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  • Jebus Jebus

    The last time I mowed my circle, before people who believe I should mow my circle, contaminate my circle, I became aware that the mother rabbit living out in the field had her babies out front next to the house. So I am carrying baby bunnies back to where I last saw her in back before I kill one with the my mighty weedeater. But alas, fate would have it that after three more terrified baby bunnies saved over by the side of the house, I missed one. My killing machine did not. It was a moment in time I regret and as I carried it's still warm little body back to the field at the edge of my circle I paused for a moment to apologize for interfering in another circle of life while listened to the neighbors lawn screaming…

  • razzz razzz

    The point is being missed on Venezuela. Capitalists kept that country going until Venezuela's constitution with its free elections was disregarded by up and coming dictators. Even when countries have nothing else to offer there is always tourism of some sort until visitors begin getting murdered or diseased.

    Can't get more capitalistic than tourism with advertising usually sponsored by government, trinkets to be sold by local street vendors, food and lodging needed accommodate the coming and going money spenders and everything else in between. Create a product and they will come to spend.

    I guess McDonald's and other multinationals still survive there but they operate apart and separate (like a closed system) of local government.

    Can a capitalistic system survive within a dictatorship or even communistic social scheme? Doesn't look like it. Not even a military can survive in such a situation let alone citizens as they starve to death. If a local monetary system represents productivity then runaway inflation portends a downfall or at least a regime change.

    • slandermen Deadboy

      Someone could say that capitalist subterfuge and collusion is what lead to the current situation.

      Kinda like in some other countries.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      razzz, you maintain that Venezuela was kept going until dictators came in? I will totally challenge you on that with a time line of history and influencing factors

      No reasonable person will deny the effects of quite a long history of U.S. and international coercion, coup attempts, sanctions and bad press

      • slandermen Deadboy

        CS, SIN, bro. SIN. 60% in that case, but, holy shit, I still got 47

      • slandermen Deadboy

        "Venezuela is one of the world's largest exporters of oil and has the world's largest proven oil reserves at an estimated 296.5 billion barrels (20% of global reserves) as of 2012.

        In 2008, crude oil production in Venezuela was the tenth-highest in the world at 2,394,020 barrels per day (380,619 m3/d) and the country was also the eighth-largest net oil exporter in the world. Venezuela is a founding member of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC).[6]"

        Maybe this will make it more obvious, remember, Venezuela is right next to America, basically. Depending on amenable their government is to persuasion, that could be quite useful to a capitalist.

        I like how much Angola contributed though. Angola accounted for about 5-10% of "american" oil, yes. Oil that proudly american, straight from that state of angola. You should do a survey about that. Maybe have a world serious baseball competition including, finally recognizing them as an official part of north america.

      • razzz razzz

        I'll be interested in your opinion of the Venezuelan drug trade adding to the local economy there or not and if a drug trade is capitalistic or not. Reminds me of he opium trade in some parts of the world.

        Venezuela is no longer succeeding, why not? (Unless you count failure as a triumph.)

        • razzz razzz

          The US pays out a lot of foreign aid to distant locations like some remote island off New Zealand somewhere. Probably as an incentive to keep quiet about the nuke silo and US military installation built there to support it. Poland and Germany are probably in the same boat.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          Creating a distorted image of the humanitarian crisis and painting a picture of a country on the verge of collapse is part of a coup

          The coup plot against Venezuela has already been written and presented. In March of 2015, the Obama administration declared Venezuela to be an “extraordinary threat to the national security of the United States.”

          On March 2, 2017, during the first round of OAS talks, Shannon K. O'Neil (Latin America director of the Council on Foreign Relations, CFR) presented the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee with a portfolio of actions and measures to be taken by the United States if it wanted to remove Chavismo from political power in Venezuela.

          Since it was created, the council has placed a number of senior officials in positions to implement CFR strategy. These include Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, Madeleine Albright and Colin Powell, responsible for the war in Vietnam, Yugoslavia and Iraq respectively, and in the case of Powell, a major player in the April 2002 coup.

          Moreover, an honorary member and ex-vice president of the CFR think tank was David Rockefeller, the former owner of Standard Oil Company who has great interests and influence in Venezuela.

          financed by Citibank, JP Morgan

          Th CFR proposes three major political actions for the U.S. to execute a coup in Venezuela

          1. sanctions

          2. The…

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            Th CFR proposes three major political actions for the U.S. to execute a coup in Venezuela

            1. sanctions

            2. The United States must take a tougher stance within the OAS to implement the Democratic Charter against Venezuela, co-opting countries in the Caribbean and Central America to support this initiative. The CFR also proposes that the Treasury Department convinces China to withdraw its support for Venezuela

            3. leverage the human crisis and refugee flood to influence Brazil, Columbia and border mount a diplomatic siege against Venezuela


  • slandermen Deadboy

    When you for instance rape some part of the earth in the name of capitalism, systemically, I don't think it really matters what try and call it. I'm well aware a supposedly communist system can function quite similarly to capitalism, and that they have very similar hierarchies. Strangely, I think it's because capitalism isn't restricted to the concept of country, even, but often the benefits are restricted to so much less.

    I really don't see any intrinsic value in making money, considering all these capitalist countries currently, their capitalist corporations, the results on the environment, subjugation of people and animals. Yeah, it looks to me like, making money, is implicitly entropic.

  • razzz razzz

    Without money you are limited to barter or trading. With some form of money involved all three are basically a free market. Then enters profiteering leading I guess to capitalism. Taxes might enter the picture but that is considered overhead and built into pricing.

    Even under the suppression of communism, a free market is operating usually called a black market and that market could deal in anything i.e. necessities to weapons to lavish goods.

    • slandermen Deadboy

      "With some form of money involved all three are basically a free market."

      That kinda read like fallacious bullshit imo.

      So I looked at subsidies, taxes, regulations, enforcoement, legalities, preferred-partners, etc.

      Hey I even consider how resources are obtained and how that often involves repressing trade. Especially for poorer people.

      In what fucking world is a black market "free", considering shit like cartels, inflated pricing, supply chain, what's that word…uhm..fuck it involves like dictatorial druglords and gangsters and shit? I fucking forgot. But yes, I do see the parallel in legal "free" markets involving money and black markets.

  • razzz razzz

    Free markets are just that, free. You don't have to participate in buying, ex drugs or guns if you don't want them. If there is a 'want' someone will probably supply it. Did you include prostitution, the beginning of capitalsim?

    I think profiteering covered all the greed aspects, good or bad.

    • slandermen Deadboy

      Hey, it's not like I mention people selling their fucking souls often enough.

      "Free markets are just that, free."

      Haven't seen any of those yet.

      I'm not allowed to trade certain things, I may need permits, I may need licenses, inspections, etc. I may have to bribe policemen, I may have to debt collection, use the DEA to traffick my drugs etc. it's a logistical nightmare. You know what a bitch it is to keep track of all these inmates I've imprisoned and use for slave labour? They can't buy shit other than what I allow.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      razzz, are the billions in arms sold to the Saudis by Trump (What did he do OK it or broker a deal?) in this free market concept? Is the nuclear weapon and nuclear power plant market within the free market? Oil, and coal?

      You cant just say taxes are simply overhead, its a real outgoing cash flow, a lot of which is never seen again by the common person

      prostitution is not really capitalism until pimps enter the picture. But even there, capitalism doesnt exist separate from the over all system. The prostitute has to live somewhere, pay rent, buy food and probably pay some tax, and when you add this all up and look at how much she works just to pay the banker and wall-street guy, its something like 3/4 of her work day.

      • slandermen Deadboy

        "prostitution is not really capitalism until pimps enter the picture. But even there, capitalism doesnt exist separate from the over all system. The prostitute has to live somewhere, pay rent, buy food and probably pay some tax, and when you add this all up and look at how much she works just to pay the banker and wall-street guy, its something like 3/4 of her work day."

        People struggle justifying that shit, at the best coming up with massively flawed convoluted strawmen stockholm syndrome arguments, at the best. At worst, they come up with arguments that basically suggest people need money to do evil shit.

        Someone once asked me if I was a pimp, because I had so many rings. Yeah, well, something like 60+ moons.

        • slandermen Deadboy

          That actually happened. It's odd.

          • slandermen Deadboy

            Worst thing about that is, it happened when I played cards against humanity for the first time.

            Something I used to play with a few times, with a guy named "Liberty", from texas. Again, true story. Good times

            • slandermen Deadboy

              You used to be abel to find him on that site for the lunatics or some shit, maybe I can cane point you in his direction. Watch out for the sticky threads.

              If you ever do go there, remember this rule, this is the most important rule of everything ever. Everything you read there, except that which doesn't suck, which is about 0.1%, sucks.

      • razzz razzz

        CodeShutdown: As I see it the US wants to counter Iran since Iraq is in a multi tiered power struggle and basically leaderless, leaves Iran unchecked. Selling arms to the Saudis puts Iran on notice since the US will have to give arms support and advice via the many US bases already built and existing in Saudi Arabia. Yes the US arms manufacturers will make out like bandits but that is the fallout when trying to stabilize the Mideast.

        So far against Israel, Iran is impotent. Also keeps Russia in check or at least guessing. Still, the ongoing struggles in the Mideast are centuries old.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          "Yes the US arms manufacturers will make out like bandits but that is the fallout when trying to stabilize the Mideast"

          razzz you havent heard that there has been a plan in place, and implemented like clock work to destabilize the middle east?

          Can I be direct? Your sentence above reads like asinine reverse speak. You really think dealing arms to the Saudis, who have VERY bad human rights issues and quite strong fundamentalist Islamic drives is going to 'stabilize' the middle east…above giving Israel 10 million a day? You do know that Israel has a crazy shock and awe capability with enough nuclear arsenal to blow the world to kingdom come?

          You imply that Iran is the boogey man and the Sauds are the good guys? I wish I could find the words to respond to that. I can only think…hope…your naivete is simply due to not having read up on the situation.

          You should come to grips with the WTC demo for starters. But even if you were to buy into the mainstream conspiracy theory, you are left with some 15 of 19 hijackers coming from Saudi Arabia. Fund that regime to stabilize the region…what could go wrong?

          of course the middle east is unstable…your beloved capitalist ideology at work. Tribes have been killing each other since ape man swung down from the trees. But it was the imperialist bastards of richer countries that really ignited the fuckfest…and then the oil

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            1783 – 1912
            Europe Carves Up the Middle East

            In the midst of the French Revolution, Napoleon seizes Egypt in 1798, setting in motion century-long European scramble for the Middle East. Eventually, the British would take Egypt, Sudan and the small states of the Persian Gulf. France would seize Algeria and Morocco. And Arab resistance to European encroachment would prompt much bloody violence.

            1914 – 1936
            World War I and its Aftermath

            World War I sees Europe complete the seizure of the Middle East. The Ottoman Empire, an ally of Germany, is crushed by Britain and France. The territories of Arabia, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Palestine fall into European hands. The French and British draw the borders of the modern Middle East, and the League of Nations sanctions their domination of the region.

            1945 – 1973
            The Rise of the U.S. in the Middle East

            As World War II ends, the United States becomes the great outside power in the Middle East, with three main concerns: Persian Gulf oil; support and protection of Israel, founded in 1948; and containment of the Soviet Union. The goals prove difficult to manage, especially through the rise of Arab nationalism, two major Arab-Israeli wars and an Arab oil embargo

          • razzz razzz

            I never said you had to like it or even agree with a plan.

            Three or more fractions want their holy spot and it is in Israel. Makes the region unstable.

            Evil US empire you always refer to must have deserved 9/ll but now its not okay? Make up your mind. US allowed the dummies with visas flight training on US soil. Flight schools even reported them. Do you even know who you are mad at?

      • razzz razzz

        What is it then? A moral problem. A government regulation problem. A taxation problem.

        I prefer abortion, dope, even smoking and drinking as examples, treated as neither legal or illegal. Simply a choice in adulthood.

        The left acts like abortion is good for women. It's not. Damage is being done to threaten future pregnancies. After 3 or 4 of those procedures things become problematic. But a cheap thrill can't be burdened by the inconvenience of a lifelong commitment. But rather see a qualified doctor available for those that want it.

        Insurance companies have guidelines that are the best encouragement or discouragement for health issues, mainly through setting premiums dependent on past medical history. Seems fair to a point in averages.

        The majority of people do not need a sex change operation, have anal sex complications, suffer drug addictions, need an abortion so on and so forth but the media would like you to think so.

        • slandermen Deadboy

          razzz, why can't I get speciosa mitragyna seeds locally, but I can get derivative products of the seeds, at significantly inflated price?

          • slandermen Deadboy

            Holy fucking shit. I just read the wikipedia article on this upside down bullshit.

            "As of 2018, little is known of kratom's worth or safety as a therapeutic agent, since research into its use has been of poor quality.[8][9] In February 2018, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) stated that there is no evidence kratom is safe or effective for treating any condition.[6] Some people take it for managing chronic pain, for treating opioid withdrawal symptoms, or – more recently – for recreational purposes.[3][9] Onset of effects typically begins within 5 to 10 minutes and lasts 2 to 5 hours.[3]"


            I dunno what to say.

          • razzz razzz

            Not sure why you are asking me. I only know what comes up in a browser search. It is not your run of the mill hothouse item.

            'FDA Cracks Down on Kratom Products'

            "Fresh Seeds – The seeds must be under 2 days old for them to germinate according to reports. If they fell off the tree more than 2 days ago, they won’t work. So any seeds shipped from Asia will certainly be too old for the most parts. There are people who have been able to get some sprouts growing from older seeds, so there is a chance if you use a huge amount of seeds."

            The US DEA was grappling with banning the stuff probably because drug companies felt threatened and were applying pressure. The self medicating crowd is a distinct group that should just be ignored but money is the name of the game and can't be allowed to be infringed on by some distributors based out of the sunshine State. If says its a worthless product, what's to fear?

            If I were a drug manufacturer, I would be more worried about serrapeptase.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          razzz, you dont find it remarkable that every presidential campaign is running the same talking points; abortion, jobs creation, change from the old dysfunctional predecessor and tax breaks?

          you bought into the old tired rhetoric hook line and sinker, only to repeat it here. There will never be resolution of these differences…they like it that way. Go team, beat the stupid liberals/conservatives.

          "But a cheap thrill can't be burdened by the inconvenience of a lifelong commitment." I would like to say to all who wish to curtail the freedom of choice of the public; take your control trip and go home. Surgery and messing with biology is always damaging….take cancer treatment for example.

          But let me tell you, the cheap thrill of corporate pollution (including nuclear of course), agricultural poisons of big agribiz, and the cheap fast food, stressed out wage slave and everything fucked up about what capitalist ideals have railroaded civilization into becoming, which causes cancer, cant be burdened by the inconvenience of a lifelong commitment to balance and health independent of the 'maximize wealth, minimize cost' god that has the world in its filthy stinking pocket

          an open mind is a good start for everything

          • razzz razzz

            CodeShutdown: You are covering a lot of ground lately.

            The individual fools who only harm themselves are unavoidable and I am not to worried about them.

            It's the fools I detest as a collective who keep silent about the dangers of nuke poisoning or even modern medicine that allow the other fools to espouse failed technology and even promote it further.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              are you going to allow cancer treatment and deny abortion? Allow gun ownership and outlaw kratom? Make a prison camp of the U.S. (highest incarceration rate) and allow outright theft by bankers and legions of corporate/government criminals?

              frankly, I dont like the attitude. If I may say so, you are part of and promote an oppressive system that negatively affected my family and friends. You never had a cop pull a pistol on you for nothing? The control trip and wealth extraction is pervasive, despicable

              Ill say it again, tell your heroes to take their power trip and give themselves an enema with it

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Be afraid..fear is very profitable for the few…that generate and control that fear.

        U.S. Security Spending Since 9/11

        There is no country more honest or more righteous than the U.S.

        Capitalism breeds honesty at all levels of government and also in the private sector.

        Rumpster never lies..he is a very honest guy.

        Trump claims Iran's military budget has gone up 40 per cent since Obama's nuclear deal and says it's proof they weren't being honest

        Read more:
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  • razzz razzz

    'OH BOY! Iranian Regime Threatens to Release Names of Western Officials Who Took Bribes to Pass Nuke Deal'

    It was Rush Limbaugh pointing out Iran operating without sanctions per the now quashed nuclear deal, world conglomerates were free to trade and sell Iran big ticket items from Airbus and Boeing among other ventures.

    Of course Trump being a figurehead for domineering big world corporations, pulled the rug out from underneath those companies and they are screaming like babies about a potential loss of money without the Iranian agreement especially Euroland the home of Airbus and its mix of multinational part suppliers and builders.

  • razzz razzz

    'Daniel’s Interpretation of Nebuchadnezzar’s Dream'

    "…While many know that paper money was invented in China, what they usually do not know is that paper itself was invented in China. Ever since the invention of writing, people had been trying to come up with something easier to write on than clay tablets, sheep skins (parchment), or papyrus or. However, it actually took a very long time – some 3000 years to be closer to the notch in the timeline of human society. Paper was invented around 100 BC in China. In 105 AD, under the Han Dynasty emperor Ho-Ti, a government official in China named Ts’ai Lun was the first to start a paper-making industry. He made paper by mixing finely chopped mulberry bark and hemp rags with water. He then mashed pounding it flat. After pressing out the water and letting it dry in the sun, he discovered paper. To be fair, for centuries before people used the mulberry bark to make cloth. Consequently, Ts’ai Lun’s paper was a derivative of that process and turned out to be a huge success. With paper available, Buddhist monks in China began to work on ways of mass-producing prayers. By 650 AD they were block-printing prayers. Tang Dynasty (618-907AD) marks the birth of paper money…"

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    "There has been an increasing awareness documented in traditional medical literature about the role of the mouth in many diseases including cardiovascular disease. Now a study by Bob Jones has shown that there is a dental problem (root canal, bone infection, etc.) in the same acupuncture meridian as the c.ancer in 100% of 10,000 patients studied…
    Jones took washings from root canal teeth and found that the toxins from these washings would inhibit the binding of these proteins to DNA at a 5% dilution. The toxins from root canal teeth are one of the most toxic substances known! Of particular interest is the fact that they prevent cells from having their normal protection against becoming cancerous…
    George Meinig, DDS, the dentist who invented the root canal procedure has spent much of his life lecturing on why the procedure should never be done. His book is called The Root Canal Cover-up and is available from Amazon

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    "What Thimerosal Does to the Developing Brain
    In the United States, neurodevelopmental disorders have been on the rise for several decades. In 1976, about one child in thirty was learning-disabled, but by 2013, it was roughly one in six.1,2 Similarly, one in one thousand children had a diagnosed autism spectrum disorder (ASD) in 1988 versus about one in forty-five in 20133 and one in thirty-six as of 2016."

  • DUDe DUDe

    Protests Against Trump and Israeli Occupation as US Embassy Officially Set to Open in Jerusalem

    "By relocating its embassy to Jerusalem, the U.S. endorses and unlawfully legitimizes Israel's policies and measures that seek to undermine Palestinians' fundamental human rights."

    With the U.S. embassy officially set to open in Jerusalem on Monday after President Donald Trump recognized the city as Israel's capital last December—a move that has been decried by much of the international community and human rights groups as a "stark violation of international law"—Israelis opposed to the embassy move gathered in Jerusalem Saturday night to denounce Trump, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and the brutal occupation of Palestinian territory.

    In recent weeks, 47 Palestinian demonstrators—as well as at least two journalists—have been killed and thousands more injured by Israeli forces during anti-occupation protests along the Israel-Gaza border.

  • DUDe DUDe

    22 veterans kill themselves every day

    April 17, 2014

    More than half of the 2.6 million veterans from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars struggle with physical and mental health problems stemming from their service, a recent Washington Post & Kaiser Family Foundation poll found.
    Whether it's physical and mental health challenges, financial woes, or what some describe as the "daunting task" of re-assimilating to civilian life, the pressure can be overwhelming.
    In fact, 22 veterans kill themselves every day, according to a report released in February of last year by the Department of Veterans Affairs.

    "Far too often, we're leaving our veterans to fight their toughest battles alone," Senator John Walsh told CNN.
    The Democrat from Montana is the first Iraq War combat veteran to serve in the United States Senate. Last month he introduced legislation aimed at reducing the number of military veterans who commit suicide.
    "I think we do a pretty good job of taking that citizen soldier and making a warrior out of him, but we aren't doing a very good job of taking that warrior and reintegrating him back into society," Walsh said.

  • slandermen Deadboy

    Sari Harrar mentioned me in one of her books, 'Relief at last!'

    "She said, if your pain persists, have a Frank talk with your doctor or considering seeing a new one"

    She recommends petasites hybridus for migraines. I dunno what that is, these pharmaceutical companies have some strange names for drugs.

  • razzz razzz

    No one ever died from Marxism in this indoctrination piece found in 'Teen Vogue'.

    'Who Is Karl Marx: Meet the Anti-Capitalist Scholar
    The communist scholar's ideas are more prevalent than you might realize.'

    "…The Communist Manifesto is most usually the work of Marx taught in schools, and he is one of the most assigned economists in United States college classes. Many may not know that he also studied law in university. He authored three volumes of Das Kapital, which outlined the fundamentals of Marxist theory of capitalism and also organized workers through the International Working Men's Association, otherwise known as the First International. He was an editor of a newspaper that was eventually censored by the Prussian government for speaking out against censorship and challenging the government. His writings have inspired social movements in Soviet Russia, China, Cuba, Argentina, Ghana, Burkina Faso, and more. Many political writers and artists like Angela Davis, Frida Kahlo, Malcolm X, Claudia Jones, Helen Keller, and Walter Rodney integrated Marxist theory into their work decades after his death.
    So how can teens learn the legacy of Marx’s ideas and how they’re relevant to the current political climate? Teen Vogue chatted with two educators about how they apply these concepts to current events in the classroom…"

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      razzz hasnt read Marx yet

    • slandermen Deadboy

      Which is fairly impressive, perhaps it mostly deals with the philosophy there, rather than how it was used by, what are, essentially fascists. Though you could easily use that for indoctrination and associative demonization.

      Separating the philosophy from the systemic implementation (which is highly likely to be bastardized) is pretty good, imo. Analyzing the implementations, failures, problems, correlations, regardless of its name is probably an idea too.

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        Deadboy, this is WAY too complicated for anyone to comprehend;

        "Separating the philosophy from the systemic implementation (which is highly likely to be bastardized) is pretty good, imo. Analyzing the implementations, failures, problems, correlations, regardless of its name is probably an idea too."

        The few who can grasp the words will think you are being sarcastic or off the wall irrelevant

  • razzz razzz

    'How the Rich Get Richer!'

    "COMMENT: You always support the rich and never see what they do to the rest of us.


    ANSWER: You simply believe the propaganda of governments. The rich get richer by INVESTING in assets. They list Bill Gates among the top in the world. Do you really think one gets rich by making more per hour than the next guy? Wealth is created through assets – not wages. The NUMBER ONE suppressor of the people is all governments. I worked hard trying to get Social Security reformed and privatized when the Dow was 1,000 instead of 100% government bonds. I gave up. Ther are to many pension funds that are restricted to buying government bonds.

    It is not the rich that prevent others from investing. It is always the government. If you really add up what you pay in property taxes each year and subtract that from the value, you will quickly see that you probably lost money. When you sell the house, they do not count the taxes paid for decades as part of the cost.

    Wealth is created by INVESTMENT – not buying bonds. Who prevents the average person from investing? It’s not Bill Gates.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      which perfectly illustrates the blindness. If making money from capitalist investment in assets was equitable, I could give you 300 grand to buy your house and you could give me 300 grand to buy my house and we could retire on the return on investment.

      My more is your less is the simple equation beyond Armstrongs comprehension. No wonder though, since wealth extraction is his lifes work

      I know someone who teaches economics. Hes pro capitalist. He was explaining how stock trading heads off shortages and smooths instabilities.

      I said good, lets have the entire public invest (maybe via some tax system) and reap the benefit of the returns. He was shocked at the idea because then nobody would make any money due to the fact that the rise in prices to pay for the return on investment would exactly offset the return on investment. And therein lies the obvious problem. Your beloved system only benefits the investment class at the inevitable expense of the masses

      This is why you havent read any Marx or listened to Noam Chomsky. No need to let any light shine in the dark room one wishes to remain closed

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        to be more clear, let me rephrase

        If making money from capitalist investment in assets was functional, I could loan you a million and you could loan me a million and we could retire on the return on investment.

        Or as m a x l i pointed out, simply loan money to yourself (especially attractive if you can use fractional reserve principles) and just sit pool side with a martini and the babes as you rake in the returns

        The greatest thing Trump could do is have every person invest when they are born so they can retire once they get out of school (republicans are thinking that besides the government over reach, the idea makes perfect sense)

    • razzz razzz

      When Armstrong refers to government bonds and Social Security in the same sentence he means the SS fund is part of the general fund because congress takes the SS collections from payroll taxes and removes it to the general fund. In that process congress replaces collected SS money with government bonds, a sort of IOU. Not sure what the current rate of return is on government bonds, lucky if it 1%.

      As the Feds follow the markets and begin to raise % rates to compete in attracting money (needing more government bond sales), the private sector offers better returns on investments i.e. dividends, rising stock prices, etc., the government debt will increase as interest rates, they set, rise. A vicious cycle begins.

      Eventually the government bond IOUs will return less and less as an investment vehicle compared to regular stock markets investing (buying share in companies).

      In the long run, government will default on those (SS) US bond payments. Either outright or thru the changing value of the dollar. IOW, they will pay you back with dollars (or electronic credits) that are devalued (worth-less).

      More simply put, if government collects 1 million in new taxes, they then spend 1.5 million and government debt continues to grow no matter how much tax money is being collected because government has no spending limits.

      • razzz razzz

        So why doesn't congress take SS money and buy some shares in the DOW and leave those shares in the SS fund instead leaving IOU government bonds? Ask congress why.

        Interesting that the stock makeup in DOW holdings or S&P holdings are dynamic, meaning if a company that is included (listed) in DOW or S&P holdings does not perform well, price wise, it gets removed and replaced with another company more worthy.

        Over the decades for example, agricultural stocks get replaced with industrial stocks then industrial stocks get replaced with technology stocks, etc. to keep pace with the changing times. Or, all the losing stocks are replaced with winning stocks.

        You could see where SS holding stock markets shares could pay for itself and then some in the long run.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          "You could see where SS holding stock markets shares could pay for itself and then some in the long run."

          no. You cant issue stock to yourself and make money paying yourself dividends. The public pays for social security…a kind of savings account in theory. If you invest that money and put that investment return back in the SS kitty, where do you suppose the extra money comes from? Righteo, the people. Returns on investments come either from the prices of goods which reflect the cost of usury (investment returns), or exploitation of the commons…or natural resources and wage slavery.

          In simple terms, I, the public, cant loan money to a corporation which gets its profit from me the public and hope to gain a profit

          this is the …1,2,3, stupidity of the economic blather that seems to confuse one and all

  • Jebus Jebus

    Anyone or many can debate the past or current ideologies, political systems, monetary systems, ect.., to their finest points. But you are meerly modeling that object with conjecture by the unknown variables.

    Applying that model of conjecture always returns unknown results.

    Mankind does not understand what he loses when he creates his own set of values for the resources he removes from this planet for only his consumption.

    Your environment is not an ideology…

    • danger kitty danger kitty

      "Your environment is not an ideology"
      So true.
      It might be easier to grasp if people spent more time outdoors.

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        'It might be easier to grasp if people spent more time outdoors'

        so true, but it apparently doesnt work on golf courses

      • slandermen Deadboy

        It is indeed quite wonderful outdoors, the freezing embrace of the carcass of the earth. Like a death knell, a dearth. Callous blocks of concrete and glass, annoying sounds and lights, especially at nights. Vile stench in the air, plastic everywhere and thousands with an empty black stare. Sometimes, it feels like I'm hero in a demon's lair, at other times a zero with no flair, care stuck in some sort nightmare.

        • slandermen Deadboy

          I thought I could be witty, but that was kinda shitty.

          • Jebus Jebus

            Nice, it's the corner we are all in…

          • danger kitty danger kitty

            No worries, Deadboy. There's always another post…
            btw, things are just fine in my little piece of Oak Woodland. I manage it in the old way. Fire.

            • slandermen Deadboy

              danger kitty, how did you go about obtaining your own calming piece of the earth? Who and what allowed that?

              I'm wondering because:

              • danger kitty danger kitty

                Deadboy, I ran across a hand-written note on a bulletin board at a laundromat advertising acreage for sale. It was raw land so it was cheap, and I was a carpenter at the time.
                It was paid off by the time I was 35, and it had been the plan all along to live a self-sufficient lifestyle with low overhead. It hasn't worked out exactly as I planned, I had to pay for part of my land again, when my first wife bailed. But now, I'm at the point where I'm getting Social Security, which isn't enough to live well, but I only need to work 5 days a month to be at the level I was before Social Security. Another 5 days a month and I can build a new, better, rammed-earth house. Fireproof. My current house is a plywood Palace. But my fuel management has brought it through several fires.

                • slandermen Deadboy

                  Who did you pay for this acreage? How did you pay them? Do they also tax that land, how about their associates? What used to be on that land, or rather, who owned it? This social security you speak of, who provides that?

                  I forgot, who owns that land?

                  • danger kitty danger kitty

                    Lol, so many questions! I paid a monthly mortgage with money I earned as a carpenter/roof cutter. The county assesses property taxes. $700 a year.
                    There was nothing on the land but an old hermit cabin. Perfect. It was a private owner that had several 40 acre parcels, inholdings within a national forest which surrounds the property.
                    I paid the Social Security taxes, now the government is returning that to me. For now…

  • slandermen Deadboy

    What's a radical bullshit convoluted word you could use for indoctrinating idiots?

    Antidisestablishmentarianism comes to mind. It has classic hegelian hallmarks. Watch out Razzz, someone may think you're a radical fundamentalist .

  • razzz razzz

    How about they stop omitting facts to rewrite history as they want it to appear.

  • razzz razzz

    Could be the opposite of what is happening in Venezuela. If little rocket man had only said he was going to develop modular reactors for sale to Antarctica outposts…

    'Pompeo: US firms could invest in North Korea and Kim may get ‘security assurances'

    "Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said on Sunday that if North Korea agrees to fully dismantle its nuclear weapons program, the Trump administration will allow the American private sector to invest in the country.

    Pompeo also hinted that the US might assure Kim Jong-un he can stay in power after any deal…"

    No word about ending oppression, must be a minor issue when it comes to investing.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      strange Pompeo didnt tell Trump if he dismantled the U.S. nuclear weapons program of the aggressive imperialist nation, he would let Trump stay in power and China to invest in his real estate

  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    Codes self development tip;

    to develop social sensitivity and extend my patience, I count to three before calling someone stupid

  • DUDe DUDe

    From Australia to El Salvador to Vietnam, the Environment Is Finally Getting Its Day in Court

    April 24, 2018 — When the improper disposal of wastewater from the construction site of a joint shopping center and apartment complex threatened to contaminate hundreds of residents’ water in Sonsonate, El Salvador, activists and community leaders filed a lawsuit through the country’s specialized environmental justice system. In response, Lina Pohl, El Salvador’s minister of environment and natural resources, went to inspect the water. When she found signs of contamination, she ordered the suspension of construction.

    Using legal tools to report an alleged violation of the law might not seem groundbreaking. But in El Salvador, justice in environmental disputes has long swung in favor of rich developers with political connections rather than activists and citizens. So, in 2014 the Central American nation established three regional environmental tribunals to even the playing field in environmental disputes.

    “Historically, institutions in El Salvador have operated with lots of corruption. This is a system that breaks with that tradition of corruption,” says Salvador Recinos, specialist in ecological policy for the Salvadoran Ecological Unit (UNES), a non-governmental organization based in San Salvador. “With this court system, there is clearly a better chance of people in El Salvador having access to justice in these types of environmental cases.”

    Justice systems around…

  • DUDe DUDe

    Canada sued over years of alleged experimentation on indigenous people

    Class-action suit filed on behalf of thousands of people allegedly subjected to medical tests without consent in the mid-20th century

    Filed this month in a courtroom in the province of Saskatchewan, the lawsuit holds the federal government responsible for experiments allegedly carried out on reserves and in residential schools between the 1930s and 1950s.

    The suit also accuses the Canadian government of a long history of “discriminatory and inadequate medical care” at Indian hospitals and sanatoriums – key components of a segregated healthcare system that operated across the country from 1945 into the early 1980s.

    “This strikes me as so atrocious that there ought to be punitive and exemplary damages awarded, in addition to compensation,” said Tony Merchant, whose Merchant Law Group filed the class action.

    The lawsuit, which has not yet been tested in court, alleges that residential schools – where more than 150,000 aboriginal children were carted off in an attempt to forcibly assimilate them into Canadian society – were used as sites for nutritional experiments, where researchers tested out their theories about vitamins and certain foods.
    Canada confronts its dark history of abuse in residential schools
    Read more

    “The wrong here is that nobody knew it was happening. Their families didn’t know it was happening,” Merchant said.


  • DUDe DUDe

    "The Search Engine Is The Most Powerful Source Of Mind Control Ever Invented…"

    The opening panel of the Stigler Center’s annual antitrust conference discussed the source of digital platforms’ power and what, if anything, can be done to address the numerous challenges their ability to shape opinions and outcomes present.

    Google CEO Sundar Pichai caused a worldwide sensation earlier this week when he unveiled Duplex, an AI-driven digital assistant able to mimic human speech patterns (complete with vocal tics) to such a convincing degree that it managed to have real conversations with ordinary people without them realizing they were actually talking to a robot.

    While Google presented Duplex as an exciting technological breakthrough, others saw something else: a system able to deceive people into believing they were talking to a human being, an ethical red flag (and a surefire way to get to robocall hell). Following the backlash, Google announced on Thursday that the new service will be designed “with disclosure built-in.” Nevertheless, the episode created the impression that ethical concerns were an “after-the-fact consideration” for Google, despite the fierce public scrutiny it and other tech giants faced over the past two months. “Silicon Valley is ethically lost, rudderless and has not learned a thing,” tweeted Zeynep Tufekci, a professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and a prominent critic of tech firms.

    The controversial demonstration…

    • DUDe DUDe

      The controversial demonstration was not the only sign that the global outrage has yet to inspire the profound rethinking critics hoped it would bring to Silicon Valley firms. In Pichai’s speech at Google’s annual I/O developer conference, the ethical concerns regarding the company’s data mining, business model, and political influence were briefly addressed with a general, laconic statement: “The path ahead needs to be navigated carefully and deliberately and we feel a deep sense of responsibility to get this right.”

      A joke regarding the flawed design of Google’s beer and burger emojis received roughly the same amount of time.

  • DUDe DUDe

    Acknowledging sea level rise, Connecticut legislature passes sweeping climate change bill
    The bill would reign in coastal development and establish new pollution targets.

    The Connecticut Senate passed a sweeping climate change bill Wednesday, in a move that could push the state ahead of much of the coastal United States. The legislation centers on adapting to accommodate rising sea levels as well as setting new pollution targets.

    Senate Bill 7, “An Act Concerning Climate Change Planning and Resiliency,” passed overwhelmingly early Wednesday morning. In a 34-2 vote, the state senate agreed to adopt recommendations to reduce greenhouse gas by 45 percent below 2001 levels within the next 12 years, the Connecticut Post reported Wednesday morning.

    Assuming a sea level rise of nearly two feet by 2050 based on projections by the Connecticut Institute for Resilience and Climate Adaptation, the bill also updates pre-existing statutory references guiding building and development.

  • slandermen Deadboy

    Reviewing some of the crap posted here (mostly when I didn't post, recently), aside from the crap I've posted, I am more disappointed than I thought I would be. It seems reconciliation is a lost option and it appears I have a sudden sabbatical scheduled. Which is fairly convenient, considering the impending end of the world.

  • razzz razzz

    'Illinois to Impose 1% Property Tax on Top of Everything Annually for 30 Years'

    "…We are the economic slaves to serve the people who are supposed to be serving us. The Fed is proposing a 1% annual tax be imposed already on top of the highest property taxes in the country. They propose that will stay in place for the next 30 years. What they fail to recognize is that property taxes are a net loser for they are never considered as a cost when you sell your home. If you paid $100,000 in 1968 and sell it for $200,000 today and paid $2,500 on average per year for the past 50 years, you paid $125,000 in property taxes. Then the State and the Feds want their tax on the $100,000 profit since they do not count the taxes paid. This is not a very good deal…

    …Ihat means property values will DECLINE and the tax burden will increase on those left behind. Property taxes in the 3.5-5% level will devastate home values. The average person cannot afford those types of taxes on top of sales taxes, incomes taxes (state & federal) and expect to have any kind of reasonable life. If you can’t pay the property tax, then they confiscate it and sell it for taxes at whatever price it brings. Just has a friend who bought two houses that were valued at $70,000 each for tax records for $7,000 for BOTH!

    History repeats because human nature never changes…"

  • So the earth is flat? We didn't really land on the moon? The twin towers were intentionally blown up?

    Pathetic how when you put garbage into your brain it ruins it…

    Like a small child that wants to eat candy with cheeseburgers and fries for every meal, their parents wonder why there is something wrong? Most know better to start with (well some do at least)…

    So when you see a overweight 12 year old with no teeth you can kinda figure what's going on there huh… It's a nobrainer… But apparently the parents didn't know better or just didn't care huh…

    So eat brain candy lies for soap opera importance and your brain will suffer…

    And trust me when I say, you don't know anything the rest of us don't know other than it's all fake!

    Foolishness is to the brain as candy and fast food is to nutrition, and your brains will become a fake 200 pounds of worthless mamering flab after a while.

    Seek help, seek the truth and seek happiness instead of acting like you are in a cheap daytime soap opera.

    Sad what's happened to people these days…

    They just can't tell shit from shineola anymore…

    And will complain about anyone that does know truth and is happy even though…

    …real life is tuff.

  • slandermen Deadboy

    I have the coolest pattern on this door, looking at it from the right angle, it looks almost exactly like that playboy logo. I should actually take pictures. The most ironic thing is that it was the result of violence. My head attacked the door for some reason. I could never quite figure it out.

  • When you guys don't have anything better to do than blab about crazy crap…

    Fire up the old flash player and visit this site…

    ..These games are great brain training and allot of fun too…

    And hundreds more…

    • Oh and did I mention that it's free?

      Wowsers there's ya a conspiracy theory…

      Us free people are the problem huh… Enslave us with your wit and a flat earth (totally stupid waste of time) lie.

      Not thinking so…

      …ole conspiracy theorists.

      Time to fix that crap (totally proven crap).

      But I have the cure?

      Yepper… Don't buy into that.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    "39,139 comments to FORUM: Off-Topic Discussion Thread (Non-Nuclear Issues) — New as of January 2017"

    39,139. The NSA data storage computers are overheating, causing Kilauea to back up

    • Yea it's a shame that they ruined the fuku leaking thread…

      "Comment on Report: Massive radiation leak at Fukushima plant — Extremely high levels being detected"

      Is this the place to try to convince someone of some ridiculous (and proven stupid) conspiracy theory?

      Something needs to be done about that… Off topic is one thing, polluting a real topic about what's killing all life is the praddle of the irresponsible or a goal of the simply nefarious.

      Looking like some need a babysitter or a rubber room…

      Off topic? Have a ball… Put total crap into a topic that has real information about a real proven problem the average person couldn't find anymore?

      And blab about such crap as flat earth, the twin towers and other such nonstarter insane crap? It's simply a shame on all that do it.

      I'll tell ya, It's looking more and more like private postings are the future of this site, these self proclaimed expert conspiracy bloggers just keep proving the point.

      Thorazine anyone?

  • One day in the nuclear age

    They may understand our rage

    They build machines they can't control
    And bury the waste in a great big hole…

    Deadly for twelve thousand years
    Is carbon 14

    We work the black seam – Sting

    Documentary: The Battle of Fukushima:

  • What happened? Too early for ya???

    Too sleepy to actually get it???????

    It shouldn't have to be that way, but you people did it and made it that way…

    Scary part is ya still don't seen to know it.

    The Boys In Company C- First day at boot camp:

  • Trump condos worth $250 million pose potential conflict

    “…The potential for conflicts is exacerbated by Trump's refusal to release his tax returns or fully separate himself from his businesses, breaking with precedent set by presidents going back four decades. Since Congress passed the Ethics in Government Act in 1978, all six presidents from Carter to Obama established blind trusts or limited investments to assets like mutual funds. Trump has not….’

    Trump condos worth $250 million pose potential conflict

    • Gifts from foreign governments banned by the Constitution:

      “The Title of Nobility Clause is a provision in Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution,[1] that prohibits the federal government from granting titles of nobility, and restricts members of the government from receiving gifts, emoluments, offices or titles from foreign states without the consent of the United States Congress. Also known as the Emoluments Clause, it was designed to shield the republican character of the United States against so-called "corrupting foreign influences." This shield is reinforced by the corresponding prohibition on state titles of nobility in Article I, Section 10, and more generally by the Republican Guarantee Clause in Article IV, Section 4.[2],,,”

      Ethics in government is extremely important to preserve democracy and the Constitution.

    • It's the trumper trumpie that counts, it's not poisons or radiation or chemicals or gases killing our kids, tell us about nothin.

      Trump (excuse me it's actually President Trump) is apparently playing around with extra large boobies (not you huh doc) and is trying to do something you don't know about.

      So bash a US president continually because you don't like him, that's not the person you voted for who didn't win huh (seems like a spoiled rotten child) and tell us all what's wrong to find the person for the job… that (ya know vote) is that wrong?

      I like large boobies, I like small boobies, I just don't like boobs.

      You are bashing a sitting president. If you don't like him, show us a new candidate instead of acting like a child that just dropped a ice cream cone.

      Bashing is bashing, The next election is when? That's real America!

      Who do you like for the next election? That's a real American!!

      Oh hadn't thought about that one huh…

      ..too busy trump bashing to even think about who could be the answer to get it done huh.

      When's the next election?

      Better stop whining and start thinking about who to vote for.

      Who would you like as President instead of who do you hate as President?

      Come on doc give us the answer to your problems with the presidency.

      And then we can vote for them instead… Show us a real candidate.

      Can't do that whining about president Trump for 4 years and not paying attention to the rivals…

      • Typo…

        President (with a capitol P) Trump

      • Moral of the story?

        It's all just paper, if you had the priting press would you allow children to die over fay money? I'ts a not meaning it's supposed to represent gold and actual wealth. But you don't know if it's real or if the ink is still wet.

        Get real and look ahead instead of listening to fools in power now that don't know and if they do they will make sure you don't.

        Future feathers are the key…

      • Trump is not a king, monarch, or dictator. He is a government official who is answerable to the people and to the laws of the U.S. He swore to uphold the Constitution and then immediately and continuously refused to uphold his oath or the Constitution.

        No government official or anyone else in this country is above the law.

        Oath of office of the President of the United States
        “The oath of office of the President of the United States is the oath or affirmation that the President of the United States takes after assuming the presidency but before carrying out any duties of the office. The wording of the oath is specified in Article II, Section One, Clause 8, of the United States Constitution.
        “This clause is one of two oath or affirmation clauses, but it alone actually specifies the words that must be spoken. The other, Article VI, Clause 3, simply requires the persons specified therein to "be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution." The presidential oath, on the other hand, requires much more than this general oath of allegiance and fidelity. This clause enjoins the new president to swear or affirm that he "will to the best of his ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."[1]…”

        • "Hey, hey, Mr. Chimp.

          How many kids did you kill today?"

          Trump's environmental and economic policies and torture policies and all his other policies are killing many people. The U.S. stands for the freedom, dignity, and sacredness of all life. Trump abdicated his oath to the Constitution immediately and is no longer a legitimate government official. All criminals deserve jail sentences.

          It is true that all he does is SIT. He is getting fatter and fatter. He is also obviously not above the laws of nature. With his unhealthy and sperging temper, he is a coronary waiting to happen. That's why he can't select a legitimate White House physician.

          All his lies are the opposite of the truth.

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            its against the law to kill people but Trump can do it. You see, there is a stark difference between the belief in common memes; like 'nobody is above the law', 'the president must follow the constitution', 'the office of presidency is answerable to the people' etc, …a stark difference to the reality, which is that the big powers, bankers and corporations, have the influence to override ethics, laws, the public and everything else, including the president.

            The presidents have always done what the corporatists and bankers…we should add Saudis and Israelis… want them to do, whether it was Obama or Trump, Bush or Clinton. The public doesnt want the FDA to answer only to big pharma, the USDA to answer only to big agribiz, the EPA to only answer to big mining and oil, the president to only answer to the military industrial complex….

            neither the president nor government is answering to the wishes of the people, other than how the people are indoctrinated. I mean the people wouldnt want continual war if they knew that was the condition and that it was there to enrich the rich.

            The public still believes we are spreading democracy, bringing peace and stability. Look at razzz,…sorry razzz, but you just said Trump sold Saudi Arabia billions of dollars of killing machines in order to stabilize the middle east, with Iran being the evil card. Id like to say this but I have to count to three…1,2,3,…thats just stupid

            So in conclusion, question your…

      • HD, thank you for making fun of a cancer survivor. Not only are you against the truth, you are against all women. Unfortunately for you the cancer rate for men is higher than that for women.

        Did you know that women who don't have artificial breast implants after cancer surgery survive much longer than those who do?

        I've already survived 29 years after stage 4 cancer. So, yes, I embraced life over breasts. Women are more than sex objects. All people are loved by God. God doesn't just save sex objects. There is no marriage and no physical bodies after death.

        Supporting a president who is destroying God's earth and God's children is dementia.

        • To be perfectly clear, I don't have small breasts as HD accused me of. I have no breasts at all. That is why I never got married again and why I avoid all laisons. I don't want some fat, pig making fun of me.

          Most of the time I don't wear a bra because it cuts down the necessary circulation to stay alive. For over 25 years I couldn't wear a normal bra because the scar tissue was just too painful and itchy. Add to that that way too many lymph nodes were removed which also cuts down circulation. Not only that, but I'm missing muscles on my chest wall. Welcome to the destroyed world that HD claims needs no saving.

          I was near a nuclear meltdown in 1959 in Santa Susana which was 400 times worse than TMI. Anyone who thinks that isn't in their immediate future or the immediate future of a loved one is wearing blinders. Yes, other members of my family have also been struck down by nuclear radiation. So I mourn for their suffering and death also.

          I read an article that a doctor stated that Melania's extended stay in the hospital for kidney surgery is not insignificant.

          There but for the grace of God go I.

  • danger kitty danger kitty

    HD, you are the epitome of sleaze.
    Couple of days ago, you try to make out that Deadboy is a pedophile.
    Using a very slim pretext, you had to stretch really hard to make that false connection. That's the way you roll HD, you can't beat anybody in a logical debate, so you resort to sleaze. You could have done it to anyone of us, but the real truth is, anytime children are mentioned, you are so quick to state that you love children and add in parentheses –>not in a sexual way. Methinks thou dost protest too much.
    Do I really need to contact my girls on the East Coast and ask them to take a look at YOU, HD?
    Maybe you will get that knock at the door very early in the morning, HD
    Consider this a brick to the head, sleaze-boy.

  • Lead poisoning?

    For real and true??

    It sure ain't the solution son…

    I'll turn you over to a hippie that may actually know…

    Ya may wanna pay attention…

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    "Update 7:16 a.m. EDT May 14: The Kilauea volcano has now spawned 18 fissures, the latest opening Sunday evening,"

  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    failure of capitalism….now here are two guys, I think its fair to call them conservative, or at least previously right wing or something…debating why there is a failure of capitalism. You would think razzz and stock would be interested, because…I assume…these are their kind of guys.

    The video is not as long as it appears, because it repeats, so its about an hour long. My short synopsis is that Paul Roberts seems to argue that capitalism failed because private interests, i.e. bankers and corporatists control the government which then deregulated capitalism, allowing among other things the outsourcing and offshoring of the U.S. manufacturing base while destroying the wealth and mobility of the middle class, and Molyneux seems to argue that it is over reach of the government that hampers a true free market competition…although he didnt speak as much so its hard to conclude what his belief here is. They do seem to agree that the U.S. is royally screwed and that the government was at least instrumental in it


  • slandermen Deadboy

    I have an interesting question for anti-nukists (not just). While the american military (or any, really) is involved with drug cartels, destabilizing countries, etc, but mainly, for the anti-nukists, if they use DU, are you enough of an anti-nukist to abandon your support?

    • slandermen Deadboy

      Yes, inevitably, the question of "But what does support mean?!?!?!" left you crippled. Without government aids.

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        Deadboy…I dont follow. DO you mean would capitalists forego imperialist control of foreign markets and resources to support a no DU policy?

        • slandermen Deadboy

          Now I'm confused, because I don't know what capitalist means in a general sense. I mean, sure, most countries have capitalist societies. But still…

          • slandermen Deadboy

            To be a capitalist, I need capital, right? What is capital? Are these constructs in institutions, or institutions in constructs? What constitutes capital? How do I gain capital? Where is capital that needs to be transferred so that I can have more capital?

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              capitalism is a misnomer. Pooling resources is capital. The sun is the major source of capital. Gathering food is gathering capital for future sustenance. Gathering wood is capital to build a house. A tribe building a bridge is work capital.

              economic capitalism is different. It is a set of beliefs that selfish exploitation and greedy sequestering of knowledge and resources, to be sold in a nominally free market at jacked up prices for profit and nothing but profit is an ideal economic system. It seems to me based a lot on the concept of social Darwinism…essentially that a dog eat dog world produces the finest individuals via natural selection. Its a simplistic, usually subconscious belief that is not correct, as can be seen from the greedy murderous bastards that practice it

              • slandermen Deadboy

                Henry Kissinger looks like a fine specimen, currently. My trophy cabinet has a bunch of unused space. As a pun, you get a mug with a mugshot of him on it. You know, as a lasting reminder of his legacy.

                • slandermen Deadboy

                  We'll soon have an auction of it, as a bonus, from me to you, personally, special limited time offering.

                  You get a ghost-written autobiography and possibly some stock with this brand new investment opportunity, depending on what sort of contract you're willing to sign.

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    I wonder if theres a market for Kissinger scalp napkins?

                    • slandermen Deadboy

                      Well, if you garner enough public sentiment after analyzing and influencing social mentality. Of course yes. It make them everyone I while to figure out they're buying the same fake shit, but…

                      You know how museums don't really have dinosaur bones? Hehehe…

                    • slandermen Deadboy

                      I went full dyslexic there. Not for the sake of convoluting bullshit, of course.

              • slandermen Deadboy

                "The sun is the major source of capital."

                AmunRacist. GTFO.

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  the sun, as yet its a free, untaxed commons, that, along with the heavier elements created in super novas, is the source of all capital exploited by greedy selfish capitalist psychopaths

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                A large and powerfully built chief led the bunch on a coal-black racing pony. Leaning forward upon his mane, his heels nervously working in the animal's side, with six-shooter poised in the air, he seemed the incarnation of savage, brutal joy.

                His face was smeared with black war-paint, which gave his features a satanic look, a full-length headdress or war bonnet of eagle's feathers, spreading out as he rode and descending from his forehead, overhead and back, to his pony's tail, almost swept the ground. Large brass hoops were in his ears. He was naked to the waist, wearing simply leggings, moccasins and a breechclout. A necklace of bears' claws hung about his neck. Bells jangled as he rode at headlong speed, followed by the leading warriors, all eager to outstrip him in the race. It was Quanah, the principal war chief of the Quahada Comanche. He takes aim at full gallop and blows the brains out of a sergeant. Quanahs white mother, Cynthia Ann, a fully integrated Comanche, abducted when she was young, was recaptured by the whites but never adapted, losing her daughter Prairie Flower and then starving herself

                Later Quanah became a wealthy business man, and a friend of Teddy Roosevelt and rode in his inaugural parade

                • slandermen Deadboy

                  What a fool, he advertized his riches AND mentioned associates.

                  • slandermen Deadboy

                    Anyone well versed in superior capitalism, frand, money laundering and general pimping knows you have to delegate most of the work. It helps if you then associate with entirely opposing ideals.

                    • slandermen Deadboy

                      Sorry, didn't mean to type frand. That'd be programming math.

                      What I meant waa:

                    • slandermen Deadboy

                      Strangely, if you're also good at codebreaking (and maybe basic algebra), the only difference of letters in fraud and FRAND is U and N.

                    • slandermen Deadboy

                      Oh I lied, there were 3 or more "fractions".

                      And the difference between rand and frand or fraud? F…


                    • slandermen Deadboy

                      Do you have pain issues? Let your general pimp speak to about which drugs you need and maybe kinda force you to go fight for those, and pay for it.

                      It's a purple pill, it convinces everyone.

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            mankind is a capitalist SOB at heart. Take for example the Comanche indians who had a nice little business kidnapping, torturing and selling back whites and sometimes other indians. They sometimes would raise the children as their own, who after about six months preferred the brutal warpath life of the Comanche to the stultifying life of civilized whites. The white kids would quickly learn how to fight and the indians reaped a nice reward on their investment with more horse thievery and plundering. Both indians and whites enjoyed cutting the scalps off, which the whites used in financial interactions. Not sure what the indians used them for other than trophies. Herodotus wrote in 440 B.C. that the Scythian soldiers scalped their dead enemies, softened them, and used them as napkins.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      or how about this; should Israel, or its extension, the U.S. bomb nuclear installations thus releasing radioactivity with the stated purpose of protecting the world against aggression and nuclear fallout?

      Operation Opera / Babylonwas a surprise Israeli air strike carried out on 7 June 1981, which destroyed an Iraqi nuclear reactor under construction The operation came after Iran's unsuccessful Operation Scorch Sword operation had caused minor damage to the same nuclear facility the previous year, the damage having been subsequently repaired by French technicians.

      Operation Outside the Box[ was an Israeli airstrike on a suspected nuclear reactorin the Deir ez-Zor region of Syria, The Israeli and U.S. governments did not announce the secret raids for seven months

      Stuxnet is a malicious computer worm, first uncovered in 2010 by Kaspersky Lab. Thought to have been in development since at least 2005, Stuxnet targets SCADA systems and was responsible for causing substantial damage to Iran's nuclear program. Although neither country has openly admitted responsibility, the worm is believed to be a jointly built American/Israeli cyberweapon.

      Israel isnt the only one…
      Operation Scorch Sword was a surprise airstrike carried out by Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF) on 30 September 1980, that damaged an almost-complete nuclear reactor 17 km south-east of Baghdad, Iraq.

  • Here's truth, like it or not…


    And ya can't travel back in time because ya just can't go somewhere that doesn't exist…

  • slandermen Deadboy

    Sure, I happen to occasionally have outbursts of fascism at surprisingly conveniently opportunistic times of exploitation, but I'm pretty sure noone can call me a fascist.

  • slandermen Deadboy

    26 minutes until it starts!

  • slandermen Deadboy

    I made a minor booboo for the last 300 years or so, while exploiting resources, abusing people, deceiving and such, because of strong dislike of other people not kneeling in my presence or yielding to my most ridiculous demands, no matter how iniquitous or illogical.

    I may have been involved with intentionally engineered genocides totaling about, I dunno, 2-3 billion people? I'm not gonna mention the animals though. Very influential consensual independent studies which I graciously contribute to. Especially those directly involved with some of my more lucrative profiteering schemes suggest that number is likely hugely inflated, vague and could be accounted for by confusion in moth populations causing a significant increase in cotton demand.

    But I digress. I understand the situation is bad, I would like to make everything great again. So I was saying, remember those guys that I strongly disliked and genocided? Those guys don't like me now, even worse, they hate me. That's just going to far, sure, I killed their familes, raped their wives, but accusing me of hate? Ridiculous!

    That's why I urge all reasonable freedom-loving patriots to support me in delivering righteous vengeance.

  • slandermen Deadboy

    Interesting EQ patterns on the american west coast the last month or two. More Inland activity seems to be increased.

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    "BOMBSHELL: Corrupt CDC diverted $3 million in taxpayer money to radical left-wing causes having NOTHING to do with science"

  • Jebus Jebus

    Trump Kills NASA Carbon Monitoring Program as CO2 Levels Soar Past 'Troubling' 410 ppm Threshold 5/14

    As the Trump administration charges forward with its war on science by canceling a "crucial" carbon monitoring system at NASA, scientists and climate experts are sounding alarms over atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide (CO2) that just surpassed a "troubling" threshold for the first time in human history.

    "The reading from the Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii finds that concentrations of the climate-warming gas averaged above 410 parts per million [ppm] throughout April," Chris Mooney wrote for the Washington Post. "The first time readings crossed 410 at all occurred on April 18, 2017, or just about a year ago."

  • Jebus Jebus

    White House, EPA headed off chemical pollution study 5/14

    The intervention by Scott Pruitt’s aides came after one White House official warned the findings would cause a ‘public relations nightmare.'

    The intervention early this year — not previously disclosed — came as HHS' Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry was preparing to publish its assessment of a class of toxic chemicals that has contaminated water supplies near military bases, chemical plants and other sites from New York to Michigan to West Virginia.

    The study would show that the chemicals endanger human health at a far lower level than EPA has previously called safe, according to the emails.

  • slandermen Deadboy

    I was thinking (yeah I know, I'll probably be taxed for that) about what sort of people would make me hate not only the people they subject , but people neither they or I know anything about. And I wondered, what's the sort of shit they'd say?

    It occurred to me, those would be be assholes.

  • razzz razzz

    From a tax and spend prospective, Amazon states the problem correctly: The city does not have a revenue problem — it has a spending efficiency problem.

    'Amazon reacts to Seattle head tax and ‘hostile’ rhetoric'

    "…City of Seattle revenues have grown dramatically from $2.8 billion in 2010 to $4.2 billion in 2017, and they will be even higher in 2018. This revenue increase far outpaces the Seattle population increase over the same time period. The city does not have a revenue problem — it has a spending efficiency problem. We are highly uncertain whether the city council’s anti-business positions or its spending inefficiency will change for the better…"

  • razzz razzz

    'The Complexity & Fractal Nature of Nature'

    "…The Precession of the Equinox really works out to be 25,800 years, which is three time 8.6. This frequency comes from something and that is most likely nature. I would bet that instead of a 405,000-year cycle, it is probably 430,000 years. The cycle of the energy output of the Sun has been estimated from ice core samples to be 300 years. That really works out to be 309.6 years.

    They too confirmed that the flipping of the poles takes place on a cycle between 200,000 and 300,000. That was determined from drilling core sample into rock. The data I was provided for the Mayan Report was from the same seabed. That also came up with a little more accurate number of 720,000 years for what appears to be major reversals. There is most likely a build up in intensity that will follow half and quarter cycle intervals. That means there should be some minor shift at the 360,000 and 180,000 intervals.

    How nature works is extremely complex. There are people who think it can be reduced to human activity. We are not even as significant as a fly on the rear-end of an elephant."

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