FORUM: Links to news articles, reports, and posts that contain false or misleading information

Published: September 1st, 2012 at 12:33 am ET
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Here are a few to get things started… leaving comments on the sites publishing this information probably couldn’t hurt.

Title: No big Fukushima health impact seen: U.N. body chairman
Source: Reuters
Date: Feb 1, 2012

The fact that some radioactive releases spread over the ocean instead of populated areas also contributed to limiting the consequences, said Wolfgang Weiss of the U.N. Scientific Committee on the effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR).

“As far as the doses we have seen from the screening of the population … they are very low,” Weiss told Reuters. This was partly “due to the rapid evacuation and this worked very well.” [...]


Title: Nuclear accidents pose little risk to health: NRC
Source: Reuters
Date: Jan 31, 2012

The risk to public health from a severe nuclear power plant accident in the United States is “very small” because reactor operators should have time to prevent core damage and reduce the release of radioactive materials, U.S. nuclear regulators said in a study on Wednesday. [...]


Title: Health impact of Fukushima small
Source: Examiner.com
Author: Patrick Mason
Date: Feb 1, 2012

Patrick Mason, reactor engineer in Baton Rouge, LA

[...] The long term goal of TEPCO and the Japanese government at this stage in the game is to ensure that the public is safe and that the areas around Fukushima are cleaned of contamination and made safe for future public use. [...]

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130 comments to FORUM: Links to news articles, reports, and posts that contain false or misleading information

  • "Can a nuclear power plant explode?"
    "No. That's impossible."

    "Even the most serious accident won't affect farm land for more than a few weeks."

    From a NEW JERSEY Emergency Management Pamphlet.
    http://www.state.nj.us/njoem/farmers.html

    Credit original comment by enenews user 'bmurr'.
    http://enenews.com/asahi-shimbun-demands-tepco-release-all-footage-related-to-fukushima-disaster/comment-page-1#comment-293421


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    • Maggie123

      ChasAha – I don't know about 'formal legality', but this authoritative, calm, reassurance is criminally negligent to me

      "if you need to wash your livestock – wearing clothing used when handling pesticides would be a good choice" should fire off a mental alarm for the farmer, but those who have made a habit of using pesticides will interpret the risks similarly. (In my experience they dismiss pesticide dangers, especially cumulative and long-term. They remind me that "the instructions say it's safe if used properly."

      "wind can carry it to where it's less harmful" – suggests it's OK if the neighbors or next county takes the hit!

      "Understatement" prevails from start to finish of this document. Emphasis is on "brief" consequences to be dealt with. Wonder when it was last updated? I hope citizens of NJ and elsewhere will approach their state advisory bodies and legislators with evidence from Chernobyl and Fukushima!


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      • I agree. It is criminally negligent!

        The 'understatements' do prevail.
        They also use the words, MAY and 'most likely' quite a bit.
        Like a 'disclaimer' it probably helps with the 'legalities'.

        I wonder what others states radiation pamphlets look like?
        That's a project for another day.


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  • :( Outright lies. I think so.

    1. "— the heroic workers… barely averted a catastrophic disaster that could have contaminated much of eastern Japan, including Tokyo."
    (NOT an understatement: "could have contaminated" should say… "did contaminate". A CATASTROPHIC DISASTER was NOT averted.)

    2. "…the workers successfully shut down all of the reactors and averted a catastrophic nuclear chain reaction."
    (The 'chain reaction' part is debatable perhaps, but saying that it 'averted catastrophe' is NOT TRUE and misleading at best.)

    The 'heroic workers' part is true, but the rest is more than 'disinformation'.

    Japan Times article:
    Sunday, Oct. 7, 2012
    "Trip to facility possibly pre-election publicity stunt"
    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20121007x1.html

    See original comments on this article
    by 'chargedbarticle' and 'sickputer' here:
    http://enenews.com/forum-fukushima-webcam-discussion-thread-june-30-2012-present/comment-page-18#comment-293826


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    • jec jec

      And one of the real heros..the plant manager..with cancer..is denied workmans comp..as he didnt demonstrate the requirements..they dont care much for their workers at Fukushima.."good by, leave..we dont want to hear about illness". Fake medical exams, fake dosimeters, all a coverup. Sad.


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      • Update: He died of cancer.

        As of July 9, 2013: Masao Yoshida the former head of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant has died of esophageal cancer. He was 58 years old. He left the post in December [2011] after being diagnosed with esophageal cancer. In July 2012, he had surgery after a brain hemorrhage.


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  • Jebus Jebus

    coughbullshitcough

    Nobel laureate debunks radiation myths

    http://www.browndailyherald.com/nobel-laureate-debunks-radiation-myths-1.2777592

    More proof that having a nobel prize means you sold your soul…


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  • Here we go again. More dis/mis-information!
    From NBCnews – Aug 15, 2012

    Story written – By Christopher Wanjek
    I hope somebody someday does a google of this guys name and finds this forum. That would make my day. :)

    1. "They found the residents' exposure to be minimal, equivalent on average to less than half of a chest X-ray."

    2. "The researchers added that this glimmer of good news about low radiation exposure…"

    3. "…few if any people have died from the radiation exposure."

    4. "The study is hopeful news for the millions of Japanese in the Fukushima area.."

    5. "'"I don't think most people will experience long-term health problems related to the nuclear accident'…" – Tsubokura

    JAMA – Journal of the American Medical Association
    :( What?

    http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/14/13283029-after-fukushima-residents-spared-of-nuclear-contamination#comments

    (The comment war was interesting.)


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    • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

      Well ChasAha, consider the source.. nbe=GE so no surprise..

      NBCUniversal (49% ownership, remaining owned by Comcast)
      NBC – National Broadcasting Company
      NBC Entertainment
      NBC News
      TheGrio.com
      Peacock Productions
      NBC Sports
      NBC Studios
      NBCUniversal Sports & Olympics
      NBCUniversal Television Group
      Universal Television
      NBCUniversal Television Distribution
      NBCUniversal International Television
      NBC Owned Television Stations
      WNBC 4 – New York
      KNBC 4 – Los Angeles
      WMAQ 5 – Chicago
      WCAU 10 – Philadelphia
      KNTV 11 – San Jose/San Francisco
      KXAS 5 – Dallas/Fort Worth²
      WRC 4 – Washington
      WTVJ 6 – Miami
      KNSD 39 (cable 7) – San Diego²
      WVIT 30 – Hartford
      NBC Nonstop
      LXTV
      EMKA, Ltd.
      NBC Universal Digital Media
      NBC Universal Cable
      A&E Television Networks (co-owned with The Hearst Corporation and Disney/ABC):
      A&E
      The Biography Channel
      Crime & Investigation Network
      The History Channel
      The History Channel en Español
      History Channel International
      Lifetime
      Military History Channel
      Bravo
      Chiller (horror-themed cable channel, launched March 1, 2007) [1]
      CNBC
      CNBC World
      MSNBC (co-owned with Microsoft)
      mun2
      SyFy
      ShopNBC
      Sleuth
      USA Network
      Universal HD
      Weather Channel Companies – with private equity firms Bain Capital and the Blackstone Group
      The Weather Channel
      Weatherscan
      The Weather Channel Interactive
      weather.com
      The Weather Channel Mobile
      The Weather Channel Desktop
      Weather Services International


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      • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

        cont..
        Comcast Sports Group
        NBCUniversal Global Networks
        NBCUniversal Global Networks
        LAPTV (Latin America) – co-owned with Paramount Pictures (Viacom), MGM and 20th Century Fox (News Corporation);
        Telecine (Brazil) – co-owned with Globosat Canais, Paramount Pictures, DreamWorks, MGM and 20th Century Fox;
        Universal Channel Latin America (except Brazil)
        Universal Channel Brazil (co-owned with Globosat Canais);
        Sci Fi Channel (Latin America)
        NBCUniversal Global Networks España.
        Telemundo
        KVEA/KWHY – Los Angeles
        WNJU – New York
        WSCV – Miami
        KTMD – Houston
        WSNS – Chicago
        KXTX – Dallas/Fort Worth
        KVDA – San Antonio
        KSTS – San Jose/San Francisco
        KTAZ – Phoenix
        KBLR – Las Vegas
        KNSO – Fresno
        KDEN – Longmont, Colorado
        WNEU – Boston/Merrimack
        KHRR – Tucson
        WKAQ – Puerto Rico (independent Spanish station)
        Universal Studios (co-owned with Comcast)
        Universal Pictures
        Focus Features
        Rogue
        Working Title Films
        Universal Studios Licensing
        Universal Animation Studios
        Universal Interactive
        Universal Pictures International
        Universal Studios Home Entertainment
        Universal Home Entertainment Productions
        United International Pictures (co-owned with Paramount Pictures/Viacom);
        Universal Operations Group
        Universal Production Studios
        Universal Parks & Resorts
        qubo – Qubo Venture,LLC¹
        ¹Minority interest
        ²Stations which LIN Television owns a minority interest (24%) in

        Be sure to notice GE's partners, Comcast, Hearst, ABC, Microsoft, Paramount, Viacom, Bain…


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  • Jebus Jebus

    atomic rod adams the nuclear mouthpiece

    Anyone care to b***h slapp this blind nucleocratic tool with the facts?

    He says:

    Arnie Gundersen Caught on Video Lying About Risk of Radiation Released During Fukushima Event

    Arnie Gundersen, the sole engineer of Fairewinds Associates, continues to tell lies about the radiation released from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plants. He also continues to lie about the potential effects and seeks to spread fear and uncertainty where neither one are justified. He is a dangerous man on a mission to make money by harming the industry that once employed him – until he was fired for poor performance of his assigned duties.

    http://atomicinsights.com/2012/07/arnie-gundersen-caught-on-video-lying-about-risk-of-radiation-released-during-fukushima-event.html


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  • Sickputer

    Rod is just jealous of Arnie's expertise. And angry because his little dream of getting rich building small reactors never got any interest.

    We all know how he would fare in an open discussion on TV with Arnie… Rod would be exposed as the liar and an ass to boot.

    Get over yourself Rod, you've got nothing they want to hear at CNN. You should have stayed in the Navy a few more decades. Life underwater is exsctly where you fit in best…with a bunch of manly men.


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Lol, thats what I'm talkin about. Das Boot! Gives new meaning to his name. I bet he enjoyed "collecting the garbage" on that big deep diving submarine.

    I always wonder about the ones who back up their words with "check my resume listed, it proves I know what I'm talking about"

    And I apologize for giving a tiny little man riding on a tiny little reactor any more exposure than his tiny little blog gives him…


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  • :( Nature.com lies!!!

    [[ "Fukushima has stopped releasing radioisotopes into the air, and radioactivity in the sea seems to have dispersed with little effect." - author Brumfiel ]]

    Nature – Fukushima's legacy of fear
    written March 2012
    http://www.nature.com/news/japan-s-nuclear-crisis-fukushima-s-legacy-of-fear-1.10183#comments

    My comment:
    "2013-01-19 10:50 AM
    #53982
    ChasAha said:

    This is about as inaccurate as it gets. Obviously the author is not researching the reports from TEPCO or anywhere else for that matter. IMO – this is an outright lie!

    Dis or Mis information stated is bordering on criminal, as many could suffer as a result of this horrible inaccuracy."
    _______

    My biggest fear is that misinformation, such as this clown is spewing, will cause harm. It goes beyond negligent.

    Note: My observation. The FEAR factor, radiophobia, seems to be a media push over the last several weeks.

    IMO – If meltdowns did nothing more than cause mass psychological damage, then that itself is too much. A broken windmill has never caused mental stress to an entire population.

    Also: His latest piece of rhetoric:
    Read or please leave a comment there:
    Title – Fukushima: Fallout of fear
    written 16 January 2013

    "After the Fukushima nuclear disaster, Japan kept people safe from the physical effects of radiation — but not from the psychological impacts." – author Geoff Brumfiel

    http://www.nature.com/news/fukushima-fallout-of-fear-1.12194


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  • Jebus Jebus

    DR. FORREST J. REMICK

    Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat…
    False claims alert…
    Is this the path you will choose, Gregory Jaczko?
    Or will it be the path less travelled?

    Nuclear energy opponents use scare tactics

    The storage of used fuel at Limerick is another Cuthbert fear-mongering tool. The pools are safe by strict NRC standards. We saw at Fukushima that even a huge earthquake and tsunami did not result in fuel overheating in the pools.

    DR. FORREST J. REMICK
    State College

    http://www.pottsmerc.com/article/20130211/OPINION02/130219986/nuclear-energy-opponents-use-scare-tactics


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    • Jebus Jebus

      DR. FORREST J. REMICK

      Forrest Remick is a Senior Nuclear Safety Consultant to Talisman. He completed a five-year term as a Commissioner of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) on June 30, 1994 and is now a private consultant to various government, industry and university clients.
      When appointed to the Commission by President Bush, Dr. Remick was Associate Vice President for Research and Professor of Nuclear Engineering at The Pennsylvania State University. He was also serving as Chairman of the NRC's independent statutory Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards. During his tenure as a Commissioner of the NRC, the relicensing rule was written and adopted. Dr. Remick was intimately involved in the development of the rule and was instrumental in resolving differences between the NRC staff and the nuclear power industry. At his request, a series of meetings were held between the staff and representatives of the industry to rewrite certain provisions in the final rule to make it acceptable to both parties.

      http://www.talisman-intl.com/bio.php?username=fremick


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      • Jebus Jebus

        More false claims from 2010…

        Who's spreading false facts?

        DR. FORREST J. REMICK

        Nuclear energy opponents spread fear and disinformation

        The size of the equipment in such a plant including how nuclear plants are generally similar to other steam-electric plants except: (1) that the source of energy necessary for the process comes from the fissioning of uranium in contrast to the combustion of coal, oil, or natural gas; and, (2) that there are no unmonitored or polluting gases, particulates or other material released to the atmosphere.

        That all steam-electric plants require cooling, mostly by the use of water; that not only nuclear plants use cooling towers; that cooling towers are used to reduce the amount of heat discharged to nearby streams for environmental protection reasons; and, that the discharge from the cooling towers is water vapor containing no pollutants.

        http://paenergyalliance.com/913


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  • wfs wfs

    Uranium Investors talking hot commodity, explaining how "advanced the new reactors are, and our Future full of reactors. Interesting graphs on history of number of nuclear reactors being built over time.

    http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article40538.html


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  • Sickputer

    Cesium Conca and Atomic Rod (supercilious sycophant quick to laud Jimmy on his latest Forbes hatchet job) give another psychobabble attack on radiation evacuees.

    No mention about non-evacuee thyroid cancers or the latest webcam views showing the Terrible Trio of nuclear units 1-3 at Fukushima Daiichi are smoking nuclear fire and producing enough radioactive fog to ensure every worker there will be as dead in 20 years as the Chernobyl Liquidators.


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  • Sickputer

    Conca emotes profusely about how the onsite workers are so well tracked for their radiation exposures. In reality the Tepco goons are shuffling in and out workers from every back alley of Osaka and Tokyo and sending them in and out of the death trap at Daiichi without any long term documentation to track their health.


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    • Sickputer

      The out of control Units 1-3 will NEVER be decommissioned Mr. Conca. Their massive radiation emissions are beyond the scope of any decommission technology you may dream exist. Even the kamikaze workers dare not enter those buildings for any legitimate repair of the earthquake cracks in the foundation that is exacerbating the releases of toxic radiation into the air and the Pacific Ocean


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  • Sickputer

    Sorry for the chopped reply…the Forum software did not like something in the full post…darn it. Lost some of the meaning.


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  • VanneV anne

    The free online class I'm taking is really hard to take. They put out a statement that anonymous bloggers are using anonymity to post propaganda. Of course, the whole class although contains technical information is extremely propaganda. I guess they never heard of Karen Silkwood.

    The video made by the whistleblower inspector of Fukushima got deleted.

    Their whole point is that everyone in the world needs electricity and the population will be 10 billion by 2050. And no way to have that much electricity except with the new non-existent thorium reactors, which in their propaganda is extremely cheap.

    Also that you need energy to make sure that everyone has water for crops and life.

    Of course, a few more meltdowns and there will be no population by 2050 and they are polluting the water so no one will ever have clean water again.

    It makes you wonder if we will ever be free of nuclear energy and uranium mining.


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    • VanneV anne

      Also people are posting information that thorium reactors can burn up nuclear waste and how useful and wonderful nuclear waste is. They deleted all the thorium and salt reactor failures I posted. I will try again in a separate thread.

      Also Rod Adams is being touted by a student (could be any age or level of education–could be Rod Adams himself) as a "true professional".

      Of course, all mention of the harmful effects of radiation is just myth and the opposition to nuclear energy is "lack of education". You have to wonder what has happened to intelligence in the human genome.


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      • razzz razzz

        To even attempt to recycle fuel for a thorium reactor, you need a reprocessing plant along side the thorium reactor to remove the fission fuels for reuse back into the thorium reactor. A very very expensive operation which makes it cost prohibitive.

        Then there is the sodium (molten salt) based cooling needed that is highly corrosive and yet unproven. So complicated.

        Nuclear power supporters like to point out how nuclear power produces more fuel than it consumes ex. plutonium. so we have all this excess plutonium in the hundreds of tons but it needs to be extracted (reprocessed) out of nuclear waste spent fuel for reuse. The cost involved will never compete with solar panels costs.

        http://ifyoulovethisplanet.org/?p=6100

        Learning two trains of thought at the same time (pros and cons) is very trying.


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  • A President Obama retrospective regarding Fukushima radiation.

    Associated Press – Uploaded on Mar 17, 2011

    "I want to be very clear." – Pres. Obama

    "In the wake of Japanese nuclear crisis, …U.S. officials do not expect harmful levels of radiation to reach the West Coast of the continental U.S., Hawaii or Alaska." – Pres. Obama

    You can tell by his body language he's not telling the truth or he doesn't really believe what he's reading. It's like when somebody says 'trust me' … don't do it.

    Here's the proof!
    TV Special Report:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp7aDJLUf-U

    I'll bet he will say the same thing the next time he speaks about Fukushima. If he says anything at all. ;)


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  • Jebus Jebus

    He just stands there, passing that report to himself…

    Fukushima: Japan promises swift action on nuclear cleanup

    Prime minister Shinzo Abe makes pledge amid growing concern at scale and complexity of operation

    "There are specific limits that are used worldwide for the discharge of contaminated water. Nuclear power plants do that under normal circumstances – we're not asking for an exception to be made in Fukushima's case."

    The chairman of the country's nuclear regulation authority, Shunichi Tanaka, said on Monday that discharging the water remained an option, but only after it had been treated to bring radiation levels to below regulatory limits.

    "If we decide to discharge water into the ocean, we will use various methods to ensure that radiation is below accepted levels," Tanaka told reporters in Tokyo. "We will have to dispose of it eventually, but we are committed to reducing or removing radioactive materials.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/sep/02/fukushima-japan-action-nuclear-cleanup


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  • Jebus Jebus

    And this fits here too…

    You cant make up anything this misleading…

    Fukushima leaks: Japan pledges $470m for 'ice wall'

    Government spokesman Yoshihide Suga said an estimated 47bn yen ($473m, £304m) would be allocated.

    The leaks were getting worse and the government "felt it was essential to become involved to the greatest extent possible", Mr Suga said.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-23940214

    lol, Suga.gov to the rescue… How the "Ice Wall" could work…

    Who wrote this story?

    This only goes to show how desperate these "experts" are, and cooling pipes drilled into the earth only puts a period on "The Coriums Have Left The Building".


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  • rockyourworld

    anything under a few billion is a joke!


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  • rockyourworld

    few trillion even!


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  • Jebus Jebus

    I bet the "japanese statistic officials" are proud of this POS article…

    Close to 16,000 people were killed across Japan as a direct result of the earthquake and tsunami in 2011. According to the Mainichi report, 1,599 of these deaths were in the Fukushima Prefecture.

    Causes of death in the aftermath have included “fatigue” due to conditions in evacuation centers, exhaustion from relocating, and illness resulting from hospital closures. The survey also said a number of suicides had been attributed to the ordeal.

    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/10/20420833-fukushima-evacuation-has-killed-more-than-earthquake-and-tsunami-survey-says?lite

    What are the odds of none of these people from Fukushima Prefecture not having any radiation effects?

    I'm seeing the nucliars stepping up the lies recently…


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Excuse me, while I puke this up…

    Nuclear plants 'do not raise child cancer risk'

    Experts looked at data on 10,000 children diagnosed under five between 1962 and 2007, and where they lived.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-24063286

    Lets see recent datasets.

    What I take away from this is that the whole british isles are contaminated…

    What I take away from this is that the whole "expert" (ie: Oxford) community is corrupt…

    http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/people/associate_staff/john_bithell


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    If the Queen says spewing Radiation Contamination is OK for you..then its OK for you!

    If I was a women I would just have my two breasts cut off right away …. because its good for you!

    The Queen knows best…

    Just pay your ver increasing by law taxes and energy bills and everything/all will be OK!


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    If the Queen says spewing Radiation Contamination is OK for you..then its OK for you!

    If I was a women I would just have my two breasts cut off right away …. because its good for you!

    The Queen knows best…

    Just pay your ever increasing by law taxes and energy bills and everything/all will be OK!


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  • Jebus Jebus

    This is how the Fukushima killing will be explained to the sleeping masses…

    Scientists fear ocean acidification will drive the collapse of Alaska’s iconic crab fishery.

    The emerging issues with Alaska’s crab underscore a predicament that stretches beyond the North Pacific. It gets to the difficulty of trying to comprehend the depth of fallout from ocean acidification.

    For reasons scientists don’t always understand, similar species, even those living side by side, often respond to changing water chemistry in remarkably different ways.

    http://apps.seattletimes.com/reports/sea-change/2013/sep/11/alaska-crab-industry/

    Ya, read that twice…


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Har Har Matey! Me gold is dying!


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  • Jebus Jebus

    It's gonna be O K … Smile…

    Fukushima off-site clean-up success

    Radioactive decontamination has been completed to target in one municipality affected by Fukushima accident, and operations to decontaminate other areas are making good progress, Japan's Ministry of Environment has reported.

    Work has been completed to target levels in one municipality in the Special Decontamination Areas: Tamura, where decontamination of living areas, farmland, forest and roads was declared to be 100% complete in June 2013. Over a period of just under a year, workers spent a total of 120,000 man days decontaminating nearly 230,000 square metres of buildings including 121 homes, 96 km of roads, 1.2 million square metres of farmland and nearly 2 million square metres of forests using a variety of techniques including pressure washing and topsoil removal.

    http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS-Fukushima_off-site_clean-up_success-1809137.html

    To target? Oh ya, 200 bananna's per hour limit…


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Discovery News
    Bought and paid for by Nuclear.
    Look at the bullshit this cherry picker is telling the kids.
    This is aired on channels such as Nickelodeon, Disney, ect…

    http://news.discovery.com/tech/videos/fukushima-radiation-what-youve-heard-are-lies-video.htm

    disgusting nuclear propaganda…


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Disgusting as they now tell the little ones that the truth they are hearing…are all lies!

    How sick are these people? :(

    You can keep your insurance policy if you want to…that was the truth?

    Building 7 collapsed at free fall speed because of a fire?

    If the population was any dumber…?


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  • If anyone stumbles across the giant squid article, http://strangesounds.org/2014/01/radioactive-gigantism-giant-squid-discovered-on-california-coast-january-2014.html (and then I think Before It's News reran that) don't get too excited.

    First of all, the article is from The Lightly Braised Turnip.

    Second of all, http://strangesounds.org/2013/10/mysterious-giant-squid-discovered-on-spains-beach-is-it-architeuthis-dux.html

    And I think that's enough debunking.


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  • Gaikokujin Gaikokujin

    ..more to add.

    There are people, who get payed for making us look stupid and spreading dsinformation.

    I shared this link also, but it is almost impossible to check everything that comes out.

    But we have some sites, that have good reputation like enenews. So take a minute to think what you post, since these kind of things are a trap: just to make every activist look stupid and then those ignorant "debunkers" can make another example how we "lie". When we dont lie!

    We are just sharing information and the gov is lying to us! It is stupid to think that we are perfect but we can be HONEST!

    So whenever you see this kind of things, please pass it on.

    We maybe cannot be a system like the gov, but we hell can be more honest and say "sorry, this little thing was mistake but you get he point anyways so carry on".


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    • artika rama

      gaikokuijn quote : "There are people, who get payed for making us look stupid and spreading dsinformation."
      They dont have to :) lol ,, we have enough idiots to do it for them :) even here on enenews ;) I have been fighting with them for some time now :)
      People who make their own theories about fukushima heating up the ocean , japan sinking into the see , or they can diagnose why fish are dying and so on and so on ,,
      I guess We will have to keep sane ,,and keep warning them NOT to spread misinformation , not to make their own outrageous extreme nonsense theories .
      !!!!!These kinds of misinformation is the worst enemy of the whole antinuke movement IMO !!!!. cant repeat it enough .
      It is turning the whole movement into another one of those ET s did it ,, or Reptile People caused it ,, bu..h.t conspiracy theories.

      Most people here are not tin foil hat wearing fear mongering idiots , Its a pitty a few lunatics are spoiling it for everyone IMO.

      No matter how bad it gets , how scary it can be , we have to keep a sane , open mind , we have to keep approaching every issue with common sense and logic.

      I guess its part of being an activist , trying to keep your fellow activists on track ,, not to get lost in the fear and extreme ideas etc


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      • VanneV VanneV

        "fear mongering", "lunatics". Sounds like a pro-Nuke dialogue.


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      • VanneV VanneV

        artika rama, " idiots to do it for them :) even here on enenews ;) I have been fighting with them for some time now "

        So now the anti-nuke advocates are "idiots". And just how long have you been on enenews.com? And how many nicknames or avatars are you using? And how many anti-Nuke monikers are you creating as foils for your arguments?

        And why do you try to create confusion by adopting the nickname or moniker of a legitimate person who is exposing the deceit and lethality of the nuclear industry and nuclear technology?

        Suck tactics show that the nuclear industry has no legitimate, scientific basis for existence on this earth.


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      • VanneV VanneV

        And how many of you are using the nickname "artika rama"? It is pretty obvious that the linguistic style of this nickname changes from time to time.

        Suck tactkcs show that what is happening at Fukushima is truly an earth changing event and is actually effecting the geologic structure of the earth.


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  • rogerthat

    Artika: ''People who make their own theories about fukushima heating up the ocean , japan sinking into the see , or they can diagnose why fish are dying and so on and so on''

    As Einstein said, it's a hell of a way to boil water. So sure, if you have a few thousand tonnes of out of control corium surrounded by water, it's likely to be getting hotter. That's simple physics.

    There is an interesting discussion out there about the long-term consequences for Japan of the collision of the tectonic plates along its eastern seaboard. so sure, the fukushima coast may now be lower than it was.

    Finally, on the subject of dead fish. Fukushima happened, and then fish and all kinds of other things died. I'm at liberty to blame the death of the Pacific and birds and insects and wildlife and people even on Fukushima because even a child can see they are connected. Experts and scientists are at liberty to come up with better explanations, but to do that they have to investigate. Governments have to fund research, At the moment, governments are determined not to investigate. Why would that be? I'll stick with the obvious answer until someone provides a better one. Hint: it's not that they are short of money – they print this stuff at will to bail out their friends.


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