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    ..a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

    Wait, what?

    The term "disease causative agent" usually refers to the biological pathogen that causes a disease, such as a virus, parasite, fungus, or bacterium.

    Technically, the term can also refer to a toxin or toxic chemical that causes illness.

    Radiation "therapy"?


    What is the most toxic substance on Earth known today? – Quora

    The most toxic substance I could come up with is botulinum toxin–yes, the same material that is purified and injected (Botox) to remove wrinkles! When injected, the fatal dose is 1.3 to 2.1 nanograms per kilogram. So for an 80 kg adult, 104 to 168 nanograms (0.000168 mg)

  • Gasser Gasser

    Never ending Hanford story > In central Washington, specks of plutonium were swept up in high gusts and blown miles across a desert plateau above the Columbia River.


    Doomsday Prep for the Super-Rich

    Some of the wealthiest people in America—in Silicon Valley, New York, and beyond—are getting ready for the crackup of civilization.

    Yep. Founders of Reddit, Facebook manager, technology executives, they know. They sense it.

    I can see it by the inappropriate behavior of people. And the shear fact that it is nearly impossible to live a normal healthy life, it's gotten too expensive too exist.

    “I think people who are particularly attuned to the levers by which society actually works understand that we are skating on really thin cultural ice right now.” …
    García Martínez, Facebook

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      now will the fbi review Trumps dialogue with Michael Cohen? Seems we only find corruption when we want to, not because its there.

      Where are those trillions missing from the pentagon? The gold missing from the world trade center?

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        an easy, sure fire way to catch the bad guys; arrest everyone in government, the pentagon, the international bankers. Slap the wrist of the civilians who let those asshats overlord them

        Trump has blood on his hands and doesnt care…that means psychopath

      • Breaking of the Lawyer Client confidentiality is a huge thing, especially when it is just based on Storminess.

        I guess "they" do want civil war, in which to pull more power and control out of the chaos.

        This is a sign that armed violence on a large scale may be closer than you think.

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Rumpster has some/a few skeletons in his closet..

          EXCLUSIVE: 'We just went at it like she just didn't exist.' Former Playmate reveals she had sex with Donald Trump in front of her friend during a steamy six-month affair while his then-fiancée Marla Maples was pregnant with Tiffany

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        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          stock, youre the ultimate apologist for Trump. Trump did not detect the garbage coming in? Jeez. Garbage in garbage out? Theres body bags in that garbage, in case you didnt notice. Blankets, they dont have body bags there

          Have you ever paid someone to work for you? That would be called an employee right? What if your employee cheated on his wife, killed people and blew up some buildings and spilled a bunch of toxins? Hes an idiot savant…a genius…too bad he couldnt detect the garbage

          The elite players must be laughing; they can feed the little public shit and they eat it up with relish. We even engage in heated debate over the shits merits; was it great shit, dumb shit, tasty shit, idiot savant shit? You cant touch that shit…rule of law says so. Thats some killer shit man….shit rules! Shit will save us from the new world order! Such is the power of indoctrination, that the people eat shit every election, pay for that shit, every penny, love the shit, cheer for that shit, salute it, bow down to it.

          The people of the U.S. are dangerous idiots

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            Code! Brilliant! 🙂 Shit is the meal of the day!

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            Trump needs a better title! Have you seen the full title of Kim Jong Un or the Queen of England?!? We have by far the best most powerful country in the world and our ruler has a title with three words…two of which are monosyllabic. Commander In Chief. How boring. POTUS is worse because its so close to POS

            So Im proposing a more regal title

            'By the Grace of God, his Majesty Donald Trump, Commander in Chief of the United States of America, Middle East and other Dominions, Supreme Ruler of his Wife and other Conquests, Real Estate Tycoon and Military Commander of the Imperial Air Force, Army, Marine Corp and Coast Guard, Idiot Savant, Protector of the Powerful, Benefactor and Servant of Israel, Czar and Slayer of the Animal and Plant kingdoms, Employee and Overlord of the People, Protector of the Faith.'

            Im going to see if stock will fax that to him for his consideration

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              I think the title should also include "creator of jobs, protector of American fetuses, blockader and employer of Mexicans'

              But would that make the title too long?

              OK, so Ive made some substitutions, how does this read?

              'By the Grace of God, his Majesty Donald Trump, Overlord of the United States of America, Middle East and other Dominions, Supreme Ruler of his Wife and other Conquests, Real Estate Tycoon and Military Commander of the Imperial U.S. military, Idiot Savant, Protector of the Powerful, Benefactor and Servant of Israel, Czar and Slayer of the Animal and Plant kingdoms, creator of jobs, protector of American fetuses, blockader and employer of Mexicans'

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                Also, people dont show enough respect. In England, subjects BACK OUT of the room after visiting the Queen. I think we should do the same…NEVER turn your back to the POS, I mean POTUS….wait what am I saying?

                Never turn your back to the 'By the Grace of God, his Majesty Donald Trump, Overlord of the United States of America, Middle East and other Dominions, Supreme Ruler of his Wife and other Conquests, Real Estate Tycoon and Military Commander of the Imperial U.S. military, Idiot Savant, Protector of the Powerful, Benefactor and Servant of Israel, Czar and Slayer of the Animal and Plant kingdoms, creator of jobs, protector of American fetuses, blockader and employer of Mexicans'

                • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                  Stock got it~Faxed!

                  Me thinks lots of stationary is going to be thrown out soon…just another bill that the trapped by law tax paying human livestock will have to pay.

                  Just like dining room tables and sound booths and first class travel and women for the chosen.

                • Hey code… Ever been to England? Or was it just watching the BBC that got you there…

                  How do you know for sure what you say is sure and true?

                  Bleedin hell you say…

                  The 2011 Tottenham Riots:


                  Oh yea and there are no guns in the hands of the private population there either…

                  Meeting the Brits with guns – BBC News:


                  • Want a assault weapon?

                    Just follow the loopholes…

                    Why so many Americans love their guns? BBC News:

                    And let's get em outta the hands of proven crazies asap.

                    A bayonet lug? Pure crazyness…

                    • Caution sharp edges:

                      Do not stick fingers under mower deck while blades are in motion. And shutdown and unplug before servicing…

                      Let's put a ! before it too so it gets their attention…

                      Hey maybe if we paint it bright yellow they will see it…

                      Well we better make it bigger, people are still doing it huh…

                      Dang stickers…


                      Wanna really learn to pay attention?

                      PS22 Chorus "Dreams":


                      Pay attention to the correct things…

        • Odd, "we are a nation of Laws" and yet the general public does not understand where it lives. Ignorance is not innocence. Mueller found evidence of a joint crime between lawyer and client, turned it over to his boss, who then assigned the case to the appropriate branch office to be examined. Found to be valid the office went to a judge who then authorized a search and seizure. Four (4) times the evidence was examined and four (4) times it was found to be worthy to be classified as a crime.
          Another case of the Dumbing-Down of America.

  • Epiphany —

    In the intentional effort to divide all people at all levels —

    Respond with love and positive energy, will at least throw them off balance.

    From there you can kick them in the ass if need be (couldnt resist that last line)

  • Jebus Jebus

    Mission Accomplished.

    The Environmental Protection Agency has removed a toxic waste site flooded by Hurricane Harvey from a special list of contaminated sites that require the personal attention of the agency's leader, because it says there's been significant progress on a cleanup plan.

    Atta boy Harvey…

  • Jebus Jebus

    U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

    Installation of Soundproof Privacy Booth

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    "Staffer for anti-gun NYC Mayor Bill DeBlasio arrested on illegal firearms charges… with gun serial numbers filed off"

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    "Nearly 1,400 basking sharks were spotted in aerial photos in a puzzling gathering off the East Coast of the U.S.

    The unusual plankton-eating basking sharks are the second largest fish in the world — surpassed only by the whale shark — and have been generally believed to be solitary swimmers. The huge fish can reach 32 feet in length and weigh as much as five tons."

  • DUDe DUDe

    Dear friends,

    Car Mileage: Average MPG.

    What happens when we compare technological advances in various fields over the last 50 to 100 years? In communications, we've gone from the basic telephone of 50 years ago to answering machines, faxes, instant messaging, and wireless cell phones packed with cameras, GPS, and more. Just 50 years ago computers were huge, multi-million dollar monsters capable of only rudimentary mathematical problems.

    Today, the portable laptop on which I'm typing can perform functions literally millions of times faster and more complex than its ancestors, and connect me instantly to anyone in the world with Internet access.

    In engineering and materials science, we have gone from basic woods and metals to sophisticated plastics, fiber optics, nanotechnology, and other high-tech manmade materials and technologies that perform all kinds of functions which would have been considered miraculous 100 years ago. Television, movies, microwave ovens, air conditioning, radar, and gameboys didn't even exist then. In astronomy, biology, medicine, agriculture, genetics, electronics, and most any other field you can think of, we are not only generations, but light years ahead in both knowledge and applications of what was available 100, and sometimes even 50 years ago.

    • DUDe DUDe

      Now consider the areas of energy and transportation, and the oil and automobile industries in particular. Technological progress in these sectors has moved at a snail's pace compared to the fields mentioned above. Most cars and trucks still use the same internal combustion engine on which the Model T depended 100 years ago. And while the Model T boasted gas mileage of 25 MPG in 1908, average car mileage for 2013 according to the EPA was only 24.7 MPG."

      Below are short excerpts from a number of major media articles which suggest major suppression of technological advances in the fields of energy and transportation. For an excellent two-page summary of this vital topic, click here. You can also find a wealth of reliable, verifiable information at our New Energy Information Center. By educating ourselves and our friends and colleagues on this crucial topic, we can build a critical mass of informed citizens who demand the release of suppressed inventions and technologies that will pave the way for a brighter, healthier future for us, for our children, and for our beautiful planet. Thanks for caring.

      With best wishes,
      Fred Burks
      Former White House interpreter and whistleblower

      • PlowboyGrownUp

        One bit-that ethanol they add to the gasoline cuts the gas mileage down greatly.

        • DUDe DUDe

          Yeah lol PGU , for such a technollogical unchallenged species i'm sure they could do better..just in a decade or something of beginning awareness and some governmental regulation pressure they improved efficienty a lot..i have a 2 liter diesel from a "sporty" brand and if i use it responsible i squize easely 50mpg+ out of it..

          And in the big picture..hiding technollogy like Tesla etc from the public..and now reversing those regulations that forced the auto industry to adapt to reality a bit..that they could do easely it seems..sigh..i hope i never get questioned by aliens etc about "my species"..

        • Ya PB, for sure 10% reduction. Not good program, ethanol. stock out

  • SadieDog

    Happy Anniversary. What hope is there when the majority of the American public believes this was real?

  • razzz razzz

    'The Atlantic Current if Slowing Down = Global Cooling'

    "The Atlantic current is slowing down dramatically. A team of scientists says it is the weakest in 1600 years. Naturally, they attribute it to humans who are driving their cars and heating their homes which is melting the ice in Greenland and that is fresh water which is lighter than seawater. They are predicting, of course, it could stop altogether in a few decades. The only problem is the classic one. They ignore cycles and assume whatever trend in motion will stay in motion to the point it will stop completely. If that were the case, then we would probably go into a White Earth Effect and we should be all dead anyhow so perhaps the planet will heal itself when we are all gone.

    There is a cycle to this as well and, BTW, they are in fact saying that since this is the worst in 1600 years, are they not implicitly stating that there must be a cycle, to begin with? Our models indicate that there should be an 1800 year cycle (+-3%) and this is indeed also linked to the energy output of the sun, which all these people amazingly ignore and prefer to blame humans for everything.

    We are headed into a new Mini Ice Age and it will continue to get colder and colder, Europe, Japan, China, Canada, and the United States. Our models confirm it is GLOBAL COOLING we must be concerned about…"

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Interesting and not good news at all..all the planting zones will begin to shift worldwide as will all the rain patterns affecting crop production in a world that is increasing in population…requiring more crop production.

      Summer is near and if we are should be very noticeable this year worldwide. From the increasing temperatures documented in the Arctic I have given you the changes in the jet stream patterns (slowing down) that do have a direct effect on ocean currents worldwide. This has created drops in cold air by the loops created in these lagging jet stream patterns to lower areas in the northern hemisphere.

      The problem with excess moisture being released in the Arctic from these melting glaciers/icebergs is the massive amount of moisture now traveling in the atmospheric rivers dumping massive amounts of rain when released. Witnessed by us in Texas and in the hurricanes last year along with massive amounts of energy released by the oceans destroying everything in their paths. Energy is being stored somewhere both hot and cold. So pay your insurance and keep it all up to date and if the changing weather does not get us there is always the possibility of some nut-case Nukeing us all. Lose, lose any way one looks at it.

      One example..prepare!

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    "We find ourselves in a fight to salvage a food system that has been ravaged by an approach of quantity over quality,” he once wrote. “The industry our society has built around food is harmful and unsustainable.”

    White House Will Not Say Where It Gets Its Meat (And I Don’t Blame Them)

    ..This is like finding the Holy Grail of articles..

  • danger kitty danger kitty

    Orcas spotted off the San Diego coast. Unusual to be this far south. In "crystal clear water". Also unusual.

  • South Korea with 24 nuclear reactors. Not a good place for a war.

    And they had a bunch more planned, but those are no longer in process, they will be scuttled.

    Nuclear is too expensive. They are trying to justify their continued existence and operation on "fighting CO2" which we pretty much know is a false meme meant to transfer wealth (ask yourself how did Al Gore get $500M from Fighting Carbon)

    Have no doubt, in burning fuels, true pollutants are released, in rough proportion to CO2. And we should minimize these burns and we should implement pollutant scrubbing mechanisms where feasible. But we should not target CO2 specifically, because it is not a pollutant, it is plant food. Targeting CO2 specifically is stupid and play right into the hands of the nuclear cartel.

    Even if we believed the table on the right, which is very sketchy in my opinion, with amazingly CO2

    being 10 times more costly than all other pollutants combined! Seriously? Politicized science needs to be taken to task.

    This from "Greentech Media". Me smells a rat.


    9 American Foods That Have Been Banned In Other Countries

    No one else is eating them, why the hell are we?

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    "Three islands in southeast Thailand to BAN all activities that could hurt its environment and marine ecosystems"

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    Radchick, "RadChick: Broken Neck Since Fukushima"

  • razzz razzz

    When things come to a head, events happen quickly. These overseas distractions are just that, distractions to take people's mind off what is about to happen at home.

    'West v Russia'

    "…Phase ONE is so vital to creating the justification for war. Calling Assad a “monster” with no direct evidence that he even used chemical weapons has been a real joke. There is a pre-disposed agenda to invade Syria. That objective will be nurtured and propaganda is being used to move public opinion against Russia and Syria to justify yet another war for monetary reasons. However, the trade war against China is stirring a sleeping giant. China has never sent an army against another nation in modern times. Attacking China, which will see a recession, means that the people will blame an external enemy rather than internal. That will justify the support for entering the Middle East war…"

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Yes of course! Bless the Fatherland!

      Trump 'uses the same propaganda methods as Hitler' says head of company which founded data mining firm Cambridge Analytica

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      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        patriotism was dangerous in Germany and its dangerous in the U.S.

        America Has Been At War 93% of the Time – 222 Out of 239 Years – Since 1776

        If the military wasnt so patriotic, they wouldnt have killed so many people over 200 years.

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Appears to be one big ongoing show! Scary at best…

          Apollo 13 was a NASA/Hollywood Hoax

          • GOM GOM

            How did astronauts get through the Van Allen radiation belt?

            Like radiation. Specifically, the dense radiation environment of the Van Allen belts that surround our planet. When it launched Apollo missions through the Van Allen belts on a path to the Moon. And not one astronaut died from passing through the Van Allen Belts. Sep 19, 2014 Popsci

            There is too much radiation in outer space for manned space travel. Just inagine the speed alone.

            Satellites are turned off when passing through specific zones/belts, ect.

            Living in the US is hoax in itself.

        • I'm wondering…is it patriotism…or…is it nationalism? I tend to think it's nationalism.

          • Taffy, for patriotism needs first a definition, can i try one.

            Patriotism is a combination of striving for what is good for the country overall, in a utilitarian way, whilst also following the basic law, the Constitution and Bill of Rights (the 1st 10 amendments) and the subsequent amendments.

            on that note–the Constitution is easy and quick to read, as is the Bill of Rights.


            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              You seem to struggle and have a warped sense about the true results achieved..

              We are all trapped like rats…

              • For providing a link so people can easily read our basic law? Are you fucking kidding me?

                ye be far too negative, careful, that level of negativity could affect your health.

                • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                  Has nothing to do with any link you post or any laws..we have plenty of laws.

                  Them there laws you just posted.. brought us to this place in time.

                  It is about the results achieved.

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  stock, your definition of patriotism is really lacking. It does not describe the STATE of patriotism…what it is to be patriotic, nor what the ramifications are.

                  Patriotism is an EMOTION, its a mass indoctrination, drilled into your psyche since childhood. The emotion cements a belief, infiltrating into your very nerve fibers; 'My country is best, I have an unquestioned belief and support for my country, Im subservient to it, I follow the laws and pledge allegience to its rulers and am willing to DIE for it.'

                  The STATE of Patriotism is no different for Nazi Germans or Americans or Russians or Chinese or Iranians. Surely you can see that. Is patriotism a dangerous allegiance by the public to their country everywhere in the world except the U.S.? An American cant be patriotic to Russia nor should a Russian be patriotic to the U.S. Thats treasonous, perhaps punishable by death…historically and still in some cases.

                  What does it mean though…can you be patriotic of Russian wildlife, its native peoples, the forests? Can I be patriotic of the native American nations before they were hearded onto reservations by your ancestors? Im patriotic of the open fields without keep out signs and a realtors sign, Im patriotic of the buffalo, the cows, the wolves, the worms and bees. Im patriotic of the Swift that flies from pole to pole over so many countries without recognizing their borders.

                  • Code, your intelligence has been left in the meme box on this one.

                    I will be proud of and support all the various levels of tribes that I choose to associate with, even recognizing their faults.

                    My neighborhood group, my fraternity, my old high school friends, my lifeguard crews. Patriotism is not "an emotion", and not as simple as JUST indoctrination although some people could for sure be indoctrinated into it.

                    It would be crazy not to want good for the country that you choose to live in, you can actually leave, you know.

                    Even as I am patriotic, I have in the past researched and just this week researching dual citizenship. Consider reduction of your indoctrination meme, it's insulting and without positive effect

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    Im patriotic of the arctic Swift that flies over all countries free from their control trips


                    similarly, Im patriotic of the albatross that flies around the world, alone for many years at a stretch, never recognizing mans rules and ownerships


                    Im patriotic of the aborigine who lived in peace and balance with nature before white man came with their patriotisms and destroyed their lives


                    Im patriotic of the americas where animal and ancient man lived without rule of law for untold centuries. Im patriotic of the Tahitians who should not have been bombed by french atomic tests, and whom the white men could not understand and thought of them as heathens.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      I consider my patriotism healthy, and stocks patriotism not so healthy. He would have you follow the laws even if they are unjust.

                      the sixteenth amendment to the constitution says
                      'The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.'

                      well fuck that. If I cant collect money from them, they sure cant collect money from me, the corrupt bastards.

                    • SadieDog

                      I hear that. Patriotic is as patriotic does… To me patriotic means brainwashed, afraid and controlled. But that’s just me.

                    • LOL in the country you choose to live in, try not paying taxes and see how long it is before men with guns show up.

                      Many are corrupt bastards, use the rule of law to bring justice and dissuade the next crew from trying the same shit.

                      Sheesh, I break as many laws as I can, sometimes just because I can.

                      I think you are a loner who feels that he needs no tribe. I too am a loner, but also a ENTJ Commander who is a leader of humans. See how the 2 can and must mesh?

                      you are missing that tribal bonding part that most humans have, so you think everyone else is fucked up. Thats fucked up dude.

                    • Those who hate the country they live in…..hmmmmm.

                      SAdie say
                      To me patriotic means brainwashed, afraid and controlled. But that’s just me.

                      it is you and a certain group, who can't handle the cognitive dissonance of realizing that your country does really evil things, and yet you want good and a better situation for your country.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      stock…should I happily go on with life until you want to be commander of my life and family, then accept it? Would you let me command you and your family?

                      You miss the very poignant thing about the emotion of patriotism. What is your country? The land within some border, the animals and plants on the land, the people or is your country the government, the rules of men and the patriotic gestalt and pride of America, land of the free, home of the brave?

                      This system where the people must work 3/4 of every day to pay assholes who contribute nothing…thats bankers and wallstreet and middle men; this country that is in constant war for 200 years, the one I pledge allegiance to with all my heart and my life…thats not a country. Thats a system…a slave camp. Hyperbole? No, working all day to pay for the lives of politicians, bankers and middle men is slavery. How can you argue that?

                      Unlike what you say, I didnt CHOOSE this system of mens rules and ideals. I cant just choose to move to Tasmania or the Italian Alps. We are all stuck, like livestock.

                      Again, I ask; what is your country?

                    • SadieDog

                      I’m quite surprised at your support for a terroristic, power hungry govt that sees its military and its citizens as fodder. They steal your money. They poison your food and water. They lie, uncontrollably. And control the masses through deception, lies and evil intentions. With friends like that…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      stock says "you are missing that tribal bonding part that most humans have, so you think everyone else is fucked up. Thats fucked up dude."

                      but he misses the point that I could bond with people of higher ideals…a country with politicians even, if they were sane, high minded, non corrupt, peaceful…servants.

                      Just because I dont bond to the boys in the locker room and cheer for the soccer team…or the POS…I mean POTUS…doesnt mean Im fucked up. And so,,, thats pretty fucked up to say so dude

                    • SadieDog

                      Code. I think he was talking about me. But I agree.

            • I was responding to Code's use of patriotism…it is nationalism that leads to the destruction of the democratic state, not patriotism. Hitler brought on nationalism in Germany and look where it got them. Look at where nationalism is getting us, is what I'm saying.

              • Ignorance over call signs is what is actually getting solmething…

                I'll leave it to you to learn the truth.


              • SadieDog

                A rose by any other name…

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                Taffy, whether its patriotism or nationalism or jingoism or chauvinism, it all amounts to the same blind state of emotional allegiance to a group narcissism.

                1774, Samuel Johnson;
                "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."

                "It is lamentable, that to be a good patriot one must become the enemy of the rest of mankind."

                Patriotism is an emotion, a blind fervor that your country is superior and you are willing to die for it. Patriotism, nationalism and chauvinism is a PRIDE, a FAITH…not unlike religious allegiance. Patriotism is a collective narcissism, its a mass indoctrination.

                I had to pledge allegiance to the flag with my hand over my heart in school. This is mass hypnotism. You must not let your flag touch the ground even, so strong is the mythical belief in patriotism. You must never go against the rules, not even in thought or a red alert of being WRONG, even IN TROUBLE, flashes in your heart and mind

                • I posted and emotional chart so i could link the picture, here it is. no patriotism.

                  Calling you out on calling it an emotion.


                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    good, your emotional chart lets us distinguish what patriotism is and isnt. ALthough individuals may differ, broadly speaking patriotism is under the power sector

                    patriotism is feeling;


                    Patriotism is generally NOT;


                    • SadieDog

                      Honest. Truthful. Well intended. These are things patriotism is not. It’s a way to get people to support murder for power. That’s all.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      stock believes patriotism is not an emotion. This makes me question…what level of social indoctrination is required to stifle a mans realization of their own feelings?

                      Patriotism is the emotion that made Americans cheer when we 'kicked butt' in Afghanistan, Iraq and other countries in response to the 9-11 world trade center demolitions…even though…those countries really had nothing to do with it.

                      Patriotism is the emotion that makes people feel its inappropriate to question if our government colluded with WTC destruction…even to question U.S. motive at all "in this time of crisis and attack on our country"

                      Patriotism is the emotion that inspires people to place american flags…sometimes two on the hood just like Nazi days. To hate the 'enemies' of the country, even if they are citizens.

                      Indeed patriotism is the emotion behind this statement;

                      "Those who hate the country they live in…..hmmmmm."

                      I love the country and its life, but I rather hate the so called government and their prison and rules, and the blind patriotism of the people who say America is Great…even as we kill and threaten the peoples, plants and animals of the world. Thus, one can see the emotion-blinded patriotism saying "those who hate their country"

                    • or-well

                      Patriotism is not an emotion. It is a set of beliefs one is inculcated with. The associated emotions are a result of being stimulated to reject or defend those beliefs.

                      Sort of like salivating dogs.

                      The real underlying issue(s) that needs confronting is masked by connecting a citizen to those patriotic beliefs.

                      No one is trained to be a Gaian soldier.

                    • SadieDog

                      Orwell said, “Patriotism is not an emotion. It is a set of beliefs one is inculcated with. The associated emotions are a result of being stimulated to reject or defend those beliefs.“
                      Exactly. Spot on. The cognitive dissonance Stock spoke of but doesn’t understand yet.

                    • SadieDog

                      Maybe ask any Indian you meet about how he feels about the good ol us of a. Ask him what he thinks of the us flag. Hmmmm.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      or-well, patriotism is not the set of beliefs, its what you feel. You feel patriotic. Patriotism was very high in Hitlers Germany; patriotism the same feeling everywhere, communist China, Germany, fascist Italy, Imperial oligarch united states

                      If you ask someone why they feel patriotic about the U.S. they will have a difficult time coming up with a set of beliefs other than 'america is free' They might say other countries hate that we are free. They might recall the word liberty. Its hardly a set, its not intellectual.

                      But the feelings of patriotism are strong. MY country, Ill die for MY country. Im so OFFENDED, so angry, so full of pride. Allegiance is the root emotion of patriotism.

                      If Peace and liberty for all is part of the set of beliefs for the U.S. then patriotism caused countless soldiers and public to act against that set of beliefs

                    • m a x l i

                      Here's what I think what patriotism is:
                      To understand patriotism you need to understand how math and language come together. You need to understand, that we use different words for the same human activities, depending on how many people co-operate in those activities. Take the habit of threatening, harassing, robbing, exploiting, enslaving, harming, killing other people. When single persons or small groups do it, they are called criminals. When medium-sized groups (thousands) do it together, they are called a mafia. When a large number of people (millions) do it together, we call them patriots and heroes.

                  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                    This is either true.. or it is not true!

                    Sanity knows the truth!

                    MATRIX The REAL MATRIX – YouTube
                    Video for the real matrix youtube▶ 16:05

                • Well Code, I learned something new, just because I love my country but am unwilling to just go along for the ride, that I am willing to tell someone they are wrong with regards to what they are doing or saying, I cannot be a patriot. My country is never always right, my pos/potus is never always right and it is my duty to call out wrongs makes me unpatriotic? In my mind a true patriot rights wrongs no matter where they find them. I am delusional at best then but then again I don't wave flags in the air either


                  You'll find my poems "flags" on this page…enjoy fellow citizens 🙂

                  • There is no conflict in being a patriot AND calling out the evil that is carried out.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      you can call the U.S. part of the axis of evil and be patriotic about it simultaneously?

                    • Axis of evil is too emotional for me.

                      yes, of course, duh. And working to expose it and hopefully change it mitigate it.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      axis of evil is a take off on Bush. At the moment some people in Syria feel France England and the U.S. are an axis of evil…though they wouldnt state it so hackneyed.

                      It is not at all evident that someone can feel patriotism for a country they think is 'bad'. Do you think 200 years of constant war, subjugation and/or exploitation of the public, countries, poisonous exploitation of plant, land and sea, leadership of perpetual corruption is 'bad'? Whats the point of patriotism then? IF you moved to say Pakistan or Iran would you feel the same patriotism?

                      I think the answer is that you dont feel the U.S. is systemically bad…you think there are just a few liberals and NWO supporters whom, if we could just get rid of them, we could get back to good old business as usual.

                      There we differ in opinion. We have never come out of the dark ages into being truly civil. We arent a civilization, were just a hodge podge of business men and wage slaves and ignorant ideals…barely self aware

                  • Sadie says…ask an indian

                    One of my best friends is a Navajo, a former Captain in the Marine Corp and a former cop on the Navajo Rez. He loves America more than life itself and is sworn to uphold the Constitution at all costs. I have questioned him on this and there is no doubt in my mind about where he stands. He also believes in giving gifts of stones from places he has been, places you will never allowed to go.

                    • SadieDog

                      Ok. Do you think most Indians give a fuck about the American flag? Ones that weren’t marines, that is.

                    • SadieDog

                      They don’t.

                    • Wow, if someone gives me a rock from someplace special, that is more meaningful than a diamond. good stuff.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      The Navajo, like all natives, were ruined by the white invaders of their country. That a military Navajo feels such patriotism is a sign of the power of indoctrination.

                      He should properly denounce the invasion of the whites on American soil and now on foreign soil

                      gifting a 'special' rock from some indian ceremonial land is a mockery or travesty.


    'The Geiger Counter confirmed that the region above the earth, and in the path of the rocket, was cooking with deadly radiation'. ..Van Allen

    A facsinating story about a young Dr. Van Allen, and lethal radiation hovering on top of our atmosphere.

    And I didn't know that the Aurora Borealis is the Van Allen Belt!

    You have to read this story. It starts with a dead link..but the poster (OP) ? saved it & put it up. May this guy owns the site.

    "It [dead link] led to an important article on space radiation. Luckily, I saved the article. I'm going to post the whole thing".

    Is NASA Lying about the Levels and Nature of Space Radiation?l


    Physicists plan to wipe out Earth’s Van Allen belts with radio waves.

    And if they do, we will be dead shortly thereafter.

    The Van Allen belts protect our planet's atmosphere..and the Earth in general. It consist of very cold plasma bouncing fast moving electrons..keeping them away from the planet.

    .."but there is a decent scientific argument to be made that these belts provide us nothing useful, and that we could lose them without a single negative effect"

    So, good luck with that.

    • What about cosmic rays? solar radiation? screaming streaming rocks outta nowhere? This idea is dumb beyond stupid.

      With all the pollution we are living within, do you think your brain is safe? Do you think your thoughts aren't being effected? Do you think? Are you capable of an original thought?

      • Exactly there is no "scientific argument" saying we could wipe out the VAB and have no negative effect.

        I think those articles are part of a campaign to create fear, uncertainty, distrust, and division, everywhere.

        And here is a curious correlation, NWO attacks on a US president and decreases in life span overall….Kennedy and Trump

        Americans Dying Earlier, Peak Life, Similar to 1963 When Kennedy Was Murdered AND the "War On People"
        American Life Span has decreased the last two years in a row. The only other time that has happened was 1962, 1963 when Kennedy was exposing the secret societies trying to control the Government and Country. In other words, one of the first "New World Order" control pushes in 1962/63 resulted in a back to back years of decrease of lifespan. Similar to what is happening now.


    Haarp is 'clearing' space radiation?
    Yeah, the Van Allen's..

    "Protons are heavy, about 2000 times heavier than electrons, so if you imagine a proton bashing into a piece of silicon, it can do a whole lot more damage than an electron,” Bortnik says. “Clearing them out would be good.”

    And then Prof Dickhead? What is going to bounce mega space electrons off the Earth? The planet will heat. Van Allen is basically made up of solar wind & space stuff. Irradiated space stuff.

    Soo..was Fukushima a false flag to cover this new mega radiation? Makes sense to me. Blame all the new space junk rads on Fukushima! Did you guys Haarp the Japan Trench in 2011?

    This is akin to the nuke industry's waste fiasco, make a disaster that has no remediation..

    It doesn't take much now to see the real truth as to why the Earth is literally cooking, does it? Oh, and the nukists,they are in on this. Now we also know the truth about Starfish Prime.

    Ionospheric Heaters Are Destroying the Van Allen Belts

  • DUDe Even The Birds HATE Me Now

    Forgive me..all that resonates in importance to me and that i still care about what they think about me or don't..for i will not post process..


  • Sam Sam

    Jet Engine blow out on Southwest Airllines
    attributed to metal fatigue
    not one mention of the radiation effect
    on metals…. wigner effect (sp?)

    7 yrs ongoing Fukushima. suspect we will see
    a lot more metal fatigue in airlines……………

  • Continuation of piss poor climate models that predict the narrative but are not based in reality.

    Yous guys understand the cosmic rays and cloud nucleation thing now? Its real, and it goes against the general narrative. Red pill time

  • At least the magntiude of the mass die offs is lessening, that happens almost everything is already dead

    10th April 2018 – 100+ geese fall dead from sky after storm in Idaho, America. Link

    6th April 2018 – 38 pilot whales dead after washing up on a beach in Westland, New Zealand. LinkDead Whales New Zealand

    6th April 2018 – Thousands of dead river snakes and fish found in a river in Meghalaya, India. Link

    6th April 2018 – Hundreds of dead eels found in a stream, 'a shock' in Belfast, New Zealand. Link

    6th April 2018 – 6,000 ducks killed due to avian flu in Yambol, Bulgaria. Link

    5th April 2018 – 4 dead dolphins found on the coast of Yakakent, Turkey. Link

    4th April 2018 – 5 TONS of dead fish wash up in Bio Bio, Chile. Link

    4th April 2018 – Mass die off of birds in Taganrog, Russia. Link

    3rd April 2018 – Hundreds of dead fish wash up on a beach, 'a mystery' in Safety Bay, Australia. Link

    3rd April 2018 – 50 dead birds found around the Basarbovo monastery, 'never seen before', near Ruse, Bulgaria. Link

    2nd April 2018 – UPDATE: 200+ dead dolphins found during past few months in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Link

    2nd April 2018 – Hundreds of dead fish found in a river in Paradip, India. Link

    2nd April 2018 – Thousands of dead fish found in a lake in Land O'Lakes, Florida, America. Link

    2nd April 2018 – 30 TONS+ of fish die 'suddenly' in a fish farm in…

  • or-well

    Written by Chris Floyd

    One simple point: if the US/UK/France really believed the building they targeted (and hit) in a heavily populated civilian area of Damascus was actually making chemical weapons, what do they think would have happened if all that toxic material had been dispersed by explosions throughout the surrounding neighborhoods? Hundreds if not thousands of civilians would have died. So either the "Western powers" knowingly risked killing thousands of innocent people — or else they knew the building was not actually a chemical weapons facility.

    Thus we are left with two possible conclusions: either they are "gas-killing animals" happy to murder untold numbers of innocent people in a military action (the very crime of which they accuse Asad); or they are deeply cynical liars using entirely bogus "humanitarian" concerns to advance a geopolitical agenda of domination in the Middle East that has already killed more than a million innocent human beings, displaced millions more, destroyed several countries and destabilized the entire world. There really are no other options.

    Again: either they genuinely believed it was a chemical weapons factory and they blew it to smithereens without the slightest regard for what would happen to those in the area; or they knew it wasn't a WMD site at all. Either option makes an utter mockery of their sickening false piety about their concern for "innocent Syrian victims."

    • or-well

      continued –

      And by the way, what DID happen after the strike? Nothing. There was no dispersal of deadly chemicals, not even in the ruins of the building itself, as AFP and the Times of India report. Foreign reporters toured the site, without protective gear, in perfect safety. Obviously, there had been no chemical weapons there. Of course, the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) has repeatedly verified that Syria has dismantled all its chemical weapons facilities and that its stocks of chemical weapons were destroyed years ago, under international supervision. That doesn't necessarily mean there might possibly be some secret government chemical weapon facilities somewhere in Syria, although there has not yet been any evidence of this. But it does mean that the "chemical weapons factory" that the Trump-May-Macron axis claims to have hit in Damascus was almost certainly nothing of the kind.

  • youse guys are funny sometimes.

  • Code misses the point — that shite doesn't exist, so why pretend that it is possible or likely or somewhere.

    you are a non-tribal non-bonder,not that there is anything wrong with that.

    also technically I didnt say you were fucked up, just that a type of thinking was fucked up.

    stock says "you are missing that tribal bonding part that most humans have, so you think everyone else is fucked up. Thats fucked up dude."

    but he misses the point that I could bond with people of higher ideals…a country with politicians even, if they were sane, high minded, non corrupt, peaceful…servants.

    Just because I dont bond to the boys in the locker room and cheer for the soccer team…or the POS…I mean POTUS…doesnt mean Im fucked up. And so,,, thats pretty fucked up to say so dude

  • sadie say
    April 18, 2018 at 10:02 pm

    Maybe ask any Indian you meet about how he feels about the good ol us of a. Ask him what he thinks of the us flag. Hmmmm.

    Nope not getting on any whitey guilt trip. The modern Indians wiped out the woodland Indians around 1000AD. So there…..

    • SadieDog

      I guess your white.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      guilt for our white invaders is not required. That was them, not us, and this is now, not then. I might be more indian than indians living today.

      But feelings of entitlement, superiority, righteous indignation, ownership, patriotism…if guilt is not called for, these other feelings are especially not justified

      The woodland cultures were essentially like prehistoric 'cave men'. No wheel, no bow and arrow, no metal. But we cant presume to know that life, its value, its visceral connection with nature.

      The other indians got horses from the white men, they allied with different european countries…England and France…this changed everything. There is no excuse for white man invaders just because the natives were 'savage'. That was THEIR norm, just like capitalist imperialism is your norm. Who was more savage, really? All in all, the whites were more savage, and psychopathic

      My father had enough Ojibwa to be considered a native american. The Mohawks were fierce but also made sure visitors were fed and clothed. This native state is something we cant fathom. Like being a cheetah or lion or eagle…the laws and shrewd megalomania of white man seems an insignificant farce in the broad reality of the natural world

      • Wait…you can't be patriotic, unless you also feel white guilt? Sorry, nice paragraph, but breaking it down logically breaks it down.

        All the animals spirits work for and with the Holy Spirit, this i now know. Funny how that has never been explained anywhere in my experience.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          stock…you seem to have misinterpreted my meaning. If you read this again, does it make the same sense to you…that you cant be patriotic unless you feel white guilt?

          "guilt for our white invaders (our ancestors who invaded the Indians) is not required. That was them, not us, and this is now, not then. I might be more indian than indians living today.

          But feelings of entitlement, superiority, righteous indignation, ownership, patriotism…if guilt is not called for, (then) these other feelings are especially not justified"

  • SadieDog

    Tribal bonding? I just realized that was funny. Projection again.

  • Oh now we get to the heart of the matter, lol

    Surely you have heard of the unpatriotic Navajo Code Talkers, and the prior WW1 indians <sarcZ>

    I am sure they were just indoctrinated and then emotional.

    code sayeth
    The Navajo, like all natives, were ruined by the white invaders of their country. That a military Navajo feels such patriotism is a sign of the power of indoctrination.

    He should properly denounce the invasion of the whites on American soil and now on foreign soil

    gifting a 'special' rock from some indian ceremonial land is a mockery or travesty.

    • …who said anything about "ceremonial land", unless you think the whole Rez in that manner, if so then the whole planet must be included…there are places J.J. goes I would dare not tread, I don't think any white man would have the balls too…"denounce the invasion", you do not have a clue what the Navajo are about, I would suggest some research on your part to clarify in your mind what it is to be a Navajo. Not a plains or woodland native. The mindset/cosmology is completely different. They stress the unity of all things, all things.

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        Taffy….I remember sitting around on the floor watching TV…and un-anounced a whole bunch of black haired Navajos would start filing into the house. They slept on the floor of course. We didnt talk too much. This happened on several occasions. Thats because my dad was part of the native american church and friends with a navajo medicine man. It was those early, childhood experiences, the uber pungent taste of peyote, forcing a core dialogue with the red earth below, the canyon walls, and my place in the universe that gave me some glimpse of the Native Indian. I know a little of ceremonial lands.

        How can a navajo, whos ancestors suffered at invasion of the white man, be super patriotic and go invade the middle east or Viet Nam for the same type of man? The answer is partly because all men are white men. Life circumstance, experience and context makes people indian or white.

        Im sorry for the native indians…but I see they are in many ways just like the people that invaded their lands and hearded them onto reservations. To regain the fiber and nobility, one must go back to an experiential connection….not so easy in todays "keep out" polluted overpopulated world

        But even during the white invasion, the indians were already taking sides, fighting each other. The reverence and magic of native rites and ceremonies is…sorry to say…not so relevant anymore. The rites were always a mode of travel, not the destination. Out of self

        • Cool story, very unusual. stock out

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            a possible outcome of entheogens; if you think 'recreational' this word is going to be funny in a few hours. Its not easy. Some entheogens produce nausea. This can be a cathartic experience. Wilhelm Reich used throwing up to release blocks in his patients.

            What you are vomiting are these shells or accretions of little psychological structures. You may realize that the world view you took for granted was a construction in your mind. You realize you were 'tripping' the whole time and everyone is tripping.

            This cant be explained, it is something to be experienced. You make a shift from your normal self. The world appears interconnected in flowing patterns. You become empathic. This is not so easy because you may see all the pain you have caused.

            Entheogens are a part of the natural web of life on earth…a co-evolution…a part of our shared DNA fantasy ride as incarnate beings. How can people understand native cultures without this plunge into an alternate reality that lets you see that everything is an alternate reality…shaped by the perceiver.

            Talk about this is futile, its strictly an experiential thing.
            Ive played gigs with native indians. Indians are moving forward, we are all moving on. Entheogens are sobering. Very sobering




            • Thats funny, I guess Ayahuasca causes the vomiting purging too. never tried either, but thinking that a "journey" or 2 or 3 may go a long way towards a vision for how to live the second half of my life.

              I understand that Aya also sometimes leaves people with a "sobering" experience of seeing all the things they have already been fucking up in their lives, not a "bad trip" but a very realistic trip. I can see how someone thinking "recreational" could be surprised.

        • SadieDog

          Code. Are you saying Navajos gave you peyote in your house when you were a kid?

          • SadieDog

            Did you steal that?

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            Sadie, no theft involved…we would always go into the mountains or nature somewhere… I had a different sort of childhood…but it was really part of the era too. This is partly why its SO disappointing that the world didnt seem to wake up. Even I didnt…thats perhaps a common lament of the aged

            • SadieDog

              Funny. In all this time you’ve never mentioned Navajos giving you peyote as a child. Did you just watch the Doors movie or something? Sorry, I ain’t buying it. What’s the punchline?

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                Sadie…I dont recall you ever mentioning your psychedelic experiences. By your logic, you never had any then.

                Anyway, you made a leap of assumption. I didnt say those Navajo visitors gave me peyote. But what I did say is all true.

                Its not the sort of discussion for this forum I think…it was Taffy that got me into it when he said I had no idea about the Navajos. Thats funny in a way because we both live in the same state, and probably both had similar experiences. You drive up to Kayenta and you will interface with Indians! Indian land now has a big "keep out" sign, right after the visitor center…

                To not be understood, or even believed, and even my points reversed to their opposites is a common experience for me here.

                Its not a place for socratic dialogue….but we can have fun calling each other stupid, lying fools I suppose

                • SadieDog

                  “It was those early, childhood experiences, the uber pungent taste of peyote, forcing a core dialogue with the red earth below, the canyon walls, and my place in the universe that gave me some glimpse of the Native Indian. I know a little of ceremonial lands.”
                  Sorry I misunderstood.

                  • SadieDog

                    I wasn’t putting down psychedelic experiences. But I can play semantics for awhile. I’m bored.

                  • SadieDog

                    … but I understand.
                    That said, I would advise you and everyone else not to post such experiences or memories there of on the internet… anywhere, ever. One little piece of evidence that someone-who is not you, has admitted to ingesting an illegal substance, can prevent you from getting certain jobs and can prevent you from getting a weapons permit/ccp. Among other things.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      stock says

      "Oh now we get to the heart of the matter, lol
      Surely you have heard of the unpatriotic Navajo Code Talkers, and the prior WW1 indians.
      I am sure they were just indoctrinated and then emotional."

      It seems you take some kind of offense. The GREAT INDOCTRINATION goes further than mere pledges of allegiance to some country. To be incarnate is to be indoctrinated. People are very much like baboons. You see them warring, fighting for their clans, mounting retributions. Is it emotional? You bet!

      The wagon trains started across the plains to the west in 1841. The Lewis and Clark Expedition happened in 1804 to 1806. By the time WWI happened, the Indians were already a part of the new country. They were schooled by whites, there was intermarriage.

      Indians were coming out of essentially a cave man life…this was really quite different than say the state of affairs in India and China and the European invaders. I cant say exactly how patriotic these navajo who fought and did the code work were…they were already born into the millieu of the united states and the world stage

      " more than 10,000 American Indians serve in the U.S. Army … The rate of death and injury among American Indian soldiers is extremely high because they are often assigned dangerous scouting assignments—missions that many of them view as opportunities to demonstrate their strength as warriors"

      • SadieDog

        A cave man life?! Might wanna rethink that one.

        • Exactly, they were pretty nomadic, but cavemen is kind of insulting in my book (no offense to cavemen or cavewomen or fluid gender cave dwellers)

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          Who said cave men were inferior? Not me. Neanderthal and our ancestors had bigger brains. The depiction by museum staff and paleontology artists of cave men is as false as our early depictions of dinosaurs.

          I think my point stands; the rest of the world had been through the iron, bronze ages, the wheel, the bow and arrow for a damn long time while native americans were at the pottery and cliff dwelling stage.
          The woodland indians didnt even have bow and arrows until later. How is this much different than going to an isolated tribe in the Amazon and inculcating them into modern life? See? What is amazing is how erudite they became in western language. My point is valid

          I dont say that super ancient civilizations didnt make their way over, or that our native indians werent a part of 'advanced' civilizations before migrating over…but thats not relevant.

  • code sayeth
    It is not at all evident that someone can feel patriotism for a country they think is 'bad'.

    Surely you know that you have bad elements of yourself, and yet overall your sense of yourself is good.

    stock out

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      Have your patriotism….revel in it. I myself think the U.S. has some virtues. I would not like to be a Frenchman and encounter you as a German during Hitlers time….your patriotism makes you dangerous…willing to follow laws that are unjust and perhaps follow a despot

  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    codes axiom; my involvement here has always been futile

    • Code, incorrect, you have done quite a bit of good, starting the Chitin hypothesis for one, and much more on cellular reactions to toxins and radioactivity.

      But you waste time arguing with idiots for argument sake. Stop that, others in your life deserve that time instead. Empathy and time, they need that.

  • razzz razzz

    'SPD to Impose Marxism on Germany'

    "…So far, the SPD has not publicly stated which citizens are the rich. This has always been a huge problem. Even in the USA, the definition of the rich started at $5 million and has moved down to $250,000, and then it has moved down to a household income of $250,000. The easy way to raise taxes is to constantly redefine who are the rich by lowering that definition and then apply it to household income. The day most likely will come when it is applied to children earning income while still living at home. The hard internal struggle to create a new the grand coalition with the CDU will have a devastating impact economically upon Germany. The SPD now finally gets control to impose their socialist agenda…"

  • razzz razzz

    'Unleash the Dogs of War'

    "QUESTION: Mr. Armstrong, regarding your recent post about War, does this topic also relate to some hidden agenda about decreasing the world population?
    Thank you as always for your insight!

    Yours, JL

    ANSWER: There does not appear to be such a coordinated agenda. This is a few agencies who fear they are becoming redundant like NATO and need to create a situation to justify their existence. Furthermore, it also involves intelligence and military agencies in a few countries that need to also show their importance. There is no grand scheme to create World War III. This is unfolding as a series of events that are being justified for separate distinct reasons.

    Trump needs to appear hardline against Putin to demonstrate that he is NOT beholding to Putin for rigging the elect6ion as Hillary has told the world. Trump is misguided on Trade, as every other politician has been since World War II. That has awakened the sleeping giant of China, whose debt to GDP exceeded 250% going into the end of 2017 compared to 103.7% for the USA going into the end of 2017. It was stupid to attack China for an international trade deficit before anyone took the chance to actually investigate the numbers,"

    • Marty is good but not infallible, like Mish Shedlock, good but also totally wrong on some accounts, like "inflation gives those with first access to money the advantage"

      Bullshit….those with first access to money have the advantage. inflation does not give it to them, they just have more maneuverability.

      • razzz razzz

        We can all fail. On a regular basis.

        Armstrong offers $10 a month and up to access his computer generated numbers for markets. More money, you can have his computer track whatever stocks you wish and produce reports based on the numbers i.e trend, highs, lows, target points to get in and out, alerts.

        Armstrong fully admits he is giving opinions with his 'public service' postings but relies fully on his computer program to produce cycles and trends, long/short term trading, local and worldwide. His track record has no rival. He is the only one that publicly warns that it will get colder instead of warmer and prepare. Even Bastardi hasn't factored in the sun's cycles yet, still relies on modern satellite data.

        Armstrong says 2020 is when the public will awake to coming disasters as they become apparent. Shorter term, the regular markets pick back up in november. Until then, better to be on the sidelines.

        I say at least Trump gave us some tax and regulatory relief but that office always causes a morphing into stupidity. Seems a military agenda always wins out and the so called deep state is just an outlier allowed to threaten, harass, blackmail and kill to support an agenda setup by others. So arrogant their attitudes are.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          I wonder if Armstrongs computer tells us when the siphoning of 38% of the peoples work day to pay bankers and stock traders is going to crash the system

          • Code you got links for the 38% skim operation? Thats a good one.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              Of course the rich and the money lenders dont want people to know they are being fleeced. You work 40% of your day to pay usury, or interest to capitalists. A capitalist success story!

              What percentage of prices can be related to interest? It depends on the kind of business, particularly how capital intensive it

              is. Going from 12% for garbage collection to 77% for renting a house. All in all about 40% of prices can be traced back to costs for capital. These figures are by Kennedy and they have been corroborated by an independent study done by Erasmus University, Rotterdam, the Netherlands under the supervision of STRO, a leading monetary think tank in the Netherlands.

              So, you lose 40% of your disposable income to interest through prices.

              In Germany the poorest 80% pay 1 billion Euros in interest to the richest 10% PER DAY. Yes, that’s right, one billion euros per day.

              That is a grand total of 365 billion euro’s per year. That is one seventh of German GDP and extrapolating this to America, the

              poorest 80% must be paying at least a trillion a year.

          • razzz razzz

            'Tax Freedom Day'

            In the book Filthy Lucre: Economics for People Who Hate Capitalism, philosopher Joseph Heath criticizes the idea that tax-paying is inherently different from consumption:

            It would make just as much sense to declare an annual "mortgage freedom day", in order to let mortgage owners know what day they "stop working for the bank and start working for themselves". …But who cares? Homeowners are not really "working for the bank"; they're merely financing their own consumption. After all, they're the ones living in the house, not the bank manager.[11].."

            That site covers what people pay in taxes worldwide besides in the US. Includes all taxes paid.

            As Armstrong points out when relying on computer generated numbers, there is no emotion involved to skew the conclusions. Whatever the current burdens are or political climate the markets are always adjusting.


    What Is The Best Way To Control Human Beings?

    Pit one group against the other and let them fight.
    At least that's what Daryush Valizadeh thinks, and I agree.

    Native-Americans against whites. Blacks against whites. Red states against blue states. Pro-choice against pro-life. Women against men. Liberals against conservatives. Straight against gay.

    The fighting is endorsed and encouraged by the power elite because it distracts their unjust or illegal methods of control, that if carefully examined and brought to light, would bring into question their very justification of authority.

    Why does it suddenly seem like everyone cares about the homosexual issue? Why is it on the tip of everyone’s tongue? Because they’ve been programmed to care and talk about it.

    For the issues that don’t threaten those who have power, you will be allowed the ability to speak about them indefinitely without disturbance. In other words, if you have gotten into an argument or debate about homosexual marriage in the past year, you are an obedient sheep that is doing what it is supposed to do.

    You will keep talking about it because you’ve been fed propaganda to do so, and when you get bored of it, there will be a new “hot button” topic that will keep you busy and emotional..


    • GOM GOM

      Digital Slavery

      The masses must be distracted from knowing how they’re being screwed by pitting neighbor against neighbor. The most brilliant tool to do this is the internet, an always-on interactive television with Twitter wars and viral articles and funny memes that keep the populace in a permanent state of distraction with every single insignificant issue under the sun that doesn’t even approach the state’s toes.

      Whenever there is a Twitter battle between conservatives and LGBT activists, the power elite smiles, because people don’t know that a top dog at the SEC now works for a finance company that’s receiving billions in taxpayer money.

      Whenever a famous celebrity does something shocking, the power elite smiles, because no one is wondering how a drug got approved that ended up killing more people than it saved.

      Whenever a new app like Flappy Birds is wildly successfully in getting people distracted, the power elite smiles, because questions about how the government failed to protect its citizens on 9/11 can be ignored.

      Understand there is absolutely no way that they’d let smartphone-addicted sheep take away their power. The fact that the elite donates to both parties in legally sanctioned bribery called “campaign contributions” has guaranteed the puppet status of all modern Presidents and irrelevancy of every single election on the Federal level.


      • GOM GOM

        So Where Does That Leave Us?

        The power elite is quite snug in its position because we remain addicted to bullshit that pushes our emotional buttons. It would take a handful of more Edward Snowdens (and Julian Assanges and Glen Greenwalds)

        Nothing says safe like a viral article that can be understood without much thought while triggering base emotions that ultimately serve as distraction from the real problems caused by those who have power.

        Fighting the State

        Fighting the state begins with fighting your/our own addictive needs for entertainment and emotional validation. Cut off the television and the internet. Avoid propaganda. Read old books. Stop participating in race and homosexual debates. Think for yourself, without Twitter, Facebook, smartphones, or Netflix, and come to realize the important truths of the world through your own observation, meditation, action, and study. Once you’ve helped yourself think clearly and live deliberately

        GOM out..

  • Those who seek the Truth worship the Creator, not the created things or creatures. Spiritual oneness with the Creator comes from leaving aside the things of the world and listening to God’s healing of the self.

    Bible Verses About Fasting

    “Both the Old Testament and New Testament teach the value of fasting, which is abstaining from food or drink in order to focus on prayer and seeking God's will. Through many examples of people in the Bible who fasted, we can know that God grants supernatural revelation and wisdom through this practice. Scripture tells us that fasting will help us grow a more intimate relationship with Christ and will open our eyes to what He wants to teach us.

    Instead of escaping the self, one finds healing and fulfillment of the self through embracing God the only perfect and completely loving Father.

    Galatians 5:22-23 ESV
    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

    2 Corinthians 3:18 ESV
    And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.

  • Every step you take to be more independent, less dependent is a firm poke in the eye to those who depend on your dependency.

  • Codependency vs. Interdependency

    “…What makes interconnections healthy is interdependency, not codependency. Paradoxically, interdependency requires two people capable of autonomy (the ability to function independently). When couples love each other, it’s normal to feel attached, to desire closeness, to be concerned for each another, and to depend upon each other. Their lives are intertwined, and they’re affected by and need each other. However, they share power equally and take responsibility for their own feelings, actions, and contributions to the relationship. Because they have self-esteem, they can manage their thoughts and feelings on their own and don’t have to control someone else to feel okay. They can allow for each other’s differences and honor each another’s separateness. Thus, they’re not afraid to be honest. They can listen to their partner’s feelings and needs without feeling guilty or becoming defensive. Since their self-esteem doesn’t depend upon their partner, they don’t fear intimacy, and independence doesn’t threaten the relationship. In fact, the relationship gives them each more freedom. There’s mutual respect and support for each other’s personal goals, but both are committed to the relationship….”

    • People who are chemically dependent seek enablers because their addictions are more important than relating to someone in a healthy relationship.

      Those who are not chemically addicted have too much wisdom to give up their freedom for a chemically dependent person.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      the public is codependent on the government, the FED the bankers and the capitalists. Its not healthy.

      In personal relationships…if one finds it difficult to say 'I love you', try mumbling 'i wuv woo'

  • Code…yes, we share many of the same types of experiences, in many of the same locales and I think we share many of the same results and affects…I am sorry for loosing my kool and being irrational in some of my comments, these "things" that we share are more important to me than I am most times willing to admit, you are better equip to express that which I can only feel, you know of what I mean. It is you who will understand it when I say, I want to be in red sand more than I want to live, again, I can only feel it, you can express it. This thing about hiding who we are and what we have experienced, according to Sadie, surely is a joke. How can let myself down from an elevation it took years to climb??? Maybe someday you and I will see each other in the wind, I think it would be nice. Thanks for Being and for not chewing my ass out for being reactionary 🙂 Peace.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      this is a note to Taffycat…so the rest just…divert your eyes ok?
      I hiked down to Keet Seel as a little kid. You didnt need a permit or anything. The wide open silence…the muddy stream, the cliff dwellings. And then about 12 or 14 years later, I was going to go down there and take some peyote. But things had changed…we needed a permit. So we just stayed up at the top…and I wont get into the experience there…very earthy and empathic

      Next day we visited this medicine man friend, and his son was going to take us out to a hole in the rock in the monument valley. We were out there and this Indian buck roars up in a truck, livid that white men were there on his sacred territory. He was fighting mad. That was that, we werent welcome, medicine man friends and my dads red skin notwithstanding.

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        so the next day we went to a cafe before our drive back to the city. And there I was smitten by this indian girl. I was probably 20 or 22…I dont keep track of the dates. She was just working there at the cafe. We could talk easily, unlike the rejection and awkwardness of the white girls I knew in school and all that. She explained she was actually Sioux.

        Here before me was this beautiful moon faced raven haired earthy goddess and we were getting along with an ease and grace so unlike the usual torture. And so I fantasized of how I could move up there, live in a hogan in the red dirt and be with this girl. I was smitten.

        Of course it was just an illusion. She probably wanted to get off the rez into the broader life. If I could have pulled it off, which I couldnt, I would end up with this extended family, alcoholic indians etc,; I would be saddled with the same struggle, working half the time just to carry capitalists on my back…because, thats how things are everywhere.

        I was like Walter Mitty who could only fantasize of a brave, good life on the red sands and bluffs of Indian country.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          But heres the interesting part; I discovered why I was smitten with beautiful girls; I was a simple plaything of the gods. I had this dialogue;

          me; Why do you make me smitten and tortured?

          gods; well we get a mild amusement out of it. Its funny seeing you squirm and lament and act stupid

          me; but why, how can you justify it…it seems cruel

          gods; you will never answer why. Why is for men, we are gods, we dont need a reason. gods are cruel, thats all you will ever get to know. We can tell you this much; we justify it because you are profoundly insignificant

          me; well are you ever going to let me off the hook…I dont want to be smitten, at your mercy

          gods; no, were never going to let you off the hook

          • Code…how well I know smitten, it isn't a curse, nope.
            When I was 12/13/14?, my uncle Mart was the Park Ranger for Canyon De Chelley and he unlocked the gate to White House for us. Years later he and his wife work at Rough Rock Demonstration School and I spent my 16th summer at the base of Black Mesa. I found home. I came alive and I've never found it anywhere else. I miss home a lot, all the time. My uncle often spoke of going with medicine men to Keet Seel. This was late 60's early 70's. Have you read my poem "eye's"? It will take you there. Enjoy the trip 🙂 Peace.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              Canyon de Chelly is amazing. The Navajos were murdered by the Spanish and by Kit Carson. Indian tribes were also brutal. That the whites could sail the Atlantic, cross the continent, find and murder the Navajo is incredible. What a fucked up species we are

          • GOM GOM

            My dearest confused Code..

            Your "smitten" is your 'caveman' sex drive. Males are driven by youth & beauty. There is not a more perfect example of this than in the movie The Clan of the Cave Bear with Daryl Hanna. The book is better.

            Women's 'looks' or sexual attraction peak at between 16 and let's say 25. Then most women start aging, badly. Especially if they have had children [the main reason for wrinkles].

            These 'ageing' women are often caucasion or light skinned. Darker women have an edge due to illusion. 'Tan is youthful' we are told.

            I'd say females burn out at 40. The whole 'losing your mind with menopause is no myth. We wrinkle up rapidly, mood changes, bone issues..ect, ect.

            Maybe we were supposed to start dying off..but something changed on a evolutional level.

            I've come to the conclusion that women should make a life free from the mental agony inflicated on them from societal pressures, or just from men who are proverbially consumed with the need to be "smitten".

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