FORUM: Off-Topic Discussion Thread (Non-Nuclear Issues) — New as of January 2017

Published: January 2nd, 2016 at 1:10 am ET


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  • SadieDog

    Cmon kids!!! One of the most evil men ever to live is in intensive care. If we all wish really, really hard… Maybe we can get ol’ diddy Bush to die! Just close your eyes and wish super hard that the devil comes and skewers him and takes him roast on a fiery spit for eternity! 🤡☠️👻

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    "the author of Big Israel: How Israel’s Lobby Moves America, reveals the revenue of the Israeli lobby’s will reach $6.3 billion in 2020, with 17,000 employees and 414,000 volunteers!"

  • This physician thinks Trump may have a medical problem:

    Medical Theory for Donald Trump’s Bizarre Behavior

    Many mental health professionals believe the president is ill. But what if the cause is an untreated STD?

    “…Physicians like me have also taken notice of Trump’s bizarre, volatile behavior. Given our experience, we can’t help but wonder if there’s a medical diagnosis to be made. After all, many medical conditions exhibit their first symptoms in the form of psychiatric issues and personality changes. One condition in particular is notable for doing so: Neurosyphilis….”

    • GOM GOM




      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        a person is a despicable moron for posting something on Trumps mental health?

        Its easy to see he has narcissistic mental disorder, and based on his action in Syria, psychopathy.

        "petition with 36,000 signatures declares that “Trump appears unable to control his compulsion and displays characteristics of all nine criteria to officially diagnose an individual with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.”

        That Dr. Steven Beutlerit is suggesting it could be from syphilis is gratuitous. You might as well speculate he got kicked by a mule, was raised as a brat or eats too much sugar. But then, you are making your own diagnosis…

      • GOM, why don't you ever read the links? The doctor is suggesting that his problems are curable. That would be great for him and everyone.

      • DUDe DUDe

        Shut up GOM , you are the one who turns in to a "horrible" something as soon as you start lecturing people around you with ugly clockwork..and don't ever use me again "as example" for whatever when discussing with others m'kay..i don't care if it is done with a compliment or not.

        • GOM GOM

          Just noticed this. Calling someone out is NOT "lecturing". Need a Thesauras?

          You appear to be upset. This is due to my reaction to the degrading Trump post. And nothing more.

          Your blind hatred for the President is disturbing. [As indicated by various posts]. And of me. I don't give fuck.

          And yet, you play KISSY-ASSY with the biggest fucking long term sneaky TROLL on here, CodeShutdown.

          YOU..,in the past, have yelled at me. The same way I did to 'Anne'. ?? Selective memory? Early Al's?

          Or maybe you haven't looked in mirror to see what an ASSHOLE really looks like. You do have a mirror, don't you DUD..

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            A common belief by GOM, Sadie, Hippie Dog and Dr Anne;

            'biggest fucking long term sneaky TROLL on here, CodeShutdown.'

            But can they point to anything that Ive said that is incorrect, or pro nuclear?

            • ya, saying that the source of all that ails us is capitalism. Incorrect, almost incredulous

              • DUDe DUDe

                Name me ONE manmade thing we all agree it "ails" the world that issent affected negatively by capitalism..

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                ha! thanks for your input stock. If we modify it slightly, is it still incredulous? 'Capitalism is inherently exploitative, unsustainable, creates economic inequality, is anti-democratic and leads to an erosion of human rights and incentivizes imperialist expansion and war.'

                I have linked studies showing you work 40% of your life to pay off capitalist bankers and wallstreet…another couple of hours a day to pay off the capitalist middle man profit margin. Do you disagree with that? Is it the facts or the opinion that is incredulous?

                Isnt the business of nuclear founded on capitalist ideals? Globalism, corporatism?

                Deep State: Follow the Rothschild, Soros, and Rockefeller Money; With almost unlimited capital, Wall Street moneymen use it to centralize government. Their plans smack of worldwide crony capitalism, with government rules made to order.

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  stock, why not write a piece on capitalism for your nukepro site? I gave a hefty amount of background information here…did you catch any of it?

                  • Code compile it and email to me, the stock address stills works for like 6 more weeks.
                    I'll post it, maybe some edits

                    ya caught much of it

                    Funny how the Bern is going full tilt socialism, they can't figure out how to get more votes, so they go extreme.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      I thought we could write the article on capitalism together. In fact many people could take a paragraph to ease the work load.

                      I could take the history and how it came to this. How bad the burden of capitalism really is on the public…consuming 3/4 of the energy, hopes and dreams.

                      You could perhaps explain how the prime directive and ideology of capitalism- profit, caused the IAEA to control the World Health Organization, which further permits the legal subsidy of nuclear plants by governments using tax money. Explain how capitalist ideals which frame every transaction in terms of profit and loss leads to stifling laws like the state secrets act, or acceptable deaths per kilowatt hour, or set the standard for which energy source is used by cents per kWHr, which further leads to lying and corruption. I mean you could write a book on this

                      Earthsmith could write a paragraph on how indigenous cultures lived in harmony with nature for untold centuries before capitalist forces threw them into poverty and subservience to the system

                      Anne could write a paragraph on how capitalism made a market of all frequencies of the electromagnetic spectrum, thrusting humanity into paying for their own unhealthy exposure to radiations downplayed by profit hungry corporations.

                      Obe could show how capitalism is a centerpiece of the matrix, with horrific consequences globally

            • INCORRECT: Saying that science hasn't proven that low level radiation is causing disease and death and that CODE is the only person in the world who is working to disprove the lies of the nuclear cult.

              And how many are the very many monikers that you use to attack other people? Those attacks don't keep this website alive. Instead they make sure that scientists, especially anti-nuclear whistle blowers and those proving the harm of low level and high level radiation from all fission and nuclear accidents, will stay away.

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                I dont use any other monikers.

                As far as low level radiation, I spearheaded the insight that background radiation is often entirely different than nuclear fallout, exemplified by the specific activity and bioaccumulation factors. This is important because if you simply demonize ALL ionizing radiation as you do, then background radiation will always be used for the exculpation of fallout, as we see at Woods Hole and media press releases everywhere.

                I never said I was the only one working to disprove the lies of the nuclear cult.

                You live in your own invented reality. Something that is true for all of us

                • not all realities are created equal.

                • Just because a tornado may kill a person does not mean that someone can blamelessly kill another human being with killing man-made technology.

                  Just because cell phones kill people with non-ionizing radiation doesn't mean that the people who approve and build nuclear reactors for energy are blameless when those reactors kill people. Just because the suns rays can kill people with radiation doesn't mean that nuclear weapons aren't weapons of mass destruction.

                  Both nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons should be completely outlawed.

                  Just because nuclear waste kills people on land doesn't mean that those who throw that waste into the ocean with floating nuclear reactors are blameless.

                  It is an extremely peculiar code that allows people to kill other people without any consequences or responsibility.

                  I'm sure that depleted uranium was used in the recent missile strike in Syria. Depleted uranium destroys the land forever and is even more terrible than the use of chemical and biological weapons.

                  Two wrongs do not make a right.

            • Sure…

              Woods hole is wrong so pay no attention to real testing…

              Instead we should pay attention to you comparing potassium to nuclear waste…

              A 6 X increase in reading means nothing because there is nothing there to start with…

              The experts like ken buesler know nothing and code shutown knows the real truth….

              All the people that are fighting to get the word out (like me for example) are all paid to discredit you…

              The truth? You discredit yourself with your mindless arguments that make no rational sense and then you will even contradict yourself, to keep up some trolling argument that means nothing.

              It's all in there for the record…

              Nothing but a distraction from the true science so you can push you totally unfounded and obviously wrong studies of nothing based on nothing and then tell us not to listen to those that actually have a job studying the facts while you spout fantasy crap and meaningless insults continually…

              You are the very definition of a troll code shutdown…

              Proven by your own posts over a long period of time never ceasing even in the face of obvious proven science.

              And still haven't seemed to learn anything except how to spout fantasy and insults.

              I'm not going to waste my time going back through the hundreds of examples in past posts made by you. But perhaps you should, sometimes a fresh look at stupidity shines the light on ignorance for the ignorant.

              • Jebus Jebus

                Hey Hippie…

                The Transfer of Dissolved CS-137 from Soil to Plants

                Many investigations of cesium uptake by plants have been performed during last few years.
                Different theories have been postulated for those parameters that affect the uptake of Cs-137 by
                plants. Many researchers consider K as an analog of Cs-137 in respect of plant uptake. (See the
                review [1,2]).


                • YES!!! Cs's mimic potassium, that's why your body will absorb them. The problem is the actual chemical makeup is different so it causes damage instead of being nourishing.

                  That's both a radio logical thing AND a chemical makeup thing.

                  Any animal or plant that likes potassium is subject to Cs uptake, each in varying amounts depending on how much potassium it would use and/or store and how much fake potassium (Cs) there is laying around to be absorbed.

                  So we see apples in contaminated areas that are all but completely free of Cs…

                  And mushrooms / truffles and moss that could be several 1000's of times higher in these isotopes. Where a apple could be considered save for consumption, other plants in the same area could be more than 100 times the limit considered safe for consumption in the same areas…

                  So animals like fish and wild boar would also have high concentrations of these isotopes due to their diet and environment whereas the deer in the same area could be relativity free of these isotopes.

                  So it's not just where you do the study, it's also what you study.

                  Those on one side of this issue will study apples and say the levels are low while someone on the other side of the problem will study wild boar and mushrooms and say the levels are very high.

                  In truth both the levels studied would be correct, just doesn't prove how much isotope is actually there.

                  Food for thought…

                  • Jebus Jebus

                    "Just doesn't prove how much isotope is actually there."

                    If they can't prove how much is there then how do they determine the safe biological exposure levels of the varying isotope decay rates and activity levels?

              • Jebus Jebus

                And please, turn the light out when you are done…

          • DUDe DUDe

            Hi bitch , i'm not in the mood or have the time to make my hands dirty on you today..or your disturbing "president" that seems to have lied about his "alibi" about a certain tape..if so,why..ah..the itching to deliver an uppercut from your level or deeper is strong..but nah..not worth it..not stepping in the trap..

            Btw , i responded because i was under the impression you where flaming here and there for a day or more in a row already..another GOM "episode" whatever..

            The Velvet Underground – I'll Be Your Mirror (Lyrics)


  • DUDe DUDe

    Chemical Madness!

    All of humanity currently risks exposure to toxic chemicals all over creation in a similar vein to the Mad Hatter of Alice in Wonderland fame. And, maybe, as a result, goin’ kinda looney and getting horribly, dreadfully sick!

    As soon as the Spring of 2018, the EPA will decide whether to risk the slaughter of birds and bees and pollinators that serve critical functions in crop production, as well as goosing-up the likelihood of chronic illnesses of citizens. The issue behind this flirtation with disease, sickness, pain, and death is regulation, or lack thereof, of chemical pesticides.

    Meanwhile on a grand scale, and following decades of superfluity, the planet gurgles, drowning in a massive saturation of chemicals found far and wide, as high as Mt. Everest (arsenic and cadmium) as deep as PCB-infested squid in the Mariana Trench, glowing bright shiny toxicity.

    This article discusses only a tiny smattering of chemical madness that haunts the world yet a subject of thousands of articles of research discussing potential dangers to health of which the public is dreadfully unaware.

    Thus, the overriding thesis herein: Unwittingly, society is poisoning itself.

    Anecdotal evidence alone is reason enough for alarm, but of more concern, several scientific studies show real, actual, direct links of pesticides to human chronic diseases. Regrettably, chronic disease is already at severe epidemic levels never before witnessed!


    • Do any of you think your brain is safe? Do any of you think your thoughts aren't effected? Do any of you think?

      • DUDe DUDe

        No Taffycat , i don't think anything is safe at all..except the sickness that creates all this..madness for the sake of madness..

        And i can feel myself getting more stupid every year since fukusall..

        The coherence of the bio-mass is degrading from the inside out..

        The other day i picked up somewhere that we are "composed" of
        "one thousand different species"..all interconnected and interdepended working to keep the this case another bipedal /shoot..going within the bigger picture..

        Why would this be any difference for other composed is a composition and everything is alway's build out of something smaller and part of something bigger..and all need the same mandatory conditions to function for themselves and in interconnected symbiose to create a bigger entity within a bigger entity like the planetlife etc..

        Manmade chemicals are not part of those mandatory conditions neither above as below..

        Dessertification from the inside out..coherence desintegrating between all life whilest having to endure deseased fucktard ego's with a hatred for life parading on the screen highfiving themselves everytime they increase the severity of their monstrosity another notch or two and still be met with waves of cheers from the crowd..

        oh well..

        • I too feel my thoughts in disarray since FUKU…I am so glad you mentioned ego, which is in my opinion the bane of humans, I work at having the ego of a lizard, fore I am the Lizard King, I can do anything 🙂 I look at the people in the news and think, wow, what would they be like with their ego under control???

          "bane", a thing causing death, poison. Mac Dictionary.

          • Taffy, I felt like shit for about a year after Fuku, mental and physical morbidity at a noticeable level.

            But then the flies came back, and i started feeling better too, with a steady progression. i feel better now than pre-Fuku, at least my own physical and mental self. I can't say I feel better about the whole "state" of things.

            Good food and water, and I am up to around $8 per day in supplements, mostly vitamins. Superfoods and pro-biotics, and some meditation.

            I don't get befuddled.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              a capitalist success story. Go Trump! Go FDA! You awesome devils!

              FDA Attempt for Codex Alimentarius Roll-Out that would make Vitamins Banned or Prescription Only


              • You ruined my nice comment with an anti-trumper you bully, ok I will take the hat off, i have been beat into submission. y'all are right


              • FDA will try to do this with MJ too, then they can fully regulate it, even CBD oil and such

                Trump just last week indicated that legal pot businesses and such would not be federally attacked in any state in which they are legal.

                More states rights are a good thing overall.

                See? Added to my list at nukepro.

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  If Trump is an awesome guy, he should get the FDA the EPA and a lot of three letter agencies to do the right thing. At least say something. How can people possibly think Trump is a great man? Obviously a low life real estate tycoon with narcissist disorder who has no credentials to be president. Can there be argument over that fact?

                  • he is great for putting his own life at risk in order to push back the NWO and governmental overreach, politicized 'science', including lie on CO2 and the Paris $20T wealth transfer.

                    your statement that there cannot even be a discussion goes beyond absurd.

                    And the option was Clinton

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      I dont see evidence Trump is pushing against the NWO. What is it, specifically? Did he even mention the NWO?

                      What are the government over-reach issues that Trump is rolling back? How is it going to help? On the contrary, FDA and EPA are in the hands of corporations.

                      Why be in dreamland and excuse Trump for letting corporations pollute, give them tax breaks and go further into folly?

                      What is Trumps position on the Bureau of Land Management? Herbs and supplements? Pharmaceutical companies? Big agri-biz? banking? Rainwater collection? Raw milk?

                      You say this is beyond absurd;

                      "Obviously a low life real estate tycoon with narcissist disorder who has no credentials to be president. Can there be argument over that fact?"

                      what part do you disagree with exactly?

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      trump appears to be pro GMO, pro Monsanto, has received lots of money from them etc


                      Is that how you push against the NWO?

                    • Code you are losing it….I define the answer to your question, you didnt even read it.

                      your statement that there cannot even be a discussion goes beyond absurd.

                      ——————————-I have clearly defined the NWO pushback, he calls them Globablists

                      And the EPA water grab, in detail

                    • he probably doesnt understand GMOs, i ddint until several years ago.

                      have to send a fax……..

                      just the fax maam

                    • razzz razzz

                      Academia has no place in reality.

                      The fact Trump pulled us out of global warming treaties or reduce taxes or is curtailing government regulations is anti-NWO.

                      The alternative is carbon credits, zero emission vehicles, higher taxation and government jobs for all. Just ask bernie. At least he is not to thrilled about nuclear power generation.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      The number of people seeing tax increases would soar in 2026 and 2027, the Tax Policy Center found, because the individual tax cuts in the bill are temporary, meaning rates would snap back to their current levels after 2025. That would result in 53.4% of all units seeing an increase in 2027, according to the analysis.

                      zero emission cars…OMG, the horror!

                      inasmuch as the NWO is a global governance, how does curtailing U.S. regulations which protect the ecology a fight against it?


                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      If these are the globalists constituting the NWO, then it goes without saying that Trump is in no way battling them

                      NWO globalists..who are they?

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      as Trump opens up our great nations resources for global corporate exploitation from sea to shining sea, I want to sing a song of love for our great savior. Come on, sing along with me stock…razzz


                      So many nights I'd sit by my window
                      Waiting for someone to sing me his song
                      So many dreams I kept deep inside me
                      Alone in the dark, but now you've come along

                      And you light up my life
                      You give me hope to carry on
                      You light up my days
                      And fill my nights with song

                      Rollin' at sea, adrift on the water
                      Could it be republicns at last our home
                      Finally, a chance to say hey, I love you
                      as Obama and Hillary turn to stone

                      'Cause you, you light up my life
                      You give me hope to carry on
                      You light up my days
                      And fill my nights with song
                      It can't be wrong
                      When it feels so right
                      'Cause you, you light up my life

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      "NWO globalists..who are they?

                      Thanks for that Code..

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Trump is simply a showman..he is very good at it. Bill Clinton was a car salesman..he was very good at it. Bush was an oil man..and he was very good at it. It is what it is..all of it is corrupt.

                      It is all a show..for the millions of human livestock.. that are now enslaved.

                      Code sees it clearly..

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      "Bush was an oil man..and he was very good at it."

                      Hmm not sure obe..had he not also brought a oil company to its knee's or something..its a far away memory but..

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      9-11 false flag and the war in the middle east..was created for oil..his watch. Think conglomerates dancing in the moonlight.

                      But then we could believe it was to free all these people!


                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Bobby is that you?

                      No man~ I am not Bobby!

                      Yes you are Bobby!

                      No man I am not Bobby!


                      Bang~ Bang!

                      Facial recognition may be coming to police bodycams, triggering fears it could lead to cops targeting innocent people if they are wrongly identified as suspects

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                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Why do they pull out all the stops for their own.. while spending massive amounts of money.. to find the killer?

                      Yet in Chicago..they simply fill out a form.. when someone is killed?


                      Hunting is suspended in Maine as massive manhunt continues for suspect in fatal shooting of deputy

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                    • DUDe DUDe

                      "9-11 false flag and the war in the middle east..was created for oil..his watch. Think conglomerates dancing in the moonlight."

                      Correct ! 🙂 That + the always present zionist agenda motiv , dancing for all the unspeakable evil tricks their favorit pet performs for them dastards around the world..

                  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                    Not another one!

                    Hope this one does not collapse at "free fall speed" too!

                    Trump Tower is on fire in Azerbaijan capital Baku just weeks after deadly blaze at building in New York

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  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    technology; bane or boon to humanity and life on earth?

    The deforestation of the world is one of the huge problems. Its a bigger problem than consumerism. An estimated 18 million acres of forest, which is roughly the size of the country of Panama, are lost each year. This idea that nothing can be done about it is not true. Humans can live a free life on a verdant, food yielding, lively planet free from corporatism, free of laborious hours devoted to carrying bankers and capitalists on their backs. We have to use technology though. Glass, gears and nozzles, mirrors, even computers. There is no doubt some pollution and exploitation is associated there, but it is a way forward. You cant return the population of earth back to basket weaver stone tool civilization types.

    Ape man MUST reforest the earth. We already cut down half the trees on our blue green planet!

    reforestation of australia

    sintered sand using solar. This can run automatically and virtually independent of human labor with the right tweak in design

    There are now 3d printers that are being made with 3d printers. Smart people automate and reduce jobs. What indigenous cultures were ideal? I say they werent.

    using simple technology like the Waterboxx plant cocoon, you can turn desert back into green fertile land.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      Using the sintered sand technique, plant cocoons and dome homes could transform the sahara, essentially without labor. Imagine the Sahara as an oasis, without a government, no police, free food, free housing, no land tax, food tax, no christian, muslim or other religious indoctrinations creating division, pride, strife and war. Much of the youth is ready for that.

      from desert to oasis in the sahara

      There are chinese companies making wind turbines out of bamboo composite. Even polymer can be naturally sourced.

      Imagine hamlets gowing like so many bubbles of dome homes. Students designing psychologically, biologically compatible architecture, printed from sand and sun. Bamboo wind turbines, solar cells, solar cookers. With technology, you can have flying machines, cool electric cars gliding on curved roads that meander through verdant green belts, bike paths etc. Sports, arts, music could flourish.

      but its impossible to have a free life you say. Marinaleda shows you can have an anti-capitalist life, have plenty of wholesome work for everyone (they make a mistake of not trying to reduce this to a minimum), have your own home for $20 a month, no crime, no policemen in military gear making you conform

  • DUDe DUDe

    Butt-buddy's in crime with Trump and Theresa May..

    Macron-Libya: the Rothschild Connection

  • DUDe DUDe

    Emmanuel Macron Rothschild Antichrist Superstar Heavy Metal Remix

  • OT, but I was curious, since the meme is that the NRA has bought the government……Hoggs breath

    The N.R.A.’s annual lobbying budget is around three million dollars, which is about a fifteenth of what, say, the National Association of Realtors spends. The N.R.A.’s biggest asset isn’t cash but the devotion of its members. Adam Winkler, a law professor at U.C.L.A. and the author of the 2011 book “Gunfight,” told me, “N.R.A. members are politically engaged and politically active. They call and write elected officials, they show up to vote, and they vote based on the gun issue.” In one revealing study, people who were in favor of permits for gun owners described themselves as more invested in the issue than gun-rights supporters did. Yet people in the latter group were four times as likely to have donated money and written a politician about the issue.


    tariffs on them!

    I am not sure why anyone goes on Tuckers show to be eviscerated every time.

    "have you thought it through"

    That is the whole point. i dont expect most people to be able to play chess, but at least play checkers at a low level

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    "Boston Globe reporter fabricated news coverage of the Boston Marathon Bombing… internal investigation launched"

  • “CNN)CNN has projected that Republicans won the special election in Arizona's 8th Congressional District, but once again Democrats have overperformed in a deep red district, in another sign the national environment is in the their favor.

    “The vote count is not final, but Republican Debbie Lesko is currently ahead of Democrat Hiral Tipirneni by about a 5-point margin.
    In a neutral environment, the margin should be much wider. President Donald Trump won the district by 21 percentage points in 2016 and Mitt Romney won it by 25 percentage points in 2012. Combining those outcomes and controlling for how well Democrats did nationally in each of those contests, we can say that Arizona 8 is 25 points more Republican than the nation. Lesko looks like she's going to do about 20 percentage points worse than that. …”

    Even though there are more than 70,000 voters who register as Republicans than those who register as Democrats, she did not win by 70,000 votes.

    Curious that with all the beautiful land in Arizona, there are still people there who vote to destroy the environment. A beautiful environment is not a right, but needs activism to preserve it. Life is not a right, but needs activism to preserve it.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      and its neck and neck with the dems coming up on the Backstretch..!
      everybody has money in the parimutuel pool for a Pick Six wager!
      and its an exciting afternoon here at the Kentucky Derby!
      Saint Trump is the one to beat and hes running strong in the clubhouse turn!
      But the pinko liberals are making a comeback and if Saint Trump comes in second this could mean a fire sale!

      Is Hillery Killery back in the race? She wants to be a front runner but the competition is stiff and theres children in the barn!
      If she runs it will be in the Handicap race whipped by a good jockey
      Yes, its a muddy track and the conservatives are all over the odds board and its an optional claimer

      and now theyre coming up to the quarter pole at the infield rail…and its dems against repubs, libs against cons
      will saint Trump spit the bit? Will they follow the Rue Lala? The crowd is screaming now, and the runners are IN THE MONEY!

  • razzz razzz

    'Where The Future Looks Bright'

    "It is a shame that much is misunderstood and has been driven offshore. So many people think Stem Cells are taken from dead babies. They are gathered from the umbilical cord but can be extracted from your teeth or even fat tissue in your own body. But the answer is yes. Stem Cell research is the next generation that can really be our saving grace for the future against superbugs. They can tank you blood and create a new heart. Aside from the day when you will be able to replace organs, it is helping to shorten the 10-year cycle in the development of new drugs.

    This is right on time and it should provide the next advancement in medicine providing the next way of technological advancement. Biotech companies can also “print” living tissue using specialized 3D printers. They can print tissue that can be used to produce skin for grafts, or cartilage for joints. This is the next great advancement in medicine. One company is Aspect Biosystems, which went into partnership with Johnson & Johnson to develop 3D-printed knee meniscus tissue.

    The future is not all dark and foreboding. That seems to be limited to the political-economy. In other areas, the future looks different and promising."

  • DUDe DUDe

    Trump Administration Supports Changing Indian Health Programs That Will Sabotage Treaty Rights
    Trump administration maintains tribes are a race rather than sovereign governments and Indian Health should not be exempt from Medicaid’s ‘race-based’ work rules

    The Trump administration is supporting a major policy shift on Indian health programs which could result in a loss of millions of dollars to the Indian Health Service while also sabotaging treaty rights.

    A story in Politico Sunday raised the issue. It said, “the Trump administration contends the tribes are a race rather than separate governments, and exempting them from Medicaid work rules — which have been approved in three states and are being sought by at least 10 others — would be illegal preferential treatment. ‘HHS believes that such an exemption would raise constitutional and federal civil rights law concerns,’ according to a review by administration lawyers,” Politico said.

    Seema Verma, administrator for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services confirmed in January that the Health and Human Services contends that tribes are a race as opposed to a separate sovereign government, thus not exempt from Medicaid work rules.

  • DUDe DUDe

    Medicaid Work Requirements: Trump's War on the Poor Expands, One State at a Time

    Pennsylvania resident Anna Kruk Corbin is a mother of two children with Noonan Syndrome who depend on Medicaid. She is fighting yet another GOP threat to the public health program on which her family relies: The Pennsylvania House of Representatives passed a bill on Friday that would throw thousands of people off Medicaid for failure to meet work requirements.

    "Medicaid saved my family," Corbin said, noting that she previously would have faced financial ruin if it were not for the program. "We had so much medical debt and credit card debt. It wasn't sustainable."

    Corbin devoted much of her life in 2017 to save Medicaid from several horrific versions of Trumpcare. She attended protests more times than she can recount in Washington, DC and at her state capitol in Harrisburg. The regressive national GOP bill was defeated, of course, but attacks on Medicaid are now accelerating at the state level across the country.

  • DUDe DUDe

    Trump White House Now Just Openly Courting Corruption
    Mick Mulvaney is actively encouraging bankers to bribe lawmakers to get what they want.

    There was some surprise, last week, when the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau announced a $1 billion fine against Wells Fargo for mortgage- and loan-related abuses. Acting C.F.P.B. Director Mick Mulvaney, after all, has all but gutted the agency in his five short months there, freezing all new investigations into financial companies and effectively refusing to punish any malefactors in its sights. Had Mulvaney, who previously sponsored legislation to get rid of the bureau and called it a “sick, sad joke,” had a change of heart? On Tuesday, clearly sensing those questions were in the air, Mulvaney set the record straight: he still fully believes the C.F.P.B. does way too much for consumers, and to prove it, he told a room full of bankers exactly how to bend his sad shell of an agency to their will.

    “We had a hierarchy in my office in Congress,” Mulvaney said at an American Bankers Association conference, where 1,300 bankers and lending-industry officials had gathered to hear him speak. “If you’re a lobbyist who never gave us money, I didn’t talk to you. If you’re a lobbyist who gave us money, I might talk to you.” A spokesperson would later half-heartedly claim that this was taken out of context, but it wasn’t a slip of the tongue—he literally believes this is how the government should run. Manipulating lawmakers with…

  • DUDe DUDe

    Trump's First Salvo in Push to Weaken Vehicle Standards Struck Down by Court
    The ruling involved a penalty automakers pay for failing to meet auto efficiency standards. Other efforts to weaken the CAFE standards could be at risk, too.

    A federal appeals court in New York on Monday blocked the Trump administration's efforts to delay penalties against automakers that fail to meet carbon-cutting emissions standards in new cars.

    A three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit threw out a decision, announced by the Department of Transportation last July, to postpone increases in the penalties that automakers are required to pay if they don't meet efficiency standards under the Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) regulations.

    The Trump administration's attempt to delay the penalties was its first salvo in a crusade to weaken the vehicle standards, which were predicted to prevent billions of tons of climate-warming carbon emissions from newer vehicles.

  • DUDe DUDe

    Exclusive: US official appeared to delay protections for endangered species at behest of oil group

    The energy friendly agenda inside Trump’s interior department is revealed in records obtained by the Guardian and the watchdog groups Documented and the Western Values Project

    The Texas hornshell is a sleek green-grey mussel that once thrived in the Rio Grande watershed, its habitat stretching from southern New Mexico down into the arid Texas borderlands. Some of its habitat happens to overlap with rich deposits of oil and gas.

    Amid a long-term decline in its range, the Obama administration in 2016 proposed to declare the mussel an endangered species. Upon taking office, however, the Trump administration changed tack.

    A top interior department official, Vincent DeVito, appears to take credit for helping to delay federal protections for the species at the behest of fossil-fuel industry groups, one of several examples of his willingness to prioritize the needs of extractive industries with business before the government, according to public records obtained by the Guardian and Pacific Standard as well as Documented and the Western Values Project, both watchdog groups.

    DeVito, a Boston energy lawyer and the former co-chair of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign in Massachusetts, is a little-known figure in the US government. He is one of a host of political appointees hired by Ryan Zinke, the interior secretary whose department oversees well over 400m acres of…

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    Biosludge crisis
    "Thousands of tons of New York’s human sewage is stuck on a train in Alabama… say what?"

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    Chemtrails "Her doctor told her that lots of bacterial infections are going around, and when she asked him where they are coming from, he told her the truth that many doctors wouldn’t dare reveal to their patients: Chemtrails are at the heart of widespread lung problems right now. Surprised by his candor, she asked if she could videotape him talking about the phenomenon. You can see the video below; the unnamed doctor appears just before the 8-minute mark."

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    " April 25, 2018 "Information Clearing House" – The South Carolina Senate has recently passed legislation that changes the definition of anti-Semitism to include criticism of Israel, and then applies this new definition to college campuses in a manner that experts say will impede free academic inquiry. The U.S. gives Israel over $10 million per day, and Congress frequently approves increases to that amount; restricting discussion on this issue could serve to bolster and increase these expenditures."

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    "In the most recent fiscal budget, the U.S. Congress approved $705.8million for Israel’s missile defense program, a boost from the $600m allocated last year. This aid is on top of $3.1b in annual military aid to Israel through a ten-year Memorandum of Understanding (MOU), which will increase to $38b during the 2019-2028 period."

  • DUDe, lol as if on topic off topic means anything here anymore.

    Its a discussion board with a neat commenting system I wish I could steal the html for (or borrow long term)

  • Great topic — the meme is not just "carbon" anymore, but nuclear hand in hand with solar and scalable, rampable. load following. efn hilarious!

    By Cathy Milostan, Argonne National Laboratory

    Nuclear power plants typically run either at full capacity or not at all. Yet the plants have the technical ability to adjust to the changing demand for power and thus better accommodate sources of renewable energy such as wind or solar power.

  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    Codes easy steps to sainthood

    the man who ignores and muzzles science, is considered an idiot

    but if that man abandons the Paris climate agreement, he is considered an idiot savant

    if you advance the approval of the Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines (the pipe purchased from China) and seek to privatize Native American reservations to open them up to drilling and mining, thats fine because indians were savages and you now become a champion for U.S. sovereignty

    if you halt participation in the Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative, encouraging secrecy in oil, gas, and mining payments by multinationals on American lands, you are creating jobs and stimulating the economy and fighting the new world order

    if you downsize national monuments and remove more land from federal protection than any other president, you are amazing

    if you allow drilling in nearly all U.S. waters with the largest expansion of offshore oil and gas leasing ever proposed, starting new exploratory drilling operations greenlighted through the GOP tax bill in the Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge, and seismic airgun blasting, a method used to find oil on the seafloor, (known to harm whales) you are now a great president for achieving American energy dominance

    If you do all these things plus give tax breaks to the rich, while cutting benefits to the poor, you become a saint and a martyr, savior of mankind

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Perfect! We all must be blind..and stupid!

      • DUDe DUDe

        Sorry last one..

        Yes, We Are Witnessing a Plutocratic Coup

        "Many Americans are reluctant to accept that coup conspiracies are part of country's history. We tend believe that plots to overthrow the government are totally foreign to our national character. But we do do coups. In fact, the country itself was founded on an armed coup to replace the legal ruler, King George III, with a gang of revolutionary upstarts. One coup that most of us haven't heard of is The Wall Street Putsch of 1933. The financial establishment — along with its media and political henchmen — rushed out to bury the story and protect the gentlemen of Wall Street implicated in the part. It's a heck of a story about capitalist skullduggery by a few Lords of Wealth trying to overthrow the government and enthrone a fascist regime friendly to them."

        "Nonetheless, officials failed to punish the perpetuators of this outrageous assault on our democracy. And with the help of a Wall Street-loving media, the coup attempt was sealed off from our history books.

        Fortunately, a real patriot was able to expose the traitors, nipping the coup d'etat in the bud. Their attempt reveals the threat of concentrated wealth and the ever-present danger that the imperious rich pose to majority rule. Not only should this real-life drama be highlighted in history books; it should be a blockbuster movie."

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        looks like spin spin spin to you but what exactly wasnt true true true?

        The actions listed are apparently true, its up to the individual to think they are signs of a great leader or a corporate tool. I dont like any of those actions, yet I bet razzz and stock think they are good, even amazing


    Post-Fukushima U.S. Super Storm Outbreak

    Precursor of things to come..

    April 2011

    The 2011 Super Outbreak was the largest, costliest, and one of the deadliest tornado outbreaks ever recorded, affecting the Southern, Midwestern, and Northeastern United States and leaving catastrophic destruction in its wake.

    Damage: ~$11 billion (2011 USD); (Costliest on record for a tornado outbreak)

    Duration: April 25–28, 2011
    Largest hail: 4.5 inches (11 cm) in diameter in Saltville, Virginia.

    Four F5 Tornadoes


    Post-Fukushima 2011 Heat-Rain Anomalies

    The global average temperature in 2011 was 14.52 degrees Celsius (58.14 degrees Fahrenheit). According to NASA scientists, this was the ninth warmest year in 132 years of recordkeeping, despite the cooling influence of the La Niña atmospheric and oceanic circulation pattern and relatively low solar irradiance.

    Worldwide, 2011 was the second wettest year on record over land.

    The most expensive weather disaster of 2011 was the flooding in Thailand in the second half of the year, which ultimately submerged one third of the country’s provinces.

    At $45 BILLION worth of damage — equal to 14 percent of Thailand’s gross domestic product — it was also the costliest natural catastrophe the country ever experienced.

    And much, much more..

  • razzz razzz

    'US Surgeon, Who Exposed Clinton Foundation Corruption In Haiti, Found Dead'

    "Dr. Lorich was found by his 11-year-old daughter on the bathroom floor of his tony Upper East Side apartment with a knife in his chest at around 1 pm on Monday.

    The knife missed the surgeon’s heart, leaving him to bleed out and be found by his daughter. Despite the fact police were called to the property regarding an “assault“, they instantly registered the death as “suicide” and closed the case…"

  • razzz razzz

    'Schools are removing analogue clocks from exam halls as teenagers 'cannot tell the time''

    "Schools are removing analogue clocks from examination halls because teenagers are unable to tell the time, a head teachers’ union has said.

    Teachers are now installing digital devices after pupils sitting their GCSE and A-level exams complained that they were struggling to read the correct time on an analogue clock.

    Malcolm Trobe, deputy general secretary at the Association of School and College Leaders (ASCL), said youngsters have become accustomed to using digital devices.

    “The current generation aren’t as good at reading the traditional clock face as older generations,” he told The Telegraph…"


    Scientists might have been wrong about the Chernobyl disaster..

    Scientists argue that the first of two explosions reported by eyewitnesses was a nuclear, not a steam explosion, as is widely thought.

    Instead, the researchers believe that the first explosive event noted by eyewitnesses was a jet of debris ejected to an altitude of almost 2 miles by a series of nuclear explosions within the Chernobyl reactor.

    Nuclear Technology
    Volume 201, 2018 – Issue 1

    A Nuclear Jet at Chernobyl Around 21:23:45 UTC on April 25, 1986

    Scroll down to abstract, followed by introduction..ect

  • DUDe DUDe

    And now for something urgent..

    Scott Pruitt Is Killing Us

    Environmental Protection Agency head Scott Pruitt, who first gained Donald Trump's attention by devoting his life to the utter destruction of the EPA for the benefit of his friends in the fossil fuel industry, has turned that agency into a three-letter wrecking ball. He wholeheartedly believes that his agency's role is to serve polluters and big business, but he is also in service to Trump, who titters with glee every time some Obama-era protection is erased.

    You have to see it all in order to really encompass it, and this isn't even all of it. What began with a headline in November of 2016 — "Trump Wins" — quickly accelerated into a headlong windsprint toward our collective doom:..

    Long list..

  • DUDe DUDe

    Flint Residents Pay to Drink Polluted Water While Nestlé Pumps Great Lakes for Profit

    Janine Jackson: It is impossible, really, not to connect two recent pieces of news: Residents of Flint, Michigan, have been told that the state that poisoned their drinking water will no longer provide them free bottled water. They'll be going back to paying some of the highest prices in the country, some $200 a month, for water that may still be making them sick. The Washington Post reports at least 12,000 homes in Flint still waiting for replacement of lead pipes.

    At the same time, Michigan approved a permit letting the Nestlé Corporation pump more fresh water out of a well in the Great Lakes Basin to bottle and sell at a profit, more than half a million gallons a day, the right to which will cost Nestlé…wait for it…around $200 a year. And that won't increase, although the amount of water they are taking will — by 60 percent.

  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    red pill expo

    interesting group of speakers. Some conservative, some liberal, some non partisan. Exposing chem trails, government corruption, vaccine danger, LaVoy Finicum's wife, agenda 21, second amendment rights, real estate investment (gawd!)

    • Gotta be a=real (really?) somewhere, given by those that don't know or care about you…

      But then what do you care huh…

      A new lie that means nothing but get's attention? Nahh…

      And it's not because of proven shitheads, it's because most just don't pay attention to real simple truth… Ya saw it on the flashing idiot box so it must be true huh?

      Soundgarden Black Hole Sun With Lyrics:

      Dane brammage knows no bounds…

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        It would be great fun to see HD try to have a show down with Cynthia McKinney. She can crack coprolite crystals, HDs energy source

        • Dane brammage? Didn't get it? The dain brammaged ones never get anything…

          …but that's par for the course huh.

          Ever thought about real truth? Too much uncomplicated and obvious truth?

          Nahhh it'll never work huh…

          Radiohead Meets The Police – Live Looping Mashup by Elise Trouw:

          Or maybe a real educational experience for those that just can't learn…

          Nahhh no reason to pay attention to real testing and prospecting? Too much trouble huh…

          Nahh no reason to actually understand those proven facts…

          Dane brammage? Nahhhh….

        • danger kitty danger kitty

          Oh…I think HD's copralite crystals done cracked already, Code.
          He's gone tottaly generic. He gives no clue what he's railing on about. No specifics.
          drivel mutt STILL hasn't caught on yet that nobody clicks his cartoon links. Not that his links explain much.
          Could it be that Hissy Dog is some kind of low budget AI program much of the time?

          • Cut some more trees down adn brag about it Dannnger kitten…

            And then think you are actually doing something good too…

            After all killing stuff seems to be your forte.


            Nahhhh too easy to figure out huh…

            • Just not complicated enough?


              Whatever you do…

              …don't watch that one, ya may actually learn something.

            • danger kitty danger kitty

              So you would leave dead trees standing over the house, sidewalk, or the children's jungle gym?
              Why do you hate the children, HD?
              BTW, my work is not all removals. I give live trees a lot of TLC & excellent trimming. No topping, hat racking or hacking. I suspect you don't know the difference.
              Keep on spewing frass, driveler, hope you like the taste of dirt…

              • Nope but you wouldn't right? Left? confused? True or false…



                • danger kitty danger kitty

                  Why do you hate the children, HD?

                • I love the children (not sexually) and the true truth too…

                  And ain't that what the real truth does…

                  Reguardless of the rumors and BS…

                  But then that's what makes me think about those that don't have a clue about what is true and correct…

                  • And I misspelled Regardless, probably because I just don't think that way…


                  • danger kitty danger kitty

                    HD, your words–>"… that's what makes me think about those that don't have a clue about what is true and correct…".

                    As usual, youre a little lite on specifics there, lil pup…

                    • Or heavy on truth and very light on dumbshit…

                      But then maybe I'd (and you) would have to actually pay attention…

                      Dang the luck huh…

                      Recon this one's got it?


                      Find us some true truth studying that…


                    • And when ya get a chance watch this…


                      And if you are too smart already, don't bother…


                      Joe Bonamassa – Stop!


                      May need to get a clue…

                    • danger kitty danger kitty

                      There is still not a single hint of context in your ejaculations, HD.
                      Read your own posts, ignoring your ewetube videos, see if you (or a newcomer) can discern what your point is.
                      And, again, HD, I dont click on your scat.
                      You slow to catch on?

                    • SadieDog

                      HD, you are either really stupid, bordering on retarded, or you’re a program like some have suggested. Nobody watches your videos, and an intelligent person would not keep posting constantly moot drivel.
                      Like a pile of dog shit on the sidewalk, I choose to simply step over or around you. … while holding my nose.

                    • Wow you stink like the total crap you root around in litterbox kitty…

                      Exactly when will you actually learn from the information given freely to you? Ya know for free as in not paying for it?

                      I'll bet you will pay someone to give you nothing but more shit to root around in and ignore any real truth you see…

                      And it's because it didn't come with a bill huh.

                      Here's a idea, if you have nothing to actually contribute then don't feel you have to step on your'e own dick and say nothing.

                      If you feel it's better to pay a stranger to tell you some crazy stupid crap mail me a check for (let's see here) all your free money and then maybe you'll pay attention.

                      Make your check payable to:

                      I must be a complete dumbass fouyndation care of dumbshits international br549 stupid as a bag of hammers 00000-00000 zero NC…

                      Get a grip or simply shut up scoiecity, also will take your silly donation without even having to mail it…

                      Too stupid to believe it also taking donations at this time…

                      Wowsers fool, it just doesn't get any dumber that that son…

                      But if you need further help…

                      …check out:


                    • OOOOOh typo to stupid ti believe ti is akso taking donations…


                      Nahhhhh huh…

                    • danger kitty danger kitty

                      LOL, theres a small bit of progress there, HD.
                      A small nano particle of a hint.
                      You appear to be saying I'm ignoring some unspecified truth.
                      What truth, specifically?
                      Is it a "really real" truth?
                      Are you the sole judge of this 'truth'?

                    • danger kitty danger kitty

                      From the sound of it, You appear to be drinking. Again. Try to focus, HD.

                    • Scary? Beyond Belief…

                      Now get a life and grow a real brain quick!


              • danger kitty danger kitty

                That was not a coherent answer, HD.

                • Did you watch the video?

                  Then you are uninformed…

                  Let's try this again litterbox rooter…


                • danger kitty danger kitty

                  HD, which "truth", specifically, are you alleging that I ignore?
                  Try to focus, HD.

                • Jebus Jebus

                  Society has degraded so far that all the knowledge of the general public comes from you tube videos.

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      It is just sad to see someone act that way in a public forum where mostly intelligent humans are trying to communicate about todays issues and opinions…

                  • Only if you want to see a video…

                    If you want to cry and whine like a child use



                  • So basically act a fool and insult someone while really contributing noting to any real conversation and laying waste to those that contribute for a personal agenda?

                    Nahhh couldn't be what you are doing…

                    I really liked all the real radiation facts you showed us in you last 3 posts…

                    …thanks for the dedication to the craft…


                    • Jebus Jebus

                      What craft?

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      Is it the one where you set your geiger counter up somewhere, broadcast it live, and wait for the radiation to come to you?

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      Is it the one where you get unaware people to scoop buckets of water and send it to you so you can empirically say it's all safe because it's just a bit more than all the bombs we eat?

                    • What craft? That one kinda says it all…

                      And nope, it's the one where you have averages over time so you actually know when something comes through…

                      But that free (almost free) education takes the will to learn the truth instead of guessing…

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      ROing your water only at home is not a craft.

                      It's cognitive dissonance…

                    • danger kitty danger kitty

                      What craft?
                      He just told us– he's the hero because he is contributing "for a personal agenda?"
                      But, we knew that. Motive apparent.

                      If that's not what you meant, HD, maybe you could brush up on sentence structure.

                    • "Is it the one where you get unaware people to scoop buckets of water and send it to you so you can empirically say it's all safe because it's just a bit more than all the bombs we eat?"

                      Nope it's the one that shows that nuclear power plants that should have been shut down years ago are leaking and will eventually kill us all…

                      Past the expiration dates? Recertified to continue? For another 20 years?

                      What the FUCK have you been paying attention to?

                      Obvious isn't it.

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      Small Modular Reactors…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      yeah, watch the grammar…its not 'what craft', its 'witch craft'

                    • danger kitty danger kitty

                      Most of what you post here, HD, is old news to most of us here. You're new here, remember, pretender? And much of what you post relies on Woods Hole & other nuclear deceivers.
                      Jebus is the epitome of paying attention. You, HD, are not.
                      In fact, that is Jebus' signature phrase, which you appropriated. You do that frequently. When you do things like that, that is when I wonder if you are a low-budget Artificial Stupid program.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Hippie dog links to videos faster than he could watch them. For example, the time interval between the post before the 'nothing compares to you' video is two minutes. While the video itself is 5 minutes. I have noticed this many times.

                      HD likely gets paid for pushing music videos/and/or trying to defame people

                    • Yep the lies are witchcraft (as in unreal) The lease has expired and that was the DEFINING RULE that allowed these fools to build these death traps to start with BY LAW!!!!!

                      Now someone can simply come along 20 years later and make a excuse (oh we fixed it) and keep these rattle traps running?

                      Ya have a problem getting your car inspected but the most dangerous fool trap on the planet can get a 20 year inspection? Really? And keep running down that road to the rodeo of dead kids and cancer for all?

                      And what are we actually paying attention to?

                      Ball games? Trump said? A tweet??? Facebook????

                      Stupid is as stupid does…


                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Its evident Socref wrote the Hippie program. He indicated as much. His genius was powering it on coprolite crystals

                    • danger kitty danger kitty

                      HD, do I detect that you are SURPRISED that the NRC,the United States government & those that OWN the US government are at all times and in all ways, sometimes knowingly and sometimes not, trying to kill us all as quickly and efficiently as possible?
                      Like I said, HD, you bring old news…

                    • "Hippie dog links to videos faster than he could watch them. For example, the time interval between the post before the 'nothing compares to you' video is two minutes"

                      Funny thing about that observation there codeshutdown?

                      I've probably heard that song before and may have played it 1000 times before too…

                      Think I should listen to it again? And by the way I'm listening to it in another window as I type this message…

                      More comparing apples to turds? Must be a fake non relevant number in there somewhere huh…

                      And you can learn and stop that crap at any time… All ya have to do is learn

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      you mean you arent a nefarious, diabolical troll, keyed in with high tech processing, supported by a team of government agents on an important cointelpro mission to keep the public from knowing the true danger of nuclear fallout in these times of the apocalypse? Youre saying your operation is not powered by coprolite crystals, in deep underground tunnels that link the white house, NSA headquarters and Mt Shasta?

                      wow….thats really a let down. That means weve been totally wasting time arguing with a common fool who is just watching cartoons, drinking booze and trolling as a sick hobby.

                      you should have a talk with your father about this problem…dont forget to pull your pants up first…

                    • What I mean is you are the very definition of a troll and a shill that starts problems and tells great totally fake stories while downplaying real nuclear problems and spouting fairy tale potassium stories for distraction…

                      You have a big sounding writing style but either are a mental case of are a nefarious BS spouting fool code shutdown…

                      You and your little crew of blab spouters are the very definition of trolling and (like you don't know already) here's the actual true definition of what you do continually…

                      "In Internet slang, a troll (/troʊl, trɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll's amusement."


                      …The truly sad part is it's obvious to anyone that has a working brain and can simply read who the real troublemakers and lairs are here and if there's any question about who the real trolls are, all one has to do is scroll up and look at the dribble you and a few others waste time posting here…

                      Wow what a obvious and already proven truth…

                      No confusing fake numbers or eloquent words needed to figure that simple fact out huh…

                  • SadieDog

                    Hey now. You can literally find a utube video on anything. ANYTHING! I believe different people looking for different things will find different things. You’re comment is demeaning and insulting to people that are capable of using utoob to educate themselves. Maybe you are just searching for the wrong videos.

                    • SadieDog

                      This still one of the most amazing videos I’ve ever seen on YouTube.

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      The point in context is that it should not be the sole source to present in debate.

                      If true it should be referenceable…

                    • danger kitty danger kitty

                      Yep, truth " should be referenceable…"
                      Not unilaterally declared to be "truly true" or so undeniable that one " knows it in one's knower"

                    • Yea I like real science! So why did the granules move? Because they were acted on by a seemingly invisible force! But it was visible and was a real viable force!!!!

                      And yea is a great resource only put down by people that put stuff down no matter what…

                      Or as grandpappy used to call them, whiners…

                      Ya know…

                      Whiners whine…

                      Stealers steal…

                      Drunks get drunk…

                      Dopers do dope…

                      Fools are foolish…

                      And ignorance knows no bounds…

                      And youtube?


                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      things that are truly true can only exist in a universe thats really real. Thats why one doesnt find the truly true in the sickeningly sick world of of the shit faced coprolite head of HD

                    • SadieDog

                      If it proves a point it could and should be considered at the only source of a debate. Are you saying if I need to repair my lawn mower and someone shows me step by step how it’s done in a utoob video, that I shouldn’t consider it?

                    • SadieDog

                      Refrenceable to what? To whom?

                    • danger kitty danger kitty

                      So, HD, you like "real science".
                      When are you gonna present some "real science ?
                      Backed by references, not video.
                      Summarized, coherently, in your own words.

                    • SadieDog

                      Sorry, I just can’t stand that people put down an entire video encyclopedia(practically) in an argument. To me, when you say, you tube is altogether bunk, just proves your ignorance.

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      Obviously I was not referencing music or entertainment videos, I like videos, cars, music, but to answer your question, the subject of the video or why make it…

                    • "The point in context is that it should not be the sole source to present in debate."

                      So now let's get this one straight…

                      Should we debate fairy tales? Or should we in good conscience and knowledge debate known facts and NOT waste valuable time discussing things like 1+1=2 because someone doesn't know that fact?

                      Wait politically incorrect crap for making friends and kissing ass?

                      Should we simply state truth and watch the turds float.

                      Ya know here's the true truth like it or not and then watch turds float to the top while typing the swill with their own hands and using their own time to do it?

                      Who's that helping?

                      Spending time in fantastic fantasy land helps who?

                      No one and nothing…

                      The score at halftime is nuclear 2+ million fools 0…

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      Again the context was knowledge…

                    • danger kitty danger kitty

                      Sadie, if you try to repair your lawn mower like you saw in the YouTube video, and you succeed, then you know it was truly true.
                      But really, Sadie, you know we're talking about the Glamorous up tempo subject of nuclear death and annihilation. That's serious business. Thats science! We need to get our facts straight to know just how truly well we are screwed.

                    • "So, HD, you like "real science".
                      When are you gonna present some "real science ?
                      Backed by references, not video.
                      Summarized, coherently, in your own words."

                      Funny thing you turd scraper have presented NO (as in a big fat 0, none, zero, zilch, zippo, nada) facts or even a idea on any subject. Ya just root around in your own shit and blurb insults…

                      Ever actually found a fact worth mentioning? No huh ad that would be obvious after months of nothing but insults…

                      When are you actually going to join a real conversation on anything?

                      You can do it, if you actually want to…

                      Daaaaanger kitty….

                    • SadieDog

                      I’m not referencing music videos either. I made that clear.

                    • SadieDog

                      No I don’t know that. Jesus made a broad statement about YouTube.

                    • SadieDog

                      Don’t get me wrong. HD is like a rat in the wheat.

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      I'll use danger kitty's analogy.

                      If I watch that you tube video of the guy changing his lawnmower blade and I follow his instructions without referencing his work to see if he is doing it right then I am just depending on a you tube video to ensure that I am installing that blade correctly.

                      Same for moon landings…

                    • I am and here's some folks that want to see nuclear gone now and record songs and videos and try their best to make that reality happen…




                      And why is that so complicated? Especially when our children are depending on us?


                      Double wowsers with a wowser on top…

                    • SadieDog

                      See jebus, I was waiting for it and you delivered. You’re definitely a female aren’t you?

                    • OK here, I'll use that one too…

                      It will be the same only different for all you whiners out there

                      "If I watch that you tube video of the guy changing his lawnmower blade and I follow his instructions without referencing his work to see if he is doing it right then I am just depending on a you tube video to ensure that I am installing that blade correctly."

                      The truth?

                      Here's some hippie truth for ya…

                      If you didn't watch that you tube video of the guy changing his lawnmower blade (a professional?)

                      and you paid some fool to do the job that you didn't know and you didn't know it was truly done correctly you would be depending on someone else to ensure that what you needed done was done correctly and would not come off and cut your poor, uninformed and lazy foot off.

                      then you would probably need to see your doctor and have him up your meds or eliminate them all together…

                      Gotta socket set?

                      Double do nothing wowsers…

                  • Jebus Jebus

                    And the evidense presents itself…

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    "Two federal regulators are fining Wells Fargo $1 billion for forcing customers into car insurance and charging mortgage borrowers unfair fees."

    • Here's a stupid idea…

      Don't turn over your hard earned money to them to play around with…

      A billion dollars to play with and ya wonder how thy got the power to effect your lives?

      Wow what a mystery huh…

      And a tweet can change the whole stock market outcome for a day? What a total mystery…

      It must be dane brammage…

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    " Witnesses of the alleged chemical attack in Douma, including 11-year-old Hassan Diab and hospital staff, told reporters at The Hague that the White Helmets video used as a pretext for a US-led strike on Syria was, in fact, staged.

    “We were at the basement and we heard people shouting that we needed to go to a hospital. We went through a tunnel. At the hospital they started pouring cold water on me,” the boy told the press conference…"

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    " The Turkish government has made the decision to repatriate all of its gold reserves that are currently housed in the US Federal Reserve System (FRS). Overall Turkey was storing 220 tonnes, valued at $25.3 billion, in the US, which it repossessed on April 19, 2018…
    This is a dramatic move reflecting an international trend. Venezuela repatriated its gold from the US in 2012. In 2014, the Netherlands also retrieved its 122.5 tonnes of gold that were stored in US vaults. Germany brought home 300 metric tonnes of gold stashed in the United States in 2017. It took Berlin four years to complete the transfers. Austria and Belgium have reviewed the possibility of taking similar measures.

    Few people believe the US Treasury’s assurances that the 261 million ounces (roughly 8,100 tonnes) in official gold reserves that are stored in Fort Knox and other places are fully audited and accounted for. The Federal Reserve has never been fully and independently audited. The pressure for a full, independent audit of all US gold reserves has always been resisted by the government and in Congress. Nobody knows if the gold is really there. What if the vaults turn out to be empty? It’s wiser to bring your gold home while you can, rather than to just keep on wondering."

  • Jebus Jebus

    Fresh off the mutton rack.

    Chernobyl, Fukushima

    Different Accidents, Similar Consequences

    Slick propaganda, but once you go MAD, you become your enemy…

    • Jebus Jebus

      Amazing, Majia is interviewed by Sputnik and it is posted today…

      On the 32nd anniversary of the most destructive man-caused disasters in history, the explosion at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant in northern Ukraine, Sputnik discussed the liquidation of nuclear incidents throughout the world with Majia H. Nadesan, Risk Innovation Fellow in the Graduate Faculty of Hugh Downs.

      Sputnik: In your view, how do politics affect such disasters as the Fukushima incident?

      No wonder the "it's all fear" piece I posted above was put out…

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Well.. there you go! Better than 50 million dead!

          Kim Jong-un's historic walk south: North Korean dictator becomes the first to cross into the South for 65 YEARS and warmly shakes hands with his sworn enemy President Moon Jae-in at unprecedented peace summit

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          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            Very sad..

            Cancer is hitting 9/11 firefighters earlier and harder than previously thought, new report finds

            Read more:
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            facilities, as well as those exposed to radiation from the atomic bomb suggest an increased likelihood of developing multiple myeloma for those who have been exposed to ionizing radiation. … Multiple myeloma is a “specified” cancer under the EEOICPA.
            Multiple Myeloma (MM) and Exposure to Ionizing Radiation Findings …

            • GOM GOM

              Demolition of buildings..

              There is a ton of shit that will kill you in differant ways, these toxicants go from irritant to deadly. But in building demolition, the worst could be Silica.

              Like asbestos, silica is a respiratory irritant that can also cause COPD. It usually takes more exposure over time to have its more serious affects, but is something to be taken very seriously.

              Silica is a natural substance found in all kinds of stone, and is released by drilling, sanding, demolition, etc. In buildings you’ll get silica in any stone or to a lesser extent earth, and bricks, concrete, ceramic tile, even sand.

              I watched the Sands implosion from a safe distance, rooftop.

              In the following video, note the left side of blast zone to which the dust is spreading more rapidly.
              (Also note the hoarde-of-the-clueless).


      • GOM GOM

        I appreciate your posting this, but stopped reading after a few minutes. Why? Sounds like 'lawyer speak'.

        I consider myself very well read, but imho most people are tune out with this type of lingo.

        We are so saturated with political mumbo-jumbo..people don't want to hear it, hense the rise and election of Trump.

        She had a golden opportunity and blew it. A chance to get the word out in 'lay people' language. Something that might provoke fear & rage other than the monotonous nuclear/political BS. That platform is old & tired.

  • Fractured Fairy Tales…

    The Phox The Box And The Lox

    Recon that make any sense? Yepper…


    *Israel Has Purchased the South Carolina Government

    Landmark Bill Restricting Criticism of Israel Sneaks Through South Carolina Senate

    South Carolina is poised to be the first state to pass legislation to adopt an Israel-centric definition for “anti-Semitism.” This will then apply to the state’s campuses, potentially limiting discussion of Israel-Palestine to one-sided information that fosters U.S. policies that provide Israel $10 million per day.

    The bill has been heralded in Israel as a “a landmark bill” that will lead change across the U.S. and the world.


    How things change out from under us

    Anyone who has been around for awhile and who pays any attention to news sees many disturbing changes.

    Recently I read a news report that two children, ages seven and eight, had an altercation at school during recess. They were carted off handcuffed by police. The teachers or principal had dealt with the boys’ disagreement by bringing in the police.

    I wonder if the kids now have felonious assault records that will cancel their Second Amendment rights when they come of age.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      earthsmith seems to feel cynical about the promise of any technology beyond that of the hunter-gatherer.

      Whats the real cost of shelter?
      So far, this shelter made by a 3d printer costs $55.

      Indeed, the problem is in the capitalist mind of man. When you walk out into the sun drenched beauty of a natural landscape, one of the most disagreeable and unnatural things would some guy running up demanding money for you to stand there on the land. You can make a dwelling for almost nothing and almost no labor, but some greedy guy wants a profit on your life. The taken for granted real estate scam will not be changing anytime soon, thus people will suffer

      Any level of detail and aesthetics will be possible

      with technology, you can change the vibe of humanity.

      • earthsmith earthsmith

        "earthsmith seems to feel cynical about the promise of any technology beyond that of the hunter-gatherer."
        That 100% correct.
        $55 so far. Who paid for scaffolding and obvious concrete drum pouring out material.
        Good for them. Not knocking positive ability to create change but will corporate earth allow this? For a minute yes.
        Kinda like solar..laws, taxes, fines and let's not forget politicians buried in the lobbyists.
        When they hand it over to refugees maybe? Will they do that? Palestinians? Who is worthy?
        Is the collective consciousness humble enough to put aside ego, race, religion? Quite the opposite.
        Time will tell.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          earthsmith, I share your cynicism on the state of mind of man. But you even disparage passive solar. Scaffolding is a part of any building project. 3d printing could use much less scaffolding. Cost of a printer can be shared among many dwellings.

          I applaud that you have taken your position so far…no wheel, no metals, no tools, no glass. But its strange you would permit fire. Other animals dont use fire (except some birds that use it to flush pray). Big swaths of soot come from cooking fires in Africa and blacken the snow fields of the north, the Himalayas, melting them
          This may have twice the climate forcing effect than Co2. Solar cookers would help significantly…a technology you scoff at

          • earthsmith earthsmith

            Code I never scoffed solar. As I have stated I love the sun…it makes me happy, to see it, to feel it, to watch it feed the earth. As it has forever. Fires feed the earth too.
            Again Africa was cooking with fires all along, seems to me the planet was quite healthy until mans industrialized technology came along.
            The wheel? Circles they never end. Round and round we go.
            And just so your not confused I'm not scoffing at the wheel either. You know that.
            So where has "invented" technology got us? Hey let's move to Mars.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              earthsmith, I guess its the limits of the written word. I put quite a lot of effort into energy use, pollution etc and suggested passive solar and solar cooking and was pretty sure you scoffed at it. This was a couple days ago.

              Invented technology is just about everything, thats why you have to tell me where you draw the line in the sand. Stone tools, clothes, wheel, glass, steel, gears, levers, pulleys, ramps.

              Lets take clothes…I thought you scoffed at the machine that made cotton threads and clothes. Now perhaps you dont scoff at that pretty complicated machinery. But if you use just animal skins for clothes…then thats a big problem. You need a knife for one thing…metal? You gotta kill the poor animals, treat the leather and so on. What animal besides the hermit crab wears the carcass of another animal?

              Im saying if you base your ideology on primitive naturalism,…a very broad concept, you find immediate impasses. Its only an assumption of yours that fires arent producing problems, but studies show you are not correct. A large part of this is due to the sheer size of the human population. Intelligent design can go a long way to solving that problem

              • earthsmith earthsmith

                Native Americans didn't use metal. They killed animals. Ceramic is very very sharp.
                The universe did not conspire to build nuclear power plants because it was going to save humanity…to cheap to meter.
                "A large part of this is due to the sheer size of the human population." Did technology allow this population?
                Did fires always destroy the earth as you say it is? Or was it only after technical advancements? Do you know?
                At what point in history has carbon based life not faced impasses? Always.
                But we didn't always decide to kill our planet at every impass we reached.
                I scoff at humans impass that they can not survive or can only proceed forward with more technology.
                I scoff at humans impass that economics based on commodities is how we will survive.
                I scoff at humans impass that intelligent design will somehow equalize imbalances.
                The earth isn't intelligent design? The human can somehow over come this intelligent design with intelligent design? Voodoo.

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  humans are part of the earth. Our intelligent design is part of, comes from natures intelligent design. We are nature, got our ideas from nature, make our stuff from nature. So I dont see your arbitrary demarcation suggesting only natures design, not human design is viable.

                  Again, primitive people still used, relied upon human technology. I take it you want to kill and skin animals with obsidian tools, and this is the optimum way forward for our species.

                  Indeed, much of human innovation disrupted the natural balance. Why not wood fires for cooking and heating? Why do you exempt that?

                  Man already was well on its way to deforestation of europe 1000 years bc. That was before the explosion of our population. Now we have cut down half the trees. The huge population of third world countries uses this wood for inefficient combustion. Heating and cooking. Millions of people die from this, as I have linked before.

                  It appears to me that you hold to cherished ideology but didnt think it through. 'Natural' is a good benchmark, but one must decide what natural really is and what its impact really is.

                  It was natural to not have birth control. Thats a human invention. Therefor it would be entirely natural to have unchecked reproduction of the species. True, we would naturally die out sooner

                  • DUDe DUDe

                    "It was natural to not have birth control. Thats a human invention."

                    Code..if i may..we are the only species that broke free from the total Earth-Life's checks and balances..and therefore NEED to take it on ourselfes to moderate our numbers..if we wanne play gawd..comes with responsibilities..what a ugly word..threathening our "freedom" lol

                    What a fight within our species that alone is..birthcontrol..and the arguments against do not exactly come from natures checks and balances that is verifyable..the biggest chunk of humanity has ripped itself totally lose from all real logic..and i don't consider those dangerous nutty's a result of natures wishes..

                    Either accidently one reach to far in the diversification process backfired..or something "intervened"..

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Being eaten is a prime method of nature to limit populations. Starvation is another. I suppose a life in super connection with nature might limit ones libido…or how one directs it…

                      I know rats and rabbits will procreate endlessly until a deadly force intervenes

                  • earthsmith earthsmith

                    Code, did I ever say that humans aren't intelligent design? I mock that they claim intelligence.
                    Yeah the limit of words eh.
                    ". So I dont see your arbitrary demarcation suggesting only natures design, not human design is viable."
                    Please explain which part is arbitrary…my intelligent design brain needs to know…?
                    So, so far human design has done better and than nature?…I know it came from nature not humans musing how they can out do nature… right?
                    "It appears to me that you hold to cherished ideology but didnt think it through"…what haven't I thought through?…that human technology is really only nature manifesting itself and decidedly killing itself?
                    Please explain my intelligent design brain must be lacking…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      earthsmith…electricity is going to remain in human lives…how do you want to generate it? There is research on organic solar cells. Solar cells could be made from wood

                      ". So I dont see your arbitrary demarcation suggesting only natures design, not human design is viable."
                      Please explain which part is arbitrary…?

                      Since man is one and the same as nature, therefor mans designs are natures designs. We are a unique design path of nature in that we use these cognitive methods. Its a huge megalomaniac presumption to think we are anywhere near the intricate masterpieces of natures non anthropocentric designs…we cant even make a grape. On the other hand we have gone faster than the speed of sound…we have some stronger materials, better airfoils, tires, and the list goes on.

                      "So, so far human design has done better and than nature?…I know it came from nature not humans musing how they can out do nature… right?"

                      Sorry I dont understand the question, but perhaps I started to answer it above. Animals exist in the world as vehicles. Amazing vehicles which surpass our design in intricacy, self replication, expressiveness, adaptability…yet our crude machines have exceeded the speed, distance, mechanical efficiency, range of operational environments, power. A tire is more robust than any animal that comes to mind.

                      Who designed the rubber tire? nature, via its ape-man…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      "…what haven't I thought through?…that human technology is really only nature manifesting itself and decidedly killing itself?
                      Please explain my intelligent design brain must be lacking"

                      You dont appear to have though your presumption that the hunter gatherer stage was the penultimate sustainable human condition and that all technological advances since then are a detriment.

                      The fire issue was a case in point, and I gave you studies that show how disastrous this is. But I think you should have intuited it right away. Sooty low efficiency burning and culling of trees. It takes minutes to destroy with fire what took years to build by natures loving interconnected growth process. I know fire is a part of the natural ecology.

                      If 'natural' is your standard of acceptability, then its natural for humans to melt the Himalaya snow with soot from wood stoves.

                      If our presumptions…say these broad concepts of 'natural' or the economists 'free market capitalism is the best' or ANY…'humans are superior' 'U.S. is best'
                      'this religion is the only way' etc etc cause us to have narrow views that exclude introspection, than these presumptions are impediments to understanding

                      Personally, i would rather you didnt kill any animals, be it stones, arrows or bullets

                    • earthsmith earthsmith

                      Code why is it you would prefer I don't kill animals if they are only vehicles that we have somehow already surpassed with crude technology since man is one in the same as nature. Is it a belief.
                      Is eating animals a technology…where would we be?
                      Would the presumption that "modern" technology is better than "primitive" technology be an issue if animals weren't just considered vehicles?
                      When I do eat meat technology I give respect. I don't wantonly throw hotdogs and burgers down my throat.
                      It is rather presumptuous to think animals are just vehicles. If this is the case Fukushima serves them well! Is plant technology just a vehicle too? Plants don't understand? Insects? Humans?..where does the vehicle begin or end?

                    • earthsmith earthsmith

                      Anyway no amount of or form of technology will fix the human condition of its belief that it is superior because of technology. As you mostly point out. So my point is all else is mute and I will stick with my simple ways that in no way intentionally deceive, manipulate, or otherwise disenfranchise other life forms.
                      Electricity is not guaranteed in the future.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      the book 'secret life of plants' demonstrated what people intuitively felt for eons; plants are sentient, feel, and communicate. Ive heard that argument before…since plants feel, there is no ethical difference between cutting off the head of a cow or pulling up a head of lettuce.

                      In that case, we have no further grounds for communication. You misconstrued my statements about the design of animals. Didnt I make it clear that man has no mastery of living design…we cant even make a grape?

                      An inlet in Japan is red with the blood of dolphins. Its perhaps better if those who killed them did it with 'respect', but I think it doesnt diminish the horror for those being slaughtered.

                      Codes axiom; (man is sure) the extent to which someone is right is directly proportional to how closely their ideas agree with yours

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      Those dolphins, that bay.

                      Is there a need or a want?

                      Mankind is Earth blind…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      humans love to kill and animals and consume them. Its not a need, as vegetarianism is shown to be healthy and more resource efficient. Its a want
                      Check it out


                      appears to be a decrease…why?

                    • SadieDog

                      Not sure resource efficient has ever been a primary factor for any living thing’s diet.

                    • SadieDog

                      I imagine that most animals eat what tastes good to them. Is every animal or plant that kills another living thing to eat wrong to do so. Is an eagle evil for killing a fish, or a wolf immoral for eating a deer?

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      By default nature has made the creatures resource efficient.

                      No fore thought. It's just always today…

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      History will record it was all us humans this time.

                      Choosing to change Earth, with infinitely diverse consequences that we do not understand…

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      It's gonna be great.

                      Just have to keep the airlock doors shut.


                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      standard meat eaters argument; "Is every animal or plant that kills another living thing to eat wrong to do so. Is an eagle evil for killing a fish, or a wolf immoral for eating a deer?"

                      Therefor its not wrong to bludgeon a six year old school child to death and eat it, its not wrong to inject people with scorpion venom and tear them apart with pincers, its not wrong to slaughter puppies and kittens, not wrong to put live horses in meat grinders, after all thats what a lion is, a meat grinder.

                      I never said wrong, sin, evil…thats all in your head. A projection of your thought process. Im just saying I dont care to see my animal kin killed and consumed.

                      Of course animals do it…its a horrific sight. Just because rattle snakes have poison syringes doesnt mean you feel good about injecting people and pets or wild animals with neurotoxin and swallowing/masticating them.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      not that it would change anybodies mind, but Eating meat is an ecological disaster.

                      raising meat requires 160 times more land than vegetables, consumes a third of all raw materials and fossil fuels, needing ten times the fossil fuel input

                      Producing a single hamburger uses enough fuel to drive 20 miles and causes the loss of five times its weight in topsoil. Meat requires 13 lb of feed for a quarter pound hamburger.

                      Every kilogram of bovine meat requires 15,415 liters of water to produce.

                      Livestock production causes a huge deforestation problem, produces a lot of methane, if anyone is thinking about greenhouse gas… Cattle causes a loss of biodiversity.

                      a report from the Worldwatch Institute says that “…the human appetite for animal flesh is a driving force behind virtually every major category of environmental damage now threatening the human future

                    • earthsmith earthsmith

                      Again the natives of the of North America DIDNT raise meet they hunted it. They used fire WITHOUT having problems with deforestation and melting soothed snow in the Rockies. They gathered wood that was already fallen.. hello anybody home?
                      The Europeans with there BS religion and thoughts of superiority brought that grossness with them. Same goes for the Japanese and their BS Imperial past.
                      That planet was fine. Until the industrial juggernaut began.
                      So I'm supposed stop living NATURALLY because the average human is to stupid to realize what has happened or is happening. Bullshit!
                      I'll side with native Americans every time.
                      You can go live in your 3D printed house with a solar cooker and show the world how just it is. I'll stick with my crude ways… I mean if that is ok with you Code.
                      Earthsmith axiom: Human destroyed the earth with its inventions not the universe.

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Hear! Hear! Good for You! 🙂

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      No machines, no guns, no solar panels, no fires, no homes or massive cities…no creature comforts.

                      How can this be?


                      Yes, run run, Wild Life! wmv – YouTube
                      Video for herds of wild animals youtube▶ 3:52

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      yeah, earthsmith, I agree, nature is soberingly brutal, so why not be a part of it? In fact, do as the animals do, eat your meat raw..the aztecs knew what they were doing when they ate a still beating heart

                      We were just saying its difficult to feel empathy for those you arent closely related to. Indeed, I dont care if you hunt dear and people with your knife and eat them. But if its an animal or person I know, Im coming after you with a bow and arrow. Thats only natural, Im sure you agree. Serious and deadly actions result in serious and deadly responses…

                      Again, Im with you, ape man is a meat eating savage with a powerful killing instinct, nothing wrong with it.

                      Anyway, as I explained, you are wrong about deforestation. It was already a problem 1000 years before Christ. Think Ive said that three times already. Your beliefs are ASSUMPTIONS, but have at it. The world is on a road to utter misery, the little bit you add by gutting my friends is small potatoes.

                    • earthsmith earthsmith

                      Code was deforestation a problem in North America a thousand years before Christ? No.
                      As I have stated religion led to man's belief he is superior which led to all these things.
                      The native Americans understood sustainable living and payed close attention to it.
                      It is your ASSUMPTION that I'm wrong. Machines invented by man led to unsustainable cohesion with the world around it.
                      I'll put my bow and arrow against yours any day or I can use a knife or my bare hands makes no difference.But it won't be a bullet.
                      It is your ASSUMPTION that animals aren't my friend or I don't have a lot of empathy for them … you have no idea and that is fact.
                      I was a vegetarian for 22 years but so what. It seems you ASSUME if everyone was a vegetarian the world be safe and saved.
                      But hey go ahead with your ASSUMPTION

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      earthsmith, this conversation goes nowhere. A typical thing. I assumed you 'care' for animals, in your way. I assume you would think twice about choking your dog to death, gutting and chewing him up.

                      You have said a few times it is religion that caused man to feel superior and thus cause environmental destruction. I agree about this influence, but pointed out a few times that deforestation was a problem 1000 years before christianity. For my taste, your thinking is narrow, based on unqualified assumptions. The root of ape mans psyche predates and PRODUCES religious sentiment, power and control freakiness

                      You needn't pit your bow and arrow skills against mine since I have no desire for a contest. That comes out of your own psyche. Its easy to see why someone would dispatch you if you killed their beloved animal or spouse with your oh so time honored weaponry. It is you that took it to combat machismo with your 'nobility' proviso of no bullets.

                      I dont share your mental structure of right and wrong, what constitutes righteousness, feel good enthusiasm for primitive killing tools and so forth. If it came down to it, a bullet from a distance seems preferred, from a personal point of view. I guess you will be the one in leather buckskins and a hefty antler grip bowie knife, a few dead animals dragging behind on your travois

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      did native cultures have negative impact on the world around them? OF course. North American indians are no exception. Good and bad depend on what animals/persons/plants viewpoint you take, how big the species, and many other factors.

                      Indians converted forest with dense undergrowth into a landscape more of his liking. Fewer trees, less undergrowth, nice valleys, navigable riparian areas. This obviously wasnt a good thing for the animals that relied on untouched wilderness.

                      Wood fire is a very inefficient way to use solar energy. And thats exactly what it is. It burns plants and animals to death which hurts tremendously, the soot is not healthy and impacted the lives of indians negatively. Ive been to many an indian ruin with the black soot stains above

                      Indians were hunters and with their intelligence, they were successful in altering the landscape for their desires. This of course was horrific for the animals that were driven out of the forest and shot through with arrows. I dont agree those animals gave a shit about the hunters "noble" intention

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Indians liked open valleys next to forests with the forests cleared of undergrowth so they could hunt. This altered the ecosystem. Many insects, rodents snakes and larger animals burned to death in these fires. Its a horrible way to end your life..extremely painful and frightening. Many species depend on the undergrowth and old growth/dead wood that is consumed in fire. The indians drove the dear to the plains by burning their food so they could kill them easier.

                      sometimes the fires benefited some animals, other times and other animals no. Fire created conditions favorable to strawberries, blackberries, raspberries, and other gatherable foods. Native populations also caused deforestation, and prolonged intensive agriculture led to severe land degradation in some regions.
                      Scientists find evidence that Indian land use methods caused more frequent floods (Delaware valley).

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      unlike the more peaceful gorilla and orangutan, ape-man acts more like the chimpanzee, the baboon and hyena. We are ruthless killers who devour just about anything that runs for its life.

                      The good news is that the animal kingdom is full of ferocious killers so we feel contented we are not alone in the savagery. Indeed, it seems 'sporting' 'time honored' and never horrific until we accidentally shoot an arrow through a friend or a bullet goes in our thigh and out our kneecap.

                      There is a long-running debate over why woolly mammoths, giant sloths, mastodons, giant beavers and cave lions died out worldwide, some scientists theorizing that humans are to blame. 'Humans Doomed Caribbean's 'Lost World' of Ancient Mammals' After humans began populating islands in the Caribbean, native mammal species began to vanish from the region


                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      The Indians understood the ecosystems and lived within them allowing them to flourish..the white European invaders only saw money in their pockets.

                      The savages did not have brown skin..Shameful!


                    • earthsmith earthsmith

                      Code yeah blah blah blah more of the same. A typical thing.
                      Am I supposed care wether share my so called me at state of mind?
                      Like I said go build that 3D printed house and cook with your solar cooker and show the world you roar or Code axiom or whatever you want to call it.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      I have these quail…they are very devoted parents, the father stands guard as the little ones trail around, helped by the mom to navigate the rough terrain. The have several different types of calls. One of these birds has a hoarse voice, and Im amused wondering if the girls he is calling to think he is trying too hard.

                      Earthsmith, you may recall my ancestral heritage is head hunting. We have a rich culture. If you came around with your bow and knife and killed my quail, I would take my ancestral tools and roast you up.

                      Its not that I think killing birds is bad, or that I want to save humanity as you have suggested. On the contrary, in agreement with you, since all animals are sentient and killing is natural, we consider it a rich part of our cultural heritage.

                      We honor the kill just like you do. In fact our elders explain that certain souls get locked into bodies that have stupid brains and it is service to release the souls from this prison.

                      We have various rituals and songs to honor the person..including head shrinking, which confers a great power. You would know this if you ever visited an anthropological museum and were close to these shrunken heads

                      My native ancestors lived in harmony with nature for untold centuries. They knew how to use fire to bend the world into an anthropocentric paradise. They werent wasteful…

                      You might wonder, since Im vegetarian…but dont worry, we dont waste the meat. We will feed you to our dogs cats and birds.

                    • earthsmith earthsmith

                      Yes of course it is you and only you with ancestral ties…lol!
                      Lived in harmony with nature? Of course your ancestors fires where ok and didn't do harm only everyone else.. of course Code
                      I wouldn't expect less.
                      You would have to catch me first and you are not up to the he task.
                      And of course it is only your ancestors that don't waste of course of course it is only Code that can know.
                      Funny how you think you can be the only one some how that knows best because you knowz

                  • earthsmith earthsmith

                    What should I kill animals with?

                  • earthsmith earthsmith

                    Is cadmium used in solar panels? But watch out for fire
                    Just thinking through.

                    • "Is cadmium used in solar panels?"

                      Great thought earthsmith…

                      If we change to so called renewable energy but create a myriad of poisons in doing so we are only robbing peter to pay paul…

                      New batteries are a great thing but in reality the manufacturing and disposal processes may be as bad as nuclear for our health.

                      All the renewable energy sources in the world won't help us if they produce mass pollution to make and dispose of.

                      Pollution free energy that produces large amounts of pollution in manufacture and disposal?

                      Wow there's the real double edged sword to consider.

                      Here's another…

                      The cold fusion debate…

                      They say that cold fusion produces no pollution but then how do they test to confirm that cold fusion actually occurred?

                      They test for tritium in the water…

                      That kinda blows the whole idea of cold fusion not producing any type of pollution huh…

                      I guess the guys studying clean energy and looking for mass funding to create a pollution free energy source don't consider radioactive hydrogen as a pollutant?

                      Cold fusion as a clean power source is a fairy tale.

                      So are renewables if they produce too much pollution to make, maintain and dispose of.

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      Maybe we could switch to small modular reactors.

                      They have produced very little pollution and have not harmed the environment. They have taken very little financal support so far.

                      Seems like a viable energy source…

                    • SMR's? Well smaller doesn't really say better or safer.

                      And I see some problems doing that…

                      First you will have more of them scattered all over the place. That doesn't bode well for security… If a design flaw turns up after 20 years you have more problems than we have now just from the sheer number in operation.

                      Second you have more potential exposure points from refueling procedures and transportation of both new and spent fuel…

                      So if you have these thing operating 5 or 6 to 1 over one large reactor you simply increase the odds of a smaller accident and there for the number of potential accidents would also increase.

                      Where are you going to store the waste? Are you going to store it onsite as we do now? Or are you going to haul it around on our roads every 24 months. Huge problem from a safety and terrorist standpoint.

                      Then there's the design that has been so plagued with problems Westinghouse filled for bankruptcy with the AP-100 being cited as the cause.

                      So I don't know but I'm thinking more is not better even if they are smaller and cheaper to build.

                      And the cooling in the event of a problem is listed at 7 days. So it doesn't cool itself as many have been promoting, it just prolongs the time till meltdown during a blackout from a few days (as in fukushima) to a week without intervention.


                    • Jebus Jebus

                      That's a good answer and now you are down to what to do as an energy source at the scale that exponentially increasing numbers of humans seem to need?

                    • The AP-100 The worlds safest reactor?

                      That's like saying you have the worlds safest rattlesnake…

                      And if they build them smaller and cheaper there will be many times the number we have in operation now.

                      A terrible idea from both a safety and security standpoint.


                      Time to meltdown after a blackout?

                      7 days so they have increased the time to meltdown by less than a week. If a current reactor melts down after 72 hours and this one can go 7 days in blackout, that's only a 96 hour increase. Not much to really brag about if you ask me…

                      The containments aren't as robust and the refueling cycle is much shorter at only 24 months.

                      And you will need 4 times as many scattered out all over the place…

                      That's a odds increaser on sudden problems and on the likelihood of a sudden problem too…

                      Economies of Scale and Catch-22s:


                      Here's a good pro and con article:


                    • Jebus Jebus

                      A note about cadmium. We used to, before it was outlawed, spray cadmium compounds on our golf course greens and fairways to combat fungi like red thread.

                      Thinking of it locked up in a solar panels manufacturing composition, with acceptable recycling tecniques, is not a level seven or an oil spill…

                    • I like the small natural gas plants that can be throttled up and down on demand with solar and wind power tied into a small modular grid that is able to share excess power with the adjacent grids.

                      Smaller blackouts, shorter duration of a blackout and better safety and security for the power grids.

                      So smaller grids with a potential to share power load but also can remain independent in the event of a problem.

                      Use clean natural gas and renewables until the efficiency technology can catch up.

                      Eventually the Nat gas plants would be used only rarely with better housing and construction, led lighting and more efficient AC, hot water and entertainment systems.

                      Down the road we won't even need the power plants and not going with ANY nuclear is key!

                      Then we won't have toxins deadly for millennia and there will be no potential terrorist threats and/or bomb proliferation from a increase in nuclear energy byproducts.

                    • "A note about cadmium. We used to, before it was outlawed spray cadmium compounds on our golf course greens"

                      Yea I hear ya, We used it too as well as iron and I even used malithion and 24D (agent orange relative)…

                      Not any more, but someone somewhere is using all those things as we speak because they are there and are cheap.

                      The only thing about solar at this time is the toxins produced in manufacture of panels and batteries (especially batteries) and recycling of the old units.

                      While you may can control the manufacturing process and disposal to a degree…

                      …The recycling is the biggest variable and the real danger down the road.

                      Remember when the power companies started practically giving away CFL light bulbs?

                      Touted as a energy saver?

                      Well those bulbs are now finding their way into our land fills and it's a ecological disaster of amazing proportions!!!

                      Mercury will now be in our water table that should have never been there because LED's already existed but were too expensive at the time… The CFL people knew their days were numbered and used that as a excuse to flood the market with them knowing full well they would be polluting the water table in the entire country in a few short years.


                      So I am totally in favor of solar! Just has a ways to go in efficiency and safety from a toxins produced standpoint.

              • DUDe DUDe

                What animal besides the hermit crab wears the carcass of another animal?

                Does this count ? sry j/k couldent resist..:)


                • earthsmith earthsmith

                  Humans are intelligent design…lol

                  Did this intelligent design get to have a say "technology"?
                  But you are right Code….they sure could use it now.

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    indeed, if we had relied on the technology of passive solar, photovoltaics, wind and other technologies that substitute for the toxic chemical industries, the killer whales wouldnt be going extinct. Wood fire and obsidian tools was not the answer

                    I think its a tragedy that indigenous cultures still kill those beautiful animals. Stuck in their normalcy bias, and nature suffers

                    • earthsmith earthsmith

                      I would say imperialistic cultures led to over grossness especially when attributed to pride and religion.
                      Most indigenous peoples understood the balance of existence until they where consumed by Imperialism, whether it was forced or they bought into the debt game that would make their life better or easier.
                      Gotta feed the people.
                      Did populations explode because of technical advancements?
                      Or was it a belief in religion?
                      Will robots be religious…what kind of laws will exist?
                      Can robots overpopulated the earth?

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      We should understand how nature operates..distributing all kinds of energy truout a balancing cardhouse of symbiotic balances without ever losing its coherence/selfcontrol and at the same time expanding/assimilating/converting more matter in to the biomass , perpetual diversion makes that possible..

                      and evolve our technollogy from the ground up with the first goal being to fit in as neat as possible..shunning away from developments who's damage can not be reversed , waste that can not be made bio-degradable etc..

                      A far cry from what we have to use now to stop the most severe bleeding first..and its not even sure "we" (the result of the fight for critical mass between the knuckeldragging speed junks who dismiss the wall in front of us ALL put there on our actions by the laws of biology and those that beg to differ) are willing to use , in time , what we have now..but if we do ofcourse still better then nothing..

                      But as soon as we have the luxury if ever..doubtfull really..we should make a brand new "compass" first..based on reality..not wishes first..

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      Time to make room..goodnight ENEnews..stock..even you GOM..and those not here ..:(

                      "From Hank to Hendrix" (With Lyrics) Neil Young


  • DUDe DUDe

    sry if its a repost..

    Doctor warns world about “chemtrail lung,” a new health epidemic causing brain and lung problems across society

    The existence of chemtrails used to be a topic of debate, but they are now being more widely acknowledged by experts like meteorologists to scientists. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to deny that they exist as more and more people are coming down with illnesses related to chemtrails.

    When TV host Rachel Reenstra had trouble overcoming a persistent cough, accompanied by aches, pains, and fever, she visited a doctor. After chest x-rays revealed a type of bronchitis, she was given antibiotics, which only seemed to make her feel worse.

    Her doctor told her that lots of bacterial infections are going around, and when she asked him where they are coming from, he told her the truth that many doctors wouldn’t dare reveal to their patients: Chemtrails are at the heart of widespread lung problems right now.

    Nearly everyone on Earth breathes in unsafe air

    • Here in central AZ over the past week we have been under a high ozone alert. It stretched from Phoenix east all the way to where I live some 65 miles away and it isn't even summer yet. Phoenix and the surrounds are poisoned, plain and simple. The under-reported state of the air quality is dangerous. It isn't just chem-trails or ozone or what have you. It's the blending of it that is scary. Ozone causes a "sun-burn" to form on the inside of your lungs. Turning your lungs into leather. Now dump in the rest and what do you get? It would be interesting to find out your blood chemistry if you live under these conditions. Think your brain isn't effected? To clean your indoor air from ozone grow the plant "pathos". They usually come in hanging baskets but they prefer to be draped over things for more support. They gobble up ozone, one of the few plants that do.

      "…breath deep, the gathering gloom, watch lights fade from every room…" Moody Blues.

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        Taffy, I feel the effects…a long term suffocation. Its very depressing

        • I have to use 3 inhalers and massive amounts of script and OTC shit just to breath. It sucks. I've a long history of suffocating in the desert. According to the doc's. I'm to live above 5000 ft. and I have been trying since 09 to get there and it just hasn't happened. Flagstaff looks sooo gooood from here :-(((

  • DUDe DUDe

    Native Youth
    Teachers should never tell a Native student to 'just get over it,' minimize indigenous genocide, or perpetuate stereotypes

    American Indian and Alaska Native students remain a very special and uniquely vulnerable population, often suffering from educational experiences that either fail to serve them adequately or that cause them to feel alienated, invisible, or unsupported. Teachers who serve Native youth must be cognizant of the unique needs of indigenous students, and their communities. Teachers who serve Native youth must also be willing to examine their preconceived notions of Native Americans, and then make the necessary adjustments in order to give Native youth a meaningful education that they deserve and need.

    1. DON’T ever overlook students’ indigenous identity, or attempt to see them through a “colorblind” lens

    2. DON’T speak of Native Americans as a people of the past

    3. DON’T teach stereotypical lessons like Thanksgiving

    4. DON’T use stereotypical language to describe Native Americans or Native American culture

    5. DON’T deny or minimize indigenous genocide

    6. DON’T dismiss Native students’ emotions as they relate to history, racism or controversial issues

    7. DON’T ask Native American students to speak for their race

    8. DON’T assume that they aren’t Native American based on their name, or physical appearance

    9. DON’T ever suggest that they should be less of who they are, forget the past, or become more mainstream


      • Thank you for this very important posting, at least to me it is. But then again I see it from a different angle, an altered state. A different history.

        • DUDe DUDe

          Stunningly beautyfull work Taffy..

          • Thanks DUDe…it's all for free, use what you will.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              Taffy, Im still interested if you think the indian reservation borders should be opened for immigration by Mexican, Canadian and U.S. citizens

              • I have often thought of approaching the Navajo Tribal Council and asking if I could immigrate. How's that for a non-answer? The whole thing is a mess. Under some situations natives can't even sell their own house's on the Rez. Open borders? How about free and open lives first?

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  Taffy, as you know, I had a dream to live on native indian land too. I cant even fly a toy glider on their land as I found out. I wish you would admit that the idea of an open border for native indians is similarly problematic to an open border for countries. We like the ideal, but the reality is different.

                  Many people dont like people from muslim countries flooding western Europe. The cultures clash. Brigitte Bardot trialed and fined for disliking what happened to France.

                  Saudi Arabia is not taking those immigrants. Why not? The flow of people is dictated by MONEY, not humanitarianism. If countries were humanitarian, they wouldnt be bombing, destabilizing and ignoring human rights issues

                  • I admit it, yes it is problematic as you say. This is one reason for no borders, in my simple mind 🙂 I find it interesting, this concept of transcendence that moves me from being a dumb white dude to just a man without a home. I see shades of gray while others see territorial histories. I have no use for national flags, borders or walls. Others do and some of those things and people's I respect.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Taffy, even your personal space could be invaded…a person or cop in your dwelling, a rattler in your sleeping bag or scorpion in your shoe.

                      Population growth is a big reason this question of borders is problematic. If the face of the earth was 1000 times as large, with 1000 southern californias and Italian alps, and mankind was 1/100000 as large, there wouldnt be as much fighting over territory.

                    • Invaders…since I invaded my apartment I have been stung by 3 scorpions and have killed half a dozen more…seems with over population humility goes out the window?

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      after seeing an alarming decrease in insects, birds and scorpions after fukushima (no proven connection) I was actually happy to see the return of some scorpions. But we havent returned to the population pre fukushima

                      I cant think of an indigenous culture that is happy about letting people onto their space.
                      Everywhere around this sorry globe, you see police in Darth Vader outfits, controlling the people with threat of death. They like to kill, its a human/cops kind of thing


                      Even you are not welcome in certain south phoenix parks…heck parks everywhere

                    • Funny, South Phx. I grew up in Sunnyslope and at that time it was feared more than South Phx. My brother drove around in his 56 Chevy with the message painted on the trunk, warning-the local Police are armed and dangerous :-). That was in the 60's mind you. The mind of the Mob has always interested me, that and the mind of the True Believer are some scary peeps.

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      "..after seeing an alarming decrease in insects, birds and scorpions after fukushima (no proven connection).."

                      The comments here back then from all corners combined with personal observation there is no doubt in my personal mind it is one and the same..

                      It was global and happened in a very short time..after Fukushima (the extreme harsh lesson that still wassent enough)

                      The soil and bio-sphere in general was already semi-sterilized/severely damaged from our other mistake aka decades of chemical agriculture..and tig others too..

                      And then a blanket of the most toxic substances in the Universe spread out over it..and it seems logic to me..that the smaller one is , the relative bigger a particle of said substances looks..or lets say , the amount of direct damage it can/will do..

                      Poor bacteria , all life depends on you..the basic building block worker.

                      But you are so small..and our ego so big..and its disorders so severe..and you don't speak just do the mandatory maintenance..for your humble share you get out of it..

              • LOL indeed, nice sounding theories often harshly break down when exposed to simple thought experiments.

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  thought experiments only work if one is willing to change long standing beliefs

                  • Ah code, you are pushing the truth on logic. If long standing beliefs are correct, there is no need to change them to conduct a proper thought experiment.

                    In fact, even with incorrect long standing beliefs, but proper logic, thought experiments also work just fine.

                    stock out

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      stock, I meant that if you do a thought experiment with an unchangeable bias, you either wont believe the conclusion or it wont impact you.

                      For example, we were just discussing meat eating. One can do a huge thought experiment on all aspects of this, from what it feels like for cows to be raised and slaughtered, to the ecological impacts, imagining all the deforestation, and water pollution, the different feel between having a freezer with dead carcasses in it or not. And in the end, people wont change their position one millimeter.

                      So I ask, why make thought experiments at all if one isnt willing to be changeable?

                    • Say What? Ones opinion will be changed by a logical thought experiment, if the data and outcome warrant it.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Ha! thats what you think 🙂

                      Lets put it to the test. Imagine abolishing usury and the profit motive and instead basing a society on compassion, generosity, free collaboration, free use of the commons, personal use of the means of production, and moral maturity. Not unlike an ideal family scenario.
                      No real estate deals, no profit margins, no sales techniques, no art of the deal, no investment profiteering.

                      We have seen that this results in a huge reduction of burden on the public, yet, you consider it an incredulous idea and wouldnt think of it anymore than you would consider becoming liberal

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      "Not unlike an ideal family scenario."

                      Very important point in that..and capitalisme turns/violentlyforces humanity to behave/percieve in competition to death with eachother , with itself , the "ratrace" , and as above so below , the "armsrace"..

                      The absolute extreme opposit of a mandatory condition to be able to "fit in" neatly..


            • DUDe DUDe

              Oops sorry i forgot to was ment as a compliment..
              blushes.. :mrgreen:

        • Taffy, from your link —-funny how the first point of section 1 of the great message is to "stay away from Whiskey or Rum"

          I guess some stereotypes of Indians weakness for booze may be based in reality.

          I wonder of the DNA testing of modern American Indians (as opposed to the wiped out Woodland Indians) compared to "asians"

  • Trump’s War on the Poor

    By Paul Krugman

    “,,,Still, we need to keep our eye on the ball. The perks many Trump officials demand — the gratuitous first-class travel, the double super-secret soundproof phone booths, and so on — are outrageous, and they tell you a lot about the kind of people they are. But what really matters are their policy decisions. Ben Carson’s insistence on spending taxpayer funds on a $31,000 dining set is ridiculous; his proposal to sharply raise housing costs for hundreds of thousands of needy American families, tripling rents for some of the poorest households, is vicious.

    “And this viciousness is part of a broader pattern. Last year, Trump and his allies in Congress devoted most of their efforts to coddling the rich; this was obviously true of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, but even the assault on Obamacare was largely about securing hundreds of billions in tax cuts for the wealthy. This year, however, the G.O.P.’s main priority seems to be making war on the poor….
    ” Trump and his friends aren’t punishing the poor reluctantly, out of the belief that they must be cruel to be kind. They just want to be cruel….

  • DUDe DUDe

    We ARE making a difference..over and out..

    EU agrees total ban on bee-harming pesticides

    The world’s most widely used insecticides will be banned from all fields within six months, to protect both wild and honeybees that are vital to crop pollination

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    "U.S. government used chemical weapons to murder children in Texas… does that mean it’s okay for other nations to bomb us?…
    The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) sent tanks into a Central Texas compound occupied by dozens of people, many of whom were children. The FBI proceeded to blast the private property with CS gas, which left more than 80 men, women, and children dead in its wake…
    The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) sent tanks into a Central Texas compound occupied by dozens of people, many of whom were children. The FBI proceeded to blast the private property with CS gas, which left more than 80 men, women, and children dead in its wake…
    “When the FBI used CS gas, banned in 100 nations for use even in war, against men, women & children – where was the outrage by the media?” "

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    " The Energy to Heal with Dr Jerry Tennant (Autism and Voltage)"
    Audio, long listen, haven't heard the autism part yet.

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