of anti-nuclear propagandists

    EVERYBODY who gets cancer in Japan over the next 40 years will no doubt blame their misfortune on radiation from Fukushima Daiichi. This will probably be the case for many other diseases too, ranging from heart failure to nose bleeds – as happened after the catastrophic explosion in 1986 at Chernobyl, a Soviet nuclear power station in Ukraine. This would be entirely understandable but will have no basis in science. …

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21328566.500-dont-compare-fukushima-to-chernobyl.html


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    • Spectrometising
      March 17, 2012 at 8:56 am

      So i guess that you prefer HAARP then xdrfox…Maybe a cello????
      Using the word "science" is a rather large collective qualification.
      I would ask, which science??
      Funded by whom??


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      • xdrfox
        March 17, 2012 at 10:02 am

        Spectrometising,
        Not sure how to take your post, You do realize I post news stories to show what is out there, I did not write this story you are aware, yes ? Are you shooting the messenger ?


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        • aigeezer aigeezer
          March 17, 2012 at 10:44 am

          Suggestion: Put it in quotes, xdrfox, to minimize the chance of misinterpretation.

          That is one revolting piece of propaganda, from an obviously biased source, judging by the bio (Higson, not you).

          e-media facilitate misunderstandings, and this is a very noisy place, especially on weekends.

          Good find, by the way, even though it's creepy.


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          • xdrfox
            March 17, 2012 at 10:54 am

            aigeezer,
            Sadly I find much of this and as I have said before, I post here so others can see the force we are up against, talk shows also bring in the published insanity defending nukes in the face of know horrors pushing that reality out of MSM !!


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            • Spectrometising
              March 17, 2012 at 11:17 am

              True XDRfox.("defending nukes")
              The obfuscation process in my view amounts to the creation of theories. Usually enough to sink a cork. Also..usually on weekends.
              I do not offer a story, just some spin on the pre-exiting ones.


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        • Cindy Cindy
          March 18, 2012 at 11:24 am

          I've known you TOO long to know you don't believe THIS crap!
          I knew it was a "reference" all along…you were just relaying what you read. Sheesh…some people need to lighten up!
          Great find BTW! Reminds us what the other ones are regurgitating!


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    • Sickputer
      March 17, 2012 at 9:23 am

      They are very good at propaganda. Old Donnie boy will be up for a raise for his slanted story.

      I could refute him at length, but just to keep it simple: the reason few have died at Daiichi compared to Chernobyl is obvious to me. The amount of effort expended by the respective countries has been a sore point for Fukushima observers. With the longterm human health viability of Japan and the world at stake the Japanese government has allowed a socalled private company dictate policy. As a result the manpower and resources have been puny compared to the single reactor accident in 1986.

      Worst case consequences of this terribly inadequate response: They may have set in motion the extermination of the human race from global infiltration of the Daiichi releases which continue every day. There is no projected end to the crisis in Japan.

      The billion dollar efforts in Chernobyl aided in part by massive slave labor paid off with an early cap to the crisis at least for the continuing emissions. This quick effort caused the 50 or so immediate deaths the Russians reported and the number of long term deaths are a matter of who you believe. The nuclear cabal says very few while other observers ascribe huge death tolls.

      The veil of secrecy in Japan is perhaps more extensive than Russia in 1986. Maybe many Japanese workers have died. It is certainly reasonable to speculate deaths have occurred because we view the vapors on video and see the inadequate safety equipment worn by workers. In any event we know the numbers of active workers at there megaplex are so small that they haven't any possible hope to stop the crisis in a timely fashion. And in the long run we may learn there never was any hope regardless of the numbers.

      100 million workers with boron and ice pack vests piling enmasse into the jaws of death at Fukushima Daiichi might not be enough to stop the unquenchable nuclear fires.


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  • Spectrometising
    March 17, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Maybe the fantasy psy-op jets flying in polluted atmospheres infested with northern hemisphere nano-pollution should try flying somewhere cleaner.
    That might clean up the chemistry-trails.

    I suspect you would have a better chance of finding "science" at a Geneva convention hosting the subject of creating ivory from the skeleton of flies these days.


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  • Whoopie Whoopie
    March 17, 2012 at 9:35 am

    #Fukushima: Ashley Judd On Activism And 'Missing' http://huff.to/ygHzRu via @huffingtonpost


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    • Whoopie Whoopie
      March 17, 2012 at 9:42 am

      Ashley, love your work, both on and off screen. I was wondering if you knew that Japan is still very critical, with the Daiichi PP's emitting dangerous amounts of Radiation still TODAY. The Government has failed in all attempts to control this situation and in fact, are burning and burying debris all over the area. Would love to see you get a campaign going to help get the Children Evacuated from Japan. They need all the help they can get.
      Thank you.


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  • xdrfox
    March 17, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Japan encourages citizens to eat radiation tainted food | Wake Up …
    … was blogging on her struggle with radiation sickness from Fukushima when her blog was shut down. …

    http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/blog/andie531/japan-encourages-citizens-eat-radiation-tainted-food


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  • Whoopie Whoopie
    March 17, 2012 at 10:02 am

    Alec, I would love to see you get a campaign going to help get the Japanese Children Evacuated from Japan. They need all the help they can get right now. The Daiichi PP's are still very critical, emitting massive amounts of Poison/radiation. As I'm sure you know, it's the Children who will be affected for years to come. Please consider using your celebrity status in urging the Government to Evacuate them. THEY NEED HELP!
    Thank you.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/16/alec-baldwin-peta-ad-elephant_n_1353790.html


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  • Whoopie Whoopie
    March 17, 2012 at 10:06 am

    Shadyflwrs Thank You Monsanto! | Honeybee Deaths Linked to Corn Insecticides – Yahoo! News http://t.co/74EPcNbQ


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  • Whoopie Whoopie
    March 17, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Oh man! We need to get this SPINNING WITH SIGNATURES!!
    Click to sign the Fukushima Declaration for a #nuclear-free future — see how many have signed in every prefecture http://www.avaaz.org/en/fukushima_declaration_pledge_mf/?twi


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  • Whoopie Whoopie
    March 17, 2012 at 10:35 am

    Julian Assange Makes Big Announcement http://huff.to/zgTdN4 via @huffingtonpost ASSANGE IS RUNNING FOR SENATE!


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  • Whoopie Whoopie
    March 17, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Question: Is SHADY FLOWERS a member here? God I LOVE EVERYTHING he/she does. HERE'S ANOTHER EXPLOSIVE ONE
    RT @Shadyflwrs When This Happens, Most Nuclear Power Plants in the World Could Melt Down http://t.co/hSY5UnvO


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  • xdrfox
    March 17, 2012 at 11:08 am

    In U.S., sickness from imported foods on the rise ‹ Japan Today …
    People in the United States are getting sick more often from imported foods in … and widest range of Japan News with JapanToday's News Alert newsletter.

    http://www.japantoday.com/category/food/view/in-u-s-sickness-from-imported-foods-on-the-rise


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  • Whoopie Whoopie
    March 17, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Tweet Fire or light at Fukushima plants: From 21:00 ~ 22:00 3/17/2012, something looking like fire was captured by Fuk… http://bit.ly/FPyYhX


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose
    March 17, 2012 at 11:46 am

    ..Speaking of good shots…I hadn't looked at the photos of the Fukushima 50 in a while..
    The picure of the crew of the USS R.Reagan swabbing the deck…really gets to me…no protective gear…
    The Fukushima 50..and all the workers at Fukushima..
    May God bless and keep you.
    http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/2011/03/the-%E2%80%9Cfukushima-50%E2%80%9D/


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    • Whoopie Whoopie
      March 17, 2012 at 11:50 am

      THEY ARE HEROS!! Oh man, everytime I think about these guys, my heart breaks. Just breaks. GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE! You do not have to be there. WORLD GOVERNMENTS SHOULD GO AND HELP OUT! Something needs to be done!!


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  • Whoopie Whoopie
    March 17, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Fukushima radiation in the Pacific — Time-lapse video http://bit.ly/yPwOU8
    BBL


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  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven
    March 17, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    @Whoopie, I sent a friend request on Facebook. :) Find it above your Avatar photo. I use facebook to get the word out on various issues. The Occupy facebook groups are a great way to do that.

    Important to NOTE:

    Use the Search Function & type in Occupy. Choose one go to the page & Like it, let it reload. Note some pages only allow you to comment, not to create your own post. So on those just add a link or comment on a post of your choosing.

    Note: Facebook only allows you to generally Create or comment about 4 times in 24 hours on various pages. More than that & you will be *prevented from making comments or creating posts for up to 2 weeks except for your own wall…I know ;)

    Easiest to create the post on your wall first, then go to the Occupy Facebook pages you have Liked & copy the info.

    Thanks for the link to the Declaration.

    p.s. If you choose to friend me, send me a Private message if you would like any help, anytime. Just click on my name in your friends list, it will take you to my wall…then upper Right you will see message button. When I reply you will see the message in red above your Avatar photo.


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  • openeye openeye
    March 17, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    I JUST WANT TO GO ON RECORD AS ONE WHO TRUSTS GUNDERSEN'S PURE-HEARTED HEROISM, AND ALSO AJ'S. I LISTENED TO SOME OF THEIR VIDEOS OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS AND MY HEART IS TELLING ME THEY HAVE UTTER INTEGRITY IN TRYING TO HELP HUMANITY.

    IMHO AJ'S TWO RECENT INTERVIEWS WITH PALAST WERE WONDERFUL, AS WAS AJ'S LATEST DOCUMENTARY ON MADMEN RUNNING THE GLOBE: IT CONDEMNS NUCLEAR DANGERS IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE.

    AFTER DEEP RESEARCH I FIND THERE ARE NO NEFARIOUS CONNECTIONS BETWEEN GCN IN MN AND ANY IMPURE ENTITIES, JUST A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO DISCREDIT AJ BECAUSE OF THEIR OWN AGENDAS.

    FOR ANYONE WHO DISAGREES, WE WILL JUST HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE, AND GO ON WORKING TOGETHER TO FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST THE UNIMAGINABLE SUFFERING CONFRONTING OUR PLANET.

    I FOUND THE MOST WONDERFUL QUOTE WHICH EXPLAINED WHY I HAVE BEEN IN SO MUCH PAIN ABOUT WHO CAN BE TRUSTED AND WHO CAN'T, AND WHY I HAVE TO JUST WALK AWAY FROM THIS NOW:

    "“The essential element in the black art of obscurantism is not that it wants to darken individual understanding but that it wants to blacken our picture of the world, and darken our idea of existence”

    LOVE AND HUGS TO ALL,

    OPENEYE


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  • jedi jedi
    March 17, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    JAPAN things Go to bed with problem in hand !
    Wake up in morning with solution ?


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  • arclight arclight
    March 17, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    Hinkley point emitting radioactive iodine.. busby talks about the mechanics of sea to air transfer which could be applied to the east coast of japan.. 100 bq/m3 of uranium!! And more here
    Nice one ms milkytheclown!!

    Chris Busby: Contamination at Hinkley Point p1of2
    “Uploaded by MsMilkytheclown on 17 Mar 2012

    Uploaded by drdrwoland on Mar 17, 2012
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3BQFDg4gHg

    A short presentation about enriched Uranium contamination at the Hinkley Point nuclear power station complex on the Somerset coast. This is an update on the arguments about the presence of higher than expected levels of Uranium on the site which began with a report by Green Audit at the end of 2010. The site is being developed by French company EdF energy for a new nuclear reactor. Dr Busby visited the site in January 2011with Rosa Cato and measured higher gamma radiation dose rates than were reported to the Environment Agency in the site characterisation documents. Gamma dose rates were above 150nGy/h compared with measurements of 90nGy/h reported in the scientific literature at the perimeter fence in 1993 and less than 60nGy/h reported by EdF in the documents examined by the Environment Agency. These reported gamma radiation levels were clearly wrong and this should have been questioned. The high gamma dose rates measured by Chris Busby are predictable on the basis of the levels of Uranium reported for the site by EdF. In addition, a soil sample taken by Stop Hinkley from the site has been analysed using ICPMS in Germany and high resolution gamma spectrometry and both methods independently confirm the presence of slightly enriched Uranium. Overall Uranium concentrations are twice to four times greater than would be expected for the area on the basis of published Uranium maps. This supports the original 2011 report by Green Audit.

    cont..


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    • aigeezer aigeezer
      March 18, 2012 at 9:49 am

      Ouch. John/Jane Lunchbucket don't stand a chance, but just in case they do figure things out, notice how the document ends:

      "(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person."

      To paraphrase: "Don't like it? Tough luck."


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      • blackbeer blackbeer
        March 18, 2012 at 1:05 pm

        I don't think I would call this executive order "Peacetime Martial Law", that happened back when congress passed the Patriot Act and the Dept. of Homeland Security was formed. This order looks more to me like a decree to normalize a fascist system where the government and big business as well as resourse management and procurement, and production are all one. The wording is a bit difficult to understand, I'm still working on it, but it is a very dangerous document……….

        Tom


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        • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy
          March 18, 2012 at 1:55 pm

          Well, I don't like any of this shit, but not surprised anymore. This line seems odd to me:
          "(5) the Secretary of Defense with respect to water resources;"
          What possible connection does SecDef have with our water? Population Control?
          aigeezer hits nail on head:
          To paraphrase: "Don't like it? Tough luck."


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          • blackbeer blackbeer
            March 18, 2012 at 8:45 pm

            Water is a strategic resource PoorDaddy. You don't think Libya was just all about oil or some despot do ya. This order means that the US can do anything it deems is within it's national interest, period. So now if we decide to invade some luckless nation who happens to have some resource that this government has determined to be "strategic" then it doesn't have to worry anymore about justifying that invasion by saying, for instance, oh well it's a humanitarian deal or it's what ever. So now the largest terrorist nation on the planet has made it's form of aggression legal. Just my take on it so far…………..

            Tom


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    • ruth
      March 19, 2012 at 1:06 am

      Our days could be numbered here. This EO is about Martial Law in the US, not some luckless country the US invades. The President can use this act to take over all resources including the internet.
      In a nutshell, it’s the blueprint for Peacetime Martial Law and it gives the president the power to take just about anything deemed necessary for “National Defense”, whatever they decide that is. Surely you read about during WWII citizens were rationed gas, food, equipment and you even had to get permission to leave your state. Gues what they will be using those 20,000 drones they plan to blanket the US for.

      The fact that the President of the United States is still exercising authority granted during the Korean War and the height of the Cold War is yet another reflection of how power, once assumed by the Imperial Presidency, is never surrendered. The fact that an Executive Order like this was released on a Friday afternoon and has been largely ignored by the traditional media is an indication of just how easy it is for politicians to manipulate the news cycle. And the idea that the government has authority like that described in this document, even only in theory, and that most Americans aren’t even aware of it, is a reflection of just how little we know about the things that are done in our name.

      Alexander has the whole bloody document at his site.http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/


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  • xdrfox
    March 18, 2012 at 9:29 am

    Fear of nuclear power after Japanese tsunami unfounded
    Don Higson
    March 19, 2012
    Opinion
    By the beginning of 2011, most major nations in the world had come to the conclusion that nuclear power must play a central role in their energy strategies for the 21st century. This was driven mainly by concerns about emissions of carbon dioxide but a necessary factor was that public acceptance of nuclear power had recovered from the shocks of the reactor accident at Three Mile Island in 1979 and the Chernobyl disaster in 1986.

    The great tsunami on March 11, 2011 changed all that when it caused the nuclear emergency at Fukushima Daiichi. This revitalised the anti-nuclear movement, and sections of the news media clearly saw it as an opportunity for shock-and-horror reporting. …

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/fear-of-nuclear-power-after-japanese-tsunami-unfounded-20120318-1vdhz.html


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    • aigeezer aigeezer
      March 18, 2012 at 9:41 am

      Higson's themes are predictable.

      Here he was in July 2011:

      http://www.discussion-point.com/ArticlePage/article/the-safety-of-nuclear-power-generation

      Here's his bio:

      "Don Higson was born in England and obtained a BSc and PhD in chemical engineering from Imperial College, London. After working on the development of nuclear submarine propulsion for Rolls-Royce & Associates, he joined the Australian Atomic Energy Commission (now the Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation, ANSTO) in 1964 and specialised in nuclear reactor safety assessment.

      He has worked as a consultant to the International Atomic Energy Agency on nuclear safety and safeguards. He is a Fellow of the Institution of Engineers Australia and Secretary of its Nuclear Engineering Panel; a Fellow and former Secretary of the Australasian Radiation Protection Society (ARPS); a Committee Member of the Australian Nuclear Association; and a member of the International Nuclear Energy Academy. He is editor of the ARPS Newsletter, which he founded in 1995 after his retirement from ANSTO, and lives in Paddington, NSW, Australia."


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      • xdrfox
        March 18, 2012 at 10:05 am

        aigeezer,
        When I come across articles as this, …sends shills up our backs !

        Notice the mention of past nuclear accidents,.. not said is the STILL ONGOING DEATHS IN BOTH, the polluted lands that will never be habitual again, so how many more can the earth take of these nuclear accidents and still be a viable planet suitable for life ?

        There is NO sanity in to let one more of these accidents happen we have not even accessed truthfully what has already occurred, it has been and still being obfuscated !


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  • anne anne
    March 18, 2012 at 10:40 am

    EPA and Canadian uranium mining company destroying our environment for the nuclear industry.

    EPA Reissues Draft Permit
    Fort Collins Coloradoan
    May 7, 2011
    "Powertech now allowed to reinject water as part of testing
    The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency reissued Powertech Uranium Corp. a draft permit Friday, authorizing the company to conduct an aquifer pump test at the Centennial Project uranium mine site northeast of Fort Collins.

    "The permit will allow Powertech to take 43,000 gallons of water from an underground aquifer and reinject it as part of a feasibility test of its mining technique. The EPA withdrew the original permit, issued last year, because of a technicality. The new draft permit, an Underground Injection Control Class V permit, includes a re-injection pressure requirement inadvertently left out of the original permit…."
    http://www.nunnglow.com/epa-reissues-draft-permit.html


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  • aigeezer aigeezer
    March 18, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    CBC story March 15. One of the rust-bucket Canadian reactors has been shut down for a while but must undergo an emergency drill as part of the restart approval process.

    The "incident" drill might even involve an ambulance.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/story/2012/03/15/nb-lepreau-emergency-exercise.html


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  • bleep_hits_blades
    March 18, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    @Blackbeer, you got that one right. I have been telling people or trying to for so long about the CONTINUOUS 'state of national emergency' in which govt. shifts to a military dictatorship form of govt. under the POTUS as military commander in chief – like a monarch he can make law by utterance or edict.

    Concentration of power into one puppet 'tool'. I believe a similar state of affairs has become 'business as usual' not just for the USA but in many countries.

    They don't have to tell us about it because to do so might 'disturb the public peace.'

    I have posted here and other sites about this and hardly ever get any comments, questions, agreements – just big fat silence.


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    • blackbeer blackbeer
      March 18, 2012 at 1:47 pm

      That silence is understandable Blades when you think about the dream world most people live in. One of the positive things about Fuku is that people are having to face the reality of total government and cooperate control over their lives. What they will do with that knowledge is anybodies guess……………….

      Tom


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    • stock stock@hawaii.rr.com
      March 19, 2012 at 7:25 am

      Actually there is one theory in which the military step in to restore the constitution. Cant talk about the one too much in "polite company"


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  • bleep_hits_blades
    March 18, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Yes, Blackbeer, it is true – most people are firmly clinging to their denial because the 'real world' is just too damn scary. So they are no help!

    I have been one of the relatively few 'voices crying in the wilderness' for longer than I care to think about.

    Personally, I see no reason to expect this situation to change. As I put it, the masses are always going to be 'a day late and a dollar short.'

    As the old African proverb says, 'The leopard cannot change his spots."


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  • Lacsap Lacsap
    March 18, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    MOSCOW, Jul 17 (IPS) – Deep below the beds of Siberia's giant man- made Lake Karachai, a thick layer of highly radioactive salt in the underground water supply is leaching its way, slowly but surely, towards open rivers and ultimately the outside world. http://www.wentz.net/radiate/lake/index.htm


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    • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven
      March 18, 2012 at 8:46 pm

      WOW Lacsap…"In 1991, U.S. experts measured a dose rate of 300 to 600 millirems per hour near the shores of the lake, which is three to six times maximum U.S. safety levels. It was estimated that just one minute standing on its shore without full protection would mean certain death."

      "No place in Russia symbolizes the country's inability to manage the reprocessing of its spent nuclear fuel better than Chelyabinsk region in the Urals with its fields, rivers, and lakes contaminated with deadly radio nuclides. And as Russia speeds toward accepting spent nuclear fuel and waste from abroad for reprocessing and long-term storage in exchange for billions of dollars, environmentalists warn that this lucrative plan will turn Russia into the world's nuclear dump."


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      • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven
        March 18, 2012 at 8:47 pm

        "According to a recent report compiled by Russian and Norwegian scientists, the quantity of radioactive materials the Mayak plant has released since it first opened in 1948 is five times greater than every other major accident or nuclear test on earth since then: the Chernobyl catastrophe in 1986, the 1957 leak at the British Sellafield nuclear plant, and all the nuclear tests ever conducted."


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        • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven
          March 18, 2012 at 8:49 pm

          "The current dose of radiation absorbed by Muslyumovo residents is 10 times higher than internationally acceptable levels, according to a study put out by Kostina's department. Only 18 percent of the village children aged 6 to 14 can be called healthy, while the rest of the children suffer from acute memory loss, attention deficit disorders, and exhaustion."


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          • blackbeer blackbeer
            March 18, 2012 at 9:07 pm

            What scares me the most MaidenHeaven about your posts is, given what we are seeing now with the raising of allowable nuclear waste in our food, air, water, bodies ect, how long will it be before 18 to 20 percent of the population being reasonably health will be the excepted norm………..

            Tom


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  • Tumrgrwer Tumrgrwer
    March 18, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    Yes these are all true but then we read crap like this from New Scientist

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21328566.500-dont-compare-fukushima-to-chernobyl.html

    "The accident at Fukushima Daiichi was moved to the top of the scale a month after the tsunami for technical reasons, when the estimate of radioactive material released exceeded the International Atomic Energy Agency's criterion for level 7. However, the amount of iodine-131 escaping from all the reactors at Fukushima Daiichi was less than 10 per cent of the amount released at Chernobyl, and the release of caesium-137, the next most important fission product, was less than 15 per cent of the Chernobyl total."

    Another reason people just won't listen. This site provides great information but we need to do more, somehow. The liars are in control, exposing them can only help.


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  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven
    March 18, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    "In order to pay for burying Lake Karachai completely, Mayak needs to reprocess more fuel than Russia can provide. That's why it is important that Russia accepts foreign spent nuclear fuel, he says.

    "As soon as we get more spent nuclear fuel to reprocess, we will thrive," Ryzhkov promises.

    Last month, the lower house of the Russian parliament, the State Duma, passed in second reading a bill that would allow Russia to accept spent nuclear fuel from at least 14 countries in Europe and Asia, including *JAPAN*, South Korea, Germany, and Switzerland. The third and last reading of the bill is scheduled for June."


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  • xdrfox
    March 18, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    Stop Comparing Fukushima to Chernobyl

    Both were tragedies, but one was much worse than the other.
    March 18, 2012

    Everybody who gets cancer in Japan over the next 40 years will no doubt blame their misfortune on radiation from Fukushima Daiichi. This will probably be the case for many other diseases too, ranging from heart failure to nose bleeds—as happened after the catastrophic explosion in 1986 at Chernobyl, a Soviet nuclear power station in Ukraine. This would be entirely understandable but will have no basis in science.
    On April 12, 2011, a month after the tsunami struck, Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency announced that it was raising the grading of the Fukushima Daiichi event from five to seven—the highest level …

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/new_scientist/2012/03/fukushima_isn_t_nearly_as_bad_as_chernobyl_.html


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  • entropy
    March 19, 2012 at 12:29 am

    Thanx everyone for the great info! Enenews admin; you rule!
    Here's some anti nuke propaganda to spread. Well, actually it's a song about the atom. The video Features Einstien. The sheeple might learn something without even knowing it. :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vhFjOTI-ws&feature=youtube_gdata_player


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  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven
    March 19, 2012 at 12:33 am

    Thanks to Infopest for initial link

    SOS from Minamisoma Part3 (20/Feb/2012)

    Over 1 million bq/kg of radioactive Cesium (alpha, beta, gamma radiation) from the mysterious black dust in Minamisoma, Fukushima JAPAN Press Conference on February 20th, 2012

    Follow link for Press Conference videos.

    https://fukushima-report.posterous.com/sos-from-minamisoma-part3-20feb2012


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  • Room101 Room101
    March 19, 2012 at 12:56 am

    Hello friends!

    I dropped this off in off-topic, but xdrfox thought it might be better off here. As usual, he is correct.

    http://io9.com/5894019/oren-pelis-next-movie-kids-trapped-in-chernobyl-and-its-not-found-footage

    An injection of radiation and visual mutation might ignite a public response.
    A horror like nuke needs more movies to kill it. It won't die easily.


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  • Sickputer
    March 19, 2012 at 1:08 am

    Lucas Hixon editorial on proposed Aussie idea to "share the wealth of Japanese nuclear debris".

    "Although the Fukushima disaster has likely ended the risk of Australia going down the uranium-brick road called Nuclear Energy for a while longer, former government minister Andrew Thomson has started a new nuclear-waste debate by arguing that Australia should accept radioactive debris from the Fukushima nuclear disaster, stating that the move would help break a deadlock in Japan that is jeopardizing recovery efforts from last year’s March 11 tsunami and nuclear meltdown.

    Mr Thomson, who now works for law firm Minter Ellison in Tokyo, said Australia could offer “ideal places to dispose of this debris and store it safely”.  ”This stuff is only mildly radioactive, it’s not going to harm anyone, but the last place you want to store it is Japan — it’s just too crowded,” he said.  Andrew Thomson is a former Howard government minister, and has worked through Asia and the Middle East consulting on mergers and acquisitions, and government relations."

    Australia is the beginning of the nuclear fuel chain cycle.  Australia has proposals to send uranium to India, Russia and China, where the technical capabilities are not as high as they were in Japan.  In October 2011, the Australian Safeguards and Non-Proliferation Office acknowledged that: “We can confirm that Australian obligated nuclear material was at the Fukushima Daiichi site and in each of the reactors — maybe five out of six, or it could have been all of them.”

    http://enformable.com/2012/03/former-australian-government-minister-says-australia-should-accept-fukushima-debris-japan-just-too-crowded/

    SP: Yes, Australia is a bigtime nuclear pusher man and Japan is the junkie… there is culpability with both parties. But I think there is plenty of room in Japan for longterm storage now… They have an expanding dead zone that will get bigger. Plenty of room for nuclear debris if desired.


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  • ruth
    March 19, 2012 at 5:34 am

    Earthquake activity now in Colorado, Wyoming, Illinois, Ohio, Georgia, Florida and check out Maine…Crazy! http://earthquake.usgs.gov/monitoring/operations/heliplots_anss.php

    I haven't checked to see if any nuclear plants near these earthquake reading stations.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose
    March 19, 2012 at 7:34 am

    Earthqukae Japan…zoom out..and a cluster can be seen…
    Me no like…
    http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/usb0008jsh#summary


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose
    March 19, 2012 at 7:44 am

    umm.This area…I watch an American cartoon the other …about a nuclear explosion in Japan…oddly enough they place on the map that the characters pointed to… was in the area of the earthquakes above..I didn't save it…and spent a couple of hours last night looking for it…
    Kinda of a waste of time…but the coincidence was remarkable.


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  • mungo mungo
    March 19, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Over 40% of Fukushima children do not understand much about radiation: poll
    http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20120319p2g00m0dm007000c.html


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  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven
    March 19, 2012 at 11:38 am

    “In light of the March 11 incident at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant…should a critical incident hit Kansai Electric Power Co’s region…it is clear that citizens’ lives and economic activities would be greatly affected,” the mayors said in their submission to Kansai Electric’s president, Makoto Yagi. ”We should therefore create a power supply system not dependent on nuclear power as early as possible.” A poll by the Tokyo Shimbun over the weekend, reveals that 80 per cent of the 3000 people surveyed want Japan to phase out its reliance on nuclear power, according toJapan Today.

    http://enformable.com/2012/03/japanese-officials-ask-kepco-to-break-away-from-nuclear-energy/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Enformable+%28Enformable%29


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  • Bobby1
    March 19, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Nobel laureate Kenzaburo Oe said in Paris: "I've never felt so deeply the immaturity of Japanese democracy"

    "The Fukushima Daiichi-crisis has especially revealed the immaturity of democracy and the shortcomings of the Japanese system of government."

    “The catastrophe shed light on the fragility of the Japanese democracy,” he told Le Monde, criticizing his country’s response to Japan’s largest nuclear event since the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. “The most disheartening is the ‘conspiracy of silence’ of the electric companies, the bureaucracy, the government and the media to hide the dangers.”

    http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2012/03/19/oe-in-paris-a-laureate-reflects-on-march-11/

    http://www.gen4.fr/blog/2012/03/le-prix-nobel-o%C3%A9-d%C3%A9clare-%C3%A0-paris-je-navais-jamais-ressenti-aussi-profond%C3%A9ment-le-manque-de-maturit%C3%A9-de-la-d%C3%A9mocrati.html (French)


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  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter
    March 19, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Canada's Bruce Power reactor to restart after 17 years

    Sorry if already posted, I just found the news now…

    "Regulators have cleared Unit 2 of the Bruce A nuclear power plant in Ontario to restart after a nearly two-decade-long slumber.
    Bruce Power said Friday it can complete final safety checks and prepare to synchronize the reactor, which has been out of service since 1995, to Ontario's electrical grid. (…)
    Work on Unit 1 of Bruce A is still underway, and operations on that reactor should restart during the third quarter of 2012. (…)

    Once the work is complete, Bruce Power will be the world's largest nuclear facility, generating more than 6,200 megawatts or about 25 per cent of Ontario's power. It currently produces 4,700 megawatts."

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/03/16/toronto-bruce-power-nuclear-plant.html

    *Canada, where are you going??? :-(


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  • openeye openeye
    March 19, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    CA just looks more and more sinister:
    Lawrence Livermore Lab & the Continued Nuclear Arms Race3/13, 2012

    MEDIA ROOTS — Abby and Robbie Martin grew up in Pleasanton, CA, a city located ten miles from the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL), a secret nuclear weapons production facility. They initially set out to explore the psychological impacts of taking nuclear testing into virtual space. But as their investigation unfolded, they found that the LLNL—in conjunction with Site 300—has built an impressive greenwashing PR campaign cloaking a sinister reality.

    Despite a moratorium on nuclear testing, the nuclear arms race continues unabated at very high costs. In addition to the startling cases of LLNL's mismanagement of dangerous materials and 'accidental' releases, the facilities are still testing every radioactive component of a nuclear bomb in open air, according to sources.

    Malignant melanoma (skin cancer) rates are six times higher among children born in Livermore; melanoma has been linked to radiation exposure. And the amount of radiation which has been expelled from the lab since its inception is equivalent to that released from the bombing of Hiroshima. Most disturbingly, the Livermore community is largely unaware of what the lab is actually doing and what its potential impacts are on its health and the environment. http://www.activistpost.com/2012/03/nuclear-arms-race-continues-undercover.html


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    • NorCalOceanBluff
      March 20, 2012 at 12:14 am

      Openeye, thank you for your post. I was unaware of the releases from Livermore Lab, also unaware of what I subsequently discovered. I followed your link and from there another, and what I discovered absolutely floored me. I want to collapse and weep hysterically.

      I discovered that the office building (which is not in Livermore but in another nearby city) where I spend about half my time working is located on a site that used to be an Atomic Research Facility!

      Now there are office buildings, a school district maintenance facility, and a small shopping center. But from the late 1950's until the 1990's, Atomic Research.

      I am thinking that means things like an experimental (small) nuclear reactor, fission, uranium, cesium, plutonium, etc. Who knows, maybe in some building nearby, something sinister is still going on! Who knows what kind of nasty stuff is blowing around, contaminating the area??

      The irony of this is not lost on me. I have spent many months unsuccessfully trying to awaken those in my life who are stubbornly, intentionally ignorant to the dangers of nuclear. Now I discover that the whole time I was lounging on the devil's doorstep sipping Starbucks from his local cafe. Ugh! I feel sick.


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      • openeye openeye
        March 20, 2012 at 1:05 am

        You are welcome but I am so sorry for your despair. Do you have the ability to move? To another state given the oh so many dangers in CA?

        Try a search on Lauren Moret and Livermore for more heartbreak–mind control, kidnapping of kids,et al in the Bay area.

        It at least helped me to now you paid attention–I think my family in SO CA may be the walking dead.

        Out of the depths, we cry to thee oh Lord.


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        • openeye openeye
          March 20, 2012 at 1:07 am

          typo– "know" not "now"

          All my compassion for your sorrow,

          openeye


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          • NorCalOceanBluff
            March 20, 2012 at 4:06 am

            Thanks for the sympathy. I would be up for a new life adventure in the southern hemisphere somewhere, but unfortunately, I cannot leave CA unless I am willing to leave husband, son, daughter-in-law, and grandchildren behind, which I am not. Turns out we all have too many ties and obligations to even think about leaving, and unless the fallout is coming down in chunks the size of volkswagons they will not believe it exists!

            Seriouly, I am not sure how high or how apparent the danger level would have to be to convince my loved ones to abandon our current lives. I worry most about my grandchildren and how this invisible poison may be silently affecting their long-term health or ability to have healthy children themselves someday. I have talked to my son about some basic steps they should take to minimize their exposure, but I don't think they see the risk as real.


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            • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy
              March 20, 2012 at 6:10 am

              Welcome to my world, NorCal. I have 5 grown kids, 8 grandkids and one great granddaughter. All of them are in the Pacific North West on the ocean side of the mountains. In their eyes, I'm just a little obsessive and paranoid, I'm sure.
              I post a "Daily Nuclear Tidbit" on my Facebook page each day. My only daughter makes sure she comments or "like"s each one. I know she does this because she loves me….I doubt that she reads them all. I don't hammer at them, but I still mention it when I see them. I vividly remember that wonderful feeling of being bullet-proof when you are young. Unless its on the nightly news enough to scare the shit out of them (ain't gonna happen), or the fallout comes down the size of VW's as you said, they won't acknowledge the risk. It is what it is.
              Not that its a real consolation, but chances are a total societal collapse will happen before Fuku fallout does its worst.
              Lock and load, sister, and…..
              SHUT EM ALL DOWN !


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  • xdrfox
    March 19, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    TX Company Could Bury Nuclear Waste in April

    Trucks carrying low-level radioactive waste from 38 states will likely be rolling along Texas highways as early as April, bound for permanent burial at a dump near the New Mexico border … continue

    http://www.chem.info/News/2012/03/Material-Handling-TX-Company-Could-Bury-Nuclear-Waste-in-April/


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  • KONDY KONDY
    March 19, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    Reactor scram @ St. Lucie in Florida, #47752

    MANUAL REACTOR TRIP DUE TO CONTROL ELEMENT ASSEMBLY ANOMALOUS BEHAVIOR

    "At 2336 EDT, during performance at Low Power Physics Testing, Unit 1 was manually tripped while the reactor was critical at less than 1% power due to Control Element Assembly (CEA) Regulating Group #3 exhibiting anomalous behavior (continued to insert with no operator action). The trip was uncomplicated and all CEAs fully inserted when the reactor was tripped. No automatic safety system actuations were required and none occurred. The cause for the abnormal CEA performance is under investigation.

    "The plant is stable in Mode 3 at normal operating temperature and pressure. RCS Heat Removal is being maintained with Auxiliary Feedwater and Atmospheric Dump Valves. The offsite power grid is available and stable.

    http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/event-status/event/2012/20120319en.html


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    • anne anne
      March 19, 2012 at 2:35 pm

      Heart, ty.

      "transferred from a storage tank to another tank of a nuclear reactor during decommissioning Wednesday."

      Do you know what reactor is being decommissioned?


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose
    March 19, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    I don't know… YET!
    Gathering info.. Unit 1
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/15/japan-quake-tokai-daini-idUSTFD00668320110315
    "Monitoring of Fukushima Daiichi 1 had previously shown an increase in radiation levels detected near to the unit emerging via routes such as the exhaust stack and the discharge canal. These included caesium-137 and iodine-131, Nisa said, noting that levels began to decrease after some time.
    Nevertheless the amount of radiation detected at the site boundary reached 500 microSieverts per hour – exceeding a regulatory limit and triggering another set of emergency precautions. It also meant the incident has been rated at Level 4 on the International Nuclear Event Scale (INES) – an 'accidenhttp://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS_Battle_to_stabilise_earthquake_reactors_1203111.htmlt with local consequences'."
    Unit 2..
    http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/water-leaks-out-of-tokai-nuclear-reactor


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